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General => Detailing => Topic started by: topher on 30 September 2008, 08:49
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Stolen from our MK5 detailing guru
if that doesnt help try this :cool:
A product that has recently come to promenance in the world of detailing is Detailing Clay. In this thread I aim to write a general guide to what clay is, what its used for and some generic tips for how to get results from clay. :) I will focus on the use of clay for the removal of bonded contaminants.
What Is Detailing Clay??
While clay is growing in popularity with many detailers now, it has certainly not become a well known "household" car detailing product. Detailing clay is a substance that is designed to remove bonded contaminatns from paint, leaving the paint smooth as glass, allowing easier and more fruitful applications of polihses, glazes, sealents and waxes. Detailing Clay is wiped gently across the paint which needs to be lubricated with a lubricant such as a Quick Detailer spray.
Clay, like polishes, comes in levels of aggressiveness - if you are a beginner with clay, do start with a mild clay such as Meguiars Quik Clay, Meguiars Professional Mirror Glaze Clay (mild, the blue bar) or Sonus Green Clay. These mild clays should be enough to remove bonded contaminants from most cars, only step up to a more aggressive clay if absolutely needed.
Clay can be used on paintwork, glass, and wheels. Always use separate clay on each - ie dont first clay your wheels then use the same clay to clay your paint, as all the brake dust embedded in the clay from the wheels will scratch the paint.
What Are Bonded Contaminants??
When you come to wash your car, the paint will be covered in lots of fresh contiaminats such as dust, mud, possibly bird boms and many others. In addition, the paint will also have a growing amount of bonded contaminants attached to it, which accumulate over time:
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When you wash your car, the fresh contaminants are removed from the paint and the paintwork looks clean. However, washing will leave behine the bonded contaminats which are attached to the paint as if they had been glued on:
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These bonded contaminats are hard to see, so after washing your paintwork looks clean. However, if you gently run your fingers acorss the paintwork you may feel that the paintwork feels rough - a bit like stubble in a way. This roughness, grittiness that you are feeling is the bonded contaminants in the paint.
Examples of bonded contaminants are:
> Brake dust - sharp, so embeds itself in the paint
> Industrial fallout
> Tree sap - very sticky so adheres strongly to the paint
and there are many others as well which you're car is subjected to on a regular basis.
Removing Bonded Contaminants - Clay
In order to remove the bonded contaminats and restore a glassy smooth feel to the paint, detailing clay is used. As well as leaving a pleasingly smooth feel to the paint, when you come to polish, glaze, seal or wax, it means that you are now sealing in remaining bonded contaminants if you have removed them by clay. Simply washing and waxing will not remove bonded contaminants, they will be left behind and then just waxed over.
Clay basically works by grabbing hold of the bonded contaminants and pulling them off of the paint surface:
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The contmainats become stuck in the softer clay where they remain. A safety note when using clay here - these bonded contaminats are stuck into the clay and the clay represents a flat surface. Therefore, surface marring can occur if not enough lubricant is used, or the clay is not kneaded regularly enough to a clean side - please see also the section on using clay...
This leaves the paint finish glassy smooth. Clay can remove the bonded contaminants listed above, however some adhesive contaminants such as tar may need a dedicated tar remover as they are very highly adhesive.
Using Clay
Before claying, always wash fresh contaminants off of the car. First and foremost, always follow the manufacturers instruction for the correct use of their detailing clay. What follows here is a generic guide of tips for the safe use of clay which I use from experience of using clay.
To clay your car, you will need a clay bar and an associated lubricant to lubricate the surface and the clay bar - examples of such lubricants are:
> Meguiars Quick Detailer Spray
> Meguiars Last Touch Detailing Spray
> Meguiars #34 Final Inspection
> Clearkote Clay Lubricant
> Pinnacle Poly Clay Lubricant
and there are others that can be used too.
About 40 - 50g of clay is sufficient to clay a moderately sized car. If using Meguiars Quick clay, for example, break off one third to one half of the clay bar (the bigger the car, the more clay you may need).
Roll the clay up into a ball, then out into a sausage shape and finally flatten it out into the palm of your hand. When doing this ensure that the clay is warm and quite soft. It clay gets cold, it can be hard or brittle and this can risk inducing surface marring on the paint. Throughout the claying process, always ensure that the clay remains nice and warm and doesn't go brittle or hard.
Work on small areas at a time, I start with the roof, and then the bonnet, then the top half of the sides, then the boot, then the bottom half of the sides (like washing, do the cleaner areas first). I always spray a panel with quick detailer and wipe off before claying it to remove and rogue dust particles that may have blown onto the paint that may induce marring.
Work on small areas of paintwork at a time - about 2' by 2'. Spray the area with the clay lubricant, enough to wet the surface quite thoroughly. Also spray the clay with lubricant as well. Gently wipe the clay in a fore and aft motion over the lubricated area using only finger light pressure:
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Never clay over a dry area of paint, and if the paint begins to dry out before you are happy that the surface contaminants have been removed (paint will feel smooth), spray on more lubricant. Keep the clay lubricated as well. Once the paintwork feels smooth, gently wipe the remaining clay lubricant away using a soft microfibre towel.
Knead the clay very regularly - this not only keeps the clay warm, but when kneading expose a clean side of the clay. Remember that clay is picking up sharp particles, if you do the whole car with one side of clay you will induce surface marring as all the sharp particles stuck in the clay will ineveitably come into contact with the paint. For this reason, knead the clay regularly and only ever use finger light pressure. When a clean side of clay can no longer be revealed, discard the clay.
Continue until the car is completed. Note that many clays will remove some or all (depending on aggressiveness) of the wax/sealent protection, so always follow up claying with polishing and glazing if required, followed by sealing and/or waxing.
Some Notes on Safe Clay Use
Clay is safe to use if used with care. However, if not used with care it can induce surface marring.
Always regularly knead the clay to a clean side.
Always keep both the clay and the paint surface well lubricated.
Use only finger light pressure
If you drop the clay on the ground, discard it as it will pick up tons of dust and grit and dirt from the ground that will inflict damage to paint.
Keep clay warm, and supple - if it gets cold, hard and brittle it will induce marring, so another reason to keep kneading regularly, especially in winter.
And there we have it, a quick generic starters' guide to clay. :)
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Very helpful mate ill shall attempt this next week. :cool:
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Very helpful mate ill shall attempt this next week. :cool:
It's really easy!
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first night sober in a week and its confused the feck out of me :grin: :grin: :grin: :laugh:
anyone want to do me a noddy guide - and what need :lipsrsealed:
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first night sober in a week and its confused the feck out of me :grin: :grin: :grin: :laugh:
anyone want to do me a noddy guide - and what need :lipsrsealed:
You need a clay bar and some lubricant or water with some clays. You spray on the lubricant and rub the clay untill it's smooth. Dry the car and wash again and polish and wax as normal.
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i clean car almost everyweek!, im planning on giving the clay a go, how often should the clay be used? once every couple of months? cheers :smiley:
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Bout 6 months or so mate. You'll be very surprised the amount of dirt that comes off first time.
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You use it as often as you need to.
For instance if you live next to a railway line, then maybe every month, if your car lives in a garage and dosnt get driven in the wet, then once a year.
Have a feel of the car (back of hand) and if it feels rough, bit like sand paper, then it needs doing.
Once clayed then a decent wax or sealant on top. If you dont have that much cash use Carlack from Tim at CleanYourCar.
I use Bilt-Hamber soft clay with ValetPro Citrus Bling as the lube. Works for me.
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Did this for the first time last weekend - it's easy!
Good results too. Amazing how much crap it lifts out of the paintwork.
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Finally we're all catching up... :laugh:
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How long should your clay last?
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Well you shouldn't really use a clay bar more than once.
If you think of a typical bar of clay, you can split it into 3 or 4 bars, this then gives you 3 or 4 claying sessions.
Chris
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I have got tons of cleaning stuff now gonna have a proper cleaning and claying session at the weekend. :cool:
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this is a really good guide, my car needs doing but didnt wana screw my descentish paintwork
thanks for sharing :wink:
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Interesting post! Great info, cheers! :smiley:
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It says to keep the Clay well lubricated. Is there special stuff needed or is it just water?
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Certain clays can be lubricated by water, otherwise in the initial post, it gives a list of lubricants
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Certain clays can be lubricated by water, otherwise in the initial post, it gives a list of lubricants
if you're giving advice know which ones can be and which can't :wink:
bilt hamber clay can be lubricated with plain water
all other clay need a lubricate solution - I would recommend dodo juice born slippy
tip: if you buy born slippy 'refill' you can pop it into your own spray bottle... the dodo spray bottle that born slippy comes in is crap anyway
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I figured it would clearly state on the box :sad: if someone knew there was a difference, they'd know to make sure beforehand what their choice needs, sorry :(
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I figured it would clearly state on the box :sad: if someone knew there was a difference, they'd know to make sure beforehand what their choice needs, sorry :(
no, it doesn't usually. please don't give advice unless you know the facts for certain or you have a considered opinion.
2. the last part of your sentence doesn't make sense