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Title: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: jaceyboy on 28 March 2021, 17:37
So....seriously thinking of upgrading the wife's car to either a new R or CS, has anyone seen better deals than Drive The Deal at all?
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Post by: fredgroves on 28 March 2021, 17:51
Probably not, but if it's anyone else it's probably coast 2 coast.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: jaceyboy on 28 March 2021, 18:16
Cheers :wink:
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Post by: theminty1 on 28 March 2021, 18:22
I believe if you or family work for the nhs you can get discounts via that way.
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Post by: Guzzle on 28 March 2021, 19:55
You may be able to haggle with Carwow if the DTD dealer is too far away.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: jaceyboy on 28 March 2021, 20:03
Ive tried Carwow they are rubbish :shocked:
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Exonian on 28 March 2021, 22:57
Carwow have gone well off the boil.

Drive the Deal still seem to be best for VW and they seem to get quite reasonable lead times too (probably getting fleet slots rather than hit and miss retail allocation).

Speak to our own evo1986 too, he will always give a no nonsense bit of advice and see what deals he can come up with.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Guzzle on 28 March 2021, 23:20
It's been a while since I used Carwow, but the last time I did, after a bit of pushing I managed to get them to within £300 of DTD. Which I didn't think was too bad at the time, as the dealer was about 200 miles closer to home.

But if they're nowhere near then yeah I wouldn't bother with them.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 30 March 2021, 20:20
Carwow are sh!te these days, Coast2Coast best for BMW, but you rarely beat DTD.

They do source their cars from the fleet side of sales generally, and my last 2 cars bought new (2 Polo GTI+) came from the fleet side of Listers VW Nuneaton. The first was properly through DTD, second time around I went direct to get DTD price and a free set of rubber mats.

I've just negotiated my latest car via them and they apparently gave me it at cost (presuming they have a sales tier market to meet), I can well believe it, as it's £426 under the DTD price.

Nothing as spicy as an R (used to have one),

We've gone electric for 1 car an ID3 204ps Life Pro Performance with Glacier white metallic plus the 18" alloy wheels (steel wheels were standard fit - yuck!). Official performance on par with a GTD, but they're apparently way understated on output/performance.

They've spent nowt on the interior mind, but the tech is good.

If you want to try your luck with them, speak to Anthony Rayner at Nuneaton branch, the guy I dealt with. Listers are a big group and have plenty of stock to allocate between the branches.

It was a bit confusing chasing numbers with him because he quoted "cost price" about £1300 more than DTD price and £1200 more than the price I'd seen on Autotrader. I told him the other prices included the £1750 deposit contribution and he finally twigged that his didn't. Once he took that into account, he was £426 under DTD and £492 under the autotrader price.

He grabbed me a general stock one yesterday that's built and sat at Emden.

If you're definitely going for a new car I'd chase tomorrow, early in the day to get the order sorted - there's a new pricelist due out on 1st April, and prices never go down or stay the same...
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Guzzle on 30 March 2021, 20:44
So which one is going? The Polo or the A4?
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Post by: Exonian on 30 March 2021, 20:54
Congrats MH. An interesting choice and at least it’s not bloody DSG!  :whistle:
It’ll be interesting to read your real world experiences with it.
These leccy cars are way under quoted on power, I've seen numerous vids of Electric Minis knocking 1 sec plus off 0 - 60 times repeatedly back to back. The instant torque is real world useful. 
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fredgroves on 30 March 2021, 20:58
Yeah I'd like to hear what you think of it MH because all you've got out there are crap paid for reviews and people on kickbacks. I've not seen anyone offer an honest appraisal of it yet.

I was tempted this time... But as usual the timings were all wrong. I suspect my next car will be electric. Whether it's a Voltswagen (yes not a typo... That's their new name!) remains to be seen. Vw aren't exactly on my Christmas card list this week.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 30 March 2021, 21:09
So which one is going? The Polo or the A4?

The A4. The wife won't drive it, it's too big, so it's getting very little use as I'm only going into the office once a week or fortnight to file the documentation I'm generating and a few miles to the beach with the dog and kids - so on that mileage the DPF is regenning half the time and the mpg is sh!te as a result.

The ID3 is like a tardis - size of a Golf externally, legroom of a Passat as the bonnet is tiny (motor and drive is at tge back, RWD) and tge wheels are far into the corners.

It's well equipped on the tech side, even in base "Life" spec, it's a pity the door cards and seats are on a par with a base model Polo, but I don't stroke the plastics and tge seats are apparently comfy (no viewings or test drives, bought blind.

£34250 RRP, minus £2500 grant, minus £1750 deposit contribution (taking the finance to get that then clearing within 14 days) and actual discount take me to £27416 - didn't think I'd see those kinds of savings on an EV.

The 263 mile range is more like a realistic 240 miles in Summer and about 190 miles in Winter (heating up the battery in Winter takes its toll. On Octopus GO you're taking less than 1.5p a mile in Summer.

If you're not charging at home though, you save nowt ends up being 10-12p a mile at those rapid chargers at service stations.

Just wondering for how long the Government will give the EVs a free ride before we all get charged road tolls everywhere via ANPR.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 30 March 2021, 21:32
Congrats MH. An interesting choice and at least it’s not bloody DSG!  :whistle:
It’ll be interesting to read your real world experiences with it.
These leccy cars are way under quoted on power, I've seen numerous vids of Electric Minis knocking 1 sec plus off 0 - 60 times repeatedly back to back. The instant torque is real world useful.

I'm expecting it sometime in April. It's sat in Emden but I don't know how long for. The A4's going to the "car buyer group" tomorrow (best price), so down to one car  until the ID3 arrives. The missus will drive it to work (I think going between that and the Polo will confuse her - either she'll forget to put the handbrake on in the Polo or she'll apply Polo levels of throttle and expectations of Polo response in the ID3 at a roundabout and plough into someone.   :laugh:

There's a YouTube reviewer of performance cars reviewing the ID3 and points to an RS7 in the lot and claims the ID3 will beat it 0-30. Will have to try that out!
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Guzzle on 30 March 2021, 21:33
Hopefully you don't suffer the same gremlins people on here have suffered with their Mk8's.

Am tempted though to check out the Cupra (or SEAT) Born. Although looking at the ID3 interior it'd be interesting to see what more they could do to cheapen it further.  :undecided:
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 30 March 2021, 21:41
Hopefully you don't suffer the same gremlins people on here have suffered with their Mk8's.

Am tempted though to check out the Cupra (or SEAT) Born. Although looking at the ID3 interior it'd be interesting to see what more they could do to cheapen it further.  :undecided:

Was wondering the same myself. The only way to save money in the cabin is to remove equipment IMO.

VW and Audi need to be careful - there's a fair number of people that'll pick an Audi/VW over a Honda/Hyundai on the strength of interior plushness. They need to maintain that gap.

The ID3 has had its fair share of software gremlins on the launch models, but apparently sorted with v2.1 and my car should arrive with that installed.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 30 March 2021, 21:49
Yeah I'd like to hear what you think of it MH because all you've got out there are crap paid for reviews and people on kickbacks. I've not seen anyone offer an honest appraisal of it yet.

I was tempted this time... But as usual the timings were all wrong. I suspect my next car will be electric. Whether it's a Voltswagen (yes not a typo... That's their new name!) remains to be seen. Vw aren't exactly on my Christmas card list this week.

What've VW done to your car to be off your Christmas list? Software issues?
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fredgroves on 30 March 2021, 21:56
Software issues (that they don't seem to have any intention of fixing in a coherent way), random spec changes and a Dsg box i increasingly find infuriating. Amongst other things
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 30 March 2021, 22:01
Software issues (that they don't seem to have any intention of fixing in a coherent way), random spec changes and a Dsg box i increasingly find infuriating. Amongst other things

What's the DSG box doing that it shouldn't? The 7 speed DSG in the A4 seemed to take an eternity to pick up 1st from a standstill, my biggest gripe with it. The Polo GTI's 6 speed is much more responsive - one set up for performance and one set up for comfort I suspect.
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Post by: fredgroves on 30 March 2021, 22:08
Well... Two modes, one has the intent of reaching seventh in under two seconds, the other one wants to just hold a gear no matter what the throttle position is.

Oh and the S mode wants to rev match with every down shift, which always seems to be exactly when you wouldn't want a jerky gear change... Mid apex.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Snoopy on 31 March 2021, 07:38
£34250 RRP, minus £2500 grant, minus £1750 deposit contribution (taking the finance to get that then clearing within 14 days) and actual discount take me to £27416 - didn't think I'd see those kinds of savings on an EV.
  Interesting, quite a saving on the electric ID3 then  :smiley:

I do for some odd reason really want the ID Buzz bus, but that will be tripple the price though  :grin:
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Exonian on 31 March 2021, 13:19
The ID Buzz looks so cool.
As you say, it’ll be very expensive and in hot demand by the trendies but I reckon it’ll be the first iconic electric vehicle from VW so possibly not a bad place to put your ££££££
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Yusee on 31 March 2021, 13:29
The ID Buzz looks so cool.
As you say, it’ll be very expensive and in hot demand by the trendies but I reckon it’ll be the first iconic electric vehicle from VW so possibly not a bad place to put your ££££££

Don’t see myself as a trendy- far from it- but I’ll buy one of these when the Alhambra gives up. Just what I’m looking for to replace the dirty diesel MPV. If seat or someone do a cheaper, less fashionable EV MPV then that would be right up my street.. and onto my driveway.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fredgroves on 31 March 2021, 13:49
The Buzz does look very exciting - I'm not sure why they are taking so long to get it out - it has to be a killer concept.

On the other hand, looking at the prices of the California at the moment.... this thing is going to be 60k+ and I'm not entirely sure that the idea of a nomad vehicle isn't better suited to ICE than electric.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 01 April 2021, 14:15
Ive tried Carwow they are rubbish :shocked:

Did you get sorted with an order? VWs new price lists are out today and although I haven't checked for Golf, the ID3 went up £800 for new orders on or after today so I'm assuming the Golf will have had a hike too.
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Post by: Ado on 02 April 2021, 10:56
Another shout out for listers, did a cracking deal on an ID3 in Dec.

So which one is going? The Polo or the A4?

The A4. The wife won't drive it, it's too big, so it's getting very little use as I'm only going into the office once a week or fortnight to file the documentation I'm generating and a few miles to the beach with the dog and kids - so on that mileage the DPF is regenning half the time and the mpg is sh!te as a result.

The ID3 is like a tardis - size of a Golf externally, legroom of a Passat as the bonnet is tiny (motor and drive is at tge back, RWD) and tge wheels are far into the corners.

It's well equipped on the tech side, even in base "Life" spec, it's a pity the door cards and seats are on a par with a base model Polo, but I don't stroke the plastics and tge seats are apparently comfy (no viewings or test drives, bought blind.

£34250 RRP, minus £2500 grant, minus £1750 deposit contribution (taking the finance to get that then clearing within 14 days) and actual discount take me to £27416 - didn't think I'd see those kinds of savings on an EV.

The 263 mile range is more like a realistic 240 miles in Summer and about 190 miles in Winter (heating up the battery in Winter takes its toll. On Octopus GO you're taking less than 1.5p a mile in Summer.

If you're not charging at home though, you save nowt ends up being 10-12p a mile at those rapid chargers at service stations.

Just wondering for how long the Government will give the EVs a free ride before we all get charged road tolls everywhere via ANPR.

I'm getting 190miles in the coldest of winter without heat pump, no idea what it does in the warmer weather because it's been sat at VW for 3 weeks.

Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 02 April 2021, 13:33
^Software update to 2.1 failure?
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Post by: Ado on 02 April 2021, 14:50
Indeed, just means the TCR is actually being used.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Exonian on 02 April 2021, 23:14
Indeed, just means the TCR is actually being used.
What is the ID.3 like to drive compared to the TCR?
Obviously flat out the TCR has more firepower but in daily driving is there a very noticeable performance gulf?
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Ado on 02 April 2021, 23:32
ID3 is much smoother and quicker off the line, instant torque with single gear and rwd means I can’t help but just floor it. I think the ID3 is quicker to 40/50 then the TCR is gone but the ID3 is definitely much better for normal use. Handling wise the TCR wins, you can fee the mass of the ID3 and doesn’t inspire as much confidence but have only driven it in winter.

Overall I think the TCR feels more special especially the interior but the ID3 costs about 10x less in fuel/electric so it usually wins my brain over (also that it pre warms so it’s nice and toasty in winter lol).
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Post by: Exonian on 02 April 2021, 23:45
Thanks for that Ado :afro:
Being as the current ID.3s are non sporty models it sounds very positive.
A 4wd version with appropriate sport trim would probably be a winner going from your feedback.

The interior pre-conditioning is something that really appeals to me about EV’s as I work shifts so a warm interior at 4:30am in the depths of winter sounds heavenly!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 03 April 2021, 09:26
Ado: Your slight lack of confidence in the Winter...Do you have Bridgestone tyres per chance?

My incoming ID3 is on 18" East Derry wheels (couldn't bear to be on steel wheels, too tight to pay £1200+ for 19s or 20s). Apparently it's pretty likely that all wheel sizes have Bridgestones according to the EV forums. My opinion of Bridgestones is rock bottom, as Fred will know well! I usually swap them out at the first opportunity, but I'm guessing these ID3 tyres sizes are pretty niche and will be relatively expensive as a result. I'll be hoping for  Goodyear on mine.
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Post by: fredgroves on 03 April 2021, 09:57
This is some of the best ev discussion I've seen... Mainly because I trust the opinions of my fellow golf owners more than anyone else. We share a common starting point for comparison.

It's very clear to me that I'm on a countdown to ev, quite which one is the only thing I've not decided.

The usable speed thing is something that has crossed my mind in the last few weeks. Sure, i can give it some welly but sixty comes around really quick and I feel like there is a lot of unused performance that sits there blowing raspberries at me. It's funny, the gtd never felt like that.

The one thing that still bothers me about ev is the lack of confidence i have in just deciding to drive anywhere, right now. Not sure if I would feel limited by that. Obviously right now is a different situation to where I hope we'll be soon, with travelling becoming allowed soon.
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Post by: monkeyhanger on 03 April 2021, 10:59
This is some of the best ev discussion I've seen... Mainly because I trust the opinions of my fellow golf owners more than anyone else. We share a common starting point for comparison.

It's very clear to me that I'm on a countdown to ev, quite which one is the only thing I've not decided.

The usable speed thing is something that has crossed my mind in the last few weeks. Sure, i can give it some welly but sixty comes around really quick and I feel like there is a lot of unused performance that sits there blowing raspberries at me. It's funny, the gtd never felt like that.

The one thing that still bothers me about ev is the lack of confidence i have in just deciding to drive anywhere, right now. Not sure if I would feel limited by that. Obviously right now is a different situation to where I hope we'll be soon, with travelling becoming allowed soon.

For the longer journeys we'll still have the Polo GTI+, which will probably become a 3k miles a year ornament. I'm in half a mind to get it sold and buy a banger for my 1 day a week commute.

As a primary car, a 220 mile realistic range EV will cover 90% of most people's driving, it's that other 10%.that's the issue - imagine going on a touring holiday of Europe - what a PITA that would be.

I think it's going to be an interesting experience with the ID3 with very usable initial acceleration and I'm assuming that mid range acceleration will be on a par with the GTD.
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Post by: Guzzle on 03 April 2021, 11:34
Would be interested to hear which is more fun;-

An everyday EV with no real sporting pretence

Or

A small sporty ICE car, such as a Polo GTi

 :wink:
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Post by: fredgroves on 03 April 2021, 11:40
Yes it's the confidence in the public charging infrastructure that's the issue, particularly for me if I ever get moving again.

I'm not sure if they will ever actually solve it for some time though.

At the moment the charging standards still keep changing despite the number of charging points increasing. It will be a while before existing low power charging points are upgraded to something faster I'd imagine and some of the juicier ones need more than just a pole change, they need supply connections being radically altered. It's not easy or cheap.

I was reading about the new kia ev6 and it's 800v power system. Capable of really quickly extending the charge... But where will you find those on the route to Provence?  Not for a decade if ever.

Until the oem's finally agree on a standard its going to be like this.
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Post by: fredgroves on 03 April 2021, 11:44
Would be interested to hear which is more fun;-

An everyday EV with no real sporting pretence

Or

A small sporty ICE car, such as a Polo GTi

 :wink:

I'm still unsure what fun means with a car.

I think fun is probably only found in something designed as a toy. The everyday cars are not fun really.

I don't think even a clubby is actually any more fun than an id3 to be honest.

Fun would be an elise or an original mini Cooper S or a R1.
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Post by: Guzzle on 03 April 2021, 11:55
Well yes, probably nothing mentioned so far would be more outright fun than something like an Ariel Atom, but at the end of the day you also have to be able to live with it. That's when the fun can stop.
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Post by: Yusee on 03 April 2021, 12:07
Would be interested to hear which is more fun;-

An everyday EV with no real sporting pretence

Or

A small sporty ICE car, such as a Polo GTi

 :wink:

I think fun is probably only found in something designed as a toy. The everyday cars are not fun really.


Wholeheartedly disagree. And I think this is exactly the design brief for a hot hatch- everyday transport that’s enjoyable to drive.
Two problems with EVs in this respect is 1. Power doesn’t build and 2. They make no noise.
Both issues limit their use as “ fun” cars.
Thirdly they’re heavy, though I expect that will improve
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Post by: mcmaddy on 03 April 2021, 16:08
Ado: Your slight lack of confidence in the Winter...Do you have Bridgestone tyres per chance?

My incoming ID3 is on 18" East Derry wheels (couldn't bear to be on steel wheels, too tight to pay £1200+ for 19s or 20s). Apparently it's pretty likely that all wheel sizes have Bridgestones according to the EV forums. My opinion of Bridgestones is rock bottom, as Fred will know well! I usually swap them out at the first opportunity, but I'm guessing these ID3 tyres sizes are pretty niche and will be relatively expensive as a result. I'll be hoping for  Goodyear on mine.
they don't appear to use S001s any more and the brand new Bridgestone Sport tyre is supposedly better than Michelin, Conti and Goodyear. Tyrereviews will have a comparison video soon.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fredgroves on 03 April 2021, 16:41
The mk8 uses bs s005's
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Post by: monkeyhanger on 03 April 2021, 17:38
Ado: Your slight lack of confidence in the Winter...Do you have Bridgestone tyres per chance?

My incoming ID3 is on 18" East Derry wheels (couldn't bear to be on steel wheels, too tight to pay £1200+ for 19s or 20s). Apparently it's pretty likely that all wheel sizes have Bridgestones according to the EV forums. My opinion of Bridgestones is rock bottom, as Fred will know well! I usually swap them out at the first opportunity, but I'm guessing these ID3 tyres sizes are pretty niche and will be relatively expensive as a result. I'll be hoping for  Goodyear on mine.
they don't appear to use S001s any more and the brand new Bridgestone Sport tyre is supposedly better than Michelin, Conti and Goodyear. Tyrereviews will have a comparison video soon.

Chris,

I don't think they'll be Potenzas on the ID3, the tyre size is 215/55 R18, 19s come on 215/50 R19 and 20s come on 215/45 R20 - no low profiles, if it is Bridgestones, more likely to be Turanza T005 Touring tyres than anything sporty. I can confirm that Turanzas are crap (the Polo GTIs came on them).

There's ID3s coming through on Bridgestones, Conti 6 and Goodyears, but mainly Bridgestones.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Aidey on 03 April 2021, 17:56

For the longer journeys we'll still have the Polo GTI+, which will probably become a 3k miles a year ornament. I'm in half a mind to get it sold and buy a banger for my 1 day a week commute.


Would you consider the Up gti instead of a banger?
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Post by: Kenis on 03 April 2021, 19:05
Next gen evs with solid state batteries will be with us in next 5-10 years and will be much better than even the current Tesla / ID3/4 etc. Which is why my next car will still be an ICE. Link below re vw, Toyota also doing the same

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/quantumscape-building-electric-car-battery-that-charges-to-80percent-in-15-minutes.html

The discussion about usable power and everyday fun, plus fact likely to be last ICE and peak GTI is currently what’s putting me in two minds between a manual gti 245 or a CS - if I get the gti will i always feel like I should have got the CS despite the extra cost.... my 200bhp mk6 gti never let me down but the pull of the CS is there

Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fredgroves on 03 April 2021, 19:22
I still say that the my22 onwards cars with speedy restriction will change a lot of opinions about what is the best choice...
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Exonian on 03 April 2021, 22:55

Wholeheartedly disagree. And I think this is exactly the design brief for a hot hatch- everyday transport that’s enjoyable to drive.
Two problems with EVs in this respect is 1. Power doesn’t build and 2. They make no noise.
Both issues limit their use as “ fun” cars.
Thirdly they’re heavy, though I expect that will improve

Those are pretty much my thoughts too.
An EV has a nice low centre of gravity and the wheels can be pushed right out to the corners.
With modular chassis’ it’s easily possible to make hot hatch versions of regular EVs same as with ICE cars, but there’s also always the possibility of making lower coupe versions with the improved aerodynamics of lower rooflines and smaller frontal areas to keep a modicum of range offsetting the greater power potential (the high power theoretically sapping range if using a smaller lighter battery).


The lack of noise wouldn’t bother me, in fact I quite like the idea of having something different noise wise being emitted in keeping with the futuristic power plants.
The instant power of EVs would make for great hot hatches so long as you don’t want 150mph capability. I’d happily swap ultimate top speed for acceleration out of bends.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 04 April 2021, 09:47
It seems that it wouldn't take much to make a hot ID3, just slap a bigger motor in (or an induction motor in on the front axle, and to hell with the range, but how hot is hot?

The 204PS Pro Performance seems to be on a par with a GTD, despite being about 400kg heavier.

To get an electric equivalent of an R, batteries definitely need to get smaller, lighter and cheaper, to get more in on a single car...and they will.

There's lots of new tech being touted (smaller, more energy dense battery cells that don't use rare earth metals, smaller motors that don't need permanent magnet), but most of that tech is at least 6 years away from going into commercial production from University invention.

Hopefully, by 2030 we'll see 350ps 4WD EVs that weigh 1400kg and have a realistic range of 400 miles for your £35-40k. The VW ID3/4 motor is already small enough to fit in a sports bag and weighs 90kg.

Still not sure how the Government is going to claw back all that money back lost to EVs in lieu of petrol/diesel VAT and duty. You could:-

1. Scrap that duty and VAT, and treat fuels like red diesel is currently and make everyone pay through the nose on toll roads.

2. Keep ICE cars filling and paying as normal, and make EVs pay per mile with ANPR/Black box.

The trouble is, you need to get everyone to want an EV, and right now the financials only make sense if you can charge at home (ideally on an EV specific 5p/kWh overnight tariff) and save big vs the pumps.

That's fine for those of us with off street parking, but for those that can't, they'll be paying diesel prices per mile on a 40-50p per kWh rapid charger- you'll end paying more than current ICE prices if you have tolls to pay for on top.
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Post by: fredgroves on 04 April 2021, 10:00
I think they have already decided on how to tackle the tax issue. The only question mark is when to introduce it.

They are going to scrap fuel duty and use mileage based tax using some sort of electronic data. It's partly why the crack down on number plate fonts has just happened.

The only questions are :

1) is the tracking mechanism a black box or cameras. Black boxes are more accurate but have massive privacy issues.

2) do electric vehicles pay the same rate as ice ones? If its about pollution control then not but its probably more about tax revenue, especially right now.

3) if you are now recording actual road travel, will there be differences between rural areas and urban ones. Rural dwellers do more miles than city dwellers and you now have the ability to offer them a break.

One thing is absolutely clear, the days of eV being a cheaper motoring option are coming to an end. They will definitely end up as expensive if not more so than the days of ice.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 04 April 2021, 10:57

One thing is absolutely clear, the days of eV being a cheaper motoring option are coming to an end. They will definitely end up as expensive if not more so than the days of ice.

That's why I'm giving it a go now. Seems to be the sweet spot of :

1. EVs starting to come down to ICE pricing with better access to decent discounts. Any fuelling savings were being eaten up by paying more vs the ICE equivalent in the first place.

2. Access to cheap fuelling if you can park on your own property.

3. No VED. It doesn't take an exceptional car to attract the luxury VED with the inflated RRPs.

It's going to be a 2 tier ownership for cars for the foreseeable unless we get a nationalised infrastructure of plentiful and cheap EV charging.

When they do bring pay per mile driving in, those living in a flat aren't going to give up ICE cars to be stung for high charging prices and then pay per mile on top.

Taxation is definitely about revenue masquerading as environmental concerns. Once everyone is "clean" driving and we have virtually free clean electricity with our windfarm network (according to Boris' vision), there's a huge tax hole to be filled.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Yusee on 04 April 2021, 11:13
but how hot is hot?


It won’t need much more pace but it will need to shed a lot of weight to be a credible driver’s car. 1725 kg- that’s SUV mass.
And as these cars become increasingly autonomous, I have no idea where the thrills will come from.
It’ll be like Alton Towers on the road.

Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 04 April 2021, 12:02
but how hot is hot?


It won’t need much more pace but it will need to shed a lot of weight to be a credible driver’s car. 1725 kg- that’s SUV mass.
And as these cars become increasingly autonomous, I have no idea where the thrills will come from.
It’ll be like Alton Towers on the road.

I think all cars are getting that way, ICE or EV.

There's not a lot of thrills to be had in hot hatches, especially in the Golf segment - that's the price of refinement and being far quicker than they feel.- 2 to 4 seconds of in gear acceleration and you're in license losing territory. DSG or EV and high levels of driver assistance mean it's all point and shoot "playstation" driving. I found my MK7 Rquite dull below 5k revs with your foot to the floor. 300ps and no drama at all when you use it.

I don't want a car to kill me, but I want it to feel like it could if I do something stupid. I suppose it's all part of ego and feeling there's some level of accomplishment in driving skillfully...that's all gone in recent cars.
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Post by: Ado on 04 April 2021, 13:11
Thanks for that Ado :afro:
Being as the current ID.3s are non sporty models it sounds very positive.
A 4wd version with appropriate sport trim would probably be a winner going from your feedback.

The interior pre-conditioning is something that really appeals to me about EV’s as I work shifts so a warm interior at 4:30am in the depths of winter sounds heavenly!  :smiley:

I think with battery tech improving we will see EVs getting lighter with range remaining at 250-300 miles, hopefully it means more agility. Even with both the TCR and ID3 on Bridgestone the TCR still seems to give more feedback but the ID3 feels more balanced, not that it makes a big difference in 90% of daily driving.

I’ve been driving the TCR more these few days and it just feels more special, however the OD3 definitely is so much nicer for city driving with such linear power delivery and no bogging down. I also had to fill up the TCR (last time was Jan), it just seems like such a chore having to plan my route to a petrol station after work  when I just wanted to go home.

Overall I would use the TCR for longer trips such as the weekend but for commutes the ID3 is the winner, if I had to sell one though the the ID3 will be staying as much as I love the TCR it’s just too compromised for day to day use.

I realise there will be more charges as times goes on but ultimately our aim to to reduce on our car usage so i guess it would probably balance out.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Ado on 04 April 2021, 13:15
but how hot is hot?


It won’t need much more pace but it will need to shed a lot of weight to be a credible driver’s car. 1725 kg- that’s SUV mass.
And as these cars become increasingly autonomous, I have no idea where the thrills will come from.
It’ll be like Alton Towers on the road.

I think all cars are getting that way, ICE or EV.

There's not a lot of thrills to be had in hot hatches, especially in the Golf segment - that's the price of refinement and being far quicker than they feel.- 2 to 4 seconds of in gear acceleration and you're in license losing territory. DSG or EV and high levels of driver assistance mean it's all point and shoot "playstation" driving. I found my MK7 Rquite dull below 5k revs with your foot to the floor. 300ps and no drama at all when you use it.

I don't want a car to kill me, but I want it to feel like it could if I do something stupid. I suppose it's all part of ego and feeling there's some level of accomplishment in driving skillfully...that's all gone in recent cars.

I agree with you, the only time I get a thrill from driving is on track (which I seem to have fallen out of love with). It’s simply not possible to use the performance of a golf on the road without entering the license loading territory.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Watts on 04 April 2021, 17:01
the TCR it’s just too compromised for day to day use.

Hi Ado, would you mind elaborating on that please? I'm not being argumentative, I'm genuinely interested as to how a simple car like a Golf can't be a great daily driver, I thought that was what they were for. Mine is but then I've never had an EV so no frame of reference. Cheers :smiley:
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Post by: mcmaddy on 04 April 2021, 18:09
TCR is a perfect daily driver, not entirely sure how it can't be 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 04 April 2021, 18:27
the TCR it’s just too compromised for day to day use.

Hi Ado, would you mind elaborating on that please? I'm not being argumentative, I'm genuinely interested as to how a simple car like a Golf can't be a great daily driver, I thought that was what they were for. Mine is but then I've never had an EV so no frame of reference. Cheers :smiley:

I'm guessing Ado meant you can't drive it to anywhere near it's potential without losing your license.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Rudedog on 04 April 2021, 19:45
To me the Golf still is very usable ca for daily use where ever I go.... EVs are big! even the ID3 is quite a bit wider than a Golf, and don't get me started on some of the massive Tesla's which are almost Range Rover size, parking spaces haven't changed and the number of EVs I've seen that can just squeeze into a space with both wheels are on the white lines confirms I won't be changing any time soon.

Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fredgroves on 04 April 2021, 20:35
I guess most eV's are big because the battery packs need to be big and people buying expensive cars want to have a massive thing.

Hopefully eventually something other than an electric block of flats on wheels will come along...
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Ado on 05 April 2021, 13:26
the TCR it’s just too compromised for day to day use.

Hi Ado, would you mind elaborating on that please? I'm not being argumentative, I'm genuinely interested as to how a simple car like a Golf can't be a great daily driver, I thought that was what they were for. Mine is but then I've never had an EV so no frame of reference. Cheers :smiley:

Maybe compromised is the wrong choice of word, compared to the T Cross 1.0 the TCR is the perfect all rounder since it has space and power. I guess the TCR isn’t compromised, but compared to the ID3 which accelerates so smoothly with no wheel spin and it automatically regens depending on road layout and traffic ahead. I guess what I really mean is the ID3 takes the “driving” out of driving which is really just perfect for commuting and like Monkeyhangar says the golf really only excels when in the upper ranges.

I will still take the TCR when visiting in laws in France but for me electric is the way forward unless it’s a special car.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: mcmaddy on 06 April 2021, 07:31
The Golf R only really excels in the upper ranges because it's so boring to drive  :whistle:
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 16 April 2021, 22:35
Have fun getting your charging points fitted people...

We got one fitted today for our forthcoming VW ID3 (stuck at Emden 5 weeks now) and it was a disaster. The fitters put in my Ohme charging point, then tested the earthing points, and there the issues started.

Earth resistance reading is too high, so we had to call out Northern Electric. Guy comes checks the meter end, it's solid, so there must be a weakness in the connection from the street's supply - they'll have to dig up the path in the street to sort it (happening Monday apparently).

Meter guy has also checked the earthing strap at the gas meter and discovered a small gas leak at the meter. So gas board come out, cap off the supply and my utilities supplier (Octopus) send out someone to fit a new meter (he's fitting it now), but he has informed me he's not a gas safe engineer so won't uncap the supply after fitting the meter. I need a gas safe engineer to give my boiler and hob the once over before uncapping the supply...at my expense. FFS.

The future is electric... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fredgroves on 16 April 2021, 22:47
Electric, it's cheaper lol
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 17 April 2021, 10:58
Electric, it's cheaper lol

GTC (what was Transco) have said that meter guy should have turned back on so they're going to do it later today (FOC).
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Snoopy on 17 April 2021, 16:06
Oh not good. But atleast you know about the gas leak.
You seem to be having the same luck i do,  Hope you have it all sorted out soon.
Ive being reseaching chargers as im building a new garage. The front runner for me is the zappi charger as its easiest to have installed after research. The ohme seems abit more of a faff to install after watching this install. https://youtu.be/wCsTxj9aSLc
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 17 April 2021, 16:33
Oh not good. But atleast you know about the gas leak.
Ive being reseaching chargers as im building a new garage. The front runner for me is the zappi charger as its easiest to have installed after research. The ohme seems abit more of a faff to install after watching this install.
https://youtu.be/wCsTxj9aSLc
You seem to be having the same luck i do,  Hope you have it all sorted out soon.

Ohme looked technically the best/smartest. If you go Matt-E device instead of earthing rod, supposedly easier. Podpoint needs no Matt-E or earthing rod, but is still supposedly a bit buggy on the software for scheduled smart charging.

That install looks pretty straightforward, the guy just had to pick a box doing the broadly same job as the Matt-E that matched the consumer unit. My meter is external and our garage was converted, with the consumer unit not on the opposite side of an outside wall, so installation would've been messy had they not been able to only tie in to the meter. They put the Matt-E unit in the meter box,keeping everything tidy.

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Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 20 April 2021, 21:06
So...I had my test drive in an ID3 today, and I was let out on my own with it for 20 mins.

First impressions with the seats - comfortable but the cloth on my chosen model isn't really to my tastes - I guess I'm too used to sports seats in greys and GTI/GTD tartan. I'd pay extra for Sports seats, but while I'm sat in them,I can't see them. The airplane fold up/down skinny arm rests are a bit crap. Maybe I'd need time to get used to them, but never really been a user of arm rests in other cars, except the A4's which was large and highly adjustable.

The dash plastics are hard by the windscreen (which you'd have to stretch to touch), and softer where they're accessible. The door cards are softer than the Polo's but harder than a MK7 Golf's. Not really liking the piano black door grab handles purely for reasons of practicability in avoiding fingerprints and microscratches. The haptic switches have a click to them if you press them hard enough, didn't really have time to mess with them for functionality/ease of use.

The interior size is weirdly huge. You know this is the size of a Golf (2cm wider, 1cm shorter), but 17cm taller (that's the battery pack you're sat on), so maybe think of it as a slightly short Golf Plus on the outside. On the inside it is hugely spacious- it's like being in my Cousin's Q5.

Onto the drive...I press the start button on the steering column where a manual key would go - silly place! You have to fumble for it because you can't see it -
 should've placed it on view in the lower dash.

Button pressed...I forget that there's no engine noise, there's no tone to indicate everything's ready to go. I turned it off and back on again to be sure it was on (it was). I cautiously tickle the throttle as I'm half expecting some serious sensitivity and don't want to plough into the car opposite. Thankfully it crawls if you just tickle it. I get out of the car park and the silence is weird, like I'm on one of those electric trams in Amsterdam.

I get out on the open road (A19 sliproad), getting past the crawler in front of me and boot it. There's quite a pull but zero drama, the acceleration is very linear. I drove it normally between 70 and 80mph once I got there. It's still smooth and eerily quiet, a smaller whisper of wind noise. I came off the A19 a few junctions up and have a drive around the country roads near Seghill. I was able to stop and boot it from a standstill 3 times - consistently quick off the line with zero drame and linear all the way to 80.

So it's competent, pretty quick in a very usable.way, but a bit dull. This is probably the way with affordable EVs - until the batteries get light and cheap, you'll need to be spending £50k+ to get something genuinely sporty and desirable.

Definitely not a car that excites - will make a good car for the kids with plenty of interior room and rear legroom.
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Post by: fredgroves on 20 April 2021, 21:36
Thanks for that. I never got a chance to test drive it, i only sat in it.

I quite liked it actually.

I didn't expect it to be drama like a petrol turbo or an electric rocket from spacex.

One day when all the crap dies down i must have a drive though.

I think at the moment I'd go for either a mach e or a polestar 2.
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Post by: Snoopy on 20 April 2021, 21:44
Thanks for the review and info.
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Post by: monkeyhanger on 21 April 2021, 06:47
Thanks for that. I never got a chance to test drive it, i only sat in it.

I quite liked it actually.

I didn't expect it to be drama like a petrol turbo or an electric rocket from spacex.

One day when all the crap dies down i must have a drive though.

I think at the moment I'd go for either a mach e or a polestar 2.

I think that unless there's some significant discounting going on (which isn't happening much with EVs in general but seems to be happening with VW if you time it right - must be desperate to meet those fleet CO2 targets), I'll not be in a "fast" EV for a while (circa 5s 0-62mph).

The Mach-E and Polestar 2 will be out of my desired price range if a £40-45k car is going for that much because the discounts are sparse. Overnight all those £35k+ EVs were effectively £3k more expensive on 18th March with the removal of the grant above that threshold.  As a cash buyer now, I'm looking to lose no more than £8-10k over 3 years for each of the 2 cars we have, I think I'm past the days of spending £400-500 a month on a single car since the missus learned to drive and I've got to support 2 cars now.

I think we'll have 3-5 years of cheapish low/mid range EV motoring while grant access is still available and the Government haven't introduced a pay per mile Road tax...then we'll all have our pockets picked again whether we're EV or ICE.
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Post by: Exonian on 21 April 2021, 10:10
Nice little review MH. It’ll be interesting to see how it fares in daily use.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: chas.s on 25 April 2021, 12:51
Hi All,
I see that the best deals for a new Golf from a main dealer are by taking their finance (PCP?), when they will make a contribution, which isn't given on a 'cash' deal.
Having never gone this route before and not wanting to miss the deal, can someone answer the following please:

Having taken out the finance & received their contribution, is it possible to cancel and settle the outstanding amount in cash and how soon after can I do that?

How do I do it & how much interest would I pay?

Thank you in advance for any advice, as this is totally alien to me. Cheers, Chas.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Guzzle on 25 April 2021, 13:15
You can withdraw from the finance without penalty in the first 14 days after taking delivery. You will be charged daily interest until you pay off the balance. Make sure you have adequate funds available immediately as you cannot re-enter the finance agreement. 

You can settle the finance at any point after then, but there is an extra months worth if interest charged on top if you go beyond the first 14 days.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: SRGTD on 25 April 2021, 13:20
I did it with my current car.

You need to notify VWFS that you wish to exercise your right to withdraw from the PCP contract within 14 days of the start date. You’re effectively exercising your rights under consumer legislation to change your mind within the 14 day cooling off period. I phoned them and they gave me the settlement figure including interest due, and sent me a letter confirming the settlement amount and the methods of payment they’ll accept. You have 30 days to settle in full from the date you notify them you want to exercise your right of withdrawal.

I notified VWFS three days after collecting my car and paid a total of £6.21 Interest (£2.07 per day).

VW will write to you to confirm they no longer have any financial interest in the vehicle once they have processed the withdrawal request and payment has been received and cleared. In my case, I received their letter around a month after transferring the settlement amount to them.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: chas.s on 25 April 2021, 13:25
I did it with my current car.

You need to notify VWFS that you wish to exercise your right to withdraw from the PCP contract within 14 days of the start date. You’re effectively exercising your rights under consumer legislation to change your mind within the 14 day cooling off period. I phoned them and they gave me the settlement figure including interest due, and sent me a letter confirming the settlement amount and the methods of payment they’ll accept. You have 30 days to settle in full from the date you notify them you want to exercise your right of withdrawal.

I notified VWFS three days after collecting my car and paid a total of £6.21 Interest (£2.07 per day).




VW will write to you to confirm they no longer have any financial interest in the vehicle once they have processed the withdrawal request and payment has been received and cleared. In my case, I received their letter around a month after transferring the settlement amount to them.

Thanks Guzzle & SRGTD, very informative. Sounds quite straight forward, when you know how!
I presume you still get the dealers contribution i.e. they don't then add it to the outstanding amount?
Cheers, Chas
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: SRGTD on 25 April 2021, 13:28
I did it with my current car.

You need to notify VWFS that you wish to exercise your right to withdraw from the PCP contract within 14 days of the start date. You’re effectively exercising your rights under consumer legislation to change your mind within the 14 day cooling off period. I phoned them and they gave me the settlement figure including interest due, and sent me a letter confirming the settlement amount and the methods of payment they’ll accept. You have 30 days to settle in full from the date you notify them you want to exercise your right of withdrawal.

I notified VWFS three days after collecting my car and paid a total of £6.21 Interest (£2.07 per day).




VW will write to you to confirm they no longer have any financial interest in the vehicle once they have processed the withdrawal request and payment has been received and cleared. In my case, I received their letter around a month after transferring the settlement amount to them.

Thanks Guzzle & SRGTD, very informative. Sounds quite straight forward, when you know how!
I presume you still get the dealers contribution i.e. they don't then add it to the outstanding amount?
Cheers, Chas

The deposit contribution is from VWFS rather than the dealer. And yes, you get to keep it.

Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: chas.s on 25 April 2021, 13:33
I did it with my current car.

You need to notify VWFS that you wish to exercise your right to withdraw from the PCP contract within 14 days of the start date. You’re effectively exercising your rights under consumer legislation to change your mind within the 14 day cooling off period. I phoned them and they gave me the settlement figure including interest due, and sent me a letter confirming the settlement amount and the methods of payment they’ll accept. You have 30 days to settle in full from the date you notify them you want to exercise your right of withdrawal.

I notified VWFS three days after collecting my car and paid a total of £6.21 Interest (£2.07 per day).




VW will write to you to confirm they no longer have any financial interest in the vehicle once they have processed the withdrawal request and payment has been received and cleared. In my case, I received their letter around a month after transferring the settlement amount to them.

Thanks Guzzle & SRGTD, very informative. Sounds quite straight forward, when you know how!
I presume you still get the dealers contribution i.e. they don't then add it to the outstanding amount?
Cheers, Chas

The deposit contribution is from VWFS rather than the dealer. And yes, you get to keep it.

Thanks once again SRGTD. Thats solved one of my dilemmas.
Now do I go for a new Clubsport or a nearly new 7.5 TCR!!!!!!????
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: jaceyboy on 25 April 2021, 15:19
This is the route im going down if I buy a new R or CS
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Kenis on 25 April 2021, 23:36
I’m doing the same - cancelling within first 14 days (assuming I have the cash at the time, which I hope to). I also ordered via DTD so total saving incl the £1,250 deposit contribution quite large.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: ash_rage on 06 May 2021, 22:36
Anyone else find the practises of DTD odd and unnerving?

Someone reassure me that you had the exact same as below and got the car you wanted at the end of it and not someone calling you saying there is a a pigeon in your bank account.

Ordered a CS45, well at least I think its ordered as I have no paperwork, all I can see is a credit check on my credit file.

I've handed over card details. All my personal details without a single receipt or written confirmation. DTD ask for your card details but reassures you they don't get involved in payment. They shouldn't be asking for the card details then.

I said to the guy at DTD and the dealer today I have no paperwork yet both just said "DTD has been going for years, its safe" and "the dealer doesn't put anything in writing at this stage"

I have to admit until the dealer called me today I was thinking I better cancel my card as I've been done over. The price was great but What made it worse when my local dealer said its impossible to sell a CS45 at that price lol

Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: HA54SYM` on 07 May 2021, 06:51
I wouldn't worry about DTD mate as a hell of a lot buy from them.

I'm doing the same with the finance contribution on my new R, managed to get my local dealer to match the DTD quote also which equates to some 11% off too, but its the first time I have gone PCP and then paid off so will see how it works out.

I think a lot of dealers are aware of the broker prices and can if pushed get close or match them, depends how much they want the business I would guess. I also looked at some BMW 1 series before the R and some local dealers didn't even bother coming back to me after I pulled out a coast2coast quote out for them to match.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 07 May 2021, 07:30
Anyone else find the practises of DTD odd and unnerving?

Someone reassure me that you had the exact same as below and got the car you wanted at the end of it and not someone calling you saying there is a a pigeon in your bank account.

Ordered a CS45, well at least I think its ordered as I have no paperwork, all I can see is a credit check on my credit file.

I've handed over card details. All my personal details without a single receipt or written confirmation. DTD ask for your card details but reassures you they don't get involved in payment. They shouldn't be asking for the card details then.

I said to the guy at DTD and the dealer today I have no paperwork yet both just said "DTD has been going for years, its safe" and "the dealer doesn't put anything in writing at this stage"

I have to admit until the dealer called me today I was thinking I better cancel my card as I've been done over. The price was great but What made it worse when my local dealer said its impossible to sell a CS45 at that price lol

Presumably you've been put in touch with the DTD nominated supplying dealership by now. They should be asking for a deposit from you and then placing your order, and providing that order number within a few days. I've used DTD on 3 occasions and all has been fine. For the last 2 cars I've gone to Listers Group directly. I'm picking up an ID3 tomorrow that Listers beat the DTD price on by about £450.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fredgroves on 07 May 2021, 09:05
Does DTD only have one VW dealer.... the one south of London?
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 07 May 2021, 09:19
Does DTD only have one VW dealer.... the one south of London?

Perhaps now, but last time I used them in 2018, I was put in touch with Fleet sales of Listers Nuneaton, and have ordered 2 more cars from Listers directly, beating the DTD price, with our other Polo GTI+ (2019 - still have that one),and the incoming ID3 that they beat the DTD price by £450!

If anyone is after the guy I dealt with at Listers this time around then drop me a pm.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: joet on 07 May 2021, 09:36
Does DTD only have one VW dealer.... the one south of London?
I ordered mine in January thorough DTD and my dealer was in Kent. Funnily enough it was the same dealer/salesman that sold me my Mk7 back in 2013, again, via DTD.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Kenis on 07 May 2021, 11:09
I ordered through dtd for first time on Friday 16th April and by the following Friday had been contacted by dtd to run through the spec, then by the dealer (gillingham in Kent about an hour from me) who confirmed it all again (and pointed out the road tax quoted by dtd was wrong which I was expecting), then I got paperwork to sign form them (for gdpr and finance so can get the deposit contribution) then a confirmation letter after deposit taken and an order number (which after pfaffing can see in my vw U.K. as at stage 2)

Only other direct / near direct experience I have is my father ordered a mercedes through them in 2019 but while waiting for build etc merc changed something (withdrew that specific variant for U.K. I think) and he had a choice to start all over agin with a new build date or pick a car already being built to avoid further delay, which he did. I think that was all through that dealer, and it was a fleet one as well.

It didn’t really occur to me - stupid I realise now - to just use the dtd price to haggle with my local dealer (since they would not have to pay a fee to dtd so may still have agreed) or try listers fleet as suggested here.

Apart from all these build week concerns on the vw end it was a lot less hassle than previous dealer interactions I’ve had using dtd. I looked at carwow but wasn’t getting anywhere near the discount
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: monkeyhanger on 07 May 2021, 11:16
For VWs at least, Carwow don't seem competitive at at all. I usually get 5 or 6 quotes, most for £200-500 less than list and maybe 1 or 2 within £800 of DTD.

You've got a better chance of a deal with the larger groups that have access to larger volume discounts, but even then, some branches take one look at the DTD price and laugh.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: ash_rage on 07 May 2021, 11:58
I ordered through dtd for first time on Friday 16th April and by the following Friday had been contacted by dtd to run through the spec, then by the dealer (gillingham in Kent about an hour from me) who confirmed it all again (and pointed out the road tax quoted by dtd was wrong which I was expecting), then I got paperwork to sign form them (for gdpr and finance so can get the deposit contribution) then a confirmation letter after deposit taken and an order number (which after pfaffing can see in my vw U.K. as at stage 2)

Only other direct / near direct experience I have is my father ordered a mercedes through them in 2019 but while waiting for build etc merc changed something (withdrew that specific variant for U.K. I think) and he had a choice to start all over agin with a new build date or pick a car already being built to avoid further delay, which he did. I think that was all through that dealer, and it was a fleet one as well.

It didn’t really occur to me - stupid I realise now - to just use the dtd price to haggle with my local dealer (since they would not have to pay a fee to dtd so may still have agreed) or try listers fleet as suggested here.

Apart from all these build week concerns on the vw end it was a lot less hassle than previous dealer interactions I’ve had using dtd. I looked at carwow but wasn’t getting anywhere near the discount

That's the dealer I have via DTD. What lead time did they fell you. I assume. It was a CS45.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: joet on 07 May 2021, 12:19
That's the same dealer I used in Gillingham.
I was quoted 20 weeks max for a Clubsport.
In the end it turned out to be 12 weeks from ordering to collection. I was happy with that.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Kenis on 07 May 2021, 12:22
Same, ~20 weeks for a CS, but until there’s an actual build week scheduled I assumed that was just speculation
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fuster on 07 May 2021, 15:27
JCB Medway in Kent via DTD for me. Was told to go direct to them next time round and bypass DTD. 

Great comms from the dealer as well. Would use again.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Brenbo on 07 May 2021, 20:34
I have just managed to get an approx £5000 discount from a local dealer on my order for a MK8 Golf R, with the following configuration:  Lapiz Blue, Performance Pack, Winter Pack, Discover Nav Pro, Harmon Kardon Sound System, Side Air Bags, DCC, Heads Up Display, Rear View Camera, Extended Service Plan and Paint Protection. 

Delivery will be around October/November all going well.  I know its still over the £40K price, but you only live once.   :wink:

As a side note I found Coast 2 Coast gave better deals than DTD  and Car Wow. But as a side note 'Evo1986' is also a bit of a legend and gave me a quote which was really tempting. 
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Post by: monkeyhanger on 07 May 2021, 22:03
I'd forget about the paint protection supplied by the dealer and put it towards a proper application with a detailer rather than Supagard/Lifeshine etc.
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Post by: ash_rage on 07 May 2021, 22:23
I'd forget about the paint protection supplied by the dealer and put it towards a proper application with a detailer rather than Supagard/Lifeshine etc.

Don't waste your money on that rubbish.

I always do the same.

Kamikaze - zipang/miyabi/zipang in that order
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fredgroves on 07 May 2021, 22:36
NavPro?

You really ordered NavPro?

Could have saved yourself sixteen hundred quid just there....

I'm not just dissing it because I don't think it's worth it, it literally gives you bugger all.

The mk7 ones i had at least gave you a bigger screen, now it doesn't and costs twice as much as it used to!
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Post by: Exonian on 08 May 2021, 05:31
I know its still over the £40K price  :wink:


Don’t you mean £50k?  :shocked:  :laugh: (as far as list goes = RFL)

Still, when you’re throwing that much at the car a few hundred a year extra tax pales into insignificance.
Great spec Brendan, shame Oryx still isn’t available for you just yet. Maybe before the spec is locked for production they’ll have opened up a good few more colours.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Brenbo on 08 May 2021, 06:39
I tried different configs early on in looking for discount and thought wasn't much more with nav pro so thought bugger it tick the box seeing as over £40K anyway even if not get much more for the money as discount is covering it and will hold on to car a good few years.

List price without discount would have been just around £46K to £47ish.  But have saved all cash and waited 5 years for new car. So why not have a big blow out on frivolous options if get big discount.

Would have been good to have Oryx White, but quite like Lapiz Blue as well.  Will hopefully be able to let you have a nose around it this time exonian pandemic permitting. 
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Post by: monkeyhanger on 08 May 2021, 08:27
If your car is being built to spec and build week isn't locked in, i'd get shot of the paint protection and the NavPro. That £1600 NavPro is probably costing you £1400 after discount and the paint protection £350/400. There's plenty of time to knock them off your order.
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Post by: jaceyboy on 08 May 2021, 09:45
Yep tax is based on list price so Lapiz Blue makes it over anyway which is bloody annoying
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: fredgroves on 08 May 2021, 10:03
I tried different configs early on in looking for discount and thought wasn't much more with nav pro so thought bugger it tick the box seeing as over £40K anyway even if not get much more for the money as discount is covering it and will hold on to car a good few years.

But its literally giving you nothing you use, other than "maps on two screens at once".... 1600 quid (even if you've got an amazing discount to say 1100 quid)...

VW really have screwed that option up even more than they did on the Mk7/7.5 when they gave all Mk8's the big display screen regardless of whether you have Pro or not.

Sure you've chucked some money at your spec and its your money but I'd honestly say take that option off and pick something else... literally anything else or keep the cash for some mods afterwards - maybe a roof wrap or something.
Title: Re: Best Golf R or CS Discounts
Post by: Exonian on 08 May 2021, 11:47
I tried different configs early on in looking for discount and thought wasn't much more with nav pro so thought bugger it tick the box seeing as over £40K anyway even if not get much more for the money as discount is covering it and will hold on to car a good few years.

List price without discount would have been just around £46K to £47ish.  But have saved all cash and waited 5 years for new car. So why not have a big blow out on frivolous options if get big discount.

Would have been good to have Oryx White, but quite like Lapiz Blue as well.  Will hopefully be able to let you have a nose around it this time exonian pandemic permitting.

Once you cross that psychological barrier £40k threshold and accept you’re paying an extra £325 (?) a year then you might as well just spec the car as far as you wish to go, especially if you’re going to hang onto it.

When I had my Ed40 I’d always planned the next move to be a well specced R and accepted I’d be fleeced for the pleasure. Unfortunately the mk8 got delayed and delayed and life took a different turn or three so a different path was taken.
As we move more and more towards electrification an ICE swan-song or two won’t go amiss!

It’s painful paying it in one go but it’s only £6.25 a week after all  :whistle:
Paying cash means the upfront discount more than makes up for the car tax.