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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Mutley75 on 12 January 2019, 14:56

Title: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 12 January 2019, 14:56
Not sure how accurate this is, but what on earth have they done to it?!

https://youtu.be/R021Dx9oIJw

That’s absolutely hideous. Glad I ordered the mk 7.5!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 12 January 2019, 15:21
That's a photoshop based on the Mk7. I'd take it with a bucket of salt. In any case, they nearly always look better in the metal than in photos.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Brenbo on 12 January 2019, 15:23
I second Guzzles comment.  Plus its pure concept at this stage.  It will go through many tweaks and revisions until its launch and the pic on the link looks like Auto Bild created the image themselves.  Nothing to worry about just yet. 
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 12 January 2019, 17:13
Would VW give Auto Bild exclusive rights to publish a pre-launch YouTube video of the mk8 Golf this far in advance of the official launch? ........Not in a month of Sundays. Another Auto Express type speculative rendering.

It’ll be VW that issue the first official pictures or launch video of the mk8, although there might be a few spy shots in the motoring press beforehand, as it’s not unknown for vehicles to not wear much camouflage in the final stages of road testing.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 12 January 2019, 17:27
Predictions, both in terms of looks and power output, are always woefully inaccurate. Apparently the gti will get 300bhp if you believe the motoring press. Hilarious. (Must make sure I delete this if it actually  happens).  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 12 January 2019, 17:28
Not going to happen. There’s only so much power you can push through the front wheels, clever slip diff or not. And it won’t be AWD, because that’s what the R is for.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 12 January 2019, 17:54
Leon Cupra does it but never driven one so don’t know how well it does.

I reckon the new gti will be about 260 bhp.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 12 January 2019, 21:10
With the PP diff you could easily get 300hp through the front wheels.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 12 January 2019, 21:11
Praise indeed. The Cupra has the diff too, so that explains it. I’d forgotten about that.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: ar899 on 12 January 2019, 21:42
Who said the Germans didn't have a sense of humour......
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 13 January 2019, 06:46
Bad photoshop render yet again. The new Mk8 will look like a blend of the new Polo mixed with Touareg in terms of creases and new design language. Looking forward to see what they come up with.

I’ve been out the GTI game for a few years. Enjoying life in rear wheel drive land. Does anyone know rough timelines for next gen Mk8 GTI and R launch?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: clarky92 on 13 January 2019, 12:53
Bad photoshop render yet again. The new Mk8 will look like a blend of the new Polo mixed with Touareg in terms of creases and new design language. Looking forward to see what they come up with.

I’ve been out the GTI game for a few years. Enjoying life in rear wheel drive land. Does anyone know rough timelines for next gen Mk8 GTI and R launch?

Should get a look at the MK8 GTI and R by the end of this year along with technical details. Talk of being able to order at same time or beginning of 2020. But with a new model and given its going hybrid with all the complexities that comes with it, I would avoid the first year of production until they iron out any issues.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Daz Auto on 13 January 2019, 17:07
AFAIK the Mk7 R was not available for 1 year. Unless it’s different this time, we won’t see it in the UK until 2021.

New engine, suspension and haldex 4WD will need more time to test and tune.

It is widely expected that the R will get a good power upgrade. I’d expect 350 bhp minimum 😎
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 13 January 2019, 17:11
That’s why I just bought a mk 7.5 now rather than wait for the new one. Could be waiting years! Plus it’ll probably be 5% wider, 10% longer and 20% more expensive if current trends are anything to go by.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: trueblue_ips on 13 January 2019, 19:39
Not sure how accurate this is, but what on earth have they done to it?!

https://youtu.be/R021Dx9oIJw

That’s absolutely hideous. Glad I ordered the mk 7.5!

All subjective but I totally disagree. Love the chunky shape of the golf except the front end on the performance models. It's just not aggressive enough, not enough like the front grill on the Audi A3/s3.
The front grill is much more imposing on that mk8. I really hope it turns out like that.
Also, would fully expect the mk8 Gti to go to 300 BHP and R to be nearing 400 BHP. 260 is only 15 BHP more than the current PP GTI. I would expect a much bigger jump than that with 48V Hybrid.
Sadly, I reckon they'll be a price hike too to go with it.
Hopefully, we'll start to see some concrete details soon. I don't expect to see MK8 GTIs or Rs in people's driveways till Autumn 2020 though. :sad:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 14 January 2019, 09:25
It's already been hinted that GTI will be around 260/265bhp. No way will they jump it up to 300bhp for the std GTI.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 January 2019, 21:41
... No way will they jump it up to 300bhp for the std GTI.

… unless they make it a hybrid, but I doubt that.

Even with a hybrid - under WLTP, it will be a balance of power vs economy = small power increase for GTI.

Being the ultimate/flagship model - fuel economy is less important with the Golf R.

Do they need to increase the Golf R/Audi S3 power that much? Or keep the RS3 as the ultimate VAG hot hatch?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 14 January 2019, 22:28
I would imagine going by the mk7 pp which had 230 and then the mid life crisis model with 245 that a modest increase to 265 maybe even 280 for the mk8 GTi. 300 would be nice but then the R will need about 350 to make it that bit different. I think people saying the R will have 400hp are wide of the mark, could be wrong though  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 15 January 2019, 09:07
... No way will they jump it up to 300bhp for the std GTI.

… unless they make it a hybrid, but I doubt that.

Even with a hybrid - under WLTP, it will be a balance of power vs economy = small power increase for GTI.

Being the ultimate/flagship model - fuel economy is less important with the Golf R.

Do they need to increase the Golf R/Audi S3 power that much? Or keep the RS3 as the ultimate VAG hot hatch?

It's already pretty much confirmed in every news article that the GTI will be using hybrid:

On top of the usual emphasis on fuel saving, the new tech will also benefit the next GTI and R models as they turn to electrification to push the boundaries of hot hatch performance.

The core of this new performance will be the adoption of a new 48V hybrid system. As well as supporting fuel-saving technology such as engine-off coasting and an integrated starter-motor and generator, the 48V system will also allow VW to develop electrically driven turbochargers to improve performance on models such as the GTI and R. Unlike a number of its rivals, Volkswagen will offer its next Golf as both three- and five-door options, as well as an estate, while the GTI’s classic red design clues and understated looks should also remain intact.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: kmpowell on 15 January 2019, 10:14
I came to the conclusion (perhaps wrongly) that any new GTI will be based on the Skoda Vision RS concept they released details back in October. So circa 250bhp, 1.5 engine etc etc.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 15 January 2019, 10:49
Most articles point towards 2.0 litre with mild hybrid system, potentially using an electric compressor instead of traditional turbo.

Previous threads discussed the lack of actual buttons in the interior making way for touch controls for heating etc.

No doubt a pain to use but if it looks like this below it will be a pretty slick place to sit...

https://carsuvtruck.site/2019-vw-gti-mk8/2019-volkswagen-golf-gti-price-specs-release-date-carwow-within-2019-vw-gti-mk8/
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 15 January 2019, 10:58
Has anyone (any OEM) produced a mild hybrid 48v vehicle yet?

Be interesting to see what one might consist of....

Or are VAG likely to be among the first wave to introduce this? I know pretty much all manufacturers are talking about it (quite possibly based on someone's components made for the job... possibly even the same sub-components!)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 15 January 2019, 11:03
AHa:

https://www.just-auto.com/news/audi-q8-comes-with-48v-mild-hybrid-tech_id182935.aspx

So the mild hybrid thing is actually a battery system to restart the engine rather than drive the vehicle.... and the engine switches off all of the time - not just at stop.

Regenerative braking charges the battery... a 10Ah battery...

I can hear all of the anti-start-stop coders screaming already!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 15 January 2019, 13:24
Bit more detail here:

https://youtu.be/jFj7TkhOi3Q

(sorry the music is annoying but its got good info)

So yes, saving fuel by both coasting and running the million electrical items from a rechargable electric system instead of stealing energy from the engine driven alternator. Adds up to some fuel saving, probably not a lot from you pocket, but probably if adopted across every car in Europe a few million tonnes of CO2 per year.

The other thing that video shows on the new high Audis is truly dynamic DCC... spotting potholes and speed bumps and adjust the damping accordingly - very clever. No doubt if VW have that on the Mk8 it will be "DCC" (£800) or "DCC plus auto bump spotting" (£1500).

Interesting tech though! I love a bit of tech!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 15 January 2019, 14:13
Most articles point towards 2.0 litre with mild hybrid system, potentially using an electric compressor instead of traditional turbo.

Previous threads discussed the lack of actual buttons in the interior making way for touch controls for heating etc.

No doubt a pain to use but if it looks like this below it will be a pretty slick place to sit...

https://carsuvtruck.site/2019-vw-gti-mk8/2019-volkswagen-golf-gti-price-specs-release-date-carwow-within-2019-vw-gti-mk8/

Looks like there’s quite a few additional buttons on the steering wheel than there are in the mk7.5. Hopefully that means functions such as adjusting the cabin temperature can also be done from the steering wheel buttons, rather than having to have an accurate aim to hit the appropriate part of a touch screen that’s positioned low down on the centre console.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: jv on 16 January 2019, 19:55
New Car magazine has very believable looking mk8 GTI pics and quotes GTI 232bhp, GTI Cup 286bhp and R with 328bhp.

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 16 January 2019, 20:28
Most articles have suggested 265bhp and that is indicated by VW development team. So 232bhp would be far too low, an extra 2bhp over the outgoing 7.5 GTI. Wouldn’t exactly be what anyone would call progress for a full new model!!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 17 January 2019, 14:01
I would expect a slight numerical gain, not enough to make a real world difference but enough to say "its up on power" (if you don't spot how the car is heavier...)

Radically more, nope and purely because of emissions control - VAG and everyone else need to reduce emissions not start making things more polluting. So some new emissions control measures and a slight power increase which overall drops the emissions is what I expect. The new measures wouldn't counter a massive power increase, so it will be for Top Trumps players and VW Marketing only.

"The new Mk8 GTI - more powerful and greener than any GTI ever!" will be the advertising slogan no doubt.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 17 January 2019, 16:46
I would expect a slight numerical gain, not enough to make a real world difference but enough to say "its up on power" (if you don't spot how the car is heavier...)

Radically more, nope and purely because of emissions control - VAG and everyone else need to reduce emissions not start making things more polluting. So some new emissions control measures and a slight power increase which overall drops the emissions is what I expect. The new measures wouldn't counter a massive power increase, so it will be for Top Trumps players and VW Marketing only.

"The new Mk8 GTI - more powerful and greener than any GTI ever!" will be the advertising slogan no doubt.

Let's start a new thread - state your power estimate of the new GTI, no editing of posts later on allowed! Just for fun, of course.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 17 January 2019, 18:06
Something else I remember reading in VW Driver (sp?) magazine when waiting for my car at the stealers was an article about new plastics tech for the interior - one which didn't absorb as much heat from sunlight coming in through the windows - the dash under the windscreen being the main offender.

By reducing this heat absorption it reduces the amount of cooling (and therefore energy needed for the AC, which comes of course from the engine) and hence CO2 is reduced.

I thought that was rather clever (not sexy but clever)... not sure if that will come... the 7 speed DSG box they also talked about did though...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 17 January 2019, 18:25
So what do you think then Fred? Genuine new tech, or just an excuse to swap the soft touch dash for hard shiny plastic a la T-Roc? 
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 17 January 2019, 22:29
I dunno, they didn't say if it was hard or soft... Could be what the troc has though...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Crockers on 17 January 2019, 23:14
Don't get too hung up on power. If its only up slightly but with great weight saving then it will be fine.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: trueblue_ips on 18 January 2019, 01:09
Around 275 I reckon for the GTI to match the new focus ST and around 350 for the R.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 18 January 2019, 06:04
I think the gti will get 400bhp and the R just over 800bhp. (I should work for the mags)   
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 18 January 2019, 09:08
Don't get too hung up on power. If its only up slightly but with great weight saving then it will be fine.

My guess - 48v system is actually heavier.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 18 January 2019, 17:31
I found this just now, which I don't think I've read before:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/new-2019-volkswagen-golf-official-image-released-mk8-hatchback

Big article, lots of things in there.... how many you see turn up on the Mk8 GTI though is anyone's guess still...

No manual switches though is noted and likely!!

Its definitely going to make the Mk7 look very retro though I suspect...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Splashalot on 21 January 2019, 06:43
https://www.caradvice.com.au/718270/2020-volkswagen-golf-mk8-snapped/?source=trending&slot=0

Little change from the mk7.5, which is no bad thing IMO.  But the Polo wants it's nose back.

Edit: Recommend you avoid the comments.  Bunch of VW haters on that site.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 21 January 2019, 09:14
I hope that's quite cammo'ed up but I suspect its not - that headlight design matches what I've read elsewhere and the rear looks wider (Megane style) which again is what I've read about elsewhere.

Looks dare I say it like an Astra...

Isn't this standard VW though - even numbered Golf models always look more rounded than the odd numbered ones and less attractive?

The Mk7 was a total redesign, the Mk8 definitely won't be - much of the Mk7 components will remain re-using the MQB platform.

In the same way as a Mk5 was brand new and the Mk6 was a warm over...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 21 January 2019, 09:34
It will look much better in final production but certainly easily to tell it's a Golf - not that there was ever any doubt of that!

Inside wise, I'm guessing the new Touareg gives a hint of how it might look.. Large touch screen joining AID. Good to see a volume button down by the handbrake and looks like operating stuff like the heated seats could be fairly easy still unlike the LR system.

(https://i.postimg.cc/h4bZZ3kg/fullsizeoutput-35d.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 21 January 2019, 09:59
I'd say all of the mechanical switches are definitely history - just looking at the latest Audis.

Would be nice though if RHD models had the MIB buttons moved over - the current buttonless navpro I have has all of the buttons on the left hand side of the unit - positioned for LHD!

Some of the Audis also have a touch screen panel lower down too to replace the manual switch panel.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Watts on 21 January 2019, 11:09
Would be nice though if RHD models had the MIB buttons moved over - the current buttonless navpro I have has all of the buttons on the left hand side of the unit - positioned for LHD!

No, that's so Jeeves has something to do whilst you are driving...

(https://i.postimg.cc/G2FZgvbj/Jeeves-and-Wooster-007.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 21 January 2019, 11:33
That looks like the Audi Q3/A1 and I suspect upcoming A3
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: kmpowell on 21 January 2019, 12:19
https://www.caradvice.com.au/718270/2020-volkswagen-golf-mk8-snapped/?source=trending&slot=0

Little change from the mk7.5, which is no bad thing IMO.  But the Polo wants it's nose back.

Edit: Recommend you avoid the comments.  Bunch of VW haters on that site.
It's interesting how manufacturers adopt certain shapes to confirm with new legislation. Look at the shape of the new Focus's bonnet, then look at the shape of that, it's pretty much identical, that can't be a co-incidence?!?

I'm sure it will grow on me, but on first glance I am now 100% glad I went for a 7.5 rather than waited for the 8. Oh and perhaps I'm an old fuddy-duddy at 42yo, but buttonless switches drive me mad, especially when I'm on the move. When you're driving along and don't want to take your eyes off the road, the 'click' is all you need, so unless there's haptic feedback then it's a no from me.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: HA54SYM` on 21 January 2019, 13:08
(https://www.350z-uk.com/uploads/monthly_2018_12/Untitled.jpg.5286ca51ab23bb63fc99cb3e407252b2.jpg)

Based on that new spotted link at MacD's then this could be the GTi spotted before as they are the same.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 21 January 2019, 13:41
Does rather look like it...

Its all gotta be quite close to finalised now, with the reveal scheduled for March.

They definitely will have complete ones being tested somewhere...

Still not sure if I like the slitty eyes and fat bum though.... but then again, I did get used to the wife under similar circumstances  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 21 January 2019, 13:47
You’re a brave man. I can only assume she doesn’t read this forum!?

As for buttonless controls - the biggest problem I find is that it’s hard to press the ‘button’ you intended to as the slightest bump in the road moves your finger a couple of inches. Possibly a bit easier for right handed people in left hand drive cars though.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 21 January 2019, 21:51
(https://www.350z-uk.com/uploads/monthly_2018_12/Untitled.jpg.5286ca51ab23bb63fc99cb3e407252b2.jpg)

Based on that new spotted link at MacD's then this could be the GTi spotted before as they are the same.

Those GTI pics are clearly fake.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 21 January 2019, 21:54
(https://www.350z-uk.com/uploads/monthly_2018_12/Untitled.jpg.5286ca51ab23bb63fc99cb3e407252b2.jpg)

Based on that new spotted link at MacD's then this could be the GTi spotted before as they are the same.

Those GTI pics are clearly fake.

Ha ha yes ... unless the Austin wheels are making a comeback lol
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 21 January 2019, 22:56
Unless that's all part of Vw cammo.  Not hard to stick some old wheel designs on...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 21 January 2019, 23:25
Unless that's all part of Vw cammo.  Not hard to stick some old wheel designs on...
I think pretty much all the spy shot pictures I’ve seen of pre-launch VW’s being tested - camouflaged or not - have been using old wheel designs.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Splashalot on 22 January 2019, 00:03

Those GTI pics are clearly fake.

How can you tell? 

Not sure I'm liking the GTI, if those pics are to be believed.  Looks quite dumpy to me.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 22 January 2019, 08:56

Those GTI pics are clearly fake.

How can you tell? 

Not sure I'm liking the GTI, if those pics are to be believed.  Looks quite dumpy to me.

Well I’m no Inspector Clouseau but...a discreet Tornado Red GTI testing in South Africa, looking finished at least a year before release with no number plates on in what looks like the fakest video since that Veyron drove into a lake. Yes, must be real!



Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Splashalot on 22 January 2019, 10:09

Those GTI pics are clearly fake.

How can you tell? 

Not sure I'm liking the GTI, if those pics are to be believed.  Looks quite dumpy to me.

Well I’m no Inspector Clouseau but...a discreet Tornado Red GTI testing in South Africa, looking finished at least a year before release with no number plates on in what looks like the fakest video since that Veron drove into a lake. Yes, must be real!
Yes, good point about the distant release date. I hadn't considered that. I do hope you're correct. Although the similarity to the black one has me concerned it may be legit.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: david25 on 27 January 2019, 09:12
Autocar Jan 23 reporting the hybrid system has been dropped
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 27 January 2019, 12:01
Autocar Jan 23 reporting the hybrid system has been dropped
It was never a full hybrid anyway.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mike roberts on 27 January 2019, 17:08
Ahh, the classic faked spy shots taken by a toddler on a Nokia 5510 with its lens smeared with vaseline.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 27 January 2019, 23:22
Autocar Jan 23 reporting the hybrid system has been dropped

The electric powered "boost" I would think isn't there - no VAG has had it yet.... its just an energy recycling thing to drive the electronics and starter motor...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: trueblue_ips on 28 January 2019, 00:37
Isn't production for the Mk8 supposed to start in June? I'm hoping we'll see more concrete information by March.
I don't think we'll see right hand drive performance models on driveways till the end of 2020 though.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 28 January 2019, 07:33
Yes, some big motor show in March will be where it is revealed to the world most likely...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 29 January 2019, 20:23
Premier later in the year
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 29 January 2019, 22:09
Premier later in the year

Which show? Its not Geneva is it?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 29 January 2019, 22:15
From what I have seen today I would just get a mental deal on a Mk 7.5 because there is that little difference. Narrower grill on the front and another line on the front bonnet it’s not a lot different.

Two hybrids going to be available though if that’s of interest.

Electric is going to be the way going forward 350-500km range based on WLTP testing.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 30 January 2019, 07:59
From what I have seen today I would just get a mental deal on a Mk 7.5 because there is that little difference. Narrower grill on the front and another line on the front bonnet it’s not a lot different.

Ahhhh so you have seen it!

There's more to it than that though isn't there? Besides a few external style changes there is new tech inside right?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 30 January 2019, 08:04
Yes I saw it in the flesh yesterday afternoon.

Certainly the finished article outside but it was all bodged together on the inside with loads of mk7 left overs.

AR windscreen / HUD and innovission cockpit should be options.

The event I attended was mostly about E-mobility but the Golf was there as well.

Mirrors are back down onto the door skin itself.





Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 30 January 2019, 09:31
Yes I'd heard somewhere else about the move of the mirrors.

The boot is supposed to be bigger?

As for the HUD/innovision, looks interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4F1zNBSb9Q

I suspect the price is going to be eye watering... what does it cost on the Towrag?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 30 January 2019, 09:35
Costs £2410 to add it to Touareg Rline.

The car was closed so couldn’t get in it at all to see interior space and cleverly hidden.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 30 January 2019, 09:37
The boot lid and glass did look like it was at more of an angle and rear spoiler looked a lot deeper.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 30 January 2019, 12:02
The boot lid and glass did look like it was at more of an angle and rear spoiler looked a lot deeper.

That's interesting.... I'd heard the tailgate was more vertical!

Does the whole thing look more like a mini Passat overall? Or like a Vauxhall Astra?  :sick:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: JoeGTI on 30 January 2019, 14:05
The mirrors on the door skin is probably going to be like the current Passat / Aereton.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: david25 on 02 February 2019, 11:57
Autocar 30th Jan has real pics of a black one
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 02 February 2019, 12:31
That picture is not of the MK8.......
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: 2007GTI on 04 February 2019, 20:40
new Autocar article on Mk8, had to shorten link as it wouldn't link thru...

https://tinyurl.com/autocarmk8
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Watts on 04 February 2019, 20:58
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-ditches-hybrid-plans-play-golf-gti’s-strengths

No more 3 door :cry:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 04 February 2019, 21:44
That autocar article is jut a cut and shut of a million other articles.

No more door has been an on and off thing for ages now. Last I heard yes to 3 door, but not to convertibles.

All of the other bits in that article you could guess pretty much by looking across the VAG range. It is highly unlikely that anything in the Mk8 Golf will not have been seen before in an Audi or other VW car that's recently been revamped.

So lets just play lego with those bits and say "it could have" and insert some of those features.

Of course, it won't get all of them, but I'll say again, there will be nothing you haven't been able to see before here.

The only real guessing game is quite how much it looks like a Passat vs a Vauxhall Astra.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 04 February 2019, 21:56
More like Astra than Passat in my opinion
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 04 February 2019, 22:16
More like Astra than Passat in my opinion

I can hear the screams already :D
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 11 February 2019, 11:45
Not sure what to make of this if the standard power is cut for the GTi. https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/volkswagen/vw-golf-gti-mk8-whats-in-store-for-2019s-hot-hatch/
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 11 February 2019, 11:51
Not sure what to make of this if the standard power is cut for the GTi. https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/volkswagen/vw-golf-gti-mk8-whats-in-store-for-2019s-hot-hatch/

Standard power for a GTI is/was 227bhp so 232bhp is an increase not a cut surely?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 11 February 2019, 11:57
You can only order a new gti now in 245hp so it's a decrease.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 11 February 2019, 12:02
You can only order a new gti now in 245hp so it's a decrease.

That's a technicality. The entry level GTI is/was 227. Just because it's no longer available doesn't mean it didn't exist!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 11 February 2019, 12:28
It did but it doesn't now. The standard GTi was discontinued and the only engine available to order was the 245hp. If that's the only engine available now then anything with less hp is a decrease. It's a step backwards in my eyes and with vw passing on any tariffs from Brexit (if any arise) it's going to be an expensive car with less power than the outgoing model. The R looks like it's getting a modest increase but not everyone will want the cup edition so seems strange the GTi is having the power cut back. The article could be complete nonsense mind  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 11 February 2019, 14:21
These stories.... try comparing a load of them over time.... no 3 door, keeping three door, special gti version, no special gti version, R has a bit more power, R has 9,000,000bhp...

And then the funny photoshops...

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 11 February 2019, 14:37
 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 11 February 2019, 19:05
These stories.... try comparing a load of them over time.... no 3 door, keeping three door, special gti version, no special gti version, R has a bit more power, R has 9,000,000bhp...

And then the funny photoshops...

Couldn’t agree more Fred. None of this will probably be true. Just a few. In the ago the usual ‘gti to receive a huge power boost’ stories were all the rage.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Beezer on 13 February 2019, 08:19
Found this supposedly leaked image last night. Not sure how real it is but thought I’d share...

(https://www.automobilegazette.com/wp-content/uploads/Volkswagen-Golf-Mk8.jpg)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 13 February 2019, 08:47
That’s it although can’t see the new bonnet line
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 13 February 2019, 08:50
Found this supposedly leaked image last night. Not sure how real it is but thought I’d share...

That picture was doing the rounds a couple of weeks ago on various forums and the general consensus was that it wasn’t real.

The one in this video though............. looks like it might be the genuine article; posted a couple of days ago on golfmk7.com. Apparently, the video was filmed of the mk8 Golf road testing in South Africa.

Headlights in this car (seen at the end of the video clip) look very similar to the current Polo headlamps and not like the ones on the black car at the drive through. The slightly concave shape of the wheel arches is also similar to the Polo. The waist high crease line through the doors and into the rear quarter panel harks back to the mk6 Golf and is higher than on the current Golf. The bonnet line of the silver car in the video clip looks flatter and less rounded than the bonnet on the black car at the McDonald’s drive through. Door mirrors are attached to the door panels as evo1986 mentioned in an earlier post.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/files-702/1549895738_VID-20190211-WA0004.mp4

So, if it is genuine, quite similar but subtly different to the mk7/mk7.5, and not surprisingly it follows VW’s evolutionary design approach for the Golf. IMO VW weren’t ever going to produce a radically different design for their core model that might alienate existing and prospective owners.

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 13 February 2019, 10:08
Found this supposedly leaked image last night. Not sure how real it is but thought I’d share...

That picture was doing the rounds a couple of weeks ago on various forums and the general consensus was that it wasn’t real.

The one in this video though............. looks like it might be the genuine article; posted a couple of days ago on golfmk7.com. Apparently, the video was filmed of the mk8 Golf road testing in South Africa.

Headlights in this car (seen at the end of the video clip) look very similar to the current Polo headlamps and not like the ones on the black car at the drive through. The slightly concave shape of the wheel arches is also similar to the Polo. The waist high crease line through the doors and into the rear quarter panel harks back to the mk6 Golf and is higher than on the current Golf. The bonnet line of the silver car in the video clip looks flatter and less rounded than the bonnet on the black car at the McDonald’s drive through. Door mirrors are attached to the door panels as evo1986 mentioned in an earlier post.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/files-702/1549895738_VID-20190211-WA0004.mp4

So, if it is genuine, quite similar but subtly different to the mk7/mk7.5, and not surprisingly it follows VW’s evolutionary design approach for the Golf. IMO VW weren’t ever going to produce a radically different design for their core model that might alienate existing and prospective owners.

Seriously, are you for real? Those pics from the drive through look exactly like the potential finished car including mirrors on the door skins. And confirmed the guy above who's seen it who works for VW.

That video is more fake than the Veyron driving into the lake! A finished GTI in bright red nearly 2 years early taken on a phone with the image of quality of an old Nokia. Yes, that must be real  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 13 February 2019, 11:07
Found this supposedly leaked image last night. Not sure how real it is but thought I’d share...

That picture was doing the rounds a couple of weeks ago on various forums and the general consensus was that it wasn’t real.

The one in this video though............. looks like it might be the genuine article; posted a couple of days ago on golfmk7.com. Apparently, the video was filmed of the mk8 Golf road testing in South Africa.

Headlights in this car (seen at the end of the video clip) look very similar to the current Polo headlamps and not like the ones on the black car at the drive through. The slightly concave shape of the wheel arches is also similar to the Polo. The waist high crease line through the doors and into the rear quarter panel harks back to the mk6 Golf and is higher than on the current Golf. The bonnet line of the silver car in the video clip looks flatter and less rounded than the bonnet on the black car at the McDonald’s drive through. Door mirrors are attached to the door panels as evo1986 mentioned in an earlier post.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/files-702/1549895738_VID-20190211-WA0004.mp4

So, if it is genuine, quite similar but subtly different to the mk7/mk7.5, and not surprisingly it follows VW’s evolutionary design approach for the Golf. IMO VW weren’t ever going to produce a radically different design for their core model that might alienate existing and prospective owners.

Seriously, are you for real? Those pics from the drive through look exactly like the potential finished car including mirrors on the door skins. And confirmed the guy above who's seen it who works for VW.

That video is more fake than the Veyron driving into the lake! A finished GTI in bright red nearly 2 years early taken on a phone with the image of quality of an old Nokia. Yes, that must be real  :grin:

I said the general consensus on other forums was that the black car wasn’t the real thing - merely conveying what others had said on other forums, so not my words. I didn’t say that the silver car was an actual mk8 either - I said in might be.

If you look at the silver car in the video clip and compare it to the black car in the pictures, there are features that are common to both; door mirror positioning, waist line crease. It’s not unknown for manufacturers to still mask up light clusters on uncamoflaged vehicles in the final stages of testing to hide some of the finer details - the rear light clusters on current Polo were disguised with tape to look like the previous generation.

We’ll just have to wait and see the launch pictures when VW officially reveal it in the metal.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 13 February 2019, 13:40
My mistake. Thought it was the video of the supposedly 'real' red GTI from South Africa that was blatantly a fake.

That silver one looks pretty similar to the black one so potentially both could be nearly finished versions. Black one I would say is genuine. 
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: kmpowell on 13 February 2019, 13:56
That silver one looks pretty similar to the black one so potentially both could be nearly finished versions. Black one I would say is genuine.
Whatever it is, I'm breathing a sign of relief that I went for a the 7.5 rather than wait for the 8. I think both of those cars (the silver and black one) look very ungainly and bloated with some odd bulge lines which I assume are part of new safety regulations because they also appear on the new Focus.

The 7.5 really was/is a sweet spot IMO.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 13 February 2019, 14:14
Yeah, I'd be tempted to see if I can purchase mine when the lease expires or look at a 2018 R with all the horses...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: JoeGTI on 13 February 2019, 14:18
If I think back, I don't think I've ever liked the "new" Golf whenever the first spy shots are shown. They always look rubbish when half camouflaged, bits missing, tiny little wheels, taped up lights etc...

I think I'll wait till I see it in GTI trim - probably at one of the big motorshows later this year - before I give proper judgement!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 13 February 2019, 14:35
If I think back, I don't think I've ever liked the "new" Golf whenever the first spy shots are shown. They always look rubbish when half camouflaged, bits missing, tiny little wheels, taped up lights etc...

I think I'll wait till I see it in GTI trim - probably at one of the big motorshows later this year - before I give proper judgement!

True, GTI will probably look awesome and we'll wonder what all the fuss was about!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 13 February 2019, 18:08
If you slow down the video on the Silver one you can certainly see the slightly more sloping boot I was mentioning and also the new line on the bonnet.

I don’t remember it looking that much like a Polo from the rear.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 13 February 2019, 18:29
Pictures in auto express of the black one show the wheelbase to be really long to the point it looks out of proportion. Doesn't look good at all but hopefully it'll be better in proper production guise.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 13 February 2019, 19:12
Jesus that silver thing is ugly!
Are you sure it’s not a heavily disguised 1 Series BMW?  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 13 February 2019, 20:05
Surely those images can’t be real. They are hideous.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 14 February 2019, 09:38
Jesus that silver thing is ugly!
Are you sure it’s not a heavily disguised 1 Series BMW?  :lipsrsealed:

Its not great is it.... hopefully there are still some disguise bits on it because that silver one looks like an Astra and a 1 series had a baby...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 14 February 2019, 10:24
Jesus that silver thing is ugly!
Are you sure it’s not a heavily disguised 1 Series BMW?  :lipsrsealed:

Its not great is it.... hopefully there are still some disguise bits on it because that silver one looks like an Astra and a 1 series had a baby...

Often on ‘undisguised’ test cars, the light clusters are taped off and the bumpers might be early pre-production versions that don’t actually make it into production. Manufacturers like to hold some of the details back until the official unveiling.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: kmpowell on 22 February 2019, 09:34
I wonder if this engine is going to be the one which makes it into the MK8 GTI?

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-eurocars/formentor-revealed-as-cupras-first-standalone-car/39675

:smiley:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 22 February 2019, 09:46
Doubt the mainstream GTI would be plug-in hybrid. That technology is sh*te
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 22 February 2019, 12:19
For those waiting on the MK8 it seems like the leap forward into new technology on the performance models might just be a small step and the MK 8 might be more a MK 7.75 



It seems they ditched the hybrid and its just going to be more rework on engines and they styling will be VW subtle and there might even be a step back with a touch less environment of larger media units 



https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-ditches-hybrid-plans-play-golf-gti’s-strengths
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 27 February 2019, 21:43
A dealer told me today that they don't expect a performance golf until 2021. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 27 February 2019, 21:45
If I was still as sales person that’s exactly what I would be telling you too 😆

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 27 February 2019, 22:04
Vw live chat told me there would be no Mk8 Golf. 😂
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: trueblue_ips on 02 March 2019, 13:05
A dealer told me today that they don't expect a performance golf until 2021. Make of that what you will.

That may be right. Carwow are now reporting that the GTI and R won't be available for a full two years after the new car's initial launch with 1.0 and 1.5 petrol engines available.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 03 March 2019, 11:28
A dealer told me today that they don't expect a performance golf until 2021. Make of that what you will.

That may be right. Carwow are now reporting that the GTI and R won't be available for a full two years after the new car's initial launch with 1.0 and 1.5 petrol engines available.

Depends where carwow’s website people are lifting their info from.
If they’re collating press reports from European ‘scoop’ type magazines sites or actually being drip fed from industry insiders directly. Personally I think there’s a lot of guesstimates in that article.
Even VW UK seem in the dark about most of it which isn’t unusual. I remember at the launch of the mk7 they were debating publicly whether they’d even bother importing the R after poor mk6 R sales. Then the 7R became one of the best selling model’s in the range after they ballsed up with the cheap leases expecting them to have high residuals like the sought after but rare 6R! 

Since dieselgate VW seem ever more inconsistent and rudderless.

https://www.carwow.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/news/2367/volkswagen-golf-mk8-2017-price-specs-and-release-date
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 03 March 2019, 12:12
Funny how that article still mentions hybrid tech when lots of other articles said VW had binned the idea.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 04 March 2019, 09:45
A dealer told me today that they don't expect a performance golf until 2021. Make of that what you will.

The same dealer currently trying to sell you a performance Golf?! I don't think I've ever believed anything I heard from a dealer, especially anyone in the sales department. But I would think GTI sometime by the middle to end of 2020 is likely.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 04 March 2019, 22:17
A dealer told me today that they don't expect a performance golf until 2021. Make of that what you will.

The same dealer currently trying to sell you a performance Golf?! I don't think I've ever believed anything I heard from a dealer, especially anyone in the sales department. But I would think GTI sometime by the middle to end of 2020 is likely.

It wasn’t actually someone I was buying from. Just thought I’d share.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: kmpowell on 05 March 2019, 11:04
(https://i.postimg.cc/5N8pYBCF/volkswagen-golf-viii-001-jpg-bbaa4e4605adb8297ca1a7eb1b1af559.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/y8PPn7n1/volkswagen-golf-viii-002-jpg-9cc70fab5cebe516afb682e2e0e32804.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9X6JQ8rh/volkswagen-golf-viii-004-jpg-dba9836f75c116d1506d266cf197bab1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SxqdWn61/volkswagen-golf-viii-008-jpg-7b12844dd5b0fc35555034c193be6e00.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

:sick:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: JoeGTI on 05 March 2019, 11:33
Oh dear....
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: ar899 on 05 March 2019, 11:34
Looks like an Astra....
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 05 March 2019, 11:51
Ah dear..... Lets hope they can make the GTI look better as that does look a bit sh*te and very Astra-eque...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Ginagee on 05 March 2019, 11:59
That's proper fugly. Looks like it's been stretched and pinched. And not in a good way. :sad:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 05 March 2019, 12:19
And almost identical to the black one spotted in the drive through a month or so ago that no one thought was a real!  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 05 March 2019, 12:39
Well i'm going to reserve judgement until I see it presented the way VW intended, rather than the presentation of someone hiding in a bush.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 05 March 2019, 12:50
If you look carefully at the first two pictures posted by kmpowell, it looks as if the headlights are taped up to disguise them - remove the tape, and they sweep back almost into the wheel arch edge; very un-Golf like!

It also looks as if the rear bumper reflectors are red tape and the actual reflectors will ‘sit’ in the recessed sections above the red tape. Discussions on other forums suggest the rear lights have also been taped up and if the tape’s removed, they’d be a ‘stepped’ design like the T-Roc rear lights.

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 05 March 2019, 12:54
And almost identical to the black one spotted in the drive through a month or so ago that no one thought was a real!  :grin:

We’re all in denial!





Lots of bits of disguise still on that car. Hopefully the ill-fitting chrome lower bumper and door window trims are to throw people off the actual lines, plus taped up lights, reflectors etc.

The overall shape is rather “lowered MPV” though (as opposed to attractive well proportioned medium hatchback) and not masses different to the rounded off new Focus. In fact the Tiguan actually looks more stylish.

As with all non-Performance Model Golfs (which can look dull as crap in photos) it probably needs to be seen in the flesh to appreciate the stance and styling quirks.
Or maybe this evolutionary model (as opposed to revolutionary) is actually a munter. I’m sure it’ll sell well though, there’s not exactly a shortage of 1 series about which is about as ill-proportioned as a hatchback can get.

Maybe evo1986’s comment about not waiting for a mk8 was a nod toward the fact the 8 is infact just an uglier evolution of the 7 in the flesh...    :cry:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 05 March 2019, 12:56
If you look carefully at the first two pictures posted by kmpowell, it looks as if the headlights are taped up to disguise them - remove the tape, and they sweep back almost into the wheel arch edge; very un-Golf like!

This could still be a heavily disguised 1 series yet!  :laugh:
I spot a few BMW styling cues
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 05 March 2019, 13:08
And almost identical to the black one spotted in the drive through a month or so ago that no one thought was a real!  :grin:

We’re all in denial!





Lots of bits of disguise still on that car. Hopefully the ill-fitting chrome lower bumper and door window trims are to throw people off the actual lines, plus taped up lights, reflectors etc.

The overall shape is rather “lowered MPV” though (as opposed to attractive well proportioned medium hatchback) and not masses different to the rounded off new Focus. In fact the Tiguan actually looks more stylish.

As with all non-Performance Model Golfs (which can look dull as crap in photos) it probably needs to be seen in the flesh to appreciate the stance and styling quirks.
Or maybe this evolutionary model (as opposed to revolutionary) is actually a munter. I’m sure it’ll sell well though, there’s not exactly a shortage of 1 series about which is about as ill-proportioned as a hatchback can get.

Maybe evo1986’s comment about not waiting for a mk8 was a nod toward the fact the 8 is infact just an uglier evolution of the 7 in the flesh...    :cry:

Agreed, until we see a finished GTI on a stand then hard to pass proper comment. But that one in the latest pics does look really crap, even from a shape perspective which as you say looks shrunken mpv almost. It's an important car to get wrong so I'd be surprised if it's looks that bad at launch even in boggo trim.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 05 March 2019, 15:07
I can see a stampede for 7.5s coming if that's the mk8. I knew they'd extended the wheel base but it now just looks wrong!! I was going to wait and just go to the 8 but from this picture don't think I'll bother.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: P6GTD on 05 March 2019, 17:19
Hmmm. So if the Mk8 is available late 19 and we are hearing rumours the performance models will not be available until later in 2020 at least, does this leave a huge gap in which no new fast golfs will be available?
Or will they keep a run-out 7.5 production line open alongside the new Mk 8 one? I doubt it but .....

Incidentally, I happened to be talking to dealer today and salesman told me a 7% price rise was imminent. I’m not going to tell you what he blamed. Might just be sales talk....
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 05 March 2019, 19:06
Hmmm. So if the Mk8 is available late 19 and we are hearing rumours the performance models will not be available until later in 2020 at least, does this leave a huge gap in which no new fast golfs will be available?
Or will they keep a run-out 7.5 production line open alongside the new Mk 8 one? I doubt it but .....

Incidentally, I happened to be talking to dealer today and salesman told me a 7% price rise was imminent. I’m not going to tell you what he blamed. Might just be sales talk....

7% or 10% rises blamed on whatever are up to the consumer to reject. People just need to hold their nerve in enough numbers. The UK is a huge and hungry market so will still have significant sway in Europe.
Those that rent their cars might be over a barrel for a short time but there are other options out there.
The only way to get leeway with prices is for buyers to stand firm.

If the mk8 follows the normal pattern (the 7.5 was a FL so was different) the new Golf will be debuted at a major motor show soonish.
The factory will pull production on the mk7 before the summer shut down.
The mk8 will roll in the autumn for LHD markets first then the UK early winter.
GTI/D launched spring next year, first deliveries early summer, most coming in the autumn. The R 6-12 months later.
Who knows with VW these days though. The 7 is still selling strongly and I think will be in good demand for some time to come. I definitely can’t see 7 and 8 production  in tandem though. Unless they keep the estate/variant running a bit longer (excuse pun).



With that massive wheelbase I’d say it would be unlikely they’ll do a 3 door. The proportions surely won’t be right(?)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 06 March 2019, 11:48
No sign of the Mk8 at Geneva....  :whistle:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 06 March 2019, 13:25
Probably show up at Frankfurt in September...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 06 March 2019, 16:05
No sign of the Mk8 at Geneva....  :whistle:

Do VW have anything interesting unveiled at the Geneva show?
I can’t be arsed to google through pics of Hyundai hybrids and the latest cynical limited editions of limited edition Porsches and whatever else is on show.

I did see a pic of an electric SEAT but that’s about it.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 06 March 2019, 16:36
No sign of the Mk8 at Geneva....  :whistle:

Do VW have anything interesting unveiled at the Geneva show?
I can’t be arsed to google through pics of Hyundai hybrids and the latest cynical limited editions of limited edition Porsches and whatever else is on show.

I did see a pic of an electric SEAT but that’s about it.

Pretty sure nothing of interest - main attraction is a beach buggy from the ID range which is as pointless as rear cup holders in a Clubsport S...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 06 March 2019, 16:55
No sign of the Mk8 at Geneva....  :whistle:

Do VW have anything interesting unveiled at the Geneva show?
I can’t be arsed to google through pics of Hyundai hybrids and the latest cynical limited editions of limited edition Porsches and whatever else is on show.

I did see a pic of an electric SEAT but that’s about it.

Pretty sure nothing of interest - main attraction is a beach buggy from the ID range which is as pointless as rear cup holders in a Clubsport S...

Typical motor show fare then!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Eccie on 08 March 2019, 18:31
First images - doesn’t look much different

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-volkswagen-golf-mk8-this-is-all-of-it-1833156851?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=jalopnik_copy&utm_campaign=top
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: hog_hedge on 08 March 2019, 18:37
First images - doesn’t look much different

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-volkswagen-golf-mk8-this-is-all-of-it-1833156851?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=jalopnik_copy&utm_campaign=top

There’s still a lot of camo and missing bits of trim on that car if you zoom in. Most noticeable on the rear end around the lights, taped up reflector with a fake reflector stuck on and some sort of black bar below the rear windscreen.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 08 March 2019, 18:47
Yep, not completely undisguised, but our best look yet nonetheless. I actually quite like what i've seen so far. Bear in mind though that the car in the pictures is probably a mid-range spec car, and not a performance variant.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: hog_hedge on 08 March 2019, 20:40
Yep, not completely undisguised, but our best look yet nonetheless. I actually quite like what i've seen so far. Bear in mind though that the car in the pictures is probably a mid-range spec car, and not a performance variant.

I’m quietly confident that the Mk8 GTI will look sh!t hot.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 08 March 2019, 20:44
Yep, not completely undisguised, but our best look yet nonetheless. I actually quite like what i've seen so far. Bear in mind though that the car in the pictures is probably a mid-range spec car, and not a performance variant.

I’m quietly confident that the Mk8 GTI will look sh!t hot.

I don't think there has been an unmolested Golf GTi that I didn't like the look of. So if the Mk8 is terrible looking (I don't expect it to be), then it'd be a first for me.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 09 March 2019, 08:22
First images - doesn’t look much different

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-volkswagen-golf-mk8-this-is-all-of-it-1833156851?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=jalopnik_copy&utm_campaign=top

There’s still a lot of camo and missing bits of trim on that car if you zoom in. Most noticeable on the rear end around the lights, taped up reflector with a fake reflector stuck on and some sort of black bar below the rear windscreen.
Same pictures in Autocar and they say it's got very little camouflage on and is virtually the finished car.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Brenbo on 09 March 2019, 11:39
First images - doesn’t look much different

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-volkswagen-golf-mk8-this-is-all-of-it-1833156851?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=jalopnik_copy&utm_campaign=top
There are some elements on the pics of the MK8 on the link above which lead me to think these pics are also some kinda magazine concept art and not genuine either, as they appear as if they are badly composited in Photoshop in specific areas.  The main area of concern is the front valance on the green molding which goes around underneath and up the inside of the fog lights, the shading looks terrible and fake.  I am not trying to review someones photoshop skills here by the way, but the point I would like to make is I would rather wait until closer to the time of a potential unveiling or release before accepting what the Golf MK8 may look like as even those pics which at first appear as they are likely to be genuine are most likely not at this point in time.   
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: hog_hedge on 09 March 2019, 12:02
First images - doesn’t look much different

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-volkswagen-golf-mk8-this-is-all-of-it-1833156851?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=jalopnik_copy&utm_campaign=top

There’s still a lot of camo and missing bits of trim on that car if you zoom in. Most noticeable on the rear end around the lights, taped up reflector with a fake reflector stuck on and some sort of black bar below the rear windscreen.
Same pictures in Autocar and they say it's got very little camouflage on and is virtually the finished car.

If you zoom in on the front and rear bumpers it’s clear that they are talking sh!te.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 09 March 2019, 12:23
Two small bits on the rear bumper isn't exactly massively camouflaged. I would think the reflector lenses will probably be in that position.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 09 March 2019, 12:40
If you look very closely you can see there is also some camo around the headlights and on the front valance around the fog lights.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 09 March 2019, 12:44
By “very little camouflage” I’d say they mean no heavy panel disguises or funny paint jobs to mask the lines.
Just a few details blanked off to add some mystique before a full launch.

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 28 March 2019, 19:26
This looks plausible - and I actually quite like it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQoaAizHlvw
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Carbon VW on 28 March 2019, 19:49
The GOLF signage on the tailgate is hideous tho. That will be getting removed if it makes the final cut !
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Vwjap on 28 March 2019, 20:49
True story

I quite like the front bumper,
Although I dunno if it’s a optical illusion but they all seem to have a jump in the bonnet
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 28 March 2019, 20:57
Auto bild also have a you tube video of a lime green mk8 and it's got a different front bumper to the R in that video.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Brenbo on 29 March 2019, 08:33
That Auto Bild video looks like someone is getting a bit carried away and creative with photoshop again
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 29 March 2019, 10:44
This looks plausible - and I actually quite like it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQoaAizHlvw

What a lovely render. Someone's done a great job there. Shame it's not VW that made it  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 29 March 2019, 14:18
This looks plausible - and I actually quite like it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQoaAizHlvw

What a lovely render. Someone's done a great job there. Shame it's not VW that made it  :grin:

It is nice. At this stage though, bearing in mind the R is unlikely to be launched until some time after the mainstream mk8 Golf models, we’re likely to only see renders of the next generation R for some time to come.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: david25 on 30 March 2019, 10:34
Autocar 27th March reporting on the MK8 R PLUS model at about £45,000 380PS 3.9 0-60
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: trueblue_ips on 05 April 2019, 00:40
Great review of the Tesla 3 below.
With VW saying the Mk8 will have a digital interior with very few buttons I wonder if it's heading in the same direction as this Tesla.
The Tesla has fantastic tech but I'm not sure I like the idea of using a touchscreen for everything.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kbulCM90w8w
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 05 April 2019, 08:41
Great review of the Tesla 3 below.
With VW saying the Mk8 will have a digital interior with very few buttons I wonder if it's heading in the same direction as this Tesla.
The Tesla has fantastic tech but I'm not sure I like the idea of using a touchscreen for everything.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kbulCM90w8w

Tesla has never really had any buttons so this isn't new for them. Buttons = possible rattles which is a no-no on a fully electric car.

The Golf is most likely to follow other VAG group cars like the new A6/A8 and Tourag (below) which have gotten rid of lots of buttons but still have some buttons for main functions. They know who their customers are so it can't be too radical. Similar to how the 911 is for Porsche.

(https://i.postimg.cc/h4bZZ3kg/fullsizeoutput-35d.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: wolly440 on 05 April 2019, 10:31
Great review of the Tesla 3 below.
With VW saying the Mk8 will have a digital interior with very few buttons I wonder if it's heading in the same direction as this Tesla.
The Tesla has fantastic tech but I'm not sure I like the idea of using a touchscreen for everything.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kbulCM90w8w

Tesla has never really had any buttons so this isn't new for them. Buttons = possible rattles which is a no-no on a fully electric car.

The Golf is most likely to follow other VAG group cars like the new A6/A8 and Tourag (below) which have gotten rid of lots of buttons but still have some buttons for main functions. They know who their customers are so it can't be too radical. Similar to how the 911 is for Porsche.

(https://i.postimg.cc/h4bZZ3kg/fullsizeoutput-35d.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Are the air vents below the centre screen, behind the DSG selector? Thats gonna get hot with heater on full and you want use the selector  :whistle:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: dereks on 05 April 2019, 10:46
Looks good I think hopefully it’s similar to that.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 05 April 2019, 11:19
Not to mention the massive air vent above the glove box. Very Audi A1-esque.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 05 April 2019, 17:03
Its definitely going to be something similar to that.

Our friendly VW dealer Evo talked about the panoramic MIB unit (as an option) and both he and VW themselves talked about switches being a thing of the past too. Evo had seen the Mk8 too...

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 26 April 2019, 06:51
Evo article suggesting hybrid is back on for GTi and R and they should appear at the end of 2019

Be interesting to see what the performance models look like but I honestly think they've made a mess. Front lights look too low down and overall shape looks odd. Almost wedge-shaped.

We’ll see the first production Mk8 Golfs later this year, with deliveries expected by the end of the year. The GTI and R models are expected to appear towards the end of 2019 or early 2020, where they’ll have to deal with the next Focus ST, not to mention in-house options like the Skoda Octavia vRS and next Cupra Leon.

https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/21122/all-new-volkswagen-golf-spied-undisguised-life-for-the-focus-is-about-to-get?_mout=1&utm_campaign=evo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 26 April 2019, 09:20
I'm fairly sure that a performance trimmed one will look quite a lot better - you can see that in the Mk7.

On the other hand the headlights turn down at the outside edge, whereas the Mk7 has inward slanted lights (and I'm just staring out the window at mine at the same time).... the Mk7's light design is more aggressive and with poise.

The low droopy lights make it look like the car has been sat on and squashed.

Mind you, it looks less bad on the yellow one in those photos.

You can see how the much bigger rear end is going to create more boot space though.

Nope, clicking the photos I really don't like the front end with those lights. I know why they have done it, but I still don't like it.

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 26 April 2019, 10:17
The usual thinking would be that the MK 7 is at the end of its life cycle and the rest of the car world is overtaking it, much like where the MK 6 was, as that platform and drive was starting to become compromised in face of the competition, but think the MK 7 is still setting the curve.

The new A35 AMG for example, is a decent stab at hitting this demographic but is it any more capable than the MK7 as newly designed car? Of course there is the interior tech that is pushing that curve but for some, like me, its pushed acceptability, and hence I backed off my mild flirtation with the A35 AMG

Most head to head tests, the battle is always close and its usual subtle subjective preferences that split the cars, but the 5 year old Golf is still punching its weight against the young pretenders.

Be interesting to see how the new FWD BMW I series fairs in competition.

From what understand there will be some mild uplift on the MQB platform and most of the innovation would be on the technology and more semi and autonomous functions, which actually fills me with a little dread not excitement as its the path to governed driving that nanny state would love. - ok, maybe not that far just yet, but the MK 8 is another step.

Basically the MK 8 (now the hybrid has been dumped) will be mildly evolutionary in style and drive and the revolution will come in the tech and is that truly needed and wanted?

So the MK 7 is more than relevant still, in fact it might be the last bastion of what a performance Golf should be (particularly the clubsport) and I am personally very happy that going to be getting the TCR and if the MK8 goes as suspects, then that maybe the first time kept a car as a keeper.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 26 April 2019, 10:26
Predictions, both in terms of looks and power output, are always woefully inaccurate. Apparently the gti will get 300bhp if you believe the motoring press. Hilarious. (Must make sure I delete this if it actually  happens).  :grin:

It's got 290  :wink: so you can just about keep this post in place  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 26 April 2019, 10:40
The usual thinking would be that the MK 7 is at the end of its life cycle and the rest of the car world is overtaking it, much like where the MK 6 was, as that platform and drive was starting to become compromised in face of the competition, but think the MK 7 is still setting the curve.

The new A35 AMG for example, is a decent stab at hitting this demographic but is it any more capable than the MK7 as newly designed car? Of course there is the interior tech that is pushing that curve but for some, like me, its pushed acceptability, and hence I backed off my mild flirtation with the A35 AMG

Most head to head tests, the battle is always close and its usual subtle subjective preferences that split the cars, but the 5 year old Golf is still punching its weight against the young pretenders.

Be interesting to see how the new FWD BMW I series fairs in competition.

From what understand there will be some mild uplift on the MQB platform and most of the innovation would be on the technology and more semi and autonomous functions, which actually fills me with a little dread not excitement as its the path to governed driving that nanny state would love. - ok, maybe not that far just yet, but the MK 8 is another step.

Basically the MK 8 (now the hybrid has been dumped) will be mildly evolutionary in style and drive and the revolution will come in the tech and is that truly needed and wanted?

So the MK 7 is more than relevant still, in fact it might be the last bastion of what a performance Golf should be (particularly the clubsport) and I am personally very happy that going to be getting the TCR and if the MK8 goes as suspects, then that maybe the first time kept a car as a keeper.

The Evo article still suggests hybrid is back on:

The core of this new performance will be the adoption of a new 48V hybrid system. As well as supporting fuel-saving technology such as engine-off coasting and an integrated starter motor and generator, the 48V system will potentially allow VW to include electrically-driven turbochargers to improve performance on models such as the GTI and R.


Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 26 April 2019, 11:06
Be interesting to see how the new FWD BMW I series fairs in competition.

No DSG, that stupid BMW thing where every model has to have the same massive BMW bonnet and lack of interior space... no, I doubt I'd like the new one any more than the old one.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 26 April 2019, 11:15
As for the Mk8 tech.... I like tech! Give me more tech!

Most of my Golf use is really boring driving, its not a toy. Automate as much of that as possible and I'll be a happy bunny.

I already chose my first Mk7 because of the tech. At the time it was far in advance of the competition and the standard package on the GTD was perfect for me. The Mk7.5... even more so.

No, bring it on I say.

I am a little nervous in that my next car probably aligns with the Mk8 availability.... that's going to be interesting as for sure its going to have some teething troubles which I doubt will be readily fixable - VW and their dealers don't deal with software problems too well and seem reluctant to make updates available or even documented.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 26 April 2019, 12:38
I'm already looking at other cars instead of looking forward forward to the mk8. It looks odd and out of proportion and I think even the GTi or R versions won't save it. The issue is though what else is around that can replace a Dec 2016 Golf GTi PP? A last of line 7.5 GTi, last of line R, TCR? Polo GTi? Hyundai i30n performance, a35 AMG, Leon Cupra. I know it definitely won't be a focus as thats even fuglier than the mk8. Anyone with any other ideas?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 26 April 2019, 14:08
I'm already looking at other cars instead of looking forward forward to the mk8. It looks odd and out of proportion and I think even the GTi or R versions won't save it. The issue is though what else is around that can replace a Dec 2016 Golf GTi PP? A last of line 7.5 GTi, last of line R, TCR? Polo GTi? Hyundai i30n performance, a35 AMG, Leon Cupra. I know it definitely won't be a focus as thats even fuglier than the mk8. Anyone with any other ideas?

Yeah, I don't think the GTI or R will save it as from what I can see they've changed basic shape massively so bigger wheels, vents, grills etc won't help in that respect.

My company lease finishes next May/June so I'd either try and buy my current one or will be looking at car allowance and purchasing something like an '18 plate S4, 440i GC, 540i as do fancy something a bit bigger next.

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 26 April 2019, 14:20
Its an interesting question...

My thoughts:

Maybe I30N - maybe.... there are some extra bits coming to that later in 2019 - DSG with ACC for example. But I need to drive one to see if the people who say its a bit harsh are right or not (its very subjective!). I saw one outside the pub last night, it looks lovely actually... value I suspect will fall like a stone though.

Maybe Civic Type R - maybe - I'm sure its great, but I want DSG (its manual only but offers ACC)  and I am still not sure if at my age I want a Halford's special... it is slightly extreme looking.

Things I don't want:

A Focus - its like the 1990's have come back, regardless of model or trim. I'm sure it drives well but yuk!

A SEAT - nope thats just not doing it for me. Too small, too plastic.

A Skoda - unfavourable pricing/finance rates and lack of included features makes it expensive compared to a Golf

A BMW 1 series - didn't like it so far, unlikely to like it again for a whole host of reasons.

Audi anything - I can't afford it with options and I'm not spending best part of 35k on a thing without gadgets.

I suspect that I might either end up with another Golf (maybe even a last gasp Mk7.5) or ditch the hatch thing and buy a CR-V or something
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 26 April 2019, 14:37

A SEAT - nope thats just not doing it for me. Too small, too plastic.


 :grin: Isn't the Leon longer than the Golf with a slightly bigger wheelbase?!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 26 April 2019, 14:40

A SEAT - nope thats just not doing it for me. Too small, too plastic.


 :grin: Isn't the Leon longer than the Golf with a slightly bigger wheelbase?!

Maybe its changed, but 2 years ago when I was looking for something to replace my Mk7 it was small inside and it was plastic.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 26 April 2019, 17:37
The i30N performance has the adaptive dampers on it and i must say it felt a lot more sturdier than the golf with dcc.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: MKgti on 26 April 2019, 18:09

A SEAT - nope thats just not doing it for me. Too small, too plastic.


 :grin: Isn't the Leon longer than the Golf with a slightly bigger wheelbase?!
Might be longer but feels more cramped inside, Leon's A pillar lower and boot seems smaller.
I know because I used to have an FR and just had one as a loaner when my GTI was having the dent repaired after a kind old lady reversed into it!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Splashalot on 27 April 2019, 03:29
The i30N performance has the adaptive dampers on it and i must say it felt a lot more study 6 than the golf with dcc.

Pardon?  :smiley: 

Apparently the i30n hatch will adopt the fastback's slightly softer suspension tune at the next facelift (2020, from memory).  May well be a good alternative for those of us alienated by the mk8 Golf's move to technology overkill.  I'll probably end up keeping my 7.5 long term, or alternatively consider the i30n.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 27 April 2019, 08:24
With softer suspension the i30N will be a great car. Just don’t sit in one then a golf straight after. It’s better inside than I thought it’d be but not a patch on the Gti/R. Unless the Mk8 is a disaster of course.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 27 April 2019, 08:38
Most of the switches look exactly the same in the i30N as they do in the golf. I wouldn't say the suspension is softer either (it was the fastback I test drove). You don't get any suspension knocking over bumps and ruts and it just feels a well built car. The biggest issue for me is mpg. Bumped into a chap at a petrol station who had one and got talking to him about his i30N. He said on a good day driving sensibly he was lucky to top 27mpg and when driven not sensibly was seeing 15mpg!!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 27 April 2019, 08:39
The i30N performance has the adaptive dampers on it and i must say it felt a lot more study 6 than the golf with dcc.

Pardon?  :smiley: 

Apparently the i30n hatch will adopt the fastback's slightly softer suspension tune at the next facelift (2020, from memory).  May well be a good alternative for those of us alienated by the mk8 Golf's move to technology overkill.  I'll probably end up keeping my 7.5 long term, or alternatively consider the i30n.
damn auto correct  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 27 April 2019, 08:55
Most of the switches look exactly the same in the i30N as they do in the golf. I wouldn't say the suspension is softer either (it was the fastback I test drove). You don't get any suspension knocking over bumps and ruts and it just feels a well built car. The biggest issue for me is mpg. Bumped into a chap at a petrol station who had one and got talking to him about his i30N. He said on a good day driving sensibly he was lucky to top 27mpg and when driven not sensibly was seeing 15mpg!!

Meant that the suspension is supposed to be softer in the 2020 car from the previous post. Thought this would help as I found it far too firm for me. Much firmer than my R. Agree the the switches seem good, as good as Vw but the artificial leather is poor. At least they’re open about it though.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 27 April 2019, 10:00
I actually thought the seats were really comfy and found a comfortable driving position easier than my golf. The fastback suspension was spot on I thought.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 27 April 2019, 10:21
I actually thought the seats were really comfy and found a comfortable driving position easier than my golf. The fastback suspension was spot on I thought.

They’re definitely comfy. Very supportive. Just felt the material was poor, especially considering the car isn’t exactly cheap on pcp.  Be interesting to see how prices hold.

Good to hear that the sportback suspension is between than the hatch. It’s definitely an option next time I think.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 27 April 2019, 11:22
Yes was surprised how expensive the figures were considering you can get a brand new one for around the 24k mark. My local dealer was dreadful too so won't be going back to them. It's just the poor mpg that's putting me off and makes a 7.5 R a bit more attractive.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 09 May 2019, 09:40
I'm already looking at other cars instead of looking forward forward to the mk8. It looks odd and out of proportion and I think even the GTi or R versions won't save it. The issue is though what else is around that can replace a Dec 2016 Golf GTi PP? A last of line 7.5 GTi, last of line R, TCR? Polo GTi? Hyundai i30n performance, a35 AMG, Leon Cupra. I know it definitely won't be a focus as thats even fuglier than the mk8. Anyone with any other ideas?

The Focus ST has been revealed - 280bhp for £32k. Must say, looks ok bit doesn't look particularly great inside from a tech perspective. Don't think it would be on my list next. Think it's a case of wait and see for the Performance versions of the Mk8 as they might look good..

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-eurocars/2019-ford-focus-st-gets-280hp--update/39640?fbclid=IwAR3c-cHOb16LGBtivdinUga564RWnL7HpgzEZMoL8nZkm_nw4K0Wvee1DX4
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 09 May 2019, 10:07
The i30N performance has the adaptive dampers on it and i must say it felt a lot more study 6 than the golf with dcc.

Pardon?  :smiley: 

Apparently the i30n hatch will adopt the fastback's slightly softer suspension tune at the next facelift (2020, from memory).  May well be a good alternative for those of us alienated by the mk8 Golf's move to technology overkill.  I'll probably end up keeping my 7.5 long term, or alternatively consider the i30n.

Saw my first 130n in the flesh at the weekend and quite impressed on first impressions, it looked solidly built, has a decent style and though not ever really liked the colour in photos, it looks much nicer in the flesh and suiting that its the performance model
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 09 May 2019, 10:55
I'm already looking at other cars instead of looking forward forward to the mk8. It looks odd and out of proportion and I think even the GTi or R versions won't save it. The issue is though what else is around that can replace a Dec 2016 Golf GTi PP? A last of line 7.5 GTi, last of line R, TCR? Polo GTi? Hyundai i30n performance, a35 AMG, Leon Cupra. I know it definitely won't be a focus as thats even fuglier than the mk8. Anyone with any other ideas?

The Focus ST has been revealed - 280bhp for £32k. Must say, looks ok bit doesn't look particularly great inside from a tech perspective. Don't think it would be on my list next. Think it's a case of wait and see for the Performance versions of the Mk8 as they might look good..

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-eurocars/2019-ford-focus-st-gets-280hp--update/39640?fbclid=IwAR3c-cHOb16LGBtivdinUga564RWnL7HpgzEZMoL8nZkm_nw4K0Wvee1DX4

Urgh, as horrible as ever.

Two things that will definitely suck with the Focus:

1) The interior and tech will be ten years out of date minimum
2) The fuel economy will be dreadful (its actually one of the least spoken about aspects of VW's 2.0l turbos - all that performance and 40mpg is definitely still possible!).

Oh and chavs will try to steal your Focus soon as look at it and Ford security has been dreadful since time began. (I've had Fords stolen too many times in the past)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: gizzywizzy on 09 May 2019, 12:24
Plasticky cheap inside as ever with Ford, the looks of that dissuade me from even looking down the ST route!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Crezzer on 09 May 2019, 12:32
Hard to disagree with those 2 points! Both true in my experience having owned a few STs and now a 7.5 GTI

However, the man driving the focus ST will definitely:

1) Be having more fun driving his ST than us in our Golfs
2) have instant acceleration in any gear at any revs rather then us having to wait half a day for the power to come on in our golfs
3) have a manual clutch that wont melt
4) be able to accelerate decently under 3500 rpm

Dont get me wrong I believe the Golf is the better car but it's quite some distance off being as good as a fast Ford in purely hot hatch driving experience in my opinion. The golf is better in all other aspects though.

Depends what your looking for I guess. I wouldn't right the focus off just yet...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 09 May 2019, 12:34
Plasticky cheap inside as ever with Ford, the looks of that dissuade me from even looking down the ST route!

I did a cursory run around all the garages and the only car the created any mild interest was the new A35 AMG but it became a bit marmite, however the Fords were the worst that sat in, or should say briefly sat in, as was instantly climbing out again - Quite like the external styling but you spend most time in the cabin not walking up to it and like you say its cheap materials
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 09 May 2019, 12:48
Hard to disagree with those 2 points! Both true in my experience having owned a few STs and now a 7.5 GTI

However, the man driving the focus ST will definitely:

1) Be having more fun driving his ST than us in our Golfs
2) have instant acceleration in any gear at any revs rather then us having to wait half a day for the power to come on in our golfs
3) have a manual clutch that wont melt
4) be able to accelerate decently under 3500 rpm

Dont get me wrong I believe the Golf is the better car but it's quite some distance off being as good as a fast Ford in purely hot hatch driving experience in my opinion. The golf is better in all other aspects though.

Depends what your looking for I guess. I wouldn't right the focus off just yet...

Styling is good and they obviously drive really well so why do they go so cheap in the cabin to turn the more discerning buyer off, the ones who place cabin experience quite high.

But do get what saying, if performance is your thing and maybe some of the focus other driving virtues you will likely overlook the cabin much more than those like most of us where cabin quality matters - does to me and thats a shame as its not the Ford badge that puts me off, I like the style and likely the drive from what everyone else says, but that interior quality will always alienate me
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 09 May 2019, 13:15
I suppose the thing is, nobody would spend getting on for 40k on a Focus ST. The cuts have to come somewhere.

I am absolutely sure that it drives superbly (as would the Megane too!), but both the interior and stupid fuel costs would make it a no-no for me.

I don't care about the badge though - I don't even care much about the VW one on my own car. Its not about snobbishness, its just about a car that is a nice place to be for all the hundreds of hours I spend in it AND doesn't break the bank.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 09 May 2019, 13:42
I suppose the thing is, nobody would spend getting on for 40k on a Focus ST. The cuts have to come somewhere.

I am absolutely sure that it drives superbly (as would the Megane too!), but both the interior and stupid fuel costs would make it a no-no for me.

I don't care about the badge though - I don't even care much about the VW one on my own car. Its not about snobbishness, its just about a car that is a nice place to be for all the hundreds of hours I spend in it AND doesn't break the bank.

And thats what think people overlook continually, that its about the badge, its always been about the car to me, if the car stacks up against my requirements or close to, then it gets a serious look - was just thinking and we have had BMW vauxhall, Mini Ford, Rover Nissan MG Audi and VW in all our years of car ownership and each was taken on face value of being the best car for me at the time and that would be same now and sure some companies defend their loss of sales to Audi, BMW etc as buyers chasing the badge, but if they produced a car that met the standard folk would get to know and genuine interest would come - as it is, there is always some corner cut somewhere and you tend to stay with the better product (thats not to say VW etc have not cut corners on trim in recent times to save a few pennies)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 09 May 2019, 14:39
My cars have been Ford, Vauxhall, Renault, Nissan, Honda... and recently VW. Were they all sh1t buckets? Some were, but they were the right choices for my budgets.

Do I dream of owning a BMW M? Yes, I guess I do, but more about the power than the badge. I can't afford to run it though even if I could afford to own it!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 09 May 2019, 16:06
Think this likely applies to all cars you tune and tweak but a tweaked i30N grabbing some attention at Goodwood

https://caffeineandmachine.com/project-hoondai-step-2-take-a-deep-breath/
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 09 May 2019, 17:02
The I30N does sound epic in that link.... whether I could live with it as a daily though...

And that's why Golf GTI's are loved - because they aren't hardcore. They are nice road cars with no vices that are just as happy tootling to the supermarket or sitting in traffic as they are being ragged.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Yusee on 09 May 2019, 17:36
The I30N does sound epic in that link.... whether I could live with it as a daily though...

And that's why Golf GTI's are loved - because they aren't hardcore. They are nice road cars with no vices that are just as happy tootling to the supermarket or sitting in traffic as they are being ragged.

Agree. A hot hatch is a day to day car first and foremost. Most of the other hot hatches are too firm riding for daily use on UK roads. The golf is also a brilliant drive- it's the best hot hatch.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 10 May 2019, 09:33
The I30N does sound epic in that link.... whether I could live with it as a daily though...

And that's why Golf GTI's are loved - because they aren't hardcore. They are nice road cars with no vices that are just as happy tootling to the supermarket or sitting in traffic as they are being ragged.

Agree. A hot hatch is a day to day car first and foremost. Most of the other hot hatches are too firm riding for daily use on UK roads. The golf is also a brilliant drive- it's the best hot hatch.

Its what said a few times, the Golf GTI/R is first car where not had to compromise comfort for performance and vice versa and though its seen there are more extreme performance cars out there, its usually with compromise and for your main demographic of driving that becomes tiresome,

Its great I can press the comfort button and have the DSG and Auto Hold do all the work for me on a slow commute and cruise a motorway in complete comfort and at the press of a button have the firmer suspension and steering when road is there to push along.

Sure we all been there and hence chose the GTI/R as the pure performance car in them situations simply becomes tiring and you fall out of love with it

So when I see a journo piece praising the merits of some cars performance I am always thinking thats great where you are driving it, I get it, but its still not a Golf GTI/R
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 10 May 2019, 11:00
And you equally see all of the children commenting on any reviews of a Golf saying "why do people always conclude that the golf is best? its not the most powerful or the fastest lap times, why is it the best? you are all paid shills of VW!".... its because very few people want a racing car... and a lot of the people saying they do, have never actually driven a racing car....
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: gizzywizzy on 10 May 2019, 12:09
The I30N does sound epic in that link.... whether I could live with it as a daily though...

And that's why Golf GTI's are loved - because they aren't hardcore. They are nice road cars with no vices that are just as happy tootling to the supermarket or sitting in traffic as they are being ragged.

I fully agree, I’m not in a GTI but I have owned an 09 plate mk6 GTI  and now a mk7 GT but the GTI as you say is so versatile, if you want a pocket rocket it will deliver but if you want a run to Sainsbury’s with the family for a big shop it delivers on that as well.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Brenbo on 10 May 2019, 12:12
I agree with the sentiments that Golf GTI/R is not just about performance.  Also in a few years time owning the fastest Hot Hatch will not mean as much when the EU regs insist limiters are fitted to cars destined for the EU and UK.  Then it will come down to how much of an alll rounder a car can be as performance will not be much of a factor when you have a limiter throttling the performance out of the car if you get close to the speed limit.  Maybe then those who choose a new car purely on 0-60mph figures will start to choose a car for being an all rounder and whether it is a nice place be in while driving.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 10 May 2019, 12:17
I read somewhere the proposed limiters can be switched off - a bit like being able to toggle start/stop.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Brenbo on 10 May 2019, 12:52
I also read that would be the case to start then they will try to impose a regulation for the limiters to be on permanently.  I also the limiters will auto start when you start the car even though you turned it off on the last time you drove the car.  Which could get a bit annoying.  The other thing to be weary of , is the data loggers being fitted.  I understand some cars may already have such devices fitted as i knew a territory manager at work who mentioned a few years ago his BMW had data such as speeds etc, recorded to the key.   
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 10 May 2019, 12:53
Just have to keep our GTIs for the next 25 years then and sod the lot of them!  :evil:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 10 May 2019, 15:00
The reason most of us are here is because we don’t want the most focussed hot hatch and neither do we want something dull as dishwater. So we buy the best all-rounder which is still the GTI/TCR/R/CS (etc).

It’s no guarantee the mk8 will be as desirable to hot hatch fans as the current amazing all-rounder the mk7 is so even some of us dyed in the wool VW types do keep half an eye on the opposition.
A lot of mentions of the i30N in here and I’ve seen a good few now. Most are in the lovely signature light blue, but just to confirm how handsome a car it is I saw a dark grey one last week. I have to hand it to Hyundai they’ve done a great job on the looks and sound of the car for the money.
I saw a slightly uglier looking fastback version in Sainsburys car park last week which still looked well proportioned.
It’s certainly an option if VW’s next incarnation of GTI is as much of a disappointment as the mk3 and mk4 GTI’s were in their day.
The i30N will probably steal more Focus ST sales than VW I’d imagine.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 10 May 2019, 15:04
Hyundai’s can be the most amazing car in the world, ever. But I still wouldn’t buy one if the interior is made from recycled yoghurt pots. That’s something VAG has over most other brands too.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 10 May 2019, 15:11
Hyundai’s can be the most amazing car in the world, ever. But I still wouldn’t buy one if the interior is made from recycled yoghurt pots. That’s something VAG has over most other brands too.

That’s part of the reason I can see more Ford ST buyers heading to the i30N than VW types.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 10 May 2019, 15:35
Yes. They don’t know what they’re missing if they’ve never had it.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 10 May 2019, 15:39
Hyundai’s can be the most amazing car in the world, ever. But I still wouldn’t buy one if the interior is made from recycled yoghurt pots. That’s something VAG has over most other brands too.

Tbh the i40n was far better inside than I expected. I seriously thought about moving from the S3 to one of it hadn’t been for the ride quality which I believe is better in the updated model.

But, I sat in one then went to Vw literally 2 mins away and that’s when you see the difference.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 10 May 2019, 15:45
That’s part of the reason I can see more Ford ST buyers heading to the i30N than VW types.

Meh interior and poor mpg.... no wonder you say Focus ST drivers might find them attractive :D
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 16 May 2019, 12:31
Undisguised pictures of the ‘buttonless’ mk8 Golf instrumentation and infotainment screens (plus mk8 exterior shots that I think have been seen before by most);

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/89537/volkswagen-golf-mk8-tech-secrets-pictures

Looks like dashboard and centre console buttons and rotary dials/knobs for most functions have been consigned to history.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Brenbo on 16 May 2019, 13:34
Not sure about the middle dash screen design, it looks like its bolted on like an addon to the dash rather than being a part of the dash.  Much prefer the smooth lines of the MK7 centre dash where the screen is sunken in to the dash.  We will have to see what the final production version of the Golf MK8 looks like when it reaches the motorshows?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 16 May 2019, 13:45
I'm not sure the photos of the real life thing show it in its final config, but its not far off the computer image - which is a real VW one, I've seen that before.

Probably could get a better idea by looking up the VW range if any of them already have this style of angled centre display... I think one or more do.

The angled display is the new thing and it kinda has to be because of the new functions which are controlled via it need to be driver centric. A flat panel like the Mk7 isn't what you need.

BTW I assume that as well as a Mk8 golf there will be a new A3, Octavia and SEAT? Any photos of them yet?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 16 May 2019, 16:30
Here you go, on the toe-rag it looks like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzlRUVHlomU

I'd expect nothing different tbh.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 16 May 2019, 16:34
Why have the positioned the headlights so low?! Really looks like they have massively cocked up the overall shape of the car from the front/side view and can't really see how the performance models will alter that...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mr.Edge1974 on 16 May 2019, 16:42
Yes youre right im beginning to dread what the finished car will look like  :shocked:but i'm sure it wil;l look good just longer and wider !!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 16 May 2019, 16:44
Its partly to make it look like the rest of the VW range and partly I am sure to do with new safety standards for pedestrian impact...

BTW you can see even more about the new infotainment in this video (from 8:38):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SS5vg07paw

Haters gonna hate...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 16 May 2019, 16:55
Yeah I don’t mind the interior (3rd photo anyway) but the outside looks really meh.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 16 May 2019, 18:23
BTW I assume that as well as a Mk8 golf there will be a new A3, Octavia and SEAT? Any photos of them yet?

Leon

https://uk.motor1.com/news/342177/2020-seat-leon-spy-photos/

A3

https://uk.motor1.com/news/320088/2020-audi-a3-s3-spied/

Octavia

https://uk.motor1.com/news/314762/new-skoda-octavia-launch-2019/
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: gizzywizzy on 16 May 2019, 19:20
Just hope it looks better in the flesh!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: BobbyT on 16 May 2019, 19:55
The new A3 looks really good
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 16 May 2019, 19:59
The new A3 looks really good

Shhh. I got fed up waiting and bought the mk 7.5 GTI.

Although given Audi’s current pricing, expect a decent spec A3 to be at least 35k - and that’ll just be an S-Line 1.4. Add some options at £500/£1000 a pop and it soon adds up.  And for what? Four rings and some slightly nicer plastics on the doors?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 16 May 2019, 20:09
All of those new vag cars have low bonnets and lights... It's more than just a style cue, it's got to be a eu directive.... The focus is like that too
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 16 May 2019, 20:13
Brexit!  Ah... but no decent British brands. And the VAGs will be more expensive. Oh bugger.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 17 May 2019, 10:59
All of those new vag cars have low bonnets and lights... It's more than just a style cue, it's got to be a eu directive.... The focus is like that too

The Leon and A3 don't look as low as the Golf. The Leon looks pretty normal. The Golf looks a bad Astra. I'm certainly not holding out much hope for the GTI models. The shape is massively wrong in my eyes. Could well be the worst looking Golf they've made. Anyone waiting should get themselves a Mk7.5 now!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: CHB100 on 17 May 2019, 11:38
I have to say the A3 in 5 door trim has always lagged behind the Golf visually from day one. However, I fear that is about to change. I will for sure be wrapping mine in cotton wool for some time to come.
The Mk4 was boring but early shots of the Mk8 (the rear end !!) do not look promising, accepting the fact that low spec models tend to look flat anyway. Maybe the GTI / R will add those extra bits to mask what appears to be a very poor overall design? What have they been doing for the last 6 years? Being different from the previous model doesn't always mean better.
Ironically I think the latest Polo looks far nicer.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 17 May 2019, 13:19
I was looking at the new BMW 1 series spy shots earlier - that actually looks more Golf like than the Mk8 does so far... coincidence?

But I hated the old 1 series and the new one is based on the FWD platform of the utterly rubbish 2 series.

I think I might not even both to go look!

I've still got just under a year to chose the next Fredmobile :D
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 17 May 2019, 14:01
I've just been to look at the A35 this morning. Feels very premium inside which I suppose it should be considering how much it is  :whistle:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 17 May 2019, 15:39
The A35 can be picked up with similar discounts to a Golf R. I think the spec isn’t as good as far as gadgets go but probably has leather interior to offset the lack of other toys. The A35 is more of an S3 rival than Golf R, chasing the badge image.
The interior of the A35 is really stylish. I reckon the next S3 will be very similar inside and looking at those Golf 8 interior shots, once the screens have been integrated more and they’ve stuck on a huge plastic fascia like on the Polo across the passenger side (the shape of the dash looks like that was the design brief) it’ll look less dowdy and Passat like.

As for the exterior, well Honda have shoved loads of computer game styled bits of plastic all over the Civic to disguise a very blobby body and Ford have made a plain but ok looking previous model look horrid so VW don’t have a lot to worry about. If BMW can sell/lease zillions of hideously ugly current 1 series cars easily enough then obviously looks don’t matter, just image and toys.

As said here often enough, the new MQB Polo, A1 and Ibiza are damn near Golf sized now and drive really well plus all look really good (maybe the Polo the worst of the bunch except in GTI trim with Brescias). These models do offer slightly more affordable prices if you choose spec level wisely and consider what you actually need rather than just ticking boxes. Plus they still offer a bit of driver involvement which might be becoming unfashionable but is important to people that actually still enjoy driving.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 17 May 2019, 21:41
http://dailyqout.com/volkswagen-golf-8-r-to-be-unveiled-in-2020-with-245-kw-2/
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 18 May 2019, 08:17
http://dailyqout.com/volkswagen-golf-8-r-to-be-unveiled-in-2020-with-245-kw-2/

That rear-end render looks sorted to me. I like. The R model will probably drop the G  O   L  F  badge though. That will make the rear look even cleaner and less cluttered - typography wise. I really like the separated quad pipes, even though quad pipes on a 2 litre 4 pot is OTT. Still prefer the GTI set up.

245kW / 328 bhp sounds plausible too.

What troubles me most is the new Mk8 front end. The light clusters make the whole car look cheery, droopy and non aggressive. I hope they find a way to resolve this on the performance models.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 18 May 2019, 14:37
All models will have GOLF on the back, it's the new style. The R won't be any different I wouldn't have thought. Probably a cost option to remove too.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: CHB100 on 19 May 2019, 17:45
I doubt the standard R will have that quad exhaust set up, it's too much like the aftermarket Akrapovic set up at £2+K. G O L F is a def a no no.
Also, the grill/headlight top bonnet/wing line is too straight!! With no deviation at headlights.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 20 May 2019, 09:15
http://dailyqout.com/volkswagen-golf-8-r-to-be-unveiled-in-2020-with-245-kw-2/

That rear-end render looks sorted to me. I like. The R model will probably drop the G  O   L  F  badge though. That will make the rear look even cleaner and less cluttered - typography wise. I really like the separated quad pipes, even though quad pipes on a 2 litre 4 pot is OTT. Still prefer the GTI set up.

245kW / 328 bhp sounds plausible too.

What troubles me most is the new Mk8 front end. The light clusters make the whole car look cheery, droopy and non aggressive. I hope they find a way to resolve this on the performance models.

It's a render based on a current Golf R with the Akra exhaust. It's not real!

I also doubt the performance models with have the massive GOLF logo either but then PORSCHE has done it the massive badge overload on the 991 generations car so anything is possible.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 20 May 2019, 09:49
I've just been to look at the A35 this morning. Feels very premium inside which I suppose it should be considering how much it is  :whistle:

I seriously looked at the A35 AMG when was selecting my changeover from the R and there is a lot to like

Really like the styling myself, but the Aerodynamic Pack is a must as it looks very plain without it and the packs in general are a problem, as to have some of the items you would wish, you have to option them (such as the twin 10" screens) and its minimum the middle premium pack to bring car to a level likely seeking and even then you are likely forsaking the media pack

Have been on the AMG forum for a few months now, long before the first one landed and now they are arriving the consensus is that the adaptive suspension is an absolute must as the standard set up is just too firm.

The main feedback at the moment seems to be build quality in terms of creeks and squeaks, and a variety of random ghost error messages that come and go.

Seems that its a good drivers car though and seemingly very comparable to the R - Its 300 BHP AWD so no surprise there really and all more than enough for a satisfying real world drive, along with some nice, but not over the top exhaust notes.

I went to see the one in the local dealer many times, in monsoon grey and with the Aerodynamic Pack and always walked away liking it, but not loving it and think that was because that despite the wow factor of the interior on first look it did start to go all PS 4 and Formula 1 2019 on me, and also, I was not overly impressed with some of the switches, they had a plastic coated chrome cheap feel.

The interior is a huge lift over the outgoing A series which hated

Think its more than a decent stab by Mercedes to hit a market that the A45 AMG was too rich for and sure the facelift version would be a great car to select as some of the early issues are ironed out and some of the options that like maybe become standard.

The main blocker for me was not the actual car, think I would have been very happy with it despite some of the early feedback it was the price, as even being quite careful and sticking to what I felt was must have to make car attractive to me, I easily broke £41,000

At the time, my choice had narrowed to A35 AMG vs staying with a Golf R and had already decided the Golf R on this time around had won, with the feeling that it was a car at the top of the curve - However the GTI TCR then surfaced and though its not really a direct competition to either due to the lack of AWD, the heritage pull won me over as if did not scratch that itch now it would likely be never.

In summary, the A35 AMG is a genuine choice, Mercedes have pitched it well


Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 20 May 2019, 11:28
I think £40k+ is likely to be the price point of the Mk8 R (if it ever happens!)

Which instantly makes it expensive to own because of enhanced VED.

There's no escalator in the 40k threshold seemingly either. I guess the idea is that eventually even modest cars are charged it...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 20 May 2019, 12:12
I think £40k+ is likely to be the price point of the Mk8 R (if it ever happens!)

Which instantly makes it expensive to own because of enhanced VED.

There's no escalator in the 40k threshold seemingly either. I guess the idea is that eventually even modest cars are charged it...

That £41, 000 was me being relatively restrained, you can easily top out £45,000

You would hope that VED limit gets lifted to 45,000 as it will eventually affect more and more sales the closer cars creep towards it.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 20 May 2019, 12:56
I also doubt the performance models with have the massive GOLF logo either but then PORSCHE has done it the massive badge overload on the 991 generations car so anything is possible.

They've already done it on the T-Roc R, so anything is certainly possible.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 20 May 2019, 14:23
It'll probably be a cost option to remove large letters from the rear.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 20 May 2019, 14:26
I also doubt the performance models with have the massive GOLF logo either but then PORSCHE has done it the massive badge overload on the 991 generations car so anything is possible.

They've already done it on the T-Roc R, so anything is certainly possible.

That's true actually. I've almost discounted the Mk8 being an option for me next anyway!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 20 May 2019, 14:28
What's on your list next Jim if the mk8 is off?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 20 May 2019, 14:40
I can't believe a change to the letters on the boot can really put you off a car you might have bought otherwise, but hey, each to their own!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mike roberts on 20 May 2019, 14:43
The can’t believe Auto Express’s German cousin is being held as a factual information source. Only the Sunday Sport is better known for making stuff up  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 20 May 2019, 14:46
What's on your list next Jim if the mk8 is off?

Sort of depends but looking like I'd opt out of company car and buy something 18 months or so old. Quite fancy AWD and maybe a bit more space. But then the Golf is pretty practical. So a few ideas are:
'17 S4 or S5 Sportback
'16 RS3 - just purely for the noise!
'18 Cupra ST such as the Carbon one
Or a Golf R, maybe a used TCR if it was sensible money, older but well spec'd CS40 or possibly even buy mine if possible and do a few mods!

But a lot can change in a year!

:grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 20 May 2019, 14:48
I can't believe a change to the letters on the boot can really put you off a car you might have bought otherwise, but hey, each to their own!

I have pretty much discounted the Mk8 as the shape looks horrendous!! Maybe the GTI/R will be ok but it's not like the headlights will change position and they are just far too low down.

Debadging is a 5 min job anyway!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: DTX3 on 06 June 2019, 13:39
Even throwing on some Brescias and bumpers (apologies for dodgy photoshop) don't make much difference  :sad:

(https://i.imgur.com/16e8L9el.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IjN5W9O.jpg)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: david25 on 06 June 2019, 18:20
I also doubt the performance models with have the massive GOLF logo either but then PORSCHE has done it the massive badge overload on the 991 generations car so anything is possible.

They've already done it on the T-Roc R, so anything is certainly possible.

Its the current fashion

(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/GOxgJ/s3/2019-ford-focus-side-by-side.jpg)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 07 June 2019, 13:57
The Mk8 Golf R will need a good tweak on power... Merc are bashing out the horsies on their 2lt Turbo.. 415hp!!!

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mercedes/cla/106759/mercedes-amg-cla-45-s-power-output-confirmed-and-it-s-a-big-one?fbclid=IwAR10P2Yft3oW_b1payHaEdX7m3cWf8SjGriJZHtX2p0tuuejtjUhOf87ERY
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Will2018 on 07 June 2019, 19:02
The Mk8 Golf R will need a good tweak on power... Merc are bashing out the horsies on their 2lt Turbo.. 415hp!!!

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mercedes/cla/106759/mercedes-amg-cla-45-s-power-output-confirmed-and-it-s-a-big-one?fbclid=IwAR10P2Yft3oW_b1payHaEdX7m3cWf8SjGriJZHtX2p0tuuejtjUhOf87ERY

The A45 isn't competing with the Golf R. It's more of an Audi RS3 rival. The new Mercedes A35 AMG has been brought in to compete with the R/S3 etc. I imagine the new R will come with a modest power bump of 30bhp or so.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: wolly440 on 07 June 2019, 21:09
The Mk8 Golf R will need a good tweak on power... Merc are bashing out the horsies on their 2lt Turbo.. 415hp!!!

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mercedes/cla/106759/mercedes-amg-cla-45-s-power-output-confirmed-and-it-s-a-big-one?fbclid=IwAR10P2Yft3oW_b1payHaEdX7m3cWf8SjGriJZHtX2p0tuuejtjUhOf87ERY

The S version is gonna cost serious money, way above the cost of any Golf. So if your gonna compare apples with apple, choose the A35 to the mk8 R
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 08 June 2019, 13:00
The Mk8 Golf R will need a good tweak on power... Merc are bashing out the horsies on their 2lt Turbo.. 415hp!!!

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mercedes/cla/106759/mercedes-amg-cla-45-s-power-output-confirmed-and-it-s-a-big-one?fbclid=IwAR10P2Yft3oW_b1payHaEdX7m3cWf8SjGriJZHtX2p0tuuejtjUhOf87ERY

The S version is gonna cost serious money, way above the cost of any Golf. So if your gonna compare apples with apple, choose the A35 to the mk8 R

Yes, agreed it’s a higher price level in S form to the Golf R but starting from around £45k for entry level with 380hp so not a huge amount more than a well spec’d current R and no doubt Mk8 will be more expensive which closes the gap further on price. 

My point was more that it’s pretty amazing that they have built a new more efficient engine and managed to get 415hp from a 2lt Turbo.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Primerdriver on 17 June 2019, 23:53
This is starting to look better https://www.carscoops.com/2019/06/2020-vw-golf-mk8-deliveries-must-start-at-the-end-of-the-year/
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 18 June 2019, 08:28
This is starting to look better https://www.carscoops.com/2019/06/2020-vw-golf-mk8-deliveries-must-start-at-the-end-of-the-year/
those pics have been around for months. They still haven't improved with age 😂
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Brenbo on 18 June 2019, 08:41
This is starting to look better https://www.carscoops.com/2019/06/2020-vw-golf-mk8-deliveries-must-start-at-the-end-of-the-year/
those pics have been around for months. They still haven't improved with age 😂
On the pics in the link above, it looks like the car has a wierd black lip jutting out under the headlights...  It's almost as if the car has bags under it eyes.  The overall appearance is OK. But I do get what people are saying about the headlights being too low on the front and the screen in the centre dash needs to be better hidden/blended in than it appears in the photo.  As at present it looks likes it has just been chunked in without any real design or though of how to make it a part of the dash.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: hog_hedge on 18 June 2019, 12:02
This is starting to look better https://www.carscoops.com/2019/06/2020-vw-golf-mk8-deliveries-must-start-at-the-end-of-the-year/
those pics have been around for months. They still haven't improved with age 😂
On the pics in the link above, it looks like the car has a wierd black lip jutting out under the headlights...  It's almost as if the car has bags under it eyes.  The overall appearance is OK. But I do get what people are saying about the headlights being too low on the front and the screen in the centre dash needs to be better hidden/blended in than it appears in the photo.  As at present it looks likes it has just been chunked in without any real design or though of how to make it a part of the dash.

Looks like camouflage to me, along with the black above the headlights and the camo around the rear lights. I like the alloys though.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 18 June 2019, 12:11
Looks like an R-Line or GT spec? I'll be interested to see the proper performance models when they are finally finished but not holding out hope that I'll actually like based on the basic overall shape.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: kmpowell on 18 June 2019, 12:17
Looks like camouflage to me, along with the black above the headlights and the camo around the rear lights.
I agree, blow up the images on a big screen and you can see the black tape at the top and bottom of the light units, and on the rear they have got tape the same colour as the body disguising the rear lights. It looks like the boot is covered in a one piece disguise wrap that goes to the rear 3/4 shoulder.

To me it just looks big. The appeal of a Golf to me is it's compact size & feel, and this looks inflated and bulbous in comparison to the 7.5. The lack of physical/haptic buttons is also a big turn off for me.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 08 July 2019, 18:09
Mk8 GTi spotted

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-volkswagen-golf-gti-2020-hot-hatch-seen-first-time
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 08 July 2019, 19:54
Interesting photos. You can clearly make out some features of the new car there. Hexagonal grill still seems to be there along with some front fins not unlike the Mk7.5, front splitter seems very typical of VW (maybe a bit more like the tcr) and the rear diffuser is there but very dull looking. The side sills seem far more pronounced too.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 08 July 2019, 21:28
Looks more promising than the base model mules that have been snapped previously. Chassis proportions look much better.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 09 July 2019, 09:30
Looks more promising than the base model mules that have been snapped previously. Chassis proportions look much better.

Base model MK 7 Golf are pretty uninspiring, its always the added bits and pieces of styling that beef it up to look like the performance car we seeking and did think the MK 8 GTI and R would look much better than the original shots of the MK 8 we were seeing

Having said that, did see a MK 8 GTI render and it did look very SEAT as in the present SEAT version.

Its not so much what it would look like that actually concerned me, as did think looks would be an evolution and maybe a sharper this, and a narrower that, but once had its bigger wheels and some styling performance add on would grow on us and look fine.

Its still the interior revolution that mostly concerned about, a step forward for some, and for others like me a leap too far with technology.

In terms of the drive, the MK 8 will likely get a 25-40 BHP lift in power but will likely drive much the same as the MK 7 - That might of not been the case if the hybrid solution was added as imagine on the R in particular that would have made for a lightning start, but seems they canned that tech for now on the performance models and it will be used on lower end more for economy

Happy getting the TCR now, think perfect timing, as can enjoy it and see how the MK 8 progresses and if like what I see jump in on later versions, or if not like what see, extend my MK 7 enjoyment

If I was coming to changeover at time MK 8 is up and running I would be seriously tempted to stay MK 7 and grab a clear the stock bargain. 
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mr.Edge1974 on 09 July 2019, 09:51
Just wondered reading on various sites of the Mark 8 GTI and R variations are they dropping the 3 door version completely?

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 09 July 2019, 09:56
Just wondered reading on various sites of the Mark 8 GTI and R variations are they dropping the 3 door version completely?

From what understand the 3 Door is done, you will not see them on Golfs anymore - stand to be corrected but thats my understanding
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mr.Edge1974 on 09 July 2019, 09:59
would be sad them stop making the 3 door, with Ford focus RS ST etc I never see 3 door models at all especially over the last 5 - 6 years.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 09 July 2019, 10:35
It’s cheaper for VW (and other car manufacturers) to streamline the model range and not have a 3 door version - removes the need to manufacture 3 door-specific components such as body panels and glass, interior trim panels, front (tilt and slide) seats etc.

There’s no longer a three door Polo (previous generation was available with 3 or 5 doors). Seat have dropped the three door Ibiza and Leon from its model range, Audi no longer build a 3 door Audi A3 and the new A1 is also 5 door only.

So it looks like three door models are history within VAG, other than perhaps city cars like the VW up! and Skoda Citigo. The Seat equivalent (the Mii) is now only available in 5 door form, so maybe even VAG city cars are moving to 5 door only versions.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 10 July 2019, 10:21
New article by evo on the GTI:

https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/22866/new-2020-mk8-volkswagen-golf-gti-spied-for-the-first-time

Interesting, they say Volkswagen is also expected to keep hold of the six-speed manual transmission, although the dual-clutch automatic is expected to make up a majority of sales - good news for the manual lovers  :cool:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 10 July 2019, 14:24
I was looking forward to a hybrid GTI/R   :sad:

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: monkeyhanger on 10 July 2019, 14:43
New article by evo on the GTI:

https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/22866/new-2020-mk8-volkswagen-golf-gti-spied-for-the-first-time

Interesting, they say Volkswagen is also expected to keep hold of the six-speed manual transmission, although the dual-clutch automatic is expected to make up a majority of sales - good news for the manual lovers  :cool:

I can't see VW retaining the 6 speed manual box, they've been doing all they can lately yo push everyone towards DSG. It must be a whole lot easier to achieve a CO2 target on a WLTP test cycle with a 7 speed DSG than a 6 speed manual - and that's what matters to VW. Getting you to pay an extra £1500 for an auto box you didn't really want adds to VWs coffers too.

If VW do put a manual out there, let's hope they do it right. The box on my 2015 R was sh!te gravelly throw and infrequently refused to go 6th to 3rd or 2nd to 1st or neutral to 1st), and it came with a chocolate clutch that slipped a few times in the winter.

I have DSG on my Polo GTI now, through lack of choice for a manual box, and it's ok, but I miss a manual box that's performing as I'd expect.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 10 July 2019, 15:11
The manual gearbox on my 2015 R was really good. Much better than the slightly obstinate one in my 2013 GTI PP. I never suffered clutch slip in mine either despite running a JB1 for a while.
First gear in the R was far too low and 6th to 3rd could upset the synchro a bit but that was more likely my crap coordination between left hand and clutch foot.
Damn I miss that car.

Still a CS40 is no hardship...


The mk8 GTI does look ok in proportions in those pics. 19” wheels will be a must by the looks of it.
The side skirts of the current TCR look like they might be a nod to the mk8 skirts, both being more prominent, or it might be my dodgy eyesight and phone screen.

Be interesting to see what power increases there are along with prices.
Having run a few quotes between an R and an A35 AMG for a colleague lately the two are very similar in overall ownership costs. The AMG having higher APR but higher GFV keeping the two very close on cost, performance and spec (give or take).
If the next gen Golf is to be higher priced it needs to be higher powered than the immediate rivals.
Mind you, the new Focus ST is £32k so Golf GTI pricing is only going to go one way...





Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Watts on 10 July 2019, 15:25
If VW do put a manual out there, let's hope they do it right. The box on my 2015 R was sh!te gravelly throw and infrequently refused to go 6th to 3rd or 2nd to 1st or neutral to 1st), and it came with a chocolate clutch that slipped a few times in the winter.

Obviously a bit late now but perhaps the cables needed adjustment? The shift on mine is great even with the mods I've done.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Splashalot on 11 July 2019, 05:43
If VW do put a manual out there, let's hope they do it right. The box on my 2015 R was sh!te gravelly throw and infrequently refused to go 6th to 3rd or 2nd to 1st or neutral to 1st), and it came with a chocolate clutch that slipped a few times in the winter.

Obviously a bit late now but perhaps the cables needed adjustment? The shift on mine is great even with the mods I've done.

Same here.  Shift quality on my manual 7.5 GTI is great.  Reckon Monkeyhanger's needed adjustment.  Just remembered I did test drive an earlier mk7 GTI with a crap, crunchy 'box - turned out it needed cables adjusting.  So they're not all perfect from the factory.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: monkeyhanger on 11 July 2019, 07:07
If VW do put a manual out there, let's hope they do it right. The box on my 2015 R was sh!te gravelly throw and infrequently refused to go 6th to 3rd or 2nd to 1st or neutral to 1st), and it came with a chocolate clutch that slipped a few times in the winter.

Obviously a bit late now but perhaps the cables needed adjustment? The shift on mine is great even with the mods I've done.

It had occurred to be that the cables needed doing, the local dealership groups kept fobbing me off.

When it was new, "give it time to settle down" was Pulman's response. 5 months later Pulman and Lookers both claimed it was normal for an R, and with manual R's being so rare, they never had an example to test drive for comparison purposes.

Every time it went in for service or warranty I'd ask them to look at it again. I was once told "the R box is a bit agricultural, to handle all the power, the bigger output Touaregs have the same box".

It all seemed BS, but 3 different dealerships were saying the same thing. At 2.5 years old, a colleague bought a late 2014 model second hand and I had a go in that - it's gearbox was as rough as mine.

All that is pretty indicative of how crap local dealerships are in the North East, or that VW perhaps wouldn't sanction paying for the work. VW UK customer service is absolutely piss poor (as I've found lately with refusal for work on my Polo's poorly adjusted tailgate).

None of that excuses the chocolate clutch on my unmodified R.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 11 July 2019, 08:24
If VW do put a manual out there, let's hope they do it right. The box on my 2015 R was sh!te gravelly throw and infrequently refused to go 6th to 3rd or 2nd to 1st or neutral to 1st), and it came with a chocolate clutch that slipped a few times in the winter.

Obviously a bit late now but perhaps the cables needed adjustment? The shift on mine is great even with the mods I've done.

It had occurred to be that the cables needed doing, the local dealership groups kept fobbing me off.

When it was new, "give it time to settle down" was Pulman's response. 5 months later Pulman and Lookers both claimed it was normal for an R, and with manual R's being so rare, they never had an example to test drive for comparison purposes.

Every time it went in for service or warranty I'd ask them to look at it again. I was once told "the R box is a bit agricultural, to handle all the power, the bigger output Touaregs have the same box".

It all seemed BS, but 3 different dealerships were saying the same thing. At 2.5 years old, a colleague bought a late 2014 model second hand and I had a go in that - it's gearbox was as rough as mine.

All that is pretty indicative of how crap local dealerships are in the North East, or that VW perhaps wouldn't sanction paying for the work. VW UK customer service is absolutely piss poor (as I've found lately with refusal for work on my Polo's poorly adjusted tailgate).

None of that excuses the chocolate clutch on my unmodified R.

Think the general opinion is that the nature of R suits DSG much better than the manual.

New article by evo on the GTI:

https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/22866/new-2020-mk8-volkswagen-golf-gti-spied-for-the-first-time

Interesting, they say Volkswagen is also expected to keep hold of the six-speed manual transmission, although the dual-clutch automatic is expected to make up a majority of sales - good news for the manual lovers  :cool:

I can't see VW retaining the 6 speed manual box, they've been doing all they can lately yo push everyone towards DSG. It must be a whole lot easier to achieve a CO2 target on a WLTP test cycle with a 7 speed DSG than a 6 speed manual - and that's what matters to VW. Getting you to pay an extra £1500 for an auto box you didn't really want adds to VWs coffers too.

If VW do put a manual out there, let's hope they do it right. The box on my 2015 R was sh!te gravelly throw and infrequently refused to go 6th to 3rd or 2nd to 1st or neutral to 1st), and it came with a chocolate clutch that slipped a few times in the winter.

I have DSG on my Polo GTI now, through lack of choice for a manual box, and it's ok, but I miss a manual box that's performing as I'd expect.

All the talk has been of ditching the manual, and obviously the 7.5 performance models only DSG now but wouldn't have thought they would allude to keeping the manual without some information on this. Not many manuals as a % of total sales for GTI's and Rs though.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: monkeyhanger on 11 July 2019, 10:41
Not sure if DSG suits R better - a manual box working as it should would've made me a bit happier with the car. DSG seemed to be a lot more popular with the R due to the headline 0-62 time being 0.2s quicker on the DSG (only while looking a tit while using launch control).

Post facelift, inclusion of the 7 speed DSG makes it a significantly more economical proposition at motorway speeds. I've seen the motorway advantage of tall gearing with my Polo GTI+.

My old Golf R used to average 32mpg around the doors and 35mpg on a long motorway journey, maintaining 80mph.

The Polo is averaging 34mpg around the doors, but a whopping 45mpg on the motorway doing 80 (53mpg doing 70). The R at 80 in 6th was doing 3100rpm, the Polo is doing 2400rpm - barely more than my old GTD.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 05 August 2019, 16:08
Undisguised front and back end pictures and a picture of the dash of the Mk8 Golf.

‘Stepped’ rear lights and fake twin exhausts at the rear, and swept back headlamps and slim upper grille at the front - these styling cues could be seen under the camouflage in many of the earlier spy shots. Extra inner creases in the bonnet running from the windscreen to the grille too. Door mirrors mounted lower down on the doors - like the current Seat Leon.

Complete absence of switches and knobs on the actual centre part of the dash / infotainment unit. The image on the infotainment screen looks sharp though, and the higher up position is better IMO than the screen position in the mk7.5 Golf.

https://www.car.blog.br/2019/08/novo-volkswagen-golf-mk8-2020-fotos-sem.html?m=1
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 05 August 2019, 16:16
Undisguised front and back end pictures and a picture of the dash of the Mk8 Golf.

‘Stepped’ rear lights and fake twin exhausts at the rear, and swept back headlamps and slim upper grille at the front - these styling cues could be seen under the camouflage in many of the earlier spy shots. Extra inner creases in the bonnet running from the windscreen to the grille too. Door mirrors mounted lower down on the doors - like the current Seat Leon.

Complete absence of switches and knobs on the actual centre part of the dash / infotainment unit. The image on the infotainment screen looks sharp though, and the higher up position is better IMO than the screen position in the mk7.5 Golf.

https://www.car.blog.br/2019/08/novo-volkswagen-golf-mk8-2020-fotos-sem.html?m=1

If ever there was a good advert for buying a mk7(.5)...

It looks ok actually.
Like a mk7 with an Eos front end conversion!

The dash sure isn't an A-Class beater. Oh dear.

The big reveal must be close if they’re leaking undisguised photos.

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 05 August 2019, 16:21
Now, I know this sounds very far fetched but I was on the m62 today and saw car that was all blacked out with badges covered too. Taillights were partially covered with tape too but my initial though was it was the new polo with mods. On closer inspection it looked very very much like the test miles we’ve seen for the Mk8. As I said, I know this sounds unbelievable but you could clearly see the same design features under what looked like a very plain matte vinyl wrap. Then again, I am getting old.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 05 August 2019, 16:22
I don't think there are too many new surprises in this? There have been other non-dazzle paint photos a while back. The dash photo is new but that's exactly how the toe-rag looked too.

The new droopy eyes headlight look is bad still... and go back and look at a side view to see the new J-Lo backside in its glory :D
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 05 August 2019, 16:39
The new tail lights look good if they do tricks like in the inserted vid, such as warnings etc.

It’d be good if you could program it to do w4nker signs via VCDS for when you have a 3 series four inches from your chuff on a motorway.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: sjw on 05 August 2019, 17:15
Undisguised front and back end pictures and a picture of the dash of the Mk8 Golf.

‘Stepped’ rear lights and fake twin exhausts at the rear, and swept back headlamps and slim upper grille at the front - these styling cues could be seen under the camouflage in many of the earlier spy shots. Extra inner creases in the bonnet running from the windscreen to the grille too. Door mirrors mounted lower down on the doors - like the current Seat Leon.

Complete absence of switches and knobs on the actual centre part of the dash / infotainment unit. The image on the infotainment screen looks sharp though, and the higher up position is better IMO than the screen position in the mk7.5 Golf.

https://www.car.blog.br/2019/08/novo-volkswagen-golf-mk8-2020-fotos-sem.html?m=1

If ever there was a good advert for buying a mk7(.5)...

It looks ok actually.
Like a mk7 with an Eos front end conversion!

The dash sure isn't an A-Class beater. Oh dear.

The big reveal must be close if they’re leaking undisguised photos.

I think that dash is nicer than the A-class. Much bigger screen, nice and high up.

Tail lights look cool too. Was only thinking the other day about LED matrix tail lights, now here they are!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 05 August 2019, 17:25
I think it looks fine. Certainly no worse than any of its rivals. Whether I could get to grips with all the latest tech or not is another matter  :undecided:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 05 August 2019, 17:26
Looks like its smartphone app controlled.... i'll bet DOT won't let you do stuff with the lights like that in the UK...

By the way, the other thing I'd hoped to see on the Mk8 was the start of Vehicle-to-Everything (V2X). I guess VW can introduce this over the life of the Mk8.

Some really interesting stuff coming in that...

Have a read of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-to-everything

The Audi Q4 has the first V2I I have seen - it communicates with traffic lights in certain wired cities.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: sjw on 05 August 2019, 19:07
Undisguised front and back end pictures and a picture of the dash of the Mk8 Golf.

‘Stepped’ rear lights and fake twin exhausts at the rear, and swept back headlamps and slim upper grille at the front - these styling cues could be seen under the camouflage in many of the earlier spy shots. Extra inner creases in the bonnet running from the windscreen to the grille too. Door mirrors mounted lower down on the doors - like the current Seat Leon.

Complete absence of switches and knobs on the actual centre part of the dash / infotainment unit. The image on the infotainment screen looks sharp though, and the higher up position is better IMO than the screen position in the mk7.5 Golf.

https://www.car.blog.br/2019/08/novo-volkswagen-golf-mk8-2020-fotos-sem.html?m=1

If ever there was a good advert for buying a mk7(.5)...

It looks ok actually.
Like a mk7 with an Eos front end conversion!

The dash sure isn't an A-Class beater. Oh dear.

The big reveal must be close if they’re leaking undisguised photos.

I think that dash is nicer than the A-class. Much bigger screen, nice and high up.

Tail lights look cool too. Was only thinking the other day about LED matrix tail lights, now here they are!

Oops, that's the Touareg dash. The Golf looks a little different

https://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/2019/05/01_34.jpg
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Brenbo on 05 August 2019, 19:11
Much prefer the touareg dash in that case then.  It is what the golf should be closer to than the photo in Auto Express.  The lights looks better than expected though.  It's shaping to better than initial thoughts. 
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Panelpin on 05 August 2019, 19:16
Now, I know this sounds very far fetched but I was on the m62 today and saw car that was all blacked out with badges covered too. Taillights were partially covered with tape too but my initial though was it was the new polo with mods. On closer inspection it looked very very much like the test miles we’ve seen for the Mk8. As I said, I know this sounds unbelievable but you could clearly see the same design features under what looked like a very plain matte vinyl wrap. Then again, I am getting old.
You may be right VW use the bentley factory  in Crewe as a base , seen a few odd cars in the area
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 05 August 2019, 19:57
Now, I know this sounds very far fetched but I was on the m62 today and saw car that was all blacked out with badges covered too. Taillights were partially covered with tape too but my initial though was it was the new polo with mods. On closer inspection it looked very very much like the test miles we’ve seen for the Mk8. As I said, I know this sounds unbelievable but you could clearly see the same design features under what looked like a very plain matte vinyl wrap. Then again, I am getting old.
You may be right VW use the bentley factory  in Crewe as a base , seen a few odd cars in the area

Glad someone doesn’t think I’m mad!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 07 August 2019, 11:56
Hum... based on what looks like leaked images from a photoshoot I have mixed feelings. Liking the rear end and light clusters. Side view looks very Golf - all good so far. Now it's the front end I don't like. Slim lights with that double oval bulge reminiscent of the EOS (as Exonian pointed out). I think they've got this wrong. The Mk7 still looks way better in my view. Will reserve judgement until we see proper launch photographs. I hope they give us a glimpse of how the top end models will look at the Frankfurt launch - GTD/GTI/R
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 07 August 2019, 12:43
It's not being launched at Frankfurt apparently. It'll be the new year as VW don't want to take anything from the ID3 launch at Frankfurt. How true this is is anyone's guess but that's what's circulating at the moment.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 07 August 2019, 12:47
I’m glad I chopped in the A3 six months early and got mine in March. I knew there would be delays and potential agro around September. Crap deals, potential Brexit fallout, VW ambiguity and so forth.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 07 August 2019, 12:53
It's not being launched at Frankfurt apparently. It'll be the new year as VW don't want to take anything from the ID3 launch at Frankfurt. How true this is is anyone's guess but that's what's circulating at the moment.

Heck 2020 - I’m out of touch! Makes sense for VW not to do a double launch of ID & MK8 at the same motor show. That would be marketing suicide.

However I thought customers in Germany can start ordering the Mk8 in Autumn? Have VW defo pushed this back?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 07 August 2019, 17:04
The model is obviously production ready going by the “leaked” 1970’s style photo shoot “scoops” which are of the type that get dropped into the mix before a launch to pique interest, and king monkey’s spotting of a prototype car doing the RHD final testing to see how settings and build quality feel on UK roads (I’m guessing most RHD testing would have been done in South Africa which has more extremes of temperature, road surfaces and is an easier place to hide things away from public gaze).

I’m in the camp of it being held back until next year with final reveal possibly late this year.
VW have already stated they “don’t want a launch in the Xmas run up as people have other things on their mind” which is rubbish.
It’s easier to trickle a model into production at a quieter time of year in case there are problems. Smaller scale production equals easier to fix early snags before the full scale take up.

I.D is the future bread and butter and hence taking the stage in the homeland motor show.
A full scale attempt at brainwashing a reluctant public into electric cars.
The shift has already began.

The Golf can then come in with its own fanfare at another significant show, possible timed to steal attention from a rival brand major launch(?)

Speculation!  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 07 August 2019, 17:08
Given that I read earlier that the Golf is the second best selling car in the UK (only a few short of the Fiesta which is the best selling car)....

I find it rather odd that we could be looking at end of the Mk7.5 production any day now and no replacement ready to roll.

Can VW really afford to not be selling their biggest seller for maybe 6 months? Not even taking orders?

It seems a bit bizarre to me.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 07 August 2019, 17:13
Given that I read earlier that the Golf is the second best selling car in the UK (only a few short of the Fiesta which is the best selling car)....

I find it rather odd that we could be looking at end of the Mk7.5 production any day now and no replacement ready to roll.

Can VW really afford to not be selling their biggest seller for maybe 6 months? Not even taking orders?

It seems a bit bizarre to me.

It didn’t stop them last year with the WLTP fiasco & production shutdown for months.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 07 August 2019, 17:15
It didn’t stop them last year with the WLTP fiasco & production shutdown for months.

True, but that wasn't really of their own making and they did keep selling Golfs... just not delivering them!

This time... nothing to buy? Unless they plan to market Mk7.5's and deliver Mk8's eventually? I doubt you'd get away with that under consumer law.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 07 August 2019, 18:10
Maybe they’ll change the Golf tooling over in the winter lull.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: seanaodh on 09 August 2019, 11:45
New image. Spotted on a facebook group.

(https://i.imgur.com/q4BcucJ.png)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: sjw on 09 August 2019, 12:16
New image. Spotted on a facebook group.

(https://i.imgur.com/q4BcucJ.png)

Rear end not changed much, cool lights. Crap wheels. Front looks miserable. Got it.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 09 August 2019, 12:25
New image. Spotted on a facebook group.


That doesn’t look too bad IMO - unmistakably a Golf and I’m sure we’ll soon get used to it.

I’m not too keen on the central position of the ‘Golf’ badge on the tailgate or the fussy lower rear bumper design where the painted section meets the black section though. 

As the performance models don’t wear a ‘Golf’ badge, I wonder where ‘GTI’ tailgate badge will be positioned on the GTI model?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: jaceyboy on 09 August 2019, 13:10
Wonder what the R and GTi will look like :drool:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: monkeyhanger on 09 August 2019, 15:03
Side-on, it looks exactly like my Polo GTI+ - same creases and curves on the doors.

Not keen on the "squinty eyes" front headlights. Lower black grille looks just like the Polo too.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 09 August 2019, 15:48
Looks a bit Astra ish to me. Hopefully the GTi and R models will look better.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: evo1986 on 09 August 2019, 22:25
Trust me guys it’s not as ugly as those images  :wink:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: 2007GTI on 09 August 2019, 22:51
Looks like an Alfa Romeo at the front IMHO.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 09 August 2019, 23:12
Plum straight-on the front end doesn’t look as bad as I was anticipating. The slim lights and super thin grill make the car look really wide - which I like. The rest of it is very Golf, very Polo and a bit of Tiguan thrown in for good measure. Looking forward to seeing the performance models now.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 09 August 2019, 23:48
Those pictures above still look like digital renders to me. And not particularly flattering.

The pictures in the promo shoot look far better.

PS anyone else notice the photos in the promo shoot, the car has no badges on the rear? We were told to expect badging across the tailgate a la T-Roc/Arteon and like the red car above.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Philip on 10 August 2019, 08:14
Looking much better than the earlier camoflagued spy shots, and remains recognisably a Golf where many of the compact segment competitors have started to lose overall identity and now rely on increasingly weird looking grills / DRL's to stand out.  Evolution not revolution as has ever been the way, but two too many doors for me.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 10 August 2019, 09:45
Those pictures above still look like digital renders to me.

I'd agree because in the other (real) photos you see a wider C pillar and a fatter backside - which is all about the new extra boot
space.

As for it looking like *insert name of other family hatchback* somewhere on here I posted a side on shot of 5 (?) different current models and they are hardly distinguishable between each other at all.

The way of the world it seems.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: kmpowell on 10 August 2019, 13:12
Trust me guys it’s not as ugly as those images  :wink:
So you're saying it's ugly, just not as ugly as the pictures... ;)

Anyone else like me thinking the Mk8 will be to the MK7 what the MK6 was to the MK5... bloated and no different apart from a re-arranged dash and some twiddly bits? As somebody pointed out earlier in this thread VW haven't managed to ever do 2x successful consecutive generations of GTI.  :huh:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mutley75 on 10 August 2019, 14:41
Trust me guys it’s not as ugly as those images  :wink:
So you're saying it's ugly, just not as ugly as the pictures... ;)

Anyone else like me thinking the Mk8 will be to the MK7 what the MK6 was to the MK5... bloated and no different apart from a re-arranged dash and some twiddly bits? As somebody pointed out earlier in this thread VW haven't managed to ever do 2x successful consecutive generations of GTI.  :huh:

On the plus side we all get to save a shed load of cash and just keep the mk 7/7.5’s we’re all happy with, without casting an envious glance at the mk 8!  :wink:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Crockers on 12 August 2019, 22:16
Our other car is the new XC60. No buttons all modern touch screen.

I must be getting old as I prefer buttons.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Hertsman on 13 August 2019, 20:58
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/electric-vehicles-in-germany-emit-more-carbon-dioxide-than-diesel-vehicles/ (https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/electric-vehicles-in-germany-emit-more-carbon-dioxide-than-diesel-vehicles/)

Aside from the removal of exhaust fumes at source this is what been saying all along in that how green is electric overall end to end and answer it seems from this source, it’s not!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 16 August 2019, 19:53
Volkswizard just posted this in twitter. Worth a share. Evolution as always.

(https://i.postimg.cc/mZPkLMz7/8814-EC88-A34-C-466-F-A24-F-EF4-D750-F09-DD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3dgF1kB)
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Bullfinch on 17 August 2019, 09:47
The back end looks good but I still think the front end looks odd
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 17 August 2019, 13:12
That image looks to me like it still has some light camo around the rear lights. Either that or there are some very odd reflections going on.  :undecided:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 17 August 2019, 23:18
It might be the angle of the shot but the side windows look very MPV like in being slab sided.
Most previous generations of Golf have the windows gently carrying on a taper narrowing in width gradually toward the roof from above the belt line giving a squat and muscular stance.

Hopefully the photo is just a bad angle.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 18 August 2019, 12:31
It might be the angle of the shot but the side windows look very MPV like in being slab sided.
Most previous generations of Golf have the windows gently carrying on a taper narrowing in width gradually toward the roof from above the belt line giving a squat and muscular stance.

Hopefully the photo is just a bad angle.

This is the only other angle that shows the windows if it’s of any use. Not my photos as said earlier but worth sharing.

(https://i.postimg.cc/vBtYJt9s/1-FE1696-E-7-CA4-4194-9-C56-964-D4-DB59086.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PpNnZZ23)


Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 28 August 2019, 17:44
Another new picture

https://uk.motor1.com/news/367558/2020-vw-golf-final-testing/

Getting closer...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mark V GTD on 30 August 2019, 18:31
At least they have put a huge amount of effort in to the camouflage scheme...... :wink:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Splashalot on 31 August 2019, 04:50
At least they have put a huge amount of effort in to the camouflage scheme...... :wink:

I actually prefer it in the camouflage paint!  Would be good if they made that a factory option.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 31 August 2019, 08:06
At least they have put a huge amount of effort in to the camouflage scheme...... :wink:

I actually prefer it in the camouflage paint!  Would be good if they made that a factory option.

I really like the red/blue cammo on the ID3 actually. I'd definitely order that if I could!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Finglonga on 31 August 2019, 13:18
Still looks like a yachting dog. :grin:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Mark V GTD on 01 September 2019, 11:01
You might be on to something there - would be a tough one to lose in a car park too....
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 01 September 2019, 11:30
At least they have put a huge amount of effort in to the camouflage scheme...... :wink:

I actually prefer it in the camouflage paint!  Would be good if they made that a factory option.

I really like the red/blue cammo on the ID3 actually. I'd definitely order that if I could!

It does look good, but would cost an absolute fortune to create by painting :shocked:. I dread to think how long it would take to mask up to paint the second colour to get that red / blue camouflage effect. It would be expensive to repair too if any bodywork repairs were required.

It could be achieved through vinyl wrapping, but I dare say wrapping a complete car would also be expensive.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: tom500 on 01 September 2019, 22:06
Any release date yet?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 01 September 2019, 22:29
Any release date yet?

Official unveiling some time in October. In showrooms early next year.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: mcmaddy on 02 September 2019, 06:36
GTi models late next year apparently.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: hog_hedge on 02 September 2019, 21:55
GTi models late next year apparently.

Perfect. I'll leave it a bit for the niggles to work themselves out and the discounts to come in and then I'll upgrade. Mine will be be coming up to 5 years old then and ready for a change.

I keep toying with the idea of an R but for some reason I think I'll be in another GTI.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 02 September 2019, 22:13
GTi models late next year apparently.

Perfect. I'll leave it a bit for the niggles to work themselves out and the discounts to come in and then I'll upgrade. Mine will be be coming up to 5 years old then and ready for a change.

I keep toying with the idea of an R but for some reason I think I'll be in another GTI.

At that rate the Edition 45 wouldn’t be far off. Excellent! It’d be nice to get an anniversary model that’s not towards the end of a life cycle or just before a facelift.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 09 September 2019, 19:42
So the ID3 is now upon us;-

https://uk.motor1.com/news/369750/vw-id-3-unveiled-frankfurt/

Looks ok to me. Wonder how it will stack up against a Mk8 Golf?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: SRGTD on 09 September 2019, 20:36
So the ID3 is now upon us;-

https://uk.motor1.com/news/369750/vw-id-3-unveiled-frankfurt/

Looks ok to me. Wonder how it will stack up against a Mk8 Golf?

Yes, looks OK, but those wheels :shocked: :sick:; they’re nasty.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 09 September 2019, 20:38
First official Golf pictures. It’s a beauty.  :grin:

(https://i.postimg.cc/0yWYNhS0/404-DED39-FAC8-46-EB-8-B02-909-FC84264-B2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3kG4SSnk)

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 09 September 2019, 20:45
Where do I sign?

Is it available in brown?  :cool:
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 09 September 2019, 20:48
Where do I sign?

Is it available in brown?  :cool:

Now that made me laugh. You can get a contrasting darker brown roof too. Mmmm
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: king monkey on 09 September 2019, 20:50
So the ID3 is now upon us;-

https://uk.motor1.com/news/369750/vw-id-3-unveiled-frankfurt/

Looks ok to me. Wonder how it will stack up against a Mk8 Golf?

Yes, looks OK, but those wheels :shocked: :sick:; they’re nasty.

I’m not a fan.

(https://i.postimg.cc/c4T9Q9Yr/37-DBE2-AD-AA4-B-4861-BFC7-E98-CF9-B74-DF9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rK0NT9fk)

Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Watts on 09 September 2019, 20:58
So the ID3 is now upon us;-

https://uk.motor1.com/news/369750/vw-id-3-unveiled-frankfurt/

Looks ok to me. Wonder how it will stack up against a Mk8 Golf?

Looks okay on the outside, boring on the inside. No character.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Guzzle on 09 September 2019, 21:10
So the ID3 is now upon us;-

https://uk.motor1.com/news/369750/vw-id-3-unveiled-frankfurt/

Looks ok to me. Wonder how it will stack up against a Mk8 Golf?

Yes, looks OK, but those wheels :shocked: :sick:; they’re nasty.

Yeah, they're 20 inchers apparently and they're a bit much. Looks better on the smaller wheels to me.
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 10 September 2019, 09:30
If you look at the pics on this page:

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-official-pictures/volkswagen/id3/

The fifth photo shows the interior.... that MIB unit...  is it just me or is that wonky? Its certainly a nasty stuck on thing.

Why with these electric cars must they all look like some sort of garage built soapbox racer? Why can't they look like a real car?

On the other hand, from the front three quarter, doesn't the ID3 look like a Golf shape? From the back it looks like... well I'm not sure, but something nasty.

Why would you want big wheels on an electric car? Don't big wheels reduce the range? Or is that different when you don't have a gearbox?
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 10 September 2019, 09:38
Agreed, very stuck on. Lots of manufacturers seem to be doing that.

Think wider, not bigger wheels are the problem. Look at the BMW i3, that has 19s with 155 front and 175 rears. 

And yes, think it's very Golf MK8, probably another reason they didn't launch at the same time!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: fredgroves on 10 September 2019, 09:55
I found this relating to Tesla:

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/7bp7br/epa_documents_show_how_wheel_size_affects_model/

Seems like no inconsequential downsides to bigger wheels much as I thought...
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 10 September 2019, 10:24
I found this relating to Tesla:

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/7bp7br/epa_documents_show_how_wheel_size_affects_model/

Seems like no inconsequential downsides to bigger wheels much as I thought...

Bit of a difference. And who knew that the basic Tesla 3 has aero wheel trims

(https://i.postimg.cc/RVW1SN6F/fullsizeoutput-3c8.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

There's actually a nice looking wheel under the covers but they add 5-10% efficiency!
Title: Re: Mk 8 Golf
Post by: Exonian on 10 September 2019, 12:59
If you look at the pics on this page:

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-official-pictures/volkswagen/id3/

The fifth photo shows the interior.... that MIB unit...  is it just me or is that wonky? Its certainly a nasty stuck on thing.

Why with these electric cars must they all look like some sort of garage built soapbox racer? Why can't they look like a real car?

On the other hand, from the front three quarter, doesn't the ID3 look like a Golf shape? From the back it looks like... well I'm not sure, but something nasty.

Why would you want big wheels on an electric car? Don't big wheels reduce the range? Or is that different when you don't have a gearbox?

I think the MIB unit is probably angled toward the driver so looks wonky.
It looks like the VW Fox’s interior designers have been dragged out of retirement to do the VW iPhone.3 inside design.