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Title: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: KennyGTI on 08 September 2010, 08:58
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Can you still adjust the level of your lights manaully same as us halogen users ( :sick:) I am looking to get xenons as a wee treat  :smiley: but would like to keep the cost down as much as possible so not fitting headlight washers or auto levelling sensors plus after reading through the installation of auto levellers on a MK5 has put me right off : http://furmanka.blogspot.com/2007/12/mk5-wiata-ksenonowe-z-samopoziomowaniem.html  :undecided:

So thats the point of my question, if I fit xenons will I be able to adjust the level manually still  :rolleyes:

P.S. I know it illegal to do so please no reminding me  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Radek on 08 September 2010, 09:42
Funnily – and contrary to the common knowledge - you do not need the levelling IF you can guarantee the beam to be always at the same level. This is possible on some older sports cars with no boot and no rear seats and a very very stiff suspension. So the only thing would be if you can adjust the lamp itself to the correct angle and do you really want to do it next to the High Voltage sticker… Auto-levelling is just for users’ convenience.

I spent some time thinking about it when ordering the car and it was one of those things that you’re better off ordering from new than trying to buy afterwards… Not that this random comment helps you anyway  :evil:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Ess_Three on 08 September 2010, 09:49
No...you can't. There is no adjuster on Xenon cars.

Is the non-Xenon lens a projector type?
Just wondering if you'll have problems with the beam pattern...also the indicator lenses are larger on the Xenon lights to allow them to be seen.

Will you be running DRLs?
With Xenons the dip beam full Xenon is the DRL (in the outer lights)...and without the differently positioned and larger indicator, would it still be seen with retro-fittred Xenons?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Ess_Three on 08 September 2010, 09:52

P.S. I know it illegal to do so please no reminding me  :lipsrsealed:

It's a grey area...
To buy new, the car needs cleaning and auto-levelling to be legal.
For the MOT it needs neither, just a good clear beam cut off - which is unlikely to be achieved without a projector type lens...which, looking at the pictures, it doesn't look like the non-Xenon lights have projector lenses.

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 08 September 2010, 10:08
It is OEM xenons lights i am fitting (full head light). I am worried about getting the xenons on and not being able to adjust the level if the beam is all over the shop  :sad:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Ess_Three on 08 September 2010, 12:21
It is OEM xenons lights i am fitting (full head light). I am worried about getting the xenons on and not being able to adjust the level if the beam is all over the shop  :sad:

If you are fitting OEM housings with projector lenses, and OEM Xenons, I'd not worry Kenny.
You are already lower/stiffer than a std GTI...so as long as you keep 'em clean, I wouldn't have thought it would be an issue....once you get them set!!


Do they have manual adjusters to set the beam?
I've never checked.
Are you fitting the electric motors and controller?
I'm unsure if the facility exists to set the static beam pattern up on the OEM Xenon light clusters, with them being adaptive as standard, without going into the controller and doing some form of electronic calibration.
I assume so...but with them motoring out/in/down/up etc when switching on...I don't know.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 08 September 2010, 15:54
Am not planning to fit the auto levellers, way too complicated and just more expense(comes as a seperate kit)! So thats why am wondering if I will be able to fit the headlights and thats all? As the halogen headlights have manual levellers switch just next to the dash brightness switch I am wondering if the xenons have this too? Seems not to though  :sad: My plan was to fit the xenons headlights and sit be able to manually adjust the level  :cry:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Ess_Three on 08 September 2010, 16:20
Am not planning to fit the auto levellers, way too complicated and just more expense(comes as a seperate kit)! So thats why am wondering if I will be able to fit the headlights and thats all? As the halogen headlights have manual levellers switch just next to the dash brightness switch I am wondering if the xenons have this too? Seems not to though  :sad: My plan was to fit the xenons headlights and sit be able to manually adjust the level  :cry:

Deffo no adjuster switch.
I suppose you could transfer over the motors from the non-Xenon OEM light clusters onto the Xenon OEM light clusters, if they would fit, and do it that way...but as to whether they are compatible is anyones guess.
I'd put my house on the fact they'd not be!

I can try to get some pics of the back of my lights when I get back if you want...that is if there is room to see anything!


Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 08 September 2010, 19:07
As a side note, MOT test sadly is not the 100% gosbal of what is legal for uk road use.
VOSA use to have a list on their website back in the dark ages of standards i don't know if they still do.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 08 September 2010, 20:49
Hmmm ... interesting all this.
I was under the distinct impression that the manual levellers for the Halogens could be teamed up with the OEM Xenons.

SteveP or Mortygt140 to the rescue? :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 09 September 2010, 08:21
Hmmm ... interesting all this.
I was under the distinct impression that the manual levellers for the Halogens could be teamed up with the OEM Xenons.

SteveP or Mortygt140 to the rescue? :smiley:

That would be ideal if the manual levellers and xenons would link up with each other. Known VW they won't, nothing is simple with them  :rolleyes:

Ess Three, if you can get pics that would be great mate, no harm in having a look  :nerd:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 09 September 2010, 09:04
http://www.vwcruise.com/51.html

Seems the xenons can be fitted without AFS and Auto Leveling  :cool: :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Rhyso on 09 September 2010, 09:23
http://www.vwcruise.com/51.html

Seems the xenons can be fitted without AFS and Auto Leveling  :cool: :laugh:

I've not heard good things about that company mind (if you're thinking of using them) - seen a few people complain about them over on Audi Sport  :undecided:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 09 September 2010, 09:41
Not using them mate, just sent them an email to ask if you can fit the xenons without the auto leveling and AFS.

Cheers for the heads up anyways  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Rhyso on 09 September 2010, 09:44
Not using them mate, just sent them an email to ask if you can fit the xenons without the auto leveling and AFS.

Cheers for the heads up anyways  :smiley:

No probs :afro:

Loads of MK4 owners have retro-fitted xenons without any problems.  There's a wiring mod they can do to manually adjust the level using the original headlight switch inside.

Would have thought something similar is doable for the MK6  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 09 September 2010, 13:51
I have fitted about 5 sets of Xenons for forum members that includes the auto leveling and in 3 of the cases the washers...I have also done my own on retro fit they have all worked perfectly with out any problems.

The actual fitting is a doddle no special tools and I have got the fitting down to about 2 hours all in  with a factory look you cannot tell it wasn't fitted from VW,

If you need any info or advice let me know and ill could talk you through a retro fit of the levelers and bendy lights?  I think the auto level kit from Kufatec with all the sensors and controllers is just short of £400. if you can get the headlights with the ignitors and ballasts cheap enough then your laughing, you don't really nead the washers if you keep them clean enough,  But I think the levelers do a good job of keeping the light at a good level to see whats in front all the time.

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Ess_Three on 09 September 2010, 13:57
Darren,

Don't suppose you know if the GTI Xenon 'furniture' will fit straight onto the R Xenon 'black' housings?
I'm guessing so...but at the price VW want for a pair of black housings, I'm not sure I'm willing to risk it.

Glen.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 09 September 2010, 15:49
I have fitted about 5 sets of Xenons for forum members that includes the auto leveling and in 3 of the cases the washers...I have also done my own on retro fit they have all worked perfectly with out any problems.

The actual fitting is a doddle no special tools and I have got the fitting down to about 2 hours all in  with a factory look you cannot tell it wasn't fitted from VW,

If you need any info or advice let me know and ill could talk you through a retro fit of the levelers and bendy lights?  I think the auto level kit from Kufatec with all the sensors and controllers is just short of £400. if you can get the headlights with the ignitors and ballasts cheap enough then your laughing, you don't really nead the washers if you keep them clean enough,  But I think the levelers do a good job of keeping the light at a good level to see whats in front all the time.

Darren

Darren,

That is music to my ears! Out of interest where are you based? :huh: Steve is looking into getting me headlights from VW ( take it they will come with ballasts and ignitors? ). Looking at the guide to fit the levelers on the MK5 put me right off but if your saying it was simple I might just go for them  :smiley:

So so so annoyed I didnt just get them to order!!!  :sad:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 09 September 2010, 18:59
Darren,
Yummy! :smiley:
I've got heated washers and manual levellers.
How much would the whole shebang cost: Bi-Xenons (smoked), auto-levellers, wiring, labour, etc., etc.
Does the bumper have to be removed?
Cost breakdown, please.
PM me if you prefer.
Thanks.
Asker
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 September 2010, 22:48
Kenny:
I've sent you this, but thought I should share it on the Forum. :smiley:

Bi-Xenons on German eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.de/VW-Golf-6-VI-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-5K1941751C-links-rechts-/370429554480?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item563f526f30

http://cgi.ebay.de/VW-Golf-6-VI-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-5K1941752C-original-neu-/370430643718?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item563f630e06

http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5

http://cgi.ebay.de/ORIGINAL-VW-BI-XENON-SCHEINWERFER-GOLF-6-VI-R-GTI-/200456790244?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item2eac27e0e4
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 10 September 2010, 23:00
^^^ The part numbers are different for RHD vs. LHD Xenon's  :nerd:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 10 September 2010, 23:06
I have been looking at THESE ONES (http://cgi.ebay.de/Satz-Golf-6-VI-Bi-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-GTI-R-GTD-TDI-/160441994263?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item255b168c17).

These also include the ballasts, ignitors and control modules, he also has right hand drive units.

But I must resist  :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 September 2010, 23:15
I too contacted them some time ago and they said they had them for RHD cars. Hmmm...
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 10 September 2010, 23:18
Maybe he will do discount for two  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 September 2010, 23:26
Or 3 customers! Group buy? I don't think we can bargain with them but it's worth a try.
Now, who on this Forum speaks German and can help us?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 11 September 2010, 15:05
Here is another German site selling Golf R smoked Bi-Xenons for Euro 780.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ORIGINAL-VW-BI-XENON-SCHEINWERFER-GOLF-6-VI-R-Line_W0QQitemZ350358180505QQcategoryZ44261QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D4%26pmod%3D120613828053%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5759761666980197777

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Buck on 11 September 2010, 18:45
^^^ they look (much) nicer than the standard bi-xenon ones.

I'm not sure what the cost of everything else such as the ballasts and control modules would be though?
And the cost of fitting/wiring?

Should have bee standard fit on the GTi/GTD IMHO but hey ho!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 11 September 2010, 19:17
Some of these are made in Slovenia. :rolleyes:
One of the sellers is from Denmark.
I think the best ones to stick with are the ones made in Germany.
Kenny and Mike can you do some research please.

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 11 September 2010, 21:03
I've researched into it a few times regards the xenons, 

Ess_Three the R lights are the same units just with black surrounds so every thing will be interchangeable. 

Asker you know me I will do you a good deal re labour if you can get the lights and level kit Ill fit it for £50 + dinner :grin:

Kenny I'm in Leeds but do travel...I was in Dundee in July and always going down to London and any where inbetween :wink:

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 11 September 2010, 21:07
Darren, PM exactly what I should get and Bob's your uncle! :wink:
Both Kenny and I are game. :smiley:

..... and you are a star! :cool:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Ess_Three on 12 September 2010, 05:57

Ess_Three the R lights are the same units just with black surrounds so every thing will be interchangeable. 


Cheers Darren,

The next question is:
Can you buy the housings on their own?
The prices for this thread will be for housings, ballasts, elements etc...
To go Xenon non-black to Xenon black, you'd only need the housings with the projector holder painted black as the rest is already fitted...but do VW sell the bare housings?

I's sure SteveP mentioned around £750 for the Xenon black lights...surely this isn't for a pair of bare plastic housings?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 12 September 2010, 12:20
The R plastic housings are about £320 each side without bulbs controllers ballasts etc..
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 12 September 2010, 12:21
The R plastic housings are about £320 each side without bulbs controllers ballasts etc..

Mike: Are you going to go the Xenon route and join Kenny and myself?

Heavens above: That's very pricey.

Ess_Three: How about you giving me your housings FOC for old times sake! You won't need them once you get the smokey ones.
Ok, I'll be fair and negotiate. :evil:

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Ess_Three on 12 September 2010, 12:22
The R plastic housings are about £320 each side without bulbs controllers ballasts etc..

Sh*t the bed!
The price was right then. Ouch.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 12 September 2010, 12:24
 :shocked: Can you use lense protectors on xenons  :shocked:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Ess_Three on 12 September 2010, 12:25
:shocked: Can you use lense protectors on xenons  :shocked:

As far as I know, yes.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 12 September 2010, 12:29
Mike: Are you going to go the Xenon route and join Kenny and myself?

I would love to, I am in NI and would have to fit them myself.
I did manage the rear camera without problems but looking at the self levelling kit installation on the previous link looks like a bridge to far.

The link I gave earlier to the guy on Ebay would be the easiest way without the self levellers, as the only thing extra you would need would be adapters for the connections at about £40. Like you I have the winter pack so have the washers.

Still not sure what to do..
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 12 September 2010, 12:33
Ess_Three: How about you giving me your housings FOC for old times sake! You won't need them once you get the smokey ones.
Ok, I'll be fair and negotiate. :evil:

Wish I had ordered them in the first place. :angry:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Ess_Three on 12 September 2010, 13:25
Ess_Three: How about you giving me your housings FOC for old times sake! You won't need them once you get the smokey ones.
Ok, I'll be fair and negotiate. :evil:

Wish I had ordered them in the first place. :angry:

I'll negotiate...
How about you send me the cost of the dark housings, and I'll send you mine?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 12 September 2010, 13:45
Ess_Three: How about you giving me your housings FOC for old times sake! You won't need them once you get the smokey ones.
Ok, I'll be fair and negotiate. :evil:
Wish I had ordered them in the first place. :angry:
I'll negotiate...
How about you send me the cost of the dark housings, and I'll send you mine?

Very generous of you.
I'll take a rain check on this one.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 13 September 2010, 01:15
To be more precise the black R headlights are £427.70 part numbers

5K1 941 753 D left - uk traffic
5K1 941 754 D right - uk traffic

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Ess_Three on 13 September 2010, 06:02
To be more precise the black R headlights are £427.70 part numbers

5K1 941 753 D left - uk traffic
5K1 941 754 D right - uk traffic

Darren

Is that each Darren?
+VAT presumably?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 13 September 2010, 07:52
Same Qs as Ess_Three to you Darren.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 13 September 2010, 11:13
To be more precise the black R headlights are £427.70 part numbers

5K1 941 753 D left - uk traffic
5K1 941 754 D right - uk traffic

Darren

That's strange, ETKA gives me a cost of £320.69 inc Vat for those part numbers
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 13 September 2010, 11:18
^^^ mine is the same as Darren's, £427 per headlight
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 13 September 2010, 11:20
I just phoned my dealer, same price as me, very strange, maybe they have dropped in price recently..
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 14 September 2010, 12:55
£320 and thats with everything, bulbs,ignitors, and ballasts????

I am going to email : http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5

See what they say to it.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 14 September 2010, 15:38
£320 and thats with everything, bulbs,ignitors, and ballasts????
I am going to email : http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5
See what they say to it.

That's one of the 5 sellers I have from Germany. The others were lousy value.

But Kenny, it says Euro 845 (approx £702) on the site. How come it is £320? Unless you are thinking for each side. But that is still approx £351.
I am now totally confused with the whole thing.
I'll be seeing Steve either tomorrow or Thursday and get him to clarify.

Just spoke to the guy with great difficulty and asked him to e-mail me. He says Euro 845 (approx £702) is the COMPLETE cost + Euro 26 or 29 for pp. This is for everything. Seems too good to be true. And they are made in Germany not Slovenia!

Soon find out. :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Danno on 14 September 2010, 18:43
All you need to do now chaps is change your front bumper and you'll have an R lookalike!! :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 14 September 2010, 18:46
That Danno would be a retrograde step and a 'bridge too far'!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 14 September 2010, 18:47
I noticed a golf come past me today at a T junction and i thought it was an R but it was a bluemotion with R wheels.  :shocked:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 14 September 2010, 18:48
An abortion!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Buck on 14 September 2010, 20:03
I noticed a golf come past me today at a T junction and i thought it was an R but it was a bluemotion with R wheels.  :shocked:

Now he's clearly trying too hard and failing  :grin: - had it other mods to make it look 'R' ?!

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 14 September 2010, 20:08
I noticed a golf come past me today at a T junction and i thought it was an R but it was a bluemotion with R wheels.  :shocked:
Now he's clearly trying too hard and failing  :grin: - had it other mods to make it look 'R' ?!

With those wheels he is a Blowed Motion! Idiot!
Why or why did he do that? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimble on 14 September 2010, 20:26
I think it might look decent! cos doesn't the blue motion come with a body kit now? reckon the R wheels will look better than the bottle tops that come standard!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 14 September 2010, 20:32
I noticed a golf come past me today at a T junction and i thought it was an R but it was a bluemotion with R wheels.  :shocked:

Now he's clearly trying too hard and failing  :grin: - had it other mods to make it look 'R' ?!


No just the side skirts of the bluemotion which is what confused me at first.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 14 September 2010, 21:09
£320 and thats with everything, bulbs,ignitors, and ballasts????
I am going to email : http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5
See what they say to it.

That's one of the 5 sellers I have from Germany. The others were lousy value.

But Kenny, it says Euro 845 (approx £702) on the site. How come it is £320? Unless you are thinking for each side. But that is still approx £351.
I am now totally confused with the whole thing.
I'll be seeing Steve either tomorrow or Thursday and get him to clarify.

Just spoke to the guy with great difficulty and asked him to e-mail me. He says Euro 845 (approx £702) is the COMPLETE cost + Euro 26 or 29 for pp. This is for everything. Seems too good to be true. And they are made in Germany not Slovenia!

Soon find out. :lipsrsealed:

The £320 is the price mike got from the dealers for the Golf R lights. If that is the case then we need to ask mike a favour  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 14 September 2010, 21:12
Kenny: I think, and I might be wrong, that those prices from Mike are just for the housings.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Danno on 14 September 2010, 21:33
That Danno would be a retrograde step and a 'bridge too far'!
:grin:
With your rear bumper the way it is, you've already got the R's diffuser!!!!

Glad you got it sorted mate....


Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 16 September 2010, 06:56
The prices I have maybe a little out Ill check today has I'm down at VW Leeds picking some parts up,  Also that price is just the housing with the rear covers no bulbs no ballasts and no ignitors.

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 16 September 2010, 07:07
Thanks Darren.
Off to work now!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 05 October 2010, 12:18
Hi golfgti5: :smiley:

Don't know quite the exact difference between RHD and LHD Xenons as the part nos are the same for both. It is probably to do with beam orientation.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 05 October 2010, 12:20
^^^ Part numbers are not the same  :nerd:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 05 October 2010, 12:22
These are the part nos?

5K1 941 753 D left - UK traffic
5K1 941 754 D right - UK traffic
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 05 October 2010, 12:34
Just spoke to the guy called Hasan. There was a language problem!
So did not get far!

http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5

His part nos match those for UK traffic.

However, his prices do not include the cornering module and power module or the auto levelling function.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 05 October 2010, 14:38
God this is getting mad Asker  :grin:!

Are you wanting the cornering module and auto levelling module? All we would really need to buy extra is the power module, to get the xenons fitted and powered up to go?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 05 October 2010, 18:35
Been thinking, I cannot imagine vw have designed two different headlight units for lhd cars and for rhd cars??? Just wondering if it's the bulb holding ring that's different?? If that's the case, cheap set from Germany and source uk parts that are needed here?? Or is that just a dumb suggestin? Lol
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 05 October 2010, 18:46
Been thinking, I cannot imagine vw have designed two different headlight units for lhd cars and for rhd cars??? Just wondering if it's the bulb holding ring that's different?? If that's the case, cheap set from Germany and source uk parts that are needed here?? Or is that just a dumb suggestin? Lol

Kenny,

It's good mad fun trying to save money.

Must put this question to SteveP or mortygt140. Are you watching sirs?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 05 October 2010, 19:47
Just spoke to the guy called Hasan. There was a language problem!
So did not get far!

http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5

His part nos match those for UK traffic.

However, his prices do not include the cornering module and power module or the auto levelling function.



Hello,

do is bassicly need the cornering module and power module or the auto levelling function?
Or can i install Hasan's xenon and it will work?

greetings Ron
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 05 October 2010, 20:03
Just spoke to the guy called Hasan. There was a language problem!
So did not get far!
http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5
His part nos match those for UK traffic.
However, his prices do not include the cornering module and power module or the auto levelling function.
Hello,
do is bassicly need the cornering module and power module or the auto levelling function?
Or can i install Hasan's xenon and it will work?
greetings Ron

Hi Ron,

No you don't need any of these. These can be retro-retro fitted. Hasan's set I think comes with everything, so he says. Just check with him carefully. Also check whether he supplies part no 5M0 941 645, it's used to hold the bulb in place. You'll have to take the bumper off to fit the Xenons! :rolleyes:

I must thank SteveP and mortygt140 for all their help to Kenny and myelf through this on-going purchasing merry-go-round.

I wish I could speak German. Make life so much easier. You can, I presume, being Dutch. :smiley:

Best of luck and tell us how you get on, please.

Asker
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 05 October 2010, 23:26
I'm a bit confused myself regards what we spoke about the other day Asker...basically the mk6 has you know has both cornering and level control, but on ETKA it show 3 modules? Only 2 can be fitted 1 is needed for both cornering and leveling this is the xenon control module that the gateway see's then there is either a power control module which is the ballast under the light housing but also a very similar one that is described has cornering power control module and looks exactly like the ballast???

I presume if you don't want the corning facility or leveling then you just buy the normal power unit to retrofit the lights??? If you want the full monty then you buy the cornering power control module.

I think i've answered my own question there. :huh: :grin:

Maybe SteveP can answer this has I think he has the xenons on his?

Darren

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 06 October 2010, 09:03
I have now, at last, been given the correct Part Nos by SteveP for the Bi-Xenons.

For RHD cars, i.e. LH Traffic, Part Nos as follows:-

(1) 5K2 941 753 B  -  LEFT CHROME/BLACK  ------ GTi
(2) 5K2 941 754 B  -  RIGHT CHROME/BLACK  ---- GTi

(3) 5K2 941 753 C  -  LEFT BLACK  ----------------  R
(4) 5K2 941 754 C  -  RIGHT BLACK  --------------  R

Therefore, the ones advertised by German ebay sellers are not the correct ones for UK traffic.

PS: However, I have found out today that one or two sellers can get the above for no extra charge.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 00:35
For those of you interested, here is the shopping list required to Retro-fit Golf R Bi-Xenons to a Golf GTi/GTD.
It been quite a task to compile this!

[1] 5K2 941 753 C Left Black, 5K2 941 754 C Right Black = 739,00 Euro (with extra discount!) 
[2] 2x Controller Xenon = 250,00 Euro
[3] 2x Philips/Osram Xenon Burner = 88,00 Euro
[4] Adapter Harness from Halogen to Xenon = 45,00 Euro
[5] Retaining Ring x 2 (£6.70 each - Pt No 5M0 941 645)  = £13.40
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[6] Power module for cornering light (Pt No 7L6 941 329 B) £156.28 each UK/317,00 Euro for pair from Germany
[7] Cornering control - 5M0 907 357C - £137.00 UK for pair/100,00 Euro for pair from Germany
[8] Auto-levelling - Xenon - Retrofit - VW Golf Mk6 = 219,00 Euro from KUFATEC

Items [1] to [5] are for the basic fitting. Adding Items [6] to [8] provides the lot, less item [4] which is included with item [8].

Any corrections, additions and suggestions are very welcome and much appreciated. :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 07 October 2010, 07:57
^^^ The price for the Kufatec autolevels is also only valid for cars with ACC, non ACC cars need the kits which costs 359 euros.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 10:05
Sorry I did not mention the that there are specific kits for ACC and non ACC cars. A bit me, me, me as Kev would comment! :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 10:27
Thanks for the PMs Steve. So it now seems the shopping list for standard fit and full fit are correct as far as I/ we know. Praise the Lord. :grin:
Kenny, my friend, we are nearly there!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 07 October 2010, 13:17
Flaming heck what a blinking palaver, you'd have been so much better off not being so tight and speccing them with your original order :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 07 October 2010, 15:16
Flaming heck what a blinking palaver, you'd have been so much better off not being so tight and speccing them with your original order :wink:

.....and dont we know it!

The issue i had was i added them to my list when specing the car but the xenons put the monthly payments right up and it was too much as i have just bought a house in March, then a few months later when i went to may the rest of my deposit and sign the payments the salesman sweetend the deal (family friend) and dropped the interest rate which dropped my payments right down! If only i had known!!!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 15:29
Flaming heck what a blinking palaver, you'd have been so much better off not being so tight and speccing them with your original order :wink:

You have no bloody idea dahling how much time this has taken me.
Still trying to save Euros, but I think we are nearly there. Should be firmed up in the next few days.

Yes, I was mean when speccing the car. Thought I could get Xenons cheaply as a retro-fit (idiot+) just as I did with the RNS 510 (clever+). Do you blame me? Also, did not know about this Forum at that time.

At least, through all this, I have met a really nice guy - Kenny. :smiley:

BTW: Both Kenny and moi have gone a bit nuts!!!!! ---- I think??? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 16:01
Oh, I have sort of harangued SteveP constantly and he has shown great restraint!
Mortygt140 has got off lightly so far!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 07 October 2010, 16:31
Well I'm really glad that you and Kenny are going to get the lights that you both so badly want and (with all the work you've put in Asker) deserve.

Kenny I think is after an R lookalike, and may have some comments from that lot :wink:

All the best converting your euros. :laugh:

Gizzy
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 16:37
Well I'm really glad that you and Kenny are going to get the lights that you both so badly want and (with all the work you've put in Asker) deserve.
Kenny I think is after an R lookalike, and may have some comments from that lot :wink:
All the best converting your euros. :laugh:
Gizzy

We are both getting 'R' Bi-Xenons, at least I am and from what I know so far, so is Kenny.

Nearly there and managed to wrangle discounts from the Germans. Really very nice and effecient sellers.

Waiting for the Euro to collapse. Praying like mad.

Once bought, I'll have the fitting drama to contend with. Oh, dear God!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 07 October 2010, 17:21
Well I'm really glad that you and Kenny are going to get the lights that you both so badly want and (with all the work you've put in Asker) deserve.
Kenny I think is after an R lookalike, and may have some comments from that lot :wink:
All the best converting your euros. :laugh:
Gizzy

We are both getting 'R' Bi-Xenons, at least I am and from what I know so far, so is Kenny.

Nearly there and managed to wrangle discounts from the Germans. Really very nice and effecient sellers.

Waiting for the Euro to collapse. Praying like mad.

Once bought, I'll have the fitting drama to contend with. Oh, dear God!

Is Steve fitting them for you or Darren?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 07 October 2010, 19:12
Well I'm really glad that you and Kenny are going to get the lights that you both so badly want and (with all the work you've put in Asker) deserve.
Kenny I think is after an R lookalike, and may have some comments from that lot :wink:
All the best converting your euros. :laugh:
Gizzy

We are both getting 'R' Bi-Xenons, at least I am and from what I know so far, so is Kenny.

Nearly there and managed to wrangle discounts from the Germans. Really very nice and effecient sellers.

Waiting for the Euro to collapse. Praying like mad.

Once bought, I'll have the fitting drama to contend with. Oh, dear God!

From week 45 the xenon's are getting LED DRL's, maybe you wait for that?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 19:21
From week 45 the xenon's are getting LED DRL's, maybe you wait for that?

Hmmm ..... a bit like these?

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1820_c325_Headlights---LED-Daytime-Running-Light-VW-Golf-6-VI.html

Or,

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1842_c325_Headlights---LED-Daytime-Running-Light-VW-Golf-6-VI.html

I seem to find LEDs a bit vulgar.

I'll have to think about this. Thanks. :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 07 October 2010, 19:25
From week 45 the xenon's are getting LED DRL's, maybe you wait for that?

Hmmm ..... a bit like these?

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1820_c325_Headlights---LED-Daytime-Running-Light-VW-Golf-6-VI.html

Or,

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1842_c325_Headlights---LED-Daytime-Running-Light-VW-Golf-6-VI.html

I seem to find LEDs a bit vulgar.

I'll have to think about this. Thanks. :smiley:

It's like this;

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/ronzuid/led-1.jpg)

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/ronzuid/ledkop.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 19:28
Really nice. :smiley:
Put in soo much work sourcing and making up a shopping list.
Now this.
Kenny will be distraught!
Damn, back to the drawing board! :cry:

Many, many thanks Ron for alerting us. :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 07 October 2010, 20:37
Really nice. :smiley:
Put in soo much work sourcing and making up a shopping list.
Now this.
Kenny will be distraught!
Damn, back to the drawing board! :cry:

Many, many thanks Ron for alerting us. :smiley:

They don't improve the look of the xenons at all IMO, I'd just stick with the ordinary lights if I were you.
PS Hope you feel better soon. :kiss:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 07 October 2010, 20:52
When I got the pm from you asker I got very excited but after seeing the pics am not so sure??? Need to think about it?

What do we do next??? Agggghhhhh!! Lol

p.s thanks for the lovely comments asker  :kiss:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 20:58
Blame Ron for putting a Dutch cat amongst British pidgeons.

Im thinking, I am thinking ........ Hell I'll have a drink and think again tomorrow!

This has driven me doo laa lee. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 07 October 2010, 20:59
Well I'm really glad that you and Kenny are going to get the lights that you both so badly want and (with all the work you've put in Asker) deserve.

Kenny I think is after an R lookalike, and may have some comments from that lot :wink:

All the best converting your euros. :laugh:

Gizzy

And I cant deny I ove the look of the R! What next a K04 Turbo conversion!?  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 07 October 2010, 21:02
Well I'm really glad that you and Kenny are going to get the lights that you both so badly want and (with all the work you've put in Asker) deserve.

Kenny I think is after an R lookalike, and may have some comments from that lot :wink:

All the best converting your euros. :laugh:

Gizzy

And I cant deny I ove the look of the R! What next a K04 Turbo conversion!?  :lipsrsealed:

A real pocket rocket :wink: be faster than an R :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Rhyso on 07 October 2010, 21:03
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/ronzuid/led-1.jpg)

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/ronzuid/ledkop.jpg)

they look  :sick: :sick: :sick:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 21:10
IMO, it looks a bit off. :rolleyes:
Maybe it is grower and a shower!
What do you think?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 21:15
Just had a brain wave.
Maybe I can wrest a bigger discount from our German seller because of this. :evil:
I'll try tomorrow!
Nothing ventured, nothing gained! :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 07 October 2010, 21:17
Just had a brain wave.
Maybe I get wrest a bigger discount from our German seller because of this. :evil:
I'll try tomorrow!
Nothing ventured, nothing gained! :grin:

Where did you buy it and how much must you pay for it?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 October 2010, 21:26
Where did you buy it and how much must you pay for it?

Hi Ron,

We have not bought anything as yet.
Dealing with Tuning-Fanatics at present. Very efficient.
The other place is sk-multishop. Still waiting for their prices.
If we buy, I think it will be Tuning-Fanatics. They seem to know what they are talking about.
You can see the prices in Euros in my previous post. :smiley:

Asker
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 08 October 2010, 07:41
From week 45 the xenon's are getting LED DRL's, maybe you wait for that?
About time imo. It did seem madness VW introducing the mk6 golf without them. Its the only thing i hate about the current xenons, that they are on all the time.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 08 October 2010, 07:45
Sorry for the German, i don't understand it either, use Google translate;

- LED Tagfahrlichtband um den Xenon Kegel

- Neue Leuchtgrafik für die Halogen Heckleuchten

- ACC Abstandshalter

- Neue Außenfarben (unter anderem Toffee Brown)

- Neue Schalter bzw. anders Geformt

- RCD 510 / RNS 510 Update auf MJ 2011 (dann auch mit Apple iPhone 4 nutzbar)

- Option: Winterreifen auch für BMT

- MFA "Plus" serienmäßig bei BiFuel

- Option MFA "Premium"

- Entfall LM-Rad "Siena" (mit ohne Sportpaket)

- Option LM-Rad "Salamanca" (mit ohne Sportpaket)

- Option Xenon mit LED-Tagfahrlicht

- Motor BiFuel jetzt EU5
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 08 October 2010, 07:50
You loose the side light i wonder how there getting round that law  :undecided:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 08 October 2010, 10:25
Snoops: Your advice please.
Should I wait for the BW45 Xenons with LED DRLs or go for the present types.
As I see it,with the present ones, the Xenons are on all the time which is something I would not be too happy with.
Decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 08 October 2010, 11:30
Wonder if there are anymore pics of them on, like at night? Cant seem to find any on the internet. I dont think the two pics posted do them justice

Kenny
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 08 October 2010, 12:07
am1w
If it was me i would wait as its the one thing that really im not that happy about with the current xenons. The question then of cause is how are they controlled, by what signal from the control unit and can it be programmed on the older unit?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 08 October 2010, 15:04
am1w
If it was me i would wait as its the one thing that really im not that happy about with the current xenons. The question then of cause is how are they controlled, by what signal from the control unit and can it be programmed on the older unit?

I will take your advice.
Sorry Kenny, but the Xenons being on all the time would drive me mad.
I'll now get the German Supplier to look for this!

PS: Or should I/we not bother with the BW45 ones? :undecided:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 08 October 2010, 15:47
The shopping list for one set of Bi-Xenons:

[1] 5K2 941 753 C Left Black, 5K2 941 754 C Right Black = 739,00 Euro (extra discount if 2 sets bought!)
[2] 2 x Xenon Controllers = 250,00 Euro
[3] 2x Philips/Osram Xenon Burner = 88,00 Euro
[4] Adapter Harness from Halogen to Xenon = 45,00 Euro
[5] Retaining Rings for Xenons from VW Parts, 2 x 5M0 941 645  = £13.40
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[6] 7L6 941 329 B +7L6 941 330 B, 2 x Power Module for Cornering light = 100,00 Euro
[7] Cornering Control Module, 5M0 907 357C = 100,00 Euro
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[8] Auto-levelers from KUFATEC = 219,00 Euro
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Note: (a) Items [1] to [5] for the basic fitting.
         (b) Item [4] not required if Item [8] purchased.

Pretty good value overall IMO.

Any corrections and suggestions more than welcome.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 08 October 2010, 17:34
You can turn the side lights on instead though. But thats not really a fix and becomes a pain doing it everytime you get in the car.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 08 October 2010, 17:51
I'll consider my options over the weekend.
Too sick today to make an informed decision.
Collecting car tomorrow morning, again!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 08 October 2010, 17:57
The other thing is that having Xenons of a BW45 car on a BW8 car could cause me problems in trying to get them working and possibly warranty problems with VW if the electrics go belly-up. :undecided:

They could also be very much more expensive to buy. :undecided:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 08 October 2010, 18:27
The other thing is that having Xenons of a BW45 car on a BW8 car could cause me problems in trying to get them working and possibly warranty problems with VW if the electrics go belly-up. :undecided:
But you could say the same about the rear LEDs  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 08 October 2010, 19:37
The other thing is that having Xenons of a BW45 car on a BW8 car could cause me problems in trying to get them working and possibly warranty problems with VW if the electrics go belly-up. :undecided:
But you could say the same about the rear LEDs  :wink:

True! :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 08 October 2010, 20:30
Maybe these guys have some Xenons to sell:

http://www.vws.me.uk/?gclid=COjN6KaAxKQCFWlc4wods11VUA
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 08 October 2010, 21:19
Asker

You're getting yourself more and more wound up over this xenon business.

You and Kenny had decided on the ordinary R xenons and were quite happy, then Ron throws a spanner in the works and shows you a pic of those yucky LED ones IMO they're :sick:  So stick with the originals which will be cheaper anyway I should think and be happy. :wink:

Gizzy
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 08 October 2010, 21:27
Hello Amanda darling,

You know what, you have managed to make me change my mind ..... see its just not a woman's pererogative. :wink: I do find LEDs very Chav. :sick:

Now, should I get the all Black Golf R ones or the Silver & Black GTi ones? :undecided:

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 08 October 2010, 21:34
Hello Amanda darling,

You know what, you have managed to make me change my mind ..... see its just not a woman's pererogative. :wink: I do find LEDs very Chav. :sick:

Now, should I get the all Black Golf R ones or the Silver & Black GTi ones? :undecided:



Well obviously I have the silver ones as came from the factory.  But I like the R ones in the black, so to be a bit different I would probably invest in the black one if it were me particularly if they are the same price.  Good luck.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 08 October 2010, 21:53
Ok, I'll go with the R ones.
Make Wofgang's eyes dark and interesting just like his owners. :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 08 October 2010, 23:19
Ok, I'll go with the R ones.
Make Wofgang's eyes dark and interesting just like his owners. :grin:

Yummy I too have dark eyes :wink: a match made in Wolfsburg  :kiss: can't wait to see pics of Wolfgang with his ne eyes.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: dustybones on 09 October 2010, 00:11
Dude
I gotta say,yer gettin awfy wound up about WolfGangs peepers!, are they really that bad, mebbie just stick with the standard ones, after all, have you crashed cos you didn't see anything yet!. Like I said before, the gti lights are not the most fab things but are they really that bad??? I have had the same quandary for as long but when I look at the whole picture. Any moments that I have had,- none can be attributed to just not seeing stuff.............. Know what I mean?
Your choice totally.............. but being realistic???

hmmmm

Cheers    Dave (my mota is a poverty spec Mk5, (in my eyes) but I got that Revo Malarkey.......... Oh yes indeeed)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 09 October 2010, 00:20
Hi Dustybones:

It's just I want my peepers to look different from stock Golfs.
I've done so much to the bugger, I might as well get his face sorted. :evil:
I also like the idea of the 'dancing Xenons'.

Besides, Amanda likes dark eyes. :grin:

BTW, it's been great fun sourcing them at a good price. It was quite a task believe me.

Next: Buy them, then fit them and code them. I love fiddling and dramas .... no I am not a DQ. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 09 October 2010, 09:16
Im not a fan of the 19" wheeled golf black ones they just look ordinary.
If i was you i would wait for two reasons. 1: see the new ones in the flesh. 2: many people may want to upgrade from there older xenons to the new LED ones and so quite a few may come up for sale.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 09 October 2010, 10:59
Your arguments are very compelling. Best advice so far.
Yes, it would be stupid not to wait.
I was also in two minds about the all black ones. The black and silver ones for the GTi look so delicate and unusual.
Now, I'll wait it out until 8th Nov onwards.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 09 October 2010, 14:00
Amanda, and more importantly Kenny: Please forgive my vacillations. It's a lot of money and fitting time that's involved. I just wish to avoid as many hurdles and pit falls as possible before purchasing.
Snoops, you must admit, is talking compelling sense. Therefore, I'm following his advice. I feel it's for the best. 
At least a shopping list has been comprised and a seller identified.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 10 October 2010, 16:04
Another good reason to wait is the exchange rate. It's bloomin' awful right now.
You never know, once I've determined whether I'm up to the job of fitting it myself I may jump in too. I haven't driven the car in the dark much outside of town but when I did I was shocked at how bad the standard lights are. Unless the LED rears have caused the ECU or Control Module to wind back current to the front lights?  :shocked:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 October 2010, 17:22
I totally agree with you about the Halogens, nay all Halogens. They are hopeless IMO. I don't think their illumination has decreased with the fitting of rear LEDs. They were just as ineffective before.
I have now sourced a brilliant German ebay seller,  Tuning-Fanatics, who are  not averse to discounting their discounts! I told them we were very poor in the UK! The others German sellers were hopeless and too expensive.
I have also managed to obtain every part number, right up to the smallest  part, for a complete Bi-Xenon fitting. It was a labour of love.
What has put a spanner in the works is the BW45 LED Xenon combination.
I also now prefer the GTi Xenons to the all black R ones.
Never again will I buy a car without Xenons!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 10 October 2010, 17:28
I think the GTI Xenons will look better against your red paintwork.
My car is silver and thus I think I'll go for the black if I decide to go ahead. However this will mean I will also need to tint my fog lamps. So maybe I'll stick with the blingy GTI ones?  :grin:

Anyhow, your parts list is excellent. Big cyber pat on your sore back for compiling it.
But it also scares me sh!tless as I'll need to fit it all myself.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 October 2010, 17:34
There is even a bigger one I have not posted as yet with some really interesting price differences!
I'll PM you this once I can get to my PC.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 10 October 2010, 17:40
A few weeks ago it was about £813 to 1000 Euro, at the moment I'm seeing about £874 to the thousand!  :shocked:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 October 2010, 18:17
I have sent you the PM.
What do you think? :grin:

Yes, the exchange rate is not going our way. This is so annoying. :angry:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 10 October 2010, 18:59
Thanks for the message Asker. Whew. Good effort!
I'm going to sit and digest that little lot later after I've helped the kids with their homework and dumped them in for their yearly bath  :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 10 October 2010, 20:09
Looks like the facelifted EOS is getting the new LED Xenons as well

(http://cdn.images.autocar.co.uk/612x408FFFFFF/Car/Volkswagen/Eos/Volkswagen-Eos-71010101020356201600x1060.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 10 October 2010, 20:27
Yeah, I think it's the whole VW range going over to the Audi style lights as the Polo has the same style when specced with Xenons.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 October 2010, 21:07
Yeah, I think it's the whole VW range going over to the Audi style lights as the Polo has the same style when specced with Xenons.

I've refined THE list further as there were a couple of items no correctly specified!

After all this hard searching, I'm going to wait for the BW45 Xenon/LED lights. :rolleyes:

At least, I learned a lot. :cool:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 10 October 2010, 21:08
Looks like the facelifted EOS is getting the new LED Xenons as well
And the revised passat.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 10 October 2010, 21:36
Etka now listing the LED Xenons for the Golf. As noted before by Snoopy, no sidelight in the unit any more.

(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/ledXenon.jpg)


I only just realised with the MK6 Xenons, unlike the ones I had in the MKV, there is no additional halogen in the inner light for full beam.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 10 October 2010, 21:38
What's the price for them Mike???
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 10 October 2010, 21:45
£0.00 at the moment on my version, they must be free  :laugh:

They seem to be the same part number so maybe the same price as the previous ones.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 10 October 2010, 21:51
Same part number as the old ones. Interesting, so what happens if i need a replacment for the old style under warrenty  :evil:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 10 October 2010, 21:53
I have sent my parts guy an email so he can check the parts ordering system for there current status.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 October 2010, 21:55
It's getting hotter! :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 10 October 2010, 21:57
I think the last letter has changed from a "B" to a "D".
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 10 October 2010, 22:07
^^^ Yep I just checked what my current ones are  :smiley:

Anyone want a set of Mk6 Golf Xenon's  :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 October 2010, 22:10
^^^ Yep I just checked what my current ones are  :smiley:
Anyone want a set of Mk6 Golf Xenon's  :laugh:

I was so right.
YOU ARE THE MOD EMPEROR! :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 October 2010, 22:12
How can I access the correct EKTA webpage for the BW45 Bi-Xenons, please?  :embarassed:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 10 October 2010, 22:15
How can I access the correct EKTA webpage for the BW45 Bi-Xenons, please?  :embarassed:

It's not a webpage, it's an application.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 October 2010, 22:17
How can I access the correct EKTA webpage for the BW45 Bi-Xenons, please?  :embarassed:
It's not a webpage, it's an application.

Stopped in my tracks. :cool:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 11 October 2010, 11:47
^^^ Yep I just checked what my current ones are  :smiley:

Anyone want a set of Mk6 Golf Xenon's  :laugh:

Sounds like we have the Guinea Pig for trial fitting them  :grin:
Knowing my luck as I've an early build I'll have the same issues as with the rear LEDs and my dash will end up like a Christmas Tree.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 11 October 2010, 14:32
New Xenon's are now on the ordering system at a cost of £342.94 + VAT  :shocked:

And unsurprisingly they are on back order.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 11 October 2010, 15:27
You going for them Steve?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 11 October 2010, 17:38
New Xenon's are now on the ordering system at a cost of £342.94 + VAT  :shocked:

And unsurprisingly they are on back order.
So similar in price to the old ones.





To be more precise the black R headlights are £427.70 part numbers

5K1 941 753 D left - uk traffic
5K1 941 754 D right - uk traffic

Darren

That's strange, ETKA gives me a cost of £320.69 inc Vat for those part numbers
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 11 October 2010, 18:49
You going for them Steve?  :rolleyes:

Who me  :evil:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 12 October 2010, 18:11
German supplier will have the new LED/Xenons housing types in December for 739,00 euro per pair.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 12 October 2010, 18:54
That's a pretty good price  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: HA54SYM` on 13 October 2010, 14:58
I think the new lamps look good, would have made me spec them at time more too.

Looks like the R will get these too then, wonder if the 19" wheel ones will be darker?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLC1NxUdH0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLC1NxUdH0s)

Dave
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 13 October 2010, 15:46
Nice find there Dave ^^^^

I'd be just as happy with a standard set of Xenon lights though if they were cheaper.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 13 October 2010, 15:50
Mine will be for sale very soon  :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 13 October 2010, 15:57
God I will be happy with any sort of xenons! You xenon owners dont know how luck you all are!  :laugh:

Us halogen folk envy you  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 13 October 2010, 15:59
Quote me happy Mr P!!!
I then just need to find out for certain what else I need (and the actual costs via Askers contact as I'm guessing he'll be cheaper than TPS, exchange rates permitting). Then I just need to pray that I won't get the same or even worse issues I got when fitting the LED tails.
Bloody cars, wish I could learn to just leave 'em alone........ :cry:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 13 October 2010, 16:00
Quote me happy Mr P!!!
I then just need to find out for certain what else I need (and the actual costs via Askers contact as I'm guessing he'll be cheaper than TPS, exchange rates permitting). Then I just need to pray that I won't get the same or even worse issues I got when fitting the LED tails.
Bloody cars, wish I could learn to just leave 'em alone........ :cry:

Happy to price things up once I know what's required, likewise with the help of Mr Balloon would be able to install too.  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 13 October 2010, 16:03
Quote me happy Mr P!!!
I then just need to find out for certain what else I need (and the actual costs via Askers contact as I'm guessing he'll be cheaper than TPS, exchange rates permitting). Then I just need to pray that I won't get the same or even worse issues I got when fitting the LED tails.
Bloody cars, wish I could learn to just leave 'em alone........ :cry:

Happy to price things up once I know what's required, likewise with the help of Mr Balloon would be able to install too.  :smiley:
Funnily enough I was thinking about Dave and his magic tool set too! I could pass him some beer tokens and letch at his R.  :drool:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: stokeballoon on 13 October 2010, 16:12
Quote me happy Mr P!!!
I then just need to find out for certain what else I need (and the actual costs via Askers contact as I'm guessing he'll be cheaper than TPS, exchange rates permitting). Then I just need to pray that I won't get the same or even worse issues I got when fitting the LED tails.
Bloody cars, wish I could learn to just leave 'em alone........ :cry:

Happy to price things up once I know what's required, likewise with the help of Mr Balloon would be able to install too.  :smiley:
Funnily enough I was thinking about Dave and his magic tool! I could pass him some beer tokens and letch at his R.  :drool:

Perv!

 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 13 October 2010, 16:21
Quote me happy Mr P!!!
I then just need to find out for certain what else I need (and the actual costs via Askers contact as I'm guessing he'll be cheaper than TPS, exchange rates permitting). Then I just need to pray that I won't get the same or even worse issues I got when fitting the LED tails.
Bloody cars, wish I could learn to just leave 'em alone........ :cry:

Happy to price things up once I know what's required, likewise with the help of Mr Balloon would be able to install too.  :smiley:
Funnily enough I was thinking about Dave and his magic tool! I could pass him some beer tokens and letch at his R.  :drool:

Perv!

 :grin: :grin:


:smug:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 13 October 2010, 16:26
This is what we did to his car at the weekend  :shocked:

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/dave_rocco/DSCF3124.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimble on 13 October 2010, 17:16
 :sick: :sick:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: stokeballoon on 13 October 2010, 17:23
Found all the bits now, .....................Took a Dremel, several files a big drill and a grinder to the car too and only got 3 bits left over

Only Joking about the bits! 

Car is great now, with the addition of the Rear view camera etc. 
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 13 October 2010, 17:47
I think the new lamps look good, would have made me spec them at time more too.

Looks like the R will get these too then, wonder if the 19" wheel ones will be darker?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLC1NxUdH0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLC1NxUdH0s)

Dave
don't look as bad as i thought they might
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 13 October 2010, 18:31
Cannot believe the pervs on this thread. So me!
The cost of the Xenon housings will be 739,00 euro as long as some extra bits and pieces are ordered from them. Bigger discounts if more people order. It is in my nature to bargain and I have noticed from past dealings, Germans cave-in to my overtures surprisingly easily. :grin:
They are a soft and kind people IMO. 
Latest Xenons will only be available December onwards. Hope the exchange rate improves. We will know how Sterling fares after the Spending Review. You see, the SR has an impact on us all! :rolleyes:
I am gradually getting desperate and simply refuse to look into Wolfgang's eyes!
Nice arse, shame about the face! :sick: :grin: 
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 13 October 2010, 19:18
Can not believe the pervs on this thread. So me!
The cost of the Xenon housings will be 739,00 euro as long as some extra bits and pieces are ordered from them. Bigger discounts if more people order. It is in my nature to bargain and I have noticed from past dealings, Germans cave-in to my overtures surprisingly easily. :grin:
They are a soft and kind people IMO. 
Latest Xenons will only be available December onwards. Hope the exchange rate improves. We will know how Sterling fares after the Spending Review. You see, the SR has an impact on us all! :rolleyes:
I am gradually getting desperate and simply refuse to look into Wolfgang's eyes!
Nice arse, shame about the face! :sick: :grin: 


What do you get for the 739,- euro?
Only the xenon's?
And do they have DRL??
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: stokeballoon on 13 October 2010, 19:20
Can not believe the pervs on this thread. So me!
The cost of the Xenon housings will be 739,00 euro as long as some extra bits and pieces are ordered from them. Bigger discounts if more people order. It is in my nature to bargain and I have noticed from past dealings, Germans cave-in to my overtures surprisingly easily. :grin:
They are a soft and kind people IMO. 
Latest Xenons will only be available December onwards. Hope the exchange rate improves. We will know how Sterling fares after the Spending Review. You see, the SR has an impact on us all! :rolleyes:
I am gradually getting desperate and simply refuse to look into Wolfgang's eyes!
Nice arse, shame about the face! :sick: :grin: 

Snallow Hal! :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 13 October 2010, 19:25
Can not believe the pervs on this thread. So me!
The cost of the Xenon housings will be 739,00 euro as long as some extra bits and pieces are ordered from them. Bigger discounts if more people order. It is in my nature to bargain and I have noticed from past dealings, Germans cave-in to my overtures surprisingly easily. :grin:
They are a soft and kind people IMO. 
Latest Xenons will only be available December onwards. Hope the exchange rate improves. We will know how Sterling fares after the Spending Review. You see, the SR has an impact on us all! :rolleyes:
I am gradually getting desperate and simply refuse to look into Wolfgang's eyes!
Nice arse, shame about the face! :sick: :grin: 
Snallow Hal! :grin:

You mean Shallow Hal. Nothing like a very, very big bucksome lady to abuse one eh? Perv.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 13 October 2010, 19:30
What do you get for the 739,- euro?
Only the xenon's?
And do they have DRL??

Ron this is all your fault!
The housings will come with the LED DRLs.

(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/ledXenon.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 13 October 2010, 19:48
But are they complete and plug and play?
Including bulbs and control unit? (was that nr. 1 to nr. 4 in your list??)

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 13 October 2010, 20:02
But are they complete and plug and play?
Including bulbs and control unit? (was that nr. 1 to nr. 4 in your list??)

No they are not plug and play. Only the housings for 739,00 euro, maybe more with the new ones. Another 300,00 to 500,00 euro approx for the bits 'n pieces. It all depends if you want auto levelling, cornering control etc.

Will know much more when the new lights are released.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 15 October 2010, 21:57
I might as well be at it, as they're all at it. :rolleyes:
Soon be common as muck. :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 16 October 2010, 17:19
What do you get for the 739,- euro?
Only the xenon's?
And do they have DRL??

Ron this is all your fault!
The housings will come with the LED DRLs.

(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/ledXenon.jpg)

Anyone check what else is different?
control unit, Bulb holders etc?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 16 October 2010, 17:22
The control units and bulbs are the same  :smiley:

The bit I am not 100% sure about is if my central electric control module will fully support the new lights.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 23 October 2010, 11:48
I wonder when SteveP will be getting the new LED DRL Xenons.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 23 October 2010, 12:02
I wonder how long before they do DRLs something like this for the mk6
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DAYTIME-DRIVING-LIGHTS-FOG-GRILLES-GOLF-MK5-GTi-NEW-/350405864658?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5195d12cd2
(Ive seen the other ones Am1w posted before. http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=169531.msg1574404#msg1574404 ) but i do like the golf R and skoda vRS ones better than the new inlight DRL ones as the new ones will prob have to be like the audi ones were they turn off or go dull so you can see the indicator.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 23 October 2010, 12:40
I wonder when SteveP will be getting the new LED DRL Xenons.

Just been to the dealers and the ETA is now end of the month but it's showing as supplier backorder so will likely to be a bit longer.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 23 October 2010, 13:18
Can't wait for you to put 'em on or see if they are compatible.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 30 October 2010, 10:11
Damn i so want a set of these DRL Day time running lights for the mk6 GTI   :cry:

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,20738.45.html

http://www.dkimotor.com/index.htm

http://www.automechanika.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/exhibitor.contact.html/dki-international-co-ltd.html

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 30 October 2010, 10:18
Yep other than the slightly dodgy wiring they look great  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 30 October 2010, 10:21
The wiring and controlling is the easy part to sort :nerd: :smiley: :cool:



Im still trying to figure out what grills these other ones they offer fit  :undecided:

http://www.automechanika.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/exhibitor.collection.html/dki-international-co-ltd/all.html

(Non look mk6 sadly)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 05 November 2010, 19:47
Any news?

Am I correct in thinking that not a single member has retro fitted genuine xenon's?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 05 November 2010, 19:53
Any news?

Am I correct in thinking that not a single member has retro fitted genuine xenon's?

Not a member but do know of someone who has retro fitted the golf r ones but last I heard he was having issues with the full beam not working.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 05 November 2010, 19:54
Any news?
Am I correct in thinking that not a single member has retro fitted genuine xenon's?

I think you maybe on the money on this one. We are patiently waiting for Mr. SteveP to fettle his with the latest. The flood gates will then open! :grin:
Not long to go as BW45 starts on Monday!

Whoops: X Post!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 05 November 2010, 20:05
There was a black Cat D GTI up for sale on Autotrader the other day that had the R lights both front and rear fitted. That car is an 09 plate and has the black front Xenons retro fitted. So if they are fitted to that car they should fit others (?)



And some not very tasteful red highlighting to the front end too.....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201044371988889/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-age/up_to_1_year_old/colour/black/engine-size-cars/2l_to_2-5l/fuel-type/petrol/model/golf/make/volkswagen/radius/1500/page/1/keywords/gti%20/postcode/ex27xx?logcode=p
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 06 November 2010, 20:56
Yes, your correct AND it has the headlamp adjuster in the cabin so it hasn't had Xenons from factory.....
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 06 November 2010, 20:59
Where are you located Stevep?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 06 November 2010, 21:20
Northamptonshre  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mac7 on 06 November 2010, 23:54
I saw a set of the LED DRL's on VW's electric Golf at the Future Car Challenge today - I wasn't keen on them personally, but here's a pic for you anyway.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/mac7/Image119.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 November 2010, 10:43
Must admit, it looks quite strange in that picture. :undecided:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 07 November 2010, 10:44
^  :huh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 11 November 2010, 21:11
Priced the headlamps only today at £342 less 10% Doc discount - still not available but I will be ordering a set ASAP for a "plug and play install" ie not bending or self leveling.

If anyone would like to come and help / throw your 2p's worth in it would be appreciated  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 11 November 2010, 21:47
Mine are on order already (have been for 3 weeks), latest update is they are due next week  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 11 November 2010, 21:49
YES YES YES  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: HA54SYM` on 12 November 2010, 13:18
Are they really plug and play fitting though for non Xenon cars?

Dave
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 12 November 2010, 18:38
No, but they will be by the time I've finished  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 12 November 2010, 19:05
I'm going for the whole shebang: auto levelling, cornering.
Just want to see how SteveP gets along. Then I'll buy mine.
Should have them fitted, I hope, before Christmas.

Next year tyres and re-map. Then I'll stop for good! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 12 November 2010, 19:08
If you don't have xenons has standard you will need the new cecm,  I tried an install but could not get the high beams to activate even with the wires in the cecm has per kufatecs instructions.

Steve should be fine has he already has xenons :wink:

The bytes is there in the cecm but when you tick and save it it doesn't work.

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 12 November 2010, 19:13
If you don't have xenons has standard you will need the new cecm,  I tried an install but could not get the high beams to activate even with the wires in the cecm has per kufatecs instructions.
Steve should be fine has he already has xenons :wink:
The bytes is there in the cecm but when you tick and save it it doesn't work.
Darren

You mean the Central Electric Control Module. That means the dash will have to be removed? Fcuk that for a game of soldiers then! :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 12 November 2010, 19:15
If you don't have xenons has standard you will need the new cecm,  I tried an install but could not get the high beams to activate even with the wires in the cecm has per kufatecs instructions.
Steve should be fine has he already has xenons :wink:
The bytes is there in the cecm but when you tick and save it it doesn't work.
Darren

You mean the Central Electric Control Module. That means the dash will have to be removed? Fcuk that for a game of soldiers then! :grin:

No not removed Asker just the cecm which is accessible via removal of the plastics under the steering column, Not a big job at all.

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 12 November 2010, 19:24
If you don't have xenons has standard you will need the new cecm,  I tried an install but could not get the high beams to activate even with the wires in the cecm has per kufatecs instructions.
Steve should be fine has he already has xenons :wink:
The bytes is there in the cecm but when you tick and save it it doesn't work.
Darren
You mean the Central Electric Control Module. That means the dash will have to be removed? Fcuk that for a game of soldiers then! :grin:
No not removed Asker just the cecm which is accessible via removal of the plastics under the steering column, Not a big job at all.
Darren

Bring on the cavalry then!
It's going to be a military operation.
Might have to wait for the weather to improve.
I can get all the bits and pieces installed by the fitter in the bodyshop. He's done these before. He told me that I needed a new CECM.  I did'nt believe him!
However, will need you for the CECM installation etc. Is this ok?
I'll PM you my shopping list now! It's quite detailed.
Correct it if you wish, please. :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 12 November 2010, 19:50
Ill have a browse through it and let you know if any thing needs changing :smiley:

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 12 November 2010, 20:15
Darren, would I have to do a full install or just the adapter from ze germans plus this control unit?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 13 November 2010, 01:00
Darren, would I have to do a full install or just the adapter from ze germans plus this control unit?

If your not bothered about leveling Doc then yes just the controller, lights and kufatec adapter for the mk6.

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 13 November 2010, 08:02
Darren, would I have to do a full install or just the adapter from ze germans plus this control unit?

If your not bothered about leveling Doc then yes just the controller, lights and kufatec adapter for the mk6.

Darren

Cool, sounds a bit more me  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 13 November 2010, 11:30
Darren,
Can I start off with a plug and play to start with, just like Doc? I can then have the auto levellers and the EUCM installed (for the cornering) can't I?
Therefore, I can have the Xenons installed in 2 parts?
What do you think?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 14 November 2010, 21:49
Course you can Asker, Thats how I started and most people do the same so not a problem :smiley:

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 16 November 2010, 16:49
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/ronzuid/golf-6-xenon-led-tfl-gti2-4396584649127979840.jpg)

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/ronzuid/golf-6-xenon-led-tfl-gti1-3866383604358317474.jpg)

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/ronzuid/golf-6-xenon-led-tfl-gti-1734149264328417206.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 16 November 2010, 17:24
TBH the LEDs on the xenons don't really do anything for me, IMO they look like rather cheap add ons. :sick:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 16 November 2010, 17:51
TBH the LEDs on the xenons don't really do anything for me, IMO they look like rather cheap add ons. :sick:

Sorry darling, but I love them to bits. Fabulous jewellry. I want, I want and I'll have!! :cool:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 16 November 2010, 17:53
am1w  ,

535 euro a piece......
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 16 November 2010, 17:57
am1w  ,
535 euro a piece......

I can source them more cheaply. Give you details when I do it.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 16 November 2010, 17:58
am1w  ,
535 euro a piece......

I can source them more cheaply. Give you details when I do it.

Thanks!!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Danno on 16 November 2010, 18:37
I think those built in LEDS look cool. Wish the R had them, might stop people flashing me thinking I left my foggies on..
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 16 November 2010, 18:44
TBH the LEDs on the xenons don't really do anything for me, IMO they look like rather cheap add ons. :sick:

Sorry darling, but I love them to bits. Fabulous jewellry. I want, I want and I'll have!! :cool:

I'm with you on this one Asker, can't wait for mine.

Been on order for 5 weeks already :angry:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 16 November 2010, 18:47
I'm with you on this one Asker, can't wait for mine.
Been on order for 5 weeks already :angry:

They really, really look the business IMO. Very chic.
Can't wait for mine too.
We'll talk through PMs. :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: rjwojcik on 16 November 2010, 19:48
I like the fact that the DRLs are intergrated within the headlamp, the strips that you see on Mercs, Golf R et al just seem like an after thought combined from Halfrauds.   :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 16 November 2010, 20:01
I saw someone with a white LED in his reverse light......does anyone know wich bulb i need to order and were?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 16 November 2010, 22:30
TBH the LEDs on the xenons don't really do anything for me, IMO they look like rather cheap add ons. :sick:

Sorry darling, but I love them to bits. Fabulous jewellry. I want, I want and I'll have!! :cool:

Bling meister   :tongue: :kiss:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 16 November 2010, 22:34
TBH the LEDs on the xenons don't really do anything for me, IMO they look like rather cheap add ons. :sick:
Sorry darling, but I love them to bits. Fabulous jewellry. I want, I want and I'll have!! :cool:
Bling meister   :tongue: :kiss:

At long last Wolfgang will wear designer spectacles to match his designer knob and botoxed rump!  :tongue: :laugh: :kiss:

Goodnight. :kiss: :kiss: +++++
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 17 November 2010, 06:43
Im not keen on Christmas tree lights on cars but you'd be foolish to buy the old spec when you can have the latest spec.

I'll be going all bling too as they'll match my standard rear LEDs :-;
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gizzywizzy on 17 November 2010, 10:53
TBH the LEDs on the xenons don't really do anything for me, IMO they look like rather cheap add ons. :sick:
Sorry darling, but I love them to bits. Fabulous jewellry. I want, I want and I'll have!! :cool:
Bling meister   :tongue: :kiss:

At long last Wolfgang will wear designer spectacles to match his designer knob!  :tongue: :laugh: :kiss:

Goodnight. :kiss: :kiss: +++++

Should have gone to Specsavers :laugh: :kiss:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 24 November 2010, 13:58
Maybe we need this site for help in the future, coding is needed;

http://www.golfvigti.com/topic.php?t=2127 (http://www.golfvigti.com/topic.php?t=2127)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: MAW73 on 02 December 2010, 09:07
I came across these guys searching about on the internet who can retrofit genunine vw xenons. They also do sat nav, cruise control etc..... Has anyone used them??

Xenons

http://www.vwcruise.com/51.html

Cruise Control

http://www.vwcruise.com/127.html



Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 02 December 2010, 10:08
My 2p's worth is that you won't be able to adjust them without the whole shooting match fitted. Hazzy days said the same as the levelling on the xenons is part if the multiplex in the car where the halogens are not.

Could be wrong but that's what I've been told.

HD charge an eyewatering £1600 for xenons fitted plus another £700 if you want auto leveling and cornering.

I had oem touran xenon's that I fitted to my caddy van and I couldn't adjust the beam in that either, was fine as the weight in the rear was constant, I didn't have any problems with people flashing etc Si it was all good.

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 04 December 2010, 18:46
Look what arrived for me today(excuse the rubbish PiePhone pics)  :cool:

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/6ecb2c12.jpg)

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/ba3d2f84.jpg)

Just the one from VW so far, weird how there ordering system works  :rolleyes:

The other light should be here within the next 10 days.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: GolfTi on 04 December 2010, 18:49
Just the one??

Should give your car a nice squint :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 04 December 2010, 18:50
Half lucky!
Very lucky in my eyes.
I am soooo jealous.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimble on 04 December 2010, 19:37
Cool beans! Strange, it almost looks sad in the box! I'm sure it'll cheer up when it's fitted :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 05 December 2010, 08:46
I'm really looking forward to getting a set of these :-)

Do you have xenons fitted now?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: HA54SYM` on 06 December 2010, 09:02
Is there a part number yet for the Golf R black ones? or are they not doing them?

Dave
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Danno on 07 December 2010, 21:31
Is there a part number yet for the Golf R black ones? or are they not doing them?

Dave

I dont think they do them with the LEDS built into the lamp unit
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 December 2010, 21:41
Is there a part number yet for the Golf R black ones? or are they not doing them?
Dave
I dont think they do them with the LEDS built into the lamp unit

[1] Part No 5K2 941 753 D Left  and  [2] Part No 5K2 941 754 D Right

For UK left hand traffic.

No smoked ones, as The Danno says.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 11 December 2010, 18:10
I'm really looking forward to getting a set of these :-)

Do you have xenons fitted now?

Craig Steve has factory xenons already so will be just swapping the lights over.

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 11 December 2010, 18:18
Thanks Darren.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 13 December 2010, 12:06
Still missing my xenon's  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Sam on 13 December 2010, 12:13
Thought it was illegal to install xenon's without the self levelling kit?  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 13 December 2010, 12:19
You can fit that anyhow  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Sam on 13 December 2010, 12:24
You can fit that anyhow  :wink:

Ah so all of you 'have' fitted the self leveling too yes?  :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 13 December 2010, 12:26
Nobody has retro fitted xenon's here yet - seems were going down the full OEM route ie self level and swiveling with christmass tree blingy LED's.....
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 13 December 2010, 12:38
I am going for the lot. They will even wink at the girls and spit on/in the boys or is it the other way around? :undecided:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: sundaydriver on 13 December 2010, 15:34
I am going for the lot. They will even wink at the girls and spit on/in the boys or is it the other way around? :undecided:

Have you a price yet on the full works? and who's fitting them for you?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 13 December 2010, 16:06
I am going for the lot. They will even wink at the girls and spit on/in the boys or is it the other way around? :undecided:
Have you a price yet on the full works? and who's fitting them for you?

Yes sir, I have, and I will PM you the 'list of lists' for Bi-Xenon retro-fitting because I really ike you and you drive a GTI. :grin:

On its way now!

PS: Darren will be doing the honours, I hope. :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: sundaydriver on 13 December 2010, 17:45
PM gratefully recieved.

Thanks Asker. :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 13 December 2010, 17:59
I am going for the lot. They will even wink at the girls and spit on/in the boys or is it the other way around? :undecided:
Have you a price yet on the full works? and who's fitting them for you?

Yes sir, I have, and I will PM you the 'list of lists' for Bi-Xenon retro-fitting because I really ike you and you drive a GTI. :grin:

On its way now!

PS: Darren will be doing the honours, I hope. :smiley:

As you clearly hate me and my GTD how the hell did I get one off you?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 13 December 2010, 18:00
FYI had a price of £1500 all in fitted incl leveling and cornering.  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 13 December 2010, 18:15
Doc: I'll PM you as well if you so wish and if you feel left out. :kiss:
£1500 all in is about right.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 13 December 2010, 18:17
I am going for the lot. They will even wink at the girls and spit on/in the boys or is it the other way around? :undecided:
Have you a price yet on the full works? and who's fitting them for you?
Yes sir, I have, and I will PM you the 'list of lists' for Bi-Xenon retro-fitting because I really ike you and you drive a GTI. :grin:
On its way now!
PS: Darren will be doing the honours, I hope. :smiley:
As you clearly hate me and my GTD how the hell did I get one off you?

Love ya. My rear hurts! :cry:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 13 December 2010, 18:28
Is that a come on?  :grin:

Literally lol
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Sam on 13 December 2010, 18:47
Woaahhhhhhh £1500!?!??!?!?!?  :laugh:

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 18 December 2010, 18:31
Hi SteveP.
Any further progress with the new Bi-Xenons?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 19 December 2010, 19:41
Haven't had time to chase it up, but will be this week  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 19 December 2010, 20:47
Will you be selling your old units?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 19 December 2010, 20:47
Yep
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 19 December 2010, 21:09
I'll pm you for a price  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Belix on 31 December 2010, 18:15
Can ya PM me a price too please Steve?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 31 December 2010, 18:17
Can ya PM me a price too please Steve?

Sooooo tempted to delete this  :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 31 December 2010, 18:21
This thread has come back to haunt me!

No dosh left for Xenons due to tyre and wheel craze: until next week!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 31 December 2010, 18:24
Can ya PM me a price too please Steve?

Sooooo tempted to delete this  :grin:

:laugh:

I am not even sure I will be selling the old ones as yet and as such don't have a price for my old ones, but The Doc has first refusal  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 31 December 2010, 18:26
Steve, I thought it was Kenny or moi.
How things change. :evil:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 31 December 2010, 18:29
Thought you were after the LED versions Asker?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 31 December 2010, 18:31
I thought too, but I have changed my mind for the New Year. :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 31 December 2010, 18:33
Kenny has gone to the darkside with aftermarket HID's and you won't settle for the non LED's one  :tongue:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 31 December 2010, 18:41
I am really concerned that  Ess_three will reiterate the Blingmiester accusation with even  greater gusto. :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 31 December 2010, 18:58
Aftermarket was my only opition, was costing wayyyyy too much for a set of lights! Could go away on holiday for the same price. Aftermarket lights have been great and so has the beam cut off, not had any bother with police or flashing and the look much better too  :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 31 December 2010, 19:01
I so need xenons on that golf of mine  :sad:

Have you got your other lamp yet SteveP?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 31 December 2010, 19:03
I so need xenons on that golf of mine  :sad:

Have you got your other lamp yet SteveP?

Nope, due in on the 10th Jan  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 31 December 2010, 19:04
Ok then Doc. Your need is greater than mine. I hereby relinquish my claim. :kiss:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 31 December 2010, 19:06
Standard h7 bulb vs ring 100 bulb
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/kenny1601/mtec.jpg)

hids4u h7r xenon kit bulb cut off

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/kenny1601/34a7427f.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/kenny1601/49db2515.jpg)

recently changed to hids4u h7 xenon bulbs

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/kenny1601/849f13c6.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 31 December 2010, 19:11
Kenny, thet look very good for non eom  :wink:

Ok then Doc. Your need is greater than mine. I hereby relinquish my claim. :kiss:

Thanks mate, but you were so after xenons long before I even had a MK6, Please offer them to Asker first  :smiley:

All the cars I've had over the last 10 years have hed xenons and I miss them so much, having said that I dont really use the golf of an evening or weekend.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 31 December 2010, 19:53
Doc: My Blackberry and I definitely don't want Bi-Xenons just yet. Honestly, really. I've spent enough and have dipped into my cosmetic surgery savings for my Brazillian adventure. Thank you for being so kind and considerate.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 06 January 2011, 09:56
Finally the LED Xenon's have arrived at the dealers, roll out Sunday to get them fitted  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 06 January 2011, 10:18
Finally the LED Xenon's have arrived at the dealers, roll out Sunday to get them fitted  :smiley:

JEALOUS++++++ :grin:
I hate you, Steve.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 06 January 2011, 14:54
Finally the LED Xenon's have arrived at the dealers, roll out Sunday to get them fitted  :smiley:

JEALOUS++++++

JEALOUS +1
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: MAW73 on 06 January 2011, 15:09
Finally the LED Xenon's have arrived at the dealers, roll out Sunday to get them fitted  :smiley:

+ 1 Very Jealous.... and looking forward to seeing them in the flesh fitted to you car.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: MKVI_Gti on 06 January 2011, 19:29
Steve P was wonering how much these cost you? also i already have xenons fitted to my car just now and want these ones with the drls so was wondering is there much work involved to get them fitted? i know this is a bit off topic but i got my rear lights changed to the golf r ones and its showing up on my car that the rear fog is out but its working, do u know what could be causing this? i appologise if i have posted this in the wrong place, still new to this
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 06 January 2011, 19:52
Cost wise it's £374 +vat per headlight from UK dealers.

As or the rear LEDs have you coded the car for them? If so what version of the central electrics module do you have?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: MKVI_Gti on 06 January 2011, 20:05
are the drls a hastle to fit or is it plug and play?

i have the earlier central electrics module as my car is an 09 reg
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 06 January 2011, 20:12
are the drls a hastle to fit or is it plug and play?

i have the earlier central electrics module as my car is an 09 reg

The headlights are a direct swap over, so a couple of hours work.

The early CEMs don't support the rear LEDs but if your car has factory xenon's then it should work fine with coding 04 (mine is an early 09 and it works)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 06 January 2011, 20:25
I want the Xenons but not just yet.
Have decided not to have the auto-levelling or the cornering functions. Just want the LED DRL Xenons for their looks. :embarassed:
Will I need a new CEM/CCM for this basic fit?
You know how wierd my car was to get the rear LEDs to function. :rolleyes:
BTW the smoked rears are really beautiful.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 06 January 2011, 21:48
No CEM replacement required for basic install.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 06 January 2011, 22:08
No CEM replacement required for basic install.

Thanks Steve. Thats good news and a load off my mind. :smiley:
Can the manual leveller be used with them?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 07 January 2011, 16:32
^^ The adjustment wheel can't be used with the Xenon's.

Guess what I have been doing this afternoon  :laugh: :laugh:

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3296.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 January 2011, 16:38
You lucky lush. Can't wait for the pictures! Jealous +++.

Then it HAS to have auto-levellers. I might as well go for the whole hog then when I am ready. Oh, what a pain.

Thanks Steve.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 07 January 2011, 16:42
All installed, just need to sort the coding or possibly update the CEM not sure yet.

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3300.jpg)

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3301.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 January 2011, 16:48
Really excited for you, DOC and myself.

Have you considered a Group Buy if there is enough interest?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 07 January 2011, 17:00
Super!!
Howmuch did they cost? Groupbuy??
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 07 January 2011, 17:03
We won't get enough interest for a GB. Full kit at UK prices Inc the CEM will be £1000+, I will price it all up later today.

As stuff like the bulbs are over £120 at the dealers vs. £40 on eBay.de for example.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 07 January 2011, 17:05
Thanks Steve,

no GB, how does't come i think your much cheaper as my dealer in The Netherlands?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 07 January 2011, 21:23
I think your gonna need the new cecm has I have already done a xenon swap on a mk6 and the bi xenon didn't work even with the wires in the right pins on the cecm :cry:

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 07 January 2011, 21:27
For the dutch guys among us, what is a cecm ? :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 07 January 2011, 21:32
I think your gonna need the new cecm has I have already done a xenon swap on a mk6 and the bi xenon didn't work even with the wires in the right pins on the cecm :cry:

Darren

If it was an 087A BCM (early MY09 Mk6) then it wouldn't but I think Asker has the later 087F so he might be lucky  :wink:
 
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 January 2011, 21:36
I think your gonna need the new cecm has I have already done a xenon swap on a mk6 and the bi xenon didn't work even with the wires in the right pins on the cecm :cry:
Darren
If it was an 087A BCM (early MY09 Mk6) then it wouldn't but I think Asker has the later 087F so he might be lucky  :wink:

Lucky? What's that? :rolleyes:
I do hope I have the F one.
Roll on Spring and fix my eyes. :grin:

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 07 January 2011, 21:49
Doc want xenons  :sad:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 07 January 2011, 21:53
Doc want xenons  :sad:

Me want too.
If I sell my wheels and Bridgestone tyres, I'll start on my Xenon trip sooner than you think.
I know one other person who wants them as I've just spoken to him.
Could a GB happen?

I was under the impression that one needed this for the LED DRL Bi-Xenons?
Part No 5K0 937 087D Z6P - 1 x network control unit = £250 for new LED DRL Xenons

Steve: They look the business. Congratulations. Green with envy.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 10 January 2011, 08:57
^^^ I am not 100% yet on the correct part number for the BCM/CEM. Mine for example is 1K0 937 087D but has software version 0573, it needs to be above 0575 to support LED Xenon's, latest 2011 MY cars seam to have version 0615.

I will working on getting the correct version part number for UK cars today.

So my Old Xenon's and a CEM are now available for sale if anyone is interested  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 10 January 2011, 09:38
^^^ I am not 100% yet on the correct part number for the BCM/CEM. Mine for example is 1K0 937 087D but has software version 0573, it needs to be above 0575 to support LED Xenon's, latest 2011 MY cars seam to have version 0615.
I will working on getting the correct version part number for UK cars today.
So my Old Xenon's and a CEM are now available for sale if anyone is interested  :smiley:

Thank you Steve.  :smiley:

Doc: Your baby is the latest and will take any type of Bi ............Xenon. :grin:

I think I might have to follow Kenny and go to the dark side. :shocked: &  :sad:


Kenny, if you are reading, I am coming most probably to the dark side. But then again, I might change my mind as I regularly do! :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 10 January 2011, 09:40
How much are the xenons and what's been removed from them if anything (wishful thinking lol)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 10 January 2011, 09:48
^^^ I am not 100% yet on the correct part number for the BCM/CEM. Mine for example is 1K0 937 087D but has software version 0573, it needs to be above 0575 to support LED Xenon's, latest 2011 MY cars seam to have version 0615.
I will working on getting the correct version part number for UK cars today.
So my Old Xenon's and a CEM are now available for sale if anyone is interested  :smiley:

Thank you Steve.  :smiley:

Doc: Your baby is the latest and will take any type of Bi ............Xenon. :grin:

^^^ I wouldn't bet on any non-xenon car working with any type of xenon at the moment Asker, it does seam a lot of the BCM's just aren't wired for the xenon shutter control.

I have found the correct part number for the latest BCM that will support both rear LED's and the Front DRL LED Xenon's is 1K0 937 087 E Z0K and costs £249.52 inc VAT  :shocked:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 10 January 2011, 09:51
How much are the xenons and what's been removed from them if anything (wishful thinking lol)

Hi Doc, the lights are as the come from VW, so without bulbs, power supply/ballasts or cornering control modules.

I will PM you a price in a bit  :smiley:

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 10 January 2011, 11:52
OK, My plan is to glue ebay guts inside and botch shutter into old main beam and fit loads of resistors  :laugh:

Done it before on my Caddy - this is diffent I know but I've got to try  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: dave7268 on 15 January 2011, 11:46

Quote

^^^ I wouldn't bet on any non-xenon car working with any type of xenon at the moment Asker, it does seam a lot of the BCM's just aren't wired for the xenon shutter control.

I have found the correct part number for the latest BCM that will support both rear LED's and the Front DRL LED Xenon's is 1K0 937 087 E Z0K and costs £249.52 inc VAT  :shocked:

SteveP, would this BCM make my non-xenon '09 GT compatible for Front DRL LED's and fix that bulb out warning that I still have for the rear LEDs? or am I in a no-win situation?  :huh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 15 January 2011, 15:36
Does vagcom not get rid of the bulb out code?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 15 January 2011, 20:24
Does vagcom not get rid of the bulb out code?
Not for those of us with very early GTI builds  :sad:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 15 January 2011, 20:54
I have not really been following this thread of late  :embarassed: but im guessing the new BCM would also allow the use of 'main beam assist' thats suddenly cropped up on the price list.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 15 January 2011, 21:04
I have not really been following this thread of late  :embarassed: but im guessing the new BCM would also allow the use of 'main beam assist' thats suddenly cropped up on the price list.

Yep it would, but that's not a cheap retro fit (unsurprisingly I have been looking into it)  :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 15 January 2011, 21:05

Quote

^^^ I wouldn't bet on any non-xenon car working with any type of xenon at the moment Asker, it does seam a lot of the BCM's just aren't wired for the xenon shutter control.

I have found the correct part number for the latest BCM that will support both rear LED's and the Front DRL LED Xenon's is 1K0 937 087 E Z0K and costs £249.52 inc VAT  :shocked:

SteveP, would this BCM make my non-xenon '09 GT compatible for Front DRL LED's and fix that bulb out warning that I still have for the rear LEDs? or am I in a no-win situation?  :huh:

Yes it would  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gtd2010 on 15 January 2011, 23:41

I have xenons and the led drls on my gtd and i think they look really well :)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 16 January 2011, 09:49
Could some kind soul (Snoopy?) with non led xenons please post a few pictures of their headlamps as follows please:

1. Side lights only
2. DRL's on
3. Indicator on

Many thanks, thinking on a video would be even better  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 16 January 2011, 10:12

I have xenons and the led drls on my gtd and i think they look really well :)

You can't come on here and tease us like that, PICS required ASAP. I thank you.  :smiley:  :cool:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 16 January 2011, 10:21
Could some kind soul (Snoopy?) with non led xenons please post a few pictures of their headlamps as follows please:

1. Side lights only
2. DRL's on
3. Indicator on

Many thanks, thinking on a video would be even better  :wink:
I could except i disabled the DRL with VCDS and don't have a working labtop to enable them again.
They basically use the dipped main beam.

Oh hang on i may have a photo of the DRL from previously.

1. Sidelights only (triangle odd shaped bit only) (not on the LED version :wink: )
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/GolfGTIsidelight.jpg)

2. DRL use dipped beam xenon and side lights front and rear.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/GolfGTIDRL.jpg)

3. Indicator (The light next to the xenon). (poor quality as camera phone takes ages to scan and my camera went flat after the other one  :embarassed:)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/golfgtiindicator.jpg)


Hope that helps you out Doc.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: dave7268 on 16 January 2011, 10:37

Quote

^^^ I wouldn't bet on any non-xenon car working with any type of xenon at the moment Asker, it does seam a lot of the BCM's just aren't wired for the xenon shutter control.

I have found the correct part number for the latest BCM that will support both rear LED's and the Front DRL LED Xenon's is 1K0 937 087 E Z0K and costs £249.52 inc VAT  :shocked:

SteveP, would this BCM make my non-xenon '09 GT compatible for Front DRL LED's and fix that bulb out warning that I still have for the rear LEDs? or am I in a no-win situation?  :huh:

Yes it would  :smiley:

Oh sweet  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Now I just got to start saving up. Thanks Steve  :drool:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 16 January 2011, 10:45
It would indeed be good if we could get some firm prices for a full conversion.
And as an added bonus Dave ^^^ and myself could get rid of that confounded 'bulb out' light. Not that the light bothers me that much, but I like the thought of not having it there nagging me constantly (the woman in the seat to my left should have the sole responsibility of that job, I mean it's not as if I don't pay her enough for the priviledge  :huh: )
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: dave7268 on 16 January 2011, 11:01
It would indeed be good if we could get some firm prices for a full conversion.
And as an added bonus Dave ^^^ and myself could get rid of that confounded 'bulb out' light. Not that the light bothers me that much, but I like the thought of not having it there nagging me constantly (the woman in the seat to my left should have the sole responsibility of that job, I mean it's not as if I don't pay her enough for the priviledge  :huh: )

LOL, don't know how you put up with that mate!! x2 the nagging...argh!!

Hmmm, yes a firm price for the full conversion would help and dare I say it....."group buy"  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 16 January 2011, 15:11
Thanks for that Snoopy, I was wondering where the side light was.

So on a xenon equipped car the DRL's are the dipped beam or are they less bright?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 16 January 2011, 16:09
@Stevep,

can you tell me wich items i nedd to do a basic swap from standard headlights to xenon DRL headlights?

My GTi is from 7-2009.

So it's bassicly only the lights, i'm not planning to install headlight washer, auto leveller and things like that, i just want the xenon lights.

Thanks for your time,

greetings from Holland, Ron
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 16 January 2011, 17:05
Thanks for that Snoopy, I was wondering where the side light was.

So on a xenon equipped car the DRL's are the dipped beam or are they less bright?
side lights front and rear + Xenon dipped beam, they looks the same brightness to me.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 16 January 2011, 17:44
So basically DRL's are xenons on as I thought - thank you.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 16 January 2011, 18:25
Which is why i turned them off VCDS  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gtd2010 on 16 January 2011, 18:36
Sorry the pics arent the best but it gives everyone an idea.

(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad105/chrislad10/DSC00066.jpg)

(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad105/chrislad10/DSC00065.jpg)

(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad105/chrislad10/DSC00063.jpg)

(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad105/chrislad10/DSC00061.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 16 January 2011, 18:45
gtd2010:

You are a big tease and taunter. :grin:

Looks really lovely and I am bloody jealous.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: gtd2010 on 16 January 2011, 18:57
gtd2010:

You are a big tease and taunter. :grin:

Looks really lovely and I am bloody jealous.
:smiley: I'll try to get some better pics up tomorrow.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 16 January 2011, 22:51
I have found the correct part number for the latest BCM that will support both rear LED's and the Front DRL LED Xenon's is 1K0 937 087 E Z0K and costs £249.52 inc VAT  :shocked:

If I have this control unit am I better off buying the LED xenon's or will it make no difference?

TBH I'm not a great lover of LED's on the front as I'm mad  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 16 January 2011, 23:11
I have found the correct part number for the latest BCM that will support both rear LED's and the Front DRL LED Xenon's is 1K0 937 087 E Z0K and costs £249.52 inc VAT  :shocked:
If I have this control unit am I better off buying the LED xenon's or will it make no difference?
TBH I'm not a great lover of LED's on the front as I'm mad  :wink:

No not at all. Most people find them OTT!
Me: I AM THE BLINGMIESTER AND DON'T HAVE A LEG (OR ARM) TO STAND ON! :embarassed:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 16 January 2011, 23:13
1K0 937 086 H is what I have  :sad:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 17 January 2011, 06:28
Sorry the pics arent the best but it gives everyone an idea.


Thanks for posting them up.  :smiley:

Any chance of some 'whole car' ones so we can see what your pride and joy looks like properly.
Love the new style lights.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 17 January 2011, 06:32
I wonder what part no. my BCM is? Do you think the dealership could tell me by looking it up for my model or has it to be checked with the naked eye for each individual car?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 17 January 2011, 07:19
I was lazy and used VCDS :-)

If I can make the xenon's work ill try to make it a plug and play solution that hopefully won't require coding of any kind.

Using the non-xenon settings with resistors / can cancelling thingys fitted will hopefully mean I can use the main beam signal from the halogen settings to activate the shutters.

Key words being IF and HOPEFULLY  :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 17 January 2011, 08:33
^^^ It seams a bit hit and miss Doc which controllers do and don't support the Xenon's, the only thing i am sure of is D and E versions do work, and for LED xenon's you need software index of above 0575 and above.

Asker, you have version F in your car.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 17 January 2011, 08:41
http://www.golf-6.com/anleitung-biete/6014-anleitung-xenon-nachruesten.html

This guy on a german forum seems to of fitted xenons, and has a detailed describition of whats needed. Will need to copy and paste into a german to english translation, I recommend googles  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 17 January 2011, 08:42
^^^ It seams a bit hit and miss Doc which controllers do and don't support the Xenon's, the only thing i am sure of is D and E versions do work, and for LED xenon's you need software index of above 0575 and above.
Asker, you have version F in your car.

Thank you kind sir. Would this mean it will support the older type Xenons only or will I still need version 1K0 937 087 E Z0K for older and newer type Xenons?

Sorry to be such a ditz!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 17 January 2011, 08:56
Are you still going for the OEM fit Asker?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 17 January 2011, 09:00
Are you still going for the OEM fit Asker?  :rolleyes:

In March/April probably when I change Insurance company. My present Insurance company is hopeless. I also checked with others and they recommended I go for OEM to keep the premiun low. Also, my VW dealership would not be best pleased or cover me for any electrical problems if the Xenons were not VW ones.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 17 January 2011, 17:42
^^^ It seams a bit hit and miss Doc which controllers do and don't support the Xenon's, the only thing i am sure of is D and E versions do work, and for LED xenon's you need software index of above 0575 and above.

Asker, you have version F in your car.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 D    HW: 1K0 937 087 D
   Component: BCM PQ35  H   103 0575 
   Revision: 00103 AG

Im guessing mines D and high enough software version?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 17 January 2011, 18:15
^^^ Yes (damn you  :grin: :grin: :grin:)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 17 January 2011, 18:22
^^^ Yes (damn you  :grin: :grin: :grin:)

So mine is Fcuked. :cry:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 18 January 2011, 22:43
Steve: My F version won't support the older type Xenons either? So will I need to buy a new one for £250?

Doc: Have you had time today to install your Xenons?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 18 January 2011, 23:14
They were only posted today mate  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 19 January 2011, 07:46
Does the new LED Xenons have a different light switch?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 19 January 2011, 07:56
Steve: My F version won't support the older type Xenons either? So will I need to buy a new one for £250?

Doc: Have you had time today to install your Xenons?

It's unlikely to support Xenon's full stop, however on your original list of parts you had it down for £200 from the guy in Germany.

Does the new LED Xenons have a different light switch?

Good point, I haven't seen anyone in Germany replacing there switch when retro fitting. I will check ETKA tonight.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 19 January 2011, 07:58
I always wondered with them replacing the side light on the xenons with the LED shape i wonder if it still has a side light setting?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 19 January 2011, 12:23
Steve: Thank you for your reply.

These are the part Nos I have from Germany and the price was 266 Euros. I have neither in my car as I have an F version.

Part No 5K0 937 087 D Z6W  - 1 x network control unit = 266,60 euro
Part No 1K0 937 087 E Z1Z  - 1 x network control unit  = 266,60 euro
Part No 5K0 937 087 D Z6P - 1 x network control unit = £249.52 form you or Darren previously.

Are any of the above any good?

So I will have to buy Part No 1K0 937 087 E Z0K for £249.52 to support the LED DRL Bi-Xenons or Part No 1K0 937 087 D ... (like Snoopy's) for the older type Xenons.

Am I correct?
 
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 19 January 2011, 12:33
1K0 937 087 D supersedes to 1K0 937 087 E Z0K
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 19 January 2011, 12:36
1K0 937 087 D supersedes to 1K0 937 087 E Z0K

Thank you. This means that part of the dash will have to be removed to install this?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 19 January 2011, 12:38
Correct, but only the lower piece under the steering column around to the fuse box. Very easy to do.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 19 January 2011, 12:43
Correct, but only the lower piece under the steering column around to the fuse box. Very easy to do.

Thanks. Great. Now I am getting ready for the purchase in March/April when I change Insurance Company. They have really held me back for doing a bit more to the car.

I'll require your good services for purchasing, if you don't mind.

It never ends.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 19 January 2011, 20:19
Steve have you changed or got to the BCM yet cos I can recollect that the knee airbag needs to come out to get full access to the controller

Darren
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 19 January 2011, 20:37
Xenon's have landed - Thanks Steve - The work begins next week - Wish me luck  :undecided:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 19 January 2011, 20:43
Xenon's have landed - Thanks Steve - The work begins next week - Wish me luck  :undecided:

can't wait to see how this turns out! I hope all goes well, mind lots of pics of install! We love pics here!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 19 January 2011, 20:44
Steve have you changed or got to the BCM yet cos I can recollect that the knee airbag needs to come out to get full access to the controller

Darren

Controller arrived today, will be a project for Saturday morning.

Xenon's have landed - Thanks Steve - The work begins next week - Wish me luck  :undecided:

THanks for letting me know, any probs give me a shout  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimmymature on 19 January 2011, 21:12

Is it big money to retro Xenons?



JIm
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 19 January 2011, 21:16

Is it big money to retro Xenons?


Jim

Simple answer yes, to do properly is well over £1k, basic install for £750 ish  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 19 January 2011, 21:44
Dirty xenon porn.....

On my desk in work  :grin:

(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/2510/picture002go.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 20 January 2011, 07:13
^^^ Yes (damn you  :grin: :grin: :grin:)

Steve,

i read this on my vag.com, is that not good for DRL xenon?

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
>> Part No SW: 1K0 937 086 C HW: 1K0 937 086 C
>> Component: BCM PQ35 M 103 0537
>> Revision: 00103 AC
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 20 January 2011, 08:46
Dont think the C version is even good for normal xenons.

Whats a good price for 2nd hand xenon (Golf R) complete units i.e. ballasts, bulbs, burners etc.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 20 January 2011, 08:55
Dont think the C version is even good for normal xenons.
Whats a good price for 2nd hand xenon (Golf R) complete units i.e. ballasts, bulbs, burners etc.

Don't think that's any good either.

Kenny, my search begins in March/April. But I don't think there will be much of a price difference anymore due to the exchange rates. :sick: :sad: So I'll just get the lot from Steve. Saves a lot of hassle and one knows he'll get all the correct bit 'n pieces for my particular car which he knows inside-out. :rolleyes:

Should have done it when the pound (Steve's sir name is Pound!, no pun intended) was stronger. But my Insurance Company held me back.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 20 January 2011, 09:48
Ideally I would rather get 2nd hand xenons, then you generally will get the ballasts, bulbs, burners all with the unit.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 20 January 2011, 20:42
The magic controller finally arrives  :smiley:

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/27bac6dc.jpg)

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/57af3a57.jpg)

Roll on Saturday morning  :nerd:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 20 January 2011, 21:26
^^^ It seams a bit hit and miss Doc which controllers do and don't support the Xenon's, the only thing i am sure of is D and E versions do work, and for LED xenon's you need software index of above 0575 and above.

Asker, you have version F in your car.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 D    HW: 1K0 937 087 D
   Component: BCM PQ35  H   103 0575 
   Revision: 00103 AG

Im guessing mines D and high enough software version?
^^^ Yes (damn you  :grin: :grin: :grin:)
So i could get the LED Xenons.  :cool: hum :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 20 January 2011, 21:31
^^^ Yes (damn you  :grin: :grin: :grin:)
So i could get the LED Xenons.  :cool: hum :smiley:

Snoops, really? You're having us on? :shocked:
If you do, I'll buy your sloppy seconds. Following in Doc's footsteps. May I have first refusal, please? :smiley:
Now hurry up and make up your mind. :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 20 January 2011, 21:40
Snoops, really? You're having us on? :shocked:
If you do, I'll buy your sloppy seconds. Following in Doc's footsteps. May I have first refusal, please? :smiley:
Now hurry up and make up your mind. :lipsrsealed:
You can have first refusal but i think you will have xenons well before i even get to that stage as i want loads of other things first. For example R LED rear lights, TPMS, rear camera, heated washer jets, all those aero parts....
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 20 January 2011, 21:45
Snoops, really? You're having us on? :shocked:
If you do, I'll buy your sloppy seconds. Following in Doc's footsteps. May I have first refusal, please? :smiley:
Now hurry up and make up your mind. :lipsrsealed:
You can have first refusal but i think you will have xenons well before i even get to that stage as i want loads of other things first. For example R LED rear lights, TPMS, rear camera, heated washer jets, all those aero parts....

Christ. All due to your dealership being sh!te. :sick: :angry:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 20 January 2011, 21:50
Quote
For example R LED rear lights, TPMS, rear camera, heated washer jets, all those aero parts....
Christ. All due to your dealership being sh!te. :sick: :angry:
If my dealer had understood English, then done what VW throught was "A great idea to cheer yourself up about 4 month production delay". My spec would have included, ACC, TPMS, Winter pack, Lux pack, Cruise control, Parking sensors.
Which is why i want to retro a few bits, like the washer jets, cruise control, TPMS, rear camera. The R-rear-LEDS and Aero parts i would have fitted anyway.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimble on 20 January 2011, 22:13
I'm looking forward to next year when i haven't got a wedding and honeymoon to pay for and i can start adding some extras! I'm def getting an RNS with the help of Darren hopefully and rear LED's! :drool:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 20 January 2011, 22:21
I'm looking forward to next year when i haven't got a wedding and honeymoon to pay for and i can start adding some extras! I'm def getting an RNS with the help of Darren hopefully and rear LED's! :drool:

Now that's expensive. Very expensive and stressful. Leave it to the bride-to-be, I say. :evil: :grin:

When I got married, I had a huge begging bowl for my parents and in-laws. Otherwise, we would be on the streets. :sad: The divorce was even worse. All in the past now.

Back on topic: Xenons to my limited knowledge are one of the most expensive of the reasonable retro-fits. End up spending £1400-£1500 which is a huge amount of money. For that sum, you can Bluefin and fit many other bits n' pieces which you might find more useful, use more often and which would really make a worthwhile difference to your ownership experience.

So says the voice of reason who spent nearly £1000 on winter tyres and then stored them. :sick:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimble on 20 January 2011, 22:52
I dare'nt leave it to her indoors! i'd have to sell the GTI :grin: Xenons should be standard fit on a GTI without doubt, i really don't do enough miles on un-lit roads to justify spending the amount of money vw demand, having said that the standard halogens are shockingly poor! hence the reason i spent a very reasonable £25 on some Osram nightbreakers, Jobs a good un! :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 20 January 2011, 23:14
I dare'nt leave it to her indoors! i'd have to sell the GTI :grin: Xenons should be standard fit on a GTI without doubt, i really don't do enough miles on un-lit roads to justify spending the amount of money vw demand, having said that the standard halogens are shockingly poor! hence the reason i spent a very reasonable £25 on some Osram nightbreakers, Jobs a good un! :wink:

I think I'll have to go for these too. The present lights are truly rubbish. Might as well be off all the time. :sick: :angry:

Were they easy to replace? I am rubbish now with things like this due to age and bad arm.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimble on 20 January 2011, 23:50
Dead easy mate, you'll have no problems. :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 21 January 2011, 10:32
Dead easy mate, you'll have no problems. :wink:

Thanks.

I feel that Xenons are now crucial due to the sad state of our potholed roads as they will provide much better lighting for one to see their ever increasing numbers. My next car will def be specced with these from the factory.

For the time being, and urgently, I'll order the Osrams to provide me more light. It really has become quite a problem as the standard Halogens are worse than useless IMO.

Did you buy yours on-line?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 21 January 2011, 18:11
Quote from: SteveP
Controller arrived today, will be a project for Saturday morning.



Steve not sure if you have seen this post..

Quote
LED daytime running lights work on the new Golf 6 ab 45 / 2009 or bcm 1K0937087D or higher and a minimum program SW0575

all it takes to run (for those which you have the original xenon lights)

byte 11/bit2 deactivation daytime lights
byte 15/bit3 activation - part of the reduction of intensity at the flashing indicators
byte 15/bit6 activation
byte 15/bit7 activation
18 byte / value 04
byte 24/bit7 activated LED daytime running lights
byte 25 /% intensity daytime running lights
byte 26/bit2 activate
byte 27/bit2 activate

this coding could not do so coding has already been used on a golf 6, for me will come when the new lights to me.

that's it

This is for an american car so not sure if it is valid.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 21 January 2011, 18:40
Nice codes Steve, well found :-)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimble on 21 January 2011, 18:55
Dead easy mate, you'll have no problems. :wink:

Thanks.

I feel that Xenons are now crucial due to the sad state of our potholed roads as they will provide much better lighting for one to see their ever increasing numbers. My next car will def be specced with these from the factory.

For the time being, and urgently, I'll order the Osrams to provide me more light. It really has become quite a problem as the standard Halogens are worse than useless IMO.

Did you buy yours on-line?



Yes mate, got them from powerbulbs and used the forum discount! Only ordered these in particular as they were named the best buy by auto express. :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 21 January 2011, 20:36
Quote
LED daytime running lights work on the new Golf 6 ab 45 / 2009 or bcm 1K0937087D or higher and a minimum program SW0575

all it takes to run (for those which you have the original xenon lights)

byte 11/bit2 deactivation daytime lights
byte 15/bit3 activation - part of the reduction of intensity at the flashing indicators
byte 15/bit6 activation
byte 15/bit7 activation
18 byte / value 04
byte 24/bit7 activated LED daytime running lights
byte 25 /% intensity daytime running lights
byte 26/bit2 activate
byte 27/bit2 activate

this coding could not do so coding has already been used on a golf 6, for me will come when the new lights to me.

that's it
As soon as someone tests this and confirms it for RHD UK models we will put it in the tech section. :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 21 January 2011, 20:59
^^^ I will confirm tomorrow  :smiley:

I have a slightly different set of coding options but the main bits are the same.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 21 January 2011, 21:04
Thanks. Is the wiring different too?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 21 January 2011, 21:07
Nope
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Belix on 22 January 2011, 16:30
Was just tailed by a new GTi with LEDs I'm assuming factory fitted as it had no plates yet. Was through a tree lined road, and noticed that when in sunlight, only LEDs on, but when in a dark patch, LEDs dimmed to about half brightness, xenon's came on.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 22 January 2011, 20:11
Let there be light  :cool:

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3375.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 22 January 2011, 20:17
...and there was light.
Lots of it. Congrats.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Belix on 22 January 2011, 20:19
All go smoothly, or hit some bumps in the road? Do they work as described above?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 22 January 2011, 20:19
nice  :wink:

May I ask which bulb type is in the main xenon unit please (D1S I think but not 100%) Steve and do you twist them into place or do I require a mounting bezel to hold them in.

Cheers Doc
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 22 January 2011, 20:25
Request  :evil:
for some photos tomorrow of DRL lights in daylight mode in daylight to see how bright they are to oncoming traffic. Are they Audi eye killers or Merc im here looking or dullish.

Have you got the coding workout too, or still experimenting?

An expensive mod at ~£897.60 + control unit  :cool:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 22 January 2011, 20:41
nice  :wink:

May I ask which bulb type is in the main xenon unit please (D1S I think but not 100%) Steve and do you twist them into place or do I require a mounting bezel to hold them in.

Cheers Doc

Yep D1S's which just twist in  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 22 January 2011, 20:45
Request  :evil:
for some photos tomorrow of DRL lights in daylight mode in daylight to see how bright they are to oncoming traffic. Are they Audi eye killers or Merc im here looking or dullish.

Have you got the coding workout too, or still experimenting?

An expensive mod at ~£897.60 + control unit  :cool:

Just to 100% check the coding tomorrow, but all looks good so far  :smiley:

More pics as requested: -

Night Shots

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3377.jpg)

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3378.jpg)

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3379.jpg)

And the Daytime ones

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3370.jpg)

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3371.jpg)

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3372.jpg)

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3373.jpg)

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3374.jpg)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 22 January 2011, 20:47
Camp!
Perfect for me. :grin:

I am in love again. :cool:

We are all going to end up broke but happy. :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 22 January 2011, 20:50
Thanks Steve.

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3371.jpg)

Hum im not sure of them  :undecided:, I guess i will have to go have a look at some at the dealers in real life as im guessing like the rear ones they prob look far better in real life.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 22 January 2011, 20:51
nice  :wink:

May I ask which bulb type is in the main xenon unit please (D1S I think but not 100%) Steve and do you twist them into place or do I require a mounting bezel to hold them in.

Cheers Doc

Yep D1S's which just twist in  :smiley:

Many thanks  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: mike. on 22 January 2011, 20:54
Looking good Steve, youv'e got me thinking about the upgrade again  :evil:

My Module is

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 086 C    HW: 1K0 937 086 C
   Component: BCM PQ35  M   103 0575 

So looks like I need a new one of those as well..
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 22 January 2011, 21:01
Looking good Steve, youv'e got me thinking about the upgrade again  :evil:

My Module is

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 086 C    HW: 1K0 937 086 C
   Component: BCM PQ35  M   103 0575 

So looks like I need a new one of those as well..

It's got the right software but for what ever reason VW make the xenon and non-xenon versions of the BCM  :undecided:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: golfgti5 on 23 January 2011, 07:25
Steve

if i upgarde my software to 575 the xenon's will work or do i still need a higher BCM??

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
>> Part No SW: 1K0 937 086 C HW: 1K0 937 086 C
>> Component: BCM PQ35 M 103 0537
>> Revision: 00103 AC
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 23 January 2011, 08:58
You will need a new BCM mate, you have same version as me.

When u doing your install Doc?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 23 January 2011, 10:19
I ordered all manor of fitting goodies yesterday.

Kufatec halogen to xenon leads.
2x canbus cancel adapter things.
A number of high capacity resistors with various ratings as I'll have to "kid" the car that it still has main beam / DRL's - I'll try coding of course but I don't hold out much hope.
2x Aftermarket H11 ballasts.
2x H11 bulbs.

My plan is nothing like a factory fit as I'm trying to do a plug and play solution that I can take the lights onto my next golf or pull them off and sell them if I'm not getting along with them

The use of resistors *should* enable me to use the original, non xenon BCM to operate the xenon shutters.

Theory vs reality can be a pain in the a55 so let's see  :wink:

I'll let you know when the bits land then I just need a clear day in work to mess about  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: dave7268 on 23 January 2011, 14:51
Looks fantastic Steve!!  :drool:

How much of a hassle were they to fit along with the new bcm?

Must now consult with the bank manager as I defo want them  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 25 January 2011, 12:02
I dare'nt leave it to her indoors! i'd have to sell the GTI :grin: Xenons should be standard fit on a GTI without doubt, i really don't do enough miles on un-lit roads to justify spending the amount of money vw demand, having said that the standard halogens are shockingly poor! hence the reason i spent a very reasonable £25 on some Osram nightbreakers, Jobs a good un! :wink:

Bought these today as a stop gap measure.
http://www.powerbulbs.com/product_detail.asp?prod=192

Did you have an alignment check after your bulb change?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimmymature on 25 January 2011, 13:25
I dare'nt leave it to her indoors! i'd have to sell the GTI :grin: Xenons should be standard fit on a GTI without doubt, i really don't do enough miles on un-lit roads to justify spending the amount of money vw demand, having said that the standard halogens are shockingly poor! hence the reason i spent a very reasonable £25 on some Osram nightbreakers, Jobs a good un! :wink:

Bought these today as a stop gap measure.
http://www.powerbulbs.com/product_detail.asp?prod=192

Did you have an alignment check after your bulb change?

How much better are these bulbs than the standards?  Worth the cash?



Jim
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 25 January 2011, 13:42
These Philips bulbs and the Osram Nightbreaker Plus ones ARE considerably better than the standard Halogens which are frankly rubbish.

Jimble has the Osrams and can vouch for the improvement.

These Philips have just been released in H7. They use quartz glass instead of the ordinary glass that the Osrams have. They are supposed to be very slightly better than the Osrams but are not as good value.

However, neither of these bulbs are as good as HID lights.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: MAW73 on 25 January 2011, 13:47
I dare'nt leave it to her indoors! i'd have to sell the GTI :grin: Xenons should be standard fit on a GTI without doubt, i really don't do enough miles on un-lit roads to justify spending the amount of money vw demand, having said that the standard halogens are shockingly poor! hence the reason i spent a very reasonable £25 on some Osram nightbreakers, Jobs a good un! :wink:

Bought these today as a stop gap measure.
http://www.powerbulbs.com/product_detail.asp?prod=192

Did you have an alignment check after your bulb change?

How much better are these bulbs than the standards?  Worth the cash?



Jim

Jim
The Phillips ones get very good reviews however the Osram Nightbreakers I believe came out slightly better in the Autoexpress test. Not much if anything in it though.

Doc
I'm also interested to know if the Phillips bulbs are anygood.
p.s. you also deserve a medal in bravery for the xenon retrofit your going to be carrying out as it sounds complicated ( well to me anyway ) :grin:

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 25 January 2011, 14:02
The Philips X-treme Vision H7 bulbs I have purchased have just been released and have not been the subject of a comparative review. The review in Auto Express was for H4. The review did mention there was a bit of variance with the Philips, though it produced the most light. I have discussed the differences with Power Bulbs and am satisfied that I have made the correct purchase.

These bulbs have been bought as a stop-gap measure for me to see the pot holes more clearly. If they prove good enough for my requirements, then I will not bother with the hassle and expense of fitting OEM Bi-Xenons.

H7 bulbs are single filament and H4 bulbs are twin filament. Most manufacturers are moving over to H7. The Auto Express test was carried out with H4 bulbs in the Osram factory and Osram used their preferred housing and testing parameters which skewed the results a bit.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: MAW73 on 25 January 2011, 14:10
Thanks SteveP..... just as I'm finally getting round to sorting out my rear LED lights.... you have to go fit those :grin:

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3370.jpg)

p.s. They look very nice.... but like Kylie Minogues beaver I'd like to see them in the flesh  :laugh:

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 25 January 2011, 14:20
Thanks SteveP..... just as I'm finally getting round to sorting out my rear LED lights.... you have to go fit those :grin:
p.s. They look very nice.... but like Kylie Minogues beaver I'd like to see them in the flesh  :laugh:

Shocking. :shocked:
Never judge a book by its cover. :lipsrsealed:

Still see you are surgically attached to the Interlagos wheels. :evil:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: MAW73 on 25 January 2011, 14:40
Thanks SteveP..... just as I'm finally getting round to sorting out my rear LED lights.... you have to go fit those :grin:
p.s. They look very nice.... but like Kylie Minogues beaver I'd like to see them in the flesh  :laugh:

Shocking. :shocked:
Never judge a book by its cover. :lipsrsealed:

Still see you are surgically attached to the Interlagos wheels. :evil:

I know, I know... sorry  :smiley:

Its a sad day for the interlagos..... FrogGTi is no more with his car and interlagos, Exonian has just sold interlagos and mine were sold a few months ago. But I'm sure the wheels will be back to haunt you one day! So I will just have to leave my sig picture as it is just as a reminder for now  :smiley:

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimble on 25 January 2011, 18:56
I dare'nt leave it to her indoors! i'd have to sell the GTI :grin: Xenons should be standard fit on a GTI without doubt, i really don't do enough miles on un-lit roads to justify spending the amount of money vw demand, having said that the standard halogens are shockingly poor! hence the reason i spent a very reasonable £25 on some Osram nightbreakers, Jobs a good un! :wink:

Bought these today as a stop gap measure.
http://www.powerbulbs.com/product_detail.asp?prod=192

Did you have an alignment check after your bulb change?
No mate, i park facing the front of my house and basically made a mental note of where the beams were before and after, there was no change so assume it's fine.
One thing i will say is although these bulbs are a marked improvement over standard fit bulbs they are no where near xenon quality, i'm positive steveP will agree?
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 25 January 2011, 19:03
I dare'nt leave it to her indoors! i'd have to sell the GTI :grin: Xenons should be standard fit on a GTI without doubt, i really don't do enough miles on un-lit roads to justify spending the amount of money vw demand, having said that the standard halogens are shockingly poor! hence the reason i spent a very reasonable £25 on some Osram nightbreakers, Jobs a good un! :wink:
Bought these today as a stop gap measure.
http://www.powerbulbs.com/product_detail.asp?prod=192
Did you have an alignment check after your bulb change?
No mate, i park facing the front of my house and basically made a mental note of where the beams were before and after, there was no change so assume it's fine.
One thing i will say is although these bulbs are a marked improvement over standard fit bulbs they are no where near xenon quality, i'm positive steveP will agree?

My turn to pounce on you. I said this already in my previous post.  :tongue: :kiss:

These Philips bulbs and the Osram Nightbreaker Plus ones ARE considerably better than the standard Halogens which are frankly rubbish.

Jimble has the Osrams and can vouch for the improvement.

These Philips have just been released in H7. They use quartz glass instead of the ordinary glass that the Osrams have. They are supposed to be very slightly better than the Osrams but are not as good value.

However, neither of these bulbs are as good as HIDs. (lights)
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 25 January 2011, 23:16

Doc
I'm also interested to know if the Phillips bulbs are anygood.
p.s. you also deserve a medal in bravery for the xenon retrofit your going to be carrying out as it sounds complicated ( well to me anyway ) :grin:

To be honest I'd buy PIAA bulbs if I wasn't going fir the xenons, expensive but fantastic bulbs, the closest thing to xenons IMHO.

The xenon install is more simple than it sounds, basics are that the xenons plug in, what bulbs I can't code out I'll replace with big resistors and that's my plan really, glueing the ballasts / bulbs together is simple. *IF* it works I'll do a "how to"  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 26 January 2011, 09:34

Doc
I'm also interested to know if the Phillips bulbs are anygood.
p.s. you also deserve a medal in bravery for the xenon retrofit your going to be carrying out as it sounds complicated ( well to me anyway ) :grin:

To be honest I'd buy PIAA bulbs if I wasn't going fir the xenons, expensive but fantastic bulbs, the closest thing to xenons IMHO.

The xenon install is more simple than it sounds, basics are that the xenons plug in, what bulbs I can't code out I'll replace with big resistors and that's my plan really, glueing the ballasts / bulbs together is simple. *IF* it works I'll do a "how to"  :wink:
Cant wait to see how you get on! If it does i'll be on the hunt for some Golf R xenons!  :nerd:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 26 January 2011, 09:47
I saw a few pairs of R lights on fleabay but didn't buy them as I don't *think* they have side lights built in and I didn't want to go down the separate sidelight route.

*IF*
it works I'd be happy to convert them for you at cost price, emphasis on if  :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 26 January 2011, 10:29
Doc: I presume you are not going to have any manual or auto-levelling.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 26 January 2011, 10:57
am1w 100% won't be auto at this point but I'll have to see if I can get the leveling to work manually, I don't hold out much hope of this but you never know.

I've converted a few cars such as our works caddy van and my wifes last freelander 2 to oem xenons and I got the manual level adjustment to work, but until I take the golf apart and start testing I have no idea if the manual leveling will work.

Good thing for me is that my car never carrys rear seat passengers or luggage etc it's only for me to drive to work and back so even if I can't get them to work for me it won't be the end of the world, but if I can't adjust them and I'm dazzling other road users I'll take them off and order another car I think - I don't like cars without xenons!

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 26 January 2011, 12:05
...........(A) - but if I can't adjust them and I'm dazzling other road users I'll take them off and order another car I think - (B) - I don't like cars without xenons!

(A) - LOL+ :laugh:
(B) - Me too, but for the present I have no choice. Never make that mistake again. :wink:
....... and I am keeping everything crossed for it to work for you. :wink:
Got the Philips bulbs today. Will fit them Friday. They even sent me spare W5W bulbs FOC.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: MAW73 on 26 January 2011, 12:35
...........(A) - but if I can't adjust them and I'm dazzling other road users I'll take them off and order another car I think - (B) - I don't like cars without xenons!

(A) - LOL+ :laugh:
(B) - Me too, but for the present I have no choice. Never make that mistake again. :wink:
....... and I am keeping everything crossed for it to work for you. :wink:
Got the Philips bulbs today. Will fit them Friday. They even sent me spare W5W bulbs FOC.

Lets us know how you get on with the Phillps bulbs please.... Thanks
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 26 January 2011, 12:37


Good thing for me is that my car never carrys rear seat passengers or luggage etc it's only for me to drive to work and back so even if I can't get them to work for me it won't be the end of the world, but if I can't adjust them and I'm dazzling other road users I'll take them off and order another car I think - I don't like cars without xenons!



Good excuse to lower it a bit  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 26 January 2011, 17:59
Lowering won't be happening sorry, I have a silly (ish) car for speedy fun.

All of the bits are here now and I've set Tuesday aside to have a play.

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 30 January 2011, 12:15
Massive bonus - just had a quick look under the bonnet and the headlamp wiring is very easy to access and there is plenty of space below the headlamps for extra units etc if required.

With this in mind I'll make a start on this tomorrow as I can play away without removing the bumper, made me smile :-)

On Friday I pulled the original wiring out of the headlamps and started modifying them to take the aftermarket balast and resistors too.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 30 January 2011, 21:51
Well if it's good news to anyone, watched a video on you tube where a guy retro fitted oem xenons to his golf. It doesn't show how he done it or what he changed but it can be done!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 30 January 2011, 21:56
I know it can be done, hazy days do it for 1500 quid for a basic install plus around 700 quid if you want leveling and turning
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Jimble on 30 January 2011, 21:58
I know it can be done, hazy days do it for 1500 quid for a basic install plus around 700 quid if you want leveling and turning
£2200 :shocked: that's disgusting!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 30 January 2011, 22:12
Gimee 5 while I check  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 30 January 2011, 22:18
Lights £1425 plus vat
Module £600 plus vat
Sub total £2025
+ VAT = £2430

I'm at about £500 at the mo, £375 for the lights and around £125 for the bits  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 30 January 2011, 22:34
Lights £1425 plus vat
Module £600 plus vat
Sub total £2025
+ VAT = £2430

I'm at about £500 at the mo, £375 for the lights and around £125 for the bits  :wink:

Sheeit! I should have bought the lights from Steve. :grin:

All the bits can be obtained for a 'full fit' for approx £1450 and the fitter in my VW Bodyshop can fit them. He has done a few. Labour charge is around £200 inc VAT. So total £1650 tops. Also, Darren has done a few complete ones.

As I am now very happy with my new Philips bulbs, I will pass, and use the money for an exciting holiday in Egypt. :laugh:

Anyone care to join me? :evil:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 31 January 2011, 07:11
use the money for an exciting holiday in Egypt. :laugh:

I'm up for a bit of that, I'll bring my Sako's though :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 31 January 2011, 08:26
Lights £1425 plus vat
Module £600 plus vat
Sub total £2025
+ VAT = £2430

I'm at about £500 at the mo, £375 for the lights and around £125 for the bits  :wink:

Sheeit! I should have bought the lights from Steve. :grin:

All the bits can be obtained for a 'full fit' for approx £1450 and the fitter in my VW Bodyshop can fit them. He has done a few. Labour charge is around £200 inc VAT. So total £1650 tops. Also, Darren has done a few complete ones.

As I am now very happy with my new Philips bulbs, I will pass, and use the money for an exciting holiday in Egypt. :laugh:

Anyone care to join me? :evil:
You've not changed your mind again Asker!?  :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 31 January 2011, 12:33
Lights £1425 plus vat
Module £600 plus vat
Sub total £2025
+ VAT = £2430
I'm at about £500 at the mo, £375 for the lights and around £125 for the bits  :wink:
Sheeit! I should have bought the lights from Steve. :grin:
All the bits can be obtained for a 'full fit' for approx £1450 and the fitter in my VW Bodyshop can fit them. He has done a few. Labour charge is around £200 inc VAT. So total £1650 tops. Also, Darren has done a few complete ones.
As I am now very happy with my new Philips bulbs, I will pass, and use the money for an exciting holiday in Egypt. :laugh:
Anyone care to join me? :evil:
You've not changed your mind again Asker!?  :grin:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Xenon xenophobia is done and dusted.  :laugh:

Egyptian holiday with Doc is being planned! :laugh:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 31 January 2011, 17:37
DOC
Will these fit in the side light location on the xenon lights or are they too big.
http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/501-Long-LED-Extreme-Power-2W-360-degree.html
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 31 January 2011, 21:22
DOC
Will these fit in the side light location on the xenon lights or are they too big.
http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/501-Long-LED-Extreme-Power-2W-360-degree.html


Funny you should mention the side light bulbs I've fitted led's in the sidelights that are very similar and they are a bit of a tight squeeze.

These are the ones I have fitted: http://www.hids-direct.co.uk/error-free-leds/501-error-free-8-smd-led-sidelights-bulbs-white-p-497.html

Good news is I got both headlamps fully working bulb wise and fault free, flash works, shutters work etc and I only had to fit one hid canceller unit to the xenon ballast in each lamp to stop the lights from showing a fault in the dash.

To get this level of functionality as a plug and play solution (which it is) you have to do a fair bit of re-wiring inside the headlamp, but if done correctly this could be reversed if you wish to reverse the proceedure in the future.

I've made a video of the headlamps working and sent it to my email address thinking I'd be able to download it onto my iPad then upload it to you tube but I can't - silly IPad  :sad:

If anyone would like to upload it to you tube or the like for me then please PM me with your email address and I'll send it over  :smiley:

No progress on the leveling but I'll look into that when I remove the bumper and look at the height adjustment on the normal headlamps, after that I'll have a better idea if the levelling can be via the in cabin thumbwheel.


Happy camper  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 31 January 2011, 21:26
Brilliant Doc. :smiley:
Really interested if the manual levelling can be used. Save shed loads of money.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 31 January 2011, 21:56
I've made a video of the headlamps working and sent it to my email address thinking I'd be able to download it onto my iPad then upload it to you tube but I can't - silly IPad  :sad:

If anyone would like to upload it to you tube or the like for me then please PM me with your email address and I'll send it over  :smiley:
PMed i should have time to do this for you.
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 31 January 2011, 22:00
Looks fantastic Doc!

Will you be doing a full write up once complete for us xenon wannabes? I am searching all the time for xenons now!
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 31 January 2011, 22:14
Looks fantastic Doc!

Will you be doing a full write up once complete for us xenon wannabes? I am searching all the time for xenons now!

Yes, but it's going to be quite involved to say the least.....

I'd be happy to convert for people if they bring them to me OR by post, F.O.C of course  :wink:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: Snoopy on 31 January 2011, 22:20
THE DOCS Xenon Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNt1uTp4EmQ

I hope,  :undecided:
An odd file I had to forward it to another email address then it still did not work then to another email addresses and i then managed to get it to download right, computers :grin:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 31 January 2011, 23:04
Cool, thanks snoops, odd file as it was from my odd iphone4 :rolleyes:

Parts so far

2x headlamp units minus all control units and xenon bulbs - I paid £375
2x Retaining rings for xenon bulbs Part No 5M0 941 645 from vw approx £12
2x D1S bulbs from £33 to £200 a pair ( I had a spare set of Philips ones but tried some £33 ones and they were fine ) eBay item number: 330508696682
2x Kufatec  Adapter Harness from Halogen to Xenon £60 eBay item number: 120648349484
2x Slimline xenon ballast £80 eBay item number: 190476396469
2x Resistors 100w each to stop faults on the main beam 12 quid: http://www.hids-direct.co.uk/100w-resistors-led-fix-for-55w-bulbs-such-as-h1h4h7-p-329.html
2x Error free LED sidelight bulbs £10:  http://www.hids-direct.co.uk/error-free-leds/501-error-free-8-smd-led-sidelights-bulbs-white-p-497.html

DO NOT BUY THESE - THEY BLEW UP DURING TESTING:

HID warning cancelers £8 HID's Direct: http://www.hids-direct.co.uk/hid-led-fixes-leads-sockets/hid-error-fixes/hid-kit-capacitor-obc-fix-p-319.html
Title: Re: XENONS - Everything you ever wanted to know about xenons but were afraid to ask
Post by: am1w on 01 February 2011, 00:40
This might be helpful.
Items required for New and Old type Bi-Xenons.
Please feel free to correct or update.
Prices might no longer be valid.

Prices in red from Tuning Fanatics for older type Bi- Xenons on German ebay, Nov/Dec 2010. These are discounted prices if two sets of lights are ordered. Prices in black are 2010 VW German prices and some VW UK prices.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ORIGINAL-VW-BI-XENON-SCHEINWERFER-GOLF-6-VI-R-GTI-/200456790244?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item2eac27e0e4  - Tuning Fanatics

'D' with LED DRLs

[1] Part No 5K2 941 753 B/D   - 1 x Xenon Casing chrome/black  = 433,16,- euro  369,50 euro

[2] Part No 5K2 941 754 B/D   - 1 x Xenon Casing chrome/black  = 433,16 euro 369,50 euro

[3] Part No 7L6 941 329 B   -  2 x Power Module for cornering Light                      = 158,27 euro 100,00 euro

[4] Part No 5M0 907 357 C  -  1 x Cornering Control Module                                = 139,23 euro 100,00 euro

[5] Part No 5M0 941 645     -   2 x Retaining Rings for Xenon Bulbs                      = 14,00 euro or £13.60

[6] Part No 5M0 907 391     -   2 x Xenon Controllers                                           =408,17 euro 250,00 euro

[7] Part No N 105 661 03    -   2 x Philips/Osram Xenon Burners                          =408,17 euro 88,00 euro

??[8] Part No N 017 753 10   -   2 x Philips/Osram Blue Burners                              = 9,16 euro  - Not required with latest LED DRL Xenons

??[9] Part No N 107 331 02   -   2 x Wed incandescent lamp holder, silver glass lamp blink     = 64,38 euro or £46.88
 
??[10] Part No 1J0 973 737     -   2 x Flat contact housing with contact-barrier                         = 6,10 euro

[11] Part No 36849 Kufatec     -  1 x Adapter Harness from Halogen to Xenon, with installation instructions in German  =49,0 euro

[12] 1 x Auto Levelling Headlight harness Kufatec Part No 37139-1 = 89,00 euro

[13] 1 x Auto leveller for ACC cars from Kufatec Part No 37190 = 219,00 euro

[14] 1 x Latest BCM that will support both Rear LED's and the Front DRL LED Xenon's is 1K0 937 087 E Z0K and costs £249.52 inc VAT or 266.60 euro.

Note:-

Item [8] isn't used with the new LED DRL Xenons.

Item [9] is the right number and is still a current part number N 107 331 02 - £23.44 each from VW UK.

SteveP can't trace Items [8] & [9].

Item [10] is a housing for the electrical plug that goes to the Xenon headlight. It is part of what is used to make the adapters.

Part No 5K2 941 753 B & Part No 5K2 941 754 B Bi-Xenon Lights Golf GTI version in chrome/black - older type Bi-Xenons.

New ones.
(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/ledXenon.jpg)

Old ones.
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/asker.png)
Title: Re: XENONS - Everything you ever wanted to know about xenons but were afraid to ask
Post by: MAW73 on 01 February 2011, 10:55
Sod this.... my head hurts reading this. I think I'll just buy a new car with Xenons  :wink: :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Everything you ever wanted to know about xenons but were afraid to ask
Post by: SteveP on 01 February 2011, 13:43
Asker, part [3] Part No 7L6 941 329 B   -  1 x Power Module for cornering Light should be x 2 as one is required on each headlight  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Everything you ever wanted to know about xenons but were afraid to ask
Post by: am1w on 01 February 2011, 14:04
Asker, part [3] Part No 7L6 941 329 B   -  1 x Power Module for cornering Light should be x 2 as one is required on each headlight  :smiley:

Thanks Steve. Should I double the price or leave it the same? :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Everything you ever wanted to know about xenons but were afraid to ask
Post by: The Doc on 01 February 2011, 21:01
I've set Friday aside to tackle the headlamp leveling and fitting of the xenon units headlamps.

Report with pictures and the start of my "how to" at the weekend.

If anyone wants to come over with their lamps for me to do it would make the "how to" loads easier as I had to faff lots to get to the end result and it would be nice to do a clear, concise start to finish on this project.

Roll on Friday nights drive home down those dark country lanes  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 01 February 2011, 22:06
Can i request a photo of the sidelights on in daylight front on view when your finished please.  :smiley:
Thanks. :cool:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 01 February 2011, 22:38
Roger  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 03 February 2011, 17:53
Can't have a xenon retro fit post and not include this:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5042607-My-HID-Retrofit-on-a-GTI-MK6&s=070d974dd51845bead268baad9e8e7c6
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: SteveP on 03 February 2011, 20:35
I think you must have had the last two retaining rings from VW Doc as they are now on back order  :cry:

My Tiguan full OEM retro-fit will have to wait a few more days  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 03 February 2011, 20:37
Can't have a xenon retro fit post and not include this:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5042607-My-HID-Retrofit-on-a-GTI-MK6&s=070d974dd51845bead268baad9e8e7c6

Love the looks of those lights + their performance. No warts in the beam. :evil:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 03 February 2011, 22:09
I think you must have had the last two retaining rings from VW Doc as they are now on back order  :cry:

My Tiguan full OEM retro-fit will have to wait a few more days  :smiley:

Sorry  :embarassed:

They were showing four when I bought mine  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 04 February 2011, 19:57
On, working tired.

No leveling but to be fair I didn't even look into it - joy task for next week  :rolleyes:

Everything else works - photos of sidelight bulbs will be posted later when I get 5  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 04 February 2011, 22:09
F11cking iPad won't let me upload pics  :sad:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 05 February 2011, 16:13
Snoops uploaded these pics for me:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo4a.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo5a.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo6a.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo2a.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo3.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photoa.jpg)
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 05 February 2011, 20:14
Doc:
You've been a very busy bee. :cool:
Any chance you are going to brim the honeypot with manual levelling? :grin:

Yes, but not this week!!!
I didn't even look inside the lamps I removed to work out the levelling but you can bet your ass I'll be looking on Monday morning  :smiley:
Doc, you are a star. :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 05 February 2011, 20:46
Yes, but not this week!!!

I didn't even look inside the lamps I removed to work out the levelling but you can bet your ass I'll be looking on Monday morning  :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 07 February 2011, 16:12
Any news?

Am I correct in thinking that not a single member has retro fitted genuine xenon's?

Not a member but do know of someone who has retro fitted the golf r ones but last I heard he was having issues with the full beam not working.

And I can see why Full beam would be a problem as it's controlled by CAN via the headlamp controller, It can be activated on non-xenon cars but you need to do some cutting and snipping inside the headlamps - simple enough though  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: KennyGTI on 08 February 2011, 19:22
Any night time pics Doc, just to make us really jealous?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 08 February 2011, 19:33
Any night time pics Doc, just to make us really jealous?  :rolleyes:

Please re-phrase.  :shocked:

What specific photos of the headlamps would you like?

Sorry to barge in, but do you have a picture of the lighting pattern. I am interested to see the 'Branchespark Wart', if you don't mind. Not being nasty or anything, 'cause I don't feel it can be so unnerving. Possibly can be more annoying with the cornering function, but not when static.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii269/theogrit/Large%20Smilies/1lg007hello.gif)

Now I am totally confused.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 08 February 2011, 19:40
No problem, can anyone here upload them for me if I email them over, still iPad-ing  :sad:

What specific photos of the headlamps would you like?

Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 08 February 2011, 19:50
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii269/theogrit/Large%20Smilies/1lg007hello.gif)
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 08 February 2011, 20:19
Thanks Geoff,

Just gimme 5 as I settle young Maximilian down and I'll go take some pics :-)

I'm struggling to find very bright white sidelight bulbs, I may try piaa's soon but they cost around £60  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 08 February 2011, 22:52
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo2.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo3-1.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo4.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo5.jpg)

Just edit this post DOC for the order you want them in.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 08 February 2011, 23:45
Thanks Snoops, they're fine the way they are  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: DRC on 09 February 2011, 00:04
Doc,

Have you used normal ballasts from the like of HIDs Direct? If so, what have you used to stop the bulb error message? I'm getting my Golf next week and will eventually do this, but I had issues with my MK2 Leon with it being Can-bus and it ALWAYS showed an error? Mine are 55w ballasts.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 09 February 2011, 00:16
Doc,

Have you used normal ballasts from the like of HIDs Direct? If so, what have you used to stop the bulb error message? I'm getting my Golf next week and will eventually do this, but I had issues with my MK2 Leon with it being Can-bus and it ALWAYS showed an error? Mine are 55w ballasts.

Hi DRC, I used standard ish off the shelf ballasts and coded the car for xenons which stops the problems with lamp warnings and flickering headlamps, good thing is you still get main beam working in the loom so you can rewire the headlamps to operate the shutters for the bi-xenon.

I'd be happy to help you do your install if you need help FOC of course  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: DRC on 09 February 2011, 19:12
So apart from the headlights and bulb holders, everything else is after market?
Could you code them in if I were to just use hids in my normal reflector headlamps? How did you get the headlights so cheap? :) I'm from Grimsby near hull so not too far from you :) would be nice for a helping hand if I can get cheap parts :)
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 09 February 2011, 22:23
So apart from the headlights and bulb holders, everything else is after market?
Could you code them in if I were to just use hids in my normal reflector headlamps? How did you get the headlights so cheap? :) I'm from Grimsby near hull so not too far from you :) would be nice for a helping hand if I can get cheap parts :)

Correct headlamps and holders are all VW, the rest is aftermarket.

I can code normal reflectors as xenon yes, but projector style headlamps are much better for xenons.

Headlamps were cheap as I bought them from a forum member who has put the LED sidelight versions on his car.

Your welcome to come over and I'll take some pics to do a "how to" for other members  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: DRC on 09 February 2011, 23:30
So apart from the headlights and bulb holders, everything else is after market?
Could you code them in if I were to just use hids in my normal reflector headlamps? How did you get the headlights so cheap? :) I'm from Grimsby near hull so not too far from you :) would be nice for a helping hand if I can get cheap parts :)

Correct headlamps and holders are all VW, the rest is aftermarket.

I can code normal reflectors as xenon yes, but projector style headlamps are much better for xenons.

Headlamps were cheap as I bought them from a forum member who has put the LED sidelight versions on his car.

Your welcome to come over and I'll take some pics to do a "how to" for other members  :wink:


Yeah, I had HIDS on my Leon and it just threw up bulb errors on start up but were fine after that, I assume the Golf is the same? Also, when coding Bi-Xenons to the Leon, am sure it changed the output voltage, DC/AC etc, is this not so?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 10 February 2011, 16:05
The car looks for a bulb but finds a ballast which sends it mad  :laugh:

I cant see it changing the voltage or AC/DC, but I could be wrong, I've never metered or scoped the outputs TBH  :huh:

What I do know is that they work  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Exonian on 10 February 2011, 16:35
This is a truly great thread. I just sooo want to do this conversion, just for the hell of it!

How long are you keeping the car for Doc? I could buy the set up complete and ready to go........ :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 10 February 2011, 19:22
I intend to keep this car for another 18 months but I intend to buy another golf then, if it's diesel I'll need them again but if I get a petrol I'd buy an R which have xenon's as standard so I'd sell these then  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Exonian on 10 February 2011, 20:33
I intend to keep this car for another 18 months but I intend to buy another golf then, if it's diesel I'll need them again but if I get a petrol I'd buy an R which have xenon's as standard so I'd sell these then  :wink:

My car will be up for it's pension before 18 months is up!
Maybe I'll just nick your idea and get hold of some second hand ones (or Askers Tuning Fanatics ones)
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 10 February 2011, 20:40
I intend to keep this car for another 18 months but I intend to buy another golf then, if it's diesel I'll need them again but if I get a petrol I'd buy an R which have xenon's as standard so I'd sell these then  :wink:
My car will be up for it's pension before 18 months is up!
Maybe I'll just nick your idea and get hold of some second hand ones (or Askers Tuning Fanatics ones)

What about your Phirrips H7s?
You are going through the same Xenon trauma as me. It's called non-Xenonphobia. :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 10 February 2011, 20:48
I intend to keep this car for another 18 months but I intend to buy another golf then, if it's diesel I'll need them again but if I get a petrol I'd buy an R which have xenon's as standard so I'd sell these then  :wink:

My car will be up for it's pension before 18 months is up!
Maybe I'll just nick your idea and get hold of some second hand ones (or Askers Tuning Fanatics ones)

If you'd like I can help you fit them if you come over, would be nice to do a "how to" as it's impossible to do on the first set due to all the on the job R&D.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Exonian on 11 February 2011, 05:58
Blimey, it's practically be a 2 day trip to get up to you and back!
I'll look into costs etc though and mull it over, I don't mind the trip it's the £££ that's the problem!
Would love to meet the man behind the moderation, we could turn it into a mini meet of mk6ers and other interested parties from the forum. Maybe Guy would turn up to wash our cars for free to prove he loves us after all?  :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 11 February 2011, 07:53
Blimey, it's practically be a 2 day trip to get up to you and back!
I'll look into costs etc though and mull it over, I don't mind the trip it's the £££ that's the problem!
Would love to meet the man behind the moderation, we could turn it into a mini meet of mk6ers and other interested parties from the forum. Maybe Guy would turn up to wash our cars for free to prove he loves us after all?  :laugh:

There were a few sets of R headlamps on flea bay a few weeks back but I dont know if they have sidelights built in as they have the external LED sidelights / DRLs, can somebody with an R please post a pic?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 11 February 2011, 07:56
Andy,

AGB has also got 'non-Xenonphobia' and I think Kenny still has not given up. :smiley:
Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 11 February 2011, 08:06
Am not planning to fit the auto levellers, way too complicated and just more expense(comes as a seperate kit)! So thats why am wondering if I will be able to fit the headlights and thats all? As the halogen headlights have manual levellers switch just next to the dash brightness switch I am wondering if the xenons have this too? Seems not to though  :sad: My plan was to fit the xenons headlights and sit be able to manually adjust the level  :cry:

Kenny,

The full autoleveling stuff can be put together for a lot less than the kufatec kit, I have just finished buying all the parts (all OEM and all brand new apart from the AFS modules) for my Tiguan R-Line and for £690 in total I will have a full set of cornering/auto-leveling Xenon's.  :cool:

The trouble is finding the lights themselves at a good price for the Mk6  :cry:

Title: Re: People With Xenons
Post by: am1w on 11 February 2011, 08:17
Am not planning to fit the auto levellers, way too complicated and just more expense(comes as a seperate kit)! So thats why am wondering if I will be able to fit the headlights and thats all? As the halogen headlights have manual levellers switch just next to the dash brightness switch I am wondering if the xenons have this too? Seems not to though  :sad: My plan was to fit the xenons headlights and sit be able to manually adjust the level  :cry:
Kenny and Asker,
The full autoleveling stuff can be put together for a lot less than the kufatec kit, I have just finished buying all the parts (all OEM and all brand new apart from the AFS modules) for my Tiguan R-Line and for £690 in total I will have a full set of cornering/auto-leveling Xenon's.  :cool:
The trouble is finding the lights themselves at a good price for the Mk6  :cry:

 :grin:
Good to know.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: DRC on 11 February 2011, 09:21
There are LED and non LED versions on ebay from Germany, £870 and £708 respectively :(
Doc, you did well to that price!
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 11 February 2011, 11:39
There are LED and non LED versions on ebay from Germany, £870 and £708 respectively :(
Doc, you did well to that price!

Yes, I can get them new for around £320 each.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 11 February 2011, 12:39
Andy,

AGB has also got Xenophobia and I think Kenny still has not given up. :smiley:


I still haven't given up yet either.. :evil: :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 11 February 2011, 12:43
There are LED and non LED versions on ebay from Germany, £870 and £708 respectively :(
Doc, you did well to that price!
Yes, I can get them new for around £320 each.

That is a very good price. Does this include VAT and is this price for the non-LED Xenons (which I like)?
Can't wait for you to look at the manual levelling. If it works, then I'll most probably trek up to you for help and installation, if you don't mind.
I wish, I wish I had ordered Xenons from the factory.  :cry:
Just shows by the length of this thread that Xenons are tops in popularity.

Andy,
AGB has also got Xenophobia and I think Kenny still has not given up. :smiley:
I still haven't given up yet either.. :evil: :laugh:

I think there are at least 6 of us who really yearn for them. :cool:

List so far:
KennyGTI
Mike. tick
DRC
AGB  tick
Exonian
am1w 50/50 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: DRC on 11 February 2011, 13:09
There are LED and non LED versions on ebay from Germany, £870 and £708 respectively :(
Doc, you did well to that price!
Yes, I can get them new for around £320 each.

That is a very good price. Does this include VAT and is this price for the non-LED Xenons (which I like)?
Can't wait for you to look at the manual levelling. If it works, then I'll most probably trek up to you for help and installation, if you don't mind.
I wish, I wish I had ordered Xenons from the factory.  :cry:
Just shows by the length of this thread that Xenons are tops in popularity.

I think there are at least 6 or 7 of us who really yearn for them.

Make that 8 of us :( My Ibiza Cupra has Xenons, given they aren't that good, I've had them on the old Audi I had, am seriously gonna miss them :(
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 11 February 2011, 16:06
Think it was £320 plus vat with my discount applied for a group buy (non led) not much more for the LED version I'll check on Monday.

I'm not having any issues blinding people and manual adjustment takes a min with a standard screwdriver if you really must  :wink:

I had a passenger get in the rear as a test and all was well, having said that I don't accelerate hard often which is when you'd have issues, but only momentarily.

I'll make a short video over the weekend to demonstrate how non intrusive they are.

I'll try to drag myself into work next week and look inside the halogens and start making headway into leveling but it's not top of my list right now  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 11 February 2011, 23:07
Ok I give in  :laugh: :laugh:

Just ordered the adapters from Kufatec, going for the LED version of the lights so will need a new BCM as well.

Will leave the cornering and self leveling until later, have the washers already as I have the winter pack  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 11 February 2011, 23:15
Ok I give in  :laugh: :laugh:

Just ordered the adapters from Kufatec, going for the LED version of the lights so will need a new BCM as well.

Will leave the cornering and self leveling until later, have the washers already as I have the winter pack  :smiley:

BTW I thinks I can do it without the bcm  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 11 February 2011, 23:21
Very interesting, I thought SteveP had to get a new BCM to get the LEDS to work properly.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 11 February 2011, 23:36
Very interesting, I thought SteveP had to get a new BCM to get the LEDS to work properly.

I'll get them to work, I didn't say anything to do with properly  :grin:

Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 11 February 2011, 23:44
Very interesting, I thought SteveP had to get a new BCM to get the LEDS to work properly.

I'll get them to work, I didn't say anything to do with properly  :grin:


:laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: AGB on 12 February 2011, 08:26
Andy,

AGB has also got Xenophobia and I think Kenny still has not given up. :smiley:


I prefer the term 'nyctophobia'.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 12 February 2011, 09:06
Andy,

AGB has also got Xenophobia and I think Kenny still has not given up. :smiley:


I prefer the term 'nyctophobia'.

Not now that I have xenon's again  :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 12 February 2011, 14:49
I love disambiguation. :wink:
I meant 'non-Xenonphobia' previously. Apologies. :embarassed:

I love xenon's  :wink:

Don't we all. It's blindingly obvious. :grin:
Unfortunately, some of us were too mean to factory order. :cry: :angry:
Anyone interested in swapping from Xenons to Halogens?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 12 February 2011, 16:23
I love xenon's  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: AGB on 13 February 2011, 07:54
I'm not having any issues blinding people and manual adjustment takes a min with a standard screwdriver if you really must  :wink:

I had a passenger get in the rear as a test and all was well, having said that I don't accelerate hard often which is when you'd have issues, but only momentarily.

Doc, on a practical note, how will this work when it comes to getting the car's MOT done? I know they're tightening up on HID conversion kits but not sure if they look for auto levelling when they see Xenons installed on a vehicle?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 13 February 2011, 08:06
I'm not having any issues blinding people and manual adjustment takes a min with a standard screwdriver if you really must  :wink:
I had a passenger get in the rear as a test and all was well, having said that I don't accelerate hard often which is when you'd have issues, but only momentarily.
Doc, on a practical note, how will this work when it comes to getting the car's MOT done? I know they're tightening up on HID conversion kits but not sure if they look for auto levelling when they see Xenons installed on a vehicle?

Alex: I'll let DOC answer that.
Doc/Snoops: Does the auto-levelling function work as an active feature by adjusting the alignment of the Xenons continuously when the car is in motion?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 13 February 2011, 08:36
Alex re: Mot - I've never failed one yet with OEM headlamps installed, infact our works caddy gets mot'd at VW  I'd have thought they'd be more interested in beam scatter to be fair.

Asker re: beam leveling, it's active as you drive.

I was going to make you guys a video of the level as I drive so you can see for yourselves but I can't find my sucker foot for my video camera  :sad:  I'll have a good look for it in work on Monday along with the leveling on the halogens  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: AGB on 13 February 2011, 08:51
Alex re: Mot - I've never failed one yet with OEM headlamps installed, infact our works caddy gets mot'd at VW  I'd have thought they'd be more interested in beam scatter to be fair.

Cool. I thought it worth an ask because it all seems to be subjective and down to interpretation. I'm in favour of a clamp down on the have a go HID brigade but don't want to end up being subjected to some poorly interpreted legislation.

I'm trying to speak to someone with some common sense about insurance at the moment. My current insurance highwaymen can't deviate from their script on the phone and they'll look for any excuse to increase premiums.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 13 February 2011, 09:17
When I took my MKV with Xenons to the MOT, the tester on both occasions asked me to set the level adjustment to 0.
He didn't believe me that there was no manual adjustment and it used auto leveling  :laugh:

As the Doc said they are more concerned about the cutoff.
All the after market HID kits I have seen on the road, fitted to reflector housings, seem to scatter light everywhere.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 13 February 2011, 09:21
Thats because your MOT tester is a numpty. :grin: How some of these guys actually pass the tests to get their tickets i will never know. :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: dieseldunc on 13 February 2011, 11:15
Playing devils advocate here as I know an MOT bloke; he could have just suspected that they had been retrofitted without the levelling .....I know they do get advised to look out for such things and with the increasing number of folk fitting HID kits without considering alignment / other road users maybe that's what he thought they were?

But yeah - they can be muppets too  :angry:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 13 February 2011, 11:26
Yes, I know the control on the dash doesn't move the headlamps as I've fitted the self levelling   :smug:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: AGB on 13 February 2011, 14:47
Yes, I know the control on the dash doesn't move the headlamps as I've fitted the self levelling   :smug:

I hope that's a VW OEM screw driver you're doing the self levelling with...  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Exonian on 13 February 2011, 14:53
Self levelling as in levelling it yourself!!!  :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: AGB on 13 February 2011, 15:03
Self levelling as in levelling it yourself!!!  :grin:

Meah, things get lost in translation on forums sometimes. I was intimating 'man with official screwdriver'. N'eh mind, it wasn't my best effort.  :sad:

Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Exonian on 13 February 2011, 15:12
I knew what you meant Alex.  :smiley:
Things often don't quite come accross right on forums though do they. I often type things that sound amusing in my head and yet look stupid once I've typed them (ie. most things I post on here).

Though I'm sure it's quite common, there are certain people that drop by this section that come accross as complete dullards and miss the point of everything and end up just hating mk6 owners. I'm sure they're lovely in real life.......maybe....... :laugh:

Feel free to delete this post Doc before the visiting vagrant eejits arrive en masse!  :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 13 February 2011, 15:44
'tis a genuine VW screwing implement fo sure  :grin:

My point is that they can't check that you have any kind of auto leveling system fitted, so if asked say yes.

FYI mine works on a "sky hook theory driven bi manual VW screwdriver stick it in and twist it it 360 degrees bi adjustment system"  :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 13 February 2011, 23:07
Newsflash, golf R headlamps are the same as the normal xenon's and contain bulbs etc but are coded differently  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 14 February 2011, 12:10
Here's a link to some videos I made last of the xenon’s, more to illustrate the level than anything else.

Linky: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cjm625&aq=f

I'll do some more in higher quality when I find my windscreen mount  :sad:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 14 February 2011, 14:53
Excellent vids. :smiley:
What I find most impressive is that, in the wet and especially at night, one can clearly see road markings which would be practically impossible with Halogens. Really, really impressed.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 14 February 2011, 15:12
That was one big plus I noticed when I had them on the MKV, safety jackets also light up from way back compared to the halogens.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 14 February 2011, 16:03
OT but these are two videos i looked at before getting xenons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0418EkryrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzAG2Dd_9W0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcjfZeJeFJw
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 14 February 2011, 16:55
Anything to do with xenon's is not OT  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: KIX on 14 February 2011, 21:09
I have Xenons that light up  the lower white indicator as parking lights:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/GSW05.jpg)

I bought  the new Led ones:

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/Xenon2.jpg)

To use them you need to have the Cecm  ( vcds 09) software version 0575 or superior to code them properly.

You need to set up as day running lights and change bit 18 to a value 04 MANUALLY.

Then they will light up.

Unfortunately  My  Software version is 501 so I am out of luck, Ill try to go to the VW dealership and ask if they can REFLASH the newer version.

The connectors are the same, but  the coding and poper use  needs a Cecm Highline with  said version.

Cheers
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 14 February 2011, 21:48
KIX
http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,113.0.html
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: KIX on 15 February 2011, 03:50
Thanks !  awesome Thread.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Danno on 15 February 2011, 18:36
'tis a genuine VW screwing implement fo sure  :grin:

My point is that they can't check that you have any kind of auto leveling system fitted, so if asked say yes.

FYI mine works on a "sky hook theory driven bi manual VW screwdriver stick it in and twist it it 360 degrees bi adjustment system"  :grin:

FYI re self levelling on the R. When you start up the lights for the first time, they go through a routine. Don't quote me on the order of this but you very noticeably see them point down, point up, point outwards and then back to centre. Easy to show that to the MOT tester, just need a wall! Am I assuming that the retrofits don't do this?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 15 February 2011, 18:48
Good point, The Danno.
The Dancing Xenon Routine = Auto-levelling + cornering. In/out to follow. :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Jimble on 15 February 2011, 21:49
'tis a genuine VW screwing implement fo sure  :grin:

My point is that they can't check that you have any kind of auto leveling system fitted, so if asked say yes.

FYI mine works on a "sky hook theory driven bi manual VW screwdriver stick it in and twist it it 360 degrees bi adjustment system"  :grin:

FYI re self levelling on the R. When you start up the lights for the first time, they go through a routine. Don't quote me on the order of this but you very noticeably see them point down, point up, point outwards and then back to centre. Easy to show that to the MOT tester, just need a wall! Am I assuming that the retrofits don't do this?
Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPZSb-P8Reo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 15 February 2011, 21:58
'tis a genuine VW screwing implement fo sure  :grin:

My point is that they can't check that you have any kind of auto leveling system fitted, so if asked say yes.

FYI mine works on a "sky hook theory driven bi manual VW screwdriver stick it in and twist it it 360 degrees bi adjustment system"  :grin:

FYI re self levelling on the R. When you start up the lights for the first time, they go through a routine. Don't quote me on the order of this but you very noticeably see them point down, point up, point outwards and then back to centre. Easy to show that to the MOT tester, just need a wall! Am I assuming that the retrofits don't do this?

Nah, mine don't do that mr mot tester, never have  :grin:

All of this is not an issue for me as I'll never have to get mine MOT'd because it will be going on or around it's second birthday.

I'd be very very very surprised if an mot inspector picks up on this if you have genuine headlamps fitted.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Danno on 16 February 2011, 08:19
'tis a genuine VW screwing implement fo sure  :grin:

My point is that they can't check that you have any kind of auto leveling system fitted, so if asked say yes.

FYI mine works on a "sky hook theory driven bi manual VW screwdriver stick it in and twist it it 360 degrees bi adjustment system"  :grin:

FYI re self levelling on the R. When you start up the lights for the first time, they go through a routine. Don't quote me on the order of this but you very noticeably see them point down, point up, point outwards and then back to centre. Easy to show that to the MOT tester, just need a wall! Am I assuming that the retrofits don't do this?
Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPZSb-P8Reo&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Just like that, indeed. Good find! :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Danno on 16 February 2011, 08:23
'tis a genuine VW screwing implement fo sure  :grin:

My point is that they can't check that you have any kind of auto leveling system fitted, so if asked say yes.

FYI mine works on a "sky hook theory driven bi manual VW screwdriver stick it in and twist it it 360 degrees bi adjustment system"  :grin:

FYI re self levelling on the R. When you start up the lights for the first time, they go through a routine. Don't quote me on the order of this but you very noticeably see them point down, point up, point outwards and then back to centre. Easy to show that to the MOT tester, just need a wall! Am I assuming that the retrofits don't do this?

Nah, mine don't do that mr mot tester, never have  :grin:

All of this is not an issue for me as I'll never have to get mine MOT'd because it will be going on or around it's second birthday.

I'd be very very very surprised if an mot inspector picks up on this if you have genuine headlamps fitted.

Just try not to find yourself driving behind the rozzers at night, they'll take umbrage if your dazzling them  :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 16 February 2011, 08:55
If I was dazzling anyone I'd remove the lights and order a new motor with xenon's, see video's above mine are A1  :wink:

The only dazzling coming from me is the dazzle from my teeth as I smile due to my xenon induced permanent-grin  :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 16 February 2011, 09:00
If I was dazzling anyone I'd remove the lights and order a new motor with xenon's, see video's above mine are A1  :wink:
The only dazzling coming from me is the dazzle from my teeth as I smile due to my xenon induced permanent-grin  :grin:

.......and reflection. :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 16 February 2011, 09:06
FYI I had a look inside the halogens to try and work out how the leveling motor functions, the halogens have three wires going to the motor, but the xenon's have four and not helping matters is that they are all black.....

In short I'm going to have to be really really really bored to go playing with this  :sad:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 16 February 2011, 09:09
FYI I had a look inside the halogens to try and work out how the leveling motor functions, the halogens have three wires going to the motor, but the xenon's have four and not helping matters is that they are all black.....
In short I'm going to have to be really really really bored to go playing with this  :sad:

I think you have done more than enough for King and Country. Just enjoy the lights of your life. :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Danno on 16 February 2011, 13:01
If I was dazzling anyone I'd remove the lights and order a new motor with xenon's, see video's above mine are A1  :wink:

The only dazzling coming from me is the dazzle from my teeth as I smile due to my xenon induced permanent-grin  :grin:

Have you had your teeth whitened?   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 16 February 2011, 16:01
If I was dazzling anyone I'd remove the lights and order a new motor with xenon's, see video's above mine are A1  :wink:

The only dazzling coming from me is the dazzle from my teeth as I smile due to my xenon induced permanent-grin  :grin:

Have you had your teeth whitened?   :rolleyes:

No but there still not as discoloured as halogen lamps  :wink:

FYI I had a look inside the halogens to try and work out how the leveling motor functions, the halogens have three wires going to the motor, but the xenon's have four and not helping matters is that they are all black.....
In short I'm going to have to be really really really bored to go playing with this  :sad:

I think you have done more than enough for King and Country. Just enjoy the lights of your life. :smiley:

Thinking your right  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Danno on 16 February 2011, 18:14
If I was dazzling anyone I'd remove the lights and order a new motor with xenon's, see video's above mine are A1  :wink:

The only dazzling coming from me is the dazzle from my teeth as I smile due to my xenon induced permanent-grin  :grin:

Have you had your teeth whitened?   :rolleyes:

No but there still not as discoloured as halogen lamps  :wink:

FYI I had a look inside the halogens to try and work out how the leveling motor functions, the halogens have three wires going to the motor, but the xenon's have four and not helping matters is that they are all black.....
In short I'm going to have to be really really really bored to go playing with this  :sad:

I think you have done more than enough for King and Country. Just enjoy the lights of your life. :smiley:

Thinking your right  :smiley:

Speaking of yellow...I think there should be a return to yellow fog lights from the 70's, and France!! They work! Bright white doesn't, and more to the point I DON'T HAVE ANY :cry:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 16 February 2011, 18:40
Life's a b1tch  :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Rhyso on 16 February 2011, 20:33
Speaking of yellow...I think there should be a return to yellow fog lights from the 70's, and France!! They work! Bright white doesn't, and more to the point I DON'T HAVE ANY :cry:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/Rhyso/Audi%20A3/DSC00470.jpg)

Get some Laminx  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 16 February 2011, 20:40
I've had the vapours, seeing that picture of the Audi. :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: KIX on 16 February 2011, 22:27
I tried to code my Xenon led lights for my Golf State (variant), but  they did not work, no  matter how I coded them the  leds wont come on, so I checked them compared to regular Xenon lights and the connector in the harness is different.   Golfs  are  wired the same but the Golf State has a different harness, and thus cables that  go into the housing.
Since I have the tools Ill find out the  Voltages and pins that need to be changed  in order to make them  work, Ill put a DIY in case someone  want to change theirs to led versions and avoid getting errors on the vcds and a non  working leds.

(even the kufatec guys state that  the adapter they sell are not compatible  with GS ...  ;-(
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 16 February 2011, 22:30
Your a good man  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 17 February 2011, 18:18
Will be interesting to see how they went about the change from sidelights to LEDs with the lights. If they simply wired in LEDs or did a circuit to make it look like a bulb to the ecu.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 17 February 2011, 19:19
With the amount of LEDs in there and the intensity of them you'd think they'd easily draw 5 watts  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: SteveP on 17 February 2011, 19:50
Will be interesting to see how they went about the change from sidelights to LEDs with the lights. If they simply wired in LEDs or did a circuit to make it look like a bulb to the ecu.

The LEDs are connected to a control board side the lights that takes the normal feed from the side connections. IIRC Untill you code it to say it has separate DRL's it throws a bulb out warning. I will double check on mine tomorrow.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 17 February 2011, 21:02
Would be interesting to find out how different the electrical system sees them. IIRC i remember reading they don't light if not coded this makes me think they are simply LEDs wired in as you have to tell the software its LEDs or it cuts the voltage/current to them.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 18 February 2011, 21:23
Parts are starting to arrive  :laugh:

(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/xenonfit/xenon1.jpg)

Will hopefully have the lights and the rest by next weekend.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: SteveP on 18 February 2011, 21:34
Not sure where your getting the remaining rings for the bulbs but VW have had them on back order for 4 weeks :cry:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 18 February 2011, 21:37
Haven't ordered them yet  :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 19 February 2011, 08:32
What's the plan Mike?  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 19 February 2011, 08:53
Still split between LED Xenon and Standard .

I will have to order a new BCM either way unless I do your high beam shutter mod.  :laugh:
What did you do to get the high beam to work ?

If I buy the new BCM I might as well go for the LED Xenons.
I have ordered the cornering modules of eBay, not sure if they are the right ones but they can be returned if not.
I thought I might as well fit the module as it is under the light and would mean bumper off again if I decided to later.

I will leave the self levelling until later on.

Looks like I am in for a bit of a wait for the bulb adaptors as Steve has found out.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 19 February 2011, 09:06
I will have to order a new BCM either way unless I do your high beam shutter mod.  :laugh:
What did you do to get the high beam to work ?

Looks like I am in for a bit of a wait for the bulb adaptors as Steve has found out.

Super simple and reversible, on the rear of the main beam unit there is a 2 wire connector going into a solenoid, simply unplug it and connect one wire to earth, the other to your original main beam, job done.

I have a photo of the rear of the main beam somewhere that I'll dig out  :wink:

FYI the main beams won't normally work unless the cornering module is fitted and the BCM as they are controlled via the cornering module.

Don't be too put off about removing the bumper as it's really easy, less than 10 mins on the second go I think, I just left carpet below it to save removing the headlamp washers etc.

Didn't know about the bulb adapters - made me scratch my head at first  :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 19 February 2011, 09:16
Thanks Doc, good info there  :smiley:

The part number for the cornering module is 7L6941329B, the ones I have ordered don't have the B so may not work.
The German eBay seller said they would.

Do you have to take the headlight washer covers off before removing the bumper or are the washers attached to the bumper?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 19 February 2011, 09:58
Does anyone know where the part number 5M0907357C, cornering unit,  goes in the car?
Do you need a loom to attach it or does it connect to the headlight unit?

**edit**

Just found where it should go, passenger side panel.

I think that rules out getting the cornering to work unless someone has the pinouts of the loom required to connect it.   :cry:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 19 February 2011, 11:14
I know nothing about this cornering module, sorry  :sad:

The washer covers stay on, basically the bumper is held in place by 20 (ish) screws, once these are removed the bumper comes off very easily, you need two people though as you need to pull the bumper ends away from the car then drop it forward, it's very easy :wink:

I laid mine on the floor with carpet underneath to protect it  :wink:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/THE%20DOC%20photos%20videos/photo6a.jpg)
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 19 February 2011, 11:47
OT but these are two videos i looked at before getting xenons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0418EkryrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzAG2Dd_9W0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcjfZeJeFJw

Snoops: Are you sure the second link should be there? :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 19 February 2011, 11:54
Im sure its not :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 19 February 2011, 17:19
I know nothing about this cornering module, sorry  :sad:

The washer covers stay on, basically the bumper is held in place by 20 (ish) screws, once these are removed the bumper comes off very easily, you need two people though as you need to pull the bumper ends away from the car then drop it forward, it's very easy :wink:

I laid mine on the floor with carpet underneath to protect it  :wink:

Thanks Doc, that Pic you mentioned of the rear of the light would be good, I think I am just going to copy your installation.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: KIX on 19 February 2011, 18:55
So in a Golf State and maybe some regular Golfs the Xenon Led retrofit  wont  work without major surgery:

Here is the connector  for the regular xenon:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/xenonCconnectors.jpg)

HEre is the one for Xenon LEds
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/xenonDledsconnector.jpg)

as you can see the pins are different, they can be pulgged and they  will work no dash light or problems but the LEDS WONT work.

The led version is a lot more complicated.

Also  just  for refecence pins 10 and 7 give 12 V to the parking lights but they wont fire up the leds.

If anyone has the  led assignments for the connectors  it will be greatly appreciated.

Still working on a "fix" for older version ... :cry:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 19 February 2011, 19:18
Pop them in the post I'll fix 'em  :grin:

Cant you wire into them directly? ie if you apply 12v will the illuminate?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 19 February 2011, 19:31
Are we 100% sure the variant is wired different to the hatch?
 iirc if you put LED bulbs in the sidelights of mk5s they don't light up either, unless you get the ones that have similar resistance to bulbs as the ECU cuts the power to them.
SteveP said his old central electric ecu would not light the xenonsLEDs and its why he had to buy a new one and recode it. So im wondering is it a different voltage/signal sent down the wire rather than different wiring. 
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: KIX on 19 February 2011, 20:54
Well I used the adaptation  on VCDS and ran all the test, when I get  to DRL 1 2 3 4 they LIGHT UP !!! perfectly  but unfortunately I have been trying to code with the long  code and they wont come on at all no matter what I do at bit 18 or 24 (I have followed some other who have done it, the only thing I get is a CEl and a rear reverse light on  (left side) that wont go off at all!!!

I am  trying to  figure out  where the cables go  because I bet the led controller muust recieve 12 V to  work.....Ill try to find it
If someone here has more info It willbe greatly appreciated.

Cheers M8´s
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 19 February 2011, 21:30
Does anyone know what the part numbers are for the two self levelling sensors on the Golf?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: SteveP on 19 February 2011, 21:35
Does anyone know what the part numbers are for the two self levelling sensors on the Golf?

Front = 1K0 941 274 C @ £105.30
 
Rear = 1K0 941 273 N @ £105.30

Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 19 February 2011, 21:44
Thanks Steve, you're the man  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: KIX on 23 February 2011, 04:15
Can someone with daytime running lights on regular headlights tell me what pins on the connector handle the 12V voltage  for the DRL bulb?
I still cant figure how to wire my led xenons...everything  works perfect except the Leds.
Maybe I need a regular DRL light switch !
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/Xenon%20DIY/P1070016-1.jpg)
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 23 February 2011, 06:34
I'd wire them into the fusebox so that when the engines running they are on full time while you work out a solution  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: KIX on 24 February 2011, 06:00
That is exactly what I was  planning to do If I could not  code them  but the insides are imposible to figure out (TONS OF TINNY CABLES), that is why I want the pins or schematics, maybe Ill try to open one of them to  see the led board.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 24 February 2011, 20:51
Do this "Well I used the adaptation  on VCDS and ran all the test, when I get  to DRL 1 2 3 4 they LIGHT UP !!! " and test the cables  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 27 February 2011, 18:04
Due to the £350 each cost of the light lenses, whats our views on the headlight protective covers VW sells :undecided:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/stephen8512/IMG_0580.jpg)

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/stephen8512/IMG_0581.jpg)


Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 27 February 2011, 18:52
Snoops: Won't the slight bit of extra refraction destroy beam clarity a bit?  :undecided:
Looks a bit naff too, IMO.
But ETTO.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: SteveP on 27 February 2011, 19:43
Not me personally, (touch wood) haven't see many modern headlights broken due to stones etc, and given how many miles I do a year I feel happy enough to take the risk  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 27 February 2011, 20:46
As above really, polycarbonate headlamps are hard as nails.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Jimble on 27 February 2011, 22:15
I personally wouldn't bother for the same reasons Steve's stated, i've seen worse examples in the past though.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: AGB on 01 March 2011, 13:15
Xenons are apparently old hat.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/gallery/2011/mar/01/geneva-motor-show-gallery#/?picture=372187979&index=3

Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 01 March 2011, 18:26
Still waiting on lights which are on back order..  :cry:

Got the Autoleveling cable from Kufatec and it confirms what I had suspected after a lot of reading.
The MK6 without ACC only has a rear sensor for autoleveling simplifying the wiring a bit.
Makes the total cost a bit cheaper too   :smiley:

Managed to get all the other bits at good prices from Sweden to Austria, so looks like a full install now with Autoleveling and steering LED lights.  :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 01 March 2011, 19:17
So what are the costs Mike and what's involved wiring wise?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 01 March 2011, 19:43
The extra parts for the Auto-levelling and AFS are

Control Module 5M0 907 357C - These can be bought on German ebay for about £45
Self Leveller for Rear 1K0 941 273L - Got this for £25
Power modules for the lights 7L6 941 329 B - These are hard to find cheap but I managed to track them down for £60 each.
Wiring loom from Kufatec although you could probably make it yourself.

The connections from the control module are

3 wires to the Autoleveller.
2 wires to each light connector.
2 wires to the CAN controller.
1 Switched 12V to the fuse box (I am going to use the fuse which the manual levelling uses at the moment which is the upper right most fuse)
***edit** can't use fuse as it also supplies other things like the MAF so I used position 5 instead and made a new circuit. ***

1 Ground

The control Module fits behind the passenger side panel on the dash.

(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/xenonfit/xenon2.jpg)

Unfortunately the Kufatec cable lengths do not mirror this so I will be extending a couple of wires to reach.

I also ordered a Rubber grommet (6N0 906 102) for the Leveller connection to keep the dirt out and some corrugated plastic pipe (N  107 324 01) to feed the cable through from outside.

It all looks reasonably straight forward if I can get the front upper grill section off  :laugh:

Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 02 March 2011, 20:22
Mike:
At some stage it would be welcome, for me at least, if you could kindly compile a detailed list of all the parts, even the most insignificant(!) ones, that would be required for a complete LED DRL Bi-Xenon retro-fit.
So far no one has really provided such a detailed list with prices. It has all been a bit piece-meal so far IMO.
My car is similar to yours and I would be grateful for your expertise in this matter.
You definitely are THE man. Be most grateful for this.
Thanks.
Asker
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: gizzywizzy on 03 March 2011, 23:16
Mike:
At some stage it would be welcome, for me at least, if you could kindly compile a detailed list of all the parts, even the most insignificant(!) ones, that would be required for a complete LED DRL Bi-Xenon retro-fit.
So far no one has really provided such a detailed list with prices. It has all been a bit piece-meal so far IMO.
My car is similar to yours and I would be grateful for your expertise in this matter.
You definitely are THE man. Be most grateful for this.
Thanks.
Asker

Don't turn Wolfgang into a chav mobile, those front LEDs do absolutely nothing for the look of the GTI, the Xenons on their own are way cooler.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 04 March 2011, 11:49
Amanda, I tend to agree with you. Seen one today at VW and this juror is definitely out for now. Might grow on me like a boil, though I do doubt it. :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 04 March 2011, 12:53
I saw a set yesterday at night and think they look superb   :evil:

Still on back order  :cry:

If you order them with the LEDs you always have the option of turning them on or off as they are the same price as the non LED unit  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 04 March 2011, 12:56
If you order them with the LEDs you always have the option of turning them on or off as they are the same price as the non LED unit  :smiley:

Very good point, I've never liked Audi "look at me" lights or any other variety of firy lights so I just can't have them  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 04 March 2011, 13:21
Unfortunately, you can still see that busy LED half-necklace when it is not annoyingly twinkling away. I'd just want to rip it out. :grin:
 
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 04 March 2011, 18:42
After looking at another LED DRL Bi-Xenon, Yes but, no but, yes but .....  :rolleyes:
Anyway, it's all a dream at the moment. :sad:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 06 March 2011, 22:11
Nearly all parts in now, I have passenger side light, still waiting on driver side light which is STILL on back order  :rolleyes:

Got the rear self-leveller fitted and the control module mounted, hopefully will have the other light by next weekend.  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 06 March 2011, 22:13
VW back order is just stupid long i have been waiting for well ive lost count now  :undecided:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 07 March 2011, 07:01
VW back order is just stupid long i have been waiting for well ive lost count now  :undecided:

You sound like yoda in that post mate  :wink:

I find it bizarre, like 80's shopping in Russia  :angry:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 09 March 2011, 11:28
Looks like a long wait, the light which is on back order is not expected for another three weeks at the earliest   :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Maybe I could fit one and go crosseyed  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 12 March 2011, 19:30
Decided to put in the new BCM today and get all the wiring in so I am ready when the lights arrive.

The CAN connections were a complete nightmare and if I had know what was involved I probably would not have bothered.

The CAN module is behind the BCM and relays and there is just enough cable for it to connect to the module.
Getting this out and getting wires attached to Pin 16 and 6 was nearly impossible and my hands are cut to shreds  :cry:

Done now, will rebuild the car up again tomorrow and hopefully all will be working  :smiley:

Edit: Just found out how I was supposed to access the CAN gateway, HERE (http://www.r32oc.com/tutorials-guides/30166-canbus-gateway-location-removal.html)

Just had a look under the bonnet and there is the access panel.. I'm sure my knuckles will have recovered in a week or so  :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: SteveP on 14 March 2011, 18:42
^^^ Good work Mike, looking forward to seeing it finished  :smiley:

Let me know if you need any of the coding details from the AFS controller as I don't believe the codes will be in VCDS (if you have bought the latest version C controller).

If anyone is considering this had a look in the classifieds later today as I have some parts to go towards this conversion left over from the bits I got for my Tiguan  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 18 March 2011, 18:01
Let There be light again  :laugh: :laugh:

(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/xenonfit/xenon5.jpg)

Still need to get the AFS module coded properly but everything else working well.

The LEDs look so much better in real life as they are pure white..

Off for a beer now  :evil:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 18 March 2011, 18:18
 :smiley: Well done  :cool:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Buck on 18 March 2011, 19:42
Let There be light again  :laugh: :laugh:

(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/xenonfit/xenon5.jpg)

Still need to get the AFS module coded properly but everything else working well.

The LEDs look so much better in real life as they are pure white..

Off for a beer now  :evil:

Mike

Looks superb!

Looking forward to the full write up and pics!
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 18 March 2011, 20:57
Good man, that's a lot of work right there  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 18 March 2011, 22:17
Thanks guys, it took a while but I got there in the end.

Without the help of SteveP I would still be trying to get them working. I owe you a big favour Steve :smiley:

I couldn't get the LEDs to light even after coding exactly as you had documented in the other forum.

Steve had sent me his original coding for his BCM so I just copied and pasted that into mine and did the LED coding again and all was well  :smiley:

I must compare the two and see what made the difference.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: SteveP on 19 March 2011, 07:59
^^^ Glad to have been of help  :smiley:

The lights looks great against the TR Paint  :drool:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 19 March 2011, 14:35
Thanks Steve, got the self levelers and AFS working now so really pleased.

I tried your AFS code but it started looking for an ACC controller, got another one of the web for a MK6 without ACC (1446940) and that sorted it. Just need to check with countrytruckers car sometime as he has the same setup as me.

Have to wait until it is dark now and go drive down a windy lane  :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 20 March 2011, 11:59
For anyone else doing this on an originally Halogen equipped car without ACC, these are the parts I used.  :smiley:

(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/xenonfit/xenonParts.jpg)

I had to modify the Kufatec loom for the autolevelers quite a bit as the lengths were wrong for where I wanted to place the AFS controller.
Also the CAN feeds to the headlights were not twisted pairs so I rewired those as well.

The hardest part was getting to the CAN controller and getting wires connected to the CANH and CANL pins.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 20 March 2011, 21:05
nice work  :wink:

Total cost?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: KIX on 21 March 2011, 00:11
Finally I got mine  working after putting bit 5 on byte 18 .... after tons of trial and error...
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/xenonledsok.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f64/redbarchetta54/gswbug.jpg)

BTW I have one extra  pair of Xenon  with leds
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 21 March 2011, 10:40
nice work  :wink:

Total cost?

All in, I have probably spent about £1250-£1300 for a full OEM set-up with AFS and auto-levellers.
I managed to get good discount from the dealer, after a lot of haggling, for the parts I couldn't pick-up from German Ebay. It took me about a month or more tracking down all the parts but the bargains are there if you wait  :smiley:

So about £100 more than factory order which I am happy enough with as I would have ordered Xenons anyway if I had got the car new.

Went out last night in the dark and the AFS works well on the country roads as does the auto-levellers, stopped the car on a straight and when I booted it the lights remained level  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 23 March 2011, 14:34
Good work mate  :wink:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: SteveP on 25 March 2011, 08:11
With the parts I have left from the conversation I was working on for my Tiguan and as part of putting mine back to standard ready for chopping it in a month or so I am going to have a large number of the parts available for this conversion, I would rather these go to a forum member and hopefully we can put together a good how to guide for others  :smiley:

The bits I have are: -

2 x LED Xenon Headlights (UK RHD Spec)
2 x OEM Bulbs D1S Bulbs
2 x Bulb Retaining rings
2 x Hella D1S Ballasts
1 x Kufatec 12-14pin Halogen to Xenon Adapters
1 x AFS (357 C controller)
1 x BCM Controller (latest 87E Z0K version running 575 software)

So to complete for the same install as mike you will need the 2 x AFS Power Modules, Kufatec AFS Loom and the Self level sensor (about £200-£300 max depending on where you pruchase the bits from).

If anyone is interested please let me know  :cool:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 26 March 2011, 15:51
^ Oh thats a bit of a shock.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: am1w on 26 March 2011, 23:08
With the parts I have left from the conversation I was working on for my Tiguan and as part of putting mine back to standard ready for chopping it in a month or so I am going to have a large number of the parts available for this conversion, I would rather these go to a forum member and hopefully we can put together a good how to guide for others  :smiley:

The bits I have are: -

2 x LED Xenon Headlights (UK RHD Spec)
2 x OEM Bulbs D1S Bulbs
2 x Bulb Retaining rings
2 x Hella D1S Ballasts
1 x Kufatec 12-14pin Halogen to Xenon Adapters
1 x AFS (357 C controller)
1 x BCM Controller (latest 87E Z0K version running 575 software)
So to complete for the same install as mike you will need the 2 x AFS Power Modules, Kufatec AFS Loom and the Self level sensor (about £200-£300 max depending on where you pruchase the bits from).
If anyone is interested please let me know  :cool:

Chopping as in breaking it up or selling it?  :undecided:
Either way, a bit of a shock.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: SteveP on 27 March 2011, 20:16
^^^ Selling up.

Xenon's now in the classifieds  :smiley:

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=187783.0
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 01 April 2011, 19:21
Has anyone a scan of a car with Factory LEDs.

Just wondering what the dimming value is set to.
I have it set to 100% at the moment and they are very bright, so bright in fact you could drive at night with only them on  :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Snoopy on 03 April 2011, 18:46
As for the small sidelight on the old xenons anyone found really powerful sidelight LEDs to fit ie 21W ones yet?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 03 April 2011, 22:49
As for the small sidelight on the old xenons anyone found really powerful sidelight LEDs to fit ie 21W ones yet?

No but looking HARD for something  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: corrado1441 on 24 May 2011, 00:00
Ok, one quick question how can you tell if your car is fitted with or without the electronic shock absorber for the auto headlight leveling ? Just so I know what parts to get or what kit to buy from Kufatec.

Thanks
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 24 May 2011, 00:05
Ok, one quick question how can you tell if your car is fitted with or without the electronic shock absorber for the auto headlight leveling ? Just so I know what parts to get or what kit to buy from Kufatec.

Thanks

You have a button for it next to the traction control button.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: corrado1441 on 24 May 2011, 00:08
Cheers not my car its a customers and he wants xenons fitted, so need to price it all up for him.

Thanks
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 24 May 2011, 00:22
Cheers not my car its a customers and he wants xenons fitted, so need to price it all up for him.

Thanks

I think he'll change his mind  :grin:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: corrado1441 on 24 May 2011, 23:02
What about the range control motor is on the ETKA diagram but no part number, says is not exchangable ????

Thanks
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 25 May 2011, 08:26
That part comes as part of the headlight unit.

All the parts you need I listed on POST 581 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=165998.msg1745907#msg1745907)  unless the car has ACC in which case the Autolevelers should be already insatlled although I haven't confirmed that with anone yet.  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 25 May 2011, 09:14
That part comes as part of the headlight unit.

All the parts you need I listed on POST 581 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=165998.msg1745907#msg1745907)  unless the car has ACC in which case the Autolevelers should be already insatlled although I haven't confirmed that with anone yet.  :smiley:

Hi Mike - where would I look to find them?  :wink:

Has your package arrived yet?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 12 June 2011, 08:10
Here's a set of xenons fir sale on flea bay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK6-R20-ADAPTIVE-XENON-HEADLIGHTS-COMPLETE-/320712290509?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4aabf130cd#ht_500wt_922
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Exonian on 12 June 2011, 10:10
Nice spot Herr Doc, but 'grab a bargain'? Or are there a lot of ancillaries attached to those that mean most of the retro fit would be complete?
Sorry, but it's been a while since all the xenon retro fit excitement and I've lost track of what's what apart from Mike's very useful parts list and Asker's price list from his German supplier.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 12 June 2011, 22:14
Do you have acc?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Exonian on 13 June 2011, 12:32
Nein.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: frodobaggins on 20 July 2011, 20:40
Hi, this is my first post on the forum and I wondered if you guys can help....

I have a Tiguan (which I think is based on the Golf 6?) and am looking to gather parts for an OEM xenon retrofit.

I realise I can get a kufatec harness, ballast, D1S bulbs etc and complete a retrofit without auto levelling.

However I would like to install auto levelling and AFS if possible - just can't find any retrofit instructions to be confident to DIY it !  :sad:

Can anyone out there help with a DIY guide to do the auto levelling  - or is it best to avoid this ?

Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: mike. on 20 July 2011, 22:34
Here is a link (http://furmanka.blogspot.com/2007/12/mk5-wiata-ksenonowe-z-samopoziomowaniem.html) on what is involved in fitting the autolevelers on a MK5 golf.

This may put you off  :laugh:

I have done it on the MK6 but not sure I would tackle it again, the hardest part for me was connecting into the CAN BUS wiring for the AFS controller.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 28 August 2011, 16:39
Has anyone tried these "made in china" versions???

http://www.wphidled.com/sdp/1363324/4/pd-5818148/9073428-2335434/OME_HID_headlight_kit_for_golf_6.html#normal_img
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Exonian on 30 August 2011, 15:28
Has anyone tried these "made in china" versions???

http://www.wphidled.com/sdp/1363324/4/pd-5818148/9073428-2335434/OME_HID_headlight_kit_for_golf_6.html#normal_img

Interesting. I wonder just how 'plug and play' they are.
The only issues I can see are that they aren't E marked so may have insurance and MOT complications. Aside from the lack of self levelling and possible CECM complications. If it weren't for that I think I'd order a set just for experimental purposes.
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Exonian on 07 September 2011, 16:41
Quote
Dear Andy,
 
       Good day !
       Thank you for your interested in our products !
 
       For our headlight kit , it needs special to make for UK.
       The MOQ is 10 pairs .
 
       I hope I will become your best friend from China !
 
       We are looking forward to establishing longterm business relationship with you soon !
       Thank you very much !
 
Best Regards,
Amy

 

So we need at least 10 orders!!
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Spin 150pd on 15 October 2011, 11:39
Quote
Dear Andy,
 
       Good day !
       Thank you for your interested in our products !
 
       For our headlight kit , it needs special to make for UK.
       The MOQ is 10 pairs .
 
       I hope I will become your best friend from China !
 
       We are looking forward to establishing longterm business relationship with you soon !
       Thank you very much !
 
Best Regards,
Amy

 

So we need at least 10 orders!!

Has anybody tried these yet ?
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: The Doc on 15 October 2011, 11:42
No mate I don't think so  :smiley:
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Exonian on 15 October 2011, 14:55
Quote
Dear Andy,
 
       Good day !
       Thank you for your interested in our products !
 
       For our headlight kit , it needs special to make for UK.
       The MOQ is 10 pairs .
 
       I hope I will become your best friend from China !
 
       We are looking forward to establishing longterm business relationship with you soon !
       Thank you very much !
 
Best Regards,
Amy

 

So we need at least 10 orders!!

Has anybody tried these yet ?

They're the same lights as sold by the guy who spammed the forum a bit the other day http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/new-VW-GOLF-MK6-R20-STYLE-HID-Xenon-Complete-Projector-Headlight-Kit-NEW-RHD-UK-/150670293007?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2314a6380f

Nice mark up from the original Chinese price!
I was going to give them a shot if I could have ordered one set from China but they wanted a minimum order of 10. The fact that they're not E marked (insurance issues etc) and that my insurance was going up and up on my last GTI each time I added a modification I decided to just jump ship and get a car with factory bi-xenons in the end.
So my xenons ended up costing me a good few grand!!
Title: Re: XENONS - Questions and answers on retrofitting and functionality.
Post by: Spin 150pd on 17 October 2011, 11:13
Quote
Dear Andy,
 
       Good day !
       Thank you for your interested in our products !
 
       For our headlight kit , it needs special to make for UK.
       The MOQ is 10 pairs .
 
       I hope I will become your best friend from China !
 
       We are looking forward to establishing longterm business relationship with you soon !
       Thank you very much !
 
Best Regards,
Amy

 

So we need at least 10 orders!!

Has anybody tried these yet ?

They're the same lights as sold by the guy who spammed the forum a bit the other day http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/new-VW-GOLF-MK6-R20-STYLE-HID-Xenon-Complete-Projector-Headlight-Kit-NEW-RHD-UK-/150670293007?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2314a6380f

Nice mark up from the original Chinese price!
I was going to give them a shot if I could have ordered one set from China but they wanted a minimum order of 10. The fact that they're not E marked (insurance issues etc) and that my insurance was going up and up on my last GTI each time I added a modification I decided to just jump ship and get a car with factory bi-xenons in the end.
So my xenons ended up costing me a good few grand!!
Thanks for the replies,  I think I will pass on this one and look at getting a car with them fitted from the factory next year as its a big outlay with no guarantee of a good return,  I am loving being back in a GTI though :)
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: vwhanker on 12 February 2012, 17:27
hi, now my ride is golf 1.4 tsi halogen, i planing change to VW original bi-xenon with LED.

someone can help me to quote what part i should change and any coding need to perform ???
 
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 20 April 2012, 00:41
Hi guys,

Sorry to bump an old thread.

New member here. Been doing a lot of snooping around this thread whilst attempting a xenon retrofit on my mk6.

So far i have installed the units and had the car coded, the headlights work great.

I then moved on to installing the main beam shutter wire which took a long time and involved a lot of sifting through forums and some re-wiring to extend the adapter trigger wiring and in the end i got them connected to the CECM.

But i can't get the high beam to light up!

I have checked my wiring and connections, cleared fault codes but still nothing.

Does anyone know what i've missed?

Thanks in advance,

Chris

ps as far as im aware my CECM should be up to date, car is 2011 (61 plate) and i have R led tail lights retrofitted and fucntioning fully.
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: SteveP on 22 April 2012, 20:50
I doubt the CECM will have the pins connected for the Xenon shutters, so it will need to be replaced with a version that supports it.
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: arj7 on 24 April 2012, 23:58
Im considering getting it done, if I get the car  :wink:

Does anyone offer the service to fit it, as It will beyond me?
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 27 April 2012, 20:18
I doubt the CECM will have the pins connected for the Xenon shutters, so it will need to be replaced with a version that supports it.


This is my BCM part no. BCM PQ35 B 110 0651

Fault codes I'm getting are along the lines of

01495 bulb for high beams left (m30)
010- open or short to plus

01499 same as above but right (M32)
010- open or short to plus.

You reckon my BCM just doesn't have the pins in it? Can I put them in? Maybe a stupid question...
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 27 April 2012, 20:35
Im considering getting it done, if I get the car  :wink:

Does anyone offer the service to fit it, as It will beyond me?

I can possibly help but as you can see its not easy I'm still having bother getting high beams working
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: mike. on 27 April 2012, 21:08

This is my BCM part no. BCM PQ35 B 110 0651

Fault codes I'm getting are along the lines of

01495 bulb for high beams left (m30)
010- open or short to plus

01499 same as above but right (M32)
010- open or short to plus.

You reckon my BCM just doesn't have the pins in it? Can I put them in? Maybe a stupid question...

You need the rest of the part number as well.

This is mine

   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 E    HW: 1K0 937 087 E
   Component: BCM PQ35  H+  103 0575 

If your part number ends in 086 instead of 087 then as Steve says it won't have the pins for the high beam shutters and you will need a new BCM.

As far as the install is concerned it is relatively straight forward except if you want to add the AFS function which will require you to attach two wires to the CAN bus. This is made at the CAN controller which is located deep in the dash above the drivers footwell behind the BCM.
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: mike. on 28 April 2012, 09:06

Fault codes I'm getting are along the lines of

01495 bulb for high beams left (m30)
010- open or short to plus

01499 same as above but right (M32)
010- open or short to plus.

You reckon my BCM just doesn't have the pins in it? Can I put them in? Maybe a stupid question...

These fault codes are due to the fact that there are no secondary high beam bulbs like the halogen setup.

If you Set Bit 2 in Byte 17 of the BCM that should clear those.
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 28 April 2012, 17:39
Thanks Mike.

I will need to see if I can check the rest of the BCM info then. Are you able to physically see the numbers or would I need to get it hooked up to Vag com again?

Changing the bits you mentioned wouldn't be a reason why the high beam isn't working at the moment would it? If I had the correct pins, BCM and wiring I'm guessing my bi xenon high beam would work just with the fault codes still displaying for the other high beam?
Only asking this as I don't have access to vag com at the mo.
Was back Again at a guy in the Glasgow area for the 3rd time to no avail so I will need to leave it for a little bit I think before I go back.
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: mike. on 28 April 2012, 20:17
You're right, that error will not stop the high beam shutters working as I had it for a while, before I found out how to turn it off, and the high beam worked.

You might be able to see the label if you look under the dash above the accelerator pedal, depends how flexible you are  :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 29 April 2012, 10:41
You're right, that error will not stop the high beam shutters working as I had it for a while, before I found out how to turn it off, and the high beam worked.

You might be able to see the label if you look under the dash above the accelerator pedal, depends how flexible you are  :laugh:


Oh well better start pricing a new BCM  :sad:

Ye I will give it a go. This retrofitting business would be a lot easier if I knew a contortionist  :tongue:

Another point I just remembered. I had to extend the wires for the shutters as the harness was designed for a LHD car so I just soldered 5 amp car wire in to extend them. Could this be the problem? What wire should I have used?

Chris
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: mike. on 29 April 2012, 10:51
No the wires will be fine, mine was the same as I had to extend it from the left side as well.

I had to buy a new BCM but managed to sell the old one as it removes the bulb out warning for anyone retrofitting rear LEDs
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 29 April 2012, 13:27
No the wires will be fine, mine was the same as I had to extend it from the left side as well.

I had to buy a new BCM but managed to sell the old one as it removes the bulb out warning for anyone retrofitting rear LEDs

Oh well at least it may have some use. Where did you buy your new BCm from? Kufatec?
If I'm going to this extent I may install afs and auto level too.
U reckon it would be a lot more work?
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: mike. on 30 April 2012, 10:48
I bought the BCM from the dealer, managed 20% discount so I think it was less than £200 and then got £100 for my old one so wasn't to bad in the end.

The AFS addition with self leveller did take me a while. The worst bit was connecting to the CAN bus at the CAN bus controller.
After I had cut my knuckles to bits I later found out it is easier to get the CAN controller from the engine bay as detailed HERE (http://www.r32oc.com/tutorials-guides/30166-canbus-gateway-location-removal.html)  :laugh:

I bought the self leveller loom from Kufatec (Part No. 37139) but had to extend the wiring as I am not sure where they had intended to place the AFS controller.
If you have ACC on the car then the self levellers should already be installed.

I put more details of the parts needed in THIS (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=165998.560) post.

Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 30 April 2012, 13:50
I bought the BCM from the dealer, managed 20% discount so I think it was less than £200 and then got £100 for my old one so wasn't to bad in the end.

The AFS addition with self leveller did take me a while. The worst bit was connecting to the CAN bus at the CAN bus controller.
After I had cut my knuckles to bits I later found out it is easier to get the CAN controller from the engine bay as detailed HERE (http://www.r32oc.com/tutorials-guides/30166-canbus-gateway-location-removal.html)  :laugh:

I bought the self leveller loom from Kufatec (Part No. 37139) but had to extend the wiring as I am not sure where they had intended to place the AFS controller.
If you have ACC on the car then the self levellers should already be installed.

I put more details of the parts needed in THIS (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=165998.560) post.



Okay, cool. I'll just have to find out which bcm i have before i work out what to do next then. This is turning into a long retro!!

Cheers for the links, they will come in handy!
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 01 May 2012, 17:05

This is my BCM part no. BCM PQ35 B 110 0651

Fault codes I'm getting are along the lines of

01495 bulb for high beams left (m30)
010- open or short to plus

01499 same as above but right (M32)
010- open or short to plus.

You reckon my BCM just doesn't have the pins in it? Can I put them in? Maybe a stupid question...

You need the rest of the part number as well.

This is mine

   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 E    HW: 1K0 937 087 E
   Component: BCM PQ35  H+  103 0575 

If your part number ends in 086 instead of 087 then as Steve says it won't have the pins for the high beam shutters and you will need a new BCM.

As far as the install is concerned it is relatively straight forward except if you want to add the AFS function which will require you to attach two wires to the CAN bus. This is made at the CAN controller which is located deep in the dash above the drivers footwell behind the BCM.

Checked my BCM today just looked up at it from the footwell area and the part number was visible.

It is 1k0 937 084 F

What part number am i after to get these xenons working then? The same as yours or just any that ends in 087?

Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: mike. on 01 May 2012, 17:57
This is the latest info I have, I think it came from RossTech

1K0-937-084 (Basic - Supports NO Fogs or Xenons)
1K0-937-085 (Low - Supports NO Fogs or Xenons)
1K0-937-086 (Medium - Supports Fogs but NO Xenons)
1K0-937-087 (High - Supports Fogs and/or Xenons)

Although it says 084 doesn't support Fogs, not sure whether that is front or back.
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 01 May 2012, 18:26
This is the latest info I have, I think it came from RossTech

1K0-937-084 (Basic - Supports NO Fogs or Xenons)
1K0-937-085 (Low - Supports NO Fogs or Xenons)
1K0-937-086 (Medium - Supports Fogs but NO Xenons)
1K0-937-087 (High - Supports Fogs and/or Xenons)

Although it says 084 doesn't support Fogs, not sure whether that is front or back.

Thanks!
Probably front because my car didn't come with front fogs.

What difference do the letters make after the part number?
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: mike. on 01 May 2012, 18:48
This is where things get a bit more complicated as it seems to depend on what options are fitted to the car.

This is where my knowledge runs out and I relied on SteveP to get the part number for the BCM I needed.

From what I can see you need 1K0 937 087 R XXX

The XXX is the bit I don't know and depends on the options, could be ZOB, ZOC, ZOD, ZOE etc..

Mine was ZOK..
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 01 May 2012, 19:31
This is where things get a bit more complicated as it seems to depend on what options are fitted to the car.

This is where my knowledge runs out and I relied on SteveP to get the part number for the BCM I needed.

From what I can see you need 1K0 937 087 R XXX

The XXX is the bit I don't know and depends on the options, could be ZOB, ZOC, ZOD, ZOE etc..

Mine was ZOK..

Did you not say your part no. was 1K0 937 087 E ?

Why do u reckon mine would be R?
Hope SteveP could maybe help me out on this then. I have no PM yet unfortunately.
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: mike. on 01 May 2012, 19:43
Mine was a 2010 car, from your number it looks like a 2011 car so the revision number cross references on ETKA to R

You should be able to PM now you have more than 10 posts  :laugh:
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: latta1989 on 01 May 2012, 20:56
Kl cheers. Ye it's 2011 car.

Woohoo go me.  :smug:

I'll try pm him see if he can post in here incase his answers help other folk too.
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: Mr GTD on 30 August 2012, 17:34
Just got a reply from my local dealer regarding parts for the retrofit... :shocked: :sick: :shocked: :sick:

 
 
 
Headlight Units...















1x Left Headlight...5K2941753D - £448.64 inc.VAT







1x Right Headlight...5K2941754D - £448.64 inc.VAT







2x Xenon Retaining rings...5M0941645 - £7.69 Each inc. VAT







*2x AFS Power module...7L6941329B - £168.74 Each inc. VAT







2x Xenon Ballast...5M0907391 – £181.07 Each inc.VAT







2x Xenon Bulb(D1S)...N10566103 - £154.43 Each inc. VAT







10x Srews....N10708601 – 49p each inc. VAT







*1x Kufatec Xenon adapter...36849 – Will have to order through Kufatec















AFS and Self Leveller (Only rear required for none ACC)















1x Self Leveller...1K0941273L – £121.44 inc. VAT







5x Screws...N10430103 – 26p each inc.VAT







5x Nuts...N10597701 – 53p each inc.VAT







1x Grommet....6N0906102 - £2.36 inc. VAT







*1x Kufatec Loom (for non ACC)...37139 – will have to order through Kufatec







1x AFS Controller...5M0907357C (H04, SW142) – £148.99 inc.VAT















BCM Controller















1x BCM...1K0937087EZ0K –  £287.53 inc. VAT (currently Back order)
 
 
 
 
All of the above parts will need to be ordered in with a expected delivery time of two working days (except the BCM controller),
 
These are non returnable parts so payment will be needed before ordering.

Total £2490.31 :sick: :shocked:
 
 
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: abh100 on 04 September 2012, 21:34
I was just wondering - was just looking at this kit:
http://www.carsystems.pl/xenon-dynamic-headlights-with-drl-golf-6-r20-5k941753e-5k1941754,id298.html

And it kinda made me wonder - I thought there was some kind of EU requirement that if you have Xenons they need to be kept properly free of dirt and so it's necessary to have an ability to clean them - i.e. with the headlight washers.

If I don't have the winter pack/headlight washers, would it likely fail an MOT does anyone know (when it becomes due!)?
Title: Re: XENONS - Q & A retrofitting & functionality
Post by: Johnny937 on 26 October 2012, 15:16
Does anyone know the correct coding for clearing main beam left/right bulb out warnings on dash?

This is for retro fitted xenons which where orginally halogen headlights.

 I changed byte 17 bit 2 which is (xenons fitted high beam not active) and this clears the codes but high beams dont work.

Read else where that using the bit editor in vcds can change byte 17 but need some info as i cant find the bit editor on vcds?

any help would be much appreciated