1.8 non turbo

[Wayne]

Worth remembering VW had to fit a turbo to get a extra 25bhp.

Which I think it's a crap effort as the ABF has 4 less valves and it's a NA engine yet they both produce the same power. Either the ABF is a great engine, or the 20vT is pure balls (when standard).

Yes but the difference is torque, 16v is 133lbs ft, 1.8t is 155lbs ft also worth remembering it is a lot cheaper and easier to get more power out of the 1.8t.

[kano]

Nope, the most you will see is 4 or 5bhp.

Worth remembering VW had to fit a turbo to get a extra 25bhp.
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i thought exactly the same but for a little better driving i think ill try it tbh i would get a 1.8t but insurance aint a good option for me ill post it up when i have it remapped and that and will maybe see everyone at the next rolling road see what has changed

[Khare]

A standard ABF will destroy a standard 20vT though, ABF holds the power for longer.

[topher]

A standard ABF will destroy a standard 20vT though, ABF holds the power for longer.

you win today's talking boll0x award, and i was going to hand it to kells..

[JC]

new quote sorted for me siggy 

[Khare]

I think it was you even that said that though. I'd be up for giving this test a go 

[mcgee9t2]

Nope, the most you will see is 4 or 5bhp.

Worth remembering VW had to fit a turbo to get a extra 25bhp.

i thought exactly the same but for a little better driving i think ill try it tbh i would get a 1.8t but insurance aint a good option for me ill post it up when i have it remapped and that and will maybe see everyone at the next rolling road see what has changed
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you have a 1.8 n/a too?

if so and you get it mapped and you dont put it on here then send me a p.m it would be interesting to see the results you get.

[topher]

I think it was you even that said that though. I'd be up for giving this test a go 

a standard mk3 16v gti being quicker than a standard mk4 1.8t gti is irrelevant, weight is the biggest factor there. As an engine, the 20vt trounces the ABF, sorry to burst your bubble

[Khare]

Oh and bear in mind the mk4 will have a fair bit more of weight on it.

stock 1.8T plot



Len's ABF


1.8T power/weight ratio is 118.51hp/ton

ABF power/weight ratio is 140.08hp/ton

ABF 0-60 is 8.0 seconds according to VW
1.8T is 8.5 seconds.


And toph, I know as an engine the 1.8T is far better. If I had the money I would have stuck a 1.8T in there rather than an ABF.

I was talking about the mk3 with the ABF and the mk4 with the 1.8T, compare them standard, and VW went backwards.

[topher]

A standard ABF will destroy a standard 20vT though, ABF holds the power for longer.

i see no mention of mk3 or mk4 there laddy   be more specific when you're slagging my favourite engine

those dyno graphs just prove the 1.8t superiority further btw