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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: willni on 22 February 2021, 17:10
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Is anyone running the Pretoria alloys from the 3G Passat? Part No. 3G0071499 2ZT
They definitely fit and can run the standard 225/35R19 tyres with a little stretch, they will sit naturally 6-7mm further out being ET44, should be a bit stronger (due to being made for a heavier car) and are much cheaper than the lightweight Golf Pretorias.
I'm assuming the only drawbacks are they're probably not forged lightweight alloys, if you want to keep the speedometer correct you'll need to run the 225/35R19 tyres not the suggested 235/40R19 as they will throw the speedometer out by 4.55% you could run 235/35R19 with a 1% throw however.
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I'm not running them, but one of the drawbacks will be running stretched tyres together with your wheels sitting about 6mm closer to the kerb.
They're cast rather than flow formed, so there will be about 10kg additional weight, but the savings over the Golf R version make them quite tempting. I'd also expect them to be a little more robust than the Golf version too.
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I'm not running them, but one of the drawbacks will be running stretched tyres together with your wheels sitting about 6mm closer to the kerb.
They're cast rather than flow formed, so there will be about 10kg additional weight, but the savings over the Golf R version make them quite tempting. I'd also expect them to be a little more robust than the Golf version too.
I previously ran the same spec BBS CI-R's (8J ET45) and found no issues with the stretched tyres (225/35R19), however I do prefer the look of the normal tyres over stretched. Surely they'd be a similar weight to the Santiago or Brescia options at around 12-13kg an alloy? Especially for those that would normally go toward the replica route that just want greater durability.
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I think Volkswizard is running these wheels on his Golf R estate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uuYSp0tLkU
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Aren't they quite expensive?
I'm sure you could get something else better fitting and lighter for about the same money?
Or are you laser focused on its got to be a VW branded part?
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I think Volkswizard is running these wheels on his Golf R estate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uuYSp0tLkU
That's exactly them, good spot. Would love to know which tyres he went with as they look like the 235 width.
Aren't they quite expensive?
I'm sure you could get something else better fitting and lighter for about the same money?
Or are you laser focused on its got to be a VW branded part?
The Passat ones are £1,400 for a set of 4 vs the Golf ones which are around the £3k-4K mark iirc. I'm not focused on any alloys but for those that want to retain their existing pretorias this is a more suitable option, compared to replica alloys. As well as providing a more aggressive look without the use of wheel spacers.
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The golf ones will be expensive because they are forged. Any forged nineteens are going to be expensive.
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I think Volkswizard is running these wheels on his Golf R estate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uuYSp0tLkU
That's exactly them, good spot. Would love to know which tyres he went with as they look like the 235 width.
If you pause the video at 2:11, he is running 235/35R19.
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If you pause the video at 2:11, he is running 235/35R19.
Good spot, looks like I need to go to Specsavers :whistle:
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I'm not running them, but one of the drawbacks will be running stretched tyres together with your wheels sitting about 6mm closer to the kerb.
They're cast rather than flow formed, so there will be about 10kg additional weight, but the savings over the Golf R version make them quite tempting. I'd also expect them to be a little more robust than the Golf version too.
I previously ran the same spec BBS CI-R's (8J ET45) and found no issues with the stretched tyres (225/35R19), however I do prefer the look of the normal tyres over stretched. Surely they'd be a similar weight to the Santiago or Brescia options at around 12-13kg an alloy? Especially for those that would normally go toward the replica route that just want greater durability.
They'll be similar to a Santiago or Brescia, but they are wider than both those wheels (8J vs 7.5J). I think the Golf R Prets are approx 10kg each.
Say 12.5kg - 10kg = 2.5kg per wheel × 4.
Roughly 25% heavier.
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They'll be similar to a Santiago or Brescia, but they are wider than both those wheels (8J vs 7.5J). I think the Golf R Prets are approx 10kg each.
Say 12.5kg - 10kg = 2.5kg per wheel × 4.
Roughly 25% heavier.
The weight saving is probably more significant for those with a Golf R as opposed to GTI/TCR/Ed40 owners, due to the haldex gear. Those with a GTI/GTD etc with factory 19's won't see too much difference, but if they were that concerned about the unsprung weight of the car they'd be running 18inch Team Dynamic 1.2's, not 19's.
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Yep, for anyone running OEM Brescia's or Santiago's, these will be a similar weight. But compared to both standard 18's or Golf R Prets, these are heavier.
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This website is very helpful for finding out wheel specs and weights ;
https://www.original-felgen.com/19zoll/
I'm not running them, but one of the drawbacks will be running stretched tyres together with your wheels sitting about 6mm closer to the kerb.
They're cast rather than flow formed, so there will be about 10kg additional weight, but the savings over the Golf R version make them quite tempting. I'd also expect them to be a little more robust than the Golf version too.
I previously ran the same spec BBS CI-R's (8J ET45) and found no issues with the stretched tyres (225/35R19), however I do prefer the look of the normal tyres over stretched. Surely they'd be a similar weight to the Santiago or Brescia options at around 12-13kg an alloy? Especially for those that would normally go toward the replica route that just want greater durability.
They'll be similar to a Santiago or Brescia, but they are wider than both those wheels (8J vs 7.5J). I think the Golf R Prets are approx 10kg each.
Say 12.5kg - 10kg = 2.5kg per wheel × 4.
Roughly 25% heavier.
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This website is very helpful for finding out wheel specs and weights ;
https://www.original-felgen.com/19zoll/
Thanks, off that website the weights are as follows for the below alloys:
Golf - Nogaro 18in - 10.2KG - 5G0 601 025 AQ FZZ
Golf - Pretoria - 10.8kg - 5G0 601 025 AJ Z49
Passat/T-Roc - Pretoria - 11kg - (Gloss Black 3G0 601 025 BS AX1), (Matte Graphite 3G0601025BS), (Silver 3g0601025bh2hh)
Santiago - 11.2kg - 5G0 601 025 AN FZZ
Brescia - 12kg - 5G0 071 499 B FZZ
I'm not 100% on the accuracy of this website for weights as previous members have weighed different alloys and had the following results:
Santiago without tyres; two suggestions at the link below - either 26.5 lbs / 12.02 kgs or 28.5 lbs / 12.93 kgs http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?p=459829
Prets without tyres; 22.2 lbs / 10.06 kgs http://forums.mwerks.com/showthread.php?7959361-Pretoria-and-Continental-Wheel-Tire-Weight
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I'm also sceptical, for example silver 19 inch Prets for the Golf are stated as 10.8kg, but the same wheel in black is stated as 9.6kg.
Doesn't make sense :sad:
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I've ordered a set of the Passat/T-Roc Pretorias so I will update this with an accurate weight when they arrive.
Also I just moved my Michelin Pilot Sports 4S' (225/35R19) across from the BBS CI-R's (8.5J) I had onto my Santiagos, before I sold the BBS. Does anyone have any photos of how the 225/35R19 will fit on a 8J alloy?
As I'm not sure whether I should get some 235/35R19's or not for a little bit more protection and comfort.
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Willni just wondering where u bought pretoria wheels. Am debating a new set as Austin’s starting to show age. Thanks.
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Willni just wondering where u bought pretoria wheels. Am debating a new set as Austin’s starting to show age. Thanks.
I got mine from Barnetts of St Andrews Volkswagen (Link below), saw them on ebay, exchaged a few messages and they had a great attitude. So rang them up and made a deal, although always get a quote from your local dealer they may be able to throw in free tyre fitting to help sweeten the deal if they can't beat the part price. :smiley:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324602298541?_trkparms=aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201018205123%26meid%3D26cc7325c4ca446fa1920955ecdf7862%26pid%3D101286%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone%26itm%3D324602298541%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26algv%3DWatchlistVariantWithMLR&_trksid=p2380057.c101286.m47999&_trkparms=pageci%3Acd416b8f-ade3-11eb-afa1-fee3f2960806%7Cparentrq%3A3e4da9dc1790a12b7ca88048fff0c780%7Ciid%3A1 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324602298541?_trkparms=aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201018205123%26meid%3D26cc7325c4ca446fa1920955ecdf7862%26pid%3D101286%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone%26itm%3D324602298541%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26algv%3DWatchlistVariantWithMLR&_trksid=p2380057.c101286.m47999&_trkparms=pageci%3Acd416b8f-ade3-11eb-afa1-fee3f2960806%7Cparentrq%3A3e4da9dc1790a12b7ca88048fff0c780%7Ciid%3A1)
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Are you getting them delivered or going to collect them? I bought a set of new VW rims in Durham which I think was a similar distance from Cairnryan and I was advised to collect as the dealer told me they had never managed to send a set via courier which survived unscathed. It was a bit of a drive but a day out and was around £180 on a day return.
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Are you getting them delivered or going to collect them? I bought a set of new VW rims in Durham which I think was a similar distance from Cairnryan and I was advised to collect as the dealer told me they had never managed to send a set via courier which survived unscathed. It was a bit of a drive but a day out and was around £180 on a day return.
Delivered via Parcelforce, I've never had any issues with alloys being shipped to me. Since they won't have any tyres on them, they'll have to be sent in the original alloy wheel boxes which will protect them fine. As well as make a nice new home for my old Santiago alloys.
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My Pretorias arrived the T-Roc version weigh in at 11.1kg (With Centre cap).
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Does anyone know the offset of the Reifnitz TCR alloys in comparison to these please?
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Does anyone know the offset of the Reifnitz TCR alloys in comparison to these please?
ET50
https://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/tire-wheels/rims/19-inch-rims-reifnitz-golf-7-gti-tcr-genuine-volkswagen.htm
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Thanks.
Kind of tempted now to see how they would look against my gray TCR - especially with the Matt finish.
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Some photos of them on, I'm running 225/35R19 Michelin PS4S', personally I wouldn't go with the 235/35R19 as they would be too wide.
If anyone has any questions let me know.
(https://i.postimg.cc/yN7tfCCW/IMG-5647.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yDrLd5dz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVKvymyT/IMG-5649.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xcjrNw0k)
(https://i.postimg.cc/pdTbWMG4/IMG-5650.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zy9P761F)
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They look really good willni, much better offset than the Golf versions. :cool:
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Looks really well on those Pretorias willni. :smiley:
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Awesome
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Thanks folks.
To summarise:
- The T-Roc / Passat Pretoria alloys do fit.
- They are naturally the golf Pretorias with a 6mm spacer.
- You can run GTI 225/35R19 fitment tyres on them.
- They are a lot cheaper versus the lightweight version.
Downsides
- No alternative colour choice, Matte Graphite colour only.
- Heavier than the golf pretorias
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Thanks folks.
To summarise:
- The T-Roc / Passat Pretoria alloys do fit.
- They are naturally the golf Pretorias with a 6mm spacer.
- You can run GTI 225/35R19 fitment tyres on them.
- They are a lot cheaper versus the lightweight version.
Only downside is you don't get a choice in colour they all come in Matte Graphite colour, but given the price you can factor in a full refurb into the price and still see them as a great alternative.
they weigh more than a golf Pretoria too.
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they weigh more than a golf Pretoria too.
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Cheers, I forgot about that one.
Although if the Golf Pretoria do indeed weigh in at at around 9.6kg each versus the T-Roc Pretoria's at 11.1kg, that's 1.5kg a corner. Although significant when you factor in unsprung weight, they still aren't the lightest wheel vs the factory Belvedere's or some of the aftermarket offerings.
I'm sure 99% of us aren't too concerned with the added weight, and those that are I'd imagine would go down the 18inch Belvedere, Team Dynamic or Revo alloy route.
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Heavy is good, heavy is reliable :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Maybe the extra material makes them a bit tougher vs potholes?
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You could always hit him with it!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Think the small weight penalty is worth the trade off for longevity, as arent the R pretorias known for being a bit 'soft'??
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Some photos of them on, I'm running 225/35R19 Michelin PS4S', personally I wouldn't go with the as they would be too wide.
If anyone has any questions let me know.
(https://i.postimg.cc/yN7tfCCW/IMG-5647.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yDrLd5dz)
Looks great!
What do you mean by this:
I'm running 225/35R19 Michelin PS4S', personally I wouldn't go with the as they would be too wide.
To wide a tyre in general for these alloys?
I cant recall but that sounds like the same size as on the TCR but Bridgestone v Michelin (I could be wrong on that).
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I think he means the 225 tyre is a stretch fit on those Troc Prets.
The OEM tyre size for those is 235 like the Mk8 golf's.
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Looks great!
What do you mean by this:
I'm running 225/35R19 Michelin PS4S', personally I wouldn't go with the as they would be too wide.
To wide a tyre in general for these alloys?
I cant recall but that sounds like the same size as on the TCR but Bridgestone v Michelin (I could be wrong on that).
Sorry I must've been talking to someone and forgot to proof read.
I think the 235/35R19 tyres that come on the Golf pretorias would be too wide for the alloys, as with the 225/35R19's I have a lot of tyre protection for the alloys.
I think the 235/35R19's would make it look a bit cheap rather than sporty, but this could be down to my tyres as I think they are XL's so have a bit more lip protection anyway.
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Got it.
Thanks.
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they weigh more than a golf Pretoria too.
Cheers, I forgot about that one.
Although if the Golf Pretoria do indeed weigh in at at around 9.6kg each versus the T-Roc Pretoria's at 11.1kg, that's 1.5kg a corner. Although significant when you factor in unsprung weight, they still aren't the lightest wheel vs the factory Belvedere's or some of the aftermarket offerings.
I'm sure 99% of us aren't too concerned with the added weight, and those that are I'd imagine would go down the 18inch Belvedere, Team Dynamic or Revo alloy route.
[/quote] I'm sure the added weight will help and they'll also look nicer on the car than the golf ones as the offset is different. I do like the Belvederes on my TCR though 👍
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Quick one for someone, does anyone know who manufactures the T-Roc Pretorias? Had them off earlier in the week when painting my hubs, and couldn't find the usual stamp from BBS, Borbet or Ronal.