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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: 08micsta on 19 June 2007, 15:33
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This is pretty irrelevent to this forum but its something i have noticed.
I'm currently a grade 11 pupil at a prestigious (i say this with a deep frown on my face) :rolleyes: school in Cape Town. Over the years i have noticed changes. Some of these chnages i have faught against and others you cant really stop from happening.
I had a free period today :drool: (which never happens). And decided instead of doing work etc I would stare out the window of the third floor and looked at the cars the matrics were driving and found myself both shocked and surprised. Here is a short list of some of the cars I saw:
1. A Golf GTI (Its a new model with what looks like all the options)
2. Audi A4
3. Old Shape BMW 3 series
4. Renault Clio
5.Some random Fiat.
6. VW Golfs
I'm sorry. But as a 16 year old in todays society i feel this is crazy. What is going on in parents heads? A merc C class for a first car?
wow. Whats everyones opinions?
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Whats a matric?
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If you have eva seen that programme on mtv sweetsixteen. They get brand new bmws mercs job lot.
It really does my head in.
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A matric is a guy in his final year of high school. Not even in college yet!
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I saw a girl on sweet sixteen get a Merc SL500 as her first car (Yes, shes 16).
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Who cares?
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If I was 16 again and my folk's said "do you want a Vauxhall Corsa 1.0, or mk5 Golf GTi"?
Hmmm tough one that. I suppose just because someone's young, it doesn't mean they won't appriciate it.
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This cutie is only 17yo and drives a NHRA Top Fuel car! [Miss Courtney Force]
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/CourtneyForce.jpg)
But, yes, I do agree that many kids are spoilt by their parents and consequently they don't learn how to value things they have.
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Who cares?
:grin: bang on. what a sh!t post.
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Who cares?
:grin: bang on. what a sh!t post.
....Sounds like the comments one might expect from a spoilt kid.
In my opinion the posted thread is relevant in that it's mentioning types of GTI owners.
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I suppose just because someone's young, it doesn't mean they won't appriciate it.
I completely disagree with that !
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when i was 16 my dad got my a new mk5 fiesta, i appreciated it, and still have the car 6 years later!!!
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I think it's fair to say that there 'kids' who do appreciate gifts from their parents, even when the gift is an expensive car. But generally there's too many spoilt kids out there even without them being given expensive cars.
Yours sincerely,
Mr Angry of Mayfair
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Who cares?
:grin: bang on. what a sh!t post.
....Sounds like the comments one might expect from a spoilt kid.
In my opinion the posted thread is relevant in that it's mentioning types of GTI owners.
sh!t imo of course, if you were a parent with bags of money, you'd want the best for your kid and buy them a car. unfortunately the majority of younger people buy their own cars, or their parents save up and buy them something small and economical.
ie. post is sh!t.
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yeah..sharpie posted a pic of his golf with pink on it..he is like the don of sh!t posts..
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Dinx :kiss:
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But, yes, I do agree that many kids are spoilt by their parents and consequently they don't learn how to value things they have.
I agree Robin, I would have said they don't learn the value of money.
I NEVER got a car from my parents, I had to buy my own, I bought an old 1966 mini for £15 (I still have it) and spent my early and late teens learning to weld, paint, engine rebuild and restoring mainly by trial and error, this only happened when i had the money from part time work, birthday/chrismas gifts etc for the parts and tools. That way i learned how to save for something i really wanted and needed and how to go without other things, so that i would have something to show for my hard work at the end of the day. It showed me how not to waste money and to scrimp and save for the bigger picture. I think this tort me a VERY valuable lesson and its why im dept free today. This also kept my mates and I off the streets from maybe causing mischeif.
More and more i see the attitude that they must have it NOW. Rather than save a penny and the pounds will take care of themselfs. If there parents cannot give them it they often just take it. Its turned into a very consumer must have culture now.
Geoff.
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sh!t imo of course, if you were a parent with bags of money, you'd want the best for your kid and buy them a car. unfortunately the majority of younger people buy their own cars, or their parents save up and buy them something small and economical.
....That's where I disagree with you: The "best" for your kid (in my opinion) is to teach them how to earn and value what they receive and not to take things for granted and expect to be given things. It's the behaviour of 'expecting' things which makes someone 'spoilt'. However, someone who is already spoilt is highly unlikely to understand this. I speak as a parent and someone who is grateful for how my parents brought me up rather than for what things they bought me as gifts. I will probably buy my daughter driving lessons (for Christmas or birthday) and I may help her to buy a car when she's ready but although I could afford to buy her a new GTI, she has to learn for herself how to 'earn' one.
I was given a car about 4 years ago and I didn't appreciate it anything like as much as the cars I have paid for myself.
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I realise that yes times have changed since most people of the people on this forum have been to school and I know that in your times and generations. had you asked your parents for a car (Any car at that) they would have given you this look :shocked: . They would have probably told you to go buy your own car and to save up etc.
The point I was trying to make in this thread is that kids nowadays seem to just get get get. The guy who has the GTI at my school is not academic, he does no sport. HE hardly passes and yet he gets given a car like that.
I am 16 years old. My parents make me work for what I want. I wanted a cellphone. I had to get over 80% on my report. I wanted a camera and I had to get a good report and my dad looked at how I looked after my other stuff. Now had I got the phone, camera etc without working for it I would probably not respect it. Thats what i am trying to say is that they have these cars. In South Africa our cars are rather exspensive and these guys dont appreciate it. To sharpie- If this post is stupid then please stop reading and replying on it.
when i was 16 my dad got my a new mk5 fiesta, i appreciated it, and still have the car 6 years later!!!
Exactly. In SA that car cost a quarter of a GTI!!!! I have no problem with guys getting Ford Fiestas etc. its just that parents need to know when to stop. He gets a GTI for his 16th birthday. So tell me what is he going to get for his 21st? A audi RS4? A BMW M5?
I am not complaining so dont get that impression. I'm simply stating my opinion and to be honest I think its crazy for students who have no experiance in life. Dont know what its like to get there first pay cheque. And more get to drive cars that our parents should be driving
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I'm sorry. But as a 16 year old in todays society i feel this is crazy. What is going on in parents heads? A merc C class for a first car?
wow. Whats everyones opinions?
smacks of suppressed envy.
I don't give a sh!t about what anyone else drives. I am not impressed by others' wealth. And when I see someone flaunt it when it is obvious he/she did not amass it on his/her own - that's kindergarten to me
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Exactly. In SA that car cost a quarter of a GTI!!!! I have no problem with guys getting Ford Fiestas etc. its just that parents need to know when to stop. He gets a GTI for his 16th birthday. So tell me what is he going to get for his 21st? A audi RS4? A BMW M5?
I am not complaining so dont get that impression. I'm simply stating my opinion and to be honest I think its crazy for students who have no experiance in life. Dont know what its like to get there first pay cheque. And more get to drive cars that our parents should be driving
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If you got an M5 or RS4, you would not write that post. And don't tell me you would refuse the car if it were given to you by your wealthy parents, no one would! :wink:
Trust me, it is your subconsious supressed envy fcuking with you.
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I don't give a sh!t about what anyone else drives. I am not impressed by others' wealth. And when I see someone flaunt it when it is obvious he/she did not amass it on his/her own - that's kindergarten to me
....I think you're missing the point. This discussion isn't about 'how others see us' but about how a gift such as an expensive car might spoil a youngster. It's also a reflection on the values of society in recent years.
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If you got an M5 or RS4, you would not write that post. And don't tell me you would refuse the car if it were given to you by your wealthy parents, no one would! :wink:
Trust me, it is your subconsious supressed envy fcuking with you.
....Of course no-one would refuse the gift of a nice car. The point is that the parents giving it wouldn't be doing their kid any real favours - They might be just spoiling them or even buying it out of their own conscience about not giving enough attention to their kid. Also, just to impress their neighbours etc etc.
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....Of course no-one would refuse the gift of a nice car. The point is that the parents giving it wouldn't be doing their kid any real favours - They might be just spoiling them or even buying it out of their own conscience about not giving enough attention to their kid. Also, just to impress their neighbours etc etc.
Thank you! Somebody is getting the point I'm trying to make.
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....That's where I disagree with you: The "best" for your kid (in my opinion) is to teach them how to earn and value what they receive and not to take things for granted and expect to be given things. It's the behaviour of 'expecting' things which makes someone 'spoilt'. However, someone who is already spoilt is highly unlikely to understand this. I speak as a parent and someone who is grateful for how my parents brought me up rather than for what things they bought me as gifts.
I agree totally with you Robin,
When i think of my childhood did i have to do without things were friends got them or people at school had the latest in things? yes because my parents did not have loads of money. Did i find it hard at the time probably yes (infact i still remember one when i was about 12 about trainer makes) but it give me a great lesson in life that if i worked myself hard for something and saved the pennys i could have something too and i would value it so much more because of the hard work it was to get it. My parents had little money but my uncles and aunts on both sides of the family were well off there kids got everything they wanted or it seemed like it. They had labtops before i had even heard of them!. personal ornaisers etc etc etc.
Ilearned valuable lessons from all this though.
When i compare myself to them today 20+ years on i seem to be the one whos better off. If i compare myself to my cousin Neal as an example he has more bling a posher car (BMW), Even a better paid job! due to going to better schools he has the latest everything ipods etc, but he has a small house latest newish trendy one but large morgage, and is in dept for at the last count 25K trendy wardrope and spends lots of nights out in clubs with mates racking up more dept.
Were as myself i have a 3 bedroom detached self built house with decent gardens is paid for fully as is the cars the 7 car workshop i have and everything else so i have no dept. If i want something and it will take me 2 years to save for it i will do without other things then thats what i will do. I will not buy it on credit. ( i have a bad credit rating because of this lol)
Its funny but when i meet up with old school friends i find the ones that had all the in things are in massive dept as they still have to HAVE the in things, and often there parents are still bailing them out, there in dept as they don't know how to manage money and the value of it. The ones that were not so well off have done ok for themselfs.
The culture now is must have now and thats why theses so many programs out there like 'bank of mom and dad' and them dept programs. Parents don't teach there kids the value of money it may be a hard lesson when your a kid and teenager but it is the best lesson in life you will ever learn and the best i ever did.
As for a gift of a car, its funny when my dad was on about changing cars last year i offered to buy him one (mk5 GTI) he refused point blank, I guess the lessons he instilled in me were in him even more and he was too prowd to except a gift like this.
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If you got an M5 or RS4, you would not write that post. And don't tell me you would refuse the car if it were given to you by your wealthy parents, no one would! :wink:
Trust me, it is your subconsious supressed envy fcuking with you.
....Of course no-one would refuse the gift of a nice car. The point is that the parents giving it wouldn't be doing their kid any real favours - They might be just spoiling them or even buying it out of their own conscience about not giving enough attention to their kid. Also, just to impress their neighbours etc etc.
agreed.
But look at ManuGTI, he bought his first car with his own money, and then his dad gave him MK5 as well, and look how nice he turned out! :smiley:
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If you got an M5 or RS4, you would not write that post. And don't tell me you would refuse the car if it were given to you by your wealthy parents, no one would! :wink:
Trust me, it is your subconsious supressed envy fcuking with you.
....Of course no-one would refuse the gift of a nice car. The point is that the parents giving it wouldn't be doing their kid any real favours - They might be just spoiling them or even buying it out of their own conscience about not giving enough attention to their kid. Also, just to impress their neighbours etc etc.
still, I think there is supressed envy. Especially when kids are talking about these matters (I know you are not a kid, RR. well..maybe in your heart :wink:)
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(I know you are not a kid, RR. well..maybe in your heart :wink:)
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I don't mind growing old, just as long as I don't have to grow up!
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Is it envy i guess it is.
The guys with these cars want other kids to envy them. The kids without them will have one of 5 outlooks on those kids or its how i remember it when i was a kid. 1: spoilt showoff daddy has lots of money 2: Envy them for getting those cars. 3: think they should have them so we will pinch them or one similar, steal or deal drugs etc to get the money for one asap. 4: one day i will have one but i will be more prowd if i buy it myself with money i have earned in an honest manner. 5: there daddys prob in lots of dept to keep that idiot in toys (virtual dad anyone).
I think from the age of about 12 i swopped over to 4+5 rather than envy.
But still today at all ages you get people who fit in all those classes ones that want to show off mines faster than yours, Have the Latest things etc who want others to be envy and alot of people are.
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I'm sorry. But as a 16 year old in todays society i feel this is crazy. What is going on in parents heads? A merc C class for a first car?
wow. Whats everyones opinions?
smacks of suppressed envy.
I don't give a sh!t about what anyone else drives. I am not impressed by others' wealth. And when I see someone flaunt it when it is obvious he/she did not amass it on his/her own - that's kindergarten to me
amen brother.
if rich parents buy their kids a new car then what's the problem... just a pointless jealousy thread to be fair.
dinx - cheers love :laugh:
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I know a lad hes my age 21. For his first car at 18 he got a brand new mini one with it being de badged sports suspension etc etc.
I saw him again after i aint seen him for a while. And now daddy his geting him a 20 grand honda civic typre r gt ( not sure if there is a gt on the end but that what he says ). Best thing about it was he was not old enough to test drive it for him self.
And its gonna be 3 grand a year insurance.
Its sick money what some parents spend on cars for there sons etc.
But if you have the cash why not i say.
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And now daddy his geting him a 20 grand honda civic typre r gt
Poor lad... no GTI?? :wink:
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HA HA yes. Very poor lad.
Ok guys. Maybe I am a bit jelous cos I know that i wont get one of those cars. :drool: But it is still the whole idea of morals. You teach your child to just assume he is going to get everything they want and where are they going to end up? Offer me a nice Merc SL500 and i sure as hell would not mind or refuse. But chances are I wont appreciate the car.
So fine! I admit! I envy those buggers and yes, MANUGTI turned out good. But. He paid for his first car. If his dad wants to buy him the GTI as a present then i'm ok with that. But I just feel that parents who give there kids expensive cars for there first car is madness.
Ok rant over and now you all know that I am a spoilt brat and a shocking person. :smiley:
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HA HA yes. Very poor lad.
Ok guys. Maybe I am a bit jelous cos I know that i wont get one of those cars. :drool: But it is still the whole idea of morals. You teach your child to just assume he is going to get everything they want and where are they going to end up? Offer me a nice Merc SL500 and i sure as hell would not mind or refuse. But chances are I wont appreciate the car.
So fine! I admit! I envy those buggers and yes, MANUGTI turned out good. But. He paid for his first car. If his dad wants to buy him the GTI as a present then i'm ok with that. But I just feel that parents who give there kids expensive cars for there first car is madness.
Ok rant over and now you all know that I am a spoilt brat and a shocking person. :smiley:
shocking as hell! :wink:
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But if you have the cash why not i say.
....Some of you guys completely miss the point! It's not about how anyone spends their money - That's entirely up to them - But it's about how some (also read most) kids being given everything then expect everything to be given to them, become demanding, and consequently become spoilt brats. It doesn't matter if it's expensive cars or expensive trainers etc.
If you can't understand this....Well, I'll say no more because I'll be wasting my time.
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Yes i understand that giving them everything they want all the time is wrong dude. Just its my way of not geting bothered about it. If they have the cash why not.
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Yes i understand that giving them everything they want all the time is wrong dude. Just its my way of not geting bothered about it. If they have the cash why not.
....Agreed - Each to their own. No matter how wealthy you are there's someone wealthier, and no matter how poor you are there's someone poorer. I'm only bothered by it inasmuch as spoilt brats usually grow up into arsehole adults, but as long as I don't have to deal them it doesn't matter to me - It's their problem except that it doesn't add up to a very nice society/community.
I think I can say that although I have bought my 16yo daughter expensive presents sometimes she has never whiningly asked me for anything. I'm divorced but my daughter lives mostly with me. When I got back from GTI Inters I was surprised to be given this:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/FathersDay2.png)
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I am really happy that at least RR agrees with me. My brothers, Andy (5 years old) and James (8 years old). They both have a PSP and playstations and computers and in general are spoilt. i am spoilt. i have everything I want and more.
But what I am trying to say is that I worked for what I wanted. If I want a cellphone. I get high marks. I think its a fine deal. But when it comes to guys getting expensive cars that they dont care for nor have respect for that makes me angry. My parents may be traditional and yes, times have changed. But I thibk that parents seem to think that if they spoil their kids with exppensive cars and gadgest they will love them. Yes. Maybe they will love them, but not in the same way.
I think that RR's post and that letter from his daughter are a perfect example. Maybe if he spoilt the hell out of her... Would she have writtten that letter?" or would that letter have said something like....
Daddy.. Can I have a Merc SL500? If not I'm running away from home!
see my point? A bit harsh but ya.
Cheers all
The spoilt envious guy called michael
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But if you have the cash why not i say.
....Some of you guys completely miss the point! It's not about how anyone spends their money - That's entirely up to them - But it's about how some (also read most) kids being given everything then expect everything to be given to them, become demanding, and consequently become spoilt brats. It doesn't matter if it's expensive cars or expensive trainers etc.
If you can't understand this....Well, I'll say no more because I'll be wasting my time.
of course I understand! BUt so what? I don't give a rat's ass about these brats, unless they bother me personally.
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I am really happy that at least RR agrees with me. My brothers, Andy (5 years old) and James (8 years old). They both have a PSP and playstations and computers and in general are spoilt. i am spoilt. i have everything I want and more.
But what I am trying to say is that I worked for what I wanted. If I want a cellphone. I get high marks. I think its a fine deal.
And if you don't want a cellphone? :wink:
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And if you don't want a cellphone?
lol. Then I get bad marks and my dad takes it away from me :cry:
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Anyone else want to see Robins cake, :smiley: Or is it just me? :grin:
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It's just you.
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It's just you.
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