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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: evo1986 on 24 January 2024, 20:58
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New Golf: celebrating 50 years in style
VW0129-2424 JAN 2024Last Updated 11 hours ago
Just more than 37 million units after the first model rolled off the production line, 2024 marks the 50th anniversary of the legendary Golf. And, to celebrate, we’re revealing the new Golf.
An evolution of the popular Golf 8, the main focus of updates are a redesigned interior, an improved infotainment system and various enhancements to the drivetrains on offer.
The new Golf Estate will launch at the same time as the Hatch, with the same specification upgrades.
Exterior
A new face has been given to the new Golf, consisting of new bumpers, redesigned LED headlights with a horizontal LED strip in the grille and – for the first time on a Volkswagen in the European market region – an illuminated front Volkswagen badge.
New Golf also gets a refreshed rear bumper, redesigned taillights with IQ.LIGHT (which features customisable ‘welcome’ and ‘goodbye’ effects), new alloy wheel designs, and a revised selection of exterior paints.
Interior
The updated interior now has the newly-developed MIB4 infotainment system (which will also be on the new Passat and Tiguan), with a free-standing touchscreen of up to 12.9-inches. A faster processor powers the new system, and features illuminated touch sliders for temperature and volume control.
An enhanced multi-function steering wheel can be found with physical buttons as well as the ChatGPT-enabled IDA voice assistant.
Digital Cockpit Pro can be customised to display ‘classic’ round instruments or ‘progressive’ display tiles, with space in between that can be customised with a number of functions – such as navigation route guidance or assist systems. There will also be model-specific profiles for R-Line, GTE and GTI.
Both Golf Hatch and Estate versions will have the latest versions of Park Assist Plus and Park Assist Pro, as well as the option of a 360-degree Area View.
Drivetrains
Big improvements have been made to the PHEV models of Golf, now featuring a 62-mile (100-kilometre) range on the battery alone, bringing the combined range to 621 miles (1,000 kilometres). Carrying over to the new Golf is the range of eTSI engine, which features the highly-efficient 48-volt system.
Power outputs have increased on the 2.0 TSI engine to 204PS, an increase of 14PS, and Golf GTI has a power hike up to 265PS, a rise of 20PS when compared to the outgoing GTI.
New Golf will launch with TSI (petrol), TDI (diesel), eTSI and plug hybrid eHybrid and GTE variants during the launch phase, with GTI Clubsport and R models due in the second half of 2024.
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There is a comma missing isn't there...
"GTI Clubsport and R models"
Gti, clubsport and R...
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Initial high level mk8.5 marketing blurb is now on VW UK website;
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/new/the-new-golf.html
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New Golf: celebrating 50 years in style
VW0129-2424 JAN 2024Last Updated 11 hours ago
Just more than 37 million units after the first model rolled off the production line, 2024 marks the 50th anniversary of the legendary Golf. And, to celebrate, we’re revealing the new Golf.
An evolution of the popular Golf 8, the main focus of updates are a redesigned interior, an improved infotainment system and various enhancements to the drivetrains on offer.
The new Golf Estate will launch at the same time as the Hatch, with the same specification upgrades.
Exterior
A new face has been given to the new Golf, consisting of new bumpers, redesigned LED headlights with a horizontal LED strip in the grille and – for the first time on a Volkswagen in the European market region – an illuminated front Volkswagen badge.
New Golf also gets a refreshed rear bumper, redesigned taillights with IQ.LIGHT (which features customisable ‘welcome’ and ‘goodbye’ effects), new alloy wheel designs, and a revised selection of exterior paints.
Interior
The updated interior now has the newly-developed MIB4 infotainment system (which will also be on the new Passat and Tiguan), with a free-standing touchscreen of up to 12.9-inches. A faster processor powers the new system, and features illuminated touch sliders for temperature and volume control.
An enhanced multi-function steering wheel can be found with physical buttons as well as the ChatGPT-enabled IDA voice assistant.
Digital Cockpit Pro can be customised to display ‘classic’ round instruments or ‘progressive’ display tiles, with space in between that can be customised with a number of functions – such as navigation route guidance or assist systems. There will also be model-specific profiles for R-Line, GTE and GTI.
Both Golf Hatch and Estate versions will have the latest versions of Park Assist Plus and Park Assist Pro, as well as the option of a 360-degree Area View.
Drivetrains
Big improvements have been made to the PHEV models of Golf, now featuring a 62-mile (100-kilometre) range on the battery alone, bringing the combined range to 621 miles (1,000 kilometres). Carrying over to the new Golf is the range of eTSI engine, which features the highly-efficient 48-volt system.
Power outputs have increased on the 2.0 TSI engine to 204PS, an increase of 14PS, and Golf GTI has a power hike up to 265PS, a rise of 20PS when compared to the outgoing GTI.
New Golf will launch with TSI (petrol), TDI (diesel), eTSI and plug hybrid eHybrid and GTE variants during the launch phase, with GTI Clubsport and R models due in the second half of 2024.
What's your opinions on the new agency selling model one price every dealer no discounts?
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Evo... My opinion is it's bad for dealers and bad for consumers. It's the most brutal margin grab I've ever seen.
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Evo... My opinion is it's bad for dealers and bad for consumers. It's the most brutal margin grab I've ever seen.
Given the contract imagine is with VW themselves, and dealer is literally a shelf to collect your package from, what think is the effect on after sales from the dealer? Does this change the servicing and warranty arrangement with VW anyway also? Imagining it does not, but not certain?
Also, what does this do to all the online car discount sites, like Car Wow, does it kill them?
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Evo... My opinion is it's bad for dealers and bad for consumers. It's the most brutal margin grab I've ever seen.
Could not agree more!
VW win, dealer wins customer pays more and gets even worse service than the current dealer network (and that is bad enough now at most dealers)
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Evo... My opinion is it's bad for dealers and bad for consumers. It's the most brutal margin grab I've ever seen.
Could not agree more!
VW win, dealer wins customer pays more and gets even worse service than the current dealer network (and that is bad enough now at most dealers)
I’ll either be keeping my current car or if I do decide to change, I’ll be looking at car manufacturers who aren’t planning on adopting the agency model (primarily Japanese or Korean brands at present). If I do change, my next car is unlikely to be a performance hatch; I rarely get to use my current Polo GTI+’s full potential and I only drive around 4.5k miles a year, so I’d be prepared to make the sacrifice and drive something that isn’t a hot hatch.
I’ve had 22 years of VW’s so I’d actually quite look forward to trying something different. So VW would lose a loyal, long standing customer, and I dare say I wouldn’t be the only one.
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So VW would lose a loyal, long standing customer, and I dare say I wouldn’t be the only one.
You certainly won't be!
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So VW would lose a loyal, long standing customer, and I dare say I wouldn’t be the only one.
You certainly won't be!
Nope no more VW for me. The hot hatch I'd want is not affordable to me any more and agency or not, after the way this one has gone I'm in not buying any more VAG stuff. The level of denial and outright lies about the issues with the mk8 has been appalling.
It's almost like they couldn't have tried harder the last 3 years to make their brand less attractive to me.
Next car will be something else entirely. It literally couldn't be any worse.... and then they pull this agency rubbish.
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Bet he wished he hadn't started the 8.5 promotion thread now! :grin:
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Evo... What sort of profit did a dealer have on a golf before? You know the numbers... And how much is the agency commission price going to be?
From your perspective, what does this mean to franchised dealerships?
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That’s it MK8 completely closed for ordering…..
Facelift due to be open for ordering Mid-April onwards….
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……..End of an Era… :grin: :grin:
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……..End of an Era… :grin: :grin:
Maybe VW will breathe a sigh of relief and put the mk8 software gremlins behind them……….. :whistle:
Hopefully, lessons learned and here’s hoping the facelift car will be gremlin-free.
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Noticed there are a few unregistered Mk8 GTIs and especially Rs sitting behind my local dealer.
A year ago such a sight would not have been seen.
I wonder if there will be a “dump” of unsold cars to compete with all the unsold ones coming off leases and agreements now an 8.5 is in prospect?
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When I say “dump”, I mean the factory imposing unordered stock on dealers to clear. I suspect manufacturers are pretty merciless in this respect.
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P6, the main reason there’s lots of stock now compared to the last few years is parts availability, meaning the factories are working properly again now. There just weren’t any significant amount of cars coming through before the last quarter of last year. Now it’s parts clearout time. We’ve gone from a 2 year wait time to being unable to order a factory car but lots of physical or in transit cars which hopefully will match a customers spec give or take from the pool of cars available. Two years to two weeks wait time all of a sudden as of Q4 last year and Q1 this year.
The physical cars will sit at dealers until the 8.5 ordering goes live at which point VW historically seem to get dealers to pre-reg any sitting stock.
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Shambles basically how depressing for some of the folks on this forum to wait two years get their cars and now a new model is on the horizon. The faults of the MK8 will have a long lasting legacy and will / is affecting the prices now and the amount of cars in stock are also doing just that. Fully loaded MK8 R 73 plates bottom end of £40k, 20th editions R now below £40k. Who is going to buy a clubby now for mid £40k upwards you can take £10k off that straightaway as you drive it away from the dealers. If you look at the CAP market prices they have just dropped like a stone. Just try a MOTORWAY or we buy any car quote on the vehicles listed on autotrader and it’s quite shocking. I’ve sold my MK8 and now like others on this forum and thread looking for changes to a new sort of vehicle. It’s a shame in reality.
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How about one of these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6y7VdcOkxA
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How about one of these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6y7VdcOkxA
Might be a half decent proposition via salary sacrifice for those on 40% tax with a car allowance of some sort.
I have neither so will tough it out with a superseded Golf! 😁
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bV81x9K-50
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Open for ordering the tomorrow the 11th of April....
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Any idea about the GTI base price?
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/reinvented-volkswagen-golf-goes-sale-%C2%A327035
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Carbon fibre on a Golf GTI from the factory and an illuminated VW badge at the front - as if the light bar on the 8 wasn’t stupid enough
‘The GTI can also be ordered with carbonfibre exterior applications for the first time’. These prices are going to shock potential buyers imo
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Carbon fibre on a Golf GTI from the factory and an illuminated VW badge at the front - as if the light bar on the 8 wasn’t stupid enough
‘The GTI can also be ordered with carbonfibre exterior applications for the first time’. These prices are going to shock potential buyers imo
I think you’re right in terms of the price.
As for the facelift, I think it’s a little underwhelming, but then that’s VW’s typical approach to mid lifecycle facelifts. I dare say most people who aren’t Golf and / or GTI enthusiasts the wouldn’t even realise the mk8.5 is a refreshed, facelift model.
I’ve never been a fan of the light bar and IMHO the illuminated VW badge is a bit tacky and just a step too far.
Let’s just hope VW have ironed out the software gremlins that have plagued the mk8.
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The carbon fibre will save a vital few ounces, add in an Akrapovič and for £5k you’ll shave 0.0001 second off your 0-60!
Never been a fan of the light bar myself but at least with the badge illuminated you won’t have a dark gap at the front anymore. Any light has to be good light as far as being visible is concerned, shame the radar is now on show again though.
As for the software, don’t anyone kid themselves, aside from the Chat GPT add on module it’ll be basically the same gear as late mk8’s. Though thankfully the latter seem less prone to bugs and processors should be a little quicker in the FL car.
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Seeing as the new infotainment screen is basically the same screen that’s appearing in the new ID7, refreshed ID4 and the new Tiguan, we’ll get a fair idea soon enough if the newer hardware/software has less gremlins or not. My wife has a new ID4 coming soon so I’ll see for myself what this new infotainment is like. I fear it’ll make my MK8 feel old!
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Most of the Mk8 software bugs were not really infotainment ones (some were but not many), they were actually caused by the communication with the hundreds of different sensors and control units around the car.... or those components themselves.
For example... the SOS unit (which caused infotainment reboots or bongs or both), the V2X module which caused more bongs or the steering wheel which caused loads of bongs. All of those were faults in the modules themselves...
The only thing I can think of that was infotainment issues itself was one where the climate sync used to switch itself off.
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Carbon fibre on a Golf GTI from the factory and an illuminated VW badge at the front - as if the light bar on the 8 wasn’t stupid enough
‘The GTI can also be ordered with carbonfibre exterior applications for the first time’. These prices are going to shock potential buyers imo
I think you’re right in terms of the price.
As for the facelift, I think it’s a little underwhelming, but then that’s VW’s typical approach to mid lifecycle facelifts. I dare say most people who aren’t Golf and / or GTI enthusiasts the wouldn’t even realise the mk8.5 is a refreshed, facelift model.
I’ve never been a fan of the light bar and IMHO the illuminated VW badge is a bit tacky and just a step too far.
Let’s just hope VW have ironed out the software gremlins that have plagued the mk8.
Actually thought the MK 7 mid life cycle was beyond what would expect with the digital drivers display and vastly improved media units, and styling wise the change of lights and DRL were a major win for GTI, where the red stripes always looked a little awkward, but then really integrated brilliantly in the MK 7.5. The enhanced gloss black vents and trim over the MK 7 were good plusses also.
On the MK 8, its going to be interesting to see present MK 8 owners thoughts on the screens, I am personally pretty neutral having not dipped into MK 8, its not the worst screen seen in a car, at size and position looks ok, and it does have some styling with curves and bevels.
My interest lies whether it all just works without multiple glitches, as that would make a MK 8.5 an option down the line, where as kind of excluded the natural moving onto a MK 8 due to the issues, as much as know many have been sorted, just know I would still get a lemon used.
EDIT: Just specced Style up with Pan Roof, upgraded wheels, DCC and few other bits, and it was over £37k! Definitely going over £50k with few of the desirable options on GTI's and R's
Had conversation with colleague who like me has always gone company car route, and likes his cars, and is up for his cycle of change, and there is very little cars on there now, allowance for car has only minimally lifted, the car lease prices have taken huge jumps, removing most cars of worth off the list, you just do not see them, no GTI, R or anything of that like, and even vanilla cars are requiring uplift over allowance.
His other route is to take allowance and go down own path, but again, finance prices would mean he would have to add some quite significant £ to get something half decent and in June his mortgage jumps £500 so he has tried to extend his current lease without luck, and so it will be used car only as a replacement and we are talking, a profession, good middle income earner who would have with ease, and without hesitation be in market for an S3, GTI or R as his changeover.
Think its the finance deals that affect folk most in decision, how much paying a month, so even if car price was much higher, its still the money paying per month focus on, but higher car prices and high APR is making new untenable for many many more than previous.
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I think I must be getting too long in the tooth… the prospect of an above £50k Full Sticker Price for a Golf really is too much to swallow. Will wait to see how the Mk8.5 pans out in the real world for a good while before I consider changing my 19 plate R. Although unless there are some super deals from the likes of Drivethedeal and Motorfinity my R might be staying longer in our garage.
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I think I must be getting too long in the tooth… the prospect of an above £50k Full Sticker Price for a Golf really is too much to swallow. Will wait to see how the Mk8.5 pans out in the real world for a good while before I consider changing my 19 plate R. Although unless there are some super deals from the likes of Drivethedeal and Motorfinity my R might be staying longer in our garage.
I agree new car prices are mental atm 30k to change to something not even 10k better than what you have
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Just another example of inflation outstripping pay for too many years.
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I think I must be getting too long in the tooth… the prospect of an above £50k Full Sticker Price for a Golf really is too much to swallow. Will wait to see how the Mk8.5 pans out in the real world for a good while before I consider changing my 19 plate R. Although unless there are some super deals from the likes of Drivethedeal and Motorfinity my R might be staying longer in our garage.
After having performance golfs in a row there is no way I can see myself changing to another. The price increase in combination with the higher interest rates just makes it silly.
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The topic of mk8.5 pricing does create an interesting question. What does everyone think will happen to mk8 values? Traditionally you’d expect the pre facelift prices to drop when the facelift hits the market. But if it is the case the facelift pricing is outrageous, would the low mileage/ later build pre facelift examples actually hold money well as they could be viewed as a bit of a bargain?
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Going from historic Golf model changeovers the outgoing models often keep their values pretty well owing to the conservative nature of VW buyers and build times akin to continental drift.
After a few years of very strange market conditions whereby used cars went up in value and now have nosedived I wouldn’t want to gaze into my crystal ball right now @clarky.
My Clubby still booked at £30k last September and by mid-December had shed a further £8.5k at standard book prices. My current R at 3.5 months old will have lost £10k minimum and more likely £15k so hopefully won’t bomb too much further with the 8.5 launch :shocked: not that I have any plans to change even if I could remotely afford to (unless I decide to become “economically inactive” and buy an old sh!tter to run on a shoestring which is getting more tempting by the day)
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@Exonian I’ve been looking at Skoda Yeti 4x4s to run as a daily, now the prices are on the way down. Partly to minimise wear and tear on the clubby, and partly to reduce fuel costs. A trip to Scotland this week and my wallet is barren now, I’d forgotten how cheap Costco fuel is.
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Maybe some dodgy man maths at play there Doc as it’d take a lot of fuel to equate to the cost of a Yeti 😁 but I get your thinking, sometimes it’s nice to have a contrast of vehicles to use.
I do love the Yeti, good looking in a Dinky Toy sort of way and tough as a Tonka! (Showing my age there!)
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@Exonian I don’t know what you mean :whistle:
I’ve always quite liked them, and like you said they’re reliable as all hell. Boxy means they’re great for carrying stuff (can’t fit my handbike in a golf, fits in a yeti no bother), and unlike a caddy or a transporter, it has missus approval factor too. I just wish I’d never sold my old landy. Had a diesel defender that I only sold to fund a Legacy import a few years back. Not that I could drive it any more, but it’d more than pay for a Yeti now..
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The man maths is properly adding up now! Time to cash in the Legacy chips and go Yeti hunting methinks 🗻
:afro:
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Looks like Drivethedeal has the 8.5 now for ordering with 11-12% discount off list price.
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That's a higher percentage discount than I was expecting.
It won't be enough for me to place an order though. The 8.5 just isn't different enough from the Mk8. I can't pay more money for what is substantially the same car.
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Does anyone know when pricing for the 8.5 GTI will be announced? and when order books will open? Was expecting it to announced by now!
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Does anyone know when pricing for the 8.5 GTI will be announced? and when order books will open? Was expecting it to announced by now!
"Volkswagen says the eHybrid, GTI and GTE versions will join the range this summer"
July maybe? I don't expect to see the books open until end of August...
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VW to unveil a new GTI variant on 31st May
Clubsport? Clubsport ED50?
(https://i.postimg.cc/8cSgYJ4b/IMG-0940.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62YP2QD7)
https://www.motor1.com/news/719515/new-volkswagen-golf-gti-variant/amp/
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Hi
Just taken my weekly look at German Volkswagen site. We are in luck.
https://www.volkswagen.de/de/konfigurator.html/__app/der-neue-golf-2024/sportliche-modelle/gti.app?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%252230602-34427-GTI%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522exterior%2522%257D%22%2C%22filter-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FengineType%3DBenzin%22%7D&category-app=private&carlineId-app=30602&salesGroupId-app=34427&trimName-app=GTI&modelId-app=DA19ZZ%24GYOSYOS&modelVersion-app=6&modelYear-app=2024 (https://www.volkswagen.de/de/konfigurator.html/__app/der-neue-golf-2024/sportliche-modelle/gti.app?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%252230602-34427-GTI%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522exterior%2522%257D%22%2C%22filter-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FengineType%3DBenzin%22%7D&category-app=private&carlineId-app=30602&salesGroupId-app=34427&trimName-app=GTI&modelId-app=DA19ZZ%24GYOSYOS&modelVersion-app=6&modelYear-app=2024)
Hopefully this link will take you straight to GTI configurator but remember this is German site, so this won’t be the UK spec car eg we always start at 18inch wheels and they are bound to include IQ Matrix lights.
So no need to tick every box and then rail at the price you get.
As a marker the pre facelift GTI in German started at 40905€ so it’s increased by approx 3500€
I know it’s been discussed before on here but seems to be heading for £42-44k starting price in UK.
As Fred has already mentioned, think UK orders etc will be July time
Enjoy
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Nice one Andy. I've had a brief play and already gone over 50k euros without really trying.
Hard to believe that you'll get a acceptable UK spec car for less than £47k-£48k.
I'll buy second-hand thanks!!
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Hmm interesting! Thanks for sharing.
Just spotted this article regarding pre-sales and starting price stated is 44,505 Euros which equates to just over £38k. So, I'm wondering if they will actually try to keep the base price below the £40k in the UK.
https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/press-releases/volkswagen-starts-pre-sales-of-the-new-more-powerful-golf-gti-18394
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Scrap that! Just noticed that Euros price is for a far more basic spec than the UK would get, I.E 17" wheels, no tints etc. Looks like we are looking at at least £42k then
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The German VW approach is to sell bare bones and let the buyer add what they like.
VW UK tend to make a much more fully spec'ed base item with a few optional extras.
The German one is really stripped down, probably a good 5-7k of items will be added to a UK base GTI.
Its definitely going to be north of the magic 40k RRP, making it even more expensive. No way can i see it coming along sub 40.
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Yes you are absolutely right Fred. its not going to be a sub-40K car at RRP.
Before the Mk8 disappeared, I wrote down the prices UK v Germany. Obviously, as already discussed the two spec are poles apart and UK getting a far more loaded car.
So just for interest here are the mk8 prices for performance golfs before they went off sale (Basic list price, not really worth a comparison but interesting)( but its interesting to see the difference basic currency conversions)
GTI
£39,815 v 40,095Euros
GTI Clubsport
£42,270 v 46,480Euros
R
£44,550 v 54,880Euros
So from my thinking basic UK GTI before options will be £42-44K if the German version is 44,550Euros