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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Hulmie on 23 September 2010, 22:30
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been with the R-Tech lads today and seen yet another R-Tech develpment, the 1.8t launch control which i think is the first in the uk without adding extra hardware. basically its an add on to the ecu map and works very well but still being developed even more by nick.
i will get a video of it working tomorrow so keep your eyes peeled
Here is the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ5q5tO7QPc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ5q5tO7QPc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWGUpF18KtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWGUpF18KtY)
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woo hoo cant wait for remap now :grin:
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Yep nick was telling me bout this at the rr day lol sounds mint tbh lol he said summit bout using the asr button
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Any developments for the stone age AGU's?
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Yep nick was telling me bout this at the rr day lol sounds mint tbh lol he said summit bout using the asr button
The ASR button is going to be an extra part of the traction control it will be summat else special...lol The idea behind this is to use all the rpms and power without or very little wheel spin by using the ramp times/acceleration km/h speeds. I am sure the ASR part of the traction control will be a fisrt.
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Any developments for the stone age AGU's?
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Well what can i say..........
when & how much! :laugh:
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Being sad and sitting here at 1am looking to see if we can do launch control of some kind for the AGU, and I have just come up with this > geschwindigkeits abhangige drehzahlquantisierung wandlerschutz
fahrtrichtung.. :grin:
Which looks like and rpm limiter dependent on low speeds, 0.0 to 39.7km/h which are all set to 6920rpm and I think if I set 0km/h to 2.5km/h to a lower rpm limit we can make some sort of launch algorithm depending on how the fuel/ignition cuts off... :smug:
I need a victims car to test it on.. :rolleyes:
Nick
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it dont sound good for the poor agu engine...when i moved from ford ....i saw a turbo golf for sale ,i look on the internet and saw one was 180 bhp standard ...so i thought that what they all where ...trust me to get the slower one ...but at least the engine has less faults and bigger inlet ..shame about the turbo ..good point we can run dump valves :evil:
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All good for us AUM owners then :grin: :evil: il be looking at this :Afro:
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I want, I want, I want!! I'll be paying you a visit again soon nick!
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Cant wait to get my car mapped by these guys...... :grin: :grin:
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Im sure the mad scientist will work something out for the AGU. I will hopefully be down in a few works nick to sort flat spot out, something dodgey going on with my boost. On the way home in 5th gear it only boosted to 18psi and then a massive drop off to 11 psi, foot off throttle and then back on and it holds at 15 psi :undecided:
so whilst sort the issue you could use my agu to do some test.
other than that, those of you with AUM's i have felt and seen the launch control first hand and you will all like it. just make sure you have a strong clutch :grin:
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You lot never heard of clutch control :rolleyes:
Back to Driving School for you lot :tongue: :laugh: :laugh:
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You lot never heard of clutch control :rolleyes:
Back to Driving School for you lot :tongue: :laugh: :laugh:
yeh its called "clutch on or clutch off". BANG WHEEL SPIN, CHEESY GRIN :grin:
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You lot never heard of clutch control :rolleyes:
Back to Driving School for you lot :tongue: :laugh: :laugh:
The launch allows the car to start moving under low load then the full power once a set km/h has been reached (between 1.25 -3.5km/h, and vs doing it with clutch control is night and day... :wink:
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link for the video now on the first post
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link for the video now on the first post
Ha not bad that :cool:
Im going in a 402BHP Scooby tomorrow that also has launch control :evil:
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It looks a bit aggressive mate! :grin:
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The way the car launch's can be set up to how the car wants, anywhere from say 4000rpm upto 7000rpm. Nick is working on getting part power between 1-2k rpm and then onto full power once traction is there.
saves buying any expensive add-on hardware like a wot-box
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Any progress on the other mod?
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So will this be included in the cost of remap or added extra ??
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Is it me or does it just give you lots of wheel spin?
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it does seem like a lot of squealing.. but to be fair last time i drove nicks mk4 i left most of the tyre tread on the a47/a5 roundabout :lipsrsealed:
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it does seem like a lot of squealing.. but to be fair last time i drove nicks mk4 i left most of the tyre tread on the a47/a5 roundabout :lipsrsealed:
LOL thats the norm for me.. :grin: "Anyone know the way to rtech?" "yup the follow the black tyre marks" :rolleyes:
And while your here I am looking for an 032HJ to mod and test... :nerd:
Is seem like a like of squealing but if the launch control was not used the car would just spin on the spot, Its controlled wheel spin,the version map we wrote today has mabe the car even quicker with very little wheel spinning. I will try and get the new vids up tomorrow.
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Cool vids, looks a fun addition! Jesus that car revs high lol
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Can this be added onto a car already mapped by someone else?
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Cool vids, looks a fun addition! Jesus that car revs high lol
yeh i noticed that as well went through the red into the sah by the looks of thing lol
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was revin up to 8k rpm. and it shifted in all gears.
AarinGS - when speakin with Nick im sure he mentioned it can be added to any car and added onto other maps
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Cool vids, looks a fun addition! Jesus that car revs high lol
yeh i noticed that as well went through the red into the sah by the looks of thing lol
yep it revs around past the end of the clock as I drove it last week
he just needs to sort out the limp mode bit though :tongue: :wink: :grin: :grin:
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Jesus I get a bit worried when I get to 6k lol I don't even know how high mine will rev, no point finding out with a ko3 haha.
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is this something similar to the rs focus got , i remembered seeing a few years ago when they compare it with the civic typr r (mk1) and the clio 16v .....
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Cool vids, looks a fun addition! Jesus that car revs high lol
yeh i noticed that as well went through the red into the sah by the looks of thing lol
yep it revs around past the end of the clock as I drove it last week
he just needs to sort out the limp mode bit though :tongue: :wink: :grin: :grin:
lol limp mode fixed, it help when all sensors are plugged in..oops
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Cool vids, looks a fun addition! Jesus that car revs high lol
yeh i noticed that as well went through the red into the sah by the looks of thing lol
yep it revs around past the end of the clock as I drove it last week
he just needs to sort out the limp mode bit though :tongue: :wink: :grin: :grin:
lol limp mode fixed, it help when all sensors are plugged in..oops
I'll bring the Micra back up for a re-match then as it whipped the Golf last week :tongue: :kiss: :laugh: :laugh:
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Yes this can be added to other maps, not remaps where the serial eeprom contents has been changed such are Revo and APR, but most other maps can be patched with this code, or any other code we offer like the left foot brake WOT gear shift ect.. The only code we cannot patch to other remaps is the direct throttle mapping as there might be some conflict with out they have tuned one of the torque maps.
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Yes this can be added to other maps, not remaps where the serial eeprom contents has been changed such are Revo and APR, but most other maps can be patched with this code, or any other code we offer like the left foot brake WOT gear shift ect.. The only code we cannot patch to other remaps is the direct throttle mapping as there might be some conflict with out they have tuned one of the torque maps.
Cheers for the reply and thats really good to see it can be used on other maps. Just a shame I can't get it on mine! i was looking forward to a trip down to you guys!
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get your car rtech mapped..
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Tech, its stage 3+ and has a great map so not sure its worth the expense! It had crossed my mind though.
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sod that if ya stage 3+ mate finish off with racelogic traction control its amazing seen it on a load of cars and its adjustable traction control with launch control facilities :evil: :evil:
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yes that was my other plan (when £££ allows) but I thought this may be a simpler and better alternative!
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yer its defo not cheap..
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Tech, its stage 3+ and has a great map so not sure its worth the expense! It had crossed my mind though.
Have a word with you tuner, the code is easy to implant if he has the correct a2l or damso files for you ecu code.
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Even more refined with full launch to 7000rpm with very little spin on 16" rims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF_Iy_GzdwE
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Any more news on AGU's also anyway of adding traction control to the AGU's?
Reason I ask is when my TB failed I noticed there where two models for the AGU, the more pricey one was still cable based but allowed cruise control, so I imagine only that TB could cope with traction control?
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Tech, its stage 3+ and has a great map so not sure its worth the expense! It had crossed my mind though.
Have a word with you tuner, the code is easy to implant if he has the correct a2l or damso files for you ecu code.
As in I get the files and you can implant the code, or the other way round?
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Tech, its stage 3+ and has a great map so not sure its worth the expense! It had crossed my mind though.
Have a word with you tuner, the code is easy to implant if he has the correct a2l or damso files for you ecu code.
As in I get the files and you can implant the code, or the other way round?
He implants the code, Who tuned you car?
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Awesome did but its APR mapping. I suspect APR have the files. Either way its still possible. I am due a vivist to Awesome anyway so will ask.
Whats the price looking like and how do you actually use this day to day?
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Awesome did but its APR mapping. I suspect APR have the files. Either way its still possible. I am due a vivist to Awesome anyway so will ask.
Whats the price looking like and how do you actually use this day to day?
I doubt it they would add it to the APR code? But its worth asking
Nick
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What about us with the good ol' AGU lump?.... :rolleyes: :wink:
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What about us with the good ol' AGU lump?.... :rolleyes: :wink:
just sorting us AUM's out for now :evil: :tongue: sod AGU's :grin:
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oi matt less of that :grin:
hope somthing like this can be done for the agu it looks like fun :wink:
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dark, where you been, thought you had sold up with you not being about for a while.
yeh matt, us AGU boys with K03s would benefit more due to us being able to get more power than the AUM clan :grin:
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looooooonnng story mate but glad to be back, no havent sold up lol just started the spending again, just brought the audi tt steering rack along with wishbones, subframe, hubs, arb, coilovers and strut brace hoping to fit it all tomoz then going hybrid ko3 :laugh:
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looooooonnng story mate but glad to be back, no havent sold up lol just started the spending again, just brought the audi tt steering rack along with wishbones, subframe, hubs, arb, coilovers and strut brace hoping to fit it all tomoz then going hybrid ko3 :laugh:
Nice one! When your done with the hybrid can you let me know who did or rebuilt a hybrid for you as I am going to go down that route, just looking at which companies people have had a good experience with, put them AUM's to shame! especially when you go past at them at lighspeed and the AUM is being towed by a mk3 because of electrical problems :grin:
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AUM bullying thats not fair.. K03 hybriding costs the best part of £600 its not cheap..
Be good to have the old school boys keeping up tho with us finally :evil: :evil:
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weve been leaving you standing for a long time. :laugh:
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yer yer yer agu this agu that..
AUM FTW ! :grin: :grin:
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i only use turbo centre uk plus only had my ko3s on for about 2k as my old one went pop lol so brought brand new (still got 2.5 year warranty), if you send turbo centre uk your old turbo they will hybrid it for £390 inc VAT and they rate from 250-300bhp
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Thats a bloody good price.. do they give warranty ?? 3 year warranty on your k03s is good.. how much ??
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for a brand new borg warner KKK ko3s it was £558 inc VAT with 3 years warranty
sorry forgot to add 1 year warranty on the hybrids as well
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oh thats pretty good..
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Thats good I have two k03's one on the car and a spare as I thought my seals went :grin: I am expecting that kind of money for a hybrid so it no big fuss for me hopefully looking to get it all done by summer 2011, pricing is better than anticipated, you uprating the injectors? As I got told the standard AGU injectors with 4FBR can cope to 260bhp but I want to seperate facts from myths.
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they will cope but you will be pushing them quite hard better to uprate and run at a lower duty for longivity of the injector.. but they will be fine as a starting point :wink:
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Thanks! Is the FMIC worthwile with the hybrid as when I went to r-tech they was saying uprating the IC hardly has any point on the k03 and "s" spec, but with that power I imagine its more essential.
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yes yes will need it with hybrid..
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yes yes will need it with hybrid..
Thanks again, more shed engineering :grin: :laugh:
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shed engineering is the way forward :)
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its not the injectors that really let you down when going over 230bhp, its the fuel pump. If you want fuel potential from your hybrid then you want the following
walbro 225 inline pump
4 bar fpr
higher flowing injectors
good fmic
you would then be pushing in the high 200's bhp mark with a good map
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and VR6 MAF sensor ??
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you dont need the maf sensor just the 3" housing
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so does the normal gti one fit that housing straight swap ??
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i dont no tbh, i should think so or you can buy aluminuim housing from the US ebay for about £30
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and VR6 MAF sensor ??
Vr6 3inch maf tubing for agu,
T T 3 inch maf tubing for aqu aum,
As the screws are mounted 3+9 on one, and 12 + 6 on other,
Also the sensor hole is bigger on one, think agu/ vr6 is bigger
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oh right wicked cheers.
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seems it fits all http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAF-3-HOUSING-NISSAN-JETTA-GOLF-PASSAT-VR6-AUDI-A4-TT-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cb0b5be0cQQitemZ260662738444QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
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Seems steep for just a tube with a mount welded on.. how much we looking at a second hand OEM one ?? so they are both the same VR6 and TT well that company shows it as..
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your looking about £20-40 for a second hand OEM one
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oh i spose that aint to bad then for a new one
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i have a 3 inch vr6 Maf sat here. You will also need the air box with the hole to suit the 3 inch MAF if you dont run a CAI
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Will it just bolt on then if you have a induction kit ?? Is there any pro's to running this unless your going for big power ??
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Why can't the standard housing be used as it'd not that much smaller?
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Trust me the standard tubes are different, as i brought a vr6 maf for my aqu, and it wouldnt fit the sensor without butchering etc but would fit my daily driver agu maf sensor, and your need a reducer if your running a forge ko3 tip.
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So why do you need a bigger housing for the same sensor if the pipe is going to reduce to a smaller size anyway, either at the TIP or at the turbo inlet? Am I the only one lost and confused?
Surely thats like putting a V8 badge on and then saying actually its a inline-4???
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somthing do with the amount of metered air entring the system so the ecu can get the fuel/air mixture spot on!
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as Dark said, the whole point in running a 3 inch MAF is when you go over the K03s turbo onto K04's, IHI or GT turbo's your aim is to get peak power out of the setup. This starts from getting as much air as possible to the turbo all the way through to getting the exhaust gases out quick as possible.
If you mated a 3 inch MAF onto a standard AGU airbox, the you would be geeting no benefit over the standard AGU MAF as the air box will only be letting through the same amount of air. Where as with a Air box with the bigger outlet for the MAF you would be able to suck through more air, therefore need to have the MAF to meter the air. If stepping up to a K04 turbo then you k03 tip would be no use as it wouldnt fit, so there is no need for a reducer as the k04 tip has 3 inch inlet from what i read.
I have been speaking with R-Tech if i would get any benefits from running a 3 inch MAF on my K03s agu along with bigger injectors and better fuel pump. to get any gains the air intake system before the MAF would need to be changed, custom TIP with 3 inch inlet. This is something i may be looking at down the line as we think there is more power to be had from the k03s turbo
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More updates on the launch control, We have managed to add a high ramp rate traction control during the first few 3 to 4 foot of the launch.
But for now testing is over.. :angry: My clutch with 150k on has just started to slip under load.. :sad: New one to be fitted on Sat then back to playing. Just need to find some old tyres to use aswell, because my brand new Goodyears as looking a bit shoddy now..lol
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Nick, has any other company developed a system like yours? If not, then kudos for breaking the ice :afro:
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nick your the man :cool:
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Nick, did you manage to get anywhere with the Launch Control for the AGU? obviously traction control wont be available to use?
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oi matt less of that :grin:
hope somthing like this can be done for the agu it looks like fun :wink:
Not listening ry lalalalalallalalala :grin: :grin:
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dark, where you been, thought you had sold up with you not being about for a while.
yeh matt, us AGU boys with K03s would benefit more due to us being able to get more power than the AUM clan :grin:
Yeh Paul but you AGU boys have to use our ko3-s turbo tho to manage that :evil: :tongue:
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It's all about the hybrids, the k03s are for little girls :kiss: :grin:
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It's all about the hybrids, the k03s are for little girls :kiss: :grin:
Nick will disagree I think
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AGU FTW :cool:
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AGU FTW :cool:
+100 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: