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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Daz Auto on 03 January 2018, 18:14
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Following on from the discussion on Golf replacement and talk about SUVs, I though this was interesting.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-t-roc-r-306bhp-suv-be-most-agile-class (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-t-roc-r-306bhp-suv-be-most-agile-class)
'VW chairman Herbert Diess revealed earlier this year that the fastest T-Roc would bypass the GTI name because "GTI is for us the hot hatch; a sporty car, classless and accessible for many. It should be this car - a hot hatch". For an SUV, Diess said "we have another sub-brand, R".'
"... potentially, a warm GTD set-up. However, the future of diesel engines in smaller cars remains up for debate..."
" I think the standard T-Roc with 4Motion [four-wheel drive] and the DCC chassis with 19in wheels is the most agile SUV in that class," he said. "If there will be a T-Roc R, it will definitely be even more fun."
Fast, practical and comfortable. If they fit a tow bar to this thing, I can have my cake and eat it. :cool:
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Are they not fitting the Tiguan with the rs3 Audi engine :undecided:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hot-volkswagen-tiguan-r-tests-audi-derived-five-cylinder-engine
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Are they not fitting the Tiguan with the rs3 Audi engine :undecided:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hot-volkswagen-tiguan-r-tests-audi-derived-five-cylinder-engine
They have already fitted it with the GTi engine.
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Isn't it only 180bhp in the Tiguan though?
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Hardly a Range Rover V8 though is it?
Which is what these things want to be.
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Isn't it only 180bhp in the Tiguan though?
Not in other countries, they have the same engine in the GTi
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Isn't it only 180bhp in the Tiguan though?
I believe the Tiguan is using a new 2.0L engine EA888 3B. It uses Budak/Atkins/Miller cycle technology to be more efficient, but is less powerful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjM14JBPdBI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjM14JBPdBI)
I wonder why they didn't use this engine in the Troc. :undecided:
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Isn't it only 180bhp in the Tiguan though?
Not in other countries, they have the same engine in the GTi
Ahh, good spot. However I note from looking at the German website it is still slightly down on power at 220ps compared to the Golf. So I would surmise there is still perhaps room for a big engined petrol powered halo model to sit above it in the range. :undecided:
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Hardly a Range Rover V8 though is it?
Which is what these things want to be.
And about quarter of the price of the Range Rover so can't really compare them
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Isn't it only 180bhp in the Tiguan though?
Not in other countries, they have the same engine in the GTi
Ahh, good spot. However I note from looking at the German website it is still slightly down on power at 220ps compared to the Golf. So I would surmise there is still perhaps room for a big engined petrol powered halo model to sit above it in the range. :undecided:
I've gotten so used to driving diesels now that even driving a friend's GTi a few weeks back and with my driving style it seemed slower than my GTD and to be fair it was slower on the sprint we had.
I would love to see a Tiguan with a 250bhp petrol engine. I didn't consider the 240bhp bi turbo because of the 40k tax bracket.
My wife wanted us to look at an R but an estate, they had one in the showroom and she thought it was the dogs bollocks.
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Am I reading that right? Your GTD was quicker than a GTI on a sprint?! Think your mate in the GTI needs some driving lessons :grin:
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Am I reading that right? Your GTD was quicker than a GTI on a sprint?! Think your mate in the GTI needs some driving lessons :grin:
Considering his was a standard 14reg Got and mine had a tuning box bringing the power to roughly the same and I have more torque with much better tyres I'm not surprised at all.
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Am I reading that right? Your GTD was quicker than a GTI on a sprint?! Think your mate in the GTI needs some driving lessons :grin:
Considering his was a standard 14reg Got and mine had a tuning box bringing the power to roughly the same and I have more torque with much better tyres I'm not surprised at all.
Fair one, didn’t know yours was modified. The Mrs has a Gtd and I have said in the past hers modified would give mine a run for it’s money
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Am I reading that right? Your GTD was quicker than a GTI on a sprint?! Think your mate in the GTI needs some driving lessons :grin:
Considering his was a standard 14reg Got and mine had a tuning box bringing the power to roughly the same and I have more torque with much better tyres I'm not surprised at all.
Fair one, didn’t know yours was modified. The Mrs has a Gtd and I have said in the past hers modified would give mine a run for it’s money
Another thing that may have helped is that the first bit was up hill as you can see from the photo. Even in gear thought the GTi is slower.
(https://s5.postimg.org/fbyj7lubr/Screenshot_20180105-120838.png) (https://postimg.org/image/vzq1a3p37/)
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Just been given a T-Roc as a courtesy car whilst my local VW garage repair a scuff in my rear bumper (which they caused).
First impressions the 150ps engine is quite nippy however fuel economy isn’t great.
Interior is cheap. Cheaper than Polo cheap. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned cost saving, and this does appear to be the case.
Driving position is good however and the car feels as easy to drive as my Polo.
Not a great deal of leg room for passengers in the back but the boot space is generous.
Overall not great. The car I’m driving is just under £25k specced and that’s nowhere near the best model/features.
I’d buy my partner one if it was £15k.
Maybe I’ll post a proper review if I have the car for a significant length of time or go on any long journeys.
Rich
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This issue is actually very pertinent if it is the harbinger of what we might expect or fear for inside the Mk8 GTI.
I sat in a T Roc other day and have looked at Polo GTI interior on VW UK website.
Not good in pictures or in the flesh.
Does anyone know yet when the 7.5 will be discontinued or indeed when we will know what a Mk8 interior looks like?
PS I think I have seen a BMW interior with the same style of colour coded metal/plastic dash trim. Probably the latest fashion dreamed up by some child!
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This issue is actually very pertinent if it is the harbinger of what we might expect or fear for inside the Mk8 GTI.
I sat in a T Roc other day and have looked at Polo GTI interior on VW UK website.
Not good in pictures or in the flesh.
Does anyone know yet when the 7.5 will be discontinued or indeed when we will know what a Mk8 interior looks like?
PS I think I have seen a BMW interior with the same style of colour coded metal/plastic dash trim. Probably the latest fashion dreamed up by some child!
The Mk8 could be announced at the end of this year.
Surely they will want to temp people out of their current cars. If the interior is not as nice, then people might hang on, or look elsewhere.
I did wonder was the T-Roc plastic interior to give it a more utilitarian crossover feel. :undecided: Or maybe they have decided to keep the soft touch plastics for the Audi cars. To give them a more premium feel.
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I for one would be really unhappy if they decide to make a ‘T-Roc GTI’.
The interior is definitely full of cheap plastic. There’s also ‘fake’ exhaust inlets on the rear bumper.
I’ve had this courtesty car for a few days now and covered several hundred miles. I’ll try to give a full review if anyone is interested...
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Yes, do a writeup!
It would be interesting to hear a car enthusiasts view not some journo on a champagne and caviar test drive event...
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Yes, do a writeup!
It would be interesting to hear a car enthusiasts view not some journo on a champagne and caviar test drive event...
+1 :smiley:
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Me too. As long as no one complains that this is a GTI only forum.
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PS I think I have seen a BMW interior with the same style of colour coded metal/plastic dash trim. Probably the latest fashion dreamed up by some child!
They have been doing colour coded interior for years.
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PS I think I have seen a BMW interior with the same style of colour coded metal/plastic dash trim. Probably the latest fashion dreamed up by some child!
They have been doing colour coded interior for years.
Exactly, finding ways of doing things cheap and convincing buyers that it's a feature is not a new thing! Still, loads of cars have cheap tacky interiors like Fords and they sell really well.
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OK here goes.
The model I had was the T-Roc Design with a 115ps Petrol Engine, Manual. Price £23-24k I believe.
Disclaimer:
Only my person opinions which are based on around 8 years of driving and owning 4 VW’s in that time. I’m far from an expert, I’d call myself an enthusiast.
Initial thoughts:
Initially I liked it. The car felt comfortable and modern in looks. The colour was Turmeic Yellow which I wasn’t a fan of but I’m sure a nice black or grey would greatly improve it for my personal tastes. Driving it seemed very easy, much like the POLO I owned until recently.
Interior:
As I said earlier the interior is cheap. The steering wheel seemed faux-leather and there are fake buttons on the dashboard, centre console and above your head next to the rear view mirror. The trims on the doors were woeful, cost cutting personified.
The steering wheel and gear stick seemed like they were straight out of the POLO, there didn’t seem to be much imagination. The only plus was the touch screen which seemed very modern and responsive. I think it’s the same one that’s now standard across the range.
In my opinion the interior is what really lets the car down.
Space:
There’s a decent amount of space for driver and front seat passenger and head room is good. Not so much space for back seat passengers but enough not to complain about.
The boot space is impressive. I don’t know the exact capacity but it’s considerably more than say a Golf. Perhaps even double.
Additionally I always check the glove box - very little space.
Exterior:
I’m in two minds with this one. A lot of it is subjective but I feel like the front looks like a beefy Passat and the rear looks like a Beetle (not great). This being said I quite like the fact that it’s a bit different. Not so different though like the Citroen Cactus (horrid). The T Roc certainly turned heads but that was probably more to do with the Turmeric Yellow.
The standard Alloys are not bad in my opinion, I probably wouldn’t change these if I specced one from new.
Ride/comfort:
The driving position is maybe not quite as high as I would have liked, when compared with say a Tiguan or a Q3. The ride itself was very comfortable. I could easily see myself feeling comfortable after a 2/3 hour drive.
The engine was quiet and the chunky tyres/suspension soaked up most of the bumps in the road. There’s also a decent ground clearance although I wouldn’t like to test it out in a flood!
Engine/handling:
At first I thought the car was nippy and I assumed it had the 150ps Petrol engine. Actually it has the 115ps Petrol so that did impress me. Obviously this lacked torque but it seems like you’d get a decent pull from the 150ps if you were to upgrade.
It was very easy to drive, almost stupidly easy. I feel it was even easier to drive than my 2016 POLO. It handled nicely and also felt safe.
The fuel economy was not great, I was getting around 35mpg on a long distance motorway drive however I feel this would perhaps improve after the car has done a few thousand miles.
Conclusion:
You’d need to spend £25k plus to get a decent spec. I’m sure there would be CarWow or other companies offering deals however. I enjoyed driving the car however I think it was more the novelty of having an SUV- type car having never owned one. If you spend £25k on a VW you can get a Golf with decent features, and the build quality would be far superior. I feel that in a few years they may depreciate significantly and a second hand one might become a good deal. I’d like to drive a Q2 to compare.
Would I buy one? Yes, for the Mrs, for £15k! (No I wouldn’t buy one).
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Thorough, fair and good write-up there Richyb, thanks :smiley:
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fake buttons on the dashboard, centre console and above your head next to the rear view mirror.
Fake buttons?
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Sections of plastic cutouts that look like buttons but in reality don’t do anything.
Best (worst) example was the section next to the interior lights next to the drivers head. In a golf you stole away your sunglasses, in the T Roc it looks like you should be able to but actually there’s nothing there.
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Because your one didn't have all options?
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I suspect that’s the reason for some of them missing yes
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PS I think I have seen a BMW interior with the same style of colour coded metal/plastic dash trim. Probably the latest fashion dreamed up by some child!
They have been doing colour coded interior for years.
Fiat were doing it in the early 90’s too with the Fiat Coupe; 2.09 - 2.26 in the video at the link below;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPhd6I5eGs
fake buttons on the dashboard, centre console and above your head next to the rear view mirror.
Fake buttons?
It’s not unusual for car manufacturers to produce generic auxilliary switchgear panels that cover all models in a vehicle range, and fit ‘blanks’ in positions where a feature isn’t available in a particular model or hasn’t been specified by the original owner. VW do this on the mk7 Golf if you don’t have heated seats; the outer two buttons on the switchgear panel in the centre console will be ‘fake buttons’ or blanks, and not all the buttons either side of the gear selector are utilised in all models; some of these are blanks too.