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Title: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: p3eps on 17 April 2010, 21:05
I originally installed my Bluetooth kit with the Mic in the Overhead Light compartment.  It worked OK, but the quality wasn't great.  I tried moving it to the A-pillar... where it was much better.

This guide will cover putting the Mic in the overhead light first, and then fitting in the A-Pillar a bit further down.  Most of it is shared no matter where your mic is though!  I was going to remove the light assembly bit - but it may be useful for someone retrofitting the OEM VW Phone kit, or the Skoda kit.

Tools required:
A plastic trim tool
A Torx T20 screwdriver
A ruler / coathanger (or something similar)
Some electrical tape.
A couple of Tie Wraps
A little bit of patience!
Some foam or something padded to wrap the Control Module in - to save it rattling.

FITTING MIC IN OVERHEAD LIGHT COMPARTMENT

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Poke the trim tool in the area circled above.  Lever it, and it should POP! 

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Gently pull that side until its loose, and then repeat at the other side.  This piece of trim will come off.  Put it somewhere safe!

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The circled area above is where the OEM Mic lives.  There is a piece of foam in there to block the noise.  If you're using the standard Fiscon Mic then you should remove this foam, split the Mic housing open, and put the actual Mic inside this.  Follow the Fiscon Instruction Manual for this here: http://fiscon-mobile.com/products/mic.php

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Put the trim tool in the area circled above.  It will come off like a flap.  You may need to prise around the lined area to get this one off.

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Leave the flap on, and remove the two torx T20 screws which are circled above.

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The overhead light assembly should now be loose, and hang down.  Fit your Mic into where you removed the foam from.  If you're using the Standard Fiscon Mic, then you'll have a bit of the housing attached to the cable.

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You can tuck the rest of your Mic housing into the bit where the red tape is in the above image.  It should be fairly well wedged in, but I put a bit of tape over it to prevent it rattling at a later date.  If you're not using the standard Fiscon Mic, then ignore this!

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Open up your sun visor - the next step is to remove the light under there.  Pop your trim tool in the circled area, and the light should pop out fairly easily.  Just leave it connected as its not really in the way.

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Get a ruler or something similar and tape the Mic's plug onto the end of it.  Don't use a lot of tape as its going to be tricky to get it off!

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Feed the ruler into the light assembly.  It should be pretty easy to feed it to the sunvisor light.

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Once you can see the ruler, undo the tape and pull the Mic cable through.  If you've gone overboard with the tape, this might be a bit tricky through the tiny hole!

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Now we need to remove the overhead handle... or 'Jesus Handles' as they're referred to in my house.  Jeeeeezus - as you grab on when going round a corner on two wheels!
Anyway... ping back the 2 flaps and then remove the 2 Torx T20 screws underneath.  The handle should then just pull off with a little bit of force.

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The purpose for removing the 'Jesus Handle' is to give us a bit more flexibility.  If you open the door and pull back the seal, you'll find that you can now pull the roof lining down a little bit beside the handles.  This is where we're going to feed the cable to.

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Bend a coat hanger to a shape like above.  Once again, tie the Mics jack plug onto the end of the coat hanger.  Very carefully feed the coat hanger back into the Sun Visor Light - and aim for the area around the 'Jesus Handle'.  You'll need to pull the seal back a little on the door / roof and put your fingers in to try and grab it.  This bit is tricky and took about 10 minutes until success.  Have a little patience!!

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Hopefully without too much hassle you'll end up with the Mic Plug poking out above the door.  Untape it, and pull the remaining cable through.  Gently feed the coat hanger back the way.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: p3eps on 17 April 2010, 21:06
FITTING MIC TO A-PILLAR

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Inside the Fiscon box you will get 3 pieces for mounting.  The one above is the most discreet, and will do us fine.  Don't bother removing the sticky backing, as it will be pretty secure where we're going to put it.

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Pull back the rubber seal around the door a bit, and then put your finger in to pull the trim back slightly.  Put the Mic where it is in the picture, and feed the cable in the direction of the arrow.

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Now you have the cable in and the Mic in place, slide the mounting piece in between the trim.

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Push it fully in.  It will hold in there quite securely.

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Clip the Mic into the holder.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: p3eps on 17 April 2010, 21:07
STEP 2 - FOR EITHER MIC POSITION

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Lift the rubber seal, and carefully push the cable in.  You should feel the top of the trim where the cable will tuck in nicely behind.  Feed it right down the door pillar.

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Once you get it to the area above, then stop.  Remove the fuse panel cover by prising it off from the bottom.

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Gently pull the piece of trim back (its only held on with a clip) and route the cable where the arrow goes.

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Open the little cubby hole.  Squeeze the areas circled and push them in the direction of the arrows.  Whilst pushing, try and open the cubby more - and it will fully open past its usual amount.
Simply tug the drawer towards you, and the whole drawer should come away in your hands!

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Feed the cable through the fusebox and out of where the drawer came out.  I used a couple of tie wraps to keep the cable secure in the fuse box area to save any rattles.

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Take the cable from the fusebox area and through to the next section - under the steering column.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: p3eps on 17 April 2010, 21:07
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The next step is to remove the RCD / RNS.  Simply stick your trim tool like in the photo above, and pop it. 

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Work your way up this side and round the top and bottom.  Once you have it open enough to get your fingers in then use them instead to save risking marking the dash.  The clips are pretty tough and need quite a big pull to get them off.

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Once you get the trim completely off you can remove the 4 x Torx T20 screws that hold the stereo in.

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The stereo will simply pull out.  Disconnect the big CAN connector, small MDI connector, and the twin aerial connector.  If you have a Sat Nav, you will also have a GPS Aerial to unplug.

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Put the stereo somewhere safe - NOT on your leather seats  :shocked:

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Now for the next hard bit.  Wear long sleeves when doing this - as you can see from the photos, I've lost a lot of skin doing this!
Put your left arm in the stereos compartment - right to the back, and then put it to the right and down.  Now grab the Mic cable in your right hand, and put it in the underneath of the steering wheel.  Try and get your hands to meet each other in the middle - and pass the cable to your left hand.  Now you should have the Mic cable where it needs to be.

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I found the next stage was made easier by removing the climate control.  Its only a few clips and 4 x Torx T20 screws.  You don't HAVE to do this, but it means you can fit the stereo and still have access to the underneath - for tucking the bluetooth module in.
Grab the trim round the climate control and gently pull it off - it has 4 clips that will pop off.  Just lay it ontop of your gear lever... and DONT unplug the airbag switch as you will probably get an error!

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Remove the 4 screws that are circled above.  They stay attached to the climate control... but pull them out and put them somewhere safe as they can fall out!

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You should now have something like this.  You can now stuff your Fiscon box down the back of the climate control.  I haven't done this yet, but am going to get some rubber or similar to wrap round it to save it rattling about.  Make sure all your wires are secured and don't rattle. 

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Whilst performing this operation, I swapped my RCD510 for an RNS510.  The connections are identical, apart from the RNS has a GPS Antenna to plug in.  The easiest place to fit the antenna is up above where the stereo sits.  You can see in the picture above the RNS antenna is on the right.  I also have another GPS antenna on the left for my Micro RoadPilot.  If you put your hand up, you should feel the space.  My GPS antenna was just a little loose, so I stuck a few layers of electrical tape on the bottom of it to 'beef it up'!  Then it slotted in and felt very secure.

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Here is a zoomed in picture of the antenna (before I covered its base in red electrical tape!).  The hole is basically in behind the air vents.

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Plug all the connectors back into the stereo and gently slide it into its housing.  You may find that it sticks because of the amount of wires in the back.  Here is where it is useful to have the climate control off, as you can put your hand in and pull the cables out of the way.

Now its just a case of putting everything back together the opposite way that you took it apart!!
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: p3eps on 17 April 2010, 21:07
VagCom Coding  for dummies  :laugh:

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Click 'Select Control Module'.

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Choose '19-CAN Gateway'.

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Click on 'Coding - 07'.

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Choose 'Long Coding Helper'.

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On the bit marked '3)' count along to the 6th box (marked 06 on mine - although it may be different on yours).  This is 'Byte 5' - as it goes 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - hence the 6th box is Byte 5!
Click the box circled which is 'Bit 2 [77] Telephone'.

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Click 'Exit'.

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Click 'Do It!' - it will take a few seconds and tell you coding is successful.

Now exit out back to the main menu.
Hold the button next to the eject button on the RNS / RCD510 and whilst holding, press the 2 arrow buttons (on the other side of the CD slot).  Hold these 3 buttons for about 10 seconds, and the RNS / RCD will reboot.  Once it starts up again, the Phone button should be active  8)
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: am1w on 17 April 2010, 21:20
Wow, really impressive! :smiley:
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: p3asa on 17 April 2010, 21:46
Great write up and well done for removing the fascia without breaking any of the clips.
I was really careful with mine but still managed to snap 2 of them off  :angry: Good news it though it still fits tightly but can come easily if I want it off.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: Ess_Three on 17 April 2010, 21:47
p3eps,

Quality info there...
Slightly off topic with this one - perhaps the subject of another fine 'how to'?

Where are you planning on putting / or have put, your Sat Nav antenna?
Darren was saying the Mk6 doesn't have the grill on top of the sash to hide it below, as the Mk5 does...so where does it go?
Anywhere behind the dash it'll work?


Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: p3asa on 17 April 2010, 21:50
There are 2 wee ledges that the GPS will fit into just above where the head unit sits.
I wrapped mine with kitchen roll so it was a tight fit and didn't rattle. I've been really impressed with the signal especially since the unit is hidden inside the dash.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: Ess_Three on 17 April 2010, 21:56
There are 2 wee ledges that the GPS will fit into just above where the head unit sits.
I wrapped mine with kitchen roll so it was a tight fit and didn't rattle. I've been really impressed with the signal especially since the unit is hidden inside the dash.

Don't suppose you took any pics?
Maybe better in a different thread?
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: p3asa on 17 April 2010, 22:12
No but you can't miss them.
Top left and Top right at the back of where the stereo goes. Probably about 2cm in height.
Any car stereos I've ever fitted I've found there is absolutely no room and you really have to struggle to push the stereo back as the ISO loom gets in the way and it becomes a nightmare. But the Golf is like a tardis in there. I've installed the Fiscon at the back of mine and the GPS and the head unit still has tons of room.

I've temporarily put my RCD510 back in but when I swap it with the RNS, I was going to video it and show how it is literally a 5 minute job.  If p3eps doesn't have any pics of the small ledge for the GPS I'll include it in the video.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: Ess_Three on 17 April 2010, 22:26
No but you can't miss them.
Top left and Top right at the back of where the stereo goes. Probably about 2cm in height.
Any car stereos I've ever fitted I've found there is absolutely no room and you really have to struggle to push the stereo back as the ISO loom gets in the way and it becomes a nightmare. But the Golf is like a tardis in there. I've installed the Fiscon at the back of mine and the GPS and the head unit still has tons of room.

I've temporarily put my RCD510 back in but when I swap it with the RNS, I was going to video it and show how it is literally a 5 minute job.  If p3eps doesn't have any pics of the small ledge for the GPS I'll include it in the video.

That's the spirit! Cheers...
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: p3eps on 17 April 2010, 23:34
I've temporarily put my RCD510 back in but when I swap it with the RNS, I was going to video it and show how it is literally a 5 minute job.  If p3eps doesn't have any pics of the small ledge for the GPS I'll include it in the video.

I'll be swapping back to the RNS tomorrow, so I'll take a pic when I'm finishing my how to.
I also fitted my Micro Road Pilot which has a GPS antenna - which I put at the other side.
Its obviously not as good having the antenna's under the dash as it would be having them on the roof - but the hour I drove about with it under the dash I had 7/8 satellites most of the time.

I took out the climate control for putting my Fiscon box in behind as there is heaps of room, and it means you can push in the RNS and pull out the cable at the same time.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: Sebby on 19 April 2010, 21:19
Great job. Thanks! :grin:
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: p3eps on 19 April 2010, 22:09
UPDATED!!!
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: VWKev on 19 April 2010, 22:36
As some of you know, I've changed my Mic location to the top of the A-pillar as the call quality of the standard Fiscon Mic in there was dreadful.
I'll take some more photos and modify the guide to cover fitting there too in the next day or two  :nerd:
Once I get my head round the VagCom coding I'll post simple instructions for that too.


Looking forward to the modified guide for the a-frame  :smiley:
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic in light assembly.
Post by: p3eps on 19 April 2010, 22:39
Looking forward to the modified guide for the a-frame  :smiley:

The modified one will be simply starting at the point of tucking the cable in the rubber down the pillar - with a photo or two of how to place the Mic.  I'll leave the other bit there incase anyone decides they want to fit the OEM kit... or maybe my OEM butchered Mic will work great tomorrow - and it will be useful again!!
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: am1w on 20 April 2010, 20:15
p3eps: All I can say is wow! :smiley:
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: VWKev on 20 April 2010, 20:30
p3eps, thanks ever so much for doing that. top man.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: p3eps on 20 April 2010, 20:58
Updated - with VagCom instructions
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: mjc on 25 June 2010, 12:26
Thanks for this P3eps

This helped me tidy up a microphone install which was fitted at PDI (Volkswagen Touch Kit), the installer had used the large microphone holder that is designed to fit round the vehicle headlining, didn't look good at all sticking out of the A-Pillar trim.

Purchased the smaller holder off of eBay and following you tip to remove the A-Pillar trim I tidied things up – much happier!

One thing that surprised me about the install in my vehicle is that the Golf manual (Curtain airbag page) makes a big point (lots of drawings and red lines) that nothing should be placed near the 'Airbag' exit points to avoid injury should the curtain airbags be triggered. I queried the positioning of the microphone and cable with the garage and their reply, 'we always put them there' (don't think Volkswagen HQ would be too happy!).

Anyway, thanks again!

Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: p3eps on 15 January 2012, 20:19
I've just realised most of my photobucket photos have disappeared - so over the next few days I'll gradually upload them again.
I've just spent the last hour doing the first section - editing and resizing them.  Will get there eventually!
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: The Doc on 16 January 2012, 14:43
Nice one ;-)

Imageshack don't seem to pull photo's like photobucket do  :wink:
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: p3eps on 17 January 2012, 15:05
Nice one ;-)

Imageshack don't seem to pull photo's like photobucket do  :wink:

I don't think it was photobucket's fault.  I think I had too many highlighted when I pressed 'delete' and lost them all by mistake!  Not to worry - they're all still in my old phone backup folder, so it's just a case of finding which one goes where, and drawing any red arrows on where necessary!
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Critter on 15 February 2012, 11:52
Just want to thank you for a fantastic guide.  Way better than anything else I've seen, and I've seen a lot of guides on this subject!  Most of them I could not follow, where as this is brilliant - you should copywrite it :smiley:!  I'm going to attempt to install the 97W unit this weekend into the wife's mk6 gti - I'm just hoping the dialogue, from the point where the pictures disappear, is sufficient to get the job done.  Particualrly for a technical numpty like me :rolleyes:.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Critter on 19 February 2012, 17:06
Just to report, with these instructions, I successfully installed the latest OEM bluetooth into the wife's GTi.  A huge thank you as I would not have attempted it without.  One suggestion I'd make is, when trying to pass the mic cable from the fuse panel area to the back of the audio unit I used a coat hanger.  I threaded the hanger through from the audio hole and taped the phone cable to it, then pulled it through.  Took seconds and no scratched arms :wink:!

A couple of questions, if anyone knows the answers.  Firstly, I can't get the MFSW controls working.  Do I need an extra cable or is it a VCDS coding issue?  Second point is that I did not need to use VCDS to get bluetooth working, albeit the MFSW is not working the phone.  I followed the coding instructuons provded here, but when I got to the part where I should have ticked the box, I had a completely different set of information on screen and nothing at all about bluetooth, phone, audio etc.  Is this because it's the OEM bluetooth instead of Fiscon?  Or is it because I've got the RCD 510 and not the RNS?

Any help, much appreciated.

Edit:  Now got the MFSW working okay, but have some errors still reported by VCDS, relating to audio, radio and telephone respectively.  Does not seem to affect anything though??
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: p3eps on 09 April 2012, 21:20
Finally - all the pics are back!  :laugh:
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: finnie on 13 June 2012, 05:29
Where is the best place to get hold of a blutooth set up, OEM that is, Ebay??
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: dubber36 on 15 June 2012, 21:11
Where is the best place to get hold of a blutooth set up, OEM that is, Ebay??

I've bought and fitted 4 of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-BLUETOOTH-KIT-SEAT-SKODA-MFD3-RNS-510-RNS-310-RCD-510-RNS-315-5K0-035-730-D-/280897465371?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4166cb2c1b

Next day delivery and never a problem.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: abh100 on 29 August 2012, 21:47
Great instructions and pics - kudos p3eps!

I've swapped my factory RCD310 with an RCD510 off of eBay (very easy) - next is to source an OEM BT with rSAP and a DAB antenna (doh! :rolleyes:).

What I'm not clear about is where exactly you'd put the BT unit behind the air con controls - I can't make that out in your pics.  Also do you end up with a huge coil of cable?

I found these instructions for a 3C8035730C kit from poland that shows you how to fit it under the passenger seat: http://www.carsystems.home.pl/instrukcje/bluetooth%20golf%20VI.pdf

Have you got any pics or recommendations on how to fit the BT control unit behind the air con?  Did you wrap it in anything in the end?
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: p3asa on 30 August 2012, 15:46
I wrapped mine in a towel to stop it rattling and you don't hear a thing.
As for space, its a tardis in there. Loads of room so don't worry that you'll need a shoehorn to get it in.

Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: abh100 on 30 August 2012, 17:17
Seriously?   :huh:  In a cotton towel surrounded by other (albeit 12V) electric cables?
I almost imagined you should screw it to something using its fixing points.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: p3asa on 30 August 2012, 23:31
Yeah seriously!
Been there for just under 3 years without an issue. All the VW wiring is covered by a cloth tape anyway so there is no heat source.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: dubber36 on 31 August 2012, 10:41
Mine is just stuffed down behind the heater controls. I didn't even wrap it in anything. I just found a place to wedge it in and not heard a peep out of it since.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: finnie on 30 October 2012, 16:24
Ok so got one of these off beatable nod just got it all fitted. So far so good. In fact it all works from the rns510 after guessing the Bluetooth code!!!! Well happy!

There is a but though, my airbag light is now on. I did start the car with the surround for the heating system off so the light for the passenegrairbag wasn't plugged in. Could that be it?

I'm hoping that letting the car shut down will clear things up so that when I start it again in a couple of hours all will be fine. Just in case I thought I'd ask here.

All opinions welcome.

Next job is vagcom to do the other programming for the MFD. anyone in Moray/Aberdeen/Inverness who can help?
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: p3eps on 11 November 2012, 19:50
There is a but though, my airbag light is now on. I did start the car with the surround for the heating system off so the light for the passenegrairbag wasn't plugged in. Could that be it?


Yep - disconnecting the airbag light is enough to do it.  I think it'll need the fault cleared by VagCom to get rid of it.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: finnie on 12 November 2012, 20:01
Big thanks to glen mr three-_ss for helping me out today. Say nav Woking one the mfd, same with the Bluetooth. Also got the staging on the car and my airbag light cleared. Well happy!
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: abh100 on 18 February 2013, 21:04
Big thanks p3eps for your guide - I bought my BT module from www.carsystems.pl and it arrived, from Poland, with all the cables and everything needed to do it quite simply.  The mic is now successfully in the OEM slot above the front courtesy lights (accidentally chipped the lens on one - damn! Only comes down on one side!), and a good bit of coathanger poking meant I could get the mic wire around, and followed some CarSystems instructions http://www.carsystems.home.pl/instrukcje/bluetooth%20golf%20VI.pdf (in addition to yours) to install the BT unit quite easily under the passenger seat as intended.

Amazingly, the buttons on the steering wheel work absolutely fine with no need for coding - I can press the phone button, view through my phonebook, etc., via the steering wheel.  Odd that.

Tested the mic by calling my home phone - sounds nice and clear so no need for a mic on the pillar it seems.

However, like a complete and utter plonker I skipped over the warnings on this thread and disconnected the Passenger Airbag light beneath the Aircon when removing the trim, and now have an Airbag warning everytime I turn the ignition on.  Oh dear (*hits head against wall* :rolleyes:).

Does anyone know someone with Vagcom in the Reading/Berkshire area that could reset it for me?
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: abh100 on 24 February 2013, 16:56
BTW - just a quick update in case anyone has the same issue as me:

Having fitted the bluetooth system, for some reason all speakers worked ok with the cellphone, CD, SD, Radio, however the USB and iPod only used the right speakers - the left were silent.

I re-checked the connectors were well seated and also confirmed that, when removing the kit, everything worked OK.

In the end - checked the Pin assignments for my RCD510 on http://www.my-gti.com/1313/volkswagen-rcd-510-pin-assignments and it turned out that Pin 7 (brown/black - aux right input) had been pushed out of the socket on the CarSystems kit - so I rechecked the pins were in the correct places, held the wires firmly and then reseated the connectors - all sorted!

Thanks again to p3eps for the guidance on this thread - very useful!
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Obbzi on 14 April 2013, 20:16
This is a brilliant guide! Very useful and i wil be using it in the next few weeks to install mu new head unit and Bluetooth.

About the mic, I have just bought an RNS315 but there is no mic, what sort do I need? Is it just a 3.5mm jack plug?

Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: abh100 on 14 April 2013, 20:28
So in my case the wiring adapter provided by CarSystems that goes between the car and the head unit has a connector for the mic, and it comes with an OEM mic that you can put in the lights above the rear view mirror - have a look at the zoom picture on here:
http://www.carsystems.pl/vw-bluetooth-kit-7p6035730l-retrofit-newest-version,id417.html

In the pic, the OEM mic is the big square lump on the bottom right.  The connectors for this are two sockets/pins - in this particular wiring loom which are shown coming out of the main connector and to the left of the mic.  It's not a jack.

There is no mic socket on the head unit, as you probably know.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Obbzi on 14 April 2013, 20:35
I thought the RNS315 had built in bluetrooth so no BT module needed? If so I would have though the mic would be a 3.5mm jack? I've not got the head unit yet so cant see the connections  :sad:
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: abh100 on 14 April 2013, 20:47
While quite a few of the VW head-units have a button for "Phone" - I don't think any VW-branded units come with BT inbuilt sadly.  I think that changes with the new kit in the Mk7 Golfs.

To get a head unit with BT inbuilt I think you have to look for an alternative to VW.

Looking on the web it looks like this holds for the RNS315 too - some people have used Fiscons or VW OEM kits (like the link I posted) with them.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Obbzi on 14 April 2013, 20:49
I currently have a Pionner AVIC F9110BT which I had in my Mk5, but I have decided to sell that as I thought the rNS315 had BT built in!  :laugh: :shocked: Oh well will see what happens when it turns up
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Obbzi on 14 May 2013, 15:57
This is a fantastic guide and helped me out a great deal!

Thanks for all your effort  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Eeef on 29 May 2013, 16:40
Just getting ready to do the coding, but it seems I'm missing a few bytes...

(http://i43.tinypic.com/e8snz6.png)

Any ideas?
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Obbzi on 01 June 2013, 11:58
It would appear not all RNS315 have bluetooth built in to them, the only way of telling is to do with one of teh numbers on the side, mine doesn't have bluetooth so I have to buy a module for under the seat :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Eeef on 04 June 2013, 16:23
Just doing the hardware install for this and I've got a couple of mystery connectors :)

There are two white connectors that come out of the new plug end for the RNS-510, any ideas what they're for?
The white one to the right is for the mic input.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/mm5qac.jpg)
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: TomS_ on 23 July 2013, 22:25
Does anyone know the difference between these kits:

http://www.carsystems.pl/vw-bluetooth-kit-7p6035730f-retrofit,id219.html
http://www.carsystems.pl/vw-bluetooth-kit-7p6035730l-retrofit-newest-version,id417.html
http://www.carsystems.pl/vw-bluetooth-kit-7p6035730k-retrofit-newest-version,id600.html

Basically the only difference I can see is the last letter of the part number of the BT module itself. The description seems to be the same, and they all have the same functionality, and all have the same price.

From what Ive heard, the K model is the very latest?

Im looking to fit BT in to my MY12 GTD.

Thanks!
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: TomS_ on 21 August 2013, 19:23
Ok, some more confusion.

I finally got around to asking the guys what the difference is between those 3 models, and they came back to tell me he 7P6 modules would have problems with phonebook download, so I should go with a 3C8 module, for an extra 60 euro or so...

From my research it looks like the 3C8 module is an RSAP capable module, something I wasnt particularly interested in.

Phone book functionality is obviously important, so Im wondering if anyone here can comment on that?

Have been trawling around the web for an hour or so now trying to find information about incompatabilities but coming up with nothing?

Thanks.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: DaveyGTD on 15 January 2014, 00:28
Hey guys, so looking over this thread, thanks to original poster it looks a fairly easy job, but would it be better to buy an RNS-315 which already has Bluetooth built in and then wire the mic instead of buying the VW Bluetooth Kit?

Ultimately, would there be any difference between the 2? Ie would you still get display on the MFD of caller ID/phonebook, would it be controllable via the MFSW / support AD2P etc etc

Currently wondering whether to go the 315 option which is more 'all in one box' as it will work out a bit cheaper overall (taking into account the sale of the RCD it replaces).

Appreciate any help in advance!
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: dubber36 on 15 January 2014, 08:24
I've got a RNS315 in my Passat and an RCD510 with added on bluetooth in my Golf.

Sat Nav aside,for usability and features, the 315 is a much better overall package, however I'm sure that there was someone on here that had problems getting a 315 to work in a Golf. It must be doable tho'. A neighbour has a 2009 Golf SE with a shark fin aerial. I had a peep through the window and he has a 315. I'm pretty sure that radio wasn't around in 2009, so I suspect that it originally had a RNS510 and at some point a dealer has swapped it from a Passat or similar if the customer wanted an upgrade. I'm not sure which MFD his Golf has, or is it has a MFSW for that matter. I'll have to go and find out.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: DaveyGTD on 15 January 2014, 21:58
Can't see it being an issue, i've had quite a few of these type of cars (Leon, Golf, A3, more Leons, More Golf's  :grin:) I seem to remember retrofitting the RNS-510 a few times, but not the 315, although my Leon FR had one of those as standard and was a 59 plate.

I'll give it a whirl mate! :)
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: DaveyGTD on 21 January 2014, 14:35
I fitted it today took about 30 minutes or so, didn't need to use a coat-hanger just the good old stick your hands through and play 'reach the cable'  :grin: it's generally a very easy job, and thanks to the OP some nice tactics such as removing handles to get a bit more access :)

I used the factory VW mic from Kufatec for a completely OEM install, you can get it here;

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/Volkswagen/Golf-6-5K/Wiring-Microphone-for-VW-RNS-315-Bluetooth-Only

Basically, the mic sits in the hole in the interior light area (as the first page original poster shows) then you feed that Kufatec harness to the back of the RNS-315, and fit it inside the quad lock, code it and job done.

The RNS-315 does not have a Jack input for a mic, it uses the cable above which is to my knowledge only available from Kufatec, only takes a couple of days to arrive to be fair.

To fit the GPS antenna, best thing to do is undo the 2 screws underneath the heater vents (you will see them once you take the radio out) and then the whole heater vent unit pops out, there is a gap at the top, pop a bit of velcro or double sided tape on the bottom of the GPS and stick it to the top part, feed the wire down the side, nice and easy - replace heater vents, all good & lots of signal.

Only thing I will say, is that the RNS-315 does not seem to let me control the phone using the MFSW, pretty sure I can hang up using the phone button on the steering wheel, but cannot dial out or do anything like that, it all seems to be controlled purely through using the 315 interface.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Obbzi on 21 January 2014, 19:21
SeanyK, does your RNS315 have built in Bluetooth? I had to buy a seperate module and wiring harness and I still havent got round to fitting this
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: DaveyGTD on 21 January 2014, 22:48
It does mate yeah, you might as well flog that and get one that has it built in, be a lot easier, although that said if I can't use the telephone button on the MFSW it may actually be better to get a separate module, as whilst it's nice using the 315 to dial numbers etc, its not as good as using the MFD to select contacts and dial using the steering wheel etc.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Obbzi on 22 January 2014, 06:01
It does mate yeah, you might as well flog that and get one that has it built in, be a lot easier, although that said if I can't use the telephone button on the MFSW it may actually be better to get a separate module, as whilst it's nice using the 315 to dial numbers etc, its not as good as using the MFD to select contacts and dial using the steering wheel etc.

Cheers! Think I will go with the BT module so I can use MFSW for dialling (hopefully!)  :whistle:
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: adey1 on 30 March 2014, 13:37
hi guys/girls new to the forum just got a mk6 gt tdi 09 reg in the georgia metalic blue and been planning a few mods my first being fitting a rns 315 and mircophone thanks to this great forum fitting the mircophone was a doodle got from these guys
http://www.carsystems.pl/wiring-microphone-3b0035711b-for-vw-rns-315-bluetooth-only,id388.html
gave some great advice and for 38 euro delivered  couldn't go wrong
this one comes with a black connector which fits into the qaudlock on mine i noticed there was a previous poster struggling to get the green connector to stay in, that one is for 2010 on, the black one is for 09 cars.
and thats all i needed fitted to the car entered the code on rns 315 and everything works fine i get the phone and nav on the mfd and the mfsw buttons all control the unit easiest mod i have done just got to get a set of 18 inch vancouver alloys and i'm sorted
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Greg_ED35 on 16 January 2015, 16:03
I have got the oem bluetooth module kit but there at two places on the loom i can plug the mic in ?? Either going to the module or going to the head unit. Any ideas anyone ???

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k180/thedirtjumper/IMG_37731_zpsac2ce230.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/thedirtjumper/media/IMG_37731_zpsac2ce230.jpg.html)

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k180/thedirtjumper/IMG_37741_zpse13f6a83.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/thedirtjumper/media/IMG_37741_zpse13f6a83.jpg.html)

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k180/thedirtjumper/IMG_37751_zps48284a3d.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/thedirtjumper/media/IMG_37751_zps48284a3d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: dubber36 on 21 January 2015, 17:24
It depends on which radio you have or if you have voice control.

Just try it before you put everything back together. If it's in the wrong one, all that will happen is the person on the other end of the phone won't hear you.
Title: Re: HOW TO: Install a Bluetooth Hands Free with Mic.
Post by: Greg_ED35 on 21 January 2015, 19:11
Got it sorted thanks , it was the lead going into the module  :smiley: