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Title: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 06 January 2019, 21:25
Thinking of taking the plunge - what can I expect for typical running costs with regards to tyres? Does it churn through a pair of fronts in 10k? I’m used to getting 20k+ out of mine, albeit in my 150ps Audi A3. Also what about MPGs? Audi S3 is also on my short list as it will cost the same on pcp but I expect with much higher costs? Any GTI owners who’ve come from an S3 for comparison?
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: fredgroves on 06 January 2019, 21:42
I'd expect 15-17k from the OEM BS's on the front and possibly as much as 65k on the rear with OEM BS's - they are as hard as f***.

That's assuming you are driving reasonably quick but not lighting up and sliding around.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: 2007GTI on 06 January 2019, 21:49
If you are worried about running costs, maybe a GTI isn't for you! Most folk who buy a GTI don't count the pennies!

Also all depends on your driving style.

Thinking of taking the plunge - what can I expect for typical running costs with regards to tyres? Does it churn through a pair of fronts in 10k? I’m used to getting 20k+ out of mine, albeit in my 150ps Audi A3. Also what about MPGs? Audi S3 is also on my short list as it will cost the same on pcp but I expect with much higher costs? Any GTI owners who’ve come from an S3 for comparison?
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 06 January 2019, 21:50
I was bit excitable with my first Mk7.5 GTI and needed new fronts around 10k  :grin: But a lot of my driving was done round town.

MPG wise you are looking at anything from 20 to 45. If I’m stuck round town a lot mine does 25 average over a full tank but easy to get 30-35 if you’re out of town and 40+ if you’re driving steady on the right type of roads.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: king monkey on 06 January 2019, 21:51
I’ve had many Gti’s and currently drive an S3. Can’t say I’ve noticed massive differences in running costs. I’d normally only get around 30 miles more out of the gti tank than the S3. Insurance is supposed to be higher but again I’ve not really noticed. My last gti was stolen though so my premium went up anyway.

There’s a fella on Audi Sport forum asking the same questions. Both great cars but totally different.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 06 January 2019, 21:57
That’s probably me - same username lol
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: king monkey on 06 January 2019, 22:04
Ah! Your cover is blown!

I bought an S3 last time because it was cheaper on a pcp than a gti which I know you’ve kind of covered on the other forum. But I have little to no equity in the car due to the high gfv. I think that the used car market is difficult at the moment though so we’re all in trouble in that respect.

I’m trying to decide between an R and gti now so in a similar situation to you. I’ve driven both and will go back and try again before committing myself. You’ve got to wonder if the R is really worth the extra and that depends on so many personal factors.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 06 January 2019, 22:08
Considered the R myself but on lease rather than pcp but pretty soon ruled it out as it just looks too dull for my liking, particularly the interior. The GTI is the much nicer of the two. But AWD... and powewwwer!!!! :-)
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 06 January 2019, 22:09
Well I’m not worried about the costs I’m more interested how the compare to the S3 as ultimately that’s the decider on which car I buy.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 06 January 2019, 22:13
Ah! Your cover is blown!

I bought an S3 last time because it was cheaper on a pcp than a gti which I know you’ve kind of covered on the other forum. But I have little to no equity in the car due to the high gfv. I think that the used car market is difficult at the moment though so we’re all in trouble in that respect.

I’m trying to decide between an R and gti now so in a similar situation to you. I’ve driven both and will go back and try again before committing myself. You’ve got to wonder if the R is really worth the extra and that depends on so many personal factors.

Did you feel the Golf was a bit of a step down in quality, eg interior? That’s my main sticking point really. #BadgeSnob
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: king monkey on 06 January 2019, 22:29
If anything I actually prefer the gti interior. Not a fan of leather for a start even the Audi leather which is actually really nice. I find the whole mmi a bit old fashioned in the Audi too. The gti seats are also far more supportive. Also not sure the plastics are better. There’s a really awful bit in the S3 that my knee generally rests against which really annoys me. I hear the FL S3 interior quality has suffered from penny pinching too. Only what I’ve read on Audi sport. Didn’t notice it myself on a test drive.

Then again all my mates say the S3 interior is special. It’s so subjective. I looked at an i30N which I though was ok inside until I jumped straight into an R afterwards.  :grin:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Exonian on 07 January 2019, 11:09
Thinking of taking the plunge - what can I expect for typical running costs with regards to tyres? Does it churn through a pair of fronts in 10k? I’m used to getting 20k+ out of mine, albeit in my 150ps Audi A3. Also what about MPGs? Audi S3 is also on my short list as it will cost the same on pcp but I expect with much higher costs? Any GTI owners who’ve come from an S3 for comparison?

None of the 4 cylinder VW group engines vary much in running costs.
The low powered ones tend to have to be driven harder to keep up with traffic so only really gain much MPG significance on long steady slowish runs without too many steep hills.
The GTI is not much worse on fuel than a 1.4 in many respects. The R and S3 are worse on fuel than a GTI  but not by huge amounts over low to average mileage use. The latter two do require premium high RON fuel to be at their best too.

The factory Bridgstones last forever on GTI’s, which is beautifully ironic as most owners hate them.

Servicing costs are much of a muchness with all the 4 cyl cars. Add in a Haldex service for the S3.

If it were me, I’m not a huge fan of the S3 but if the PCP costs were the same I’d have a very hard choice myself. I think I’d plump for the S3 so long as it didn’t have the chrome window surrounds. 
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 07 January 2019, 11:19
Having literally just been through the same exercise myself I went for a new GTI 245, over a new RS3, S3, R and A43.

PCP costs aren't the same, because the higher GFV on the more expensive cars means there is more interest payable over the term. You are always better off with a lower GFV if you plan to keep art over the whole term. Also don't forget a a decent (and equivalent specced) Golf sits under the £40k luxury tax threshold meaning road tax for the first 5 years is only £140 a year rather than £450 on the other cars.

The GTI manages to give 99% of the other cars, for a smaller price. The red in the GTI cabin, IMO, makes it feel a lot more special than the R. Plus there's also the thievability factor, 4WD hot hatches are magnets for theft right now, so the FWD Golf reduces that risk (although doesn't eliminate it due to them still going walks, just less so).

Discount on the Golf currently sits at a healthy 15%, so you can throw some options at it and still sit comfortably under the £40k barrier and just a smidgen above £30k.

c£30k for a GTI with a good spec, good MPG and a nice feeling cabin - no brainer to me.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 07 January 2019, 11:21
The S3 I spec’d came to around £37k so was also under the 40k threshold. Also, the keyless entry as standard is a security risk on the Golf. Suffice to say that’s a £500 option on the Audi. Other than that, I do tend to agree on all other points. The only reason going S3 for me, would be for the badge.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 07 January 2019, 12:23
The S3 I spec’d came to around £37k
So pretty much just the paint then?!?  :grin:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 07 January 2019, 12:24
Agreed.

Re the 19” Brescias - does it need DCC to make the ride bearable or is it ok without? The model I took on a test drive had DCC so hard to tell.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 07 January 2019, 12:33
Re the 19” Brescias - does it need DCC to make the ride bearable or is it ok without? The model I took on a test drive had DCC so hard to tell.
In my opinion, yes it is needed, but others will have a different view depending on personal circumstances. Whilst I suspect most would spec DCC for it's sporty ability, I specced it for the "comfort" setting I can switch the dampers into. Amongst the a/b-road blasting, I mainly do two types of trips, short(ish) trips around London's pot-hole and speed bump laden roads, plus I also do 2x 400 mile round trip motorway journeys each month. Even switching between "normal" to "comfort" is drastically noticeable.

I test drove a non DCC car on Brescias and after 25mins my back ached badly, specifically in the area where the manual lumbar support was, so I put it down to a combination of the 19's, the manual lumbar, and my body shape. This meant the leccy seats option (which gives the 4way lumbar support) and DCC were a must for me.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: SRGTD on 07 January 2019, 15:11
Discount on the Golf currently sits at a healthy 15%, so you can throw some options at it and still sit comfortably under the £40k barrier and just a smidgen above £30k.

Remember that the higher road tax threshold uses the list price of the car including options before any broker or dealer-negotiated discounts. So if you go crazy with the options, it’s possible to get to a list price that’s in excess of £40k, even though you may actually pay significantly less.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 07 January 2019, 15:17
Discount on the Golf currently sits at a healthy 15%, so you can throw some options at it and still sit comfortably under the £40k barrier and just a smidgen above £30k.

Remember that the higher road tax threshold uses the list price of the car including options before any broker or dealer-negotiated discounts. So if you go crazy with the options, it’s possible to get to a list price that’s in excess of £40k, even though you may actually pay significantly less.
True true, but I was talking about the GTI, not the R. On a GTI you'd have to go mega-silly with options to get it over £40k (the £40k limit excludes OTR costs BTW). I meant you could have some nice options on a GTI and still be under the £40k, then the icing on the cake would be the 15% discount taking it to £30-32k.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 07 January 2019, 17:04
Also, the keyless entry as standard is a security risk on the Golf.
I use a Disklok and a faraday pouch, but I've just discovered you can turn Keyless off on the Golf.

Lock the car with the fob, then within 5 seconds press the keyless button/sensor on the door handle. That switches off the keyless-entry system until the next time you unlock the car with the fob. Perfect for when leaving the car overnight or if in a particularly vulnerable place.

:cool:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 07 January 2019, 17:36
Interesting, thanks. Any more views on Brescias minus DCC?
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: king monkey on 07 January 2019, 19:05
I’ve had a few Gti’s on 19s and haven’t felt the need for DCC. The gti does ride a lot better than the S3 though after having both cars.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 07 January 2019, 19:07
That’ll do me. Another £800 saved right there. 👍 cheers.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Zan on 07 January 2019, 20:30
Although I got mine 2nd hand (mine has santiago 19's) I'm glad it's got the DCC with the pothole ridden and generally naff daily drive I do. My previous S1 only had the 17's and didn't have DCC and it was like skippy the kangaroo at times  :whistle:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Zan on 07 January 2019, 20:37
Also, the keyless entry as standard is a security risk on the Golf.
I use a Disklok and a faraday pouch, but I've just discovered you can turn Keyless off on the Golf.

Lock the car with the fob, then within 5 seconds press the keyless button/sensor on the door handle. That switches off the keyless-entry system until the next time you unlock the car with the fob. Perfect for when leaving the car overnight or if in a particularly vulnerable place.

:cool:
I asked the dealer when I was picking mine up "can the keyless entry be deactivated?...he replied no sir and why would you want to" he seemed rather lost to the security implications so I looked in the manual and voila as you have explained above it can be done on a one time basis, it's been my usual routine since I've had the car ;)
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 07 January 2019, 20:43
Given a salesman’s job expectancy is 2.5 years, I’m not surprised. They don’t seem to hang around very long so probably move on just as they become clued up on the cars they are selling.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Guzzle on 07 January 2019, 20:45
I think if it were me i'd be wanting the keyless entry coded out, for peace of mind.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Zan on 07 January 2019, 21:04
I've never been a fan of keyless entry and have never specced it when buying new, but as this was 9months old when I bought it compromises on spec are a given.
Having it coded out would be ideal but the one time deactivation only takes a smidgen longer when locking the car so it will do for now.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: hobbes22 on 07 January 2019, 21:07
Interesting, thanks. Any more views on Brescias minus DCC?

I have Brescias without dcc. The ride is just fine, I have taken a few people in my car and most commented on how well the car rode.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 07 January 2019, 21:13
Thanks. I’m slightly hesitant as I really like my current 1.4 150ps Audi A3 S-Line. Am I going to regret a GTI? I know it has the performance, but feeling a little sad to potentially say goodbye to the four rings. GTI has MUCH more kit though. 🤪
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Zan on 07 January 2019, 21:21
I went from the S1 with average kit to the GTI performance with decent kit and haven't regretted it tbh, I do miss the awd on damp and wet roads if I'm honest but losing the four rings wasn't an issue for me.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: king monkey on 07 January 2019, 21:52
Have you taken the S3 and gti on a test drive?
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 07 January 2019, 22:02
GTI - yes. S3 no. But I did have an RS3 on an extended 2 hour drive a couple of years back. Ruled out the S3 now anyway. I think it’s just going to cost too much to run, insure, tyres etc. I’m settled on the GTI.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: king monkey on 07 January 2019, 22:06
Either way you get a great car. It’s a win win situation there! Hope you get a good deal.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 07 January 2019, 22:08
Either way you get a great car. It’s a win win situation there! Hope you get a good deal.

👍
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Aparat on 08 January 2019, 03:46
Thanks. I’m slightly hesitant as I really like my current 1.4 150ps Audi A3 S-Line. Am I going to regret a GTI? I know it has the performance, but feeling a little sad to potentially say goodbye to the four rings. GTI has MUCH more kit though. 🤪

I have been in exactly same position.
I had Audi A3 1.4 150bhp for almost 3 years.
As soon as I test drove GTI I knew it must be my next car. Much more equipment for less, good performance, and it look better inside in my opinion. Even when I was looking to get newer a3 it was same price as for GTI :laugh:
Didn't go pcp route. Bought 17 months old mk7.5 with cash and hoping to keep it for at least 5 years. :wink:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 08 January 2019, 06:15
Thanks. I’m slightly hesitant as I really like my current 1.4 150ps Audi A3 S-Line. Am I going to regret a GTI? I know it has the performance, but feeling a little sad to potentially say goodbye to the four rings. GTI has MUCH more kit though. 🤪

I have been in exactly same position.
I had Audi A3 1.4 150bhp for almost 3 years.
As soon as I test drove GTI I knew it must be my next car. Much more equipment for less, good performance, and it look better inside in my opinion. Even when I was looking to get newer a3 it was same price as for GTI :laugh:
Didn't go pcp route. Bought 17 months old mk7.5 with cash and hoping to keep it for at least 5 years. :wink:

🤪👍
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 08 January 2019, 10:21
The only reason going S3 for me, would be for the badge.

Sounds like a great reason to spend £37k!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 08 January 2019, 11:18
The only reason going S3 for me, would be for the badge.

Sounds like a great reason to spend £37k!  :rolleyes:
Madness.  :shocked:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 08 January 2019, 11:20
‘‘Tis done. Deposit paid on the GTI. 👍
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 08 January 2019, 11:21
‘‘Tis done. Deposit paid on the GTI. 👍
Good work, you won't regret it!

Spec? Hope you got a good discount! :cool:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Exonian on 08 January 2019, 11:27
Funnily enough after not seeing an S3 for ages I saw two yesterday within minutes on the bypass near IKEA. A grubby red one and a lovely metallic blue one that must have been DSG as it made a great noise accelerating.

I’ve come to the conclusion as to why I’ve had 4 mk7’s and no S3.
The Audi is just another corporate hatch hiding behind its “prestige” grille badge. The S3 looks like a mid range Diesel still. I guess that’s what S3 buyers like, that total Q car look with “that” badge.
I’m definitely more of a GTI person. I wouldn’t mind being an RS3 person but I’m too poor.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 08 January 2019, 11:28
I got a cracking discount. Pushed them hard. It’s more than others have paid last year but part of that is down to the £/€ conversion tanking 20% over the past two years.

GTI PP DSG, Isaac Blue, 19” Brescias, Dynaudio upgrade. No other options but it’s fully loaded as standard, even more so on the MY19.

List price came in at just over £34k I believe, but I’ve got then down to just over £28k, so £6k off. Did it on a PCP so 3k down plus 47 x £329. A little more than I’d hoped to pay per month but all things considered (especially with recent rises) I think I’ve got a good deal.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 08 January 2019, 17:19
Good colour (even if I am bias!) and deal... also still time to change your mind about the DCC that appears to be missing...  :wink:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 08 January 2019, 17:21
Good colour (even if I am bias!) and deal... also still time to change your mind about the DCC that appears to be missing...  :wink:

I took a chance. Can’t be any harder than the 11 plate TT I owned before the A3. That was on 19s and on older pre-MQB platform. 😬
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: king monkey on 08 January 2019, 18:25
That’s a great deal you got there. I thought I’d done well to get £5.7k off. Think I’ll try harder for another £300.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 08 January 2019, 18:27
That’s a great deal you got there. I thought I’d done well to get £5.7k off. Think I’ll try harder for another £300.

Or get them to throw in the first two services for free.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: king monkey on 08 January 2019, 18:31
That’s a great deal you got there. I thought I’d done well to get £5.7k off. Think I’ll try harder for another £300.

Or get them to throw in the first two services for free.

And some gloss black mirror caps? I’m going to ask!  :grin:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 08 January 2019, 19:09
That’s a great deal you got there. I thought I’d done well to get £5.7k off. Think I’ll try harder for another £300.

Or get them to throw in the first two services for free.

And some gloss black mirror caps? I’m going to ask!  :grin:

You’ll get more joy with things like that than trying to change the price at this stage. Although once you’ve signed you’ll be hard pressed to get them to add much into the bargain. Do I need to tick DCC? Having second thoughts... got to live with it for four years! But... my poor bank balance! Already pushed the mrs to her tolerance threshold too. On dangerous ground now.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: king monkey on 08 January 2019, 19:18
That’s a great deal you got there. I thought I’d done well to get £5.7k off. Think I’ll try harder for another £300.

Or get them to throw in the first two services for free.

And some gloss black mirror caps? I’m going to ask!  :grin:

You’ll get more joy with things like that than trying to change the price at this stage. Although once you’ve signed you’ll be hard pressed to get them to add much into the bargain. Do I need to tick DCC? Having second thoughts... got to live with it for four years! But... my poor bank balance! Already pushed the mrs to her tolerance threshold too. On dangerous ground now.

I’ve not signed anything yet!

I always live on dangerous ground as far as cars go. I like to slowly filter the news in.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 08 January 2019, 19:23
That’s a great deal you got there. I thought I’d done well to get £5.7k off. Think I’ll try harder for another £300.

Or get them to throw in the first two services for free.

And some gloss black mirror caps? I’m going to ask!  :grin:

You’ll get more joy with things like that than trying to change the price at this stage. Although once you’ve signed you’ll be hard pressed to get them to add much into the bargain. Do I need to tick DCC? Having second thoughts... got to live with it for four years! But... my poor bank balance! Already pushed the mrs to her tolerance threshold too. On dangerous ground now.

I’ve not signed anything yet!

I always live on dangerous ground as far as cars go. I like to slowly filter the news in.

Indeed. Break the news you’re thinking of changing it at least 6-12 months in advance. Give them time to mellow. Me and my mrs never row, fortunately. Squabble yes, but not full on rows. I usually just end up making her laugh by asking if she has IBS again. Irritable b!tch Syndrome. 😂
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 09 January 2019, 09:02
Lots of Issac blues arriving/ordered. Sounds like you've got a great deal!

And you won't miss that boring A3 interior. GTI much nicer. The only A3 I'd consider is the RS3 and that's purely for the engine - best sounding car* I've driven! That would definitely be a genuine reason rather a badge!  :grin:

* Sub £50k
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 09 January 2019, 09:14
Procrastinating about not ticking DCC with the Brescias now. Contemplating changing the colour to solid white and using the paint money for DCC. Gah.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 09 January 2019, 09:22
Procrastinating about not ticking DCC with the Brescias now.
The only way you will know for sure is to go and test drive one on 19's without DCC and see how it feels on the types of routes you'll be driving. It'll come down to personal preference, as demonstrated in this thread by me saying DCC is a must, and another person saying it's fine without for them.

Finding a GTI to test drive with DCC will be nigh on impossible though, so I test drove a GTI and an R both on 19's without DCC to see how it felt. The R felt marginally harder, but both left me in no doubt that I needed (and wanted) DCC for the type of driving scenarios I do. The DCC IMO turns the car into a real swiss army knife, comfortable and very soft when needed, but also sharp as a razor, all at the press of a button. It also gives the car a bit more desirability come resale as it's a very rare and sought after option, so you'll see some of the money back.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 09 January 2019, 09:27
The demo car at the dealer had Brescias and DCC. It felt fine in Sport as far as I’m concerned - is that a good indicator?

That said, for £800 (which I’d add to the deposit rather than the monthlies) I might just grit my teeth and go for it. Put it this way, other than the money (which will soon be forgotten) I bet no one regrets buying DCC, but I bet a fair few regret NOT buying it. And it can’t be retro-fitted either.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: fredgroves on 09 January 2019, 09:32
I bet no one regrets buying DCC, but I bet a fair few regret NOT buying it.

I had DCC on my Mk7 and ditched it on the Mk7.5. Then again, I was never a "always in comfort mode" person - except in bumpy car parks and speed bump infested areas.

Regretted it not once TBH yet I was an advocate for DCC (and similar technology from other marques I had years before).

The Mk7.x runs just fine without it, its not exactly a GoKart.

Spent my £800 on? Probably Costa!
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 09 January 2019, 09:33
I bet no one regrets buying DCC, but I bet a fair few regret NOT buying it.

I had DCC on my Mk7 and ditched it on the Mk7.5. Then again, I was never a "always in comfort mode" person - except in bumpy car parks and speed bump infested areas.

Regretted it not once TBH yet I was an advocate for DCC (and similar technology from other marques I had years before).

The Mk7.x runs just fine without it, its not exactly a GoKart.

Spent my £800 on? Probably Costa!

Yeah but are you on standard 18s or the 19s?
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: fredgroves on 09 January 2019, 09:35
18's mate. With the state of the roads these days I'd avoid 19's just because they will buckle - DCC or no DCC.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: fredgroves on 09 January 2019, 09:36
I should add that I test drove the Mk7 on 19's before I bought one and it had a very comfortable ride compared to my previous Insignia! (which I think had 20's on it!)
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 09 January 2019, 09:38
The demo car at the dealer had Brescias and DCC. It felt fine in Sport as far as I’m concerned - is that a good indicator?

That said, for £800 (which I’d add to the deposit rather than the monthlies) I might just grit my teeth and go for it. Put it this way, other than the money (which will soon be forgotten) I bet no one regrets buying DCC, but I bet a fair few regret NOT buying it. And it can’t be retro-fitted either.
Sport mode on a non-DCC car doesn't impact the damper rate, just the throttle response and steering. The suspension is fixed at a single damping rate for all modes if DCC isn't fitted, so if it felt fine to you, then that's a good sign that you would be able to live without DCC.

Having said that, your second point is very valid. DCC allows the driver to adjust the damper flow valve which in turn changes the damping properties, so you get lots of suspension options to set the car up how you want depending on your driving conditions. If you do lots of miles and/or want/need comfort, the DCC really is a great option. The difference between Comfort and Sport modes on mine is remarkable, especially on the terrible London roads, so I can just sit back and relax without having to worry about being juddered around by lumps, bumps, potholes etc. :)
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 09 January 2019, 09:40
To make your choice even harder, here's a couple of threads on VWROC about the R (and some GTI comments) with 19's and DCC

https://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/13584-dcc-worth-the-money/
https://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/27021-dcc-on-75r/

As per my previous post though, after testing driving both the R does ride ever so slightly harder than the GTI.

:whistle: :smiley:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 09 January 2019, 09:43
18's mate. With the state of the roads these days I'd avoid 19's just because they will buckle - DCC or no DCC.

But 18 Parkers... 🤮🤮🤮
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Watts on 09 January 2019, 09:46
Mine is on 19s without DCC and I think the ride is really good. My previous car, a 2003 Audi A4 on 17s wasn't as good. I haven't driven around Norwich but I have around west Norfolk and find the roads excellent, ride no problem at all. Having said that 1. you're spending £30k+ so presumably want to be ecstatic not just happy so surely another £800 isn't going to kill you but 2. don't change the colour, that's what you'll see everytime you look at your car and will make you happy, regardless of any fancy suspension! :whistle: :rolleyes: :laugh:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: fredgroves on 09 January 2019, 09:51
18's mate. With the state of the roads these days I'd avoid 19's just because they will buckle - DCC or no DCC.

But 18 Parkers... 🤮🤮🤮

There is that of course and I am in agreement on that!

I'm the dirty boy running a GTD, so lovely Cadiz for me :D

Seriously, I'd avoid 19's - isn't there another 18 option for GTI's? My next Golf will be a GTI...
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 09 January 2019, 09:51
Mine is on 19s without DCC and I think the ride is really good. My previous car, a 2003 Audi A4 on 17s wasn't as good. I haven't driven around Norwich but I have around west Norfolk and find the roads excellent, ride no problem at all. Having said that 1. you're spending £30k+ so presumably want to be ecstatic not just happy so surely another £800 isn't going to kill you but 2. don't change the colour, that's what you'll see everytime you look at your car and will make you happy, regardless of any fancy suspension! :whistle: :rolleyes: :laugh:

Yeah the roads around here are not too bad to be honest. Despite the rest of the country assuming we have dirt tracks and only recently acquired electricity 😬
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 09 January 2019, 09:53
18's mate. With the state of the roads these days I'd avoid 19's just because they will buckle - DCC or no DCC.

But 18 Parkers... 🤮🤮🤮

There is that of course and I am in agreement on that!

I'm the dirty boy running a GTD, so lovely Cadiz for me :D

Seriously, I'd avoid 19's - isn't there another 18 option for GTI's? My next Golf will be a GTI...

Nope. It’s Parkers or a choice of 3 19s. I don’t know why they changed the standard 18s on the mk7, I actually quite liked those even though the style was similar.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Guzzle on 09 January 2019, 09:59
18's mate. With the state of the roads these days I'd avoid 19's just because they will buckle - DCC or no DCC.

But 18 Parkers... 🤮🤮🤮

There is that of course and I am in agreement on that!

I'm the dirty boy running a GTD, so lovely Cadiz for me :D

Seriously, I'd avoid 19's - isn't there another 18 option for GTI's? My next Golf will be a GTI...

Nope. It’s Parkers or a choice of 3 19s. I don’t know why they changed the standard 18s on the mk7, I actually quite liked those even though the style was similar.

18 inch Seville's should be available. Same as the GTD wheels but in graphite with a red band around the edge instead of diamond cut.

Fred - are you running Cadiz from the R?
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 09 January 2019, 10:00
18's mate. With the state of the roads these days I'd avoid 19's just because they will buckle - DCC or no DCC.

But 18 Parkers... 🤮🤮🤮

There is that of course and I am in agreement on that!

I'm the dirty boy running a GTD, so lovely Cadiz for me :D

Seriously, I'd avoid 19's - isn't there another 18 option for GTI's? My next Golf will be a GTI...

Nope. It’s Parkers or a choice of 3 19s. I don’t know why they changed the standard 18s on the mk7, I actually quite liked those even though the style was similar.

18 inch Seville's should be available. Same as the GTD wheels but in graphite with a red band around the edge instead of diamond cut.

Fred - are you running Cadiz from the R?

Ah yes. Don’t like those. Look too chavvy for my tastes.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Arnold_Lane on 09 January 2019, 10:11
Having said that, your second point is very valid. DCC allows the driver to adjust the damper flow valve which in turn changes the damping properties, so you get lots of suspension options to set the car up how you want depending on your driving conditions. If you do lots of miles and/or want/need comfort, the DCC really is a great option. The difference between Comfort and Sport modes on mine is remarkable, especially on the terrible London roads, so I can just sit back and relax without having to worry about being juddered around by lumps, bumps, potholes etc. :)

This^^^. I would have gone without some of my other options just to have DCC if money had been really tight.
Confess that mine remains in comfort, but on the odd occasions I change to normal or sport out of curiosity, I switch back pretty quickly unless the road surface is snooker table smooth. It just feels too uncomfortable for me, though in truth it's probably much better than things like XR3's, etc. that I drove in the 80's.
 
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: fredgroves on 09 January 2019, 10:31
Fred - are you running Cadiz from the R?

You know I thought Seville and typed Cadiz... no, Seville is what I have.

And yes, you can get Seville with the red band for the GTI.... they aren't expensive and I'd chose those for my GTI if I ordered - apart from anything else, they aren't bloody diamond cut!
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: mcmaddy on 09 January 2019, 11:17
Save your money buying 19s and get the standard Parkers. Then buy yourself some lightweight 18s which are a much better option than 19s and tyres are cheaper too.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 09 January 2019, 11:19
Save your money buying 19s and get the standard Parkers. Then buy yourself some lightweight 18s which are a much better option than 19s and tyres are cheaper too.

Nein! I’d rather shatter my spine than have to look at those abomination of a wheel!
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: SRGTD on 09 January 2019, 11:49
Save your money buying 19s and get the standard Parkers. Then buy yourself some lightweight 18s which are a much better option than 19s and tyres are cheaper too.

That’s exactly what I’d do; and the replacements wouldn’t be diamond cut either.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: mcmaddy on 09 January 2019, 13:04
Save your money buying 19s and get the standard Parkers. Then buy yourself some lightweight 18s which are a much better option than 19s and tyres are cheaper too.

Nein! I’d rather shatter my spine than have to look at those abomination of a wheel!
If you want style over functionality then knock yourself out  :whistle: :whistle:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 09 January 2019, 13:08
Save your money buying 19s and get the standard Parkers. Then buy yourself some lightweight 18s which are a much better option than 19s and tyres are cheaper too.

Nein! I’d rather shatter my spine than have to look at those abomination of a wheel!
If you want style over functionality then knock yourself out  :whistle: :whistle:

Black wheels on a car just remind me of 20 year old pimped up Golf’s that you see in the rough areas of town, complete with lowered suspension. I’d rather have the Brescias. I’d probably even take Parkers over Sevilla. I think I’m going to stick with the 19s and possibly go with DCC.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 09 January 2019, 13:28
18's mate. With the state of the roads these days I'd avoid 19's just because they will buckle - DCC or no DCC.

But 18 Parkers... 🤮🤮🤮

There is that of course and I am in agreement on that!

I'm the dirty boy running a GTD, so lovely Cadiz for me :D

Seriously, I'd avoid 19's - isn't there another 18 option for GTI's? My next Golf will be a GTI...

Nope. It’s Parkers or a choice of 3 19s. I don’t know why they changed the standard 18s on the mk7, I actually quite liked those even though the style was similar.

No, 18" Parkers are std and then there are the hideous 18" Sevilles (look great on the GTD but sh*te in graphite with red stripe) or 19s are Brescia or Santiago.

Parkers are just an evolution of the Austin and definitely the most GTI type wheel they offer.

(https://i.postimg.cc/C5W599Mm/04-F5-E0-CC-E7-A2-4-F48-91-E7-62-E9080-FAF53.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q6xp3b33)

 :smiley:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Yusee on 09 January 2019, 14:23
Surprises me that pakers so disliked. Look pretty good to me. Easy to clean too
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 09 January 2019, 14:24
They look ok close up when you can see the black parts but from a distance of over 3-4 meters they just look like the sort of thing you’d expect to see on the Golf S. the Austin’s looked better imo.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Exonian on 09 January 2019, 14:39
I really like the look of the Brescias and they’re not bad value as an option.
There’s not *that* much difference in ride quality between 18’s and 19’s on standard suspension. I’ve run a PP GTI, R and Clubsport on 18’s then 19’s and the difference isn’t huge unless you have back issues or are the type of person that should really be driving an SUV not a sports hatch. I’m quite fussy about ride quality and have had no complaints really. I find both the PP and Clubsport can be a bit wallowy on initial turn in on certain bends but the trade off is a decent ride as hottish hatches go. The R seemed to turn in a bit better but was less sharp once in the corner and coming out of it.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 09 January 2019, 14:50
They look ok close up when you can see the black parts but from a distance of over 3-4 meters they just look like the sort of thing you’d expect to see on the Golf S. the Austin’s looked better imo.

Can't say I've ever thought that to be honest.  :huh:

I'm not fussed about of the upgraded wheels, other than Prets which you can't option on the GTI.

Get the Parkers, then get some of these with the money saved, like a Pret but lighter and better:

https://www.rimstyle.com/alloywheels/wheel/borbet_ff1_forged_gmpo

 :cool:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Exonian on 09 January 2019, 15:01
When I was looking at FF1’s for my R they were significantly cheaper from tyreleader.
8x18 ET45 front, 8x18 ET35 rear and they’ll look spot on  :cool:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 10 January 2019, 09:18
Anyone know how much they weigh? They look very similar to the Belvedere alloys.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 10 January 2019, 09:49
Anyone know how much they weigh? They look very similar to the Belvedere alloys.

19s are forged and mega expensive - 8.6kgs
18s are flow formed and weigh - 8.9kgs each

I think they are very 'Pret' like but nicer.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 10 January 2019, 16:56
Ok so now I have a real dilemma on.  Ordered Isaac and 19" Brescias, with no DCC.  I'm maxed out on what I want to spend, so to get the DCC I will need to drop the Isaac paint and go with solid white.  And I can't decide.  Incidentally, I was going for white originally until I saw Isaac Blue.  Although rather annoyingly, a woman at work has rocked up in an Isaac Blue with Brescias recently so it won't be the only one on the office car park  :angry:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: kmpowell on 10 January 2019, 17:22
Ok so now I have a real dilemma on.  Ordered Isaac and 19" Brescias, with no DCC.  I'm maxed out on what I want to spend, so to get the DCC I will need to drop the Isaac paint and go with solid white.  And I can't decide.  Incidentally, I was going for white originally until I saw Isaac Blue.  Although rather annoyingly, a woman at work has rocked up in an Isaac Blue with Brescias recently so it won't be the only one on the office car park  :angry:
Only you will know - my advice is to go back and drive the DCC equipped car along some roads you know you will be using. Switch between comfort, normal and sport, and then see how it feels. As a benchmark the normal suspension sits somewhere in-between Normal and Sport on a DCC equipped car. Or failing that simply ask to drive a non-DCC car and see how it feels. You summed it up yourself when you said that you will be driving it for 4yrs, so whilst £850 is a lot off money for an option you may not need, at the same time it's not a lot of money if you were to not spec it and then regret it in the long term.  :smiley:

Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: fredgroves on 10 January 2019, 17:33
Don't order the 19's and ditch the DCC.... job done  :smiley:

Think of the money you will save on tyres over 4 years if you want to feel smug :D
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 10 January 2019, 17:35
Lol... I don't like the parkers and can't be arsed selling them after buying the car.  Might just add DCC and be done with it.  And then incur the wrath of the chancellor of the household...  :whistle:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: hobbes22 on 10 January 2019, 17:53
Ok so now I have a real dilemma on.  Ordered Isaac and 19" Brescias, with no DCC.  I'm maxed out on what I want to spend, so to get the DCC I will need to drop the Isaac paint and go with solid white.  And I can't decide.  Incidentally, I was going for white originally until I saw Isaac Blue.  Although rather annoyingly, a woman at work has rocked up in an Isaac Blue with Brescias recently so it won't be the only one on the office car park  :angry:

I have Brescias without DCC, and the ride quality is absolutely fine. VW have done a great job with the ride on standard dampers.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 10 January 2019, 18:09
Ok so now I have a real dilemma on.  Ordered Isaac and 19" Brescias, with no DCC.  I'm maxed out on what I want to spend, so to get the DCC I will need to drop the Isaac paint and go with solid white.  And I can't decide.  Incidentally, I was going for white originally until I saw Isaac Blue.  Although rather annoyingly, a woman at work has rocked up in an Isaac Blue with Brescias recently so it won't be the only one on the office car park  :angry:

I have Brescias without DCC, and the ride quality is absolutely fine. VW have done a great job with the ride on standard dampers.

Cool... I had a TT on 19 inch rims a few years back which was fine, so guess this will be an improvement.  The TT was from the Golf mk 5 era in terms of chassis etc.  Think I need to chill and stop worrying about it.  The more you think about something, the more problems you find.  First world problems at that!
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Watts on 10 January 2019, 18:38
What exactly is your worry about not having DCC? Sorry if you have previously mentioned it. It isn't essential although I'm sure it's nice to have, the fact that most people don't have it should be an answer in itself?
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Margy on 10 January 2019, 20:08
DCC is £850, over 4 years it works out at just over 58p per day! I have DCC & 19s, but only because they were already specced on my car! In comfort, even my Mother enjoys the ride! I have not driven a non DCC car though, so I have no advice to give. Whichever way you go, you'll have a very fine car.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: fredgroves on 10 January 2019, 21:44
Vw want you to imagine the need...
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 10 January 2019, 21:54
What exactly is your worry about not having DCC? Sorry if you have previously mentioned it. It isn't essential although I'm sure it's nice to have, the fact that most people don't have it should be an answer in itself?

Most people appear to have the 18s, which are softer over the bumps. Those who do have 19s also seem to have DCC, so I was just concerned I’d inadvertently ruined the ride on a car I’ve aspired to own for over 15 years and I’m now finally getting to buy one. Decided to stick to Brescias and not bother with DCC.

Plus I over-analyse everything and procrastinate far too much. 😭
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 10 January 2019, 23:49
The cars I test drove didn't have DCC and were on 19s and it felt fine, however, mine is on 18s and has DCC and in comfort it's fantastic. If I feel like giving it some welly on a country road switch it to sport and it feels so much more planted. It's like having two cars in one. For £860 it's an absolute bargain and a complete no brainer IMO, especially if you consider that an aftermarket version from Bilstein and KW are > £2,000

Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: ChrisG84 on 11 January 2019, 10:38
Definitely agree with the post above. Although I'm very new to GTI ownership, I'm glad I specced DCC, even with 18 inch wheels. 'Two cars in one' is spot on.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 11 January 2019, 10:40
Ok I might swap the Brescias (£600) for DCC (£850) and if I don’t like the Parkers in the flesh (only seen them online to be fair) I’ll just buy a set of 18 inch Cadiz alloys from the Golf R so I keep OEM.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 11 January 2019, 10:42
Ok I might swap the Brescias (£600) for DCC (£850) and if I don’t like the Parkers in the flesh (only seen them online to be fair) I’ll just buy a set of 18 inch Cadiz alloys from the Golf R so I keep OEM.

You can get black or silver 18" genuine Prets for around £1200 which are a lot nicer than Cadiz.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: ChrisG84 on 11 January 2019, 10:59
Re the Parker wheels, I didn't like them much originally but they have really grown on me. And of the 'non car' people who've seen my car, they always give the wheels a thumbs up. All personal taste though  :smiley:
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 11 January 2019, 11:06
Re the Parker wheels, I didn't like them much originally but they have really grown on me. And of the 'non car' people who've seen my car, they always give the wheels a thumbs up. All personal taste though  :smiley:

Same here, always attract positive comments and definitely the most recognisable GTI wheel that VW offer.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 11 January 2019, 11:12
Push the boat out and get both I say.
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 11 January 2019, 11:14
Push the boat out and get both I say.

Both what? Parkers and DCC or Brescias and DCC? Lol
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Guzzle on 11 January 2019, 13:42
Mine's a lowly GTD. But if I were to go shopping for a GTi, i'd be speccing the Parkers, no question.

Agree with Jim, they are the most recognisable as a GTi wheel. Plus you get a better ride, cheaper tyres and less chance of kerbing them.

Not that I dislike the others, I just don't like them enough to spend £1,400 on 19 inch wheels and DCC when the Parkers look fine (to my eyes anyway). 
Title: Re: Running costs
Post by: Mutley75 on 11 January 2019, 13:51
Jim - the wheel on your sig looks quite nice actually.  I think the issue I have with them is that from a distance you can't see the black part of the blade.  They just remind me of these... https://goo.gl/images/c98jyz  :laugh: