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Title: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: richandhazel on 23 September 2010, 15:48
I thought I would write this guide to show how to remove the door card and window regulator plate with the door locked closed. It is possible and without breaking any clips :wink: Obviously you wouldn't want the door closed by choice but in my case the door wouldn't unlock electrically or mechanically.

First of all......open the window as far down as it will go.

Remove the appropriate seat base to aid access to the two screws at the bottom of the door and the door card itself. The screws are T20 torx so the forward one can be removed with an ordinary torx screwdriver such as this:-

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The rear one is more awkward as the raised section of the floor of the car that the seat sits on is in the way. I couldn't get the screwdriver in so I had to improvise. I tried a T20 bit in a bit holder:-

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But the wall of the bit holder was too thick so I found a piece of 1/4" diameter tubing and pushed the bit into it:-

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Its very difficult to see where you need to orientate the bit to get it into the head of the screw so I put a piece of masking tape on the door and using a torch and mirror made a mark where the screw head is:-

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Using a pair of pliers on the tube I was able to remove the screw

The next step is to remove the handle cap. Its held on with 3 clips and you have to pry it off, I used a plastic scraper to prevent damage:-

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Using a No. 3 screwdriver bit remove the two screws in the handle.
The card is now simply held by the clips so starting at the bottom pulling the card towards you and work upwards. Here are some pictures of the back of the card so that you can see what you are trying to disengage, two black clips at the forward edge and three at the rear:-

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With all the clips disengaged you need to move the card upwards to remove it from the window trim. I found it easier to work from the back and work forwards.....note the brilliant sticker in the background :tongue::-

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Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with door locked shut
Post by: richandhazel on 23 September 2010, 20:34
Once the card is released from the door trim you have two electrical connections and one cable to disconnect. Speaker and electric window switch are straight forward but it helps if you know how the connectors are locked:-

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Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with door locked shut
Post by: richandhazel on 23 September 2010, 20:38
Same for the inside door handle cable, it helps to see how it is locked in place:-

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Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with door locked shut
Post by: richandhazel on 23 September 2010, 20:45
Ok, so the door card is now off and we can see the plate behind it:-

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All around the periphery you can see the 10mm bolts that hold the plate in place but before you go there, we need to remove the window from the regulator. Hopefully you opened the window to start with:-

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If not, all is not lost. Reconnect the switch , even easier if you remove it from the card, and operate the window.
Remove the bung that is just to the left of the speaker, exposing the plastic bushes that connect the window to the regulator:-

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Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: richandhazel on 23 September 2010, 21:05
Find a long bolt that is approximately 4/5mm dia thread. I had one that was 8mm AF. Screw it into the inner bush at least 5mm and pull the inner bush out:-

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Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: richandhazel on 23 September 2010, 21:07
Now to remove the outer bush I simply used a pair of mole grips and a nail :shocked:

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The window will now be disconnected from the regulator so put your hands either side of the window and slide it back up the weather seals/guide until it is closed. I found the weather seals held the glass in place safely. Now, my door is locked closed and the lock module is attached to the plate so I had to disconnect the 3 lugs holding a plastic guide that is attached to the module. Here they are circled in red:-

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And a little closer:-

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Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: richandhazel on 23 September 2010, 21:28
Punch the middle out of each rivet:-

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Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: richandhazel on 23 September 2010, 21:35
Push the lugs through to release the plastic guide;-

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You're now ready to remove all of the 10mm bolts and guide the plate forward from the rod and cable having released the grommets from the plate. There is a seal strip that sticks the plate to the door and there are two lugs each side that you need to clear by pulling the plate towards you. They protrude around 10mm.
You'll also need to drop the plate downwards to clear the window guide.
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: richandhazel on 23 September 2010, 21:37
It may help to see the back of the plate:-

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And, this is what you are left with:-

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Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: richandhazel on 23 September 2010, 21:42
One thing to add, concerning reassembly. Before you refit the plate make sure you put the bushes back into the window:-

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The bushes then relocate into the carrier by pushing the window down into the carrier......it will click into place :wink:

Hope this helps someone............as for the lock module and opening the door, now there is another story/guide :shocked: I did get the door open and fix the module, so, if you want another guide let me know. I took photo's and am willing to publish another guide if there is a requirement :undecided:
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: Rhyso on 24 September 2010, 09:37
Top guide :afro:
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: richandhazel on 24 September 2010, 12:04
Thanks, hope it helps someone :smiley:
 
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: School-runner on 24 February 2011, 22:10
Hi Rich,  thanks for the guide really useful as I have the same problem. I'm struggling to disconnect the wiring plug from the latch end and this guide doesn't show how to. also i'm very interested to read more about how to actually open the door as I'm not v confident about this either.

Do you know exactly which wires to conect to unlock these doors, or which bit to hit even?
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: dubboy on 21 April 2011, 22:04
hi i had the same problem with my rear door and i used your guide to get the door card off and then used a long flat head screw driver and a big hammer to smash the lock apart untill it gave up and opened (done is with out damaging the door it self) top guide mate thanks
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: lozzie on 21 December 2011, 19:08
thank u so much,got that far,now need the rest of it to unlock door,many thanks
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: howsitgoing on 01 April 2012, 19:36
Hi

excellent post, my mk4 rear passenger door hasn't opened now for about 8 months but my MOT is up soon so need to get this repaired, is there another guide for the next step of getting the door open with a goosed lock?
My symptoms are both inner & outer handles have normal feel & resistance , the inner handle lifts the snib, the central locking activates in all doors apart from the goosed door,  the last operation performed on the door before it broke was the door pin was manually pushed down & the door has never opened since, i can also hear movement in the door latch when i try open the door
any help please

cheers
baz
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: Golf_GT_TDI on 10 April 2012, 21:28
I had mine done at VW Shrewsbury in February, total cost with the new lock unit/motor = £266.17 inc VAT
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: glenn1971 on 30 April 2012, 12:19
Hi ,

Did you ever put any info together for the door lock removal and replacement?

I've got the same problem with the door locked in a closed position !

Cheers,

Glenn
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: sleepytom on 05 August 2012, 22:40
Hello Rich,

this is a great guide so far - have the same problem driver's side rear door can't be opened. From the outside it feels locked (no resistance) and from the inside it feels deadlocked (when the lever is pulled the door knob moves upward but great resistance and pops back down). I followed your guide and got everything off but am wondering if you would be so kind to share how you proceeded from then on.

I would be much obliged. This is a great site.

Thank you very much. Regards, Tom.

Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: bangash on 25 August 2013, 14:32
thank you very much for all this article but now i m stuck as to how to take out the lock mechanism....s there a way to release the lock or u have to break it...if u have to break which part to aim for
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: skcollob_ho on 17 October 2013, 17:59
For anyone wondering how to go about removing the rear door module, here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahEu2UgFi0Q&list=PLrbHoqGceWKRkdwM1vFvTfHyC8PPEGBRe&index=4


Can the OP please confirm how he actually got the door to open once the outer & inner skins were removed? Was it a simple 'pull the release wire'?

Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: Gman8valve on 17 May 2014, 07:09
Nice one.

I am in the exact same situation and awaiting you post on how to get the door open

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: taj on 03 December 2014, 21:19
I know this is old, however I only came across it. I have got to the point of removing the door card and the metal plate but now how do you open the door ?

All the vids I have seen remove the lock fine, but thats with the door opened. Now with it closed, thats another story as far as I can see  :sad:
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: bert1952 on 02 July 2015, 09:12
same to me, came to the point of removal the card after blank...
But finially got the door open reading some other forums and hints

Take a rubber hammer, like one you use to pose the tiles on the floor.
2 bangs on the door, inner side at lock position, AND same time press the unlock key on the remote control.
Suddenly you hear a click... done
The problem seems to be the microswitch inside the lock
And after that never close the door again, next time might fail!
Title: Re: Rear door card and plate removal with extra info for door locked shut.
Post by: bert1952 on 02 July 2015, 11:31
forgot to say
Many Thanks!!!! for this exellent guide.
I'm a noob in cars, but got the lock out.

Also i closed the door (stupid me) after i opened it. Took be another day to find out exactly what i had done the first time to open it .
So never closed the door again, the microswitch might fail the next time, and them your'e lost.
In that case follow the guides found on some forums there are different approaches like make a hole in the door, drilling the bolds etc etc