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Title: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: boneybradley on 24 February 2008, 19:41
Right as i'm lazy and dont properly clean the car very often..I have the following question
I currently use meg's 3 stage products and then use a paint sealer on top of this (some made by carplan i believe) .. I am now noticing the paint has started to go dull and was wondering if claying and using a better wax will restore the clean shiney look.
I have looked at some products and would also like to know in sonus green clay better than meg's and wether using collinite as listed on another thread will give superior results to meg gold class or nx.
I get some good discount on megs products (and thats why i use them now) and wonder if the other products worth more cash!!
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Rhyso on 24 February 2008, 19:44
get the Sonus Green Clay and use the Megs Quik Detailer.

you can continue to use the Megs wax but if you want durability i'd go for Collinte 915; got it on my car and its awesome; well worth the £20 for a pot

Clay
Polish
Seal
Wax

Job done :afro:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: boneybradley on 24 February 2008, 19:50
do you seal before wax?? and the 3 stage megs wax has being stated as pooro i am willing to give others a go and will search the net for the collinite
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Rhyso on 24 February 2008, 19:55
yeah you seal before waxing

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=66113.0

and here's where to find the Collinite :afro:
http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=186
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dinky on 24 February 2008, 21:44
Ive just spent £50+ on four things, all reccomended by you guys..so I hope they are good!
I don't think I've ever spent that much on cleaning stuff for the car before in one go.. :grin:

Dinx :kiss:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: boneybradley on 24 February 2008, 21:49
Ive just spent £50+ on four things, all reccomended by you guys..so I hope they are good!
I don't think I've ever spent that much on cleaning stuff for the car before in one go.. :grin:

Dinx :kiss:

i know i have now just bought.... collinite 915 £18 delivered!! sonus clay £8 delivered!! quick detailer for the clay £8 delivered!! and cloths and pads etc £18 plus delivery £6 is £58... on polish... its bread and water for the rest of the week for me!
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dinky on 25 February 2008, 18:35
ahaha...i went for collinite, have thought about it for a while tbh..needed a new mitt, sealant and a big drying towel...
I want some sno-foam too!!!!

Dinx :kiss:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: boneybradley on 25 February 2008, 19:44
whats sno-foam??..... I've just got into using 2 buckets!! and don't tell me my autoglym cheap stuff is crap for washing??
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Guy on 25 February 2008, 19:59
your auto glym cheap stuff is crap for washing!!  :grin:

hope you're using a mitt btw?

bilt hambler auto wash is the muttz nutz... you only need 5ml per wash!

as for megs and clays etc... megs clay breaks up and I prefer sonus green

the collinite 915 is a great wax...  but i found it produced a much nicer result when I used the collinite 845 sealant first

http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=26&products_id=113 (http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=26&products_id=113)

collinite is quite hardwearing too... the jetseal 109 really is good even though it is all the rage at the moment.. combine that with the chemical guys 50/50 wax and you get
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2253904968_0c58a36f92.jpg)

and snow foam... is an attachment if you have a pressure washer which you can use to cover your car in luvvely suds!  :laugh:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2155498149_ecb9f72969.jpg)

Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dinky on 25 February 2008, 20:04
^yup...thats what i wanna do!!
I thought the actual "suds" were called sno-foam?
I only want to make it look white..
would it be ok on the mohair?

Dinx :kiss:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Guy on 25 February 2008, 20:31
yep you are right Di but you also need a snow foam gun...

you can get both in this deal... I would have them but I don't have a hose!  :cry:

http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=34&products_id=188 (http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=34&products_id=188)

good question on the mohair... I would hesitate a guess at yes... do you use normal car shampoop on it?

why not do paintwork with snow foam and a specialist soft top cleaner like renovo?

http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/index.php?manufacturers_id=28 (http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/index.php?manufacturers_id=28)
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dinky on 25 February 2008, 20:38
yeah well i have a gun.. :grin:

Ok...so which is for a mohair then?

Currently just using the autoglym stuff on the roof...

Dinx :kiss:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Guy on 25 February 2008, 21:37
yeah well i have a gun.. :grin:

Ok...so which is for a mohair then?

Currently just using the autoglym stuff on the roof...

Dinx :kiss:

erm... dunno... best you ask Alex or Alexandra at Elite... they will be able to tell you?!

Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Cornish Pixie on 26 February 2008, 15:38
yeah well i have a gun.. :grin:

Ok...so which is for a mohair then?

Currently just using the autoglym stuff on the roof...

Dinx :kiss:

Hi
I would stay away from snow foam on Mohair because most snow foams have an element of TFR (traffic film remover) in them. TFR could over time start to bleach or fade the colour out of your hood.

Don't forget when using snow foam it gives best results if left to dwell on the car for 10-15 minutes.

I would use Snow foam on the lower half and if the hood needs a clean from time to time a regular ph neutral shampoo or branded product made for cleaning the hood.   
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Guy on 26 February 2008, 18:34
knew you'd have the answer Mark... well I was half right?!  :undecided:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dinky on 26 February 2008, 19:53
yeah well i have a gun.. :grin:

Ok...so which is for a mohair then?

Currently just using the autoglym stuff on the roof...

Dinx :kiss:

Hi
I would stay away from snow foam on Mohair because most snow foams have an element of TFR (traffic film remover) in them. TFR could over time start to bleach or fade the colour out of your hood.

Don't forget when using snow foam it gives best results if left to dwell on the car for 10-15 minutes.

I would use Snow foam on the lower half and if the hood needs a clean from time to time a regular ph neutral shampoo or branded product made for cleaning the hood.  
cheers darl...pleased to have it confirmed.. :smiley:
I just wanted it look as good as all the others...suppose ill have to buy a tin top.. :tongue:

Dinx :kiss:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Guy on 26 February 2008, 23:21
why? yours looks lovely  :cool:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dinky on 26 February 2008, 23:44
no..i meant like covered in the sno stuff...that just looks cool!

But ty for your compliment hunny.. :kiss:

Dinx :kiss:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Guy on 26 February 2008, 23:46
well i don't have a snow foam gun... yet!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Cornish Pixie on 27 February 2008, 11:13
knew you'd have the answer Mark... well I was half right?!  :undecided:

I think you were completely right - simply saying ask at Elite is better than a wild guess :smiley:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: boneybradley on 01 March 2008, 14:59
well i clayed and polished and sealed and then waxed.... here some results!

first thing today it was like this
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4223.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4224.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4225.jpg)

after washing and claying the paint starts to look better and smoother
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4238.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4239.jpg)

and then she got poished,sealed and then waxed with collinite to give results like this
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4242.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4241.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4243.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4250.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4248.jpg)

oh and i refitted the original badged grill...

Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dinky on 01 March 2008, 15:06
Oh you make me feel bad...I just cant be @rsed to do mine as not very well but now you make me wanna go do it.. :sad:
anyone want to volunteer? I make excellent food and will supply tea or beer..  :laugh:

Dinx :kiss:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: kells on 01 March 2008, 15:07
Looks a hell of alot better, especially with the grill... good stuff  :wink: :cool:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Guy on 01 March 2008, 15:25
:afro: super job boney  :cool: :cool: :cool:

bet you're pleased with the results... looks sooo much better and the 50/50 shots are just ace - can really see the dfinition in the reflections

money well spent i'd say?

Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: RiCHiE360 on 01 March 2008, 18:23
Nice work bradders.. Great minds think alike  :cool:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: boneybradley on 03 March 2008, 19:29
After spending saturday making the outside look good...I spent an hour cleaning under the bonnet after seeing what kells has done to his! just need to paint the rocker cover and clean some other bits (like the bonnet catch etc)
After buying the new wax I thought I would put my meguires stage 1 cleaner and stage 3 wax to good use and used this on the metal parts and then autoglym bumpered the plastics...I like the results :cool: even the underside of the bonnet shines now!
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4251.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/nataliyas/DSCN4252.jpg)

and Di no excuses for not sorting yours now!  :smug:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Cornish Pixie on 04 March 2008, 15:57
Oh you make me feel bad...I just cant be @rsed to do mine as not very well but now you make me wanna go do it.. :sad:
anyone want to volunteer? I make excellent food and will supply tea or beer..  :laugh:

Dinx :kiss:

Di
If you weren't so far away I would offer to do it for you - Wiltshire to the North East, just a little to far even for me!
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dinky on 04 March 2008, 23:17
yes thanks Bradley... :rolleyes:

awww...Thanks darl, but I really do need to get my finger out and get started on it..
including all the maintenance bits before shes on the road..

Looking good thou Bradley :afro:

Dinx :kiss:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dubbz on 09 April 2008, 20:12
Microfibre Cloths Quantity 3 cloths        £3.98

Sonus Der Wunder Drying Towel, Pkg/2  £16.95

Eurow 100% Sheepskin Wash Mitt with Interior Rubber Glove  £6.79

Poorboy's Super Slick & Suds Concentrated Car Wash - 32oz  £11.95

Collinite #915 Marque D'Elegance Detailing Kit  £24.95

Sonus Green Ultra Fine Detailing Clay - Quantity 1 bar  £6.99

Autoglym Super Resin Polish - 500ml  £9.99

2 buckets...

Is there anything on there i DONT need? i.e like a mortgage!!  :sick:
It will be to clean Black Magic  :cool:

 
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Guy on 09 April 2008, 21:40
yep... drop the extra microfibre cloths... you will get those in the collinite kit

you can drop the AG super resin polish as you are claying and then waxing... AG super resin polish is also very harsh and can cause swirls

you can change the poorboys super slick suds to bilt hambler - best shampoop i have used so far!

http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=421 (http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=421)
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Cornish Pixie on 10 April 2008, 08:30
yep... drop the extra microfibre cloths... you will get those in the collinite kit

you can drop the AG super resin polish as you are claying and then waxing... AG super resin polish is also very harsh and can cause swirls

you can change the poorboys super slick suds to bilt hambler - best shampoop i have used so far!

http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=421 (http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=421)

Some sort of polish would be a good idea as the wax layer is simply there to protect the polished surface and in some cases enhance the finish achieved through polishing. Wax on its own after clay will produce a better finish than the car has at present although if you miss the polishing stage you might be disappointed in the results. SRP wouldn't be my choice but many people use it with good results - just don't get any on your plastic trim :cry:

If your clay bar doesn't come with lube you will need to buy some.

Mark   
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Guy on 10 April 2008, 11:06

If your clay bar doesn't come with lube you will need to buy some.

Mark   

how could I forget the lube!!!  :grin:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dubbz on 10 April 2008, 15:42

If your clay bar doesn't come with lube you will need to buy some.

Mark   

how could I forget the lube!!!  :grin:
http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=319
 :wink: lol what kinda lube?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Guy on 10 April 2008, 17:01
you just need something called detailing spray to lubricate the 'clay' as you won't be able to move it over your paintwork otherwise...

http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/index.php?cPath=68&page=1 (http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/index.php?cPath=68&page=1)

personally I would use a cheap megs quick detailer such as this http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=68&products_id=36 (http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=68&products_id=36) when i am claying as you will end up using a lot of the bottle... some people dilute the spray 50/50 with water (although I don't do this and IF i did I would use filtered water)





Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Cornish Pixie on 11 April 2008, 10:35
You can cut down on the amount of lube used by claying the car after it has been washed and before it is dried. i.e. with the rinse water still on it. This method also helps to cut down on the potential for marring the paint.

A mix of good quality shampoo and water in a spray bottle can also be used as lube - just make sure their is enough shampoo in the mix to provide lubrication.
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Dubbz on 11 April 2008, 11:38
yep... drop the extra microfibre cloths... you will get those in the collinite kit

you can drop the AG super resin polish as you are claying and then waxing... AG super resin polish is also very harsh and can cause swirls

you can change the poorboys super slick suds to bilt hambler - best shampoop i have used so far!

http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=421 (http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=421)



Some sort of polish would be a good idea as the wax layer is simply there to protect the polished surface and in some cases enhance the finish achieved through polishing. Wax on its own after clay will produce a better finish than the car has at present although if you miss the polishing stage you might be disappointed in the results. SRP wouldn't be my choice but many people use it with good results - just don't get any on your plastic trim :cry:

If your clay bar doesn't come with lube you will need to buy some.

Mark   

Ok cheers for the help with this.  :smiley:

This is what i've just ordered  :laugh:

Autowash x 1
Eurow 100% Sheepskin Wash Mitt with Interior Rubber Glove  x 1
Eurow X Large Waffle Weave Microfibre Drying Towel - 26" x 36" x 1
Collinite #915 Marque D'Elegance Detailing Kit  x 1
Sonus Green Ultra Fine Detailing Clay x 1

Didn't know which polish and sealant to go for, i looked at the jetseal109 and collinite sealant kit, But money getting tight  :rolleyes: thought i'd try this:

Klasse All In One Polish & Sealant 300ml  :tongue:

total in pounds  :shocked: £67.16  :smug:
Title: Re: claying/polishing... whats better to use and is it worth it?
Post by: Cornish Pixie on 11 April 2008, 17:27
Klasse make some very good products which were very much the in thing about 12-18 months ago - You'll be fine with your choice.