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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: evo1986 on 01 December 2020, 19:59
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Golf R and GTI Clubsport open for order on Thursday 3 December
The latest and most-powerful iterations of Golf 8 are set to open for order on Thursday 3 December, as Golf R and GTI Clubsport race into your showrooms.
Golf fans are spoiled for choice with two new performance cars, boasting over 300PS, with GTI Clubsport two-wheel-drive, and Golf R four-wheel drive. Both offer greater levels of focus and driver involvement than any previous Golf model.
Performance
The Golf GTI Clubsport builds on the already award-winning formula offered by the standard 245 PS Golf GTI, but arrives with a boosted two-litre, four-cylinder engine producing output of 300PS with 400nm of torque. Its 0-62 mph time of just 5.6 seconds makes it the fastest-accelerating production Golf GTI in history. Special features for the new car include a new driving mode developed especially for the demands of the Nürburgring.
Styling
The GTI Clubsport features exclusive exterior styling over the Golf GTI, including a large two-part rear spoiler for reduced lift over the rear axle, and an exclusive front bumper. Not only does this offer augmented styling – it incorporates a new front splitter producing greater downforce on the front axle.
The rear-end is also tweaked over the standard GTI with oval tailpipes, rather than the standard GTI’s circular pipes. These sit further apart either side of an improved diffuser.
Performance
Golf R returns as the outright Golf flagship in terms of performance and positioning, with 320PS and 420Nm on tap from its turbocharged two-litre engine. This means a top speed of 155 mph (increasing to 168 mph with the optional R-Performance pack), with a 0–62 mph sprint of just 4.7 seconds. It becomes the fastest Volkswagen on sale.
Styling
The new Golf R is a total athlete, with a new, striking design, full of expression. It features a brand-new front bumper and front spoiler, side wings and R-style air intake grilles above its exclusive side aprons. The car has been lowered by 20 millimetres, and showcases 18-inch Jerez alloy wheels.
Golf R also has an exciting optional R-Performance package for £2,000. It brings upgraded 19-inch ‘Estoril’ alloy wheels, a performance rear spoiler for added downforce, and an increased top speed of 168 mph. The pack also adds two new driver modes; Drift and Special. Drift mode is entirely focused upon driver enjoyment away from public roads.
For an even more superior look, a new rear bumper can be selected flanked by four chrome-plated twin tailpipes.
Prices:
Golf 8 GTI Clubsport 2.0 TSI 300PS 7-speed DSG five-door
£37,215.00
Golf 8 R 2.0 TSI 320PS 7-speed DSG 4Motion five-door
177
£39,270.00
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At least you can have an R in a (non premium) colour and be under forty k bandit tax.
Not much else mind you.
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At least you can have an R in a (non premium) colour and be under forty k bandit tax.
Not much else mind you.
They are a little more generous that you can have any colour. Still got £840 after that to squeeze something else in like DCC.
But that’s it before luxury car tax kicks in ☹️
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Once you get to £40k you've still got the first registration fee and the first years vehicle tax to play with.
In the case of the R it looks like £870 first years tax + £55 first registration fee = £925.
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Once you get to £40k you've still got the first registration fee and the first years vehicle tax to play with.
In the case of the R it looks like £870 first years tax + £55 first registration fee = £925.
Ok I wasn’t sure about first reg fee but knew you could knock the £870 off ( as first year VED).
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One thing I didn't mention is that what matters is the manufacturers list price of the vehicle on the day it is first registered.
So if the list price goes up after you have ordered but before it is registered this could potentially tip you over the luxury vehicle tax threshold.
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One thing I didn't mention is that what matters is the manufacturers list price of the vehicle on the day it is first registered.
So if the list price goes up after you have ordered but before it is registered this could potentially tip you over the luxury vehicle tax threshold.
That's a nice "surprise", especially for anyone ordering now (typical VW new year price hike and B****)
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VW have now updated the configurator on the UK website to include the mk8 R. It’s not too difficult to configure an R with a list price of £44k-45k with a few ‘desirable’ options :shocked:.
The GTI Clubsport also appears to have been added to the configurator but it doesn’t seem to work at present.
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Golf R and GTI Clubsport open for order on Thursday 3 December
The latest and most-powerful iterations of Golf 8 are set to open for order on Thursday 3 December, as Golf R and GTI Clubsport race into your showrooms.
Golf 8 GTI Clubsport 2.0 TSI 300PS 7-speed DSG five-door
£37,215.00
Golf 8 R 2.0 TSI 320PS 7-speed DSG 4Motion five-door
177
£39,270.00
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The R is so expensive it's laughable now!
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VW have now updated the configurator on the UK website to include the mk8 R. It’s not too difficult to configure an R with a list price of £44k-45k with a few ‘desirable’ options :shocked:.
The GTI Clubsport also appears to have been added to the configurator but it doesn’t seem to work at present.
I can't configure the Clubsport either, or the GTI, but I can for the R? I've tried safari and google chrome?
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The R is Black, white or blue?
I love how the 2k performance pack "details" basically tells you that for that you get 19's. That's classic VW - not actually trying to explain what the hell you are getting for the money.
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If you want reliable and accurate information, your best hope is to download a brochure. The configurator is notoriously unhelpful
R Performance Pack
Four 8J x 19" ‘Estoril’ Black diamond-turned with 235/35 R19 tyres and anti-theft wheel bolts, derestricted top speed (where the law permits), performance rear spoiler and additional Driver profile selections (Drift and Nuremburg)
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Can you get a trailerhitch in the UK on the R?! :sad: :wink:
Could you get that on the mk7.5 R to? :sad:
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If you want reliable and accurate information, your best hope is to download a brochure. The configurator is notoriously unhelpful
Agree on the configurator, but there’s no guarantee the brochure content is accurate either. I can remember after the launch of the current model Polo the winter pack content in the brochure being wrong for many, many months. Some forum members over on uk-polos.net ordered the winter pack option for their cars based on the brochure description, only to find they didn’t get what they thought they would when their cars arrived. Those forum members who highlighted this to their dealers were by and large compensated, but it does go to show that you can’t rely on the brochure being correct either.
In my experience, VW don’t have a good track record for accuracy of their product literature and marketing material.
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Can you get a trailerhitch in the UK on the R?! :sad: :wink:
Could you get that on the mk7.5 R to? :sad:
The brochure shows it as not being an option on the R or the GTI Clubsport. I’m pretty certain it wasn’t available on the mk7 / mk7.5 R either as I don’t think the mk7 / mk7.5 R was type approved for towing, so I’m assuming that’s the reason for it not being available on the mk8 R.
I think some owners of the mk7.5 fitted a tow hitch solely to attach a cycle carrier to rather than having a tow hitch for towing - to tow a trailer or caravan with a car that’s not type approved to tow would have insurance implications in the UK.
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Can you get a trailerhitch in the UK on the R?! :sad: :wink:
Could you get that on the mk7.5 R to? :sad:
The brochure shows it as not being an option on the R or the GTI Clubsport. I’m pretty certain it wasn’t available on the mk7 / mk7.5 R either as I don’t think the mk7 / mk7.5 R was type approved for towing, so I’m assuming that’s the reason for it not being available on the mk8 R.
I think some owners of the mk7.5 fitted a tow hitch solely to attach a cycle carrier to rather than having a tow hitch for towing - to tow a trailer or caravan with a car that’s not type approved to tow would have insurance implications in the UK.
Thank´s that is probably true :(, you had trailerhitch in the UK configuration.. But that seems wrong.. :angry:
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The R is so expensive it's laughable now!
I'm still not sure why it's priced more than the new S3 though?
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Crazy price and just adding a sunroof makes it £450 tax per year :cry:
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The R is so expensive it's laughable now!
I'm still not sure why it's priced more than the new S3 though?
This is exactly what I don’t understand. I’m just glad I bought a 7.5R as it was a car I’d always fancied owning, even though I’m a gti person at heart. I’d never be able to buy one now.
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Regarding the "Racing Packet" on the Clubsport what does SOP week 48 2021 mean? Does that mean its not available till then or something else?
From the Irish Brochure below.....
PJA RACING
PACKAGE
Note: SOP Week
48 2021
Racing Package for GTI Clubsport. 19” Scottsdale
alloy wheels with 235/35 R19 tyres, Akrapovič
Titanium exhaust system and top speed delimited to
270km/h.
PJB RACING
PACKAGE AND
SEMI SLICK
TYRES
Note: SOP Week
48 2021
Racing Package for GTI Clubsport. 19” Scottsdale
alloy wheels with semi slick sports 235/35 R19 tyres,
Akrapovič Titanium exhaust system and top speed
delimited to 270km/h.
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Not seen those "racing pack" options yet for the clubby mentioned.
The Akra exhaust (for the R) is £3k, wheels and delimit is in the "R performance pack" which is £2k.... I'd guess they might bundle both for a bargain price of £4k maybe...
48 2021 I'd say was week 48 of FY21? which is first week in March 2021.
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Regarding the "Racing Packet" on the Clubsport what does SOP week 48 2021 mean? Does that mean its not available till then or something else?
From the Irish Brochure below.....
PJA RACING
PACKAGE
Note: SOP Week
48 2021
Racing Package for GTI Clubsport. 19” Scottsdale
alloy wheels with 235/35 R19 tyres, Akrapovič
Titanium exhaust system and top speed delimited to
270km/h.
PJB RACING
PACKAGE AND
SEMI SLICK
TYRES
Note: SOP Week
48 2021
Racing Package for GTI Clubsport. 19” Scottsdale
alloy wheels with semi slick sports 235/35 R19 tyres,
Akrapovič Titanium exhaust system and top speed
delimited to 270km/h.
Well I know SOP is Start of Production but I’m actually guessing that wk48 of 2021 is by Calendar year and so this won’t appear until Nov 2021.
I say that as I’ve previously read that VW tends to do model year changes from wk 22 of a given year and that is May time. So I think it’s for this time next year.
Also the German configurator briefly had some extra wheels showing and when you clicked on it it came up for a reference with Edition 45. I posted a thread with a picture in Mk8 forum of VWROC site. Maybe it’s too early to be putting 2 and 2 together, but this racing package etc might be linked to Edition 45 and they won’t be releasing it now until late next year?
What does anyone think 🤔 ?
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That makes sense to me. Vw could make the Ed45 really special before a final Ed50 where I reckon the Golf will end. As said earlier it’ll be interesting to see if the Ed45 will be based on the CS or the regular gti.
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This is only my opinion, but I would expect an ED45 to be Clubsport based given all the GTi Anniversary models I can remember (since the Mk4 certainly) have had more bhp than the standard GTi.
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I see there are black Estoril's in the Irish brochure:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjW6f_czLTtAhVzURUIHXEkCk8QFjAAegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.volkswagen.ie%2Fidhub%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fonehub_pkw%2Fimporters%2Fie%2Fmodels%2Fproduct-guides%2F2020%2F2020-11-06%2F201104_TheAll-NewGolf8_GTIGTDGTE_MY21.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0poY9Z28FVonD1fCWOsu1e (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjW6f_czLTtAhVzURUIHXEkCk8QFjAAegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.volkswagen.ie%2Fidhub%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fonehub_pkw%2Fimporters%2Fie%2Fmodels%2Fproduct-guides%2F2020%2F2020-11-06%2F201104_TheAll-NewGolf8_GTIGTDGTE_MY21.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0poY9Z28FVonD1fCWOsu1e)
I'd be tempted to have those just to avoid bloody diamond cut wheels!
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I see there are black Estoril's in the Irish brochure:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjW6f_czLTtAhVzURUIHXEkCk8QFjAAegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.volkswagen.ie%2Fidhub%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fonehub_pkw%2Fimporters%2Fie%2Fmodels%2Fproduct-guides%2F2020%2F2020-11-06%2F201104_TheAll-NewGolf8_GTIGTDGTE_MY21.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0poY9Z28FVonD1fCWOsu1e (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjW6f_czLTtAhVzURUIHXEkCk8QFjAAegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.volkswagen.ie%2Fidhub%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fonehub_pkw%2Fimporters%2Fie%2Fmodels%2Fproduct-guides%2F2020%2F2020-11-06%2F201104_TheAll-NewGolf8_GTIGTDGTE_MY21.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0poY9Z28FVonD1fCWOsu1e)
I'd be tempted to have those just to avoid bloody diamond cut wheels!
Me too. Not a big fan of black alloys, but IMO they’re preferable to anything diamond cut with poor durability and almost inevitable white worm corrosion 2-3 years down the line.
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Yep I’d go for them too. Pretoria’s are the first non diamond cut alloy I’ve had in ages and wouldn’t want to go back.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GhyKrvbt/5-EA0-DD91-9-B84-4-A68-BF32-63-B3-E7-D3-D0-D5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sv374QQC)
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Just spotted these seats in a VW UK tweet.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9MTWBxGZ/441-C5156-BE8-C-4200-BDF4-D1-B737-B22-ABD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bDycy9Vw)
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Actually I think they’ve been tweeted in error. Mk7 interior bits just visible. Surely not a mistake by Vw. :whistle:
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Ahhh now I read about the clubby having different seats earlier today, but no pictures to go with the article...
" as well as the full digital dashboard and infotainment system you get in a higher specification Golf; the ArtVelours seats, however, are unique to the Clubsport"
Have to say those look lovely seats - far better than the bog standard ones in the GTI/GTD/GTE.... and R...
Oh hang on, that is a Mk7 - it has the sliding cover over the storage compartment (missing on the Mk8) and the arm rest is missing.... this a Mk7
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Yeah I didn’t spot this until I posted. Must be a mistake. Shame though.
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Unless, and hear me out, it’s another mistake where they’ve leaked the Ed45 seats but the photo is from the ed40.
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I think the biggest giveaway that that's a Mk7 is it looks like a 3dr. That rear window...
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Unless, they’ve got a secret 3dr Mk8 CS coming with mk7 interior bits.... :grin:
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If they were going to make a 3dr Mk8 then that's probably the sort of thing they'd do to save cash :whistle:
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If they were going to make a 3dr Mk8 then that's probably the sort of thing they'd do to save cash :whistle:
:grin: Unless.... NO. MUST. STOP.
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With VW seeming to be all about saving cash these days and their move away from building three door models, I can’t see a three door mk8 ever being built, as it’d require three door-specific new body pressings, windows, interior panels, seats and probably many other three door specific parts. All of this would involve extra cost, which goes against VW’s current cost cutting, cash saving approach.
I think the only three door car left in VW’s current model line up is the up!, and I’d expect the next generation up! to be a five door only - that’s assuming there’ll be a next generation up! It’s sibling - the Seat Mii is now an electric-only five door and it looks as if the Skoda Citigo is no longer built.
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It's an odd pic with the Buckets... It looks like a 3 door car? I have a 3 door Mk 7, CS with buckets and from what I have seen, there is no arm rest OR sliding cover over the cup holders with buckets.
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Just to clarify, I wasn’t being serious about a Mk8 3dr with Mk7 interior bits. :laugh:
Unless....
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It's an odd pic with the Buckets... It looks like a 3 door car? I have a 3 door Mk 7, CS with buckets and from what I have seen, there is no arm rest OR sliding cover over the cup holders with buckets.
Now that is odd. Didn’t know that!
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Standard seats are fine to be fair.
(https://i.postimg.cc/52jPHjdQ/9-F3-CC9-B5-5-AE1-464-F-8-A9-C-23-EF386932-A6.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Guess it was an uncharacteristic VW mistake. They’ve now retweeted without the seats in the pictures. :lipsrsealed:
(https://i.postimg.cc/7ZwNNPWX/DB3121-F6-B1-D9-4-D81-8-C4-D-B4-E95-E9-FE217.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zV2WzN5R)
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Their entire marketing effort is woeful. I guess they figure they sell enough cars without trying though.
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VW did all its marketing in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's with the iconic TV adverts. These days the cars just sell themselves while VW's marketing team puts its feet up and laughs at us.
If you tell anyone you drive a GTi, most people that know what one of those is will assume it's a Golf. Even though there are other GTi's in the VW range, and Peugeot has also been making GTi's for decades.
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Finance calculator now working for the CS.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzXDZD0J/76271361-9688-4-FC6-A984-54-AB2-A3-CE955.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R6G7C1sM)
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And your going to want to add nineteens, dcc and a colour... About another hundred ish a month on top of those figures.
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And your going to want to add nineteens, dcc and a colour... About another hundred ish a month on top of those figures.
Strange thing is, I did another quote where I reduced the deposit to cover 19s and dcc. It went up to £495pm.
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19's, DCC and Kings Red should add about £50 or so per month over 4 years.
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19's, DCC and Kings Red should add about £50 or so per month over 4 years.
Exactly as the configurator then.
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Estoril wheels are only for the R now according the Golf 8 brochure.
(https://i.postimg.cc/J00ds0NT/12-AA7-AD0-C7-B6-4554-8-AE7-E51195219-ACB.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Sign me up for a white or grey Clubsport but I’ll source my own wheels I think!
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That is a pretty grim selection of wheels. :sad:
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Bergamo 18's optional for the GTI and GTD? I've not seen those before... that's my pick of that sorry bunch.
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It’s VW having a laugh.
“ You ungrateful bstrds moaned about the perfectly good looking Parkers, we’ll show you ugly wheels “
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Sign me up for a white or grey Clubsport but I’ll source my own wheels I think!
Same! Apart from grey or red for me, Im hoping to put my 19" Pretorias on it. Unsure of fitment yet and if it'll work though
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Bergamo 18's optional for the GTI and GTD? I've not seen those before... that's my pick of that sorry bunch.
The Bergamo's are optional for the R Line only, the pictures don't match the descriptions :nerd:
Remember what I said about the brochure being more reliable than the configurator? Yeah well forget I said it :embarrassed:
Bergamo's are picture 9 and Dallas are picture 8.
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What configuration are you using? The vw uk one is still not working🤔
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Sign me up for a white or grey Clubsport but I’ll source my own wheels I think!
Same! Apart from grey or red for me, Im hoping to put my 19" Pretorias on it. Unsure of fitment yet and if it'll work though
The Pretorias will fit straight on and sit perfectly :afro:
It’s basically the same car underneath after all and the test mules photographed at ze Nurburgring were wearing Prets.
It’s amazing how VW can design a car ground up right down to every little plastic clip and metal washer, order the right bits to arrive at the right time from all around the world ready for assembly, yet when it comes to brochures and Configurators to sell the actual cars to the public it’s always a mess that looks like it’s been assigned to someone as a GCSE project who has absolutely no interest in the product.
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It’s amazing how VW can design a car ground up right down to every little plastic clip and metal washer, order the right bits to arrive at the right time from all around the world ready for assembly, yet when it comes to brochures and Configurators to sell the actual cars to the public it’s always a mess that looks like it’s been assigned to someone as a GCSE project who has absolutely no interest in the product.
Combine that with dealership sales staff who know ever less about the options than the configurator or brochure does...
I never understand that - there are plenty of jobs that need you to know far more than the details of every current VW model and option, yet the sales staff never seem to learn this information. How can you upsell an expensive option (and they all are expensive) if you can't talk about them? Do they even try to upsell options? or don't they care? Is the only thing thats important that the monthly figure is what the customer is prepared to pay and not push it any further?
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@fredgroves; in my experience, the only ‘options’ the sales staff seem interested in selling are those overpriced add-one such as Lifeshine paint protection, VW branded GAP insurance, alloy wheel and tyre insurance that you can buy much cheaper elsewhere if you want them. I dare say sales staff will have monthly targets to hit with these ‘essential’ add-ons. Their sales patter on selling these products doesn’t work with me though.
As for product knowledge of the cars they’re selling; sadly this does seem to be lacking with many sales staff. I have had sales people in the past try and sell me factory options that are part of the standard spec for the car I was buying. When I bought my current car, the sales person was one of a rare breed - they’d been a VW sales person for over 20 years at the same dealership and did know their stuff, which made quite a refreshing change. They still tried to sell me Lifeshine and VW’s GAP cover that I politely declined :grin:.
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Guess it depends on who you are dealing with - the old hands who are the well known discounters will show you the "add on" list while telling you, "I have to show you this but I advise you to purchase any of these things from somewhere else if you want them"
Its on the "Johnny no-stars" folk in the showroom that say "I could cut you an amazing discount on the price - I'll give you 20% off of our gap insurance...its only 500 quid!"
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Yep. Some dealers are great, know their cars and are just looking to make a living. Others are absolute scoundrels. I can remember a dealer close to me offering to give my mum and dad a free 3 year paint warranty. Oh we’ll just throw that in for you because you are lovely people. Problem is, all Vws come with this anyway. Hmmmmmmmm
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Stolen from the R forum but looks like the Gti Cup is mentioned again.
(https://i.postimg.cc/y6FT6LVt/297-AF6-FC-0-FD2-4-A12-8-A64-35-F34-F46466-E.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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It looks like the VW Configurator might have the GTI Clubsport on soon. Just had a look and managed to get the configurator to work and provide a price albeit without any photos. Being a Graphics Manager myself in the creative industry it is shocking they launch a car and the configurator is not up and running on launch day. I would have had diciplinary proceedings for less in my job. But do we expect anything less from the VW Website!
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Specced a CS - white, DCC, 19s, heated front seats, HK stereo and that’s it to keep it under £40k
Will need a good discount though as I’m sure my employer still thinks you can buy a decent car for £15k
I'm hoping for a good discount aswell, otherwise its going to be a poverty spec order going in
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Specced a CS - white, DCC, 19s, heated front seats, HK stereo and that’s it to keep it under £40k
Will need a good discount though as I’m sure my employer still thinks you can buy a decent car for £15k
I'm hoping for a good discount aswell, otherwise its going to be a poverty spec order going in
About 12-13% is what you will find.
And as of right this minute, 10% added back on.
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Anyone used DTD ? would you recommend etc.
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Anyone used DTD ? would you recommend etc.
I bought my Mk5 through them many years ago. More recently my parents bought their Mini through them too.
On both occasions they were fine.
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If anyone wants to hear what the clubsport sounds like, check adam_volkswagen on Instagram for a video
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If anyone wants to hear what the clubsport sounds like, check adam_volkswagen on Instagram for a video
Yes, heard that, sounds great. Which is more than can be said for the standard wheels! Really don't know what they were thinking.
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If anyone wants to hear what the clubsport sounds like, check adam_volkswagen on Instagram for a video
Yes, heard that, sounds great. Which is more than can be said for the standard wheels! Really don't know what they were thinking.
I agree, it sounds fine in an acceptible way without attention grabbing pops 'n bangs!
On the wheels it's clear what they were thinking?
Let's make the standard wheels bad enough that everyone will have to pay up for the 19" wheel upgrade and DCC while they are on the hook for options? :)
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I hate that the only option to ditch them is to go for a 19 too.
Bad enough having to pay to gid rid of those nasty things but then to be lumbered with the cost of running 19's and the ride/performance hit too...
WLTP has a lot to answer for.
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Just a bit odd when the 18" Bevederes were standard previously on the CS and TCR.
There are so many little things which put me off the Mk8.
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If its any consolation, on the 128ti you have a choice of 18's or 19's - one of each.
At least neither is :sick: and you can choose if you want BS's or PS4's for free.
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Just a bit odd when the 18" Bevederes were standard previously on the CS and TCR.
There are so many little things which put me off the Mk8.
Purely to force people to pay more and go to the 19"s so the base price is cheaper.
Agreed on the little things, even the VW sales guy in the comments made a comment about build quality not as good as 7.5, or something to that effect.
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If anyone wants to hear what the clubsport sounds like, check adam_volkswagen on Instagram for a video
Yes, heard that, sounds great. Which is more than can be said for the standard wheels! Really don't know what they were thinking.
I agree, it sounds fine in an acceptible way without attention grabbing pops 'n bangs!
On the wheels it's clear what they were thinking?
Let's make the standard wheels bad enough that everyone will have to pay up for the 19" wheel upgrade and DCC while they are on the hook for options? :)
The extra cost option that boils my p1$$ is the charge for paint. VW will have priced in the cost of painting a car with the ‘free’ colour and it costs no more - or very little more (the cost of a few grams of metal flake in metallic paint, or mica particles in pearlescent paint) to paint a car with one of the extra cost optional colours than it does to paint it the ‘free’ colour. All cars will get primer coat, base colour coat and clearcoat, irrespective of the colour chosen (the exception is Oryx White, where there’s an extra stage in the painting process compared to other colours).
The free colour is often one that’s not popular - remember Black Rubin that was the free colour on the mk7.5 GTI? - so VW know most people will pay extra to have a nicer colour.
I think the Seat approach to paint colour is much better - cost of paint is included in the list price irrespective of which colour you choose.
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I have a question around the 18"/ 19" wheel choice. As it looks from the configurator, if you choose either 18 or 19" wheels you get different suspension. I wonder how that will affect cars that are ordered with 18" standard wheels, but are upgraded to 19" wheels after delivery.
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I have a question around the 18"/ 19" wheel choice. As it looks from the configurator, if you choose either 18 or 19" wheels you get different suspension. I wonder how that will affect cars that are ordered with 18" standard wheels, but are upgraded to 19" wheels after delivery.
Always was the case though - even with factory 19's - you got a car setup for whatever and then you slapped the wheels on.
Sub optimal? For sure.
At least now they are factory tuning it for 19's.
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As these cars are around £40k, I can't help but feel 19" & DCC will be seen as "essential" options on these cars in the secondhand market?
I do appreciate most cars will probably be bought on PPC type deals so the underlying monthly cost will be the major factor?
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As these cars are around £40k, I can't help but feel 19" & DCC will be seen as "essential" options on these cars in the secondhand market?
I do appreciate most cars will probably be bought on PPC type deals so the underlying monthly cost will be the major factor?
Essential for some, but secondhand cars sell much the same as new ones - nobody cares much about options or even spots them.
Mileage, condition, colour, distance from buyer and price.... all of those come before options in 2nd hand cars. Most will give up hunting for a specific option long before deciding to buy that one perfectly optioned car 500 miles away.
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I have a question around the 18"/ 19" wheel choice. As it looks from the configurator, if you choose either 18 or 19" wheels you get different suspension. I wonder how that will affect cars that are ordered with 18" standard wheels, but are upgraded to 19" wheels after delivery.
Always was the case though - even with factory 19's - you got a car setup for whatever and then you slapped the wheels on.
Sub optimal? For sure.
At least now they are factory tuning it for 19's.
I’ve noticed too that with factory 19’s they add on little black “winglets” (not sure what else to call them) on the wheel arches. Not sure of their purpose...
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In what way is the factory suspension on a mk7 ordered on 18's different to one ordered on 19's?
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In what way is the factory suspension on a mk7 ordered on 18's different to one ordered on 19's?
Yes my point - they are the same. And in other non-UK markets, the default option is 17's too.... and UK cars will have been identical setup wise.
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I have a question around the 18"/ 19" wheel choice. As it looks from the configurator, if you choose either 18 or 19" wheels you get different suspension. I wonder how that will affect cars that are ordered with 18" standard wheels, but are upgraded to 19" wheels after delivery.
Always was the case though - even with factory 19's - you got a car setup for whatever and then you slapped the wheels on.
Sub optimal? For sure.
At least now they are factory tuning it for 19's.
I’ve noticed too that with factory 19’s they add on little black “winglets” (not sure what else to call them) on the wheel arches. Not sure of their purpose...
I presume it's because of the extra width of the 19's combined with the new suspension geometry means the edge of the tyres would otherwise be too close to the outside of the arches.
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I have a question around the 18"/ 19" wheel choice. As it looks from the configurator, if you choose either 18 or 19" wheels you get different suspension. I wonder how that will affect cars that are ordered with 18" standard wheels, but are upgraded to 19" wheels after delivery.
Always was the case though - even with factory 19's - you got a car setup for whatever and then you slapped the wheels on.
Sub optimal? For sure.
At least now they are factory tuning it for 19's.
I’ve noticed too that with factory 19’s they add on little black “winglets” (not sure what else to call them) on the wheel arches. Not sure of their purpose...
I presume it's because of the extra width of the 19's combined with the new suspension geometry means the edge of the tyres would otherwise be too close to the outside of the arches.
They did the same for the mk6 R when specced with 8x19’s and a few other models with upgraded wider alloys too. Not sure if the up! GTI has little spats like those also, can’t remember now
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You could always follow Lee at Cheltenham VW’s example (evo1986) and get some original Clubsport wheels fitted to the reborn one.
Hot off the press:
(https://i.postimg.cc/59Kzn3jt/7-E92-F519-2798-4-F38-972-D-511-C43976-F57.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wtrt40GR)
(https://i.postimg.cc/1XXqyg7P/9172-C015-8-D4-C-47-AC-84-BE-37-D58-EE7-DE5-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/n98zkLtw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gj76jY1h/97-A3-CAC4-3-A6-D-4-B89-B6-D5-4-F23129-C879-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/T5rPHXd2)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LXHP0QzJ/EB4-FABB8-7338-49-C6-8113-BC81764-D5-FC2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
and god said (https://poemsonly.com/poem/1597)
:cool:
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I’ve noticed too that with factory 19’s they add on little black “winglets” (not sure what else to call them) on the wheel arches. Not sure of their purpose...
I presume it's because of the extra width of the 19's combined with the new suspension geometry means the edge of the tyres would otherwise be too close to the outside of the arches.
They’re known as wheel arch spoilers and are fitted to cars with larger / wider wheels and tyres. Their function is to cover the area of tyre tread that might protrude beyond the bodywork when wider wheels / tyres are fitted.
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If I'm paying for wheels, no way are they going to be diamond cut EVER.
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You could always follow Lee at Cheltenham VW’s example (evo1986) and get some original Clubsport wheels fitted to the reborn one.
Hot off the press:
(https://i.postimg.cc/59Kzn3jt/7-E92-F519-2798-4-F38-972-D-511-C43976-F57.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wtrt40GR)
(https://i.postimg.cc/1XXqyg7P/9172-C015-8-D4-C-47-AC-84-BE-37-D58-EE7-DE5-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/n98zkLtw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gj76jY1h/97-A3-CAC4-3-A6-D-4-B89-B6-D5-4-F23129-C879-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/T5rPHXd2)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LXHP0QzJ/EB4-FABB8-7338-49-C6-8113-BC81764-D5-FC2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
and god said (https://poemsonly.com/poem/1597)
:cool:
Massive difference looks great, getting my Prets on it are going to look awesome :grin:
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If I'm paying for wheels, no way are they going to be diamond cut EVER.
It’s good to know there’s someone else on the forum who seems to dislike diamond cut alloys as much as I do.
Mine are coming off my car next week!
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If I'm paying for wheels, no way are they going to be diamond cut EVER.
It’s good to know there’s someone else on the forum who seems to dislike diamond cut alloys as much as I do.
Mine are coming off my car next week!
I've had two Mk7s and both of them just before 3 years have had problems with white worm. And both refused to be fixed by VW. Its just not on.
Certainly not something I am going to pay for to suffer!
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If I'm paying for wheels, no way are they going to be diamond cut EVER.
It’s good to know there’s someone else on the forum who seems to dislike diamond cut alloys as much as I do.
Mine are coming off my car next week!
What wheels are going on and there’s the review of the new car you’ve sneaked in? :whistle:
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If I'm paying for wheels, no way are they going to be diamond cut EVER.
It’s good to know there’s someone else on the forum who seems to dislike diamond cut alloys as much as I do.
Mine are coming off my car next week!
What wheels are going on and there’s the review of the new car you’ve sneaked in? :whistle:
I’ve not posted a review - didn’t think that Golf owners would be too interested in my new Polo GTI+ :grin:.
My new wheels are at the link below - the ferric grey ones in 18” to replace my diamond cut Brescia alloys (18” version that’s available on the Polo GTI). New wheels are exactly the same size / spec as the Brescias and they use existing VW wheel bolts so they’ll be a straight swap without the need for new bolts / spigot rings.
https://www.brock.de/en/felgen/rc-design-rc32-en/
Apologies for going off topic.:embarrassed:
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Of course we’re interested!
It’s not like it’s a BMW or anything!! :grin:
Start a new thread and I can plague you with questions.
Right, back on topic...
(https://i.postimg.cc/1XXqyg7P/9172-C015-8-D4-C-47-AC-84-BE-37-D58-EE7-DE5-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/n98zkLtw)
:drool:
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Wow wheels make all the difference, best Mk8 I've seen yet.
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Completely agree. Best Mk8 I’ve seen too. Wheels do make a massive difference to the Mk8.
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There are 9 CS advertised on AT already.
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There are 9 CS advertised on AT already.
The Atlantic Blue one for 34,960 must are an error by the dealership
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Totally agree good wheels make a huge difference. Looking back to when I first saw the Brescia - Reflex combo on the 2016 Clubsport and thinking it was the worst combination, as nice as those wheels look on the reflex silver MK8 CS, they would look far better on a white or dolphin grey MK8 CS.
I am not a fan of the MK8 wheel choice. Prets on a dolphin grey CS would be great IMO.
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There are 9 CS advertised on AT already.
The Atlantic Blue one for 34,960 must are an error by the dealership
Those wheels and that colour are an error. :grin:
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I’ve noticed too that with factory 19’s they add on little black “winglets” (not sure what else to call them) on the wheel arches. Not sure of their purpose...
I presume it's because of the extra width of the 19's combined with the new suspension geometry means the edge of the tyres would otherwise be too close to the outside of the arches.
They’re known as wheel arch spoilers and are fitted to cars with larger / wider wheels and tyres. Their function is to cover the area of tyre tread that might protrude beyond the bodywork when wider wheels / tyres are fitted.
I've seen these today on a Mk8 GTI with 19's. I looked carefully and yes, without those seemingly useless winglets the tyre projects beyond the width of the car - illegal.
Nice cheap solution to the problem.
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Look at this CS from AT. Ignore the transport blocks. Interesting alloys.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rwBk0YNb/371-DC3-BC-258-C-4817-B827-4-BBF84-D353-A8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/87m3x43B)
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Those are the 18 inch Bakersfield alloys fitted as standard to the GTD.
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Those are the 18 inch Bakersfield alloys fitted as standard to the GTD.
Knew I’d seen them somewhere before. Thanks. Odd to fit them to a Clubsport though.
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Yep, definitely a bit odd. No obvious reason for it :undecided:
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For anyone who’s interested, I’ve just been sent a video by VW Manchester. They have 3 Clubsports in. One of which will be a demonstrator.
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Have someone found the Actice Info display standard and PRO? ,Want to see if the !0" is worth over the 8"... :whistle:
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Have someone found the Actice Info display standard and PRO? ,Want to see if the !0" is worth over the 8"... :whistle:
NavPro?
I've been trying to figure that out... made harder because UK cars have a 10" screen by default.... is this NavPro? Nobody knows... NavPro is still listed on the configurator for 1600GBP. Nothing to tell you what you get.
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Have someone found the Actice Info display standard and PRO? ,Want to see if the !0" is worth over the 8"... :whistle:
NavPro?
I've been trying to figure that out... made harder because UK cars have a 10" screen by default.... is this NavPro? Nobody knows... NavPro is still listed on the configurator for 1600GBP. Nothing to tell you what you get.
The Navipro is a 10" in front of you!, and you can have the map in that to!
Are you shore you get a 10" and not a 8" in front of you?.. :sad:
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For anyone who’s interested, I’ve just been sent a video by VW Manchester. They have 3 Clubsports in. One of which will be a demonstrator.
Yes please - do you need a pm or are you going to post it here?
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Digital Cockpit Pro - 10.25" high resolution TFT dash display screen with customisable menus and information...
But that is the display behind the steering wheel, not the one in the middle.
And its standard across all UK golfs... Even if you choose Life.
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For anyone who’s interested, I’ve just been sent a video by VW Manchester. They have 3 Clubsports in. One of which will be a demonstrator.
Yes please - do you need a pm or are you going to post it here?
Wasn’t going to post the video as the cars have their transport coverings on. It was more a case of giving the details in case anyone wanted a test drive. Here’s a photo of the white one though.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK94XVch/000794-F8-3-A3-F-4-F8-F-93-FA-47-ED1477-FCAE.png) (https://postimg.cc/1fNMjgrH)
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The other 2 are Dolphin Grey and black. All on 18s. I can post pictures if you like.
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Digital Cockpit Pro - 10.25" high resolution TFT dash display screen with customisable menus and information...
But that is the display behind the steering wheel, not the one in the middle.
And its standard across all UK golfs... Even if you choose Life.
You mean that the 10,25" behind the wheel is standard?, we only get the 8".
We have to option the Cockpit Pro to get a 10,25".... :sad:
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Yes that is standard on ALL UK golfs, not just the performance ones.
I still don't know how to get the map onto the AID - I've just read the manual.
And I've also googled the entire internet to try to work out what NavPro gives you for 1600 quid.
I've even found a vehicle with it fitted and looked and the manual for that - still no clues. Looks exactly the same as the one I looked at yesterday without it.
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Wow! Is that white car a CS?
From the photo if you saw that from 10 feet away you would struggle to see it was a CS or anything special?
Where as a Mk7 CS, with it's special front bumper, wheels & black mirrors speeds past in a blur, leaving an enormous sense of wellbeing that stays with you for the rest of the day! :)
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Yes that is standard on ALL UK golfs, not just the performance ones.
I still don't know how to get the map onto the AID - I've just read the manual.
And I've also googled the entire internet to try to work out what NavPro gives you for 1600 quid.
I've even found a vehicle with it fitted and looked and the manual for that - still no clues. Looks exactly the same as the one I looked at yesterday without it.
:sad:You are right!, my dealer must informed me wrong..
Cockpit PRO is standard.... But If you don´t get the Discover PRO, you only get a 8" media display?!.. :grin:
I get nuts of this confusion... :angry: :grin:
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Golf Clubsport review incoming from Volkswizard 👍🏻
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So according to the review this comes from, this car has Nav Pro:
(https://res.cloudinary.com/dcxcqe9c9/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_force_strip,q_80,w_480/w_1000,ar_16:9,c_fill,g_auto,e_sharpen/v1596104548/blog/VW%20Golf%20Mk8/images_original_25809-GOLF8STYLEDEANSMITH020-min.jpg)
I've looked at hundreds of interior shots and I can't see how that setup is any different to any other shot I could find.
I've looked carefully at how far the entertainment screen extends beyond the (horrible) buttons underneath it - they all look exactly the same.
I am though looking for probably less than 1cm difference between a diagonal measurement of 10cm vs 8cm.
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Wow! Is that white car a CS?
From the photo if you saw that from 10 feet away you would struggle to see it was a CS or anything special?
Where as a Mk7 CS, with it's special front bumper, wheels & black mirrors speeds past in a blur, leaving an enormous sense of wellbeing that stays with you for the rest of the day! :)
I think that it’s clear that it’s not a regular gti. Tbf I don’t think the Mk8 CS is supposed to replace the Mk7. It’s now a trim level. The Mk7 is an anniversary edition in my head.
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Wow! Is that white car a CS?
From the photo if you saw that from 10 feet away you would struggle to see it was a CS or anything special?
Where as a Mk7 CS, with it's special front bumper, wheels & black mirrors speeds past in a blur, leaving an enormous sense of wellbeing that stays with you for the rest of the day! :)
I think that it’s clear that it’s not a regular gti. Tbf I don’t think the Mk8 CS is supposed to replace the Mk7. It’s now a trim level. The Mk7 is an anniversary edition in my head.
Agreed, the Mk8 CS definitely looks a bit more special than a standard GTi, especially with the 19's.
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Volkswizard video review of the Clubby now on YouTube :smiley:
https://youtu.be/cTBvy3amJo4
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So I found the answer about the NavPro (see the NavPro thread)
I also discovered this comment about the eye watering prices of Golfs...
The price in Euros has not gone up very much.
The weakness of the pound since 2016 means that VW has to charge more pounds to get the same amount in Euros.
So when the price was £30 k and the pound was at 1.4 euros, VW got 42 k euros for the car.
Now the pound is at 1.1 euros, VW is charging £40 k to get 44 k euros.
Not much inflation in euros over six years!
That actually makes a lot of sense and I had never thought of it like that before.
Not quite sure why I never imagined that crashing the UK economy wouldn't have an effect on things built outside of it....
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Volkswizard video review of the Clubby now on YouTube :smiley:
https://youtu.be/cTBvy3amJo4
Just seen it, VW take my money :grin: Good video as usual from him with decent information. Looking forward to the full test drive/ deeper review next year. As I'm sure other viewers can tell, he likes it immediately just from that short drive. Got my test drive booked for the weekend/ next week.
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Volkswizard video review of the Clubby now on YouTube :smiley:
https://youtu.be/cTBvy3amJo4
That was a fair review, I'm surprised he didn't really make any comparison of the drive with his own TCR, the lower final drive would be apaarent even at running in speeds?
I have to say the CS just seemed dull aesthetically. I am surprised it doesn't have CS written anywhere, maybe VW learnt their lesson on the take up for TCR side graphics? :)
I specced a metallic, Dcc, 19", Hud CS and it came to £41, 200. That seems a lot of money for a car that looks so bland?
Personal opinion, I am sure some will love the discrete looks of this CS.
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Volkswizard video review of the Clubby now on YouTube :smiley:
https://youtu.be/cTBvy3amJo4
That was a fair review, I'm surprised he didn't really make any comparison of the drive with his own TCR, the lower final drive would be apaarent even at running in speeds?
I have to say the CS just seemed dull aesthetically. I am surprised it doesn't have CS written anywhere, maybe VW learnt their lesson on the take up for TCR side graphics? :)
I specced a metallic, Dcc, 19", Hud CS and it came to £41, 200. That seems a lot of money for a car that looks so bland?
Personal opinion, I am sure some will love the discrete looks of this CS.
I think the aesthetics are coming on the special edition 'cup' or 'ED45' version of the clubsport down the line. I cannot see this Clubsport being the top of the line for the GTI. Thats when you will get the badges/ stickers and a different wheel choice etc
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So I found the answer about the NavPro (see the NavPro thread)
I also discovered this comment about the eye watering prices of Golfs...
The price in Euros has not gone up very much.
The weakness of the pound since 2016 means that VW has to charge more pounds to get the same amount in Euros.
So when the price was £30 k and the pound was at 1.4 euros, VW got 42 k euros for the car.
Now the pound is at 1.1 euros, VW is charging £40 k to get 44 k euros.
Not much inflation in euros over six years!
That actually makes a lot of sense and I had never thought of it like that before.
Not quite sure why I never imagined that crashing the UK economy wouldn't have an effect on things built outside of it....
That is a bit misleading though. Back in 2012 when the Mk7 came out the exchange rate wasn't much different to what it is now. Also there are things to deduct off that such as VW UK overheads, distribution/delivery costs and first year tax which are unrelated to the exchange rate.
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Obviously there are some VW prices increases too (inflation, wage increases, more tech included "free") but if you look at this graph:
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=10Y
You will see the "Mk7 Golf R for a fiver a month" period maps exactly on the exchange rate peak.
Its this period which colours our idea of what an R is worth.
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Volkswizard video review of the Clubby now on YouTube :smiley:
https://youtu.be/cTBvy3amJo4
Oval exchaust pipes? :sick:
No clubsport badge? :whistle:
Having those (mk7) 19's without the winglets makes the wheels stick out beyond the body work? or aren't they 235s?
Foglights deleted to make room for air intakes.... then blanked off???
Art Velours, big tick!
Bigger turbo though - might fix that drop off at the top of the revs thats annoying in sport mode and the gear ratios are closer. Should be good actually.
Extra power? meh I'd live without that actually, the turbo and gear ratios will be the winner.
Loud exhaust? Can be a pain in the bum tbh. Too much attention and noisy over long distances. Each to their own.
R has extended paddles.... i never knew that. Easy fix though. Adding flappy paddle upgrade to my Mk8 GTI parts list!
Good review though - cuts through a lot of the confusion around what exactly you are getting.
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Yeah the Brescia's are actually a perfect upgrade for the Mk8 if you're not going for factory fit 19's as they're only 7.5J wide and therefore shouldn't poke out any further than the 18's. Pretoria's on the other hand are 8J wide so strictly speaking you may have an issue with those.
I don't much care for the loud exhaust either. I'd take it if it's there, but it's not something that would lure me in.
I'm a bit disappointed with the interior if I'm honest. I know they may be holding something back for an ED45, but carrying over the Art Velours, as nice as it is, is a bit lazy. Also no red accents, piping, Clubsport badges? Not even a GTi logo on the seats.
Still it's a good value for money upgrade over the standard car. But much like yourself I think the standard car would probably be enough for me.
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I was reading some stuff yesterday about the new modern peril of dashcam footage - every police force lets the public upload footage and they can and do prosecute.... makes (extreme) speeding somewhat of a hazard and I question whether more power than 98% of the things on the road actually has any purpose at all now.
Certainly made me think twice about pressing the go pedal now everything you pass could be a stasi informer....
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I was reading some stuff yesterday about the new modern peril of dashcam footage - every police force lets the public upload footage and they can and do prosecute.... makes (extreme) speeding somewhat of a hazard and I question whether more power than 98% of the things on the road actually has any purpose at all now.
Certainly made me think twice about pressing the go pedal now everything you pass could be a stasi informer....
I think VW have realised this- or more importantly they have realised that their customers have realised this.
They offer the base gti with exactly the same power output as the outgoing model ( given that the 230 hasn't been available for a while). That hasn't happened before.
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It could be that or it could be the CO2 thing.... they can't afford to have a popular model push their CO2 figures up too much. They sell a lot of GTI's, its an iconic model for them, better keep those numbers down.... it won't change whether people want a Mk8 - the selling point is digital (love it or hate it) and handling (gotta love some handling improvements!)... not power.
But anyway, the stasi informer thing now fills me with dread.... I'm not even a hooligan.... too old to be a hooligan!
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Starting to check out the discounts available - my ideal specification is £39,920 OTR according to the VW configurator (trying to keep it under 40k)
Checked Drive the Deal and can get £5,647 discount, which makes it £34,272 - roughly 14% off list. Not bad at all
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Starting to check out the discounts available - my ideal specification is £39,920 OTR according to the VW configurator (trying to keep it under 40k)
You do know that the £40k is based on 'list price' not 'OTR price'?
The £40k 'list price' limit is the RRP, VAT, delivery charges and pre-delivery inspection charges. It doesn't include the first registration fee or the cost of first VED. So on the Clubsport you have an extra £595 to play with. :)
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Starting to check out the discounts available - my ideal specification is £39,920 OTR according to the VW configurator (trying to keep it under 40k)
Checked Drive the Deal and can get £5,647 discount, which makes it £34,272 - roughly 14% off list. Not bad at all
If you go all the way through DTD to get a quote, do you get contacted? I seem to remember running through a quote with them a few years back and had a bloke on the 'phone within half an hour asking me if I wanted to proceed. It may have been that I ticked a certain box on the way through....
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Starting to check out the discounts available - my ideal specification is £39,920 OTR according to the VW configurator (trying to keep it under 40k)
Checked Drive the Deal and can get £5,647 discount, which makes it £34,272 - roughly 14% off list. Not bad at all
If you go all the way through DTD to get a quote, do you get contacted? I seem to remember running through a quote with them a few years back and had a bloke on the 'phone within half an hour asking me if I wanted to proceed. It may have been that I ticked a certain box on the way through....
I’ve never been contacted by them just by getting a quote.
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Really disappointed with that Volkswizard review. More of a brief drive than a review. Tbf he did say he’d be driving it again in January.
What I’d like to know is if the car needs dcc. Didn’t feel that was clear at all. But again, limited time and limited roads. Would have been good to compare against the TCR but that’s probably a video for another day. One thing that surprised me was how good Reflex Silver looked.
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Reflex Silver is definitely my pick of the colours for the mk8. In the flesh it's head and shoulders over the others, but I've not seen Atlantic blue.
The lack of comments on dcc was frustrating but i think you'd need to test it both with and without to get the real answer.
Also that car had eighteens retro fitted with non mk8 nineteens on it. On the mk8 the suspension is tuned for the wheel size in the factory. I think it would be unfair to comment on the ride much under those circumstances.
My test drive of the normal gti on eighteens was perfect without dcc though...
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Saw an Atlantic Blue yesterday and quite liked it. There are maybe two schools of thought (i) the best colours that suit the GTI and show it off best 'as a GTI' and (ii) colours that perhaps tone it down so that it flies under the radar a bit - something I might consider given where I live.....
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Starting to check out the discounts available - my ideal specification is £39,920 OTR according to the VW configurator (trying to keep it under 40k)
Checked Drive the Deal and can get £5,647 discount, which makes it £34,272 - roughly 14% off list. Not bad at all
If you go all the way through DTD to get a quote, do you get contacted? I seem to remember running through a quote with them a few years back and had a bloke on the 'phone within half an hour asking me if I wanted to proceed. It may have been that I ticked a certain box on the way through....
When I bought my GTI through them, from memory you have to select "submit enquiry" (i think) or if not it is "order car" before they contact you
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Starting to check out the discounts available - my ideal specification is £39,920 OTR according to the VW configurator (trying to keep it under 40k)
You do know that the £40k is based on 'list price' not 'OTR price'?
The £40k 'list price' limit is the RRP, VAT, delivery charges and pre-delivery inspection charges. It doesn't include the first registration fee or the cost of first VED. So on the Clubsport you have an extra £595 to play with. :)
I didn’t know that, thank you :smiley:
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Reflex Silver is definitely my pick of the colours for the mk8. In the flesh it's head and shoulders over the others, but I've not seen Atlantic blue.
The lack of comments on dcc was frustrating but i think you'd need to test it both with and without to get the real answer.
Also that car had eighteens retro fitted with non mk8 nineteens on it. On the mk8 the suspension is tuned for the wheel size in the factory. I think it would be unfair to comment on the ride much under those circumstances.
My test drive of the normal gti on eighteens was perfect without dcc though...
I didn’t think the suspension was different wether you chose 18 or 19”s from new, the only difference is with 19”s you get the black plastic winglets on the arches. There’s no mention of different suspension setups depending on what wheel choice you go for on the configurator
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Reflex Silver is definitely my pick of the colours for the mk8. In the flesh it's head and shoulders over the others, but I've not seen Atlantic blue.
The lack of comments on dcc was frustrating but i think you'd need to test it both with and without to get the real answer.
Also that car had eighteens retro fitted with non mk8 nineteens on it. On the mk8 the suspension is tuned for the wheel size in the factory. I think it would be unfair to comment on the ride much under those circumstances.
My test drive of the normal gti on eighteens was perfect without dcc though...
I didn’t think the suspension was different wether you chose 18 or 19”s from new, the only difference is with 19”s you get the black plastic winglets on the arches. There’s no mention of different suspension setups depending on what wheel choice you go for on the configurator
On the Irish product guide / configurator it says you must spec either Adaptive chassis or “sport suspension for 19’s” (which is zero cost, but it’s not clear at all what exactly the difference is). Exact wording re this suspension is:
Note: Must be ordered in conjunction with PDF (Sports Suspension for 19” alloy wheels) on GTI / GTD models for €0.
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Reflex Silver is definitely my pick of the colours for the mk8. In the flesh it's head and shoulders over the others, but I've not seen Atlantic blue.
The lack of comments on dcc was frustrating but i think you'd need to test it both with and without to get the real answer.
Also that car had eighteens retro fitted with non mk8 nineteens on it. On the mk8 the suspension is tuned for the wheel size in the factory. I think it would be unfair to comment on the ride much under those circumstances.
My test drive of the normal gti on eighteens was perfect without dcc though...
I didn’t think the suspension was different wether you chose 18 or 19”s from new, the only difference is with 19”s you get the black plastic winglets on the arches. There’s no mention of different suspension setups depending on what wheel choice you go for on the configurator
On the Irish product guide / configurator it says you must spec either Adaptive chassis or “sport suspension for 19’s” (which is zero cost, but it’s not clear at all what exactly the difference is). Exact wording re this suspension is:
Note: Must be ordered in conjunction with PDF (Sports Suspension for 19” alloy wheels) on GTI / GTD models for €0.
I think that was on the configurator a few weeks ago but seems to have been removed now the GTI as been ‘reuploaded’
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It was there Monday when I was configuring my choice...
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Not sure if anyone has posted this, so ignore if it has already
https://youtu.be/cTBvy3amJo4
I really want one, it’s a bit pricey tho. :sad:
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It was there Monday when I was configuring my choice...
Still there on the UK one anyway
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It was there Monday when I was configuring my choice...
Still there on the UK one anyway
Got it - if you configure a GTI without DCC and select 19”s you get the sports suspension prompt, but when you do the same thing for Clubsport you don’t get the prompt.
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Not sure if anyone has posted this, so ignore if it has already
https://youtu.be/cTBvy3amJo4
I really want one, it’s a bit pricey tho. :sad:
The comments were interesting, apparently a comparison between the new CS and the TCR is next...
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It was there Monday when I was configuring my choice...
Still there on the UK one anyway
Got it - if you configure a GTI without DCC and select 19”s you get the sports suspension prompt, but when you do the same thing for Clubsport you don’t get the prompt.
Aha OK, last time I looked the clubby configuration was still broken lol.
Maybe with the already lowered ride it doesn't have that adjustment?
It's a shame we don't have anyone with access to the workshop system to see if there are any part number differences.
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Starting to check out the discounts available - my ideal specification is £39,920 OTR according to the VW configurator (trying to keep it under 40k)
You do know that the £40k is based on 'list price' not 'OTR price'?
The £40k 'list price' limit is the RRP, VAT, delivery charges and pre-delivery inspection charges. It doesn't include the first registration fee or the cost of first VED. So on the Clubsport you have an extra £595 to play with. :)
I didn’t know that, thank you :smiley:
You're welcome. For something dealers could be making more money on, I'm very surprised more explanation isn't given/known. This isn't just VW, in my experience you could ask most salesman and they wouldn't know off the top of their head, they'd have to look it up. It's also not explained on the VED GOv website, nor in any of the literature/brochures.
Just think of all those extra £595's they are losing and missing out on. :)
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Just turned down a CS test drive tomorrow. Might go for a nosey at least.
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Big news! The CS is now listed to search for on AT. Exciting times! :grin:
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Please don’t judge me but this is the first picture I’ve seen where the 18s look ok.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVPXrCsQ/E495-AD55-2141-4-FE8-820-B-9-FD860-BD70-FC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnZv8pPn)
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I'm going to say its because the phone camera is distorting the image, making that front wheel look larger... Its now bigger than normal, but still ugly af
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Probably right there!
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Please don’t judge me but this is the first picture I’ve seen where the 18s look ok.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVPXrCsQ/E495-AD55-2141-4-FE8-820-B-9-FD860-BD70-FC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnZv8pPn)
That photo angle is doing the wheels a lot of favour, still don't like them.
Got my test drive of the Clubsport tomorrow and I've been told its on the standard 18"s aswell. Will be interesting to see how hideous they are in the flesh compared to photos
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Take a barf bag or try not to look, just get straight in and drive lol.
You should have fun though, it's got to be a hoot to drive.
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I don’t think they look so hideous there either. I saw a video presentation of a similar one earlier this week from GTI world in Edinburgh and also thought it looked “acceptable”.
There is an awful lot of Matt black plastic on that front bumper though and I’m not decided if i love that or not.
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Test drove an Atlantic Blue one the other day and wheels looked ok. Maybe they work better with some colours and not others. Speaking of wheels, saw a pic of a new white GTE on Carwow and that looked hideous - may have been 17s....
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The mk8 GTI wheels are looking more swastika than ever
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Saw my first Mk8 gti on the road today. Black. Looked quite good.
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Clubsport test drive done
In a nutshell - it’s a TCR with the Akrapovic as standard, which is not surprising.
If you’ve driven a TCR, the clubsport is basically the same under the skin, but the ride is harder. Car had standard 18”s no DCC and it’s fairly solid. This is from someone who drives a no DCC GTI PP with 19”s daily.
Power delivery is great, noise is fantastic. A really deep grunt with pops, sounds very very similar the akrapovic on the TCR/ R (I’ve driven both before). Brakes are great again, same as TCR.
Interior is awesome, seats are fantastic and a massive step up from the 7.5 seats. Buttons on the steering wheel are fine, I don’t get the hate for them at all.
3 things - 1. no start stop button, you have to dig into the menu to turn it off every time absolute PITA 2. You can’t flick the DSG stick to manual, you have to press one of the paddles - fine, but what if I want to flick to manual on the paddles but not change gear at the same time and stay in the current gear?
3. 100% confirmation from the sales manager a hotter version is coming called ED45 or cup, they don’t know which or when. They have no idea on what it will have, such as anymore more power, manual etc they just know it’s coming
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Enjoyed reading your thoughts there. My R has 19s and no DCC which I find absolutely fine after having various GTIs without it too. Looks like the Mk8 will need it.
Good to hear about the Cup/Ed45. It’ll probably be way more than I want to pay for a car though!
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Enjoyed reading your thoughts there. My R has 19s and no DCC which I find absolutely fine after having various GTIs without it too. Looks like the Mk8 will need it.
Good to hear about the Cup/Ed45. It’ll probably be way more than I want to pay for a car though!
Same boat as me - I don’t mind my 19”s with no DCC but that clubsport was harder. Also I should say, they expect the hotter version to be R or even more money.
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Enjoyed reading your thoughts there. My R has 19s and no DCC which I find absolutely fine after having various GTIs without it too. Looks like the Mk8 will need it.
Good to hear about the Cup/Ed45. It’ll probably be way more than I want to pay for a car though!
Same boat as me - I don’t mind my 19”s with no DCC but that clubsport was harder. Also I should say, they expect the hotter version to be R or even more money.
If it was R money I’d be pleasantly surprised. Glad I’m not due to change yet!!
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Nice analysis Clarky!
Harder than the tcr... Hmm that's not good news for UK roads. I think that's definitely the end of the clubby for me. I don't want a track focused car for my daily driver and adding dcc AND swapping to non oem 18's is a step too far for me. Basic gti with options is a better choice for me.
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Equipment details
Detachable Towbar
£735 1
£735, Other options at additional costs may be required.
Someone Spec there Clubsport with a towbar?!, didn´t think that was possible :sad:
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Looks like Mk8 GTi Clubsport on Mk7 Brescia's may become 'a thing'. 🤷♂️
https://youtu.be/XItqUHpCyp0
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cheap as chips!
I saw that car sales for 2020 were catastrophic.... might explain a lot of what is out there at the moment
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cheap as chips!
I saw that car sales for 2020 were catastrophic.... might explain a lot of what is out there at the moment
What do they expect, over £40k now for an R :grin:
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cheap as chips!
I saw that car sales for 2020 were catastrophic.... might explain a lot of what is out there at the moment
What do they expect, over £40k now for an R :grin:
I meant in general....
The coronavirus pandemic pushed UK car sales in 2020 down to the lowest level since 1992, the biggest annual slump since the second world war despite surging sales of electric cars, according to industry data.
Sales fell by 29% during the year to about 1.63m, preliminary figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) showed.
The main cause of the decline was the first lockdown imposed in March, the crucial month when sales are usually helped by a change in number plates. Car showrooms in England were closed from late March until June, forcing companies to quickly move to online sales and bring in social distancing in factories.
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I wonder what 2021 will bring :rolleyes:
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Factories and dealerships were closed in lockdown 1. In lockdowns 2 & 3 factories are open, and dealerships are trading (albeit remotely). Therefore i'd expect 2021 to be significantly better than 2020 for the motor industry, unless covid takes a really bad and unexpected turn for the worse. 🤷♂️
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Just for comparison a vanilla spec Golf R with no options is €62,345 in Ireland :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
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Drivethedeal for the R
£33,700
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Just specced an R on the Irish configurator
Lapiz
DCC
Winter Pack
HK audio
€64718,91.....!
I feel Volkswagen Ireland will struggle to sell many. VRT to blame. GTD still 3k more than a GTI which has always been the case for some reason?
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We’ve been allocated our Golf R launch car today build week 6. Haven’t been this excited about a new car since 2014........MK7 Golf R in Lapiz blue that turned up with that awful Nappa Biege leather combo :sick:
Was just a salesman back then earning my stripes and my sales manager let me have it after a few weeks and she never got it back :cool:
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We’ve been allocated our Golf R launch car today build week 6. Haven’t been this excited about a new car since 2014........MK7 Golf R in Lapiz blue that turned up with that awful Nappa Biege leather combo :sick:
Was just a salesman back then earning my stripes and my sales manager let me have it after a few weeks and she never got it back :cool:
Make sure Mr Chapple gets a spin in it!
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What's the difference, why so excited this time Lee?
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Partly down to spec, this is the first Golf 8 we have had with DCC.......it also has Pro Navigation as well as being white with a Pan roof. I also have a set of Black Pretoria’s to go on it which I think are going to make it look incredible!
To Confirm our launch car spec:
Pure White
Pan roof
DCC
Pro Navigation
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Did we ever fully get to the bottom of what Pro Nav adds over and above the standard nav?
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I was going to ask the same...what the hell does nav Pro do?
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It would be good to know what evo1986 see is different between the Nav Pro and standard Nav system on the Golf 8? I keep wondering if I should configure the Nav Pro when I take the plunge on a new Mk8 Golf R/Clubsport, but like many others cannot find out what is really different between both setups and whether it's worth the £1600 to upgrade on my configuration.
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Partly down to spec, this is the first Golf 8 we have had with DCC.......it also has Pro Navigation as well as being white with a Pan roof. I also have a set of Black Pretoria’s to go on it which I think are going to make it look incredible!
To Confirm our launch car spec:
Pure White
Pan roof
DCC
Pro Navigation
Though not essential and many like the firmer ride the DCC with Pretoria will likely make for a really lovely ride when put it into comfort and normal for those longer rides out - DCC is great tech in the MK 7 series so with all the noises on the slightly improved ride and handling on the MK 8 it should be quite noticeable.
Was a critic of the MK 8, its pretty awful in its vanilla wrapping, and the GTi has not changed that view with that woeful front end and the standard alloys, but the ClubSport has improved on the front end and the R has then upped that once more, think they have maximised the best MK 8 can look on the R, with all the pumped up performance features.
Will never be sold on the interior tech as being a good thing, mainly on safety and distraction, but obviously you would adapt to it and train self to use the steering wheel menus more, and be interested the real world feedback you get in the showroom (when allowed) and as these MK 8 roll out
Did see someone on the VWROC forum order a £50k R with the performance pack and akrapovic, thats serious money, makes my TCR seem a bargain!
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Pssssst... wanna see an R?
https://youtu.be/eeZ58H2NhEY
Doesn’t have the obligatory £10k of options to be down with the cool kids but it’s at least a UK spec one actually in the UK in the proper R colour.
(apologies if it’s already been posted elsewhere)
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Pssssst... wanna see an R?
https://youtu.be/eeZ58H2NhEY
Doesn’t have the obligatory £10k of options to be down with the cool kids but it’s at least a UK spec one actually in the UK in the proper R colour.
(apologies if it’s already been posted elsewhere)
I saw this one last night. I’m really not sure about the R this time. It really needs to performance pack imo.
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Pssssst... wanna see an R?
https://youtu.be/eeZ58H2NhEY
Doesn’t have the obligatory £10k of options to be down with the cool kids but it’s at least a UK spec one actually in the UK in the proper R colour.
(apologies if it’s already been posted elsewhere)
I saw this one last night. I’m really not sure about the R this time. It really needs to performance pack imo.
I agree. Needs the 19s and the spoiler to set it apart from the rest of the range
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That seat trim is somewhat garish!
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The wheels are absolute gash. Whoever's in charge of wheel design in VW in recent times needs to be shown the door pronto.
The CS is the better looking car imo. But like the CS, the standard wheels are so dreadful that I'm sure the 19's / performance pack makes a big difference.
Noticed that too about the door cards in the CS. Cheap nasty cloth... in the MK7 if you spec'd those art-velour seats, you got the pleather door cards. More penny pinching.
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That seat trim is somewhat garish!
I actually like the seat trim.
The TCR trim which is near identical but in red looks really garish in photos and vids but actually isn’t in the flesh.
I guess the feedback from the mk7 R interior being as exciting as an undertakers raincoat must’ve inspired VW to do that very German thing of going from massively dull to somewhat OTT in reply.
Germany is the nation that decided bright red straight leg jeans and man-bags were fashionable in the ‘80’s after all.
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Them seats 🤮
It looks like they look their inspiration from a 1980’s Renault Clio
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That seat trim is somewhat garish!
I actually like the seat trim.
The TCR trim which is near identical but in red looks really garish in photos and vids but actually isn’t in the flesh.
I guess the feedback from the mk7 R interior being as exciting as an undertakers raincoat must’ve inspired VW to do that very German thing of going from massively dull to somewhat OTT in reply.
Germany is the nation that decided bright red straight leg jeans and man-bags were fashionable in the ‘80’s after all.
So what you’re saying is these aren’t fashionable anymore? Thanks for the heads up. Glad I kept those receipts.
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That seat trim is somewhat garish!
I actually like the seat trim.
The TCR trim which is near identical but in red looks really garish in photos and vids but actually isn’t in the flesh.
I guess the feedback from the mk7 R interior being as exciting as an undertakers raincoat must’ve inspired VW to do that very German thing of going from massively dull to somewhat OTT in reply.
Germany is the nation that decided bright red straight leg jeans and man-bags were fashionable in the ‘80’s after all.
So what you’re saying is these aren’t fashionable anymore? Thanks for the heads up. Glad I kept those receipts.
I don't think they'll take them back if you've had good wear out of them :wink:
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That seat trim is somewhat garish!
I actually like the seat trim.
The TCR trim which is near identical but in red looks really garish in photos and vids but actually isn’t in the flesh.
I guess the feedback from the mk7 R interior being as exciting as an undertakers raincoat must’ve inspired VW to do that very German thing of going from massively dull to somewhat OTT in reply.
Germany is the nation that decided bright red straight leg jeans and man-bags were fashionable in the ‘80’s after all.
So what you’re saying is these aren’t fashionable anymore? Thanks for the heads up. Glad I kept those receipts.
I don't think they'll take them back if you've had good wear out of them :wink:
Jeeez that made me spill my Kia Ora! :grin:
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That seat trim is somewhat garish!
I actually like the seat trim.
The TCR trim which is near identical but in red looks really garish in photos and vids but actually isn’t in the flesh.
I guess the feedback from the mk7 R interior being as exciting as an undertakers raincoat must’ve inspired VW to do that very German thing of going from massively dull to somewhat OTT in reply.
Germany is the nation that decided bright red straight leg jeans and man-bags were fashionable in the ‘80’s after all.
So what you’re saying is these aren’t fashionable anymore? Thanks for the heads up. Glad I kept those receipts.
I don't think they'll take them back if you've had good wear out of them :wink:
Jeeez that made me spill my Kia Ora! :grin:
Hopefully not on your jeans :tongue:
I'm more of a Libby's Moonshine man myself.
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That’s made me laugh today! :grin:
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My preferred tipple is Um Bongo, they drink it in the Congo apparently.
(I've never been to the Democratic Republic of the Congo, but if I ever did, I'd been keen to establish this as a proven fact)
Anyhow, just demonstrating my relevance in modern Britain.
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My preferred tipple is Um Bongo, they drink it in the Congo apparently.
(I've never been to the Democratic Republic of the Congo, but if I ever did, I'd been keen to establish this as a proven fact)
Anyhow, just demonstrating my relevance in modern Britain.
:grin: You’ve got to love this place!
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What must any new members reading this page be thinking? :undecided: