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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Sootchucker on 23 October 2017, 16:10
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Just been speaking to a colleague at work, who live east Manchester area, and he told me 3 cars were lifted last night from his estate. All were keyless cars - one a new BMW M4, one a Mercedes Benz E class and one an Audi SQ7. All were caught on the individual house CCTV, (the thieves didn't even bother to cover their faces) and all cars gone within 45 seconds.
All were seen to be 2 men, one waving a bag around near the front door (obviously trying to pick up the key signal) and one near the car with another device. Within a few seconds the cars were unlocked and no more than 20 seconds later they were started and driven away.
Obviously this is getting more and more common, and is a concern to people like me that have keyless entry, but on checking things out on the web, I found this:
https://www.dataleaklawyers.co.uk/blog/volkswagen-vulnerable-to-key-hacking
The key point (no pun intended is) this paragraph :
Volkswagen have said to Automotive News that: “This current vehicle generation is not afflicted by the problems prescribed”. They claim that current Golf, Passat, Tiguan and Touran are not at risk.
Volkswagen has refused to comment on whether any other models have been affected – but, apparently, according to research, these flaws were also found on other Volkswagen Group vehicles like the 2016 Audi Q3.
This report was only on Volkswagen’s mass market brand. Many other companies such as Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini and Porsche are also part of the Volkswagen group, so these vehicles may also have the same vulnerability.
The vehicles on Volkswagen’s newest MQB platform do not seem to have the same vulnerability.
It will be interesting to see how Volkswagen handle this latest scandal…
Not sure I believe this, but is it true that the MK7 Golf (being on the MQB platform) doesn't suffer from this vulnerability ?
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Not sure, but this is exactly why I did not spec Keyless entry.
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I got my 2 'Faraday cage' bag things yesterday and I can confirm that the car will not open when the keys are inside, even stood directly next to the car :smiley:
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Easy enough to guard against. Keep the key somewhere in the house further from the car, buy one of those Faraday Cage thingys, or wrap the key loosely in aluminium foil, which works like a Faraday Cage and stops the keyless working, even when right next to the car door.
A similar problem was featured, on TV this morning, with contactless payment cards. Seems like we will need to develop stratagies for Near Field Communication technology.
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Well if there is a problem then what VW shouldn't be doing is causing panic amongst existing owners or advertising the existence of an issue to opportunist thieves.
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I don't know how you can fix it.... the mysterious carrier bag is a radio repeater - basically they extend the range of the keyless fob to the car using a repeater.
Like this: https://hackaday.com/tag/keyfob/
Its been around for some time!
Fundamentally, there is nothing the OEM can do against this.
As suggested here, either place your key as far away from the vehicle as you possibly can and/or put it in a radio supressing wrapper - tin foil lined box would do it. Remembering of course to do the same if you have a spare!!
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Several incidents all over Europe I believe. I haven't, to this day, understood what problems or real inconveniences does a KESSY address other than being able to say "look ma, no hands" which is probably funny if you're below 8 and surprised by wireless technology. I'm not judging the people that like it or have it in their cars by choice, but to the manufacturers that have decided to offer what is in my eyes a useless, show-off feature without even properly addressing the vulnerabilities. Because you know in 6 months, the currently un-affected cars will be the next ones affected so you better switch to the next ones that are really un-hackable, but which also in another 6 months time will be hackable etc. etc. Don't we have enough to worry about already in terms of car theft/safety?
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2016...
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/04/new-york-times-columnist-falls-prey-to-signal-repeater-car-burglary/
Possible proof of concept from as early as 2011...
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I got my 2 'Faraday cage' bag things yesterday and I can confirm that the car will not open when the keys are inside, even stood directly next to the car :smiley:
Would you happen to have a link to what you bought? There's so many about it's difficult to sort the good from the bad. Thanks.
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Just ebay search for "faraday bag" and you'll see hundreds... some even stated for car keys.
Its pretty basic tech tbh, you can test it easily - keep it in the bag, try to open the car. If you can't then it works :D
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I got my 2 'Faraday cage' bag things yesterday and I can confirm that the car will not open when the keys are inside, even stood directly next to the car :smiley:
Would you happen to have a link to what you bought? There's so many about it's difficult to sort the good from the bad. Thanks.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-Car-Keyless-Entry-Fob-Guard-Signal-Blocker-Genuine-Faraday-Bag-Block-Theft/391873299545?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
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Thanks for that Kalimon. :cool:
I'll be ordering some of those later on tonight.
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Had a security update in 2011 on my 2010 BMW for the keyless entry, apparently even with the update it was still never going to be 100% guaranteed it will be there every morning. Would not have another keyless car again.
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There are a couple of different sorts of attack on remote entry/start systems... there are sophisticated ones which actually probe the security keys and there is this latest one which isn't sophisticated at all... which is scary.
This radio repeater one can't be fixed by the OEM!
Here's another article, from ADAC:
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/study-finds-24-car-models-open-unlocking-ignition-hack/
Again 2016.... lists a VW Golf GTD as stealable, amongst others!
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Here's another one:
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-pair-11-radio-gadgets-can-steal-car/
They managed to boost the signal even further... with $22 worth of kit!
Plus they also point out that its not just at home... I didn't think of this, but you could whack a car in the street or in a car park as you walk away from it.
Glad I don't have keyless...
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I agree Fred.
I know some on here swear by their keyless, but i've always thought of it both as a liability and a reinvention of the wheel. I was actually rather pleased that it's no longer standard on the 7.5.
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I like keyless but would prefer to have to use the actual remote to open and close the doors and just have push button ignition.
My wife's car is configured like this.
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I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.
They seem to be overpriced but are good quality.
Hard to know which ones are good and which ones are junk on Amazon or eBay.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JNWH83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_af87zbT3S7PVT (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JNWH83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_af87zbT3S7PVT)
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£30 for a bag 😲. I only paid a fiver for one from Amazon, definitely not worth paying 30 quid though.
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I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.
Just to repeat myself.... the threat isn't just in the house... it can happen in a car park just as easily.
So, if you have to put your keyless fob in a bag that is sealed and then take it out to use it... haven't you just effectively stopped using keyless entry? Its actually easier to hit the blipper on the standard remote lol.
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I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.
They seem to be overpriced but are good quality.
Hard to know which ones are good and which ones are junk on Amazon or eBay.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JNWH83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_af87zbT3S7PVT (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JNWH83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_af87zbT3S7PVT)
£30 for a bag with a bit of tinfoil in the lining, :rolleyes:
On another matter did I tell you about my uncle in Africa who has been left $40,000,000 and needs an account to hold the money in?
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I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.
Just to repeat myself.... the threat isn't just in the house... it can happen in a car park just as easily.
So, if you have to put your keyless fob in a bag that is sealed and then take it out to use it... haven't you just effectively stopped using keyless entry? Its actually easier to hit the blipper on the standard remote lol.
How is the threat the same in a car park?
The reason people put them in the bags at home is so that "Signal repeaters" can't pick up the signal from the key and re-transmit them to the car. Signal repeaters have limited range. I somehow doubt that (unless they're tailing you, which I'd be more worried about) they'll be able to re-transmit a signal from when you're walking round the shops back to the car park to open and start your car.
Unless I'm not seeing a further 'hidden danger' with walking round with the keys to my car in my pocket.
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I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.
Just to repeat myself.... the threat isn't just in the house... it can happen in a car park just as easily.
So, if you have to put your keyless fob in a bag that is sealed and then take it out to use it... haven't you just effectively stopped using keyless entry? Its actually easier to hit the blipper on the standard remote lol.
How is the threat the same in a car park?
The reason people put them in the bags at home is so that "Signal repeaters" can't pick up the signal from the key and re-transmit them to the car. Signal repeaters have limited range. I somehow doubt that (unless they're tailing you, which I'd be more worried about) they'll be able to re-transmit a signal from when you're walking round the shops back to the car park to open and start your car.
Unless I'm not seeing a further 'hidden danger' with walking round with the keys to my car in my pocket.
Because whilst you're stood at the ticket machine paying your parking, they are stealing your car using the same principles of signal boosting.
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I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.
Just to repeat myself.... the threat isn't just in the house... it can happen in a car park just as easily.
So, if you have to put your keyless fob in a bag that is sealed and then take it out to use it... haven't you just effectively stopped using keyless entry? Its actually easier to hit the blipper on the standard remote lol.
How is the threat the same in a car park?
The reason people put them in the bags at home is so that "Signal repeaters" can't pick up the signal from the key and re-transmit them to the car. Signal repeaters have limited range. I somehow doubt that (unless they're tailing you, which I'd be more worried about) they'll be able to re-transmit a signal from when you're walking round the shops back to the car park to open and start your car.
Unless I'm not seeing a further 'hidden danger' with walking round with the keys to my car in my pocket.
Watch this video on this link (that I posted previously):
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-pair-11-radio-gadgets-can-steal-car/
Instead of a shop, imagine its a car park.
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I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.
They seem to be overpriced but are good quality.
Hard to know which ones are good and which ones are junk on Amazon or eBay.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JNWH83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_af87zbT3S7PVT (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JNWH83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_af87zbT3S7PVT)
£30 for a bag with a bit of tinfoil in the lining, :rolleyes:
On another matter did I tell you about my uncle in Africa who has been left $40,000,000 and needs an account to hold the money in?
:grin: :grin:
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So it is defeating the whole idea of easy access to your car when you need to mess around taking it out of a foil lined baggy to get in the car when others just need to press a button. :whistle: :grin:
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I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.
Just to repeat myself.... the threat isn't just in the house... it can happen in a car park just as easily.
So, if you have to put your keyless fob in a bag that is sealed and then take it out to use it... haven't you just effectively stopped using keyless entry? Its actually easier to hit the blipper on the standard remote lol.
How is the threat the same in a car park?
The reason people put them in the bags at home is so that "Signal repeaters" can't pick up the signal from the key and re-transmit them to the car. Signal repeaters have limited range. I somehow doubt that (unless they're tailing you, which I'd be more worried about) they'll be able to re-transmit a signal from when you're walking round the shops back to the car park to open and start your car.
Unless I'm not seeing a further 'hidden danger' with walking round with the keys to my car in my pocket.
Because whilst you're stood at the ticket machine paying your parking, they are stealing your car using the same principles of signal boosting.
Didn't think of that. That said, I never leave the golf in pay and displays. The one's I use are all pay at machine before you get back to your car
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So it is defeating the whole idea of easy access to your car when you need to mess around taking it out of a foil lined baggy to get in the car when others just need to press a button. :whistle: :grin:
Yep :D
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So it is defeating the whole idea of easy access to your car when you need to mess around taking it out of a foil lined baggy to get in the car when others just need to press a button. :whistle: :grin:
Just a bit.
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Here is how I roll these days, total cost feck all.
(https://s5.postimg.org/49rud2klj/20171025_174117.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/kkry9dx37/)
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You've lined your handbag with tinfoil? ;-)
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You've lined your handbag with tinfoil? ;-)
Only on weekends :whistle:
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But if the victim (person with the real key) is left behind does this mean the car will detect 'no key present' and shut down after a short distance or does the person with the device standing by the car permanently have a device that emulates the original key?
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As far as I know you can drive as far as you like, as long as you don't switch off.
I am sure there have been cases of passengers taking the keys with them when you drop them off before...
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This is correct, you can drive as long as you don't stall/turn off.
Hence why some thieves have even filled up the cars at petrol stations without turning the car off.
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Which means they have no real incentive of having it for more than a few hours then? Or maybe drive it somewhere strip it or use it in a robbery then get rid.
So on to another point, does this mean if the start / stop kicks in the car is dead? Or only if they press the Start Engine Stop button and completely shut the car down?
I would be seriously pissed if someone did this to me which is why I ask so many questions. Well I have ordered a signal jamming pouch for my main key and took the battery out of my spare key so hopefully that makes me feel a bit more at ease in future.
I keep hearing of keyless cars being stolen outside my gym in the car park. It is all CCTV'd up but it doesn't stop them. Haven't heard of any MK7 Golfs going just Fords and BMWs from memory.
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I keep hearing of keyless cars being stolen outside my gym in the car park. It is all CCTV'd up but it doesn't stop them. Haven't heard of any MK7 Golfs going just Fords and BMWs from memory.
Seems that the Fiesta ST is a popular target, judging by discussions on fiestastoc.com. Many ST owners are using a steering wheel Disklok and have relocated the OBD port to help foil the would-be thief.
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Which means they have no real incentive of having it for more than a few hours then? Or maybe drive it somewhere strip it or use it in a robbery then get rid.
So on to another point, does this mean if the start / stop kicks in the car is dead? Or only if they press the Start Engine Stop button and completely shut the car down?
Drive it away to either strip or rebuild with new electronics.
I'd guess strip is the most likely? How do people profit from stealing cars these days? I'd doubt if that info was generally available...
I don't think a start/stop restart needs a key, just a full engine stop.
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At the end of the day if a thief wants your car badly enough he will find a way to get it. No extra locks, tin foil bags etc etc will make any difference. We pay insurance for a reason so if s4it happens it happens.
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Heads up.
Car crime, are you a target is on ITV tonight at 7:30
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At the end of the day if a thief wants your car badly enough he will find a way to get it. No extra locks, tin foil bags etc etc will make any difference. We pay insurance for a reason so if s4it happens it happens.
True but they probably only have one game plan unless your car is a Ferrari.
No point in getting stolen because you won't take notice of warnings of preventable types of attack...
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At the end of the day if a thief wants your car badly enough he will find a way to get it. No extra locks, tin foil bags etc etc will make any difference. We pay insurance for a reason so if s4it happens it happens.
Sorry I disagree with this sort of generalizing. I am guessing more than 99% of the cases are not personal anyway so "if someone wants your car badly enough" don't think that applies to most people here. It's simply a matter of which car is easier to get their hands on. There is hardly only one Golf GTI/ R/ GTD etc. etc. in the country or even city/town. If cars with KESSY are easier to breach then your KESSY equipped Golf (hypothesis here I don't even know if you own one) will always be a higher target than the non-KESSY one of the neighboor. Thieves don't have a reason to stick to a particular car if it is not equipped with the highest vulnerabilties of its time, plenty of others to choose from (talking about mass-production vehicles). As owners I think it makes sense to also make model and equipment choices over the above fact.
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This signal extending type of theft is one of the reasons why I've had additional security fitted to mine, they could get in but the car's going nowhere unless it's being towed.
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Totally irrelevant if a car has kessy or not. To repeat if thieves want a particular car then they'll steal it. Cars are stolen to order or stripped for parts and they won't care either way if one has kessy or a key fob that you press. Lifes too short to worry about ifs and maybes.
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This craic of putting your key fob in a tinfoil bag is faintly ridiculous imo. Should I put a tinfoil hat on my head too before going to sleep? It all reminds me of Saul Goodman’s dad (anyone who hasn’t seen Better Call Saul won’t have a clue what I’m talking about).
Anyhow, if they can get into a car by this method in a keyless car then they can get into a non keyless car by the exact same mechanism ffs! They might have an extra challenge in actually starting the non keyless car but I can guarantee you that if they’re in the drivers seat they will have the means to start it. Somehow. Keyless or not.
As mcMaddy says, if they want the car they will take it , by whatever means necessary. I don’t believe the pond life in my neck of the woods would know a keyless car from a non keyless either tbh.
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Anyhow, if they can get into a car by this method in a keyless car then they can get into a non keyless car by the exact same mechanism ffs!
How is that? non-KEYLESS fobs don't continuously emit any signal, do they? Unless you mean the split second you press the button to unlock the car or i am completely missing the point.
Still "not every car is the same" shouldn't be so hard to grasp. To begin with, if someone determined enough wants to steal even the US president's limousine there could be a way to do it, sure. I guess we shall just stop any theft discussion then? No, because in the rest of the case I imagine thieves choose a car, say my Golf GTI, as they have guaranteed some income from selling that particular model for scrap, or they act upon request. If signal hacking offers an easy and efficient way to do it in 45 seconds as has been seen then it's reasonable to assume it could be their main plan. So they spot my GTI and try the system. Bad luck, the car hasn't got KESSY, what now? They can go old-school and try some harder and more traditional approaches or... just find another GTI with KESSY, hundreds of them out there anyway. I think I know what I'd choose if I was them...
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying non-KESSY cars are any sort of a fort, car theft did not start in the recent years. But technology is something we all appreciate and embrace, even thieves. If there is an easier way to do it they will mostly stick to that, it's just a matter of increasing your chances. See how they even prefer breaking into a house (where in theory anything could happen inside) to just pick up keys instead of breaking into the car itself. It's not that easy if you don't completely bypass the mechanical limitations any more. I also fully agree with Mcmaddy's point about "having insurance for when the sh1t happens" but I would skip any trivial feature such as KESSY when the possible trade-off is that I might have to go through car theft/replacement process with my insurance company surely - anyone been there knows it's not as easy as having a replacement car waiting for you at your driveway the next day.
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I have to agree with scanesare on this one. Unfortunately living in Birmingham there is a lot of thieves lurking round every corner and if I can make it slightly harder for these scum to take my car I will.
After having a car stolen last year I am more vigilant for it to not happen again as it's an absolute ballache to go though all of the paperwork and telephone conversations with police and insurance companies and that's before you manage to find a replacement car you like and I do not want to go through it again.
I don't think I am being paranoid by spending £8 on a small protective bag which I put my key in overnight to prevent waking up the following morning to find out someone has taken my pride and joy off the drive.
Most likely someone who has come with a device that can read the key and realises it doesn't work will move onto someone else and if they are hell bent on getting my car and decide to break in etc then like you say I will let the insurance take care of it.
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If you leave your front door on your house open or with the key in it, most likely you won't be burgled.
If someone decides to break into your house anyway, they will smash a window...
Doesn't mean to say that you leave the door open...
The guys using this amplification attack are chancers. They have the kit, they will no doubt try an entire road/car park of vehicles looking for a mark. They don't care if its your car or your neighbours.
Just make sure that you aren't the mark.
I'd guess sooner or later the insurance company will start not paying out to people who make themselves weak through inaction too - I would if I was an insurer...
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I'd guess sooner or later the insurance company will start not paying out to people who make themselves weak through inaction too - I would if I was an insurer...
There's the thing. Keyless has been around on everyday cars for ten years or more, and yet it's not even a question on an insurance proposal form. They will have stats on all of this stuff, so I'd guess chances of losing your keyless car are still slim. This is all a bit "stranger danger" isn't it? As said above, if they want it, they'll have it.
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I'd guess sooner or later the insurance company will start not paying out to people who make themselves weak through inaction too - I would if I was an insurer...
There's the thing. Keyless has been around on everyday cars for ten years or more, and yet it's not even a question on an insurance proposal form. They will have stats on all of this stuff, so I'd guess chances of losing your keyless car are still slim. This is all a bit "stranger danger" isn't it? As said above, if they want it, they'll have it.
Says a lot that this kind of thing + R thefts a plenty have far less of an impact than traffic queue 'you know you don't want to, so ,I won't. The park assist won't crash at 11mph has a huge impact, rightly or wrongly.
Insurance works on that overall maths thing, with a healthy slice of bean counter. Pay out less than expected = good, pay out more = bad.
Far worse to have to shell out for expensive oily bits & be a bit older. With same crappy postcode, I'm paying between 30-50% at most of my last renewal of the admittedly somewhat more exciting, but appreciably slower, Honda R. It was some time ago, but...
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I've got this pack of three for a tenner off Amazon and they work fine
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00QIEX04K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Edit - double post
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...........but the NFC radiation is messing with your head? :smiley:
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...........but the NFC radiation is messing with your head? :smiley:
Aye maybe - or more likely just middle age!
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hi all, for me the keyless is awsome as i don't need to faff turning the ignition on/off. i use the key as normal opening doors etc then put it in the pouch i bought before leaving the cars area. this is my pouch and it's great. i leave the key lose in the pouch and i have the house keys on the chain outside of the pouch, works great... :)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01N2O9NQQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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An empty Quavers packet does the trick if you can stand the smell :grin:
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I've got this pack of three for a tenner off Amazon and they work fine
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00QIEX04K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Steve Marriott's Packet of Three, good band, brings back memories. :cool:
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An empty Quavers packet does the trick if you can stand the smell :grin:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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OEMs could have fixed this by just having an on/off switch on the remote. Or possibly reducing the allowed time delay between fob emitting a code and the car accepting it
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Can KESSY be coded / coded / switched off? What's the easiest way to stop it?
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I found the best way was not to spec it :tongue:
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Just buy one of the pouches. They work perfectly, seem to prolong the battery life in the fob too.
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I found the best way was not to spec it :tongue:
Yeap, agreed. :smiley: Not an option when you're poor and have to buy a second hand example. :sad:
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I found the best way was not to spec it :tongue:
Yeap, agreed. :smiley: Not an option when you're poor and have to buy a second hand example. :sad:
It was standard on 5dr cars built wk22 2015 onwards up until pre-facelift stopped production. So unfortunately no option not to spec it :sad:
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Can KESSY be coded / coded / switched off? What's the easiest way to stop it?
Yes it can, I think Fred posted the coding to disable keyless entry but not the keyless ignition?
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I’ve not long got a GTi which has keyless didn’t really want it but it had virtually every option ticked, actually really like it but I have a faraday type pouch for the main key and I keep the spare wrapped in tinfoil!
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Can KESSY be coded / coded / switched off? What's the easiest way to stop it?
Yes it can, I think Fred posted the coding to disable keyless entry but not the keyless ignition?
Not me.... too technical for me!
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Is this the post you're thinking of?
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=282638.msg2580123#msg2580123
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Can KESSY be coded / coded / switched off? What's the easiest way to stop it?
Yes it can, I think Fred posted the coding to disable keyless entry but not the keyless ignition?
I'd be happy with that. On the new Audi's you can disable keyless entry using the MMI, which doesn't help here.
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Yeah
Stop start module
Long coding
Activation of kessy door handle, driver door
Activation of kessy door handle, ft pass door
Change to not installed
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Looks like I'll be looking at Carly then...
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Can KESSY be coded / coded / switched off? What's the easiest way to stop it?
Yes it can, I think Fred posted the coding to disable keyless entry but not the keyless ignition?
I'd be happy with that. On the new Audi's you can disable keyless entry using the MMI, which doesn't help here.
Would you mind sharing how to do this using the MMI.
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Can KESSY be coded / coded / switched off? What's the easiest way to stop it?
Yes it can, I think Fred posted the coding to disable keyless entry but not the keyless ignition?
I'd be happy with that. On the new Audi's you can disable keyless entry using the MMI, which doesn't help here.
Would you mind sharing how to do this using the MMI.
Now you're asking. I'll have to find it, bear with...
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Can KESSY be coded / coded / switched off? What's the easiest way to stop it?
Yes it can, I think Fred posted the coding to disable keyless entry but not the keyless ignition?
I'd be happy with that. On the new Audi's you can disable keyless entry using the MMI, which doesn't help here.
Would you mind sharing how to do this using the MMI.
https://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=127584&p=881409#p881409 (https://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=127584&p=881409#p881409)
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I think it’s an OBDEleven job in the golf rather than MMI. If Fred spots this I think he was the expert...
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I think it’s an OBDEleven job in the golf rather than MMI. If Fred spots this I think he was the expert...
Definitely not an expert in fixing it.... I did rant for a long time about the dangers of not fixing it.
You need VCDS/OBD11 to fix it on a Golf - someone else posted up what needs to be changed.
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Me post 69
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Not read back in this post but AutoWatch Ghost or Clifford Blackjax prevent your car being taken as they rely on pushing a few buttons when you get in your car. I have experience of both and it couldn’t be easier. Thieves can still get hold of your code and unlock your car but they can’t start it. It’s such an easy fix so I can’t understand why manufacturers don’t fit these devices as standard. Typical cost is around £500, sometimes less. There’s a feature on AutoWatch Ghost in a recent edition of Volkswagen Driver Magazine and I’ll shortly be doing one on Clifford Blackjax.
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Me post 69
Sorry missed that one. I knew someone had the coding but thought Fred posted it🤔
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Can KESSY be coded / coded / switched off? What's the easiest way to stop it?
Yes it can, I think Fred posted the coding to disable keyless entry but not the keyless ignition?
I'd be happy with that. On the new Audi's you can disable keyless entry using the MMI, which doesn't help here.
Would you mind sharing how to do this using the MMI.
https://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=127584&p=881409#p881409 (https://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=127584&p=881409#p881409)
Around page 22
Another one here, with a screen shot this time:
https://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?p=888115&sid=9b454a8d643005efce8d7b11dc89a0c9#p888115 (https://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?p=888115&sid=9b454a8d643005efce8d7b11dc89a0c9#p888115)
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Interesting demo video... how easy is it for your keyless car to be taken? And some solutions to stop this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9IhrMExnzM
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I thought that on the GTI you could disable the fob transmitting it's frequency/ signal by shutting the drivers door then pressing the lock on the fob and then pressing, within a few seconds, the keyless door handle close button ?
I thought that this procedure temporarily disabled keyless entry and thus also disabled the fob from transmitting ?
Mines got keyless and personally I don't see a benefit at all (other than for the thieves) , just a gimmick .......I mean how hard is it to press a button, phew exhausting glad I've got keyless 😀
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Mines got keyless and personally I don't see a benefit at all (other than for the thieves) , just a gimmick .......I mean how hard is it to press a button, few exhausting glad I've got keyless 😀
Completely agree. Never seen the point of it personally. It'd be nice to have the option to not have it. But unfortunately VW knows best :sad:
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Mines got keyless and personally I don't see a benefit at all (other than for the thieves) , just a gimmick .......I mean how hard is it to press a button, few exhausting glad I've got keyless 😀
Completely agree. Never seen the point of it personally. It'd be nice to have the option to not have it. But unfortunately VW knows best :sad:
Thats why VW are so keen on selling you GAP insurance. Your car gets nicked, written off/never seen again, you get the original sale price back and go and buy another Golf :whistle:
Your happy because you get a new car, VW are happy because they sell a new car
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I had a keyless Discovery for nearly 9 years before I got my new GTI - delighted it’s not keyless
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Thats why VW are so keen on selling you GAP insurance. Your car gets nicked, written off/never seen again, you get the original sale price back and go and buy another Golf :whistle:
Your happy because you get a new car, VW are happy because they sell a new car
VW are probably keen to sell you their GAP product as it’s vastly over-priced compared to other GAP insurance products available from the likes of ALA, GAPinsurance123 or DirectGAP (there are others too).
I suspect that VW apply their own (large) mark up to their supplying GAP insurers price, hence why it’s so expensive compared to other GAP insurers products. I got GAP cover for less than half the price the VW dealer was trying to sell me their product for.
Also, it’s better to go for a Vehicle Replacement GAP product rather than Return to Invoice, so you don’t lose out if VW have increased the price of their cars, making a new replacement car more expensive than the original sale price paid.
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Slightly off topic but I am thinking of leasing a GTI for 2 years. Do I need to take out GAP insurance on top of my fully comp insurance?
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I’d suggest it’s an absolute must. I’ve just taken it out with my R. Only had one car stolen and it’s the one I didn’t have gap with. Typical.
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I had a keyless Discovery for nearly 9 years before I got my new GTI - delighted it’s not keyless
Wow.....a Discovery for 9 years.....series 3 or 4 .....more importantly how reliable was it ? I sold an anchient 200 Tdi six years ago and seriously thought of another Disco but decided in the end the new ones were way to complex with some horror stories on reliability. Bought a bottom of the range 5 door Shogun instead......still got it, never faulted but very agricultural compared to the series 3 or 4 Disco.
Love my new GTI even with keyless 😏
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I’d suggest it’s an absolute must. I’ve just taken it out with my R. Only had one car stolen and it’s the one I didn’t have gap with. Typical.
Thanks, will look for the gap insurance then based on recommendations here.
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Slightly off topic but I am thinking of leasing a GTI for 2 years. Do I need to take out GAP insurance on top of my fully comp insurance?
Mine's leased and we took out GAP with DirectGap as it's not clear on liability costs with leasing if it got written off etc. Think it was about £139 for 2 years cover.
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Saw this on a Skoda forum for MY20 changes and that usually translates to the VAG group
- KESSY key with motion sensor (does not emit signal unless key movement detected)
So if you key is passively sitting in your house it does not emit its signal, which is a simple solution the problem
https://www.kodiaqforums.co.uk/download/file.php?id=2028
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Would be nice to see it included.
When are MY20 details confirmed to the public?
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Saw this on a Skoda forum for MY20 changes and that usually translates to the VAG group
- KESSY key with motion sensor (does not emit signal unless key movement detected)
So if you key is passively sitting in your house it does not emit its signal, which is a simple solution the problem
https://www.kodiaqforums.co.uk/download/file.php?id=2028
There is already a company doing this that can be fitted to keyless car.
https://3dautokeys.co.uk/vehicle-security-shop/products/keyless-protector
Video here - go to about 7 mins to see both options
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9IhrMExnzM&t=655s
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The next obvious question is can this mod be retrofitted to older models with Kessy?
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The next obvious question is can this mod be retrofitted to older models with Kessy?
Think it might be a new key thats then programmed to your car - think circa £150 for a new key, but do not quote me, just sure read that previously. Same affect as putting in tin or one of those shielding bags/boxes just more convenient, though you suspect it saves battery as well if not emitting when passive.