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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: drisser on 03 March 2015, 13:14
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I had a Scirocco demo car many years ago and really liked it but would like to hear from anyone who has run both a Scirocco and a Golf GTi / GTD back to back or owned both. Would be very interested to know the day to day ups and downs - Obviously practicality is one, but I do like the seats in the Scirocco and the glass roof.
As my quest goes on to find a " daily driver" that doesnt bore me to tears without spending a fortune, the Scirocco has also now popped onto my radar given nearly new ones seem to be at dealers everywhere at huge discount compared to new - am seeing GT spec 13 plate cars with 10k miles on for around £17k which seems like a bargain.. I guess timing it sits between the Mk6 and 7 golf so has some of the slightly newer features..
In particular I would love to know if anyone ran a 140 TDI with DSG compared to say a Golf GT diesel or GTD.
thanks
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I had a 150 tdi from the dealer as a courtesy car, nice car but its very mk6 inside, don't expect any mk7 features. Also, the MAIN reason i wouldn't ever get one is that its not mqb, so its a lot heavier than the golf equivalent.
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Something to bare in mind as well is that the Scirocco is now around 8 years old and although it's had a slight facelift, it's sitting on an 8 year old chassis and using 8 year old suspension tech, etc. Whereas the MK7 golf is far more advanced and I'm sure if you get a chance to drive both, you'll feel it.
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The GTD/GTi are on the new MQB as Graham states and that with the new tech takes the MK7 too far beyond the Scirocco for there really to be a choice.
Did have a cursory look at the Scirocco before settling for the GTD and was far too compromised on space for me personally as my 5 door GTD choice confirms, and as Graham stated the interior looks a bit dated when compare to MK7 GTD/GTi
Also, as strange as this sounds given its unique styling, its starting to look dated on the roads when see one (not seen the facelifted version) and that maybe just me but hardly give Scirocco a glance if see one.
However if you single or as a couple then think Scirocco fits that use well and its hardly going to be rubbish its still a lovely car but as the question was GTD/GTi Vs Scirroco then personally think its a no contest until VW truly bring out a next generation of Scirocco maybe.
PS: Friend used to have the original Scirocco Storm and was genuine car envy for me at the time.
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R-line and above get a new fancy rear bumper which i like, plus the fancy gauges but that is the only things going for them tbh
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The Scirocco chassis has its routes back to 2003
Having had a mk5 and scirocco at the same time, mk6 and mk7 the difference really is the mqb
I thought the Rocco was a bit mk5.5 in terms of evolution and sort of mk6.5 these days
I always thought the Mk5 and Mk6 were better cars
Mk4 Rocco is an interesting prospect though
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Agree with much of what is said here. Owned three Sciroccos from their launch date until November last year. Lovely cars, for their time, nice looking, decent performance. However, having owned the MK7 GTI since November, I can honestly say I don't miss the Scirocco as much as I thought I would. The standard spec, pre-facelift on the Rocco was pretty good, but as is said in other posts, it's an older technology inside and out, interior is dated (not keen on the new gauges either), the ride (whilst still good) doesn't really compare and in terms of practicality it's beaten by the GTI for the same performance. A MK4 around 2017 is might be an interesting proposition though ;)
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5 seats in the GTI/D compared to 4 in the Scirocco also rear visibility is poor in the Scirocco.
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My husband has a scirocco GTS. Whilst I enjoy driving it, as stated in previous posts my gti feels much more planted with the MQB platform. The ROC still turns heads though.
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A 140TDI GT and then a 170TDI GT Scirocco prior to my GTD. I have a lot of love for my 170TDI, it felt faster than the GTD even though it isn't. The MK7 is much more refined, but that blunts the feeling of performance somewhat.
My Scirocco was more of a fun drive, but the standard equipment on the MK7 is a huge step up. The Scirocco is a bit old hat now, not so much that it looks dated, but that there are so many impersonators on the road. It was a real head turner in 2008/2009, but isn't now.
I went Scirocco from a MK5 Golf because I strongly disliked the MK6 styling - like someone had given the Golf a Japanese "smiley" makeover (the MK5 GT Sport and GTI looked so much more aggressive).
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I had a scirocco R when they first came out, it was nice but the visibility is not very good at all, i would get a Golf, in fact i did :cool:
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If you don't need heaps of family space then a Scirocco makes a good case for itself still.
A good friend of mine is the branch manager at a leasing company and they had, as pool cars, two mk7 GTIs (manual), one manual GTD and a DSG GTD plus a pair of Sciroccos up until very recently. I think one of each remains with them and I've spent a bit of time in each.
The Sciroccos are 150 TDI's and feel a bit sluggish but aside from that are still huge fun to drive and although the chassis isn't as accomplished as the MQB cars they're by no means bad cars now and drive really well at normal road speeds. They feel more lively to drive and where as nobody gives a Golf a second glance by and large you do get lots of attention in the Scirocco, all of it friendly and most of it from women so I guess its image is a bit like that of a MINI.
The Golf is so good it's boring, but the Scirocco isn't quite as good and seems to have a bit more character.
Then again I drive a Golf GTI and love it so I'm not sure what that says about me?
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But if its a choice between the two and they were the same money then you go for the new gen tech.
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But if its a choice between the two and they were the same money then you go for the new gen tech.
Hence why 99% of us are on this forum I guess
And that's the point isn't it, if the Scirocco was a bargain then it's worth snapping up but at the same money as a Golf...
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I think its ridiculous of vw tbh, the only people who should be buying rocs right now are those who live in a cave with no internet connection imo
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I think its ridiculous of vw tbh, the only people who should be buying rocs right now are those who live in a cave with no internet connection imo
That did make me smile :grin:
Issue is where the Rocco is on the development programme, seems to be 5 years along the platform, TT always comes out after around 2 and Beetle is the last
I actually think because its not so good its fun does not really cut it for me on the Roc, have to admit this is the case on the Polo where you can have giggles but in a car that £8k-£10K cheaper
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Thanks Guys, interesting views. The main appeal was the price, clearly the model is on the way out and nearly new models at well under £20k look quite good value - not so much compared to the Mk7 GTi but compared to other marques.
The issue for me is I have a 330ci as a weekend car, and its a 2 door and my gf has an Audi A1 3 door, so it makes little sense to get another 3 door car, wheareas I can make ( aka justify to the Mrs) something like a golf because it would be a long term keeper an going for a 5 door would future proof it a bit... I do remember when I first drove the Mk7 GTi I loved the " just get in and drive quickly" feeling about it - some might say boring but as an everyday car I keep coming back to it. It also helps that mainstream Golfs are not cheap so by the time I spec up a Tdi GT or something, its only about 3-4k cheaper than a GTi.
I noticed Clarkson made reference to how good the Golf Gti is in the Sunday Times again this week actually. Whenever I convinvce myself I dont need to get one, i see either a rave review or someone here posts a pic of theirs !!
My locaal dealer has guaranteed me a 10% discount + deposit contribution if I order, so its going to take a lot of willpower to resist plodding in there soon..
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We moved from a 2.0 TSI Scirocco to a MK7 Golf GTI......
Plus points
Ride quality and handling are in a differant league in the Golf compaired to the Scirocco
Build quality on our Golf has proven better (although other's may disagree)
Better tech and system intergration on the MK7
Great standard spec
Got rid of the framelsss windows....they are a pain in the arse when the weather is cold
Minus poit
My opinion is the Golf doesnt look as good
Fuel economy doesnt seem as good it the Golf (about 4-5mpg less) could need more miles to improve
Do see more GTI's around than I did the Scirocco
The Dynaudio in the Scorocco was better than the MK7 Dynaudio
The "city brake" system sometimes seems to complain unnecessarily - although I may thank it one day!!
Overall im happy with the swap to the GTI.....the better ride and handling really does make up for any negative points.
Ken
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The issue for me is I have a 330ci as a weekend car, and its a 2 door and my gf has an Audi A1 3 door, so it makes little sense to get another 3 door car, wheareas I can make ( aka justify to the Mrs) something like a golf because it would be a long term keeper an going for a 5 door would future proof it a bit...
You've got a "gf" and a "Mrs"? No wonder the suave debonair Scirocco is calling your name, you old rogue you! :laugh:
Seriously, if you asked on the Scirocco forums they'd have a bit of a different opinion I'd guess (apart from wigit!) and it was fairly traditional for the Scirocco in the olden days to run with the previous generation running gear and this doesn't mean it's a bad car, just it's not had the same level of investment as VW's fave cash cow the Golf.
Most of us are on this forum quite like our cars (understatement) and we've owned all sorts of things between us and we look at different cars all the time. However the common denominator we keep coming back to is the GTI as it's just so outstandingly balanced and hence the reason we own them.
Throw it into a corner and there is just NO understeer, same for the GTD, which is the standout feature of the MQB. It's a bit spooky at first. It drags you round rather than wanting to plough straight on.
All cars have their good points and many have plus points that the GTI/D doesn't have but the GTI/D has that blend where it's just about right.
Clarkson has always been a bit of a GTI fan but when you bear in mind the things he gets to drive every day the fact he still drops in the GTI name quite regularly must mean VW have done something very right (££££ in his back pocket the cynical will say!) for a complete speed freak like him to remember it amongst some of the things he climbs in and out of daily (and I'm not referring to his 'assistants').
Thanks to Leasegate you can pick GTI's up new at quite healthy prices now and despite the apparent 70 - 80 PS difference between a GTI and an R you might be a bit surprised how a GTI can over perform in that company unless you're flat out drag racing on a track, it ain't THAT far behind!
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In particular I would love to know if anyone ran a 140 TDI with DSG compared to say a Golf GT diesel or GTD.
One other thing we have forgotten, this is no comparison to mk7 GTI and a 15 plate GTI engined roc. This is 13 plate Golf (150 or 184) against a 140...
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Oops, i mentioned the Mrs and GF in the same sentence ! Hope she doesnt lurk on the forum ! :lipsrsealed:
Agree with the points that you make though, you seem to end up exploring all the alternatives and in the end always come back to a golf ! There was a bit in a recent autocar about this, I think it was Goodwin said he was kicking himself for never having owned a Golf, having had one to run about in (TDi 150 I think) he said it was remarkable in the way it did everything brilliantly and that VW's best people work on the Golf next gen because its the one product they absolutely have to get right..
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I had a Mk7 GTI on test for a weekend and did 300 miles in it and loved it, this was not even a PP one just was so much fun and inspired confidence
My R decision was i like to tinker and for that i felt 4wd, i also have the olop
For me a GTI/GTD is such a great all rounder and if the R went for something less practical I could see one of these in its place
I wound a few people up on the Rocco forums about the mqb platform in recent weeks especially in respect to the Rocco R
People I know say whey do i never drive 3 Series or Mercs etc and oddly never appealed for day to day as the Golf does so much so well