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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: yamz89 on 19 November 2009, 16:33
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Anybody know what tyres are coming on the 18" Shadow Monza's please?
Cheers
Marc
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Hi Marc
Bridgestone Potenza's on mine, seem ok, car feels pretty planted in wet and a great drive in dry weather.
Seems to be a variety of tyres on the GTI some have Dunlops and some have continental sport, who knows what you'll get seems to be luck of the draw.
GW
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yep, could be anything. The Dunlops get slated but I have them and they're fine.
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I have Continental Contacts on my Monzas.
Dry grip is very good but in the wet the front tyres will spin in second at 30mph and the back end is very twitchy.
I have only done 500 miles so maybe need them to be scrubbed up a bit yet but so far not impressed.
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yep, could be anything. The Dunlops get slated but I have them and they're fine.
I have them also.. for the second time :embarassed:
IMO they are a horrible tyre that are not worthy of the GTI. Fine when your driving around normally, but when you really push on they seem to scramble for grip.. loss is not progressive but twitchy. The last time I swapped mine for Eagle F1 Assyms and the difference was night and day! I will be changing them at the first opportunity... as the dunlops also seem to suffer from inconsistent wear.. im quite sure this is down to flex in the carcass which is noticable with high speed cornering in the dry.
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it doesn't make sense why they would put on poor quality grip level tyres on a 20K+ car.. You would of thought they'd made sure about that factor.. Fingers crossed we get the Potenza's then
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The pictures of the Golf R showed dunlops fitted there too. I was gutted when I got my car because of the slating that I had read on this forum about the Dunlops but really, I think they are a good tyre and significantly better than the Pirelli's on my Scirocco.
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The pictures of the Golf R showed dunlops fitted there too. I was gutted when I got my car because of the slating that I had read on this forum about the Dunlops but really, I think they are a good tyre and significantly better than the Pirelli's on my Scirocco.
the pirelli's are not rated too highly either tbf. I didnt understand all teh fuss when i originally had the Sportmaxx... its only when i changed that i realised what a sub standard tyre they were. Why they then continue to put them on the Golf I have no idea :undecided:
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Anybody know what tyres are coming on the 18" Shadow Monza's please?
Cheers
Marc
yamz89,
I requested Bridgestone's when I ordered my car and the dealer told me they would put a request in with the order but would probobly make no difference. They agreed to replace the tyres with Bridgestone's if it arrived without them. I test drove Dunlops and Bridgestone's IMO Dunlop's weren't good! :cool:
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Most the press cars the magazines tested of the mk5 GTI when it first came out had dunlops :evil:
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Mine came with Bridgestones and apart from a couple of episodes of wheelspin when taking off fast from the lights in the wet, they've been fine. Cornering feels very planted.
Rolfe.
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I think Bridgestones (Mine's RE050) are decent allrounders.
In a wet country like Britain, it should come with Goodyears as most car mag still rate their tyres light years ahead from every other tyre manufacturers.
If your priority is fuel economy and dry weather grip, you should tried Michelin Pilot sport as their tyres seems to have a much lower resistance than the rest.
Another clue is to look at some top supercars such as 911 turbo (Michelin, Bridegstone), F458(Pirellis), Gallardo (Don't know) and note what tyres they use. I am sure if the tyres is good enough for a 190mph+ car should be ok for a car that can do 149mph!
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In the same vein Herbie, if the Dunlops are good enough for the Golf R they're fine for my GTI.
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Hmm, you always get mixed opinions on tyres on forums, it depends of people's driving styles and abilities, and how stupid they're being on the limit.
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Hmm, you always get mixed opinions on tyres on forums, it depends of people's driving styles and abilities, and how stupid they're being on the limit.
Agreed. Also depends on the car, the suspension set-up, the pressure you're running, how much wear there is on the tyre and many other things that might not be equal between the circumstances when one opinion was made against another. I don't think though that anyone should describe a mainstream brand tyre as dangerous or 'sub-standard' when that tyre has been tested, selected and fitted by VW (or any other manufacturer) unless there is a track record of upside-down wrecks with unexplained blow-outs (think Ford Explorer and Firestone).
Sure Dunlop Sportmaxx aren't necessarily the best tyre in the world, but if there was a real problem they wouldn't be on sale.
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All branded summer tyres are much of a muchness in winter.
Some just wear out a bit faster.
On the Mk5 my Bridgestone R050's were just as good as the Goodyear F1's I replaced them with.
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Hmm, you always get mixed opinions on tyres on forums, it depends of people's driving styles and abilities, and how stupid they're being on the limit.
Agreed. Also depends on the car, the suspension set-up, the pressure you're running, how much wear there is on the tyre and many other things that might not be equal between the circumstances when one opinion was made against another. I don't think though that anyone should describe a mainstream brand tyre as dangerous or 'sub-standard' when that tyre has been tested, selected and fitted by VW (or any other manufacturer) unless there is a track record of upside-down wrecks with unexplained blow-outs (think Ford Explorer and Firestone).
Sure Dunlop Sportmaxx aren't necessarily the best tyre in the world, but if there was a real problem they wouldn't be on sale.
Although there is some sense in what you wrote there. Pop over to the mk5 board and type in Dunlop Sportmaxx and read what people who have been using them for a few years on a car (cover you ears kev) virtually identical to the MK6 say about them. The proof is in the pudding... poor quality tyre*.
*this doesnt apply if you just poodle along but drive the GTI as its meant to be, it's hard to trust them.
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yep, could be anything. The Dunlops get slated but I have them and they're fine.
Give it to above 5000 miles and you'll be wanting new ones. They deform badly accross the tread (Like a 20p shape) and will be noisey or Give a very bad droning sound in the cabin (especially from the Rears).Will make you think your wheel bearings are rumbling.
If you havent already, get the cars Geometry checked soon as.Even though its new. :smiley:
They are truely an Horendous Tyre after some miles usage. Best Tyres are Michelin Ps2's, Vredestein ultrac's and Goodyear Eagle Assyms.
Hope this helps.
Or if you dont believe this, go to ANY tyre supplier and ask them what tends to happen to part worn Dunlop Sportmax's. They will tell you the same.
Theyre ok to start with but need changing too soon from new.
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Bridgestone Potenza's on mine, cant compare them to anything, but so far so good.
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yep, could be anything. The Dunlops get slated but I have them and they're fine.
Give it to above 5000 miles and you'll be wanting new ones. They deform badly accross the tread (Like a 20p shape) and will be noisey or Give a very bad droning sound in the cabin (especially from the Rears).Will make you think your wheel bearings are rumbling.
If you havent already, get the cars Geometry checked soon as.Even though its new. :smiley:
They are truely an Horendous Tyre after some miles usage. Best Tyres are Michelin Ps2's, Vredestein ultrac's and Goodyear Eagle Assyms.
Hope this helps.
Or if you dont believe this, go to ANY tyre supplier and ask them what tends to happen to part worn Dunlop Sportmax's. They will tell you the same.
Theyre ok to start with but need changing too soon from new.
Exactly. Mine were shocking by the time i had finished with them... uneven wear across all tyres and this is from a AWD!! I originally thought they were ok despite people slagging them off. Only had to change the front 2 to notice the gulf in class between them and the Goodyears.
Correct me if Im wrong phil... but didnt you have the same opinion when it was suggested that they weren't as good as others?
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Well I've done 7.5K and they are still fine, my car was the first Revo'd to 270 and not many cars overtake me and I mainly drive on fast twistie back roads. If these tyres underperformed I would feel it. I've driven on many other brand on may different cars (3 series, A4, Scirocco, Mk4 GTI etc) and these are as good as most and better than the P Zero's on the roc.
Proofs in the pudding, the tyres are fine and you guys are putting the willies up anyone who has them unfairly.
Did it occur to you guys that if Dunlops have been slated for years on the MK5's then they might have just made them better?
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Although there is some sense in what you wrote there. Pop over to the mk5 board and type in Dunlop Sportmaxx and read what people who have been using them for a few years on a car (cover you ears kev) virtually identical to the MK6 say about them. The proof is in the pudding... poor quality tyre*.
*this doesnt apply if you just poodle along but drive the GTI as its meant to be, it's hard to trust them.
Yeah, I've read T_T's public service safety bulletins - the man is entited to his opinions :grin:
I'm not saying the Dunlops are a good tyre, because I don't think they are. But for the majority of people who drive their cars well within the limits of adhesion they are perfectly adequate - and I don't think those people need to be given the impression they are driving a death trap because it's fitted with Dunlops. I've come across the uneven circumferential wear (50p-shaped tyres) before on other tyre brands and this can be a result of overheated tread blocks due to under-inflation.
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Well I've done 7.5K and they are still fine, my car was the first Revo'd to 270 and not many cars overtake me and I mainly drive on fast twistie back roads. If these tyres underperformed I would feel it. I've driven on many other brand on may different cars (3 series, A4, Scirocco, Mk4 GTI etc) and these are as good as most and better than the P Zero's on the roc.
Proofs in the pudding, the tyres are fine and you guys are putting the willies up anyone who has them unfairly.
Did it occur to you guys that if Dunlops have been slated for years on the MK5's then they might have just made them better?
To be fair Gossa, i bet you havent driven another Mk6 Gti to tell the difference. Different makes, cannot be compared too. MK5 and 6 are comparable.
If you like them thats fine, but Dunlop havent improved their tyres from a mk5 to a 6, the tyre compound is WEAK, so how can the Mk6 make any difference??
and yes R32uk, i did have these tyres, and they are truelly shocking the dunlops.Like i said, they are fine, but once over half worn, they make the car Sound like its rolling on Rusty wheel bearings!
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Although there is some sense in what you wrote there. Pop over to the mk5 board and type in Dunlop Sportmaxx and read what people who have been using them for a few years on a car (cover you ears kev) virtually identical to the MK6 say about them. The proof is in the pudding... poor quality tyre*.
*this doesnt apply if you just poodle along but drive the GTI as its meant to be, it's hard to trust them.
But for the majority of people who drive their cars well within the limits of adhesion they are perfectly adequate - and I don't think those people need to be given the impression they are driving a death trap because it's fitted with Dunlops.
Im not a Race driver, but i prefer to sit in a car, drive it and be able to have a conversation with the person next to me without having to shout over the drone coming from those Tyres!
They are perfectly ok and safe to use, you can spend your money on much better rubber for alot less, thats all.
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They deform badly accross the tread (Like a 20p shape) and will be noisey or Give a very bad droning sound in the cabin (especially from the Rears).Will make you think your wheel bearings are rumbling.
Come to think of it, I had a Skoda Octavia VRS company car for 3 months last year and that had Sportmaxx tyres on and suffered from a droning similar to a wheel bearing - which disappeared when the rear tyres were replaced... so perhaps I stand corrected.
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phil, fix your sig it's bugging me, I always see it.
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phil, fix your sig it's bugging me, I always see it.
^^^^ Mk5 's a future classic kev :wink:
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phil, fix your sig it's bugging me, I always see it.
^^^^ Mk5 's a future classic kev :wink:
In so many words. Tough :grin:
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^^^^ Mk5 's a future classic kev :wink:
Only if unmodified :evil:
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Although there is some sense in what you wrote there. Pop over to the mk5 board and type in Dunlop Sportmaxx and read what people who have been using them for a few years on a car (cover you ears kev) virtually identical to the MK6 say about them. The proof is in the pudding... poor quality tyre*.
*this doesnt apply if you just poodle along but drive the GTI as its meant to be, it's hard to trust them.
Yeah, I've read T_T's public service safety bulletins - the man is entited to his opinions :grin:
I'm not saying the Dunlops are a good tyre, because I don't think they are. But for the majority of people who drive their cars well within the limits of adhesion they are perfectly adequate - and I don't think those people need to be given the impression they are driving a death trap because it's fitted with Dunlops. I've come across the uneven circumferential wear (50p-shaped tyres) before on other tyre brands and this can be a result of overheated tread blocks due to under-inflation.
Like i said if you drive along normally then you probably wouldnt notice the difference.. but pushing them, they dont perform upto the standard I feel they should.. and this comes from driving lots of golfs, TDi, GTTDI, GTI, ED30, R32, MK6GTI. Like I said I didnt find much wrong with them until they were compared with other tyres. Certainly not dangerous... but I always push on with caution, something i dont feel you should have to do with a performance based car.
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Like i said if you drive along normally then you probably wouldnt notice the difference.. but pushing them, they dont perform upto the standard I feel they should.. and this comes from driving lots of golfs, TDi, GTTDI, GTI, ED30, R32, MK6GTI. Like I said I didnt find much wrong with them until they were compared with other tyres. Certainly not dangerous... but I always push on with caution, something i dont feel you should have to do with a performance based car.
I'm guessing you've found they lose grip suddenly and unpredictably, rather than progressively? I wait with interest to see what my R is fitted with when it arrives.
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Like i said if you drive along normally then you probably wouldnt notice the difference.. but pushing them, they dont perform upto the standard I feel they should.. and this comes from driving lots of golfs, TDi, GTTDI, GTI, ED30, R32, MK6GTI. Like I said I didnt find much wrong with them until they were compared with other tyres. Certainly not dangerous... but I always push on with caution, something i dont feel you should have to do with a performance based car.
I'm guessing you've found they lose grip suddenly and unpredictably, rather than progressively? I wait with interest to see what my R is fitted with when it arrives.
Yep... on quite a few occasions. Makes the car very twitchy, certainly increases the fun(kme) factor :evil:
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wow, 2 extra pages overnight, what have i started?!
so, Dunlops bad then? :evil:
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wow, 2 extra pages overnight, what have i started?!
so, Dunlops bad then? :evil:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Aye looks like it. Dreading looking at my tyres... if it ever turns up....
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wow, 2 extra pages overnight, what have i started?!
so, Dunlops bad then? :evil:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Aye looks like it. Dreading looking at my tyres... if it ever turns up....
And this is the whole point. When I picked my car up I was gutted and drove with a degree of caution initially as i'd heard that these Sportmaxxes were dangerous etc. However they perform fine so anyone who picks up their car and has them fitted, don't panic. Will I fit them again when they are worn? Probably not as I'll try something different and like Michelins but MY personal experience on MY mk6 is that they are fine, even good i'd say.
I had this same conversation with TT, if you haven't driven a MK6 to 90% of it's potential with the Dunlops, please don't frighten future owners by saying they are sh!t as it really ruins the whole event of collecting a new car and people then drive with limited confidence. if you have had a bad experience with this tyre on the MK6 then please feel free to share the experience.
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wow, 2 extra pages overnight, what have i started?!
so, Dunlops bad then? :evil:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Aye looks like it. Dreading looking at my tyres... if it ever turns up....
And this is the whole point. When I picked my car up I was gutted and drove with a degree of caution initially as i'd heard that these Sportmaxxes were dangerous etc. However they perform fine so anyone who picks up their car and has them fitted, don't panic. Will I fit them again when they are worn? Probably not as I'll try something different and like Michelins but MY personal experience on MY mk6 is that they are fine, even good i'd say.
I had this same conversation with TT, if you haven't driven a MK6 to 90% of it's potential with the Dunlops, please don't frighten future owners by saying they are sh!t as it really ruins the whole event of collecting a new car and people then drive with limited confidence. if you have had a bad experience with this tyre on the MK6 then please feel free to share the experience.
^^ Hmmm where do I start :grin: :grin:
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Like I said R32, if you've had a bad experience with Sportmaxxes on a Mk6 GTI then please share. I know you had them on your MK5 and didn't like them but like I said in an earlier post, how do you know Dunlop haven't changed the compound, manufacturing etc to cure whatever earlier issues they had?
My concern is that it really ruins the collection of the vehicle as some people now think they might be a dangerous tyre. Also I think that VW would have stopped speccing them if there really was a serious issue and they certainly wouldn't be speccing them on the R (which press shots show they are).
I aint saying these are the best tyres in the world but they are far from what they have been made out and perfectly good for most drivers in most situations.
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Like I said R32, if you've had a bad experience with Sportmaxxes on a Mk6 GTI then please share. I know you had them on your MK5 and didn't like them but like I said in an earlier post, how do you know Dunlop haven't changed the compound, manufacturing etc to cure whatever earlier issues they had?
My concern is that it really ruins the collection of the vehicle as some people now think they might be a dangerous tyre. Also I think that VW would have stopped speccing them if there really was a serious issue and they certainly wouldn't be speccing them on the R (which press shots show they are).
I aint saying these are the best tyres in the world but they are far from what they have been made out and perfectly good for most drivers in most situations.
the problems with the sportmaxx in the mk6 are the same as you will find on any mk5 that has had them. which is why i have suggested using the search function. Like i clearly said in earlier posts if you are driving normally, then they should be fine, but push on and i think my advice to be cautious would be welcomed by anyone who has experienced the associated problems.
As for them changing their compound or tyre design.... it doesnt matter because both versions are crap.
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R32 you aint listening mate. Is it fair that you are scaring new owners by saying that the tyres are crap?
Yes I know you had problems on your MK5 (as did many other MK5 owners I have read) but I have them, on a revo'd mk6, I drive hard and they are fine so that is real world feedback for anyone picking up their MK6's with Dunlops fitted. My experience contradicts your claim as I definitely 'push on' in my car, probably more than most.
Also mate, how do you know that these tyres haven't been changed by Dunlop? You don't and neither do I but they might have. I respect your experience mate with these tyres on a previous car but I just think you're being a bit unfair on new owners because the 'impression' that has been given on these tyres by many people is that they are substandard and they are not.
Let's leave it that they seem to be no-ones favourite tyre!
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R32 you aint listening mate. Is it fair that you are scaring new owners by saying that the tyres are crap?
Yes I know you had problems on your MK5 (as did many other MK5 owners I have read) but I have them, on a revo'd mk6, I drive hard and they are fine so that is real world feedback for anyone picking up their MK6's with Dunlops fitted. My experience contradicts your claim as I definitely 'push on' in my car, probably more than most.
Also mate, how do you know that these tyres haven't been changed by Dunlop? You don't and neither do I but they might have. I respect your experience mate with these tyres on a previous car but I just think you're being a bit unfair on new owners because the 'impression' that has been given on these tyres by many people is that they are substandard and they are not.
Let's leave it that they seem to be no-ones favourite tyre!
Wouldnt you rather know about an issue that brush it under the carpet?? this is a forum where people share information.... are you suggesting we keep the negative points about the car to ourselves??
Like I said (im not sure of your history of cars) but I have driven 4 different Golf for a period of time and always found the Dunlops to be inferior tyres, which directly affected the way the car handled when pushing on in the dry.
Like yourself, I thought the tyres were ok until I changed them for another brand. Have you tried a MK6 on different tyres?? I suggest you do before passing them off as easily upto the job. No offence of course pal but if you have only had 1 type of tyre on you MK6 then you really dont have any form of comparison. For what its worth I have had the Potenzas and Dunlops on my MK6 and I stand by my original opinion.
certainly not here to scare, just to inform :smiley:
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I have the Dunlops on mine and they are perfectly "OK" but not the tyre I would choose myself. They only came 8/9 in the EVO tyre test which described them as "at the limit, from behind the wheel, it felt poor, scoring low marks on the track, yet on the road route it delivered good steering feel and progression"
I think the EVO comment explains perfectly what both Gossa and R32UK are saying above :grin:
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No ones here to scare R32 and nothing should be swept under the carpet.
Not everyone rates these tyres and I will certainly try something different but like I said on my remapped car, driven enthusiastically they handle fine and I think that's the point for 9/10 drivers, the performance is acceptable.
However I do think that this 'good advice' is scaremongering new owners into thinking they might crash because of a sh!te tyre. This debate has been done to death now so lets just conclude the Dunlops are safe and acceptable to be fitted to a GTI but people would probably prefer different if they had the choice?
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No ones here to scare R32 and nothing should be swept under the carpet.
Not everyone rates these tyres and I will certainly try something different but like I said on my remapped car, driven enthusiastically they handle fine and I think that's the point for 9/10 drivers, the performance is acceptable.
However I do think that this 'good advice' is scaremongering new owners into thinking they might crash because of a sh!te tyre. This debate has been done to death now so lets just conclude the Dunlops are safe and acceptable to be fitted to a GTI but people would probably prefer different if they had the choice?
of course :smiley:
like i said from the beginning they wont be killing anyone, its just better to be cautious rather than come across a brown pants moments. :grin:
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However I do think that this 'good advice' is scaremongering new owners into thinking they might crash because of a sh!te tyre. This debate has been done to death now so lets just conclude the Dunlops are safe and acceptable to be fitted to a GTI but people would probably prefer different if they had the choice?
Of cause you have a choice, people are spending 25k-30k on there cars. Tell your dealer what tyres you want when you order, they can add a note to the order to request Bridgestones or Dunlops. Try both before you buy I did. Bridgestones all the way IMHO anyway.
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Safety is not the issue here as both myself and R32 have said!.When the tire starts to wear, it ruins the ride quality and tire noise in the cabin.This is nothing to do with whether you want more grip when tearing around a corner, or drive like youve been posessed!!!.
I dont track my car, i just like to have a quiet, smooth run in my car without having Dunlops ruin it on smooth road surfaces drowning out your driving enjoyment. :angry:
As tyres are not covered under VW wear policy, its recommended to change these for what gets recommended by ALOT of the mk5/6 community.
I can tell you 1st hand, had both versions of the Sportmax tyre,on 2 of my 3 carnations of GTi's and for the 2nd time, am having to change them due to Cabin Rumble.
Good recomendation from boardlord , spec something else from the factory order. Problem solved and save you parting with £400 for replacements later on.
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So guys, the way i see it, after reading these 5 really informative pages, tyres are a weird subject, theres not so much a "bad" tyre as such, but more of a subject to do with which gives you the most confidence to push it. Anyone against that?
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I say the same thing everyday in my bicycle shop; tyres are like underpants, everyone has their favourites!
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Picked up my GTI today to find it has Continentals on it - what's the view on these?
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Picked up my GTI today to find it has Continentals on it - what's the view on these?
good. I would take them anyday :wink:
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Picked up my GTI today to find it has Continentals on it - what's the view on these?
good. I would take them anyday :wink:
cool :cool: cheers