mk 6 GTI long life oil

[hutch924]

If you're going to buy that stuff then its probably best to go for the Edge Sport ?

Nope - NOT approved for VWs!

Do you have any idea's what would be suitable ?

Yup.  The oil MUST officially be approved by VW to the VW 504.00 standard (if it aint, your warranty will be invalidated).  Secondly, it must only be from one of the 'quality' oil manufacturers (so no Comma or CarPlan shyte), and the most crucial bit - only from European manufacturers (so that would be BP/Castrol/Aral, Motul, Fuchs, Total/Elf, Motorex, Pentosyn, OMV) - so that means NO Mobil, Texaco or Valvoline.

funny you should say mobil as i was supplied with a 1ltr mobil 1 from my brother which is in a bag that has a VW sticker on it stating mobil 1 top up 1ltr

[gossa]

No Mobil? What are you on about? This was in the back of my car when I collected it from the dealer.

[hutch924]

No Mobil? What are you on about? This was in the back of my car when I collected it from the dealer.

i had the same mate but with vw sticker on the bag

[ub7rm]

Up until recently Mobil wasn't approved for VW's (by VW).  But although the oil you were given is officially approved now, its not as good quality as the same grade of oil from a European producer such as the ones TT listed.  American oils are to an API specification which is not as good as the equivalent European body.  The API 'fully synth' is not the same as a European spec 'fully synth'.  No one's saying your car is going to grind to a halt, but there are better oil's for your money.

Who VW push very much depends on who won the contract (ie £££) for supplying their oil for a year.  Next year it might be back to castrol.  They are a business after all!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

If you're going to buy that stuff then its probably best to go for the Edge Sport ?

Nope - NOT approved for VWs!

Says on the back of the bottle of castrol edge 0 - 30 approved for vw 502 which is what the manual says to use in the gti non long life service.

Whilst your manual may state that you can use 502.00 for T&D, the official and categorical statement of fact from Volkswagen Germany is that ONLY 504.00 can be used - irrespective of the actual regime.  And just to back this up, somewhere, in small print, your manual will state that you must always refer to the stealer for the latest advice on any official updated recommendations! 

Secondly, the 502.00 spec was NEVER designed for direct injection petrol engines.  The 504 standard is the ONLY standard which includes an FSI-specific test.

So, for those two reasons, 502 oil should NEVER be used in any FSI engine.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

i did`nt see any castrol edge sport when i brought the castrol edge,you would think that from the name it was a better oil,but the mk6 gti  on non long life service it says to use vw502,which is plain old castrol edge so i don`t know where you would use the sport version ?

Modern oils, and modern engines now have very specific requirements of engine oils.  In days gone by, you could use the same Duckhams Q20W50 in a Ford Escort, a Hilman Avenger, a Triumph Spitfire - or whatever.  But those days are long gone.  Castrol EDGE Sport (in two flavours, a 0W40 [previously called 'Formula RS Power'] and a 10W60 [previously called 'Formula RS Protection']) are actually quite old oils - very good oils, but no good for modern 'manufacturer-specific' requirements.  The lastest oils required for Volkswagen Group engines will NOT be suitable for the latest BMW, Merc or Vauxhall/Opel engines - whom each have their own 'longlife' regimes and oils.  So this is why it is absolutely vital to get the correct oil for the individual car - we are no longer in a 'one size fits all' when it comes to oils.

HTH 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

If you're going to buy that stuff then its probably best to go for the Edge Sport ?

Nope - NOT approved for VWs!

Do you have any idea's what would be suitable ?

Yup.  The oil MUST officially be approved by VW to the VW 504.00 standard (if it aint, your warranty will be invalidated).  Secondly, it must only be from one of the 'quality' oil manufacturers (so no Comma or CarPlan shyte), and the most crucial bit - only from European manufacturers (so that would be BP/Castrol/Aral, Motul, Fuchs, Total/Elf, Motorex, Pentosyn, OMV) - so that means NO Mobil, Texaco or Valvoline.

funny you should say mobil as i was supplied with a 1ltr mobil 1 from my brother which is in a bag that has a VW sticker on it stating mobil 1 top up 1ltr

The ONLY Mobil oil approved for Volkswagen LL3 is the Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5w30.  This is fine, though not the best - because although it meets VW 504.00/507.00, it ALSO claims to meet a Mercedes LL standard, and a BMW LL standard - which, as is usual with Mobil, doesn't quite stack up, as the testing requirements between VAG, Merc and BMW are all quite different.  Also, don't forget that whilst Mobil 1 oils claim to be 'fully synthetic', they actually are NOT fully synthetic, because they use very high proportions of Group3 basestocks - which in the US are claimed as 'synthetic', but are actually deemed ilegal in the European Union, because Gp3 basestocks are actually 'synthesised hydrocarbon fluids' or SHFs - in laymans terms, mineral oil which has been highly refined - and these are sh!t in a turbo!

Oils from European oil companies - when they claim fully synthetic, are acutally made from either Group4 or Group5 basestocks, both of which are genuine 'man made', hence synthetic.  Group4 are good, Group5 are god-like in oil circles!  Castrol, Fuchs and Motul all use Gp5 basestocks - hence why I generally only recommend them! 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

No Mobil? What are you on about? This was in the back of my car when I collected it from the dealer.

See my subsequent reply on how Mobil oils are made! 

Yes, that brew of Mobil IS approved, but it certainly is NOT the best oil. 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Up until recently Mobil wasn't approved for VW's (by VW).  But although the oil you were given is officially approved now, its not as good quality as the same grade of oil from a European producer such as the ones TT listed.  American oils are to an API specification which is not as good as the equivalent European body.  The API 'fully synth' is not the same as a European spec 'fully synth'.  No one's saying your car is going to grind to a halt, but there are better oil's for your money.

I won't argue with that.   There are some really minor errors, but I would be really pedantic to correct them  :embarassed: - but the fundamentals are spot on. 

Who VW push very much depends on who won the contract (ie £££) for supplying their oil for a year.  Next year it might be back to castrol.  They are a business after all!

Actually, that isn't quite correct.  Volkswagen Germany give a free range to individual franchisees (the stealers) as to who supplies the bulk contract for their oils.  There are a few provisios:  it must be from a major top-tier oil company (so they couldn't use say Comma), the 'retail' bottles they sell over the counter must be from the same company who fill their bulk oil tanks in the workshop, and finally, the oils must meet official VW specs.  BUt the 'buck' stops with the stealer - it is the stealer who has to ensure they comply.

And this explains why some stealers will supply Castrol SLX LongLife 3 (which is simply the 'trade' version of Castrol EDGE 5w30), others give you Mobil 1 ESP, and others again give Shell Helix.  Sadly, I have yet to find a UK stealer who has bulk contract with Fuchs - which is a shame, because they are actually the factory fill supplier.