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Title: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: munks on 15 October 2010, 20:16
hi, i've got kwp 2000+ which have used for remapping various diesels... haven't yet done a petrol BUT i was wondering if anyone have been successful with a year 2000 20v turbo? i have many files but dont fancy trying all 26 on my ecu. how many times are the vag ecu's limited for remapping? does anyone have successful WinRAR files for good performance? i will also need the flasher programme that recogises the 20v turbo ecu group..

any help would be appreciated!! :cool:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: houston on 15 October 2010, 22:26
i wouldnt risk it, there not the greatest tool and give you nothing for recovery.

its the map your paying for anyway, invest wisely, the cd you get with it are really terrible maps, cause a lot of troubles
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: Purely VAG on 15 October 2010, 23:34
Doesn't sound like your too confident what to do, it you really want to persue this id spend alot more time doing homework.

You have high risk of causing permanent engine damage, not exactly something to mess about with and learn on the job.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: Wayne on 15 October 2010, 23:35
Doesn't sound like your too confident what to do, it you really want to persue this id spend alot more time doing homework.

You have high risk of causing permanent engine damage, not exactly something to mess about with and learn on the job.

+1 sound advice  :smiley:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: jimbooboo on 15 October 2010, 23:41
Do what I do and just go for it..

I mean take a look at my headliner once its done. What a f**k up that is  :wink:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: Purely VAG on 16 October 2010, 09:18
Do what I do and just go for it..

I mean take a look at my headliner once its done. What a f**k up that is  :wink:

Theres a massive cost difference between and engine and a headliner dude ;)
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: asif on 16 October 2010, 12:14
Jeez mate you got some balls to try out DIY remapping I just changed my pants thinking of the probs you could cause to the engine and other stuff.

Are you planning on doing it as a sale item or just for your own personal car?
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 16 October 2010, 12:28
Doesn't sound like your too confident what to do, it you really want to persue this id spend alot more time doing homework.

You have high risk of causing permanent engine damage, not exactly something to mess about with and learn on the job.
exactly unless you have the knowledge then i'd leave it to the experts like nick @ r-tech people who know what they are doing  :wink:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: asif on 16 October 2010, 12:37
Also Chris/Ben @ Tuneside  :nerd: :afro:  :cool:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: munks on 16 October 2010, 19:28
I cant see much of a problem apart from fuc*ing the ecu up by mapping it to many times.
Also if ur not happy with the mapp after its done u can put the original back on!
for instance done my mates pug 306 hdi eventually got it right and was 150bhp but had to map it about 40 times to get it right!
i dont think id do it on anybodys car if i didnt kno them so mostly for my own use.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: Wayne on 16 October 2010, 19:30
I cant see much of a problem apart from fuc*ing the ecu up by mapping it to many times.
Also if ur not happy with the mapp after its done u can put the original back on!
for instance done my mates pug 306 hdi eventually got it right and was 150bhp but had to map it about 40 times to get it right!
i dont think id do it on anybodys car if i didnt kno them so mostly for my own use.


Can do much more damage than mess up the ecu.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: JC on 16 October 2010, 19:31
I cant see much of a problem apart from fuc*ing the ecu up by mapping it to many times.

and theres the VERY reason not to do it  :rolleyes:

Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: tech1889 on 16 October 2010, 19:31
if its for yourself and you dont care then whats the problem just do it.. people only get good at stuff by practice.. im sure nick @ rtech mapped his own cars many times before mapping members of the public.. and if people told him no then we wouldnt have rtech would we..

If you break stuff thats your choice chances are something will f**k up with DIY mapping but if your willing to take the risk the go for it !!
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: munks on 16 October 2010, 19:34
i will hopefully do it one day when i find a good proven mapp, if i can get my hands on a tried and tested mapp then there would be no problem atall.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: tech1889 on 16 October 2010, 19:40
thing is mate no offense but no one will give you one of they're tried and tested maps lol
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: jonnyturbo on 16 October 2010, 19:48
GOOD BYE ENGINE !!!
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: RTechUK on 16 October 2010, 21:48
Any one can buy a flash tool find a supply of maps and flash a file to an ecu, (my 10 year old daughter has done it a few times.) once they flash a file and the car starts this brand themself as TUNERS but as soon as a flash goes worng and a car wont start and there remapping tools wont recover the ecu.. what next??   There are a handful of tuners in the Uk who have not jumped on the remap flash badwagon and who have chip tuning skills, who are fixing many fecked ecu from these so called tuners,  I have never killed one ecu in 12 years, and not one car did not go away as a non running.   A true Tuner will have the skills to produce a map from scratch, edit a map to make the most of the mods on a car, they should know the limits of the car and the mapping, and be 100% confident in what they are doing and if a ecu fecks up they have the skill to fix it there and then.  Thats why I have 100% good feedback.   Thats why most people come me for a remap, they know they get a job done right, the car will start.  You see new tuners crop up, with no skills, no mechanical background not understanding on how to tune cams, carbs or dizzy car,, just read on google you will see them come and go within 12months.

 

As for the first post and remapping with a KWP2000 tool then yes is will do the me7 512k and 1mb ecus with easy, I know the guy well who produced the genuine kwp2000 before it go cloned to feck, He even produced an add one for the kwp2000 which alsos to read and write the me7 1.8t ecus. If I was you and your car is a 1.8T I would go for it, write a map , if it goes wrong you can always send me the ecu to fix.  You can send me your read file and I will write you a basic stage 1 remap unique to you.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: RTechUK on 16 October 2010, 21:57
And just to add:

You can write a 1.8T me7.5 remap with a vagcom lead and a free software download :rolleyes:  It works really well but it wont recover a bad flash,, which mean you have to send the ecu to me if your laptop fails to write the full file.

The leads this software works on are:
 eBay USB VAG KKL using the FTDI D2XX standard driver
-Ross-Tech HEX-KEY-CAN using the Ross-Tech FTDI D2XX driver ("boot in intelligent mode" must be unchecked in the VCDS options screen)
Any dumb OBDII cable using the FTDI USB chip


PM me for the software link, and if you want a basic map file for your car just email me your read, dont expect to have an R-Tech remap, as all of our new version gen4 and 5 maps are locked and 100% unique to us.  But I am willing to do a diy tuner a basic 30bhp/30lbft map to get them on there way.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: GOLF_STU on 16 October 2010, 22:15
And just to add:

You can write a 1.8T me7.5 remap with a vagcom lead and a free software download :rolleyes:  It works really well but it wont recover a bad flash,, which mean you have to send the ecu to me if your laptop fails to write the full file.

The leads this software works on are:
 eBay USB VAG KKL using the FTDI D2XX standard driver
-Ross-Tech HEX-KEY-CAN using the Ross-Tech FTDI D2XX driver ("boot in intelligent mode" must be unchecked in the VCDS options screen)
Any dumb OBDII cable using the FTDI USB chip


PM me for the software link, and if you want a basic map file for your car just email me your read, dont expect to have an R-Tech remap, as all of our new version gen4 and 5 maps are locked and 100% unique to us.  But I am willing to do a diy tuner a basic 30bhp/30lbft map to get them on there way.

doubt you'd get a better offer ya cant say fairer than that  :smiley:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: asif on 16 October 2010, 22:22
Jeez that's really nice of you mate to get him started, I would've thought most people wouldn't do what your offering.

Top man :afro:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: jonnyturbo on 16 October 2010, 22:40
Yep very good offer that mate . once again great advice from Mr Gower
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: RTechUK on 16 October 2010, 22:42
I will help anyone out,  I enjoy what I do.   Not every one can say they have a 100% unique map on there car flashed by there own laptop..lo

Nick
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: RTechUK on 16 October 2010, 22:46
Yep very good offer that mate . once again great advice from Mr Gower

DIY mapping aint bad at all, as long as you have someone (me) as back up and support and your not taking a risk by using unknow quality ebay cd remaps, then you cannot go wrong.  I just dont want the OP take a risk, and blow his engine from a all for one remap from a random data base.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: houston on 16 October 2010, 22:54
my kwp is still sittin in cupboard after i mapped my 306, got to admit it went well with the map, but then i lent it to a friend who did his 206 nd had nowt but bother and ended up having to get a new hp pump, and theyt are not cheap and not easy to replace.

ecu is the least of your worries if the map goes tits up
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 16 October 2010, 23:07
As usual all the relevant information and help from nick  :wink: and a nice little offer included as well as the back up to spot on :afro:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: RTechUK on 16 October 2010, 23:11
my kwp is still sittin in cupboard after i mapped my 306, got to admit it went well with the map, but then i lent it to a friend who did his 206 nd had nowt but bother and ended up having to get a new hp pump, and theyt are not cheap and not easy to replace.

ecu is the least of your worries if the map goes tits up

True, Its about knowing how good that map is and has is just been upped my a fixed % on every map or calibrated in the correct manner.  and there are lots of maps and tuners out there just added % to every map with out even knowing what the map is for..lol  With TDIs we work with exact fuel IQ request maps, actual boost maps in millibar, voltage maps in volts.. and all this tallys up with vagcom datalogging, so as long at the engine is in good running order we can manipulate the vagcom reading to how we want them,   Petrol map are a bit harder you got to understand pid contollers, and ideal lambda for a given loads and rpm ranges,  model egt thresholds, N75 map,  and working with load and not boost maps.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: RTechUK on 16 October 2010, 23:11
 should have pressed edit..lol
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: jimbooboo on 17 October 2010, 13:42
my kwp is still sittin in cupboard after i mapped my 306, got to admit it went well with the map, but then i lent it to a friend who did his 206 nd had nowt but bother and ended up having to get a new hp pump, and theyt are not cheap and not easy to replace.

ecu is the least of your worries if the map goes tits up

True, Its about knowing how good that map is and has is just been upped my a fixed % on every map or calibrated in the correct manner.  and there are lots of maps and tuners out there just added % to every map with out even knowing what the map is for..lol  With TDIs we work with exact fuel IQ request maps, actual boost maps in millibar, voltage maps in volts.. and all this tallys up with vagcom datalogging, so as long at the engine is in good running order we can manipulate the vagcom reading to how we want them,   Petrol map are a bit harder you got to understand pid contollers, and ideal lambda for a given loads and rpm ranges,  model egt thresholds, N75 map,  and working with load and not boost maps.

Nick you have just blown my mind.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 17 October 2010, 14:48
my kwp is still sittin in cupboard after i mapped my 306, got to admit it went well with the map, but then i lent it to a friend who did his 206 nd had nowt but bother and ended up having to get a new hp pump, and theyt are not cheap and not easy to replace.

ecu is the least of your worries if the map goes tits up

True, Its about knowing how good that map is and has is just been upped my a fixed % on every map or calibrated in the correct manner.  and there are lots of maps and tuners out there just added % to every map with out even knowing what the map is for..lol  With TDIs we work with exact fuel IQ request maps, actual boost maps in millibar, voltage maps in volts.. and all this tallys up with vagcom datalogging, so as long at the engine is in good running order we can manipulate the vagcom reading to how we want them,   Petrol map are a bit harder you got to understand pid contollers, and ideal lambda for a given loads and rpm ranges,  model egt thresholds, N75 map,  and working with load and not boost maps.

Nick you have just blown my mind.

Knows his stuff does nick :afro:  :wink:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: tech1889 on 17 October 2010, 19:00
im very lost now...
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 17 October 2010, 19:11
im very lost now...
Not me  :wink: :smug: nicks explained most of the info here to me :afro:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: tech1889 on 17 October 2010, 19:16
give me a spanner over a computer anyday !!  :grin:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 17 October 2010, 19:24
give me a spanner over a computer anyday !!  :grin:
I like that way of thinking  :wink:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: munks on 18 October 2010, 22:56
Thank you for all the resonse guys!
And nick thanks for the advice, am starting to move away from the diy idea now and am temted to pay u a visit early next year!  :wink:
wen we did my mates 306 we just thought fu*k it and got i wrong a few (30 ish different maps) times but in the end was running sweet!
thinking about it i dont think i wana go through that again especially on my own car!  :grin:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: tech1889 on 18 October 2010, 22:58
so much easier working on other peoples cars lol
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: munks on 18 October 2010, 23:03
Yep if they say "dont worry just do it" it would be rude not to! bit of practice see!  :grin:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: irmscher on 19 October 2010, 00:15
That's good advice from Nick.

I work for Elite Remaps, and on the Accord club I've also done the same with some members who want to go the DIY route.  To be honest, the easiest thing to do is to sell the customer the map for their car and let them DIY flash it.

Something like the Galletto 1260 can do a variety of cars, and in addition to my Byteshooter and Kess V2 I keep the Galletto as a good backup tool - it's actually helped out a few times this year with customer cars, and it costs a few quid on ebay.

As Nick has described, you absolutely need to understand each map, and also understand the inter relatonship between each map.  Engine tuning is not about software tuning, you need to understand how an engine works to become a good engine tuner!!

And Diesel tuning is really very different to petrol tuning.  Remember, diesel is a lubricant as well as a fuel.

I've also seen some really bad remaps where we have corrected the sotware - in fact just this week I've tuned a 2006 A4 170bhp with a DPF that actually had maps missing, and the so called tuner had tried to run a DPF delete on it and ended up deleting maps in the process  :rolleyes:

It made me chuckle when I read the OP's comments about thinking the worst he could do was damage the ECU - in fact far from it, the EDC15 and 16 ECU's are totally recoverable, it's near impossible to cause them 'damage' in this way.  But each component you try and tune is at risk if you do not know what you are doing...

Leave it to the professionals mate, a lot of time and investment has gone into perfecting the maps we provide.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: houston on 05 November 2010, 17:15
thread revival

been playing a bit with my old kwp, but cant get it to read the ecu on my agu, pulled the cluster fuse but still cant get it to work, the dll was for a 7x boot mode, this the right one for agu? i dont think it is but theres nowt else there.

just killing me driving a slow car, want an r-tech remap but still waiting on money, was hoping this would keep me happy for a bit
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: RTechUK on 05 November 2010, 17:43
thread revival

been playing a bit with my old kwp, but cant get it to read the ecu on my agu, pulled the cluster fuse but still cant get it to work, the dll was for a 7x boot mode, this the right one for agu? i dont think it is but theres nowt else there.

just killing me driving a slow car, want an r-tech remap but still waiting on money, was hoping this would keep me happy for a bit

Only limited tools can do the AGU, even some of the £5k tools cannot do them, the kwp will only do the  me7, not the old motronic 5 systems found in tha AGU.

Nick
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: houston on 05 November 2010, 17:46
thread revival

been playing a bit with my old kwp, but cant get it to read the ecu on my agu, pulled the cluster fuse but still cant get it to work, the dll was for a 7x boot mode, this the right one for agu? i dont think it is but theres nowt else there.

just killing me driving a slow car, want an r-tech remap but still waiting on money, was hoping this would keep me happy for a bit

Only limited tools can do the AGU, even some of the £5k tools cannot do them, the kwp will only do the  me7, not the old motronic 5 systems found in tha AGU.

Nick

ah well, was worth a try, not as if ive wasted any money with it.

will hopefully be booking in to see you before the end of the year.

quick question tho, if i were to get you remap my agu, then if i were to fit a k03s at a later date, would i need another map to suit it or is it just bolt on and go?
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: richw911 on 05 November 2010, 17:51
thread revival

been playing a bit with my old kwp, but cant get it to read the ecu on my agu, pulled the cluster fuse but still cant get it to work, the dll was for a 7x boot mode, this the right one for agu? i dont think it is but theres nowt else there.

just killing me driving a slow car, want an r-tech remap but still waiting on money, was hoping this would keep me happy for a bit

Only limited tools can do the AGU, even some of the £5k tools cannot do them, the kwp will only do the  me7, not the old motronic 5 systems found in tha AGU.

Nick

ah well, was worth a try, not as if ive wasted any money with it.

will hopefully be booking in to see you before the end of the year.

quick question tho, if i were to get you remap my agu, then if i were to fit a k03s at a later date, would i need another map to suit it or is it just bolt on and go?

You would need another map to suit  :smiley:
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: Steve_Goral on 22 June 2014, 20:57
Sorry to revive an old thread but like an idiot Ican find a way to PM Nick.  Is there a decent starter DIY map for the 1.8T AUM available anywhere? 

I'm saving up for an R-Tech remap, but it would be nice to have a generic one to see how it goes.
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 22 June 2014, 22:06
Sorry to revive an old thread but like an idiot Ican find a way to PM Nick.  Is there a decent starter DIY map for the 1.8T AUM available anywhere? 

I'm saving up for an R-Tech remap, but it would be nice to have a generic one to see how it goes.
Thread revival indeed  :grin: but i would advise against any diy starter map
you can contact nick here : http://www.r-techpower.co.uk/r-tech-contact.php
Title: Re: hellloo diy remap!
Post by: Chris. on 23 June 2014, 22:57
just go drop it off....go  have a coffee, dinner and pick it up later on in the day.

By time you spend £30 on a flash cable, thats already 10% of the way towards a proper remap.

Only way I would say have a go yourself is if you know what your doing and prepared to take the risk.  trust me, its not as easy as it looks when starting out....I can assure you that.  I must have made 40+ changes to my files and im only just starting to get the car to boost where i want it.