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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: jvoelcker on 23 July 2019, 19:03
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Hi All,
I have been offered a 2000 1.8 turbo GTI which is badged ABT and appears to have a full ABT body kit right down to the door lock buttons and floor mats along with the Recaro leather seats and 18rims.
The engine has been heavily breathed upon and goes like stink. It is a little laggy, but has been off the road for nearly a couple of years so I suspect will go better after a full service, new discs all round, etc.
My apprentice, who regularly worships at the VW altar, thinks it may be a full original ABT conversion, although he says they are very rare.
What should I be looking for to establish if it is a full ABT conversion?
If it is, what sort of value would it have?
Any pointers would be appreciated.
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A mk4 that's not an r32 or low mileage anniversary won't be worth much the abt bodykit looked sh!t so not many people wanted them and they should have about 220bhp hardly mind blowing when a standard aum will map to more these days so don't promote the apprentice yet :smiley:
After seeing the pictures it's worth about 700-800 quid
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OK. fair enough.
It's quite fun to drive so have bought it anyway.
I need to go through the paperwork to see how much info there is there although most seems to cover basic servicing, but was there such a thing as an ABT conversion?
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OK. fair enough.
It's quite fun to drive so have bought it anyway.
I need to go through the paperwork to see how much info there is there although most seems to cover basic servicing, but was there such a thing as an ABT conversion?
Abt are a tuning company for vag stuff someone's swapped the wheels on your car to r32 wheels though
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OK, so it is likely to be ABT tuned and body kitted?
Are they likely to keep records of these conversions?
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OK, so it is likely to be ABT tuned and body kitted?
Are they likely to keep records of these conversions?
If it was them that done it probably but don't get your knickers wet thinking it's worth more if they do there's a reason they never sold many
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don't get your knickers wet thinking it's worth more if they do there's a reason they never sold many
You must be confusing me with someone else, I don't wear knickers!
I am just trying to learn a bit more about what I have here and the likely original spec.
I have detailed service documentation, all surprisingly local, with only one ABT reference for a replacement front bumper/skirt.
One thing I have noticed is an upgraded intercooler and know the manufacturer well so will try to get some history from them.
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don't get your knickers wet thinking it's worth more if they do there's a reason they never sold many
You must be confusing me with someone else, I don't wear knickers!
I am just trying to learn a bit more about what I have here and the likely original spec.
I have detailed service documentation, all surprisingly local, with only one ABT reference for a replacement front bumper/skirt.
One thing I have noticed is an upgraded intercooler and know the manufacturer well so will try to get some history from them.
Where is the intercooler located and the interior was a factory option that any mk4 could have same as the tuning bits they could be ordered from new
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OK, interesting about the Recaro leather seats - I am used to dealing with Land Cruisers where everything is on it as standard from the factory, makes it a lot easier.
The intercooler is a front mount behind the bumper going down to the bottom of the air dam and am guessing it goes up as high up as the top of the number plate, which is a little pointless.
I don't know what intercooler it may have had on it originally, but I am pretty certain that the one on it now is made by Allisport - they are one of the leading UK intercooler specialists and are based locally. They tend to use more efficient cores and I am guessing it may be bigger than original.
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OK, interesting about the Recaro leather seats - I am used to dealing with Land Cruisers where everything is on it as standard from the factory, makes it a lot easier.
The intercooler is a front mount behind the bumper going down to the bottom of the air dam and am guessing it goes up as high up as the top of the number plate, which is a little pointless.
I don't know what intercooler it may have had on it originally, but I am pretty certain that the one on it now is made by Allisport - they are one of the leading UK intercooler specialists and are based locally. They tend to use more efficient cores and I am guessing it may be bigger than original.
The original intercooler sat in the drivers wheel arch so it's been uprated at some point
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OK. As far as I can tell now it was an ABT factory conversion from new and was then imported in to the UK.
It was originally owned by a racing driver so had all the toys from the outset, but I think it has had further remapping done more recently.
Unusually all the owners in the last 18 years have been within a 5 mile radius of a local town.
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OK. As far as I can tell now it was an ABT factory conversion from new and was then imported in to the UK.
It was originally owned by a racing driver so had all the toys from the outset, but I think it has had further remapping done more recently.
Unusually all the owners in the last 18 years have been within a 5 mile radius of a local town.
What makes you think it's been remapped recently as surely if it's got all the other invoices for work it would have one for that and a print out of bhp
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The last owner wasn't so good at keeping the paperwork and is the one who is supposed to have had it done, but as you know there are remaps and there are remaps.
Considering this has already had the engine tweaks from ABT and then the bigger intercooler it will need a custom remap to get the most our of it.
Once I have it up to scratch I'll aim to get it dynoed and the tuning checked anyway, purely out of interest.
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The last owner wasn't so good at keeping the paperwork and is the one who is supposed to have had it done, but as you know there are remaps and there are remaps.
Considering this has already had the engine tweaks from ABT and then the bigger intercooler it will need a custom remap to get the most our of it.
Once I have it up to scratch I'll aim to get it dynoed and the tuning checked anyway, purely out of interest.
They didn't tweet the engine just added bigger intercooler and air intake then a map to get about 220bhp out them
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They didn't tweet the engine just added bigger intercooler and air intake then a map to get about 220bhp out them
Having been in touch with the original owner, he bought it new from ABT UK back in 2000/2001 when they had a UK presence.
Whilst ABT don't have specific records that go that far back they believe that it would have had a standard package with the turbo boost being raised to 1.18bar and the fuelling increased by 15% producing the 142kW at 5800rpm.
The original owner raced VWs at the time, mainly the bigger engined Beetle, but they also raced the Golfs in the 'team' and he can't remember if any further tweaks were done at the time.
The bigger intercooler was added separately to the ABT work, and I am currently waiting for the manufacturer to confirm when that was added.
I have no idea if anything else has been done, but I'll be getting it remapped once I have finished sorting the issues and found a decent remapping company.
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Can you post a picture of the engine bay
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The arz engine unless changed it will have the ko3 turbo but since it's still on standard intake I can't see the turbo been changed so the 142kw-190bhp is probably right on the limit and all I can see in that bay are standard bits
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Ok.
What would the standard boost be?
It will be interesting to get it on a rolling road.
Any recommendations?
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Ok.
What would the standard boost be?
It will be interesting to get it on a rolling road.
Any recommendations?
About 0.8 but at age your cars at and value your going to spend nearly half its value on a map from r-tech or other reputable company to gain nothing
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The value has nothing to do with it, it's a case of getting the car to do what it is supposed to do.
Are R-Tech any good? I am struggling to get any sense from them via email - they seem to be just applying standard maps whereas I need to find someone that can map the fuelling to get the most out of the bigger intercooler, raised boost, etc.
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The value has nothing to do with it, it's a case of getting the car to do what it is supposed to do.
Are R-Tech any good? I am struggling to get any sense from them via email - they seem to be just applying standard maps whereas I need to find someone that can map the fuelling to get the most out of the bigger intercooler, raised boost, etc.
If you fancy spending more than the cars worth for a couple of extra horses that's your choice but abt have already raised the boost level bolt on bits won't do that
R-tech are the best in the country for the 1.8t but they will only get right figures from car if hardware is ok AND you still have loads of standards bits under the bonnet that might be past there best
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If you fancy spending more than the cars worth for a couple of extra horses that's your choice but abt have already raised the boost level bolt on bits won't do that
I am interested in making sure that the engine is performing at it's best. I regularly see people bolt on kit but then never tune the car properly to reap the full benefits.
And again, not sure why you keep on going back the value of the car - that is irrelevant unless you are only interested in trading the vehicle on which I'm not.
R-tech are the best in the country for the 1.8t but they will only get right figures from car if hardware is ok AND you still have loads of standards bits under the bonnet that might be past there best
OK.
Fully appreciate that the engine needs to be running right in the first place, it would be a pretty pointless exercise if it wasn't.
Do they just apply standard maps tweaked for various extra kit that they have done before or do they treat each vehicle individually remapping on the rolling road?
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Well if money's no object enjoy spending all that money for very little gain :smiley: and to still have 190bhp tops
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And going from engine bay picture I'm struggling to see larger intercooler pipework u got a picture of intercooler :smiley: oh and the issues you posted on ukmkiv will need sorted and its nothing to do with gear linkage
What specialist garage do you run
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The intercooler is a full width one behind the bumper from the bottom of the air dam upwards utilising the standard pipework.
I specialise in building expedition prepped Land Cruisers, so completely different beasts.
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oh and the issues you posted on ukmkiv will need sorted and its nothing to do with gear linkage
Thanks sorted the issues.
Yes I posted to the UKMKIV forums because they seem to have a lot more constructively helpfull responses and less bickering amongst the 'experts'.
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oh and the issues you posted on ukmkiv will need sorted and its nothing to do with gear linkage
Thanks sorted the issues.
Yes I posted to the UKMKIV forums because they seem to have a lot more constructively helpfull responses and less bickering amongst the 'experts'.
:grin: :grin: wait till Adam picks up your story then :grin: