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Offline RocketRossUK

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Below is a list of people who's GTI mk6 golfs have suffered from the Timing Chain tensioner Fault.
Please leave comment below for age of car (plate) and Mileage (i know this doesn't effect the problem but good to know) and also a rough date of failure.

This is what you should listen for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF4hyTLVCOQ

Please leave comments on missing info and i will update regularly:


        NAME                      MILEAGE                AGE                 FAILURE DATE                            DEAL

1.    Rossc0                      42,000                   59 plate                8 June 2013                            New engine £196

2.    Jimmgc51                 56,000                  09 plate              September 2013                 New engine  £675=100%Parts 50%Labour

3.    Obbzi                        52,000                 59 plate              November 2013                     New engine 100% parts 100% labour

4.    Poached                    59,635                 59 plate              16 October 2013                  New engine  £670
 
5,    GS Wax                     35,000                 09/59                 August 2010

6.    PenguinGTI                63,000                 59 plate              June 2013

7.    Rolfe                         30, 000                09/59                   June 2012                           New engine under warrenty

8.    R32UK                      30, 000              59 plate               May 2012                             New engine under warrenty

9.    LittleJon                     50,000                 59 plate             April 2013                           New engine  £1000=100% parts 70% Labour
 
10.  Jimmymature            32,000                 09 plate            November 2013                    100% parts 50% Labour

11.  Spiderman                34,000                59 plate            September 2013                  New engine+turbo etc 70% £713.93 +Vat     

12.  C3PO                       50, 000                59 plate            December 2013                    Chain, tensioner, guides, bearing replaced

13. RocketRossUK          53, 000               59 plate           December 2013                   Chain and tensioner replacement - Free

14.  MikeT                         61, 000               10 plate             April 2013                          New engine £1000 100%parts 0% labour

15.   Hobojim                     22,000                10 plate            December 2013                New engine £750 100%parts 30%Labour

16. Andygo (his son)        47,000                 2010                December 2013               New engine no costs. (Suspected tensioner)

17. CamGTI                        48,000                 59 plate          November 2013               New engine £1000 100% parts 33%Labour

18. Davidp81                     28,000                  59 plate          February 2014                 Under usedcar warranty

19. Herbie911                   39,000                  Nov 2009       September 2013             New engine under extended warrenty
« Last Edit: 23 May 2014, 17:50 by Snoopy »
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Offline GS WAX

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Re: Timing Chain Failure List - Please Update with Your Info
« Reply #1 on: 18 December 2013, 17:13 »
4:  GS Wax's mate, 35K ish , 09/59,  August 2010 ish
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Re: Timing Chain Failure List - Please Update with Your Info
« Reply #2 on: 18 December 2013, 18:29 »
Mine - 59 plate - 59635 miles - 16/10/13

Cost to repair £670
« Last Edit: 18 December 2013, 22:33 by Poached »

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Re: Timing Chain Failure List - Please Update with Your Info
« Reply #3 on: 18 December 2013, 20:26 »
Also I think price to fix and deal offered, this really helps other in negotiating!!

Mine 09 plate roughly 56,000 FVSH, September 13 ish

Official mechanic report from VW Darlington:

Timing slipped, damage to head and block, new engine required.

Cost: £675 100% parts 50% labour!
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Re: Timing Chain Failure List - Please Update with Your Info
« Reply #4 on: 18 December 2013, 22:27 »
What happens.
I'll keep this short.

. The tensioner on the camshaft chain tensions by oil pressure.
. When the car has no or low oil pressure (car stood overnight or during work day) the tensioner falls back on its ratchet to keep tension on the timing chain.
. Its the ratchet that fails in the tensioner, therefore releasing tension on the chain.
. When you go to start the car, the chain is slack as the ratchet has failed.
. The chain moves on the sprockets and moves a couple of teeth before oil pressure builds and tensions the chain once again, but sadly in the wrong location as its moved teeth on one or more of the sprockets.
. Due to the timing been incorrect the ECU tries to keep the car running by changing the camshaft timing.
. As it cannot adjust enough the car either runs poorly or does not start at all.
. Due to the timing been incorrect. Engine Pistons meet cylinder head valves etc.

. Result=New engine needed or at least a rebuilt one.












New 06K 109 467 K and Old 06H 109 467 AB












The ratchet of the old version




Parts needed to change just the tensioner ~£300 to do at a specialist.




Parts if changing the chain and guides (if going to this length i would change sprockets but thats me(VW don't do this)) ~£1200 to do the job by a VW dealer (note: cover not shown but imho should be changed as well)




The latest release of the Tensioner 06K109467K was only released on 01/05/12 so any fitted before this are probably at risk.
Interestingly there is an extra note with a red stop sign in ETKA saying "Spare part must not be used any more please use replacement"
There was a revised tensioner fitted from engines built from 17 May 2010
A second revision of the tensioner from engines built in December 2011.
A third revision of the tensioner as quoted by Mike above from 01 May 2012.
« Last Edit: 06 January 2014, 21:16 by Snoopy »
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Re: Timing Chain Failure List - Please Update with Your Info
« Reply #5 on: 18 December 2013, 23:14 »
59 Plate, 50k, FVWSH, £1000 at Darlington also!, new engine, 100% parts, 70% labour, in April 2013
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Offline mwad gti

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Re: Timing Chain Failure List - Please Update with Your Info
« Reply #6 on: 19 December 2013, 08:14 »
I will make this thread a sticky in the future.

Good idea  :wink:
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Offline RocketRossUK

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Re: Timing Chain Failure List - Please Update with Your Info
« Reply #7 on: 19 December 2013, 08:40 »
59 Plate, 50k, FVWSH, £1000 at Darlington also!, new engine, 100% parts, 70% labour, in April 2013

how did you 70% labour cost more than Jimmgc 50% labour? How many hours did they charge you?
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Re: Timing Chain Failure List - Please Update with Your Info
« Reply #8 on: 19 December 2013, 08:48 »
I don't know. Jimmyc contacted me when his went and perhaps he managed better bargaining. I needed the car fixed and when they rang me with offer I was 10 minutes before a new job interview so just agreed. There was less on the forum when mine went so I had less info than is there now. The only thing I can think of is more damage to mine? They had the car for two weeks in all.
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Obbzi 52,00 miles 59 plate still waiting outcome  :cry:
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