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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Golf mk3 how to guides + info => Topic started by: Wayne on 02 July 2009, 20:32
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Following on from many threads, I have been up to the loft today and found my Autocar road test year books, the figures make interesting reading, the figures that Autocar record are much more accurate than manufactures figures by the way.
Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 8V 1060 115 127 9.8 9.5 8 10.1 28.4
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
Golf VR6 1220 174 173 7.1 6.4 6.6 9.3 25.2
Hope this helps or is of interest.
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have to disagree with Overall mpg!
Had my car 6 years now and have never deleted the figures and my overall is 29.6mpg! :wink:
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Yeah I get much better MPG out of my 8v than the figures quoted there! :undecided:
Pete :smiley:
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Yes I know the on board computer shows better figures but have you ever worked it out, I did with my 8v and the computer was showing more.
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Yes I know the on board computer shows better figures but have you ever worked it out, I did with my 8v and the computer was showing more.
Don't trust the little computer but I wouldn't keep my 8v if it was giving figures like that! I normally get mid 30s. Trip computer says mid 40s! Agree with the rest though!
Pete :smiley:
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Yes I have done physical checks and in general the onboard figures stack up!
In that 6 years I have done a lot of hard driving, I regularly hit the limiter. Car has been on many RR's and down the strip at Santa Pod.
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Mpg is only relevant to the journey, and the roads, speed limits, fuel used, and the driver.
One owner to the next, cant be compared.
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The figures are all good and I presume all carried out in a similar way to one another.
Weight is an important factor in any acceleration and performance test.
As Ess Three said in one of the other many threads on this subject it is cheaper and easier to get your car to handle better to make it quicker than it is to just add HP to make it quicker.
I have a lightened 16v trackcar which handles well and stops even better, but I have been beaten on a trackday by a well sorted VR6, and had a Mk2 8v trackcar with a few engine mods show a similar performance to my 16v.
On the straight at Hullavington I can reach 100mph with my wife in the passenger seat, without her I can get up to 107mph. (She weighs a tad under 9 stone)
As far as fuel economy goes - who cares - but the computer usually shows about 20 mpg after a trackday which is foot to the floor in all gears.
Outright power counts but speed out of the corners counts for a lot more on track, and the power is only good if you can get it down.
The 8v, 16v, Vr6 debate is good but it all depends on what you want your car for, how you drive it, and how well the car is sorted handling and engine wise.
Lets face it you can buy a better car straight out of the box than any of the above three, but we all love our Golfs whatever the type. I bought mine because it was cheap to buy, got a good reliability, easy to work on, easy to drive, easy to modify, spares are cheap, and my wife and daughter find it easy to drive around the track.
If I wanted to boast that my car is faster than anyone elses on the road or the track I certainly wouldn't buy any of the above Golfs.
Whatever your reason for owning a Golf whether its to drive a car you've always wanted, or whats the best you can afford for the cash, to modify looks or performance wise, or to drive as fast as you can around a track then just enjoy it for what it is and let everyone else think what they like.
The best compliment I had was at a trackday at Hullavington when two Ferrari owners said to us "you two drive that little car like a couple of b*stards"
They didn't care what it was MK1, 2 or 3, 8v, 16v, or VR6, or that their car was better and more expensive, they just knew that we were glued to their bumper and were having a bloody good time.
Keep on enjoying your cars.
Paul
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^^^^ Well said :smiley:
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How can i take a 16v longer to get from 30 to 50 than from 30 to 70 :huh:
Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
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How can i take a 16v longer to get from 30 to 50 than from 30 to 70 :huh:
Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
I believe that they do 30 to 50 in a higher gear.
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Good info but im pretty sure the 8v torque figures are wrong. Maximum torque of an 8v is 122 lbft no 127. Just my 2 cents. I may be wrong but this is according to the owners manual, parkers and the haynes book of bull**it.
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Good info but im pretty sure the 8v torque figures are wrong. Maximum torque of an 8v is 122 lbft no 127. Just my 2 cents. I may be wrong but this is according to the owners manual, parkers and the haynes book of bull**it.
Just checked, the car they tested was a 1994 so I believe that is a ADY engine, maybe that has more torque than the later ones.
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How can i take a 16v longer to get from 30 to 50 than from 30 to 70 :huh:
Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
I remember they tested 30-70 through the gears (starting in second i guess?), 30-50 in 3rd and 50-70 in top
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I may be wrong but this is according to the owners manual
When has the owners manual ever stated the truth?
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so far i'm getting 32mpg from my r reg vr6. i know this these computers overread but i was still very impressed. I do drive a few miles per hours quicker than a tractor right enough. I like just purring along slighty with just the odd burst to hear that magical note.
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A car will give worse mpg when it's new.
Once the engine's worn in it'll increase... So if they tested new cars it's likely that they weren't doing too well.
At least, that's what BMW have led me to believe.
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do another 8 valves really weigh 100kg :grin:
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Not just the valve gear but the (at the time) wider wheels and tyres and all the Electronic Differential Lock (traction control) gubbins. Various other differences such as wider bore exhaust.
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i put my 8v golf on a weighbridge 2 weeks ago and it was 1260 kg and i weigh 83 kg so i cant c the figures are right as i dnt carry my spare wheel either
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i put my 8v golf on a weighbridge 2 weeks ago and it was 1260 kg and i weigh 83 kg so i cant c the figures are right as i dnt carry my spare wheel either
Well they were taken from Autocar and they know their stuff to be honest.
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who says the weighbridge is 100% plus was the fuel in the tank taken into account in any of these figures?
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I thought the 8v did 0-60 in 10.1?
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0-60 in a 16v is not 8.1 :lipsrsealed:
It's in the 7s...With a passanger, and that is GPS accurate :smiley:
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0-60 in a 16v is not 8.1 :lipsrsealed:
It's in the 7s...With a passanger, and that is GPS accurate :smiley:
Maybe but is yours 100% standard as it left the factory etc.
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The weights listed will probably be the dry weights.
Also, are you taking the mpg from the computer??? If you work it out by measuring the miles compared to amount of fuel used you'll find the true figure is somewhat different to what the computer says. I suspect the autocar figures are the true figures and not the computer figures.