oh yeah im not knockin me mk4 cause i love it to bits but its the way they have revolved over the years i love it! step in to 1 modern quick comfort safe driving, step into the other rough, raw, on the edge not alot of safety, great!!, gonna save some more dosh!, i want a black 3dr mk1 (1600)gti, and a mk3 of the same colour and 3dr, then ill have 1 of each Mk, bob on see yall later