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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Golf mk7 GTD/TDI => Topic started by: GTDING on 26 February 2017, 18:16
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Okay, so I've been road testing some of the GTD's closest rivals. I have tried a new Ford Focus ST petrol (Ford quote 250bhp)and a new Focus ST diesel(180bhp quoted).Now the GTD is quoted at 181bhp by our leaders (I mean VW) and without a hint of biased, I can report that the GTD felt a lot more powerful than the ST diesel!
TBH I reeeeally liked how both versions of the Focus ST drove, but the diesel ST felt it had around 20bhp less than the GTD. The petrol version of the ST, felt like it had about the same power as the GTD. I drove all three (GTD being mine) back to back, so had a very good memory of all three cars.
I have heard that VW do under rate their power figures, or maybe Ford is over rating..
How about that!?
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'Serect'?
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Secret me thinks..?
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I meant that perhaps VW under rate their powwwer figures, secrectly..
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I meant that perhaps VW under rate their powwwer figures, secrectly..
I think its a referance to your mispelling in the title
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oops! :grin:
That's the secret revealed, I can't spell! :wink:
Anyhoo, anyone know about VW's powwwer figures being conservative?
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oops! :grin:
That's the secret revealed, I can't spell! :wink:
Anyhoo, anyone know about VW's powwwer figures being conservative?
Most are within a couple of BHP from the factory. For me its how and where the power is developed. Don't forget it's all about 'average' power throughout the rev range
EVO magazine did a drag race between the Golf R and the Focus RS.....the Focus was quicker off the line but the R reeled it in through the midrange and by the end there was only 2 tenths in it
http://www.evo.co.uk/drag-battles/18025/ford-focus-rs-vs-volkswagen-golf-r-which-is-fastest
Remember the Focus has another 45bhp or so MORE than the Golf
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oops! :grin:
That's the secret revealed, I can't spell! :wink:
Anyhoo, anyone know about VW's powwwer figures being conservative?
Most are within a couple of BHP from the factory. For me its how and where the power is developed. Don't forget it's all about 'average' power throughout the rev range
EVO magazine did a drag race between the Golf R and the Focus RS.....the Focus was quicker off the line but the R reeled it in through the midrange and by the end there was only 2 tenths in it
http://www.evo.co.uk/drag-battles/18025/ford-focus-rs-vs-volkswagen-golf-r-which-is-fastest
Remember the Focus has another 45bhp or so MORE than the Golf
Thanks, I enjoyed the vid! I think I would loose sleep choosing between those two (R & RS). Both look great and go like poo off a shovel. Yes, the Golf has the torque right where you need it, low down in the rev range. It guess the Focus has it abit higher? Having said that, I have seen videos and read that VW do quote less than you get on the power front..
On that note, why did we all choose the performance Golf's over the Focus ST's? For me, it was safety first, then quality of materials, then ease of drivability, then power delivery, then my wife chose it (actually put that first :smiley:). Looks wise, Golf and Focus ST's are both nice looking, in their own ways I think.
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On that note, why did we all choose the performance Golf's over the Focus ST's? For me, it was safety first, then quality of materials, then ease of drivability, then power delivery, then my wife chose it (actually put that first :smiley:). Looks wise, Golf and Focus ST's are both nice looking, in their own ways I think.
For me the thing which stops me having (another) Ford is the utterly cheap and nasty interior.
Their infotainment system is also like something from the 1990's too and looks like some sort of ghetto blaster from Dixons.
All of this is a shame, because I am sure that as a car, the Focus is pretty good. I know in group tests it often is said to be better than a Golf - but then again the latest Astra incarnation is supposed to be better than both...
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I looked at both the GTD and the ST3D and for me the ST was slower and the torque was horrible, it came in with a bang and then nothing. The torque steer had the car all over the place especially on road crowns. The interior of the ST felt very cheap except for the seats which were very nice and having electric seats was a plus. However I have heard that the padding in the seats softens up after a while and you can feel the metal through it.
Overall there was no compition because the GTD was so refined.
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I know someone who is a ford guy through and through and traded his st in for a r the other week.
His words is the build quality is leaps ahead
The drive is leaps ahead
The handling is leaps ahead
Only thing he likes more about the st is it takes a bit more driving due to torque stear. But he wont have another ford now. Not even the rs could sway him
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My first Golf was the MK6 GTD and I got that because I've always wanted one but never been able to start to afford one until the start of 2012.
Before this I was in a Suzuki swift.
Getting the MK7 GTD for me was a natural progression as I've loved my MK6 so I didn't consider anything else but a MK7.
The 7 I find is a lot more refined to that of my 6.
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I also looked last year (before I bought my second GTD) at the Ford ST line. Like everyone says, cracking spec, and very price competitive, especially considering the huge discounts I was offered - a fully specced ST3 (petrol) came in at over £5.5k less than the similarly specced GTI I was looking at, at the time (manual vs manual for a price comparison).
For me it was a couple of things that put me off. 1) Resale value - even with the bigger discounts offered the 3 year residuals were much worse than a Golf b) no Auto box. I know for some people that wouldn't put them off, but I love the DSG's on my last 3 VW's and wouldn't go back to a manual. I know the diesel ST now has an auto version, but not the petrol. and lastly c), Whilst I do think the general styling of the Focus is spot on (especially the Aston Martin-esk front and grill, but I've never liked the rear end of the focus which I just find to fussy with it's high mounted rear lights which heavily scallop in the rear wings. It's a personal thing but I think the Focus is better looking from the front than a Golf, but in all other angles (profile and rear), the Golf is much better.
Didn't find the interior or infotainment systems that much worse in design and build to the Golf to be honest, but I think I do overall prefer the understated looks internally of the performance Golf's over the performance Focus's. No doubt it is a very good car though. VW need to up their game to stay ahead of the pack
Can't say I've ever considered the new Astra, but it is quite a pretty looking car with good spec, but no idea what's it's like to site in or own though ?
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The ST that I drove had around 4k on it and it rattled like someone put loose change everywhere. I asked the sales guy and he said that every car make is like that :rolleyes: I was going to take him for a spin in my cc with nearly 100k on the clock and no rattles but thought what's the point.
In regards to the infotainment system the st the new 3rd gen one is supposed to be much better.
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It's no secret that the GTD is better than the STD then!? :wink: Thanks for all your comments, I love reading about all the reasons why we have a GTD/GTI.
Yes, the quality of materials in the GTD is akin to a mini Bentley. We waft, rather than cruise along the road, cushioned in a cabin of excellence! Then, there's the powwwer (or tooorque).
Plus no one ever has said a Focus is beautiful. I think the way the Golf, especially the GTD is quite frankly, beautifully put together. There is NO comparison with the STD when it comes to build quality and materials..
I rather like it. Boom! :grin:
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It's no secret that the GTD is better than the STD then!? :wink: Thanks for all your comments, I love reading about all the reasons why we have a GTD/GTI.
Yes, the quality of materials in the GTD is akin to a mini Bentley. We waft, rather than cruise along the road, cushioned in a cabin of excellence! Then, there's the powwwer (or tooorque).
Plus no one ever has said a Focus is beautiful. I think the way the Golf, especially the GTD is quite frankly, beautifully put together. There is NO comparison with the STD when it comes to build quality and materials..
I rather like it. Boom! :grin:
If I had to choose between the two in estate form I think the focus looks better but I'd still pick the golf.
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It's no secret that the GTD is better than the STD then!? :wink: Thanks for all your comments, I love reading about all the reasons why we have a GTD/GTI.
Yes, the quality of materials in the GTD is akin to a mini Bentley. We waft, rather than cruise along the road, cushioned in a cabin of excellence! Then, there's the powwwer (or tooorque).
Plus no one ever has said a Focus is beautiful. I think the way the Golf, especially the GTD is quite frankly, beautifully put together. There is NO comparison with the STD when it comes to build quality and materials..
I rather like it. Boom! :grin:
If I had to choose between the two in estate form I think the focus looks better but I'd still pick the golf.
I twas sat behind a newish,black Focus estate today. Not bad looking as you say, but I got the feeling he was gnawing on his dashboard at how he missed out on the QUALITY of the Golf!
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I also looked last year (before I bought my second GTD) at the Ford ST line. Like everyone says, cracking spec, and very price competitive, especially considering the huge discounts I was offered - a fully specced ST3 (petrol) came in at over £5.5k less than the similarly specced GTI I was looking at, at the time (manual vs manual for a price comparison).
For me it was a couple of things that put me off. 1) Resale value - even with the bigger discounts offered the 3 year residuals were much worse than a Golf b) no Auto box. I know for some people that wouldn't put them off, but I love the DSG's on my last 3 VW's and wouldn't go back to a manual. I know the diesel ST now has an auto version, but not the petrol. and lastly c), Whilst I do think the general styling of the Focus is spot on (especially the Aston Martin-esk front and grill, but I've never liked the rear end of the focus which I just find to fussy with it's high mounted rear lights which heavily scallop in the rear wings. It's a personal thing but I think the Focus is better looking from the front than a Golf, but in all other angles (profile and rear), the Golf is much better.
Didn't find the interior or infotainment systems that much worse in design and build to the Golf to be honest, but I think I do overall prefer the understated looks internally of the performance Golf's over the performance Focus's. No doubt it is a very good car though. VW need to up their game to stay ahead of the pack
Can't say I've ever considered the new Astra, but it is quite a pretty looking car with good spec, but no idea what's it's like to site in or own though ?
We had a brand new, Astra with 800 miles on the clock,for a few days whilst the GTD was in for repairs. Took it down to London to visit Grandma. She was impressed, I wasn't.
It was mega easy to drive, well put together, looked nice in White, but dull as dishwater! Interior was poo, plastic looked like it was the same as some of the cheap kids toys around now, thin wouldn't cover it! Seats gave us bad backs after 20 or so miles. Both of us had to be virtually removed from the car in a static state, after the 200 miles we travelled that day. :sad:
I admit it wasn't a performance version of the Astra, so shouldn't be compared to GTD, but if the performance version is interesting to drive, then Vauxhall must do some serious things to it! :shocked:
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Take the point about the Astra being a basic model so wouldn't compare with a performance version. I have had 1.6TDI Golf Match out on loan when the GTD was being serviced and it seemed worlds apart from the GTD. Horrible seats, horrible dash trim, poor suspension - certainly wouldn't tempt me into a Golf if I didn't already know how good a car the GTD is.
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I agree ^^^
I was actually about to write something similar.
The loaner Golf I had was terrible. Then again the same has been true of all of the other cars I've had over the years - my high spec one was always noticeably better than the basic one you get as a courtesy car. Funny that ;-)
At the moment there isn't a new VXR Astra. I'm sure when that arrives it will be a hoot.
I don't think Vauxhall/Opel ever have done a powerful oil burner in a sporty package though.