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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: benmartingolf on 01 March 2015, 19:47

Title: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: benmartingolf on 01 March 2015, 19:47
Hi all

I placed my order last week for my GTI and was told by my dealer it would be around the 16 week mark. Having spent far too many hours on forums the last few days some people have mentioned the MK7 may be getting a facelift around May time. If this is true does anyone know what may be included and if it's worth pushing my order back?

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Jimble on 01 March 2015, 20:31
It's unlikey that it'll get any kind of facelift, however around may each year the get model year updates which sometimes include equipment that was previously optional as standard or even little changes like a different image on one of the buttons.

Example:

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=260803.0
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 01 March 2015, 23:02
Agreed. There's not going to be a refresh this early in the GTI's life, just detail changes from year to year until a major facelit in a few years when the next generation MQB changes come in, more so with the ever evolving electronics and if VW decide to have a new 'family face' front end.
As all the newly released models are sharing the current Golf face that's unlikely for a while.

LED headlamps might start to creep into the range soon, new (evolved) media systems are creeping in too and possibly an Edition 40 late next year (assuming the R400 doesn't get released instead of it rather than as well as).

I think VW introduced the R Line to the UK as a bit of a range refresh alongside the Match so major changes aren't imminent anywhere in the Golf lineup
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 02 March 2015, 08:06
I would imagine it will be at least another two years before there's any major facelift
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 02 March 2015, 09:30
The Golf never really gets facelifts. Minor tweaks and trim revisons, yes, but they don't graft on whole new front ends like you'd often see Ford doing with the focus for example.
 
That said, many would argue that the MK6 was a facelifted MK5!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: benmartingolf on 02 March 2015, 09:36
Thanks for all the replies guys.

I'm this will be my first Golf. I think il just try to get it asap and not worry about any minor updates.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Mark V GTD on 02 March 2015, 09:53
I would echo all of what has been said earlier Ben. Its one of the good things about the Golf that the external appearance is not messed with during the life of any particular variant and even a new variant the change is generally a subtle development rather than a change in styling direction....
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 02 March 2015, 11:50
The only external change on the Mk6 was the addition of rear LED lights. Up until that point the GTI/D had the same rear as the vanilla spec Golf.
So its not like they would do that kind of change on the Mk7 as it already has different lights to set it apart.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: AndyG on 02 March 2015, 11:59
 Mk7 facelift,  I hope bloody not.Urinate on my chips why don't you.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: andrewparker on 02 March 2015, 17:21
I can't remember a Golf ever getting a face lift. Minor spec revisions yes, but no significant external changes.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 04 August 2015, 08:29
Autoexpress make mention of a facefifted Mk7 GTI coming late 2016:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/92375/new-vw-golf-gti-mk8-on-sale-in-2019-with-big-power-boost

Are we to take this with a pinch of salt? In my experience VW don't facelift the Golf between models.

Mk8 due 2019? That seems a bit too far off now VW have moved 5 year cycles. However the GTI may come a year into the Mk8's lifespan so 2019 would roughly fit.

H5O
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Websta24 on 04 August 2015, 11:42
Autoexpress make mention of a facefifted Mk7 GTI coming late 2016:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/92375/new-vw-golf-gti-mk8-on-sale-in-2019-with-big-power-boost

Are we to take this with a pinch of salt? In my experience VW don't facelift the Golf between models.

Mk8 due 2019? That seems a bit too far off now VW have moved 5 year cycles. However the GTI may come a year into the Mk8's lifespan so 2019 would roughly fit.

H5O

Those MK8 mock-ups look horrendous
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 04 August 2015, 12:24
Those MK8 mock-ups look horrendous

I know.. horrific!!! :sick: The Mk8 GTI will never end up looking like that though. Rest easy :wink:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: matchboy on 04 August 2015, 12:51
Car magazine were reporting that the Mk 8 is slated for a 2018 release, which means 2019 for the GTI etc.

Also, I can't see VW chucking in 320 horses into the Mk 8 GTI.  The jump from the 6 to the 7 was only 20-30, and I'm pretty sure it was a similar jump from the 5 to the 6.  I'd expect the Mk 8 GTI to have around 280-290 bhp.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Rhyso on 04 August 2015, 13:45
MK5 - MK6 was 10bhp
MK6 - MK7 is 9bhp or 19bhp if you spec the PP

So on those figures the MK8 should have approx 235-240bhp

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: matchboy on 04 August 2015, 14:28
MK5 - MK6 was 10bhp
MK6 - MK7 is 9bhp or 19bhp if you spec the PP

So on those figures the MK8 should have approx 235-240bhp

That's what I meant to say!  :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Websta24 on 04 August 2015, 15:17
A ten speed DSG.....ten speed?!

Seems a little OTT!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Rhyso on 04 August 2015, 15:26
MK5 - MK6 was 10bhp
MK6 - MK7 is 9bhp or 19bhp if you spec the PP

So on those figures the MK8 should have approx 235-240bhp

That's what I meant to say!  :laugh:

Of course  :kiss: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 04 August 2015, 16:21
A ten speed DSG.....ten speed?!

Seems a little OTT!

I tend to agree. I've driven both the dry 7 speed and wet 6 speed DSG boxes. Both excellent. The 6 speed wet can take a lot more lb ft of torque. However I would be slightly concerned once we hit 10 gear ratios as it would be constantly changing gear. No doubt the fuel comedy will improve but it could become quite tedious changing all the time especially for a sporty drive. Obviously you can take over manually but sometimes you just want the box to do the hard graft for you.

On the other hand I'm quite excited by the engineering :nerd:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 04 August 2015, 16:55
Are we to take this with a pinch of salt? In my experience VW don't facelift the Golf between models.



Not a facelift as such but they did add LED rear lights to the GTD/I on the mk6.

They also added Leather and Nav to the outgoing Mk6 so I wonder what they could add to the outgoing model of the Mk7 as the specs are really high as it is. 

Just leather maybe?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 04 August 2015, 17:54
I was just watching an advert fro the new BMW 3 series. A quick look on the interweb shows that the car was just 3 years old :o Remember the Mk6 was replaced after just 4 years. Maybe VW are going to refresh their cars more often?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 04 August 2015, 18:42
I definitely read that VW are moving to 5 year update cycle post Mk7.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 04 August 2015, 18:52
I was just watching an advert fro the new BMW 3 series. A quick look on the interweb shows that the car was just 3 years old :o Remember the Mk6 was replaced after just 4 years. Maybe VW are going to refresh their cars more often?

Also remember that the MK6 was really a MK5 facelift. The MK8 is likely to be a MK7 facelift, you'll likely only see big changes every other model. MK7 to MK8 is highly likely to be entirely superficial with some spec changes.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 30 September 2015, 14:24
I see that some information about an A3 facelift for 2016 is appearing. Also some German articles about a Golf facelift for 2016.

Are VAG going from a 5 year to a 4 year update cycle? Mk6 to Mk7 was just 4 years.

Perhaps someone can post links as it is difficult from my phone.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: J400uk on 30 September 2015, 18:04
Mk6 was an exception, usually each generation of Golf involves a new chassis. So I'd expect the Mk8 will be the debut for an MQB Evo platform. Mk7 will probably have a longer life span than the  Mk5 and Mk6 did individually, but not as long combined, if that makes sense!

Audi usually do facelifts so the A3 8V will probably get an interim update to keep it fresh
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 02 October 2015, 13:21
Mk6 was an exception, usually each generation of Golf involves a new chassis. So I'd expect the Mk8 will be the debut for an MQB Evo platform. Mk7 will probably have a longer life span than the  Mk5 and Mk6 did individually, but not as long combined, if that makes sense!

Audi usually do facelifts so the A3 8V will probably get an interim update to keep it fresh
You may be right about the Mk8.

Though I think that the 'traditional' Golf update cycle may change. If Audi are doing a facelift next year for the A3 so could VW on the Golf.

Here is the article I could not link to earlier...

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-vorschau-5519781.html

From google translation... "The competition is not sleeping..."




Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 02 October 2015, 13:39
Mk6 was an exception, usually each generation of Golf involves a new chassis. So I'd expect the Mk8 will be the debut for an MQB Evo platform. Mk7 will probably have a longer life span than the  Mk5 and Mk6 did individually, but not as long combined, if that makes sense!

Audi usually do facelifts so the A3 8V will probably get an interim update to keep it fresh
You may be right about the Mk8.

Though I think that the 'traditional' Golf update cycle may change. If Audi are doing a facelift next year for the A3 so could VW on the Golf.

Here is the article I could not link to earlier...

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-vorschau-5519781.html

From google translation... "The competition is not sleeping..."

I think VAG have put far too much time and money into the MQB chassis to be ditching it after only 4 or 5 years. What needs changing? The MK7 ride and handling is superb, a real jump ahead of the MK5/MK6/Scirocco. Expect a MK8 in 2017, which will look as different from teh MK7 and the MK6 did from the MK5.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 16 April 2016, 22:04
Mk6 was an exception, usually each generation of Golf involves a new chassis. So I'd expect the Mk8 will be the debut for an MQB Evo platform. Mk7 will probably have a longer life span than the  Mk5 and Mk6 did individually, but not as long combined, if that makes sense!

Audi usually do facelifts so the A3 8V will probably get an interim update to keep it fresh
You may be right about the Mk8.

Though I think that the 'traditional' Golf update cycle may change. If Audi are doing a facelift next year for the A3 so could VW on the Golf.

Here is the article I could not link to earlier...

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-vorschau-5519781.html

From google translation... "The competition is not sleeping..."
Big Bump!!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 16 April 2016, 23:59
http://www.auto-moto.com/nouveautes/scoop/scoop-volkswagen-golf-8-levolution-en-marche-19184.html (http://www.auto-moto.com/nouveautes/scoop/scoop-volkswagen-golf-8-levolution-en-marche-19184.html)

"The new Volkswagen Golf 8, ​​or rather 7.5, will land concession in the spring"

Can anyone translate French?

Illustration...
(http://sf1.viepratique.fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2015/11/ok01-VW-GOLF-8-750x410.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 17 April 2016, 07:55
http://www.auto-moto.com/nouveautes/scoop/scoop-volkswagen-golf-8-levolution-en-marche-19184.html (http://www.auto-moto.com/nouveautes/scoop/scoop-volkswagen-golf-8-levolution-en-marche-19184.html)

"The new Volkswagen Golf 8, ​​or rather 7.5, will land concession in the spring"

Can anyone translate French?

Illustration...
(http://sf1.viepratique.fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2015/11/ok01-VW-GOLF-8-750x410.jpg)
I don't know what others on this forum will think, but to me that grille and front end make it look more like a Peugeot.  Hope that is not the final actual rendering, and some magazine graphic designer has gone wildly off track retouching a random picture of a golf in photoshop.

I have noticed since the GTE came out all retouch images of golfs include the weird looking DRL's around the lower 'C' shape grilles.  I am unsure if I actually like those 'C' Grilles, to me they look a bit awkward.  :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 17 April 2016, 10:24
^^^^^^Those renderings always come from AutoExpress sister companies and are usually reasonably wide of the mark and pretty dreadful photoshops.
I'd agree that the mk8 will be more of a mk7.5 though, VW aren't going to invest all that money in MQB for nothing, especially with their current woes that have barely even started.
For the mk8 Golf, depending on how close to production it is, I'd think to be looking at the just launched Tiguan as the newest and freshest face of the group it's the one that will have to wait the longest for a facelift - therefore it'll have the face the company want to carry forward. Basically the next Golf will be more angular again like the Tig with the bumper grilles following the shape of the ClubSport but in a toned down way.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: gtiaps on 17 April 2016, 16:19
Even tho it's probably just a touch up im definitely not a fan of the front grille looks too much like the new passat all cheap looking chrome or as already said a Peugeot much prefer the mk7 grille as it is now as it's more like the wife's scirocco  :cool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 April 2016, 18:25
How about a Seat Leon with a VW badge?

(http://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/acbd04694b6bd1efed0f7539deba0ebb-jpg.310267/)

(https://photos-0.carwow.co.uk/blog/1600/MK8-golf-blue-motion-FRONT-1.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 17 April 2016, 18:37
I like the lower one. The shaped headlights and 20" alloys with lowered suspension do it for me.  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 17 April 2016, 18:40
The lower composite render also does it for me.  This is how would expect the MK8 to appear closer to, in reality, albeit minus the 20" alloys as they would be a very costly optional extra if VW had anything to do with it :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 April 2016, 18:44
Does this remind anyone of the old Ford Focus with a VW badge?

(http://images.car.bauercdn.com/pagefiles/16638/1040x585/vw_golf_gti_mk8.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 17 April 2016, 18:47
It looks Mazda ish and also looks like it's chewing a brick.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: 2014GTi on 17 April 2016, 19:07
I believe Germany will get its Golf 7 facelift end of this year Q4 which includes the new VW corporate face along with full LCD/TFT cluster options including MIBIII Gesture Control.
The UK should get the facelift first Q1 of 2017
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wantmygti on 17 April 2016, 19:42
Is it just me wondering if the mk 7 facelift and the mk 8 are one and the same car?!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: 2014GTi on 17 April 2016, 20:54
Is it just me wondering if the mk 7 facelift and the mk 8 are one and the same car?!
I believe it's a MK7 facelift as I doubt VW will change the MQB platform so soon given VW's financial situation.
MK8 should come in 3-4 years as a guess.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 17 April 2016, 21:08
Is it just me wondering if the mk 7 facelift and the mk 8 are one and the same car?!
I believe it's a MK7 facelift as I doubt VW will change the MQB platform so soon given VW's financial situation.
MK8 should come in 3-4 years as a guess.

Depends where VW go with it.
The mk6 was a mk5 facelift where as the same generation A3 and Leon just got facelifts.
The MQB A3 is getting a facelift so the Golf could go either way, it might get a mild facelift soonish or they may do a major facelift in a couple years and call it a MK8.
The platform is adaptable enough.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 April 2016, 21:24
... mild facelift soonish ...
That's what I am hearing ;)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wantmygti on 17 April 2016, 21:25
Is it just me wondering if the mk 7 facelift and the mk 8 are one and the same car?!
I believe it's a MK7 facelift as I doubt VW will change the MQB platform so soon given VW's financial situation.
MK8 should come in 3-4 years as a guess.

Depends where VW go with it.
The mk6 was a mk5 facelift where as the same generation A3 and Leon just got facelifts.
The MQB A3 is getting a facelift so the Golf could go either way, it might get a mild facelift soonish or they may do a major facelift in a couple years and call it a MK8.
The platform is adaptable enough.

Exactly what I was thinking. The whole point of a facelift is it doesn't require new underpinnings.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 April 2016, 23:27
Exactly what I was thinking. The whole point of a facelift is it doesn't require new underpinnings.
The Mk5 and Mk6 both shared the PQ35 chassis and many of the same engines. No doubt the next Golf will have an MBQ chassis with basically the same engine choices.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 18 April 2016, 06:38
Mqb chassis will be here indefinitely so mk8,9,10 will be on this platform. It's why vw developed it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 19 April 2016, 13:59
LOL, I've just said similar on another thread.

I'm not sure MQB is imagined to last as long as you say though, but I'd guess its good for at least another 5 years.

I'd expect to see some newer engines for MQB first and the whole 100% electric/hybrid/fuel cell tech will be the driving factor....especially if you read my post about the Dutch making petrol power illegal in the near future!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Finglonga on 23 April 2016, 12:57
Not liking the squinty headlights at all if that is the direction they are going....
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GazM on 11 May 2016, 22:43
Was told by my local Dealer in Ireland today that I can't order a standard or performance GTI for July delivery (new reg plate comes in at end of June) as production of current GTI is ceasing in four weeks - the guy is normally reliable - he can't see details beyond that. Introduction of a facelift possibly?? Believe something similar happened recently with the A3
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 11 May 2016, 23:10
Was told by my local Dealer in Ireland today that I can't order a standard or performance GTI for July delivery (new reg plate comes in at end of June) as production of current GTI is ceasing in four weeks - the guy is normally reliable - he can't see details beyond that. Introduction of a facelift possibly?? Believe something similar happened recently with the A3

I have my doubts... Not that I'm doubting your salesman  :wink:

He's probably talking about week 22. Every year on week 22, VW make little tweaks and alterations. It totally screwed up the build week of my R last year... my build was pushed out to post week 22....

Your dealer probably means he can't put a factory order through for the current "MY16" Golf... the changes for week 22 this year though are very very minor I believe.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GazM on 11 May 2016, 23:33
I suspect you are probably correct Joe ... Will check with a different dealer
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 12 May 2016, 07:51
He is definitely talking about the factory shut down for 3-4 weeks around week 22.  When i ordered my GTI 3 years ago I was told the factory shuts down each year around this time for almost a month, so it would delay my build week, as originally I was told my GTI would be built around this time. 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 12 May 2016, 09:11
I don't think it shuts down then Brenbo. The summer shutdown is later, around mid August for 3 weeks. The week 22 thing is seamless, they would have the new parts / tooling ready to go for the new build specs on that week. However I remember chatting to my dealer in April last year and he did say that any new orders had to be for post week 22 at that stage.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GazM on 17 May 2016, 13:02
Chased VW Customer Care about my Dealer telling me that I cannot order a standard or performance GTI for July delivery. Looks like he was correct. Suspect this only applies to VW Ireland only but the email suggests otherwise. This is what I was told - standard GTI still available - GTI Performance gone- see below...

"I can confirm that the GTI is still available. The GTI Performance is no longer being manufactured. It will be replaced by the GTI Clubsport which is the 40 Year anniversary special edition of GTI. Our website will be updated in the next couple of weeks. We have yet to confirm pricing but we hope to have the vehicle ready for 162 delivery.

I trust this is to your satisfaction. Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require further assistance.


Volkswagen Customer Care"

Thoughts  ???
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 17 May 2016, 14:03
Interesting. As the email says, it seems the Clubsport is taking the place of the PP. Which makes sense in a way, as there's so many variations as it is and then there's the R too.

I'd be interested in seeing / hearing prices and specs for Irish Clubsports
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 17 May 2016, 15:18
I wonder if it's just a temporary suspension of the PP GTI or something more permanent?
The CS was supposed to be a limited production run (but not limited in number per se).

This kind of reminds me of this time last year when VW UK hiked their prices big time and there was much speculation on here and elsewhere as to exactly why. It was thanks to sniffing around friendly and knowledgable dealers to find the reason why that I ended up buying an R accidentally so I'm not sniffing round this time!

There's quite a gulf between a CS and a PP GTI so it'll be interesting to see if this is true and that once the CS run finishes there will be some sort of mild facelift of the range. The way the specs of some of the non performance Golfs were enhanced recently with 'Editions' does smack of run out model with increased spec. But then again tech and competitors move on a lot quicker than they have done historically so there's nothing concrete to draw upon apart from the A3 facelift.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Nano2nd on 18 May 2016, 17:28
is the PP suspension for just Ireland? or UK too... i'm on the cusp of ordering (final negotiations!)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 18 May 2016, 18:32
Ive had a PP on order that was delivered to the port on Sunday and the dealer called me today asking if i would let them have it for another dealer  complaint and would re order me one on a 162 plate.
I understand they are having issues with the price for the Clubsport here as it hits the same price point as an R. I suspect a de specified model will go on sale here.
i would say a limited run would fulfl orders as there are not too many GTI's on the road, certainly 151 onwards.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 18 May 2016, 18:45
PP option is still on the UK configurator, along with the Clubsport, which is a separate model.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: vw spur on 18 May 2016, 19:24
Ive had a PP on order that was delivered to the port on Sunday and the dealer called me today asking if i would let them have it for another dealer  complaint and would re order me one on a 162 plate.

What was your reply to the dealers question??
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 18 May 2016, 19:28
 No.

I repeated that a few times.
Although find it interesting they would replace with the Clubsport, ill call them tomorrow just in case!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 28 May 2016, 18:03
Auto Express - 11 May 2016

"Although the Mk7 will get a mild facelift this year, the new car – due in 2018 – will build on this."

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/89538/new-vw-golf-mk8-to-be-lighter-greener-and-more-practical (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/89538/new-vw-golf-mk8-to-be-lighter-greener-and-more-practical)

So a facelift this year and a MK8 in 2 years? How does that fit with the normal cycle?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mjh_056 on 29 May 2016, 17:07
Auto Express - 11 May 2016

"Although the Mk7 will get a mild facelift this year, the new car – due in 2018 – will build on this."

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/89538/new-vw-golf-mk8-to-be-lighter-greener-and-more-practical (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/89538/new-vw-golf-mk8-to-be-lighter-greener-and-more-practical)

So a facelift this year and a MK8 in 2 years? How does that fit with the normal cycle?

That cycle works quite well for me because as my R comes up to its 3 years the next wave of R should be coming of production line.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Pixwix on 29 May 2016, 18:59
PP option is still on the UK configurator, along with the Clubsport, which is a separate model.
I can't see it on configurator any more...it says pick engine but only 220 there, unless I'm being stupid.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 29 May 2016, 19:09
If you are referring to Performance pack it has never been an engine option on the configurator.  It is an option near the end of the configurator on the same page where you select sat nav, DCC and other similar options.  I have just checked and it still there for about £935 extra as an option waiting for you to select it.  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Pixwix on 29 May 2016, 21:59
If you are referring to Performance pack it has never been an engine option on the configurator.  It is an option near the end of the configurator on the same page where you select sat nav, DCC and other similar options.  I have just checked and it still there for about £935 extra as an option waiting for you to select it.  :smiley:
Thanks Brenbo, think I was still in shock at the price of the Clubsport I'd configured.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 30 May 2016, 21:16
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=de&u=http://www.autozeitung.de/auto-neuheiten/vw-golf-7-facelift-2016-preise-technische-daten&usg=ALkJrhizm3_wMKLsZ0-Pk7AntPYr1U1NLw (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=de&u=http://www.autozeitung.de/auto-neuheiten/vw-golf-7-facelift-2016-preise-technische-daten&usg=ALkJrhizm3_wMKLsZ0-Pk7AntPYr1U1NLw)

From the google translation, "The car industry is unanimous: Expected 2016 is VW , the Golf -7 facelift before."

What I believe is going to happen is a Golf facelift at the end of this year. As it is only a facelift then all models should be available in the UK early 2017 and waiting times should be reasonable depending on spec.

From what I have read - I also believe, the Mk8 will be announced at the end of 2018 and be available in the UK at the beginning of 2019. With performance models available after 6 months with long waiting lists. All ready for the new EU emission regulations in 2020.

Properly built Mk8's available early 2021?  :evil:


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Running Man on 31 May 2016, 17:41
I doubt there will be any noticeable changes to the mk7 despite this media announced 'facelift'

I'm sure the new mk8 still on the MQB platform will launch end of 2017/start of 2018 with the GTI in Autumn 2018 followed by the R in early 2019.

Just my one €euro's worth  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 31 May 2016, 23:54
I doubt there will be any noticeable changes to the mk7 despite this media announced 'facelift'

I'm sure the new mk8 still on the MQB platform will launch end of 2017/start of 2018 with the GTI in Autumn 2018 followed by the R in early 2019.

Just my one €euro's worth  :smiley:
You do know there has been an Audi A3 facelift? There is also going to be a Seat Leon facelift - have a google. These cars were all launched around the same time. Though the A3 facelift is very subtle. But then again the new A3 doesn't look much different from the old A3.

I'm expecting more from VW, especially on the performance models. I think they look too similar to the standard Golfs.

If it's just going to be for 1 year - then why bother with a facelift on all these cars?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Bullfinch on 02 June 2016, 23:32
I'm expecting more from VW, especially on the performance models. I think they look too similar to the standard Golfs.


I guess you never owned a Mk4 Golf GTi - now that really didn't look any different to a standard Golf.  Mk7 GTi looks very different to a standard Golf with its honeycomb grille, and LED lights front and rear.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Finglonga on 05 June 2016, 16:41

You do know there has been an Audi A3 facelift?

It needs a new design from wheels up, it is the most blandest looking car I have seen and even the salesman when I test drove one said he wished they would update the looks. They even made more of an effort on the TT facelift, all-be-it they gave up after the "B"pillar and it looks the same from the back. :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 June 2016, 21:26
My wife has a red A3 with Xenon head lights and LED rear lights. I think it looks nice in red and the lights mark it out against the older models. So I guess I see what performance Mk7 drivers are saying.

However, I would never buy an Audi because I find the driving position uncomfortable on long journeys. The car has ACC which we both like. When the cruise control is set there is no right foot rest like in the Golf. So in the Audi I end up pulling my foot back and bending my knee in a position which I find uncomfortable. It is ok for my wife as her legs are shorter. When I checked every car in the show room - the only Audi with room to rest my right foot was the A1.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 07 June 2016, 22:21
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-vorschau-technik-und-preis-5519781.html (http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-vorschau-technik-und-preis-5519781.html)

I can not get it to translate properly. As far as I can tell the performance models get different LED lights and air intake vents.

This bit is interesting, "And VW with the facelift of the current Golf announced for July 2016 must show how the brand in the future will develop. Can be seen externally little from the change."

And this bit, "...in order to keep Germany's top-selling car fit for the next three years ." So Mk8 in 2019?

Will this colour GTI/GTD be available in the UK?
(http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/1/6/3/1/4/0/9/Das-aendert-sich-beim-Golf-7-1200x800-3aefd1cf2f02fa9e.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 07 June 2016, 22:52
That looks really nice.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: iandjm on 08 June 2016, 00:39
Looks good, the only thing that makes me doubt the article a little is that it is still talking about the R400 being launched, which we know will now not go into production.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 08 June 2016, 07:44
I saw that article a few weeks ago and thought if it's true I would wait for it as really like the front end. So contacted my dealer and VWUK and both said they do not know of any plans for a facelift.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 08 June 2016, 08:16
Hmmm May 2015 and there is this thread:

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/2017-golf-vii-facelift.53550/

Full of various people's photoshops and guesses and hopes...

Meanwhile...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: iandjm on 08 June 2016, 08:38
And the interior shots are from the 'concept' shown at the CES in Las Vegas
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 08 June 2016, 08:56
Fantasy!  :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 08 June 2016, 09:40
All of the pictures (including the photo above), rumours, etc, are complete speculation and bad photoshop efforts from the likes of Auto Express and it's German equivalents.

That said... some of the upcoming changes in Irish specifications here would strongly suggest big changes are imminent. From July, they are discontinuing the regular GTI and GTI PP here. Only the Clubsport will be available. Various other "vanilla" models are being dropped from the range too. They're also throwing the kitchen sink at all variants of the Golf in terms of spec - leather will be "free" across many models, rear LED's on non GTI/R cars, Dynaudio apparently becoming standard in the GTI/R, etc...

That would suggest VW are clearing out the parts bins...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 08 June 2016, 09:58
Unless I saw the same thing happening in Germany, then I'd doubt they are cleaning up the warehouse...

Besides, VW will run "just in time", so they won't have vast stockpiles of anything.

Sounds more like VW Ireland need to sell more cars after the scandal (and the 20% fall in profits), so more for less is the way to win customers back.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 08 June 2016, 11:42
Unless I saw the same thing happening in Germany, then I'd doubt they are cleaning up the warehouse...

Besides, VW will run "just in time", so they won't have vast stockpiles of anything.

Sounds more like VW Ireland need to sell more cars after the scandal (and the 20% fall in profits), so more for less is the way to win customers back.

Yeah that could be a factor too, but VW still seem to be selling shedloads of cars here. Their PCP rates are the best around. The new Passat in particular seems to be everywhere. The likes of Hyundai however have become a really dominant seller here lately, very aggressive marketing campaign for the Tuscon which seems to be working. If anything, VW are probably feeling the pressure from that rather than any fallout from the emissions scandal.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Skye on 08 June 2016, 16:22
Hi,
A face lift seems the most likely. The Mk8 wont be here for at least a further three years. There have been no spy shots of test mules or prototypes at the motor shows of the Mk8.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 08 June 2016, 18:44
Meanwhile...
... we have the Audi A3 facelift and the Seat Leon facelift.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 08 June 2016, 18:57
I saw that article a few weeks ago and thought if it's true I would wait for it as really like the front end. So contacted my dealer and VWUK and both said they do not know of any plans for a facelift.
How well do you know your dealer? When I asked my dealer he said there would be a facelift Mk7 and it would be released in Germany at the end of this year - available in the UK early 2017.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 08 June 2016, 20:42
I have known the guy for about 6 years. He sent me a release they got from VW about the rumours in February.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Fabio Bignose on 08 June 2016, 22:06
Joe,

whilst not doubting what you've been told, how can the GTI and the GTI PP be discontinued and replaced with a limited edition model? The GTI is a GTI and appeals to the masses whereas the CS is a much more specialised model.
I cant believe that if you want a GTI now in Ireland, the customer can only buy a CS..? And expect the demand to be fufilled from limited stock..!?
To de-range for Ireland the most iconic Golf model if its not actually discontinued is wrong.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mjh_056 on 09 June 2016, 10:17
Before settled on moving to an R my wife dropped in quite hopefully that "a convertible Golf would be nice"

It was never going to happen but when was doing the showroom walkabouts you do still see as 'new' MK 6 Golf Convertibles

So what happened to the MK 7 Golf Convertible, we talking about face lifts but we not even seen one yet? Pretty sure we had even got up to the Golf R convertible being available in same time line on the MK 6.

Not that remotely interested in one, but have always wondered why it seems to be passing the MK 7

Maybe its the potentially low sales against the investment needed to make the MQB chassis robust enough?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 09 June 2016, 10:39

So what happened to the MK 7 Golf Convertible, we talking about face lifts but we not even seen one yet? Pretty sure we had even got up to the Golf R convertible being available in same time line on the MK 6.

Not that remotely interested in one, but have always wondered why it seems to be passing the MK 7

Maybe its the potentially low sales against the investment needed to make the MQB chassis robust enough?

There wasn't a mk2 or a mk5 convertible either, and the mk4 convertible was just a mk3 convertible with a mk4 'face'.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mjh_056 on 09 June 2016, 15:43

So what happened to the MK 7 Golf Convertible, we talking about face lifts but we not even seen one yet? Pretty sure we had even got up to the Golf R convertible being available in same time line on the MK 6.

Not that remotely interested in one, but have always wondered why it seems to be passing the MK 7

Maybe its the potentially low sales against the investment needed to make the MQB chassis robust enough?

There wasn't a mk2 or a mk5 convertible either, and the mk4 convertible was just a mk3 convertible with a mk4 'face'.

Did not realise this so not something new to miss a version, but a MK 6 GT convertible at MK 7 prices of £30k + is hardly attractive as it does look dated where think the MK 6 GTI etc still hold up quite well.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 09 June 2016, 16:44
It the images from Autobild are to be believed, I don't like the Clubsport style scoops in the front bumper, much prefer the slatted version of the current GTI and GTD.

Also, on the interior shots, a couple show the huge touchscreen that occupies the whole of the central area but where are the air vents - surely VW wouldn't delete central air vents and just rely on the two outer ones ? Then in other shots it shows a smaller head unit with the air vents intact - so who knows what's real and what's fantasy ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 09 June 2016, 16:50
To de-range for Ireland the most iconic Golf model if its not actually discontinued is wrong.
I was expecting the facelift launch to be at the Paris or Frankfurt motor show towards the end of this year. I was using google translate on a German forum. They said the Audi A3 was a paper launch. Therefore, the Golf facelift could be launched anytime. Sooner rather than later?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: brian1983 on 09 June 2016, 19:59
Hi all,

I've ordered a GTD in Ireland, and i have been told that I will get Dynaudio as standard now, and possibly leather too, I'm hoping this is correct.

I've been told the Comms number by the dealer, should he be able to conclusively tell if I will get these things? He is saying that he won't know until the car arrives, which seems very odd to me.

thanks in advance
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 09 June 2016, 20:20
Joe,

I believe it's because this is the first year for an anniversary edition in Ireland and the range and pricing would not work.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 25 June 2016, 19:10
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-launches-new-modular-petrol-engines (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-launches-new-modular-petrol-engines)

"Volkswagen launches new modular petrol engines" - 29 April 2016.

"... Audi's new 2.0-litre engine featured in the latest A4.

That 187bhp unit is expected to be used in the next-generation Golf GTI in more potent form, although this has not yet been confirmed."

That Audi engine is going to be in the A3 facelift. Will they put it in the GTI facelift this autumn? Or maybe they will keep it for the Mk8.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 25 June 2016, 19:58
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/28/volkswagen-engine-variable-turbo-ea211-vienna/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/28/volkswagen-engine-variable-turbo-ea211-vienna/)

"VW Group made a similar switch to the Miller cycle for the 2.0-liter turbocharged engine in the 2017 Audi A4. Unveiled at last year's International Vienna Motor Symposium, the upgraded mill had a wide torque spread and increased efficiency but without the extra benefit of VTG. We hope VW also incorporates the variable turbines into performance models because it could make the GTI an even hotter hatch."

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 27 June 2016, 12:17
After a few drinks, I was trying to explain the new engine to my brother at the weekend. Couldn't remember the correct name so just said...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DgHjwhLGrho/VUdz1k6uNMI/AAAAAAAAY9M/EcqMl0pPy_U/s1600/miller-time-jukebox-app.png)
 :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 03 July 2016, 22:52
Been looking at information on the facelift A3/S3. It has new front and rear bumpers/lights, new 2.0L petrol engine, new 7 speed S tronic/DSG wet clutch on some models, upgraded tech and last but not least a swing down tow bar  :cool:

It makes sense that the Golf will get similar upgrades soon. The Frankfurt motor show is at the end of September - less than 3 months away. Expect to hear something by then.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: david25 on 04 July 2016, 13:24
Is the 2.0l 190PS in the facelift A3 from the A4 or a de-tuned GTI engine?


New A3 2.0 190PS 320Nm 50mpg

For comparison:

MK5 GTI 200PS 280Nm 35mpg
ED30 230PS 300Nm 34mpg
MK6 GTI 210PS 280Nm 38mpg
MK7 GTI 220PS 350Nm 47mpg
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Fabio Bignose on 04 July 2016, 13:48
'All new Golf debuts later this year'

According to completecar.ie

......
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 July 2016, 18:50
Is the 2.0l 190PS in the facelift A3 from the A4 or a de-tuned GTI engine?

New A3 2.0 190PS 320Nm 50mpg
... yeah, it's new. I'm not sure if it will be used in the Golf facelift models. If they do put it in the GT or R line, it will be a faster model than the GTD, which is supposed to be a 'performance' Golf.

Also, the new 7 speed automatic is not currently available on the diesel A3. They still use the 6 speed. Though the A4 uses the 7 speed across the range.

Surely the facelift GTD will have to get the 7 speed DSG :undecided: This should also help with fuel economy. It appears to give a 5 mpg boost on some models versus the manual. Though as we all know VAG figures may have been written by Gene Roddenberry and bear no relation the figures we can expect on planet earth.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 July 2016, 18:58
'All new Golf debuts later this year'

According to completecar.ie
... and some speculation that it may be called a Mk8.

We will know in a few months.

If it is not a Mk8, if is just a facelift, then we will not see the Mk8 for 2 years.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Rh83 on 24 August 2016, 08:17
Facelift chatter has been a bit quiet lately but have seen this appear yesterday on AutoZeitung:

http://www.autozeitung.de/auto-neuheiten/vw-golf-7-facelift-2016-preise-technische-daten

Anyone else seen talk of a November 2016 refresh?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wesbar on 24 August 2016, 09:03
I hope not! I pick up my new car next week.  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 24 August 2016, 10:18
Just a collection of random different mockups... no two the same!

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 24 August 2016, 10:34
I don't think we'll see any 'real' images of the Mk8 (or Mk7 facelift) until the Frankfurt Motor Show (22 Sept).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 24 August 2016, 11:37
Going by lead times for factory builds even if the MK8 or a facelift did come out as soon as November which I doubt, then it will be almost half a year before you see the car in the flesh anyway so there will be a bit of time to wait no matter what the outcome will be.  So if you have just bought a new car enjoy it as I suspect we will not see order books opening in the UK until sometime next year for the facelift or MK8. 

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wesbar on 24 August 2016, 12:05
Bit of a translation from carwow. The only thing that really interests me is the digital display behind the steering wheel. Rest of it seems fairly minor cosmetic changes.

https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/volkswagen-golf-mk7-facelift-complete-guide-3097

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 24 August 2016, 12:14
I noticed on the Car WOW translation they mentioned the golf gets a twin exhaust as part of the facelift, but the pic they show is the GTI not a regular golf. 

With this in mind I would take it all with a pinch of salt.  But in regards to the digital display I suspect it will become available as an option sooner rather than later. 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: david25 on 24 August 2016, 12:56
My German colleague is saying things about 48v electrical system, electric turbo and other high tech things.

All meant to be announced this autumn at the big car show. We shall we if these things are reserved for the halo e-tron model.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 24 August 2016, 14:53
My German colleague is saying things about 48v electrical system, electric turbo and other high tech things.

All meant to be announced this autumn at the big car show. We shall we if these things are reserved for the halo e-tron model.

I doubt we'll be getting those on an imminent facelift/MK8 (if there is no facelift) - the Ausi A3 just got a facelift and no 48v electrics on the A3.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 24 August 2016, 15:59
Isn't 48v electrics part of the much heralded "mild hybrid" models, with a large generator/starter? The higher voltage works more efficiently. VW will use these "leaks" to gauge public reaction and magazines use them to sell copy. Other than that, no solid facts!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Fabio Bignose on 24 August 2016, 19:14
More importantly ( for me anyway! ) will there be a GTD Bi-Turbo 4x4 Estate..!!!  :cool:

Although even if there is VW Ireland will never 'offer' it in a million years.. :sad:

Probably best to start lowering my expectations....?  :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: david25 on 25 August 2016, 10:36
Isn't 48v electrics part of the much heralded "mild hybrid" models, with a large generator/starter? The higher voltage works more efficiently. VW will use these "leaks" to gauge public reaction and magazines use them to sell copy. Other than that, no solid facts!

My German friend claims (no sources other than German forums) that something exciting will be launched to push emission-gate off the front page and to claim that VW is the leader once more. I think it will just be a single halo model.
 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 28 August 2016, 11:14
I don't think we'll see any 'real' images of the Mk8 (or Mk7 facelift) until the Frankfurt Motor Show (22 Sept).
It surprises me that there is so little information on the new Golf. I think VW will break with tradition and it will be a facelift (FL).

I do like the little improvements they have made to sharpen up the style of the FL A3.

From the FL A3 - there are a couple of things we will probably see in the FL Golf. They are introducing a DSG 7 speed wet clutch to some of the A3 range. It appears to improve both performance and economy. The swing down tow bar is available on all but the S3. There is a new 1.8 petrol engine which may appear in a Golf GT.

Audi have also given the FL S3 a 10hp boost. So it will probably also happen in the GTI and the R.

There was no change in the FL A3 diesel engine power, which remains at 184ps. The diesel didn't get the new 7 speed clutch either. Would they do the same thing to the GTD?

There appears to be a lot more kit as standard in the FL A3. It will be interesting to see what is included as standard in the new Golfs. Could the GTI get adjustable suspension and performance pack as standard? I doubt it, as they will want to keep the price of the car down, but... ???






Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 28 August 2016, 11:49
Going by lead times for factory builds even if the MK8 or a facelift did come out as soon as November which I doubt, then it will be almost half a year before you see the car in the flesh... I suspect we will not see order books opening in the UK until sometime next year for the facelift or MK8.
It is all educated guessing at the moment.

My guess is this...

Car announced Frankfurt motor show, end of September.

Immediately available to order in Europe. Delivery times, 3 months for standard low spec models, up to 6 months for performance high spec models. First cars appearing in Europe in January.

UK order books open January, with similar delivery times.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 28 August 2016, 12:02
More importantly ( for me anyway! ) will there be a GTD Bi-Turbo 4x4 Estate..!!!  :cool:

Probably best to start lowering my expectations....?  :sad:
No sign of that in the facelift Audi A3. So I really doubt it will appear in the Golf yet. If you really want that engine you'll have to opt for a different model.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 30 August 2016, 22:13
My guess is this...

Car announced Frankfurt motor show, end of September.

Immediately available to order in Europe. Delivery times, 3 months for standard low spec models, up to 6 months for performance high spec models. First cars appearing in Europe in January.

UK order books open January, with similar delivery times.


I was speaking to a couple of different dealers today and they reckoned exactly what you have said above so good shout.  :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 31 August 2016, 20:19
I was speaking to a couple of different dealers today and they reckoned exactly what you have said above so good shout.  :grin:
Maybe they read this forum :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mjh_056 on 07 September 2016, 15:04
Are the MY17 Golf getting the new DSG 7 speed boxes that the Audi have moved to? Do not remember seeing this anywhere? Not that overly bothered as doubt notice the difference!

But aside from an extra gear, what is the difference, the uplift?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 07 September 2016, 22:07
Mpgs will be better by about 4 to 5 and I'm sure the 7 speed dsg is lighter than the 6 speed. I think it's also got a higher in limit.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 08 September 2016, 06:57
Mpgs will be better by about 4 to 5 and I'm sure the 7 speed dsg is lighter than the 6 speed. I think it's aldi got a higher in limit.
I think it's a Lidl bit lighter as well😀
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 08 September 2016, 07:20
Mpgs will be better by about 4 to 5 and I'm sure the 7 speed dsg is lighter than the 6 speed. I think it's aldi got a higher in limit.
I think it's a Lidl bit lighter as well😀

Should mean Spar better economy.  :sick:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 08 September 2016, 07:42
Are the MY17 Golf getting the new DSG 7 speed boxes that the Audi have moved to? Do not remember seeing this anywhere? Not that overly bothered as doubt notice the difference!

But aside from an extra gear, what is the difference, the uplift?
For some reason, the Audi A3 diesels did not get the new 7 speed wet clutch yet.

I would be very surprised if the more powerful petrol Golfs don't get the new clutch.

As said before, the 7 speed DSG improves both economy and performance. Though I also doubt if either would be very noticeable.

Hope to find out in 2 weeks :)



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mjh_056 on 08 September 2016, 08:34
Are the MY17 Golf getting the new DSG 7 speed boxes that the Audi have moved to? Do not remember seeing this anywhere? Not that overly bothered as doubt notice the difference!

But aside from an extra gear, what is the difference, the uplift?
For some reason, the Audi A3 diesels did not get the new 7 speed wet clutch yet.

I would be very surprised if the more powerful petrol Golfs don't get the new clutch.

As said before, the 7 speed DSG improves both economy and performance. Though I also doubt if either would be very noticeable.

Hope to find out in 2 weeks :)

What you getting? :)

How would you tell if the DSG is 7 speed?

It still says 6 speed on the VW tracker so not expecting that change myself
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 08 September 2016, 10:29
What you getting? :)

How would you tell if the DSG is 7 speed?

It still says 6 speed on the VW tracker so not expecting that change myself
.. oh, sorry... that should have read - hope to find out in 2 weeks from the Frankfurt motor show. When they are expected to announce the new Golf.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mjh_056 on 08 September 2016, 10:47
What you getting? :)

How would you tell if the DSG is 7 speed?

It still says 6 speed on the VW tracker so not expecting that change myself
.. oh, sorry... that should have read - hope to find out in 2 weeks from the Frankfurt motor show. When they are expected to announce the new Golf.

I see :)

That will be interesting as will it be a Audi type face lift or complete next model MK8

Definitely expect all the Audi received in virtual displays and that 7 speed gear box

I am locked in for 3 years from November, so it will be just of interest,  but as a blind up taker of the original MK 7 it has been quite nice this time to make an informed decision and know what getting

look forward to your update on Frankfurt and pictures :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 08 September 2016, 14:40
I hope it's not the Frankfurt motor show as we are going to Paris for the motor show LoL.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 08 September 2016, 15:05
Alright alright also not Aldi haha
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 14 September 2016, 08:57
Just so people can find it.... its definitely coming now:

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=278756.0
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 September 2016, 13:20
Facelift in Q1 2017.

13 September 2016

VW1063-16

Golf and Golf Estate (colours are being replaced for the facelift in Q1 2017) - week 51 end of production (EOP), so last orders in week 43 for:

Please make sure your sales teams and customers are aware.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 14 September 2016, 16:11
mk7 facelift spotted  :cool:


http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/97016/volkswagen-golf-r-estate-facelift-spotted-on-the-road
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 14 September 2016, 16:19
All the face lifts in the world won't sort that giant rear overhang out I'm afraid :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wesbar on 14 September 2016, 19:24
looks like a very minor facelift.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 14 September 2016, 19:27
looks like a very minor facelift.

Thats generally what a facelift is - minor. Look at the new FL A3/S3, slightly new different lights, bumpers, same wheels, not many people would probably even notice the difference.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 14 September 2016, 19:31
Exactly. Few people will notice any difference aside from members on here and other enthusiasts. I mean, from my own point of view, I don't pay much attention to BMW's, for example, so if I were 3-series shopping in the morning I wouldn't be sure which model is "the facelift".
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 September 2016, 21:47
I hope it's not the Frankfurt motor show as we are going to Paris for the motor show LoL.
It appears I am wrong. I did not realise that the Frankfurt and Paris shows are year about. This year, Paris will be showing passenger vehicles. I'll look forward to seeing some of your photos ;)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 September 2016, 22:08
Exactly. Few people will notice any difference aside from members on here and other enthusiasts. I mean, from my own point of view, I don't pay much attention to BMW's, for example, so if I were 3-series shopping in the morning I wouldn't be sure which model is "the facelift".
+1

Facelifts are subtle. As you say - only enthusiasts would know the difference. Especially with cars like BMW, Audi and Mercedes. Even completely new models of those cars look similar to the old models. For example: the Audi A3 with standard lights looks like the old A3. Though, since the A3 facelift, I think Xenons are now standard across the range?

Oh... I wonder will Xenons with LED daylight running lights, be standard fit on all new Golfs? I doubt it, but...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 14 September 2016, 22:35
I hope it's not the Frankfurt motor show as we are going to Paris for the motor show LoL.
It appears I am wrong. I did not realise that the Frankfurt and Paris shows are year about. This year, Paris will be showing passenger vehicles. I'll look forward to seeing some of your photos ;)

Looks like you were spot on with your predictions.
We are going over on the 3rd of October so hopefully get plenty of pictures.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 20 September 2016, 14:30
Looks like this might be based on fact:

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-5-tuerer-variant-gti-infos-preis-5519781.html

Optional digital dash, optional gesture control, optional LED lights...

There are some photos on that page of the new exterior... gone are the round tailpipes and in are the trendy funny shaped vent holes
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wesbar on 20 September 2016, 15:51
GTI has lower spoiler styling cues from the Clubsport. Other than that and the lights, not seeing any other exterior changes for the GTI?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 20 September 2016, 17:37
GTI has lower spoiler styling cues from the Clubsport. Other than that and the lights, not seeing any other exterior changes for the GTI?

Pretty much par for the course for a facelift; exterior changes usually being restricted to revised bumpers/spoilers and lights, and sometimes a slightly revised bonnet pressing. Mk5 to mk6 Golf was an exception; VW were looking to cut production costs as the mk5 was too expensive for them to produce, so apart from the roof panel, all exterior panels were new (the door construction, in particular). VW called it the new mk6 Golf, but it was pretty much a heavily revised mk5.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Jimmgc51 on 20 September 2016, 17:58
I'm suprised they would put the digital dash in for a revised model. The interier with that looks like it's taken quite a large chnage and to me would form more part of a model upgrade i.e. Mk8 not a facelift.

I'm currently in the market for a new car and this will be a hard decision... second hand R or a new R with digital dash  :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 20 September 2016, 20:05
All the new optional stuff will come at a cost no doubt.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 20 September 2016, 20:09
Looks like this might be based on fact:

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-5-tuerer-variant-gti-infos-preis-5519781.html

Optional digital dash, optional gesture control, optional LED lights...

There are some photos on that page of the new exterior... gone are the round tailpipes and in are the trendy funny shaped vent holes
If you hover over the photos on the main page of the article it says illustration. The other photos appear to show a Mk7 Touch eGolf :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 20 September 2016, 20:14
All the new optional stuff will come at a cost no doubt.

Well, yes, its a costed extra as with all options :)

Seem to remember that article said the new super large gesture controlled nav unit was 3000 euros!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 30 September 2016, 23:47
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-la-motor-show/facelifted-volkswagen-e-golf-make-its-world-debut-november (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-la-motor-show/facelifted-volkswagen-e-golf-make-its-world-debut-november)

"The facelifted Volkswagen e-Golf will make its debut in November, possibly at the LA motor show, ahead of going on sale early next year."

"The e-Golf should arrive in showrooms at around the same time as the facelifted Golf hatchback."
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 October 2016, 09:50
http://www.motoring.com.au/paris-motor-show-volkswagen-i-d-upstages-golf-7-5-104077/ (http://www.motoring.com.au/paris-motor-show-volkswagen-i-d-upstages-golf-7-5-104077/)

"Volkswagen has denied it postponed the world debut of its facelifted Golf ‘7.5’ at last week’s Paris motor show to instead focus its limelight on the groundbreaking I.D. concept."

"Stackman denied Volkswagen’s electric car rollout postponed the world debut of the company’s facelifted Golf, which motoring.com.au understands was to have appeared for the first time at Paris but will now be shown at a stand-alone event in Europe in November."

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 October 2016, 09:59
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/2017-volkswagen-golf-absent-in-paris-20160930-grs2yw.html (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/2017-volkswagen-golf-absent-in-paris-20160930-grs2yw.html)

"Most critics expected Volkswagen to use Paris, the last big European car show of 2016, to showcase the Mark 7.5 Golf..."

"Stackman wouldn't divulge any details on the updated Golf, but Drive understands the car will be revealed in Germany in November."


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 October 2016, 10:27
After reading the above links, I am a bit puzzled. This all seems strange behaviour by VW towards their best selling and arguably most important model of car.

So another month or two to wait. I hope the wait will be worth it :undecided:

Also, I was wondering about Audi's move away from standard lights on the A3 facelift. Then I remembered a comment by one of the members here about oversized lights. I wonder if VW could make a similar change on the Golf, to reduce headlight size and allow for a much cleaner/sharper looking front end style on the Golf facelift.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 01 October 2016, 11:55
The cynic in me thinks that VW might possibly be a bit touchy about emissions in the USA and especially California. That makes electric Golfs or VW's in general seem the natural thing to showcase in the city & state with a bit of a history with vehicle emissions.
So it's hardly surprising they've held off the Golf FL and gone for an electric car for Paris which will postpone or deflect emissions questions leading up to LA, and then launch VW's bread and butter model with a huge fanfare on home ground just before it goes into production. Obviously the launch just might have one or two things to show how VW is taking low or zero emissions very seriously. I doubt Greenpeace will be invited to the unveiling though.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: cosmos on 01 October 2016, 13:54
edit: wrong thread
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 October 2016, 19:17
The cynic in me thinks that VW might possibly be a bit touchy about emissions in the USA and especially California. That makes electric Golfs or VW's in general seem the natural thing to showcase in the city & state with a bit of a history with vehicle emissions.
So it's hardly surprising they've held off the Golf FL and gone for an electric car for Paris which will postpone or deflect emissions questions leading up to LA, and then launch VW's bread and butter model with a huge fanfare on home ground just before it goes into production. Obviously the launch just might have one or two things to show how VW is taking low or zero emissions very seriously. I doubt Greenpeace will be invited to the unveiling though.
Americans are not big fans of hatchbacks. I wonder which VW model sells best in their market?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: TwoSheds on 01 October 2016, 19:46
The cynic in me thinks that VW might possibly be a bit touchy about emissions in the USA and especially California. That makes electric Golfs or VW's in general seem the natural thing to showcase in the city & state with a bit of a history with vehicle emissions.
So it's hardly surprising they've held off the Golf FL and gone for an electric car for Paris which will postpone or deflect emissions questions leading up to LA, and then launch VW's bread and butter model with a huge fanfare on home ground just before it goes into production. Obviously the launch just might have one or two things to show how VW is taking low or zero emissions very seriously. I doubt Greenpeace will be invited to the unveiling though.
Americans are not big fans of hatchbacks. I wonder which VW model sells best in their market?

The Jetta has been the most popular model for some while.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 01 October 2016, 20:47
From my experiences you see a lot of Jettas, Passat CC's and latterly Tiguans over there.
Oh, and older New Beetles, rarely a new Beetle.
Pretty limited experiences mind you.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 04 October 2016, 22:27
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/10/volkswagen-golf-r-facelift-smiles-on-camera-for-spy-photographers.html (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/10/volkswagen-golf-r-facelift-smiles-on-camera-for-spy-photographers.html)

"Volkswagen Golf R Facelift Smiles on Camera for Spy Photographers"

"The facelift will apply to all Golf models in the lineup but expect the R to have a more aggressive design. We should see the facelifted Golf in its entirety this fall."
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTI_Ant on 04 October 2016, 22:39
MKII had a significant facelift in 89 to the "big bumper" model.  I preferred my original at the time and still do.  Facelifts aren't always better.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 05 October 2016, 07:43
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2017-golf-r-variant-facelift-makes-nurburgring-debut-in-camouflage-111847.html (http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2017-golf-r-variant-facelift-makes-nurburgring-debut-in-camouflage-111847.html)

"According to our information, the Golf facelift may be revealed at the Los Angeles Auto Show. However, that doesn't have to include the GTI and R versions. Those could be saved for a later occasion, especially if they receive power increases."



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: dubber36 on 05 October 2016, 13:46
MKII had a significant facelift in 89 to the "big bumper" model.  I preferred my original at the time and still do.  Facelifts aren't always better.

Funny how we see things differently. I remember thinking how dated the Mk2 GTI looked pre-facelift, compared to it's full bumpered rivals like the RS Turbo and Astra GTE.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: lemski on 05 October 2016, 15:42
MKII had a significant facelift in 89 to the "big bumper" model.  I preferred my original at the time and still do.  Facelifts aren't always better.

Funny how we see things differently. I remember thinking how dated the Mk2 GTI looked pre-facelift, compared to it's full bumpered rivals like the RS Turbo and Astra GTE.
Im also a lover of the big bumpers, ive had both and I think it makes the mk2.
Dont know how ill feel about the mk7 facelift though
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jjgreenwood on 06 October 2016, 22:38
As the facelift is likely to get an electronic dash I'd buy the current one as I suspect it won't be long before we have to spend extra to get "heritage dials" rather than electronic ones which will inevitably date quicker.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 07 October 2016, 09:04
It won't get digital dash by default, you'll have to pay for it.

I'd guess that by Mk8 you'll get it as standard on high end models.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 13 October 2016, 22:57
https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detailpage/-/detail/World-premiere-in-November-The-countdown-has-begun-for-an-extensive-Golf-update/view/4067922/7a5bbec13158edd433c6630f5ac445da?p_p_auth=Zmh8hzMQ (https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detailpage/-/detail/World-premiere-in-November-The-countdown-has-begun-for-an-extensive-Golf-update/view/4067922/7a5bbec13158edd433c6630f5ac445da?p_p_auth=Zmh8hzMQ)
... so it is officially a "major update" in November :rolleyes:

Thanks to JV for finding this.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jjgreenwood on 13 October 2016, 23:47
It won't get digital dash by default, you'll have to pay for it.

I'd guess that by Mk8 you'll get it as standard on high end models.

I'd be surprised if it didn't as it's standard on passat r line and tiguan sel and r line. I'd expect performance golf to get it as standard and with some fancy graphics to make it stand out like passat gte has.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 14 October 2016, 20:24
Is the update worth cancelling a current order for?? Engines remain the same, led lights and virtual dash.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/91568/new-2017-vw-golf-facelift-reveal-date-announced
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 October 2016, 21:00
Is the update worth cancelling a current order for?? Engines remain the same, led lights and virtual dash.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/91568/new-2017-vw-golf-facelift-reveal-date-announced
Difficult question. It depends...

Performance: There may be some small performance enhancements, but they will likely not be noticeable anywhere other than a track.

Cost: I would doubt if there will be the same discounts and offers available.

Style: Hopefully there will be some improvements in the looks, as the current Mk7 has not grown on me at all. A good facelift may make the car more desirable.

Comfort, economy, ergonomics are likely to be similar. Though there may be some big improvements in technology.

So is it worth it? For performance - no. For cost - no. For style - maybe.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 October 2016, 22:09
Someone has posted on ASN that they have changed from a Golf R to an S3 facelift. The are saying that the combination of 10 extra horses, 25 more torques and 7 speed Stronic gives the Audi a noticeable improvement over the Golf.

So if money is no object and you need to drive the 'best', people may want to wait for the facelift Golf R.

Edit: they are also saying the facelift S3 has a haldex update to improve the balance.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 15 October 2016, 11:04
Really don't like the sound of 'buttonless' controls.
One of the things I love about my mk 7 are the simpicity of the heating controls etc.
The other thing that worries me is use of haptic feedback on the display. It's dangerous enough just pressing a digital display as you are driving without having to think about the pressure you need to apply.
It's another case of ' just because we can do it, doesn't mean we should do it' as far as  I'm concerned.
Call me old fashioned if you must :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 15 October 2016, 11:29
The only thing that would be a quite nice to have is the digital display but it's no biggy really. Probably be some other thing in a couple of years  :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Walts on 15 October 2016, 11:46
Found this German update.

Although the review is in German if you go halfway down there's a video of the car in a few models variants they believe is the new facelift.

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-5-tuerer-variant-gti-infos-preis-5519781.html
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 15 October 2016, 12:54
Really don't like the sound of 'buttonless' controls.
One of the things I love about my mk 7 are the simpicity of the heating controls etc.
The other thing that worries me is use of haptic feedback on the display. It's dangerous enough just pressing a digital display as you are driving without having to think about the pressure you need to apply.
It's another case of ' just because we can do it, doesn't mean we should do it' as far as  I'm concerned.
Call me old fashioned if you must :whistle:

Me too. I'm not a luddite but technology for the sake of it bores me. Why can't they focus on improving build quality? And as above, using a touchscreen on the move is difficult and dangerous. I've a few gestures for it....
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 15 October 2016, 15:56
Found this German update.

Although the review is in German if you go halfway down there's a video of the car in a few models variants they believe is the new facelift.
Fairly sure those are just renders of the exterior and not the real facelift.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Clubsport S on 16 October 2016, 08:21
Think there has been talk of the 3 door shell no longer being available at some point. Am wondering whether this will continue or not with the facelift.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 16 October 2016, 10:10
I think probably the 3 door will survive the facelift but won't make it to a Mk8.

It wouldn't make much sense to bin it now.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 16 October 2016, 12:03
Is it a facelift or going to be called the Mk8?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 16 October 2016, 13:31
Is it a facelift or going to be called the Mk8?

The press release on the previous page called it an extensive/major update. It just waffles about the history and does not mention what the updates are. No mention of a Mk8.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 16 October 2016, 13:57
Is it a facelift or going to be called the Mk8?

The press release on the previous page called it an extensive/major update. It just waffles about the history and does not mention what the updates are. No mention of a Mk8.

It's quite hard to guess exactly how far VW are going to go this time isn't it.

In 2008/9 the Leon and A3 (and Octavia too) got a light makeover but the mk5 Golf got such a hefty makeover it became the mk6.
Being as the Golf is bread and butter to the VW group it has to be kept fresh and ahead of the competition.
If they do go for a full on makeover and call it a mk8 due to lots of added tech then it's quite possible the 3 door will be dropped, especially if there's a new MQB Scirocco in the wings for 2018. The Focus, Civic and A class are 5 door only, hardly anyone buys a 1 series 3 door and when's the last time you saw an Astra 3 door?
The underpinnings of the Leon SC could easily be moulded into a Scirocco with a less fat arse and slightly more rear passenger space (which is the whole point of the MQB production flexibility).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 16 October 2016, 14:44
If the facelift actually materialised as the MK8 how would that affect the residuals of the Golf MK7's bought this year prior to the press release?  I bought my Golf R in the knowledge the Mk8 performance golfs may not be around for another 3 years +/- (going on previous release dates etc,). 



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 16 October 2016, 16:41
Well all hate it, prefer the Mk7, then slowly swap over .... as we always do!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 16 October 2016, 22:29
If the facelift actually materialised as the MK8 how would that affect the residuals of the Golf MK7's bought this year prior to the press release?  I bought my Golf R in the knowledge the Mk8 performance golfs may not be around for another 3 years +/- (going on previous release dates etc,).

Well, it was a reasonable assumption to have made, however the VW scandal thing is something they need to correct and correct fast. They need shiny new product to make people forget about that naughtiness.

That is probably why we are seeing a facelift golf for the first time ever.

Whether it is a Mk8 or a Mk7bis it will mean that any Mk7 will be worth less than if they hadn't done either. People always want the latest thing and even if the people don't, the dealers will tell you its old hat.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 October 2016, 09:15
http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2016/10/15/What-Should-We-Expect-From-The-Upcoming-Volkswagen-Golf-Update-7735934/ (http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2016/10/15/What-Should-We-Expect-From-The-Upcoming-Volkswagen-Golf-Update-7735934/)
"... the fact Volkswagen is referring to this update as a "major" and "extensive"... implies something more comprehensive is in the works here."

... but we just don't know. We can only speculate. My theory is: This will be a facelift. So that the Mk8 can be released early for the 2020 EU7(?) emissions changes. If they release a Mk8 now - when would the next car be due? It is only weeks until we will know for sure. 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 October 2016, 09:23
Some more speculation about the changes - most of it is obvious. It has been a while since the DCC has been mentioned. This is of particular interest to me as DCC is top of my options list. It is a must for our rural roads.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/10/its-final-countdown-vw-to-reveal.html (http://www.carscoops.com/2016/10/its-final-countdown-vw-to-reveal.html)
"The 2017 Volkswagen Golf is also believed to adopt the next-gen adjustable dampers, further improving its cornering ability and ride comfort, along with possible engine revisions that could see updated units with more power and better fuel economy. CO2 emissions are a delicate subject when it comes to Volkswagen, but the engines are also expected to be less polluting."
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 17 October 2016, 10:25
Might be next gen dcc but it won't be standard.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 17 October 2016, 13:05
If they facelift the R so its more aggressive and increase the bhp and torque figures ill be very tempted
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 October 2016, 13:11
Might be next gen dcc but it won't be standard.
People are speculating on price rises given the weakness of the pound. I think the performance models may come with a lot less as standard. Unfortunately, optional extras maybe where the price hikes happen.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 17 October 2016, 13:22
People are speculating on price rises given the weakness of the pound. I think the performance models may come with a lot less as standard. Unfortunately, optional extras maybe where the price hikes happen.


Yeah that is my take on it and why I'm not waiting.
They have not long added the Winter Pack and Sat Nav as standard.
I'd imagine that will go. Especially if the virtual cockpit is available and at a cost, folk will also be tempted with the Sat Nav as it integrates well on it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mjh_056 on 17 October 2016, 14:51
Think with the MK 7 you have really come to the point of how much is any change really going to uplift the present experience?

Maybe there will be something in performance for those who take theirs to the track but it will be a negligible difference for those who will only ever see normal roads.

The present DCC is pretty well cosseted and in fact it can sometimes be so much so that you can get a sea sick feeling so an improved DCC? there maybe technical things to point at the improvements but experience again will be the best judge.

reminds me of washing powders, toothpaste, new and improved, the whitest ever! but do any of us in reality think its any different from the originals even?

Gesture control? seriously?

My view is that the gap has closed more than ever on actual improvements to experience, AWD, 300 BHP, DSG with present DCC is all the car you will ever need ever really and each of these listed items might get a lift, and good for top trumps, but you not going to notice.

Think the only time you really stand up and pay attention is of the economy and emissions is a quantum leap from the present, not just a minor test lab improvement.

The gadgets and gizmos might also be good to point to when new and shiny but most of this new tech is more gadget than legitimately useful.

The only thing I have wanted in last 3 years was improved connectivity with my phone and that's it and Car Play has filled that gap.

The timing might be perfect to move to a FL or the MK 8 but if going to wait many months or lose money by doing so, then would think seriously to what chasing

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 17 October 2016, 15:32
I don't think VW are pitching these new things as an upgrade for existing owners, I think its more about someone buying a new car choosing a golf over a Merc or a Kia or whatever.

Its not like a new version of Windows (now with amazing features(tm)).

In fact, I'd doubt that they even think twice about encouraging their existing owners to swap to the next version by feature set changes. Maybe the "loyalty discount" is the only method that works anyway.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 October 2016, 16:34
Gesture control? seriously?

Is gesture control going to be standard or an option? Because I don't see anyone going ,"I need gesture control in my car!"

Same with keyless entry and virtual cockpit. They may be nice options to have, but they are unnecessary and would be near the bottom of my list.

The roads near our house are particularly crap. I have often considered that my next vehicle should be a Tiguan, but I would miss the performance. I had a Mk7 GTD with standard suspension on an extended test drive. I knew by the time I pulled into the driveway I would not be buying one without DCC. Even my wife noticed straight away how uncomfortable it was on our roads. Her car is an Audi A3 on standard suspension and 16 inch tyres. It just soaks up the bumps in the road. Obviously, I would not expect a performance Golf to have the same ability, but any improvement would be welcome.



 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 October 2016, 16:40
In fact, I'd doubt that they even think twice about encouraging their existing owners to swap to the next version by feature set changes. Maybe the "loyalty discount" is the only method that works anyway.
"Build it (better) and they will come."  :smiley:

Maybe they just want a car that will appeal to those who upgrade regularly. Keeping it 'fresh' will attract attention. Everyone likes shiny new toys.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 October 2016, 16:46
Well it looks like I may be wrong again...

http://www.car24news.com/official-2017-volkswagen-golf-facelift-confirmed-to-debut-this-november/ (http://www.car24news.com/official-2017-volkswagen-golf-facelift-confirmed-to-debut-this-november/)

"Volkswagen confirms that facelifted Golf will debut in early November this year. According to company this will be a major update, and the model will be regarded as the 8-generation Golf."
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 17 October 2016, 17:15
LOL nobody knows anything really... all these articles with "news" and "photos" are just click bait.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Fabio Bignose on 19 October 2016, 06:20
Volkswagen Ireland have confirmed to me that Facelift available to order from March 2017 and MK8 available from 2019.
I kept asking if GTD available to order from March 2017 and they said yes but not so sure how correct that part is....
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 19 October 2016, 10:33
Volkswagen Ireland have confirmed to me that Facelift available to order from March 2017 and MK8 available from 2019.
I kept asking if GTD available to order from March 2017 and they said yes but not so sure how correct that part is....

I bet if I called them up now I'd get a different spiel...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 19 October 2016, 15:52
http://indianautosblog.com/2016/10/major-update-vw-golf-november-245112 (http://indianautosblog.com/2016/10/major-update-vw-golf-november-245112)

"Volkswagen has confirmed that the VW Golf Mk6 will get a “major update” next month."

 :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: phope on 19 October 2016, 22:12
Hope it's a bit more extensive than this Leon facelift...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2017-seat-leon-facelift-revealed

Quote
The 2017 Seat Leon has been revealed, with the facelifted model having undergone styling tweaks, as well as gaining new technologies and two new engines.

On the outside, the Leon has been given a larger front grille to make the car look bigger, and other subtle styling tweaks, including front and rear lights that now incorporate the same LED signature as the Ateca. Three new colours are also offered.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 20 October 2016, 00:01
Hope it's a bit more extensive than this Leon facelift...

Well the golf is getting an 'extensive' and 'major' update. But who knows...

From the article: there are several bits which may be of interest to people waiting for the Golf facelift -

- Sales will start in February.
- The performance model is not being launched yet. Speculation is that it will be next year.
- The performance model will have a power boost and a 'surprise'???

So the Golf being a month behind -

- Sales to start in March?
- No performance models until next year?
- Performance models get a power boost and a 'surprise'???
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 20 October 2016, 00:16
http://www.seat.co.uk/about-seat/news-events/cars/seat-unveils-new-leon.html (http://www.seat.co.uk/about-seat/news-events/cars/seat-unveils-new-leon.html)

"New Leon CUPRA family with “its own surprises” debuts in early 2017"
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 20 October 2016, 04:34
We're assuming the 'surprise' is an extra axle to go with a power hike of over 300PS then?

The front bumper seems to have brought the Leon full circle looking remarkably like the pre-facelift previous (mk2) generation Leon FR & Cupra with the more pronounced side grilles.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 20 October 2016, 09:26
Well it looks like I may be wrong again...

http://www.car24news.com/official-2017-volkswagen-golf-facelift-confirmed-to-debut-this-november/ (http://www.car24news.com/official-2017-volkswagen-golf-facelift-confirmed-to-debut-this-november/)

"Volkswagen confirms that facelifted Golf will debut in early November this year. According to company this will be a major update, and the model will be regarded as the 8-generation Golf."

That blue GTD in the link - I thought this was probably the best looking 'draft' to get an idea of the facelift.
Just realised its got TT LED DRLS, part clubsport bumper and part facelift A3 sline bumper (the lower sepearte grille)  :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 20 October 2016, 09:34
Hope it's a bit more extensive than this Leon facelift...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2017-seat-leon-facelift-revealed

Quote
The 2017 Seat Leon has been revealed, with the facelifted model having undergone styling tweaks, as well as gaining new technologies and two new engines.

On the outside, the Leon has been given a larger front grille to make the car look bigger, and other subtle styling tweaks, including front and rear lights that now incorporate the same LED signature as the Ateca. Three new colours are also offered.

The Golf facelift will be very similar to that - look at the new A3 FL - new lights, new bumpers, a few new colours, same wheels for most of the range. Really hard to tell the difference if your not into your cars...


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 20 October 2016, 10:29
The Golf facelift will be very similar to that - look at the new A3 FL - new lights, new bumpers, a few new colours, same wheels for most of the range. Really hard to tell the difference if your not into your cars...
... or if you own one. To be honest I couldn't tell you a new Leon from an old one.

I keep pointing out the new A3s to my wife. She thinks they look the same :rolleyes: ...and I guess she is right! 

Though I find most people seem to have a least heard of a Golf GTI. 'I drive a Golf GTD' , 'What's that?' , 'Diesel version of a Golf GTI.'

On another forum: They were talking about the fact that most people have no clue what a Golf R is. One guy told his 8 year old nephew, who then called it a Golf Arrrggggh! It is a car for pirates! :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 20 October 2016, 11:12
The Golf facelift will be very similar to that - look at the new A3 FL - new lights, new bumpers, a few new colours, same wheels for most of the range. Really hard to tell the difference if your not into your cars...
... or if you own one. To be honest I couldn't tell you a new Leon from an old one.

I keep pointing out the new A3s to my wife. She thinks they look the same :rolleyes: ...and I guess she is right! 

Though I find most people seem to have a least heard of a Golf GTI. 'I drive a Golf GTD' , 'What's that?' , 'Diesel version of a Golf GTI.'

On another forum: They were talking about the fact that most people have no clue what a Golf R is. One guy told his 8 year old nephew, who then called it a Golf Arrrggggh! It is a car for pirates! :grin:

The new A3's are hard to tell apart - I keep seeing SE/Sports thinking they are Slines as they all now have LED DRL as standard, the non Sline/S3 just have the top LED line instead of the 3-sided one.

To Joe Public the Golf facelift will be the same as the current model. I bet most people still buying the mk6 cab think its no different to the mk7.  :rolleyes:

The Scirocco facelift a couple of years ago is another one difficult to spot the difference...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 20 October 2016, 21:43
The Golf facelift will be very similar to that - look at the new A3 FL - new lights, new bumpers, a few new colours, same wheels for most of the range. Really hard to tell the difference if your not into your cars...
... or if you own one. To be honest I couldn't tell you a new Leon from an old one.

I keep pointing out the new A3s to my wife. She thinks they look the same :rolleyes: ...and I guess she is right! 

Though I find most people seem to have a least heard of a Golf GTI. 'I drive a Golf GTD' , 'What's that?' , 'Diesel version of a Golf GTI.'

On another forum: They were talking about the fact that most people have no clue what a Golf R is. One guy told his 8 year old nephew, who then called it a Golf Arrrggggh! It is a car for pirates! :grin:

The new A3's are hard to tell apart - I keep seeing SE/Sports thinking they are Slines as they all now have LED DRL as standard, the non Sline/S3 just have the top LED line instead of the 3-sided one.

To Joe Public the Golf facelift will be the same as the current model. I bet most people still buying the mk6 cab think its no different to the mk7.  :rolleyes:

The Scirocco facelift a couple of years ago is another one difficult to spot the difference...


I think they made the Scirocco uglier with that facelift, but as you say, unless you know the car very well you'd be hard pressed to know the difference. Personally, for example, I wouldn't know a current BMW 320d from a 3 year old one... no particular interest in the brand so they all "look the same" to me... which a lot of non-VAG heads would say about the Golf  :cool:

I'd also concur with a previous comment that the "GTI" has brand recognition that the GTD and R can only dream of. No one other than real petrol heads have a clue what my car (an R) is. I've been asked on more than one occasion - "What's it like on diesel?". Sometimes I just say "not bad"  :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: lemski on 22 October 2016, 14:39
The Golf facelift will be very similar to that - look at the new A3 FL - new lights, new bumpers, a few new colours, same wheels for most of the range. Really hard to tell the difference if your not into your cars...
... or if you own one. To be honest I couldn't tell you a new Leon from an old one.

I keep pointing out the new A3s to my wife. She thinks they look the same :rolleyes: ...and I guess she is right! 

Though I find most people seem to have a least heard of a Golf GTI. 'I drive a Golf GTD' , 'What's that?' , 'Diesel version of a Golf GTI.'

On another forum: They were talking about the fact that most people have no clue what a Golf R is. One guy told his 8 year old nephew, who then called it a Golf Arrrggggh! It is a car for pirates! :grin:

The new A3's are hard to tell apart - I keep seeing SE/Sports thinking they are Slines as they all now have LED DRL as standard, the non Sline/S3 just have the top LED line instead of the 3-sided one.

To Joe Public the Golf facelift will be the same as the current model. I bet most people still buying the mk6 cab think its no different to the mk7.  :rolleyes:

The Scirocco facelift a couple of years ago is another one difficult to spot the difference...


I think they made the Scirocco uglier with that facelift, but as you say, unless you know the car very well you'd be hard pressed to know the difference. Personally, for example, I wouldn't know a current BMW 320d from a 3 year old one... no particular interest in the brand so they all "look the same" to me... which a lot of non-VAG heads would say about the Golf  :cool:

I'd also concur with a previous comment that the "GTI" has brand recognition that the GTD and R can only dream of. No one other than real petrol heads have a clue what my car (an R) is. I've been asked on more than one occasion - "What's it like on diesel?". Sometimes I just say "not bad"  :laugh:
If I had an r, amd someone asked that id say the same. Haha
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: LRWmotorsport on 22 October 2016, 17:09
I get R's and regular Golf mixed up all the time.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 22 October 2016, 19:44
I get R's and regular Golf mixed up all the time.

Except at the traffic lights ..... 😀
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 25 October 2016, 08:52
http://www.caradisiac.com/surprise-la-volkswagen-golf-r-restylee-de-sortie-110713.htm

Not sure where this is from (found it on VWROC) says its an R but looks like GTI calipers/brakes and honeycomb diffuser.

Guess we are all hoping the exhaust doesn't end up like that  :sick:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 25 October 2016, 09:41
No I think those tailpipes are what comes with the facelift. Go on, a small wager on that one ;-)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: LRWmotorsport on 25 October 2016, 09:53
I get R's and regular Golf mixed up all the time.

Except at the traffic lights ..... 😀

All the same in the Transit.
Lost a drag race with a Nissan leaf last week
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: breezasib on 25 October 2016, 10:45
(http://images.caradisiac.com/images/0/7/1/3/110713/S1-surprise-la-volkswagen-golf-r-restylee-de-sortie-389342.jpg)

Ewww those tail pipes are hideous!!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 25 October 2016, 13:09
No I think those tailpipes are what comes with the facelift. Go on, a small wager on that one ;-)

How do you know have you seen this before?  :cry: It still has exactly the same rear lights, which is odd because they will 99.9% be getting changed on the facelift.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wesbar on 25 October 2016, 14:20
I thought only the headlights were getting changed. Not seen/heard anything regarding the tail lights.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 25 October 2016, 14:37
I thought only the headlights were getting changed. Not seen/heard anything regarding the tail lights.

Standard VAG facelift. The FL A3 and Seat Leon has got new front and rear lights. (and bumpers)

Surely the Golf must be getting solid LED rears in place of the current individual LEDs? Even the Octavia, pre facelift Leon and pre facelift A3 (A3 from 2009 in fact) have the solid LED rear lights.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 25 October 2016, 17:33
No I think those tailpipes are what comes with the facelift. Go on, a small wager on that one ;-)

How do you know have you seen this before?  :cry: It still has exactly the same rear lights, which is odd because they will 99.9% be getting changed on the facelift.

Yes, somewhere else on another article posted here.

Remember the latest photo is an American car - their GTI's don't even have Xenons, so maybe not LED lights.

The earlier article I refer to said LED highlights, so I'd assume tail lights too - maybe with the sexxxxxy Audi scrolling lights - I do hope so, I love those!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 25 October 2016, 20:55
The Audi scrolling lights are an option even on the s3 so no way it'll be a standard thing on the face lift.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 27 October 2016, 13:15
No I think those tailpipes are what comes with the facelift. Go on, a small wager on that one ;-)

How do you know have you seen this before?  :cry: It still has exactly the same rear lights, which is odd because they will 99.9% be getting changed on the facelift.

Yes, somewhere else on another article posted here.

Remember the latest photo is an American car - their GTI's don't even have Xenons, so maybe not LED lights.

The earlier article I refer to said LED highlights, so I'd assume tail lights too - maybe with the sexxxxxy Audi scrolling lights - I do hope so, I love those!

Don't the American GTI/R's come with Xenon fronts but non-LED rear? They refer to ours as the Euro spec rear lights.

The Audi scrolling lights (dynamic) are standard on the new S-Line + S3, along with LED headlights, but rears only. If you want the dynamic indicators on the front you have to spec the Matrix LED front headlights as an extra.

There's no way the Golf will get those indicators, one of those things to keep Audi the ''premium'' VAG brand.


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 27 October 2016, 15:50
Bye bye 3 door hatch?

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-golf-variants-be-cut-range
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jv on 27 October 2016, 16:07
Bye bye Sport Van more like  :sick:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wantmygti on 27 October 2016, 16:22
This reads more like Golf mk8 than a facelift...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: physio on 27 October 2016, 19:28
I see they have just updated the Octavia with full led headlamps

Along with the new headlights comes full LED technology to replace the previous bi-xenon + LED daytime running lights of the pre-facelift Octavia.

so new golf must get them  :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 27 October 2016, 21:35

There's no way the Golf will get those indicators, one of those things to keep Audi the ''premium'' VAG brand.

I've been up close and personal with a few new DAF trucks recently. They have scrolling indicators and I'd say DAF trucks were even less premium than a 'non premium' VW so they're not *that* exclusive!

I see they have just updated the Octavia with full led headlamps

Along with the new headlights comes full LED technology to replace the previous bi-xenon + LED daytime running lights of the pre-facelift Octavia.

so new golf must get them  :whistle:

And boy have they made a mess of the front of the previously handsome Octavia.  :shocked:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 27 October 2016, 22:10
Agree 100% Mr Ex on the facelift Skoda Octavia. Really liked the pre-facelift version, but not the facelift, which I think looks awkward and ugly.

If the Octavia has full LED headlights, that suggests the facelift Golf will have them (at least the GTI, GTD and R models). I have them on my Polo GTI and in my opinion, I think they are better than the xenons I had on my mk6 GTD.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 27 October 2016, 22:33
The only worry with LED headlamps I have is that LED's dim over time
We had two identical DAF trucks parked next to each other at work one night and the LED rear lights and particularly the number plate light were night and day difference between a three year old one and a new one. They seem to dim badly with age.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: The ANT on 28 October 2016, 08:50
So long as they are kept cool they shouldn't be a problem, heat is what does damage to LEDs not nessaserly how long they are on but how long they are hot.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 28 October 2016, 10:33

There's no way the Golf will get those indicators, one of those things to keep Audi the ''premium'' VAG brand.

I've been up close and personal with a few new DAF trucks recently. They have scrolling indicators and I'd say DAF trucks were even less premium than a 'non premium' VW so they're not *that* exclusive!

I knew I'd seen those indicators on a HGV or something the other week..  :laugh:



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: saigonmark on 28 October 2016, 23:08
I picked up my CS today and chatting to the salesman he told me that the facelift has been cancelled by VW.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 28 October 2016, 23:35
I picked up my CS today and chatting to the salesman he told me that the facelift has been cancelled by VW.

Congrats, I saw the pic in the new arrivals thread.
It looks awesome.
Can't wait to hear a few owner reviews on the CS's now they're arriving.

As for cancelling the FL, I'd think it was a bit far down the line for that now VW have made some public announcements.

Unless of course it's as ugly as the Chrysler Skoda Octavia facelift and they've suddenly woken up from it like a bad dream...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 29 October 2016, 07:41
As for cancelling the FL, I'd think it was a bit far down the line for that now VW have made some public announcements.

Unless of course it's as ugly as the Chrysler Skoda Octavia facelift and they've suddenly woken up from it like a bad dream...
... lol

The Skoda is the most radical facelift so far. Do they sell them in the American market? It is a lot more modern looking than the 'old Passat' look it currently has. Might be a grower.

VW media services have been sending out press releases about the new Golf facelifts. Lots of rumours going round. Especially about the Golf R. We will know in a week or two if any of them are true.

This all reminds me of the Stig introduction on Top Gear.

Some people say, the R will have 400hp, even though the S3 didn't get that. All we know is that it called a Golf.

Some people say, there will be no Golf R until the Mk8, that could be a long wait. All we know is that it is called a Golf.

Some people say, this will be the Mk8, they seek it here, they seek it there, they seek the Mk8 everywhere. All we know is that it is called the Golf.

Some people say, it will be cancelled, even though VW are sending out press releases and every other VAQ model has a facelift. All we know is that it is called a Golf.

Some people say, it is as ugly as Top Gear with Chris Evans, even before they have seen it. All we know is that it is called a Golf.


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 05 November 2016, 23:12
https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detailpage/-/detail/Countdown-to-Golf-update-in-November-The-sixth-Golf--leading-the-way-in-terms-of-safety/view/4168080/7a5bbec13158edd433c6630f5ac445da?p_p_auth=HKnw3ghT (https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detailpage/-/detail/Countdown-to-Golf-update-in-November-The-sixth-Golf--leading-the-way-in-terms-of-safety/view/4168080/7a5bbec13158edd433c6630f5ac445da?p_p_auth=HKnw3ghT)

"The countdown is under way: in six days Volkswagen will present a major update of the Golf in Wolfsburg."
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD22 on 06 November 2016, 10:14
Are the people at VW spending too much time sitting at the back of one of their diesel cars? What is with their weird press releases?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 November 2016, 10:50
Are the people at VW spending too much time sitting at the back of one of their diesel cars? What is with their weird press releases?
... German grammar?

Here are the contact details...

"Volkswagen AG
 Product Communications

Jakob Kähler
 Letter box 1971
 38436 Wolfsburg
 Germany
 Telephone: +49 (0) 5361 / 9-87633
 Telefax: +49 (0) 5361 / 9-26768
 E-mail: jakob.kaehler@volkswagen.de"
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: iandjm on 06 November 2016, 11:21
They must be on drugs judging by the press releases. It's been like a history of what we already know with zero information about what we don't lol.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 November 2016, 21:06
They must be on drugs judging...

Let's hope the designers haven't been on drugs... just make the front a little neater/sharper/sportier... and add a little extra performance/economy/refinement... and don't focus too much on useless tech, that most people/buyers/drivers don't care about.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 07 November 2016, 00:43
We will soon know what the Golf facelift looks like. Though it may still be a few months until we will know how the performance models look.

I was just looking at the S3 facelift. It received some slight improvements in spec. The Golf R will likely get the same spec. So 300PS to 310PS and a 7 speed DSG.

This has left we wondering about the other performance Golfs...

The GTE is expected to get similar performance to the Passat. So 201bhp to 216bhp.

The last few GTIs have been given 10PS extra. So 220PS to 230PS for the standard car. Though some are speculating that the GTI will get more to keep up with the Skoda Octavia vRS.

I can't see anything to indicate that the GTD will get any improvements. They didn't make any changes to the 184PS engine in the A3. It didn't get the 7 speed DSG either. Though it would seem strange if the GTD were left out.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 07 November 2016, 11:23
We will soon know what the Golf facelift looks like. Though it may still be a few months until we will know how the performance models look.

I was just looking at the S3 facelift. It received some slight improvements in spec. The Golf R will likely get the same spec. So 300PS to 310PS and a 7 speed DSG.

This has left we wondering about the other performance Golfs...

The GTE is expected to get similar performance to the Passat. So 201bhp to 216bhp.

The last few GTIs have been given 10PS extra. So 220PS to 230PS for the standard car. Though some are speculating that the GTI will get more to keep up with the Skoda Octavia vRS.

I can't see anything to indicate that the GTD will get any improvements. They didn't make any changes to the 184PS engine in the A3. It didn't get the 7 speed DSG either. Though it would seem strange if the GTD were left out.

Did the A3 facelift 184 TDI get the addition of AdBlue?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 07 November 2016, 12:31
AFAIK the only Golf/A3 TDI that uses AdBlue is the somewhat different one sold in the USA.

I would be surprised to see it on a Euro model....
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 08 November 2016, 10:00
Yellow facelift spotted  :laugh:

Watch the presentation of the new Golf LIVE on 10th November at 12.30pm CET / 11.30am GMT. #Golf

http://www.volkswagen.gomexlive.com/vw_live_pk/?lang=en

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 09 November 2016, 21:32

http://www.cars-power.com/news/2017-vw-golf-facelift-leaked-before-official-debut/
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 09 November 2016, 22:06
Love the front intakes and lights, not taken by the inlet exhaust
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 09 November 2016, 22:22
Front end looks a bit cheap and plasticky now, lights are ok but it hasn't made me feel like I've missed out on anything worth waiting for. Gti built next week 😉
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 09 November 2016, 23:00

http://www.cars-power.com/news/2017-vw-golf-facelift-leaked-before-official-debut/
... there are different exhaust on those photos!

I doubt if those are real. I'll comment tomorrow.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: LRWmotorsport on 10 November 2016, 06:33
The wheels in the pics remind me of a MK4 GTI
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 10 November 2016, 08:17
The exhausts are different on them photos, some integrated, others standard, so not entirely sure they real though accept it's what expecting.
 
Think the face lift exterior would look different but not necessarily better if these photos the guide.
 
This is a personal opinion as have the Pretoria, but think these transform the R but at a hefty cost. Think biggest news would be the Cadiz are binned for a better standard wheel on the R that adds similar look to the Pretoria but at zero uplift in cost.
 
Given all seen so far the exterior am neutral on and against if pipes are integrated and have huge dislike for screens, and solid state interiors - extra gear and 10 BHP? similarly meh given will never ever notice.
 
We shall see and will give very honest thoughts on if feel something added that would have loved.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: master_hayabusa on 10 November 2016, 09:02
Will the extra 10BHP make a difference in performance? Not really. Will the extra gear make a difference?Probably a bit.

It's all about perception. The latest and greatest will always be desirable. Do I need a new iphone 7 when I have a perfectly functioning iphone 6? Of course I do. We always want the latest, becasue we perceive it to be better. And remember the Golf update will only be slightly and sufficiently different so it can't really polarise opinions.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 10 November 2016, 09:37
Will the extra 10BHP make a difference in performance? Not really. Will the extra gear make a difference?Probably a bit.

It's all about perception. The latest and greatest will always be desirable. Do I need a new iphone 7 when I have a perfectly functioning iphone 6? Of course I do. We always want the latest, becasue we perceive it to be better. And remember the Golf update will only be slightly and sufficiently different so it can't really polarise opinions.

Think the slant is that those received an R say in last year or very recently will feel like they missed out on anything tangible and maybe should have waited?

If ready for change now, of course it will be nice to point to a minor uplift and a shiny piece of tech and gizmo, but think the present Golf is at such a high standard from the move to MQB and some of the other lifts from the MK 6 that the improvement wiggle room has really closed to minimal.

Be much like the I phone now, lots of glitz and ceremony at release with lots of smoke and mirrors but when you settle into the reality there was little substance to any of it.

Think present owners can rest quite easy on the uplift and even the MK 8 as personally feel they might go in a direction that personally do not want to go of more screens, UI and touchless interiors, and integrated tailpipes! really yuk!

By way moved from an I phone 5 to a 7 this year and though bigger and faster, the headphone change is definitely as step back, so be careful of what wish for as sometimes these companies are so desperate to wow, they make changes that are backward steps (so much for wireless, as have another adapter from Belkin now to offset the charging/listening  issue (decent blue tooth headphones on Christmas list)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jv on 10 November 2016, 10:01
Who's beyond excited?

http://volkswagen.gomexlive.com/vw_live_pk/?lang=en

The amount VW have hyped this, it better be more than some different headlights and a price increase  :nerd:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 10 November 2016, 10:07
Its all just nudging the tech along a bit with a few style tweaks.

The main reason for digital this that and the other though long term is to reduce the mechanical parts - software deployment is cheaper than engineering assembly.

Of course, if they can persuade you that its sexy then more than saving money, they can charge you more for it!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 10 November 2016, 10:23
Its all just nudging the tech along a bit with a few style tweaks.

The main reason for digital this that and the other though long term is to reduce the mechanical parts - software deployment is cheaper than engineering assembly.

Of course, if they can persuade you that its sexy then more than saving money, they can charge you more for it!

Been saying that for a while now, recover some R&D costs on LCD displays as an option but long term a screen and some software are far cheaper to produce, and they will be the normal. The more solid state they make the vehicle the better it is fr them, but not necessarily for us, as personally think you lose some of the soul of the vehicle by the less tactile nature.

Obviously we will know a little more today but presently feel like escaped the next version. (s)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: scottyboy99 on 10 November 2016, 10:44
http://www.motor1.com/news/128113/golf-mk7-facelift/
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 10 November 2016, 11:09
Biggest ground breaker would be a Bi-Turbo AWD GTD that's been much discussed, for the MK 8.

Think second biggest addition by subtraction is definitely whether the Cadiz are binned on the R

The biggest loss would be integrated tailpipes on performance Golfs

Outside of that the styling and solid state gadgetry is all smoke and mirrors with little real substance once past the initial razzamatazz.

Actually have some time in my day so going to watch live with a cuppa.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: master_hayabusa on 10 November 2016, 11:16
here goes!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: clubsport on 10 November 2016, 11:35
A techno fest aimed at Millennial buyers. Not much mention of driving dynamics?

Too advanced for me, it took a while to get my head around stop/start, handbrake/hill hold and City emergency brake in my mk7.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wesbar on 10 November 2016, 11:39
no mention of what they are calling it! kept referring to the 'previous' 7 generations and calling it the new golf, so is this going down as the mk8?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: master_hayabusa on 10 November 2016, 11:39
Where is the golf GTI and Golf R ?   :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: flashp on 10 November 2016, 11:41
Nothing there we didn't already know then.  :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wesbar on 10 November 2016, 11:43
Where is the golf GTI and Golf R ?   :sad:

I thought the yellow one on stage was the R?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD22 on 10 November 2016, 11:44
Please god I do hope my GTD that I ordered last week will not get the facelift, dealer said no so I hope they are right.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD22 on 10 November 2016, 11:44
Where is the golf GTI and Golf R ?   :sad:

I thought the yellow one on stage was the R?

R line
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wesbar on 10 November 2016, 11:56
Please god I do hope my GTD that I ordered last week will not get the facelift, dealer said no so I hope they are right.

why? If I was ordering now, I would only want the new one. Basically the same car with better spec level and will hold its value a lot better -2-3 yrs time.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: flashp on 10 November 2016, 11:59
I'm hoping my GTI lease that is scheduled for build week 48 will catch it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 10 November 2016, 12:00
Better spec is subjective though. And I certainly don't think it will hold and more value than the current model although the new model will cost you more so it may be worth what the increase is. You're not getting anything major the current golf doesn't already have and the new updated version will cost you more.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 10 November 2016, 12:06

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/new-volkswagen-golf-here (http://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/new-volkswagen-golf-here)

Quite like the GTI with way red stripes integrate and does that mean they are getting twin LED from them photos? If so, think the GTI has taken a nice lift all around though extra power has me thinking even more tramping in wet

Tailpipes not integrated either as a relief

Not sure about the wheels?

Notice the interior is not touch less yet so must be for MK 8

Still need to see the full range and options but dislike the standard golf with integrated tail pipes but like the GTI
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: master_hayabusa on 10 November 2016, 12:10
Now we're talking. As soon as the golf r is announced i'll be placing my order.

(https://s14.postimg.org/dp2eyh7e5/2017_vw_golf_facelift.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/dp2eyh7e5/)

(https://s11.postimg.org/embtvmzpr/2017_vw_golf_facelift_1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/embtvmzpr/)

(https://s22.postimg.org/hcggx55st/2017_vw_golf_facelift_2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/hcggx55st/)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 10 November 2016, 12:16
Now we're talking. As soon as the golf r is announced i'll be placing my order.

(https://s14.postimg.org/dp2eyh7e5/2017_vw_golf_facelift.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/dp2eyh7e5/)

(https://s11.postimg.org/embtvmzpr/2017_vw_golf_facelift_1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/embtvmzpr/)

(https://s22.postimg.org/hcggx55st/2017_vw_golf_facelift_2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/hcggx55st/)

Yep, really like the new front end on the GTI, the red stripe looks right now and with twin DRL as a bonus

only thing would concern me is tramping at 247 BHP as my previous GTD at measly 184 BHP tramped

No mention of R and GTD which is strange
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 10 November 2016, 12:18
Seems to be fairly low key overall. The new GTI headlights look good.

I'd personally be disappointed if I'd only very recently got one and just missed out. I'd have to have the latest and "greatest".
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 10 November 2016, 12:23
I wonder if the little power hike on the PP is just a software change and if it uses the same clutch as what's in now?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 10 November 2016, 12:27
I wonder if the little power hike on the PP is just a software change and if it uses the same clutch as what's in now?

Interesting that the R and GTD have been held back to December as be easy to follow the Audi face lift and announce now if thats all that is coming

So Bi-Turbo? and given the BHP lift on the GTI, not a soft S3 10 BHP but maybe 350 BHP on the R?

Just seems strange that styling seems done and dusted and interior too, so if just standard lifts they would be announced now.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wesbar on 10 November 2016, 12:29
I wonder if the little power hike on the PP is just a software change and if it uses the same clutch as what's in now?

I think a lot of GTI's put out around 240 as std so maybe they've done nothing  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 10 November 2016, 12:46
It's getting those Audi style scrolling indicators  :laugh:

"while the rear lights are LED throughout the range, equipped with scrolling ‘animated indicators’ if you’ve ticked some options boxes"
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD22 on 10 November 2016, 12:56
Please god I do hope my GTD that I ordered last week will not get the facelift, dealer said no so I hope they are right.

why? If I was ordering now, I would only want the new one. Basically the same car with better spec level and will hold its value a lot better -2-3 yrs time.

Because I don't like the tft screen and front bumper.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: master_hayabusa on 10 November 2016, 13:04
Interestingly, the golf gti interior (the 3 door) shows an engine start/stop button now. This was omitted in the last version for 3 doors I think?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD22 on 10 November 2016, 13:10
Interestingly, the golf gti interior (the 3 door) shows an engine start/stop button now. This was omitted in the last version for 3 doors I think?

Can you get the current golf 3 door with keyless in Germany?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: master_hayabusa on 10 November 2016, 13:11
Interestingly, the golf gti interior (the 3 door) shows an engine start/stop button now. This was omitted in the last version for 3 doors I think?

Can you get the current golf 3 door with keyless in Germany?

Hmmm... I see your point.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 10 November 2016, 13:12
I wouldn't read much into the little details of what you see in those pics. Many of them are clearly artist renderings and a mish mash of different models. The interior pic of the GTI there has a normal Golf's gear knob. Some of the pics show an ACC sensor. Others don't. On that note, it'd have been nice if they moved the ACC sensor behind the badge, ala the Passat.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD22 on 10 November 2016, 13:13
Interestingly, the golf gti interior (the 3 door) shows an engine start/stop button now. This was omitted in the last version for 3 doors I think?

Can you get the current golf 3 door with keyless in Germany?

Hmmm... I see your point.

It really was a question because I don't actually know.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: wesbar on 10 November 2016, 13:24
Please god I do hope my GTD that I ordered last week will not get the facelift, dealer said no so I hope they are right.

why? If I was ordering now, I would only want the new one. Basically the same car with better spec level and will hold its value a lot better -2-3 yrs time.

Because I don't like the tft screen and front bumper.

Agree on the bumper. I'm not sure a I like the new lower vents. Sounds like the TFT screen is an option (probably expensive one!) across the entire range and not std on any model. To be honest, most of the external tweaks are a case of spot the difference.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: ASKendrew on 10 November 2016, 13:27
My six month old GTI is getting jealous! 😉
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 10 November 2016, 13:32
I think those new headlights will slot straight into to pre facelift models too  :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Meirk on 10 November 2016, 13:43
Full information at  www.volkswagen-presskit.com/en (http://www.volkswagen-presskit.com/en)   :wink:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 10 November 2016, 13:50
OK, so Joe Public won't have a clue and my residuals won't take a big hit. Result!!!!  :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 10 November 2016, 13:58
Looks like this might be based on fact:

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-5-tuerer-variant-gti-infos-preis-5519781.html

Optional digital dash, optional gesture control, optional LED lights...

There are some photos on that page of the new exterior... gone are the round tailpipes and in are the trendy funny shaped vent holes

Ok, do I win a prize?

It had to be like this, this is trickle down tech from both the Passat and other VAG brands. This is how you maximise your investment if you are VAG.

Even the trailer parking thing is a Passat thing (which btw is just a plug in Bosch module available to any OEM).

I wonder if we will ever see the GTD though. Even though its a big seller for VW, I wonder if the rep is too bad. Then again the TopGear article suggests that the 1.6 TDI will be the big seller...

In the UK, the big thing that will shape future GTD uptake is the chancellor's autumn statement in 2 weeks time.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 10 November 2016, 14:08
I wouldn't read much into the little details of what you see in those pics. Many of them are clearly artist renderings and a mish mash of different models. The interior pic of the GTI there has a normal Golf's gear knob. Some of the pics show an ACC sensor. Others don't. On that note, it'd have been nice if they moved the ACC sensor behind the badge, ala the Passat.

They have moved the ACC sensor behind the badge in the upper grille Joe; see the info at the link, also posted by Meirk in this thread;

https://volkswagen-presskit.com/en/start/das-design-im-detail
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Fabio Bignose on 10 November 2016, 15:10
Isnt a large part of a facelift the potential resolution of initial teething problems from the introduction of an all new model?

Things like rattles, creakes and common faults being rectified etc...

Lets hope so as these are the little things that have really challenged my whole ownership experience this time around.

I had nowhere near as many problems with my MK6 which itself was a facelift.

This could all be a coincidence obviously and it wont stop me potentially ordering a new one.!

Good news re the ACC sensor being moved and the rear lights look very cool.!  :cool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 10 November 2016, 15:23
Hmmm every facelift I've ever had tended to be manufacturer cost savings more than anything else.

Subtle things that don't make the press release get deleted - things like covers on 12v sockets, rear air vents etc etc Probably saves them about 20 quid per car but annoys the hell out of you when you can spot the differences.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 10 November 2016, 15:29
How about this article then:

https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/2017-vw-golf-mk7-facelift-old-vs-new-compared

Quote
the GTI hot hatch has been tweaked to offer 227hp as standard and 242hp in upgraded Performance trim. The old model produced a slightly more modest 220hp. Other models such as the GTD, GTE hybrid and Golf R will retain the same mechanical underpinnings as the existing models.

So not bi-turbo AWD GTD and not even 1 extra pony for the R. Not sure if that also means no 7 speed DSG too, but the 7 speed DSG is a "gradual" upgrade for the Golf according to VW. Quite wtf that means is anyone's guess but I suspect certain engines will be compatible - eg the new 1.5 petrol.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 10 November 2016, 15:46
How about this article then:

https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/2017-vw-golf-mk7-facelift-old-vs-new-compared

Quote
the GTI hot hatch has been tweaked to offer 227hp as standard and 242hp in upgraded Performance trim. The old model produced a slightly more modest 220hp. Other models such as the GTD, GTE hybrid and Golf R will retain the same mechanical underpinnings as the existing models.

So not bi-turbo AWD GTD and not even 1 extra pony for the R. Not sure if that also means no 7 speed DSG too, but the 7 speed DSG is a "gradual" upgrade for the Golf according to VW. Quite wtf that means is anyone's guess but I suspect certain engines will be compatible - eg the new 1.5 petrol.

Some articles are reporting 400bhp plus for the R so let's wait and see
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 10 November 2016, 17:00
I doubt the R will ever have more than the S3 so 400hp is pie in the sky I think. Also do folks realise you probably won't be able to even order these until April so deliveries won't be until July/August.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 10 November 2016, 17:11
I doubt the R will ever have more than the S3 so 400hp is pie in the sky I think. Also do folks realise you probably won't be able to even order these until April so deliveries won't be until July/August.

It would put the R up against the RS3 and with even more economy knock (such as sub 20's) would likely take the R out of the range of most folk other than those who really do not give that a thought. Many more care about keeping that balance than do than do not though which includes me.

Increased emissions also affect company drivers though the R is not the main company drive admittedly.

More likely the 310 or at a push 340 BHP
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 10 November 2016, 17:40
400 bhp is not going to happen. Pie in the sky /  "I read it in AutoExpress so it must be true" stuff.

The current S3 is more than a big clue. A very slight power hike - ~315bhp and the 7speed DSG.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD22 on 10 November 2016, 17:44
400 bhp is not going to happen. Pie in the sky /  "I read it in AutoExpress so it must be true" stuff.

The current S3 is more than a big clue. A very slight power hike - ~315bhp and the 7speed DSG.

What do you mean? Are you saying that auto express are not always spot on? :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 10 November 2016, 19:06
An email newsletter from autoexpress claims 310ps for the R, an extra 10ps for the PP and nowt extra for the ordinary GTI, plus news of extra tech like gesture control, LED lights front and back and the sweeping indicators that higher end Audis now have but you never see in action as they don't indicate. :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: KyleB on 10 November 2016, 19:26
Wonder if the rear lights will be able to be retrofitted onto our existing models? Same for the front.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 10 November 2016, 19:51
Both front and rear lights look the same shape so they should be do able to retro fit. Might have to reduce the voltage going to the lights though.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 10 November 2016, 20:05
Here's a pretty good review of it and you get some good shots of the new lights, front and rear in action. I like the look of them a lot. Very Audi-esque with the sweeping rears and the fronts using the LED DRL's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3hwapJxgTE

As for retro-fitting... Rear's probably do-able but would be hugely costly!! The front's I'd say not so straightforward. You're talking about swapping from one bulb technology to another. The LED headlights don't use the xenon's levellers and do not require the washers either afaik. I guess anything's possible but it'd probably be cheaper to upgrade the whole car  :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Booth11 on 10 November 2016, 21:14
I like the rear light clusters and pulsating indicators, the wireless charging function and the fact the radar is now in the VW badge, but am not sold on the rest of it.  The active dash/media display doesn't do much for me at all and I much prefer the current U shaped front lights. 

For me the whole look is too Audi-esque. If I want that I'd get an Audi. Yes, they are all VAG, but still up to now distinct in their own right, but judging by this facelift pretty soon they are going to look indistinguishable.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 10 November 2016, 21:16
The front and rear lights on the GTI are a huge improvement and look much better to me than the current ones. Makes you wonder how they are going to differentiate the R at the front

https://youtu.be/aq2eCk9jLFg
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Booth11 on 10 November 2016, 21:28
The front and rear lights on the GTI are a huge improvement and look much better to me than the current ones. Makes you wonder how they are going to differentiate the R at the front

https://youtu.be/aq2eCk9jLFg

That's the point, you don't differentiate it, it goes under the radar. :wink:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 10 November 2016, 21:38
The front and rear lights on the GTI are a huge improvement and look much better to me than the current ones. Makes you wonder how they are going to differentiate the R at the front

https://youtu.be/aq2eCk9jLFg

That's the point, you don't differentiate it, it goes under the radar. :wink:

Hopefully the facelift R won't go under the radar. Top end hatchback with 300 plus ponies should look more aggressive than it currently does. Let's face it, the cat is well and truly out out the bag, most car enthusiasts will be able to tell the difference between the GTI/R by now even if they don't own one. So may as well make its looks match its performance and not be so meh
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 10 November 2016, 21:39
I love the fact they've integrated the radar into the VW badge. Makes the whole front end more seemless. Like the new rear clusters. Although the GTD/GTI/R are lovely anyway. Not keen on sweeping indicators at all. Think they looks gash - on Audi S Lines too. Don't think the new front lights are an improvement design wise apart from utilising LED tech. Hate gesture control. VW should scrap touch screens and gesture for a good version of BMW iDrive or Audi's MMI. Touch screens are plain dangerous!

On the whole I'll skip this refresh and wait to see what they do with the Mk8.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Booth11 on 10 November 2016, 22:29
The front and rear lights on the GTI are a huge improvement and look much better to me than the current ones. Makes you wonder how they are going to differentiate the R at the front

https://youtu.be/aq2eCk9jLFg

That's the point, you don't differentiate it, it goes under the radar. :wink:

Hopefully the facelift R won't go under the radar. Top end hatchback with 300 plus ponies should look more aggressive than it currently does. Let's face it, the cat is well and truly out out the bag, most car enthusiasts will be able to tell the difference between the GTI/R by now even if they don't own one. So may as well make its looks match its performance and not be so meh

I actually think the current R looks pretty aggressive in the flesh, it was a pleasant surprise to me when I finally got mine that it did so.  It doesn't translate quite so in photos and it lacks some of the presence of the mk6 R, but I like the balance it strikes between under the radar and showing intent.  Time will tell what the FL R will be but I hope it's not too in your face.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 10 November 2016, 23:12
That's the point, you don't differentiate it, it goes under the radar. :wink:
One of the ways to spot a performance Golf was the front lights or the rear exhausts.

From the FL GTI photos, it looks like the exhausts are likely to be similar i.e. GTI 1+1, R 2+2 and GTD 2 on left.

However, it looks like lots of models are getting the LED update. So the only way to tell a performance Golf will be from the front badge. So the performance models will blend in with all the other models. Maybe that is a good thing. When someone looks in their rear view mirror it is going to be nearly impossible to tell if it's a performance Golf.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD22 on 10 November 2016, 23:23
I like the rear light clusters and pulsating indicators, the wireless charging function and the fact the radar is now in the VW badge, but am not sold on the rest of it.  The active dash/media display doesn't do much for me at all and I much prefer the current U shaped front lights. 

For me the whole look is too Audi-esque. If I want that I'd get an Audi. Yes, they are all VAG, but still up to now distinct in their own right, but judging by this facelift pretty soon they are going to look indistinguishable.

Couldn't agree more with all of that.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 10 November 2016, 23:26
That's the point, you don't differentiate it, it goes under the radar. :wink:
One of the ways to spot a performance Golf was the front lights or the rear exhausts.

From the FL GTI photos, it looks like the exhausts are likely to be similar i.e. GTI 1+1, R 2+2 and GTD 2 on left.

However, it looks like lots of models are getting the LED update. So the only way to tell a performance Golf will be from the front badge. So the performance models will blend in with all the other models. Maybe that is a good thing. When someone looks in their rear view mirror it is going to be nearly impossible to tell if it's a performance Golf.

LED rears have been standard in most Golf's barring the entry level version for a while now here in Ireland. I suspect entry level cars will still have halogens though? The new LED's effectively replacing today's xenons on models that have them.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 11 November 2016, 08:05
That's the point, you don't differentiate it, it goes under the radar. :wink:
One of the ways to spot a performance Golf was the front lights or the rear exhausts.

From the FL GTI photos, it looks like the exhausts are likely to be similar i.e. GTI 1+1, R 2+2 and GTD 2 on left.

However, it looks like lots of models are getting the LED update. So the only way to tell a performance Golf will be from the front badge. So the performance models will blend in with all the other models. Maybe that is a good thing. When someone looks in their rear view mirror it is going to be nearly impossible to tell if it's a performance Golf.

It's almost impossible to tell performance anything to the uninitiated these days. Pretty much everything has front fogs and 2 pipes these days for styling rather than a need. A colleague has a new Mazda 3 - it's only 120ps but has GTI style pipes. Front fogs are pretty useless for seeing what's ahead of you anyway and the amount of times i've had the conditions to legally put front fogs on in the last 5 years, I can count on one hand.

20 years ago having front fogs almost certainly meant you were driving something sporty, but not now. Ironically now, the sportiest cars have big air intakes and no room for front fogs.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 11 November 2016, 11:15
Front fogs are so yesterday.... it's all about dazzling LED DRL's now  :smiley:

Audi don't even fit front fogs to cars that have the LED headlights fitted.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 11 November 2016, 12:24
The fact the GTD was not mentioned - does this mean it will remain the same spec as the current model?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 11 November 2016, 12:50
The front and rear lights on the GTI are a huge improvement and look much better to me than the current ones. Makes you wonder how they are going to differentiate the R at the front

https://youtu.be/aq2eCk9jLFg

That's the point, you don't differentiate it, it goes under the radar. :wink:

Hopefully the facelift R won't go under the radar. Top end hatchback with 300 plus ponies should look more aggressive than it currently does. Let's face it, the cat is well and truly out out the bag, most car enthusiasts will be able to tell the difference between the GTI/R by now even if they don't own one. So may as well make its looks match its performance and not be so meh

I actually think the current R looks pretty aggressive in the flesh, it was a pleasant surprise to me when I finally got mine that it did so.  It doesn't translate quite so in photos and it lacks some of the presence of the mk6 R, but I like the balance it strikes between under the radar and showing intent.  Time will tell what the FL R will be but I hope it's not too in your face.

Agree with this, has far more presence than thought it had and having had the pleasure going side by side with my cars double last Friday, where we exchanged sport sounds  :cool: can testify them sweet notes are more than noticeable even from a sealed cabin, so even if not notice its a performance Golf you soon realise when moves up beside you.

But its wider and lowered stance with Pretoria, 4 exhausts, twin U DRL and in my case signature Lapiz for me shows plenty but suitably subtle enough intent.

Actually like the new DRL on the GTI as think the red stripe never really tied in with the lights as well as should, but the angular nature is definitely more aligned to other brands and if have the integrated tailpipes more so IE: Mercedes.

Having digested everything yesterday about the only item that thought maybe would like is the sweeping indicators but then you are very much open to being mistaken for an Audi, and personalty like the differentiation, so it was not even them in the end.

If the R goes down the angular twin DRL it will look like a GTI coming at you, so again more reason to be happy with the U shaped DRL, more signature R than ever.

Now seen the new vents, like the existing R vents more,

Think the biggest gamechanger would be the Cadiz are binned for better standard wheels,

But we shall see, but very happy have mine now, and by time mine is up for change the MK 8 will be at least a year in production, so can make a choice whether to change, or if really do not like direction gone, maybe just keep this one as might be the most desired then, and it does all I want a car to do now, and more really, and that not going to change and with only 21k on clock likely
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Booth11 on 11 November 2016, 13:14
^^

Perfectly summed up on every point.  :smiley:

Totally agree with you about the GTI red stripe, much better on the facelift. It was the single thing that put the nail in the coffin of me getting one.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 11 November 2016, 13:40
^^

Perfectly summed up on every point.  :smiley:

Totally agree with you about the GTI red stripe, much better on the facelift. It was the single thing that put the nail in the coffin of me getting one.

By moving to twin DRL for the GTI they have instantly lost differentiation with the R and not sure how they recover that? as you see the twin DRL coming miles off

The worst case scenario is R stays as twin DRL and they put a blue stripe in it no matter the body colour, can you imagine?

Agree on the stripe, but maybe would have succumbed, so it was the AWD which was the biggest driving force for heading me away from the GTI

Back to taking pull away for granted as can just pull away no matter the condition, so its quite inert, you do not feel you have been given a superpower haha, but my daily junction where have to be decisive and just go, has far less trepidation now.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 11 November 2016, 13:55
No R (or GTD) for the immediate future, so who knows what they might do next :D
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 11 November 2016, 14:03
No R (or GTD) for the immediate future, so who knows what they might do next :D

Read in a few places that both will be announced in December, which if true has you thinking why delay when the face lift is pretty well set on the interior and would likely be only different on exterior to demonstrate model differences (much as the GTD, GTI and R have subtle differences now)

So that says engines? Bi-Turbo? or maybe just moving away from diesel given its now the devil incarnate for N02 and the scandal. (The Audi diesels remained static on engine at 184 BHP)

They could easily have announced the extra 10 BHP for the R in similar fashion to S3, but maybe there is more of a hike there, 340 BHP? or maybe again its direction they not want to take anymore? and maybe that releases AWD to be used across the Golf range, again like Audi?

Lots of conjecture, some bit out there and unlikely, but strange not announced at same time if not just more of the same as to what announced and what Audi did with the A3
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 11 November 2016, 14:10
No R (or GTD) for the immediate future, so who knows what they might do next :D
Yeah, those crazy Germans.

I actually fell asleep watching the launch. Who knew that German car launch videos are a cure for insomnia.



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 11 November 2016, 14:32
...will be announced in December, which if true, has you thinking why ...

... and maybe that releases AWD to be used across the Golf range, again like Audi?

I was thinking similar. They could easily map the current GTD engine for 200bhp and add 4 motion. With the extra torque and traction it would be serious competition to the GTI. Which is why I think they won't do it.

I think the FL GTI has indicated what the R will likely get. Maybe they didn't mention the GTD as there will be no change, so nothing to announce. "Remember the whole emission scandal with VW diesel engines... well, here is an even faster diesel GTD! Don't mention the war!"
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 11 November 2016, 15:07
...will be announced in December, which if true, has you thinking why ...

... and maybe that releases AWD to be used across the Golf range, again like Audi?

I was thinking similar. They could easily map the current GTD engine for 200bhp and add 4 motion. With the extra torque and traction it would be serious competition to the GTI. Which is why I think they won't do it.

I think the FL GTI has indicated what the R will likely get. Maybe they didn't mention the GTD as there will be no change, so nothing to announce. "Remember the whole emission scandal with VW diesel engines... well, here is an even faster diesel GTD! Don't mention the war!"

They could quite easily get the GTD to 200ps, but could they do it without upping NOx beyond EU6 limits without having to implement an Adblue system that the 190ps unit in the Audi A4 has?

Probably not. 200ps and AWD would only put it in true contention with the GTI on 0-62 times from a traffic light dash, once rolling it would still be down on power and nearly 150kg heavier (120kg coming from the haldex). 245ps biturbo, AWD and then you've got a GTI killer - won't happen on a GTD badge.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 11 November 2016, 15:58
200ps and AWD would only put it in true contention with the GTI on 0-62 times from a traffic light dash.
The new 190ps petrol engine in the A3 is available with quattro and has a faster 0-62 time than a GTI. That shows the difference the extra traction makes.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 11 November 2016, 17:06
I'd stick money on the GTD getting an Ad Blue tank, that would add a few KG so I'd say BHP would stay the same, as they'd need to tweak a few bits.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD22 on 11 November 2016, 20:11
Anyone  notice colours dropping out from the builder, carbon grey no longer available and night blue limited to stock only?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 11 November 2016, 20:30
200ps and AWD would only put it in true contention with the GTI on 0-62 times from a traffic light dash.
The new 190ps petrol engine in the A3 is available with quattro and has a faster 0-62 time than a GTI. That shows the difference the extra traction makes.

Exactly my point - in a traffic light duel that extra traction will help a lot, but once rolling and above 20mph in 2nd gear, not so much - the in-gear acceleration comparison between GTD with AWD and a 2WD GTI won't be half as impressive as the 0-62 time. That A3 190ps will be lacking in-gear acceleration next to a GTI.

It's like comparing the CSS and R in a straight line drag race - the R is going to kill it from a static start, but do a rolling 40-80 dash in bone dry conditions and the CSS will almost certainly have a slight edge due to the lower weight.

When you see the A3s with and without quattro, the quattro knocks about 0.7s off the 0-62 time for the same car/engine combo with 2WD, but in gear acceleration won't be any better with AWD unless you're in a car with so much power that you could invoke wheelspin in 3rd at 60mph without it. An RS6 will benefit with AWD during in-gear acceleration, but a GTD?  Likewise, the GTI isn't so powerful that it would be slipping all over the place in the wet with hard in-gear acceleration on the straights because it doesn't have AWD.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 11 November 2016, 20:46
Anyone  notice colours dropping out from the builder, carbon grey no longer available and night blue limited to stock only?

These colours have been discontinued - see discussion thread at link below;

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=278756.0
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 11 November 2016, 21:20
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-vorschau-technik-und-preis-5519781.html (http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-facelift-2016-vorschau-technik-und-preis-5519781.html)

I can not get it to translate properly. As far as I can tell the performance models get different LED lights and air intake vents.

This bit is interesting, "And VW with the facelift of the current Golf announced for July 2016 must show how the brand in the future will develop. Can be seen externally little from the change."

And this bit, "...in order to keep Germany's top-selling car fit for the next three years ." So Mk8 in 2019?

Will this colour GTI/GTD be available in the UK?
(http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/1/6/3/1/4/0/9/Das-aendert-sich-beim-Golf-7-1200x800-3aefd1cf2f02fa9e.jpg)
... this render was not far off, back in June.
 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 11 November 2016, 21:22
Looking at some of the comments - I found this interesting...

'The “endowment effect" explains our irrational tendency to overvalue something just because we own it.'

 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 11 November 2016, 21:45
Anyone else think ALL the new Golfs are going to look identical on the road?

(http://i.auto-bild.de/i/vw_onepager/vw-golf-7-facelift-varianten01.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 12 November 2016, 09:22
GTI PP power increased to 241bhp according to the mail online.
 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 12 November 2016, 09:36
So in that picture you've got a GTE (white) a GTI (red) and a R line (yellow).

The GTI and GTE are both from the performance stable (the latter some might question!) and are identically equipped in the UK already today, with only subtle differences like wheels, DRL's and tailpipes - I think there is a slight ride height difference too. This is the current situation.

The R line? I've no idea on the base spec, but like all Golfs you can add most of the bells and whistles individually that you see standard higher up the range. You can already buy an R line.

XXX line is something all manufacturers have been doing for some time - its a 1.1 engine but with their turbo-nutter body kit. I want to say Vauxhall were the first into the XXX line idea, but I could be wrong.

Its all just simply about trying to squeeze the maximum cash from punters...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 14 November 2016, 10:47
Anyone else think ALL the new Golfs are going to look identical on the road?

(http://i.auto-bild.de/i/vw_onepager/vw-golf-7-facelift-varianten01.jpg)

The non-performance models (probably including R-line) will get halogen front lights standard, although LED rears are standard throughout.

Very few people will opt for LED headlights as an option, how many current Mk7's on the road now do you see that have added xenons w/ u-shaped LED DRL's? I think I've probably seen one or two at most. The current R-Line only get halogens as standard. Its an additional £2,180.00 if you want to add xenons w/ LED DRL's as you have to add lane assist for some reason!!

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 14 November 2016, 10:54
So in that picture you've got a GTE (white) a GTI (red) and a R line (yellow).

The GTI and GTE are both from the performance stable (the latter some might question!) and are identically equipped in the UK already today, with only subtle differences like wheels, DRL's and tailpipes - I think there is a slight ride height difference too. This is the current situation.

The R line? I've no idea on the base spec, but like all Golfs you can add most of the bells and whistles individually that you see standard higher up the range. You can already buy an R line.

XXX line is something all manufacturers have been doing for some time - its a 1.1 engine but with their turbo-nutter body kit. I want to say Vauxhall were the first into the XXX line idea, but I could be wrong.

Its all just simply about trying to squeeze the maximum cash from punters...

Audi S-Line started about 10 years ago...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 14 November 2016, 11:20
Does anyone else think the GTE is a big improvement?
The styling looks more or less like the GTI/D as opposed to the current GTE which is just kind of in-between a GT and GTI/D.
Also those wheels could be a clue to the facelift GTD wheels, as you can spec Nogaros on a current GTE in Germany...just a thought?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 November 2016, 11:39
Here is a bigger image...

(https://www.motoringresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/01_Volkswagen_Golf_2017.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 November 2016, 12:02
I thought the radar sensor was now integrated?

(http://images.car.bauercdn.com/pagefiles/67918/1752x1168/zgolf-001.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 14 November 2016, 12:05
I see what you mean, but the estate and the yellow are both R-Line. In reality you wont see many R-lines.

I'd take a guess and say what, over 70% of new UK golfs are/will be non-performance variety?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 14 November 2016, 12:09
I thought the radar sensor was now integrated?

(http://images.car.bauercdn.com/pagefiles/67918/1752x1168/zgolf-001.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)

That's what I thought too, if new sensor is behind the VW badge, could be the new charging point on GTE? But then it looks identical to our current sensor...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 November 2016, 12:41
That's what I thought too, if new sensor is behind the VW badge, could be the new charging point on GTE? But then it looks identical to our current sensor...
... you got it. The GTE charge point must be behind the badge. So the radar sensor has to remain in the lower grill.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 14 November 2016, 16:37
That's what I thought too, if new sensor is behind the VW badge, could be the new charging point on GTE? But then it looks identical to our current sensor...
... you got it. The GTE charge point must be behind the badge. So the radar sensor has to remain in the lower grill.

Of course!  :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: cosmos on 14 November 2016, 17:57
I really like that yellow colour. Wouldn't work with the red GTI details but a Golf R in that colour would be great.

Overall I'm quite pleased with the changes as they're not that noticeable so I don't feel like my GTI is going to look outdated too quickly. Look forward to see what they'll do in a few years with the Mk8
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Zayd on 20 November 2016, 15:14
I'm actually glad now, that I'm getting the pre facelift version.  After comparing numerous photos, in my opinion the current GTI's front bumper looks more aggressive and most notably around the fog light area.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 20 November 2016, 15:35
I'm actually glad now, that I'm getting the pre facelift version.  After comparing numerous photos, in my opinion the current GTI's front bumper looks more aggressive and most notably around the fog light area.

I'm not overly keen on the FL GTI bumper either. It looks a bit fussy where as the current/outgoing car looks quite pretty with simple lines.
The FL headlamps look good though.

Plus the other FL models shown so far look a lot sharper than the current 'sub' R Line and performance models which look a bit dowdy.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the R. 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: TonyJ on 22 November 2016, 08:51
My GTD will be 3 years old in March, so looking to order another soon.
Have spoken to five VW dealers about the facelift. None of them know any more than what is shown on the VW website. One, inexplicably, did not even seem to know that there was one imminent.

Factory orders for the Golf R have now been stopped - a dealer told me that this was to ensure a smooth switchover to the facelifted model

Has anyone heard any info about the GTD? .

Bit of a dilemma  -  order a GTD now, and get a reasonably good deal on the pre-facelifted model, or wait, and perhaps pay a lot more for a model which is virtually unchanged.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 22 November 2016, 11:01
My GTD will be 3 years old in March, so looking to order another soon.
Have spoken to five VW dealers about the facelift. None of them know any more than what is shown on the VW website. One, inexplicably, did not even seem to know that there was one imminent.

Factory orders for the Golf R have now been stopped - a dealer told me that this was to ensure a smooth switchover to the facelifted model

Has anyone heard any info about the GTD? .

Bit of a dilemma  -  order a GTD now, and get a reasonably good deal on the pre-facelifted model, or wait, and perhaps pay a lot more for a model which is virtually unchanged.

Any thoughts?

They didn't show any pictures/details of the facelifted GTD but you can take it as a given that it'll take most of the same cues as the GTI minus the red stripes (new bumpers, lights, etc). Then it's a question of whether they make any mechanical changes...

As for the dealers knowing nothing - that's not inexplicable at all, it's par for the course.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jjgreenwood on 04 December 2016, 18:29
Got some new information about this today as a company car customer came in and was upset she knew more than us. Her list had the p11D of a new SE Nav 2.0TDI 150ps DSG as £27kish so I guess we are expecting a big price increase. GTD, GTI and GTE were all on the list and GTD was 184ps so no new diesel engines I guess.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 04 December 2016, 18:49
You'll almost certainly be seeing a significant price increase, possibly loss or reduction in deposit contribution and they might hit it with the ugly stick a little. If it gets any more equipment, you'll be paying for it - VW gives nothing away. I'd personally get one ordered now if i was looking to order a GTD - judging by the A3's facelift, it's unlikely to get a power increase (the R is almost a cert to get another 10ps and access to the 7speed DSG).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 04 December 2016, 19:55
According to EVO Mag, the facelifted GTI and the PP will get about 10bhp extra each. In what seems to be an official VW press release, they say that the 7 speed dsg box will also be fitted, but not straight away. Don't know why VW have announced that, as I'd say the new box is worth waiting for. I love my dsg, but a quicker box with even closer cogs is a nice thought.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 05 December 2016, 15:28
Got some new information about this today as a company car customer came in and was upset she knew more than us. Her list had the p11D of a new SE Nav 2.0TDI 150ps DSG as £27kish so I guess we are expecting a big price increase. GTD, GTI and GTE were all on the list and GTD was 184ps so no new diesel engines I guess.

Hopefully the higher prices will reflect a much higher standard equipment level featuring bigger nav screens and digital gauges inside without dipping into the extras list.
Hopefully this is VW's thinking to keep the Golf at the cutting edge technologically and competitive price wise. Higher standard kit means easier to manage resale prices too.

According to EVO Mag, the facelifted GTI and the PP will get about 10bhp extra each. In what seems to be an official VW press release, they say that the 7 speed dsg box will also be fitted, but not straight away. Don't know why VW have announced that, as I'd say the new box is worth waiting for. I love my dsg, but a quicker box with even closer cogs is a nice thought.
VW mentioned a gradual adoption of 7 speeds at launch so that's accurate information.
However, in a country with a 70mph speed limit how many gears do you really need?
The thing will just be non stop hiccuping.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 December 2016, 07:35
VW mentioned a gradual adoption of 7 speeds at launch so that's accurate information.
However, in a country with a 70mph speed limit how many gears do you really need?
On the Audi S3, the 7 speed Stronic (DSG) has improved acceleration and fuel economy. It is an option I would want to wait for. Hopefully, it will be available on the performance models from launch.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 December 2016, 08:39
... and they might hit it with the ugly stick a little.
:huh: The evidence is in and the jury is out on that one.

I think the new swept LED running light are an improvement. Not sure about the black plastic bits. Really not sure about the red highlights in the GTI head lights. Waiting for more photos.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 December 2016, 08:49
GTD, GTI and GTE were all on the list and GTD was 184ps so no new diesel engines I guess.
Maybe they were just using the current information for the GTD.

Though maybe that's why it was never mentioned at the launch. I did think it would be strange to announce it at the same time as the Golf R.

It's disappointing - a little more power and a 7 speed DSG could easily bring the GTD 0-62 down below 7 seconds. With the new DSG it would have been more economical too.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 18 December 2016, 21:23
... thanks to the folks over at the VWROC forum...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161217/0facd1a38c06a3b0ed16925bf57a2c8c.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161217/f8a0687627eec3a326245cd0a89cec6c.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161217/e273f3ff0c372f6300b39fff63fdfb35.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161217/8e5aa8b161e86ada89b076038069b64d.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161217/23732ba4fbffe2e13308a38f218d9910.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 18 December 2016, 22:38
Daz - are those standard wheels, replacing the Cadiz?

If so then those are a huge improvement over the fugly Cadiz - I would be more than happy to have those and not pay another £900 out to VW for the Prets. I slightly prefer the new front end (intakes - even if the black bits do look like Super Mario's 'tache) and the hexagonal detailing on the rear valance is a welcome addition too. It gets a thumbs up from me.  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 18 December 2016, 23:04
I do like the look of the new DRL's and the rear lights but the front end is still just missing that more aggressive look I would personally like to see. Probably need to see it in the flesh first. So if VW are just releasing this facelift how long can we expect to wait until we see the new Mk8 R? Are we talking 2019 or possibly 2020?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 18 December 2016, 23:22
Unfortunately, no details yet. Though even my wife commented on how nice those alloys are. I think I can see a 19 on one of those tyres. Does that make them an optional extra?

On the Mk8 - it's just an educated guess - launch end 2018, available early 2019, Golf R announced a year later, available early 2020.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 18 December 2016, 23:48
Hmmm. The wheels are an improvement on the Cadiz but still not great imo. Prets for me.
Looks like the side skirts are like those on the GTI, but maybe gloss black - not the fully painted skirts on today's car?
The honeycomb effect on the rear skirt is nice but isn't that more of a GTI thing... confused identity.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 19 December 2016, 07:11
It looks like the Golf R has slowly evolved in to a variant of the GTI in the looks department. Although iI absolutely loved my GTI PP, I feel the Golf R should have enough difference in appearance to separate them as models.

In the photos of the R, The gloss black rear valance looks like it now honeycomb effect like a GTI.  The side skirts are a gloss black variant of the GTI skirts.  The front valance looks OK but too fussy for me and the air intakes look smaller as a result making the car in photos at least, look less like an R.  The wheels look uninspiring, it would be Pretorias for me on this case.  I guess it will be a case of if you see it in the flesh it will look better.  But the photos don't do it justice and I am now glad I got my Golf R a couple months ago on the original MK7 body. 

However when more photos come out or car is available to look at in the dealership I may sway my opinion, but for now not overly keen on the new Golf R styling.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 19 December 2016, 10:44
Whoever took those photos did an excellent job. I had a hard time finding as good a photo of the original car from a similar angle.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161217/f8a0687627eec3a326245cd0a89cec6c.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/m16SKO3lqyo/maxresdefault.jpg)

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: LRWmotorsport on 19 December 2016, 10:49
Think the 7.5 R looks 10x better.

More like a performance model than a Match now.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 19 December 2016, 11:36
Think the 7.5 R looks 10x better.

More like a performance model than a Match now.

Definitely. When it's time for me to change an R could be an option (although we maybe up to a mk10 by then :rolleyes:).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: cosmos on 19 December 2016, 18:05
Opinions eh? I'm not a fan of those new wheels at all and I really like the Cadiz wheels!

I'm hoping the Mk8 R is going to be something really special as that'll be out around upgrade time for me.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 19 December 2016, 18:14
Would like to see it on a white to see how much more agressive the black on the front bumper stands out.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 19 December 2016, 18:15
Opinions eh? I'm not a fan of those new wheels at all and I really like the Cadiz wheels!

I'm hoping the Mk8 R is going to be something really special as that'll be out around upgrade time for me.
The Cadiz have slowly grown on me and like you, I'm not a fan of the new wheels.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: matchboy on 20 December 2016, 10:13
Have to say, I like that a lot.  Like the new front end, and the DRL's.  Even like the new wheels, but at 18" they'll be too small, shame they're not available in 19's.  I think its going to be 2019 until we see the mk 8 R, so its a good facelift IMO, especially introducing a virtual cockpit and a bigger nav screen in the centre console.  I'm assuming they're upping the power to 310bhp a la the S3?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: AndyG on 20 December 2016, 11:45
I think that R wheel is 19" if you zoom in on the tyre it looks like 19.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: matchboy on 20 December 2016, 12:41
I think that R wheel is 19" if you zoom in on the tyre it looks like 19.

Do you know what, after I posted that comment I went back and had another look at the pics and I thought the same as they fill the arches too well to be 18's, but as people were saying they were better than the Cadiz I thought it must be my old eyes playing tricks on me  :laugh:  So, if they are indeed 19's then I think the facelift looks very smart indeed, I like all the changes and I'd certainly be tempted given we aren't going to see a mk 8 R for 3 years I reckon.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: AndyG on 20 December 2016, 14:33
It is nice agreed,my plan is to hold out for the mk8.At least the mk7 won't look dated next to this mk7.5.
It's only us golf connoisseurs that will notice.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 20 December 2016, 15:15
I didn't even think to zoom in on those wheels -just assumed they were a Cadiz replacement, but upon zooming in those wheels are clearly on 19" P-Zeros. For me they look better than Cadiz but i'd still rather have Prets than those.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 20 December 2016, 17:01
The wheels are an improvement on the Cadiz (a set of wooden wheels off a horses cart would be better than the cadiz), but I'd still have the prets any day of the week - especially as they're such a cheap option here in Ireland.

Overall I think the changes are good. They've given it a beefier look which goes some way towards countering the argument that it looks like a 1.6 Bluemotion. The gloss side skirts and beefier intakes are an improvement. And I like the Audi-esque tail lights.

Would I change though? It'd be my 3rd MK7 and I'm not sure there's enough changes to justify it! The car would still feel really similar to what I have.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 20 December 2016, 18:34
I'm going to go against the prevelant view... I think the new one looks loads better and also that the comparison image makes the old one look dated like a mk6... *ducks for cover *
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 21 December 2016, 12:31
The Golf R is on the Konfigurator. No GTD yet :undecided:

http://app.volkswagen.de/ihdcc/de/configurator.html#30315 (http://app.volkswagen.de/ihdcc/de/configurator.html#30315)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 21 December 2016, 13:06
I think the FL GTI trumps the new R in the looks department, and I wasn't keen on the FL GTI at first so that's not saying much.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 21 December 2016, 13:12
It's such a pit they don't offer the bucket seats as an option  :sad: :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 21 December 2016, 13:12
The Golf R is on the Konfigurator. No GTD yet :undecided:

http://app.volkswagen.de/ihdcc/de/configurator.html#30315 (http://app.volkswagen.de/ihdcc/de/configurator.html#30315)

Looks like the 18" Cadiz will still be standard then?

Not sure about the liquid Gold colour, a nice solid yellow like the S3 might have been better...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 21 December 2016, 13:38
The Golf R is on the Konfigurator. No GTD yet :undecided:

http://app.volkswagen.de/ihdcc/de/configurator.html#30315 (http://app.volkswagen.de/ihdcc/de/configurator.html#30315)

Looks like the 18" Cadiz will still be standard then?

Not sure about the liquid Gold colour, a nice solid yellow like the S3 might have been better...

I'd be very surprised if us conservative Brits got offered the option of that liquid gold shade and even if we did I doubt it would be an option for more than a year or so.
I saw an S3 in that yellow last summer. The dullest looking car ever (not necessarily in a bad way as I do like A3's) with the brightest yellow just didn't look right.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 21 December 2016, 14:02
The Golf R is on the Konfigurator. No GTD yet :undecided:

http://app.volkswagen.de/ihdcc/de/configurator.html#30315 (http://app.volkswagen.de/ihdcc/de/configurator.html#30315)

Looks like the 18" Cadiz will still be standard then?

Not sure about the liquid Gold colour, a nice solid yellow like the S3 might have been better...

I'd be very surprised if us conservative Brits got offered the option of that liquid gold shade and even if we did I doubt it would be an option for more than a year or so.
I saw an S3 in that yellow last summer. The dullest looking car ever (not necessarily in a bad way as I do like A3's) with the brightest yellow just didn't look right.

IMO it does need the black styling pack, 90% privacy glass and the pan/sunroof to pull it off on the S3.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: matchboy on 21 December 2016, 14:05
Great find, just configured an R and came out at 50,000 euros  :shocked:

Just over 500 euros for the 'virtual cockpit' - that seems good value though, I thought they'd charge a lot more for that.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 21 December 2016, 14:09
500 euros for virtual cockpit, bargain! That's about 700 quid now isn't it?

 :sick:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: matchboy on 21 December 2016, 14:14
500 euros for virtual cockpit, bargain! That's about 700 quid now isn't it?

 :sick:

Well worth it IMO.  It's much better than standard dials, and if it can be customised like the Audi one then it would be one of the first options I'd tick.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 21 December 2016, 14:15
I find the front valance more appealing in white as it shows the angles off much better, the back valance looks more fussy and I am still not a fan of the side skirts as they are very similar to the GTi side skirts.  The side skirts on the current MK7 Golf R look better, and much deeper making the car look closer to the ground than the new MK7.5 gloss black side skirts do. 

Not a bad looking car but I feel I may prefer the MK7 Golf R at present.  However I suspect I may change my mind a little when I finally see one in the flesh, who knows?

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 21 December 2016, 14:41
If virtual cockpit is 500 euros then it'll be available in the UK at 1000 pounds.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 21 December 2016, 14:50
If virtual cockpit is 500 euros then it'll be available in the UK at 1000 pounds.
A bit like the Santiagos are a €1300 option over 17" swastika alloys in the Fatherland and we have to pay £1000ish on top of 18" swastikas on a GTI up until now.  :rolleyes:

Then again the standard spec on UK mk7 GTI's and GTD's has been good so I'll not moan too much.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 22 December 2016, 00:08
Wouldn't be surprised if the dash is standard here in Ireland. The highline (GT?)? top spec Passats and Tiguan have it here so I expect the top spec Golf's will too.

The German configurator is no indication of what's available in other markets.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 22 December 2016, 07:03
Any idea where the extra BHP comes from, ECU software or upgraded parts?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mike. on 22 December 2016, 09:07
Great find, just configured an R and came out at 50,000 euros  :shocked:

Just over 500 euros for the 'virtual cockpit' - that seems good value though, I thought they'd charge a lot more for that.

But to get the Virtual Cockpit you must choose the "Radio "Composition Media" @ €440 so it costs €950 to add it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: TurboTrev on 22 December 2016, 09:37
I find the front valance more appealing in white as it shows the angles off much better, the back valance looks more fussy and I am still not a fan of the side skirts as they are very similar to the GTi side skirts.  The side skirts on the current MK7 Golf R look better, and much deeper making the car look closer to the ground than the new MK7.5 gloss black side skirts do. 

Not a bad looking car but I feel I may prefer the MK7 Golf R at present.  However I suspect I may change my mind a little when I finally see one in the flesh, who knows?

Yes, that sums it up perfectly for me as well.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 22 December 2016, 11:12
Great find, just configured an R and came out at 50,000 euros  :shocked:

At this stage the U.K. Audi website is a better place to check the likely cost of a Golf. A similar spec Audi should be a couple of grand more than a facelift Golf.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 22 December 2016, 11:21
The German configurator is no indication of what's available in other markets.
I thought the Golf R facelift would have the same engine as the UK Audi S3. Yet the CO2 figures quoted on the German website for Golf R are different. Maybe they have tweaked the engine (or the figures  :undecided:) slightly for the UK engines. It's probably no coincidence that the Stronic figure is just under the new £500 road tax bracket for the UK.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 22 December 2016, 12:31
The new 7-speed DSG is available for the Golf R on the German configurator. Looking at the Audi S3 figures, it is both faster and more economical. Does anyone know when/if this options will be available on other engines?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 22 December 2016, 13:12
VW said at the facelift launch that 7 speed DSG was being introduced across the Golf range "gradually", but didn't say which vehicles would get it first or when.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Hertsman on 22 December 2016, 15:09
Have to say that really do not like the face lift,

Front end looks too forced, as if someone has said it must make a statement, but by doing so have gone too far, and would go as far to say as looks a little grotesque with bottom half out of step with top half of the front end, - less bulging and more subtlety to fall somewhere between the present and this maybe, but definitely gone too far and losing the chrome edging on the skirt is another step back

The wheels if the standard are better than the Cadiz but little underwhelming and the Pretoria still stand apart for me (though there might be other options on FL to consider)

The rear skirting is minor dislike in comparison, as the additional honeycomb seals off the tailpipes, makes less prominent, and make very Audi, reminding me of my last S Line A3

The lights now look like the GTI and you have lost the uniqueness of the double U that differentiated the R from other performance Golfs - You see R coming a mile off but you will have trouble telling them now as most models have angular DRL - think the change worked well on GTI but step back on the R as loses some identity

Think we would all like bigger and high def screen but LED dials and touch less environments are meh, and pretty glad avoided for at least one cycle with experience contained to my PS4

Its nice to see these though as eradicated any thought of missing out on anything and that been elevated to feeling of addition by subtraction as feel got the better deal
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: brettblade on 23 December 2016, 12:31
Have to say that really do not like the face lift,

Front end looks too forced, as if someone has said it must make a statement, but by doing so have gone too far, and would go as far to say as looks a little grotesque with bottom half out of step with top half of the front end, - less bulging and more subtlety to fall somewhere between the present and this maybe, but definitely gone too far and losing the chrome edging on the skirt is another step back

The wheels if the standard are better than the Cadiz but little underwhelming and the Pretoria still stand apart for me (though there might be other options on FL to consider)

The rear skirting is minor dislike in comparison, as the additional honeycomb seals off the tailpipes, makes less prominent, and make very Audi, reminding me of my last S Line A3

The lights now look like the GTI and you have lost the uniqueness of the double U that differentiated the R from other performance Golfs - You see R coming a mile off but you will have trouble telling them now as most models have angular DRL - think the change worked well on GTI but step back on the R as loses some identity

Think we would all like bigger and high def screen but LED dials and touch less environments are meh, and pretty glad avoided for at least one cycle with experience contained to my PS4

Its nice to see these though as eradicated any thought of missing out on anything and that been elevated to feeling of addition by subtraction as feel got the better deal

I agree Hertsman, was always going to be a bit of a risk when I ordered my Mk7 earlier this year, but having now seen the facelift I'm not the least bit disappointed with my decision.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 23 December 2016, 12:48
It still has double DRL's vs only single on a GTI...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 23 December 2016, 16:57
It still has double DRL's vs only single on a GTI...
(https://photos-3.carwow.co.uk/blog/1600/vw-golf-gti-old-vs-new.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 23 December 2016, 19:31
VW said at the facelift launch that 7 speed DSG was being introduced across the Golf range "gradually", but didn't say which vehicles would get it first or when.
Someone on another forum is saying that the new 7 speed DSG will be available with the performance pack GTI. Maybe this is where the VAQ LSD shows it's worth. I'm wondering if 245PS and the extra performance from this box is going to require the VAQ LSD?

From what I can gather - for most drivers - the performance pack was/is not really worth it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 23 December 2016, 20:22
VW said at the facelift launch that 7 speed DSG was being introduced across the Golf range "gradually", but didn't say which vehicles would get it first or when.
Someone on another forum is saying that the new 7 speed DSG will be available with the performance pack GTI. Maybe this is where the VAQ LSD shows it's worth. I'm wondering if 245PS and the extra performance from this box is going to require the VAQ LSD?

From what I can gather - for most drivers - the performance pack was/is not really worth it.

For everyday driving I'd agree about the PP. But, for that one occasion when the better brakes make the difference between an accident and a near miss, worth every penny. On a cosmetic front, worth it for the brake calipers as they look great.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 23 December 2016, 22:19
Great find, just configured an R and came out at 50,000 euros  :shocked:

At this stage the U.K. Audi website is a better place to check the likely cost of a Golf. A similar spec Audi should be a couple of grand more than a facelift Golf.

The gap was never as big as a couple of grand between an S3 and an R (the nearest comparison - as the A3 has no GTI equivalent, and the GTD engine comes on a non-sporting trim) - it was a mere £400-odd quid. What the R had in equipment over the S3 was pretty much evens with the cost of the Nappa leather that the S3 has as standard. S3 facelift went up in  price quite a bit, as equipment levels rose on it, hopefully any significant rise on the Golf will accompany some level of spec uplift to justify it as "value for money".
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 24 December 2016, 01:21
Is this the GTD?

https://cdn.volkswagen.at/media/Kwc_Basic_DownloadTag_Component/22251_brochures-52675-child-download-downloadTag/default/ba8eba8d/1482395262/golf-gtd-gti-12-2016-web.pdf (https://cdn.volkswagen.at/media/Kwc_Basic_DownloadTag_Component/22251_brochures-52675-child-download-downloadTag/default/ba8eba8d/1482395262/golf-gtd-gti-12-2016-web.pdf)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 24 December 2016, 04:38
Is this the GTD?

https://cdn.volkswagen.at/media/Kwc_Basic_DownloadTag_Component/22251_brochures-52675-child-download-downloadTag/default/ba8eba8d/1482395262/golf-gtd-gti-12-2016-web.pdf (https://cdn.volkswagen.at/media/Kwc_Basic_DownloadTag_Component/22251_brochures-52675-child-download-downloadTag/default/ba8eba8d/1482395262/golf-gtd-gti-12-2016-web.pdf)

Well it certainly says it is.

Some 'interesting' choices of wheels.

Nice find Daz
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 24 December 2016, 10:50
That's the GTD alright. No power changes to the diese by the looks of it.

The wheel choices are a bit uninspiring. The 18's are worse than the current offering. So I'd feel compelled to upgrade to 19's and I'm not a huge fan of the Brescias or santiagos either. Plus they're all diamond cut  :sick:

I do like the new upholstery option. And some of the colour choices. Indium grey is far nicer than limestone and should look great with the GTI red bits. The digital dash and infotainment units do look very cool too.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 24 December 2016, 10:59
I'm still saying they will include Ad Blue if no engine changes.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 24 December 2016, 12:02
I'm still saying they will include Ad Blue if no engine changes.

The facelifted A3's 184ps 2.0TDI doesn't have Adblue tech, but the 190ps unit lugging the bigger A4 does. For that reason I don't expect the facelifted GTD to have it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 24 December 2016, 12:15
I really like the look of the 'sevilla' alloys.
They look a b!tch to clean though!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 24 December 2016, 16:01
I like the look of the GTD, which is just as well I've gambled on a facelift one for my next car.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 28 December 2016, 20:22
VW said at the facelift launch that 7 speed DSG was being introduced across the Golf range "gradually", but didn't say which vehicles would get it first or when.
Here is the VW quote...
"and a new 7-speed DSG (dual clutch gearbox) will gradually replace the 6-speed DSG as a high-efficiency gearbox for the Golf."

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/768 (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/768)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mike. on 28 December 2016, 21:44
If it's like the S3 7 Speed then the 7th is really just an overdrive with very slightly shorter gearing from 1-6.
However with 1st and reverse now on different clutches it makes slow speed manoeuvring quicker.

Here is a graph I did showing the different ratios between the 7 speed s-tronic and the manual in the S3

(http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/attachments/graph-jpg.109959/)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 29 December 2016, 08:54
I wondered if the 7th gear would drop the revs at 70ish mph to below the point at which the turbo comes in.

That's pretty much how the GTD is geared.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 29 December 2016, 09:49
For everyday driving I'd agree about the PP. But, for that one occasion when the better brakes make the difference between an accident and a near miss, worth every penny.
The performance pack is an option I am really interested in. So I have done a little research.

I went onto fastestlaps.com and did a comparison. The 2 cars have both been tested on 4 tracks. On Winton (National Circuit) they posted exactly the same time. On 2 circuits only a second or less separated their times. Strangely the non-PP was almost 5 seconds faster on the Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course. They appear to have been tested a year apart. So I suspect something significant changed. The GTI PP should not be slower.

The brakes probably feel better, though for some reason, they don't seem to make a significant improvement to lap times. This surprised me.

Edit: here is a link - http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/lni25zh64v6u (http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/lni25zh64v6u)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 29 December 2016, 10:08
^looking at that graph, there'll be a very noticeable improvement in motorway cruising economy with the DSG, 2600ish revs maintaining 80mph in 7th vs 2900 revs in manual 6th, but probably won't improve town (sub 40mph) driving economy much if at all.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 29 December 2016, 17:51
^looking at that graph, there'll be a very noticeable improvement in motorway cruising economy with the DSG, 2600ish revs maintaining 80mph in 7th vs 2900 revs in manual 6th, but probably won't improve town (sub 40mph) driving economy much if at all.

Where does the turbo come in on the TSI engine? If its 2.5k I reckon 70mph would be just under 2.5krpm...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 29 December 2016, 18:03
For everyday driving I'd agree about the PP. But, for that one occasion when the better brakes make the difference between an accident and a near miss, worth every penny.
The performance pack is an option I am really interested in. So I have done a little research.

I went onto fastestlaps.com and did a comparison. The 2 cars have both been tested on 4 tracks. On Winton (National Circuit) they posted exactly the same time. On 2 circuits only a second or less separated their times. Strangely the non-PP was almost 5 seconds faster on the Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course. They appear to have been tested a year apart. So I suspect something significant changed. The GTI PP should not be slower.

The brakes probably feel better, though for some reason, they don't seem to make a significant improvement to lap times. This surprised me.

Edit: here is a link - http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/lni25zh64v6u (http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/lni25zh64v6u)

Seems an odd outcome, I expected pretty similar times but not the PP to be slower. But as that was only the one instance then perhaps there was a reason. Would still go for a PP though, even if just for the red calipers :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 29 December 2016, 20:18
... but probably won't improve town (sub 40mph) driving economy much if at all.
... that makes sense. So I had a look for the fuel economy figures of the S3 fitted with the 6-speed S-tronic. I could not find an old brochure, so the figures are from another forum.


Facelift S3 Sportback, 7-speed S-tronic, in mpg:
Urban 34.4,
Extra Urban 51.4,
Combined 43.5.

Pre-facelift S3 Sportback, 6-speed S-tronic, in mpg:
Urban 32.1,
Extra urban 47.9,
Combined 40.9.

It appears the urban driving fuel economy has improved with the new 7-speed S-tronic as well.

From the VW quote, "a new 7-speed DSG... high-efficiency gearbox..."

Edit: I wondered if they made engine changes to account for the increased fuel efficiency figures. So I checked the urban figures for the manual - 31mpg vs new 30.7mpg. It looks like it is not the engine.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 29 December 2016, 21:40
Daz: across the board (multiple engines), everything's new mpg figures have dropped and CO2 figures have risen in the VAG stable where new data is shown, not by much, but presumably they're not stretching the truth as much as they used to, pre-dieselgate.

Officially the old DSG 6-speed was a smidge more economical than the manual, but in reality it is about 10% thirstier in both GTD (comparing my old manual with my Dad's) and R (comparing mine with an extended test drive in which I started off driving as I normally would, and disregarded the drop in mpg when I started caning it). As the official gap has opened with 7-speed DSG vs manual, i'm expecting them to be about the same in real world driving around the doors, maybe the DSG will edge it on the motorway, as that rpm/speed difference in top gear can't be ignored.

The DSG's cost will be offset a little as the DSG will end up being cheaper on showroom tax than the manual under the new regime coming in April 2017.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 29 December 2016, 22:45
... presumably they're not stretching the truth as much as they used to, pre-dieselgate.

Officially the old DSG 6-speed was a smidge more economical than the manual, but in reality it is about 10% thirstier...
... then why are they only posting these improvements for this box? None of the other S-tronic equipped cars are showing any significant improvements with their official post-dieselgate figures. And the new data for the Golf R is appearing to show even greater improvements of the DSG over the manual figures.

Edit: none of the other new Golfs with DSG in the German Konfigurator are showing much difference either.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Restlessnative on 29 December 2016, 23:36
I'm still saying they will include Ad Blue if no engine changes.

Mine spends half it's life doing DPF regens.Lost count of the number of times the fan is running after i switch off.No wonder the fuel economy is sh!te.It doesn't like the cold either.Will rev highly for ages until it warms up. :sad:
45mpg.Not quite the 67 i was promised. :huh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Poached on 29 December 2016, 23:38
Is Fastestlaps even reliable? There could be numerous reasons laptimes differ even if the data added is verifiable.

PP - LSD/Bigger brakes/More power - one of the better options.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 30 December 2016, 08:05
... presumably they're not stretching the truth as much as they used to, pre-dieselgate.

Officially the old DSG 6-speed was a smidge more economical than the manual, but in reality it is about 10% thirstier...
... then why are they only posting these improvements for this box? None of the other S-tronic equipped cars are showing any significant improvements with their official post-dieselgate figures. And the new data for the Golf R is appearing to show even greater improvements of the DSG over the manual figures.

Edit: none of the other new Golfs with DSG in the German Konfigurator are showing much difference either.

I think you've missed the point I was making - all the other boxes out there for which there is new post-dieselgate official fuel usage data (manual and DSG, petrol and diesel, across all VAG models) have figures a tiny bit worse than they were previously. This is a new box with no previous data.

The biggest point I was making was that if the old DSG box was 10% thirstier in real world driving than the manual, and this new DSG box is 10% more frugal than the old one (as official figures would suggest), then the new box's real life economy should be on a par with the manual's.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 30 December 2016, 09:16
MH, which is perfectly logical - you can see it in the BMW's even more so - 8 speed auto beats 6 speed manual by quite some in MPG and CO2.

I'd agree that probably 7 speed DSG is about what it takes to make auto vs manual just a question of cost of the option.

Shame we can't nail down when 7 speed DSG is actually available :-/
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mike. on 30 December 2016, 09:23
In my S3 my average over the first 4000 miles is 32, 40+ is achievable on long motorway cruises, the official figures are still laughable  :rolleyes:
Tax is £145 vs £185 for the manual. From April 2017, first year tax is £200 DSG, £500 Manual.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 30 December 2016, 09:57
VW have stated recently that new fuel economy figures for their cars will be closer to what is achievable in the real world. Time will tell...

If they are telling the truth...

Here is the data for the new Golf R from the German website -

"Kraftstoffverbrauch in l/100km: innerorts 10,1 - 8,7 / außerorts 6,6 – 6,0 / kombiniert 7,9 - 7,0"

Google translation -

"Fuel consumption in l / 100km: urban areas 10.1 - 8.7 / extra locations 6.6 - 6.0 / combined 7.9 - 7.0"

Urban mpg(UK) conversion -

Manual 10.1 = 27.96841mpg         DSG 8.7=32.4691mpg           

So VW are claiming that the new 7-speed DSG will do 4.5mpg more than the manual for urban driving.

My point is that the new DSG is a lot more than just a 7th gear overdrive.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Jackie Treehorn on 30 December 2016, 10:29
For everyday driving I'd agree about the PP. But, for that one occasion when the better brakes make the difference between an accident and a near miss, worth every penny.
The performance pack is an option I am really interested in. So I have done a little research.

I went onto fastestlaps.com and did a comparison. The 2 cars have both been tested on 4 tracks. On Winton (National Circuit) they posted exactly the same time. On 2 circuits only a second or less separated their times. Strangely the non-PP was almost 5 seconds faster on the Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course. They appear to have been tested a year apart. So I suspect something significant changed. The GTI PP should not be slower.

The brakes probably feel better, though for some reason, they don't seem to make a significant improvement to lap times. This surprised me.

Edit: here is a link - http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/lni25zh64v6u (http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/lni25zh64v6u)

Very few of the times on that site show a driver so regardless of the variations in track temp or weather, its clearly not a controlled test or anything you could base an assumption on. Unless the laps are performed by Christian Gebhardt or similar, take that website info for what its worth...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 30 December 2016, 10:34
My point is that the new DSG is a lot more than just a 7th gear overdrive.

The design process for the new DSG box will be centred around the tests for official consumption figures. This is made easy because these tests are still a computer controlled trip on a rolling road. Looking at Mike's graphs, you can see that the ratios have not just been shuffled equally to fill the smaller gap. Tweaking the ratios to best suit the program could make the sort of "improvements" projected, but there was probably also scope for improvement in the actual gear profiles and finishes, to make the transmission more efficient.

Whether the better official consumption figures translate to the real world any better than current figures is another thing.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 30 December 2016, 13:21
Whether the better official consumption figures translate to the real world any better than current figures is another thing.
The problem I find with DSG is that it is so enjoyable/easy to plant your foot and let the car do all the work. That style of driving does not translate into good fuel economy in the real world :whistle:

We have a GTD and A3 1.6TDI fitted with DSG and S-tronic. We noticed that I was able to achieve much better fuel economy in my wife's A3 than she was. My wife had always driven manuals with smallish engines. She was used to changing gear then flooring the car. If you drive like that in a DSG the car will keep the revs high until the desired speed is achieved, at which point it may still only be in 3rd or 4th gear. Great fun, but not very economical. I allow the A3 to change through the gears at lower revs and use all 7 gears = better fuel economy.

So I can see why many drivers are disappointed with their real world fuel economy.

Does the DSG encourage an uneconomical driving style?

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 30 December 2016, 14:43
Whether the better official consumption figures translate to the real world any better than current figures is another thing.
The problem I find with DSG is that it is so enjoyable/easy to plant your foot and let the car do all the work. That style of driving does not translate into good fuel economy in the real world :whistle:

So I can see why many drivers are disappointed with their real world fuel economy.

Does the DSG encourage an uneconomical driving style?

Well, my GTI is the first non manual car I have driven as a daily and I was surprised at how long it took me to get used to it. I ran the car in exclusively in "D", with a gentle throttle, letting the gearbox do what it wanted. Once the car was ready for more beans, I had all sorts of frustration with bogging down, hunting up and down gears and silly sky high revs, coupled with less speed than I intended. For a while, I used the paddles to control things more precisely, but I have found myself using them less and less, recently, as I discovered that, by using the throttle in a more analogue fashion, I could make the car do more or less what I wanted it to in "D". Now I only ever use the paddles when things get really serious! With gentle throttle openings, the box takes a higher gear, but, by squeezing it open, rather than mashing it, the box can be persuaded to hold gears, or kick down. My consumption is averaging just over 35mpg, with mixed driving, which seems to be reasonable.

Having said all that, it does annoy me that, at low speed, I can switch from "D" to the paddles and the nanny dash display immediately tells me I should be in a higher gear! What's that all about!

On a slightly different topic, has anyone found a use for dsg "S" setting? Seems utterly pointless, unless you're on a drag strip.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 30 December 2016, 15:06
When does WLTP replace NEDC figures for fuel economy? Its in 2017 sometime...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 30 December 2016, 16:28
When does WLTP replace NEDC figures for fuel economy? Its in 2017 sometime...
"The (EU)commission proposed to start applying the new test from 1 September 2017, but environmental groups feared member states would give the car industry a year respite."

Edit: here is a link - https://euobserver.com/environment/133833 (https://euobserver.com/environment/133833)

"As of that date, national authorities will no longer be allowed hand out the certificates carmakers need to put their cars on the market if the car hasn't been tested with the WLTP method. Cars that have received their certificate between now and 1 September 2017 may be sold until 1 September 2018."
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 30 December 2016, 17:21
Thanks - I was reading this earlier:

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/discover-vauxhall/technology/wltp.html

Reading that, the figures go up rather than down?

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 30 December 2016, 17:32
Thanks - I was reading this earlier:

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/discover-vauxhall/technology/wltp.html

Reading that, the figures go up rather than down?

No they go down. The "from" figure will be the worst figure (urban), the "to" figure will be the best figure "extra urban" part of the cycle. Compare MEDC "from" or "to" figures with those from the new WLTP cycle and you see them drop for each engine. They look pretty realistic on the WLTP cycle. When you see the 1.4 100ps engine with an old extra urban value of 67mpg, and the new WLTP figure of 52mpg, it seems about right. My old "67mpg"  GTD gave around 50mpg combined.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: gtiaps on 31 December 2016, 17:10
Alot depends on what colour your gonna be wanting on a facelift or new golf as I notice they have tweaked the colour options and done away with the carbon grey to me seems to be a mistake as it's a very nice colour albeit I'm not  bias but it's a shame  :whistle: :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 31 December 2016, 17:27
Alot depends on what colour your gonna be wanting on a facelift or new golf as I notice they have tweaked the colour options and done away with the carbon grey to me seems to be a mistake as it's a very nice colour albeit I'm not  bias but it's a shame  :whistle: :whistle:

Where did you get the information that they are dropping carbon grey? Seems a mad seeing as most GTi and GTD's I see on the road are that colour.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 31 December 2016, 17:34
Alot depends on what colour your gonna be wanting on a facelift or new golf as I notice they have tweaked the colour options and done away with the carbon grey to me seems to be a mistake as it's a very nice colour albeit I'm not  bias but it's a shame  :whistle: :whistle:

Where did you get the information that they are dropping carbon grey? Seems a mad seeing as most GTi and GTD's I see on the road are that colour.

Official VW notification:

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=278756.0
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 31 December 2016, 19:03
Alot depends on what colour your gonna be wanting on a facelift or new golf as I notice they have tweaked the colour options and done away with the carbon grey to me seems to be a mistake as it's a very nice colour albeit I'm not  bias but it's a shame  :whistle: :whistle:

Where did you get the information that they are dropping carbon grey? Seems a mad seeing as most GTi and GTD's I see on the road are that colour.

Official VW notification:

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=278756.0

Wow, the only colours I was interested in was carbon, pearl black or night blue and the only one I don't see around that much is night blue so I went with that and that is now gone too. Funnily enough what made my mind up was on the way to the dealer I was driving behind a night blue GTi
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 31 December 2016, 19:07
No doubt they will be replaced with other colours, probably similar ones.

Carbon grey does seem one of the more popular colours you see on the road.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 31 December 2016, 19:19
My interpretation of the colours thing is that the notice in the link refers to the run out of the Mk7. We don't yet have full ordering details for the Mk7.5, but, no doubt, there will again be a full range of colours available.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: gtiaps on 31 December 2016, 22:39
Alot depends on what colour your gonna be wanting on a facelift or new golf as I notice they have tweaked the colour options and done away with the carbon grey to me seems to be a mistake as it's a very nice colour albeit I'm not  bias but it's a shame  :whistle: :whistle:

Where did you get the information that they are dropping carbon grey? Seems a mad seeing as most GTi and GTD's I see on the road are that colour.

Got it from Vw site if you go to order a car and start from scratch with new build options you will see the carbon grey is missing from the colour line up.
As said yeah it's a very popular colour tbh was the only colour I wanted when I built mine it does seem mad of Vw to drop it but I can only go on the options available  :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 01 January 2017, 01:19
If you check out the German configurator posted up on here in another thread you'll see the 'new' colours.
Evo1986 also posted up an official VW document where it states that Carbon Grey is now replaced by Indium Grey, a Scirocco (and Passat?) colour up until now. 
Night Blue seems to have been replaced by a lighter blue and silver is now silver white or white silver.

 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 01 January 2017, 09:23
Does anyone know when order books open for the performance golfs and you will be able to configure one on the website?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 01 January 2017, 11:20
February at the earliest
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: drisser on 07 January 2017, 21:32
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a75GgnbiaeM

Looks very fussy those front lights.. 

As for the gesture control, my question is why bother ?  If you watch the video it's clear it doesn't work very well and it takes a split second to press a button so why faff around waving your hand looking like swatting flies when a simple dial or button works.

The HUD in my 330d is simply miles better than any of this you can scroll through radio stations, iPod, phone calls etc with both hands on wheel and eyes on road. 

I honestly think audi and vw are going the wrong way with this tech.. Grateful my CS has normal dials to be honest I wish manufacturers would spend the R&d budget on hardware not stupid gadgets to show off in the showroom..
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 07 January 2017, 23:17
I was reading a google translated German article earlier. One thing really confused me - they said that the new 7-speed DSG would be available on the high torque 150PS diesel, but not on the GTI. So I had a look at the German configurator. Sure enough the 150PS diesel has a 7-speed DSG.

The brochure for the new GTD appears to show that it still has the 6-speed DSG.

Also, the figures for the new Golf R are claiming a slight improvement in Co2, fuel economy and performance compared to the manual. For the DSG equipped diesel the figures are worse than the manual. Though performance is the same.

I don't understand why the 7-speed DSG is in the Golf R, not in the GTI, in the 150PS diesel and not in the GTD.

Also, I don't understand how the 7-speed DSG appears to show improved figures for the Golf R and worse figures for the 150PS diesel - compared to the manual cars.

 :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 08 January 2017, 09:46
I was reading a google translated German article earlier. One thing really confused me - they said that the new 7-speed DSG would be available on the high torque 150PS diesel, but not on the GTI. So I had a look at the German configurator. Sure enough the 150PS diesel has a 7-speed DSG.

The brochure for the new GTD appears to show that it still has the 6-speed DSG.

Also, the figures for the new Golf R are claiming a slight improvement in Co2, fuel economy and performance compared to the manual. For the DSG equipped diesel the figures are worse than the manual. Though performance is the same.

I don't understand why the 7-speed DSG is in the Golf R, not in the GTI, in the 150PS diesel and not in the GTD.

Also, I don't understand how the 7-speed DSG appears to show improved figures for the Golf R and worse figures for the 150PS diesel - compared to the manual cars.

 :undecided:

The 150ps diesel doesn't get "the" 7 speed DSG unit that is in the S3 (and is heading for the R), it gets the other 7 speed dry clutch system that has been available on some lower powered VAGs for quite a while - the dry clutch system can't handle lots of torque or power, which is why it hasn't already been in higher powered units.

It is a mystery to me why the new R/S3 7 speed DSG isn't heading for the GTI/GTD  maybe the fuel economy benefits aren't there for the GTI/GTD as they already have taller gearing than the R and the only way of getting the performance to remain the same (0-62 is quicker if traffic light duels with launch control is your thing) and to get the economy up noticeably on the R was to make gears 1-6 a bit shorter and add a really tall 7th gear.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 08 January 2017, 11:10
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/vw-golf-7-facelift-2017-neuer-motor-8547795.html (http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/vw-golf-7-facelift-2017-neuer-motor-8547795.html)

From the 4.1.2017 article link above (which could be wrong) -

"That the new Siebengang (7-speed) DSG for torque-strong engines can initially only be ordered for the 150 hp TDI and the GTI Performance, but not for the standard GTI."

"Like the strong TDI from 150 hp, the GTI gets a new Siebengang DSG, which is to save up to ten percent CO2 and thus fuel."

The diesel figures quoted on the konfigurator don't show a 10% saving mentioned in the quote above. Maybe they don't have the new figures yet, so they are still using the old numbers :undecided:

The DSG DQ200 dry clutch is for engines up to 250Nm of torque. The 150PS diesel has 340Nm of torque. Previously it used the DQ250 wet clutch, with a max torque rating of 400Nm.

From memory - the new Golf R will have 400Nm, the new GTI will remain unchanged at 350Nm and the current GTD has 380Nm. These engines will not work with the 7-speed DSG dry clutch.

I suspect the new Audi A3 1.8 TFSI is using the 7-speed DSG dry clutch, but then it has only 250Nm of torque.

The data for the new Golf may not be up to date.

I cannot wait to see the data for the GTI Performance Pack.



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 08 January 2017, 12:25
Daz: Seems weird that VW will only initially allow availability of the new 7-speed DSG on the GTI PP and not the standard GTI - especially as VW market PP pack as an optional extra rather than as a distinct model in its own right, the extra 10ps barely makes a difference to performance (pre-facelift) due to the extra weight of the PP tech. Maybe supply is low (or they have a stockpile of 6-speed DSG boxes) and PP spec will be the big differentiator purely due to VW wanting to make spending the extra on PP that little bit more enticing.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 08 January 2017, 14:12
Daz: Seems weird that VW will only initially allow availability of the new 7-speed DSG on the GTI PP and not the standard GTI - especially as VW market PP pack as an optional extra rather than as a distinct model in its own right, the extra 10ps barely makes a difference to performance (pre-facelift) due to the extra weight of the PP tech. Maybe supply is low (or they have a stockpile of 6-speed DSG boxes) and PP spec will be the big differentiator purely due to VW wanting to make spending the extra on PP that little bit more enticing.

Yeah, I don't understand why they would do that either. Though it may have to do with cost. I suspect the 7-speed DSG will be a more expensive option. I read somewhere that it may cost 25% more. Like you said, they may want a option which will help sell 6-speed DSG stock.

The standard GTI may appear £1300 to £1500 cheaper, which may appeal to some.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 08 January 2017, 14:28
Daz: Seems weird that VW will only initially allow availability of the new 7-speed DSG on the GTI PP and not the standard GTI - especially as VW market PP pack as an optional extra rather than as a distinct model in its own right, the extra 10ps barely makes a difference to performance (pre-facelift) due to the extra weight of the PP tech. Maybe supply is low (or they have a stockpile of 6-speed DSG boxes) and PP spec will be the big differentiator purely due to VW wanting to make spending the extra on PP that little bit more enticing.

Yeah, I don't understand why they would do that either. Though it may have to do with cost. I suspect the 7-speed DSG will be a more expensive option. I read somewhere that it may cost 25% more. Like you said, they may want a option which will help sell 6-speed DSG stock.

The standard GTI may appear £1300 to £1500 cheaper, which may appeal to some.

Likely the 7 speed DSG will go up in price over the old 6 speed by about the same amount it will save you in showroom tax to dip below the £500 threshold that he manual R will command.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 08 January 2017, 15:14
Likely that makes the 7 speed a PP only optional extra - more money for PP, more money again for 7 speed DSG.

Kerching.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 08 January 2017, 15:39
Likely that makes the 7 speed a PP only optional extra - more money for PP, more money again for 7 speed DSG.

Kerching.

If I were to get another R next time, it would be quite the dilemma as to whether I would get a 7 speed DSG. I strongly dislike DSG, but will there be a real-life worthwhile gap between manual and DSG mpg to make it worth it? Showroom tax savings are more than offset against the box cost itself.

I do love the R I have right now, but if I had to consider another car in a year's time (when my R approaches 3 years old), I find myself oddly drawn to a Polo GTI, the Polo will be getting an MQB update next year, and current GFVs on VW finance illustrations indicate great residuals (about 50% retained after 4 years - much better than the Golf GTI). Hopefully it will have plenty of tech, so you don't have to hammer the options list to make it reasonable.

I'm so used to 300PS and no tramping issues now, I think it would be hard to drop 100PS and unflappable traction  in the Polo, the wife's 116PS A1 TDI is nippy, but still feels massively dull to drive (I thought the same of my GTD until I got the DTUK box).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 08 January 2017, 16:35
I do love the R I have right now, but if I had to consider another car in a year's time (when my R approaches 3 years old), I find myself oddly drawn to a Polo GTI, the Polo will be getting an MQB update next year...
... what about the nextgen Audi S1? Though it might not be available for 2 years.

We had an A1 Sline as a courtesy car for week. We both found it uncomfortable. Can't imagine the S1 or Polo GTI would be any different. Though I do wonder if DCC will be available on the new model MQB A0 platform.

I'll probably be buying a GTI PP this year. I know the Golf R is a better car, but the GTI ticks more boxes for me.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 08 January 2017, 22:05
I do love the R I have right now, but if I had to consider another car in a year's time (when my R approaches 3 years old), I find myself oddly drawn to a Polo GTI, the Polo will be getting an MQB update next year...
... what about the nextgen Audi S1? Though it might not be available for 2 years.

We had an A1 Sline as a courtesy car for week. We both found it uncomfortable. Can't imagine the S1 or Polo GTI would be any different. Though I do wonder if DCC will be available on the new model MQB A0 platform.

I'll probably be buying a GTI PP this year. I know the Golf R is a better car, but the GTI ticks more boxes for me.

The S1 and S-line have bone crunchingly firm suspension, the wife's A1 Sport is a little less firm (one of the reasons I didn't get her an S-line, but they have that same lack of refinement and crashiness that the MK5 and MK6 Golf ride has.

The MQB MK7 is both firm and refined on the performance models, I expect the next gen Polo to catch up on that score when it is out with the MQB "A0" platform. DCC is available on the current Polo GTI, but it is a cheap option (about £240 when I last checked), so i'm assuming it is not as sophisticated as the MK7 Golf's - maybe the same set up as the Scirocco independent axle control, not 4 wheel independent system.

For me the Polo doesn't look girly, but the A1 does a bit (I really wanted the wife to get a Polo GTI rather than an A1) - if we're talking about what would be MY car next time, unless the A1 mans-up a bit, i'd rather have the Polo out of the 2.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 08 January 2017, 22:55
DCC is available on the current Polo GTI, but it is a cheap option (about £240 when I last checked), so i'm assuming it is not as sophisticated as the MK7 Golf's...

For me the Polo doesn't look girly... i'd rather have the Polo out of the 2.
I briefly considered the Polo GTI. The adjustable suspension has only 2 options and the Sport mode is for the track.

The Polo GTI would be a fun car, but not as refined as the Golf. It will be interesting to see what refinements the new model brings.

I'm surprised you like the current Polo as it looks similar in style to the Mk6 Golf - part of the reason why I considered one.

I would have a Polo R if they bring one out. Though I would need it to have proper adjustable suspension - the main reason why I ruled out the Polo GTI.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 09 January 2017, 11:31

I do love the R I have right now, but if I had to consider another car in a year's time (when my R approaches 3 years old), I find myself oddly drawn to a Polo GTI, the Polo will be getting an MQB update next year, and current GFVs on VW finance illustrations indicate great residuals (about 50% retained after 4 years - much better than the Golf GTI). Hopefully it will have plenty of tech, so you don't have to hammer the options list to make it reasonable.

I had a look at the Polo GTI last year and was bitterly disappointed with the standard spec. To get it anywhere near the spec of the standard Golf GTI, it was fast approaching the cost of  the Golf.


The S1 and S-line have bone crunchingly firm suspension, the wife's A1 Sport is a little less firm (one of the reasons I didn't get her an S-line, but they have that same lack of refinement and crashiness that the MK5 and MK6 Golf ride has.


Its very subjective. I had the A1 SLine for 2 years and to be honest found it much the same as my current GTD certainly not bone crushing as you describe it.
Over pot holes it was maybe slightly crashier but on normal uneven roads I felt it was just the same.

I think it all depends what car you are coming from.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 09 January 2017, 11:36
I had a look at the Polo GTI last year and was bitterly disappointed with the standard spec. To get it anywhere near the spec of the standard Golf GTI, it was fast approaching the cost of  the Golf.

I looked at one the other day and you are right.

I also looked at a non-GTD golf bluemotion and by the time I'd added the bells and whistles to that, the GTD was cheaper by quite a bit. Which is weird, but I guess that is what the package is all about.

Hunting around for cars like I am now, you quickly realise what the basic GTD/GTI offers - its a lot more than the competition!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 09 January 2017, 12:53
Hunting around for cars like I am now, you quickly realise what the basic GTD/GTI offers - its a lot more than the competition!


Absolutely.

Due to us already having a GTD, I wanted to get my wife something else. She hates the buying experience and actually doesn't really care what she drives but her only stipulation was heated seats, keyless and Nav.
So I was left to do all the running about to pick a car.
Despite looking at various cars I kept coming back to the GTI as it had the cheapest monthlies by far for the equipment it had.
I'd have been crazy to go elsewhere.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 09 January 2017, 12:59
Hunting around for cars like I am now, you quickly realise what the basic GTD/GTI offers - its a lot more than the competition!
I suspect the facelift performance packages may not include as much.

Those options soon add up. My list of options is over 4k.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 09 January 2017, 13:10
I'd find it hard to understand anyone who's used to a Golf even considering a Polo / A1 sized car (sporty variants or otherwise). They might be a bit of a hoot to drive for a bit (until the novelty wears off) but I'd soon get very tired of the compromised dimensions and general feeling that I'm driving the dealers loaner / my Mum's shopping trolley.

Not that the Golf is a limousine but still...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 09 January 2017, 14:24
The size thing probably would bother me - I've already come down in size to a Golf.

More than that really is that the Polo is a generation behind with switch gear, let alone running gear. I suppose if I was driving a Passat now I'd think the same about the Golf...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 09 January 2017, 14:30
I'd find it hard to understand anyone who's used to a Golf even considering a Polo / A1 sized car (sporty variants or otherwise). They might be a bit of a hoot to drive for a bit (until the novelty wears off) but I'd soon get very tired of the compromised dimensions and general feeling that I'm driving the dealers loaner / my Mum's shopping trolley.

Not that the Golf is a limousine but still...

It depends on your circumstances but agreed I wouldn't want to downsize. I did to the Golf from my A4, partly because of the really tight car park at work but also for my OH who wouldn't drive the Audi as it was too big. Having said that, she hasn't driven the Golf yet either  :rolleyes:

My sister went from a Defender 110 to a Polo!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 09 January 2017, 15:24
The size thing probably would bother me - I've already come down in size to a Golf.

More than that really is that the Polo is a generation behind with switch gear, let alone running gear. I suppose if I was driving a Passat now I'd think the same about the Golf...

Later this year when the new Polo is out, it'll be on MQB underpinnings, so that extra chassis refinement should be there, and it may get some new tech that even the facelift Golf hadn't been granted access to. The wife's A1 doesn't feel small from a driver's perspective (not mine anyway), as long as you're not a 6 footer in the back or wanting to get an Ikea wardrobe in the back with the rear seats down. If your comfort, equipment and power are there in the next Polo GTI, it could be a contender.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 09 January 2017, 15:38
I'd find it hard to understand anyone who's used to a Golf even considering a Polo / A1 sized car (sporty variants or otherwise). They might be a bit of a hoot to drive for a bit (until the novelty wears off) but I'd soon get very tired of the compromised dimensions and general feeling that I'm driving the dealers loaner / my Mum's shopping trolley.

Not that the Golf is a limousine but still...

I've had plenty of loaners and i'd rather have a Polo GTI than the 150TDI Golf Match I normally get. I'm fine with the interior dimensions of the Wife's A1, in the front at least. Rear passengers are a rarity.

The Golf MK7 is a pretty dull drive when you're not burying the throttle on a performance model. That isn't a criticism of the Golf - all cars are going this way as they get more refined and less fun to drive. The GTD bored me without a box on, but did its job admirably as a comfy, frugal, well equipped car (with annoying levels of tramping).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 09 January 2017, 16:13
I think the days of dropping in an over-powered engine into an inadequate chassis and "enjoying" the scrabbly near death experience that only a handful of elite drivers manage to drive hard and live to tell the tale are indeed over and done with.

If that's your fun, then probably you need to do a bit of heavy mechanical upgrades because no corporation is going to field a litigation nightmare like that any more.

And it probably is all about the litigation and less about their desire to make your ride calm and comfortable.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 09 January 2017, 17:01
I'd find it hard to understand anyone who's used to a Golf even considering a Polo / A1 sized car (sporty variants or otherwise). They might be a bit of a hoot to drive...
... I doubt I would get tired of a car that was fun to drive. And the Golf is getting quite big. Some reviews have said that the Polo GTI is closer to the original GTI experience.

My experience is that small cars with big engines are very enjoyable to drive.

Our A3 was bought for comfort and economy, not performance. I love driving our A3, but experience has shown me that I would soon get bored of it.

Experience has also taught me that firm suspension and low profile tyres are not ideal for my local roads.

... this all brings me full circle back to another Golf, in my continuing quest to find the best car for me.

Mk5 1.9 TDI - very comfortable, but boring.
Mk6 GTD - enjoyable to drive, but quite firm - even with adjustable suspension.
Mk7.5 GTI PP with DCC - I'm prepared to accept the loss of economy and some comfort, for the gain in performance.
(then maybe a Mk8 Golf R, but a lot could happen between now and 2020)

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 09 January 2017, 17:50
I think the days of dropping in an over-powered engine into an inadequate chassis and "enjoying" the scrabbly near death experience that only a handful of elite drivers manage to drive hard and live to tell the tale are indeed over and done with.

If that's your fun, then probably you need to do a bit of heavy mechanical upgrades because no corporation is going to field a litigation nightmare like that any more.

And it probably is all about the litigation and less about their desire to make your ride calm and comfortable.
... what are you talking about? :undecided:

Watch the second half of this video - it shows the Polo GTI out braking a Golf GTI by over a car length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiKbFb_lpbA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiKbFb_lpbA)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 09 January 2017, 18:39


Watch the second half of this video - it shows the Polo GTI out braking a Golf GTI by over a car length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiKbFb_lpbA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiKbFb_lpbA)


The golf is a car and half ahead when they both reach the speed they brake at.
When they come to a rest the Golf is still a car and a half ahead.
Not sure how that equates to the Polo out braking the Golf when they are exactly the same  :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 09 January 2017, 20:55
The golf is a car and half ahead when they both reach the speed they brake at.
... is it? I have watched this about 10 times now... at around 1:45 both cars brake, but it is impossible to tell from the angle if they are level or not. However...

In the earlier 0-60 test the Golf GTI was only half a car length ahead. So how did it get so far ahead in the braking test?

Because of the times being displayed it looks like a 60-0 test to me.

At the very end of the test it looks to me like the gap was growing and not remaining the same.

Can anyone translate that language?

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 09 January 2017, 21:52
You're right you can't tell but when they hit the brakes they both slow in a uniform manner so if you let the video run until the first two blocks are coloured red 1:44ish you can see the Golf is a car ahead.
It then finishes about another third ahead but this could be because the Polo starts to brake slightly before the Golf.
If you look between the the cars at 1:43ish you'll see the Polo's nose dip before the Golfs.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 09 January 2017, 22:30
... the Polo starts to brake slightly before the Golf.
... you'll see the Polo's nose dip before the Golfs.
... it is so hard to tell. I even watched it at 1:50 in slow motion and I still can't tell.

I noticed that the 2 countdown timers are both started at exactly the same time.

I also had a look at the info on the video. The Golf GTI has 28PS and 100Nm more, but it also weighs 150Kg (23 1/2 st) more. So the Golf is 12% heavier than the Polo. Which would explain the difference in braking distances.

2 cars - both have sports brakes, both have sports tyres, but one weighs 12% more. Which has the shortest stopping distance?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 09 January 2017, 22:37
I'd find it hard to understand anyone who's used to a Golf even considering a Polo / A1 sized car (sporty variants or otherwise). They might be a bit of a hoot to drive...
... I doubt I would get tired of a car that was fun to drive. And the Golf is getting quite big. Some reviews have said that the Polo GTI is closer to the original GTI experience.

My experience is that small cars with big engines are very enjoyable to drive.

Our A3 was bought for comfort and economy, not performance. I love driving our A3, but experience has shown me that I would soon get bored of it.

Experience has also taught me that firm suspension and low profile tyres are not ideal for my local roads.

... this all brings me full circle back to another Golf, in my continuing quest to find the best car for me.

Mk5 1.9 TDI - very comfortable, but boring.
Mk6 GTD - enjoyable to drive, but quite firm - even with adjustable suspension.
Mk7.5 GTI PP with DCC - I'm prepared to accept the loss of economy and some comfort, for the gain in performance.
(then maybe a Mk8 Golf R, but a lot could happen between now and 2020)

My cousin's Fiesta ST is a very fun drive, but the interior is crap, and the Lupo GTI was a hoot - 125PS in a tiny car that weighed nowt (plenty of Aluminium used) back in 99, I wish i'd bought one rather than ragging my mate's at every opportunity and buying a boring 105PS Polo 1.9TDI myself instead.

My favourite Golf has always been the MK2 - The current Polo is pretty much equivalent to the MK2 in size. All cars are getting pretty bloated now - one of the reasons you have to go looking for the "Sheldon spot" when parked up in town, supermarkets etc. You used to have to be in a big car to get the comfort you'd need on a long journey, that is definitely no longer the case, and I don't do many long (>100 mile) journeys. The Golf is very well equipped compared to the Polo, and as you can see with the S1, by the time you spec it up to the S3, you might as well have bought an S3. I think I could definitely live with a Polo GTI if the next version exceeds the current one.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 09 January 2017, 23:39
My cousin's Fiesta ST is a very fun drive, but the interior is crap, and the Lupo GTI was a hoot - 125PS.

I think I could definitely live with a Polo GTI if the next version exceeds the current one.
Lot of reviewers rave about that Fiesta ST.

I wonder do the Polo GTI and the Fiesta ST have the tramping issues?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 10 January 2017, 07:51
Daz: My cousin's Fiesta doesn't, but it was shod on Conti 5s from the factory and he has Michelin PS3s on it now. With the right tyres on it is hard to induce tramping in the GTD, with the wrong tyres on it is too easy.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 10 January 2017, 08:51
I think the days of dropping in an over-powered engine into an inadequate chassis and "enjoying" the scrabbly near death experience that only a handful of elite drivers manage to drive hard and live to tell the tale are indeed over and done with.

If that's your fun, then probably you need to do a bit of heavy mechanical upgrades because no corporation is going to field a litigation nightmare like that any more.

And it probably is all about the litigation and less about their desire to make your ride calm and comfortable.
... what are you talking about? :undecided:

Watch the second half of this video - it shows the Polo GTI out braking a Golf GTI by over a car length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiKbFb_lpbA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiKbFb_lpbA)

What tyres did the two cars have on I wonder?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 10 January 2017, 09:51
With the right tyres on it is hard to induce tramping in the GTD, with the wrong tyres on it is too easy.


Can't agree with you there Matt.
I changed mine to Michelin thinking it would sort it but it can still be really bad.
I know you had problems with the Bridgestones, did you change them before going over to the R?
One of the reasons I'm jumping to an R is the lack of grip.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 10 January 2017, 13:15
With the right tyres on it is hard to induce tramping in the GTD, with the wrong tyres on it is too easy.


Can't agree with you there Matt.
I changed mine to Michelin thinking it would sort it but it can still be really bad.
I know you had problems with the Bridgestones, did you change them before going over to the R?
One of the reasons I'm jumping to an R is the lack of grip.

The GTD kept its Bridgestones - if i'd changed tyres and it solved the tramping, I doubt i'd have got an R - I was fine with the GTD's output with the DTUK box on. The R will give you off the line traction, which will solve tramping, but if the tyres are crap your on the move grip will still be bad - as it was for my R on Bridgestones, promptinge to get the PSS put on.

Does your GTD tramp without a DTUK box on now you have Michelins (I am right in thinking you have a DTUK box?).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 10 January 2017, 13:55
With regard to the tramping that people are talking about, how hard do you have to takeoff for it to start?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: matchboy on 10 January 2017, 14:05
With regard to the tramping that people are talking about, how hard do you have to takeoff for it to start?

When I had a GTI PP with Bridgestones on, I wouldn't even be pulling away hard and it would tramp.  Also had Bridgestones on my R, didn't have any issues from a standing start but I did notice understeer when pushing hard (which I shouldn't have because I wasn't driving that hard).  All in all, its a sh!te tyre.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 10 January 2017, 14:39
I've got the Bridgestones on my Gti pp and so far they are fine. Granted I haven't done much spirited driving yet so we'll see what happens when I'm past 750-1000 miles.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 10 January 2017, 15:32
The first time I attempted a fast getaway at the lights I made a complete arse of myself :embarrassed:
The road was damp but it wasn't raining. I tried to out accelerate a sh!tty little Renault that wanted to race for some reason.
I put my foot down but F all happened apart from an enormous amount of wheel spin and a pair of tail lights disappearing into the distance :sad:
I've defended the Bridgestones  in the past, but that was before this embarrassing spectacle occurred.
I will be changing them (if they ever wear out) :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 10 January 2017, 15:43
They'll wear out about 2 month before you decide to change the car, having lived with them 3 years and wishing you'd changed them sooner. :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 10 January 2017, 16:24
The GTD kept its Bridgestones - if i'd changed tyres and it solved the tramping, I doubt i'd have got an R - I was fine with the GTD's output with the DTUK box on. The R will give you off the line traction, which will solve tramping, but if the tyres are crap your on the move grip will still be bad - as it was for my R on Bridgestones, promptinge to get the PSS put on.

Does your GTD tramp without a DTUK box on now you have Michelins (I am right in thinking you have a DTUK box?).

Yeah I have the DTUK box and it tramps but it also tramps without the box.

It always does it when I am trying to move into a space on a busy roundabout. It can be quite dangerous at times. The Michelins did help but didn't completely cure it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 January 2017, 12:05
VW are claiming that the new 7-speed DSG will make the facelift GTD slightly more fuel efficient and use less CO2.

Lets hope they are telling the truth and these figures will be achievable in the real world.

For those that are interested in performance - torque remains at 380Nm, 0-62 changes from 7.5 to 7.4 (I doubt if that will be noticable :rolleyes: )

On the left are the old figures and on the right are the new figures. The 06 addendum are for the standardised EU figures -

... it may be hard to read those figures off the screen shot

Urban -           old 5.7, new 5.4 = 50mpg up to 52mpg
Extra- urban - old 4.4, new 4.2 = 64mpg up to 67mpg
Combined -     old 4.8, new 4.6 = 59mpg up to 61mpg

C02 - old 127, new 122

Not much change but VW are saying these figures should be more achievable in the real world.

(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/dazauto2/GTD_zps4sdc9o17.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 January 2017, 13:03
I was just comparing the fuel figures for the facelift GTD and the Golf R. VW claim the DSG Golf R is more economical than the manual. However, the manual GTD is still more economical than the new 7-speed DSG.  :huh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 14 January 2017, 17:09
Motor 1.com in its latest article of Vienna Motor Show has probably 1st seen picture of new facelifted GTD in Indium Grey I presume. Sorry I can't fathom out how to get a photo of it on here.  Another techy may be able to do it though?  I'm a Carbon Grey fan - but as that's discontinued then Indium Grey it may have to be when I order.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: TonyJ on 14 January 2017, 18:00
All the dealers are telling me that it is no longer possible to order a Golf pending the facelifted version being available.

Has anyone been told any dates when the order books are open again?  I've been told, pretty vaguely, sometime in February.

I'm wanting to order a GTD ... missed the boat on ordering a pre-facelift version .... hopefully the personal lease costs are not too much higher with the facelifted version .

Any idea why there is such a gap before orders can be placed? The German website has all the models on now, so presumably you can order a facelifted version in Germany? It just seems like VW are potentially losing business. Why not open the order book, but have a longer lead time if necessary?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jjgreenwood on 14 January 2017, 18:11
All the dealers are telling me that it is no longer possible to order a Golf pending the facelifted version being available.

Has anyone been told any dates when the order books are open again?  I've been told, pretty vaguely, sometime in February.

I'm wanting to order a GTD ... missed the boat on ordering a pre-facelift version .... hopefully the personal lease costs are not too much higher with the facelifted version .

Any idea why there is such a gap before orders can be placed? The German website has all the models on now, so presumably you can order a facelifted version in Germany? It just seems like VW are potentially losing business. Why not open the order book, but have a longer lead time if necessary?

Cos they need to sell off old Golf first
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 14 January 2017, 20:08
All the dealers are telling me that it is no longer possible to order a Golf pending the facelifted version being available.

Has anyone been told any dates when the order books are open again?  I've been told, pretty vaguely, sometime in February.

I'm wanting to order a GTD ... missed the boat on ordering a pre-facelift version .... hopefully the personal lease costs are not too much higher with the facelifted version .

Any idea why there is such a gap before orders can be placed? The German website has all the models on now, so presumably you can order a facelifted version in Germany? It just seems like VW are potentially losing business. Why not open the order book, but have a longer lead time if necessary?

Cos they need to sell off old Golf first

There are a fair few lease deals on 5 door GTD's out there so they may still have stock.
I have been looking for a deal on an R but not having much luck.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jjgreenwood on 14 January 2017, 21:19
They flying out at current discounts so it won't be long before the stocks are emptied.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 15 January 2017, 08:19
Will the front and rear lights from the face lift be able to be retro fitted to the non face lift model?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 15 January 2017, 09:19
The rears maybe... as they are just a another set of LED units with a different design. So I'd hazard a guess that those would be plug and play.

The fronts - definitely not, or certainly not straightforward  - you'd be going from xenons to LED and god knows how many differences there are in the connecting looms in that case.

Both front and rear would cost you a small fortune in any case. Easier to trade the car in.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 15 January 2017, 09:47
Will the front and rear lights from the face lift be able to be retro fitted to the non face lift model?

Have the body panels changed at all i.e. cutouts around the headlights, or are the headlight housings any different in shape or size?

If not, then there's a chance they're a straight swap, if the controllers in the old Golf are the same as those in the facelift.

We won't know until someone tries it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 15 January 2017, 10:16
Body panels haven't changed at all afaik.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 15 January 2017, 10:45
Body panels haven't changed at all afaik.

Front wings have changed, according to the information on VW's website (3rd paragraph in the link below);

'The modifications include new bumpers at the front and rear, new halogen headlights with LED daytime running lights, new full LED headlights instead of xenon headlights, new front wings, new full LED tail lights'

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/768/the-launch-of-the-new-golf-for-2017
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 15 January 2017, 10:51
Body panels haven't changed at all afaik.

Front wings have changed, according to the information on VW's website (3rd paragraph in the link below);

'The modifications include new bumpers at the front and rear, new halogen headlights with LED daytime running lights, new full LED headlights instead of xenon headlights, new front wings, new full LED tail lights'

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/768/the-launch-of-the-new-golf-for-2017

They do look identical to me as do the shape of the headlights. The above could be a combination of marketing blurb and poor German-English translation...

I guess we won't know for sure until we see a FL in the metal, but yeah it'll only takes a slight difference to make any retrofitting impossible.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: cosmos on 15 January 2017, 11:48
Motor 1.com in its latest article of Vienna Motor Show has probably 1st seen picture of new facelifted GTD in Indium Grey I presume. Sorry I can't fathom out how to get a photo of it on here.  Another techy may be able to do it though?  I'm a Carbon Grey fan - but as that's discontinued then Indium Grey it may have to be when I order.

(http://icdn-1.motor1.com/images/mgl/AqMJL/s3/2017-vw-golf-gtd-facelift.jpg)

Not a big fan of any of the new wheel styles on any of these but like some of these new paint colours.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 15 January 2017, 12:22
That's a bit battleship grey isn't it. Very dark. I've seen Indium grey in the metal on Passats/Tiguans and I didn't think it was as dreary as that.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 15 January 2017, 13:07
That does look a bit dark for Indium but it might just be the lighting or camera setting/filter?

Then again it's not unknown for VW to display a car at a show that's not on the standard palette.

I have to agree that the new styles of alloys are a bit fussy. Such a shame they've discontinued the Nogaros which were a very elegant design and somehow just looked right on a mk7 Golf.

The Brescias have really grown on me. I didn't like them at first but now they'd be the first option I'd tick.

I like the LED headlights but the bumper design has got a bit overly fussy too.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 15 January 2017, 16:47
Any news when the GTD can be ordered in the UK ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 16 January 2017, 13:38
Any news when the GTD can be ordered in the UK ?
... the short answer is, no.

Educated guess... the order books are expected to open at the beginning of February. However, the performance models may not be available immediately. For example the GTD did not appear on the German configurator until 1 month after the facelift appeared. And I still don't see the GTI PP.

Though maybe they will have all the variations available on the UK configurator at the beginning, because all the decisions have already been made for the German site.

Then we can start speculating on delivery times. :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 16 January 2017, 20:46
Looks like I will need to look elsewhere then.

My current GTD's pcp is up beginning of May, so need to get a move on.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 16 January 2017, 21:37
Looks like I will need to look elsewhere then.

My current GTD's pcp is up beginning of May, so need to get a move on.
I was told that first deliveries are expected April/May time. However, delivery times for the performance models are likely to be longer. Check with your dealer at the beginning of February.

We are discussing a summer holiday. I said we could do a road trip in my new car (Golf GTI?). My wife just said, "you're never going to have it by then!" I hope she is wrong, but know she could be right. :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 16 January 2017, 22:25
We are discussing a summer holiday. I said we could do a road trip in my new car (Golf GTI?). My wife just said, "you're never going to have it by then!" I hope she is wrong, but know she could be right. :undecided:


Are wife's ever wrong?  :undecided: :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 January 2017, 23:48
I'm still undecided about the red stripes in the front lights and those rear indicators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63wLYgfzvJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63wLYgfzvJs)

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 18 January 2017, 07:41
I'm still undecided about the red stripes in the front lights and those rear indicators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63wLYgfzvJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63wLYgfzvJs)

What the hell did he video that with, a bit square.

Not sure about the red strips in the light myself but the indicators are a nice touch. Still prefer the current R indicators though.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: cosmos on 18 January 2017, 17:19
Ah, so they've put in a smarter foot rest now other than the current plastic one?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 18 January 2017, 17:36
Ah, so they've put in a smarter foot rest now other than the current plastic one?

LHD cars have always had the nice metal one.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 21 January 2017, 15:03
Are wife's ever wrong?  :undecided: :laugh:
... frequently, but she'll never admit it :whistle:

Unfortunately, it looks like she might be right, especially about the performance pack.

Found this comment on a German forum -

"I just asked again by live chat about the exact order date and received the following statement:

'Good afternoon. No, I can not give you a more detailed date. We only have the information that the Golf GTI "Performance" should appear in the second quarter of 2017.' "

It was difficult to follow the translation, but other people seem to be saying that the PP will not be available until week 9. There appears to be some speculation that it may be because of the 7-speed DSG.

So those of us in the UK wanting a PP are going to have to wait a few months longer.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 22 January 2017, 12:22
Here is a video of a facelift Golf in black(?). It is supposed to be the GTI performance pack, but I can't see red brake callipers and are the front and back badges supposed to be red on the PP?

First 3 minutes are new footage -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYUUXi27cU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYUUXi27cU)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 22 January 2017, 19:52
The new lights front and back are very very cool. Love the front LEDs doubling up as the indicators.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 23 January 2017, 22:20
Love the lights, front and back look super slick, can't wait to see the R
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 24 January 2017, 10:09
Hmmm the MIB3 unit appears to have lost the rotary inputs, now its buttons on the left (I assume that RHD models won't get a RHD version of the MIB3...). You've also lost all of the hardware buttons for nav/media/phone.

That's retrograde IMHO.

I bloody hate touchscreen nested menus, it takes your eyes off of the road! It's cost saving over driver safety.

The digital dash looks quite good though and I do really like the new lights front and rear.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 24 January 2017, 11:29
Fred, maybe there will be more steering wheel button functionality. I'm with you on the touchscreen thing - OK stood still, but I find it hard to make precise inputs, on the move, and it does take your attention fro the road. This sort of thing should be progressing in a safer, easier to use, direction.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 24 January 2017, 14:10
After watching the latest video link posted on this forum of the black GTI.  I am still not sure about the red stripe around the DRL lights on the headlights of the GTI Mk7.5 .  It looks a bit fussy and overkill to me.  I much prefer the cleaner lines of the current MK7 GTI red stripe.   :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 24 January 2017, 15:37
Really don't like the rear indicators or the wheels. Everything else looks different but not necessarily better :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 24 January 2017, 16:36
Rear lights (the red bits) look a lot like the current Passat actually. I love the Audi-style indicator sweep. I know some people don't though.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 24 January 2017, 16:46
I don't see the point in them, and when I'm stuck behind a new A4, they really bug   :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 24 January 2017, 16:52
I don't see the point in them, and when I'm stuck behind a new A4, they really bug   :sad:

You won't see them from the driver's seat  :cool:

There's no great point to them I guess... but anything that draws your attention to warning lights is a good thing. Compare the rear end of our cars at night with that of a MK4 or even a MK5 Golf. Fog lights have almost become redundant as the standard LED's are so bright and clear even in the worst conditions.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 30 January 2017, 09:58
Apparently the GTI PP appeared on the Czech website a week ago...

http://cc.porscheinformatik.com/cc-cz/cs_CZ_VW/V/auv/130 (http://cc.porscheinformatik.com/cc-cz/cs_CZ_VW/V/auv/130)

My translation from a German forum said the DSG had a Co2 of 160g/km. The current DSG has a Co2 of 145g/km.  :undecided:

With the current exchange rate the GTI PP is £1,675 more.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 30 January 2017, 10:24
There are some weird things going on with the CO2 figures.

For example, I thought there used to be a difference on a GTI between 3 door and 5 door emissions figures? (certainly there were for the GTD)

And then, according to the current pre-FL VW UK configurator, a GTI is   148g/km for manual and 145 for DSG but if you add the extra weight and power of the PP it GOES DOWN to 139 for manual and up to 149 for DSG.

That makes no sense!

Well, I guess you can always say "yeah I added some more power to be greener" if you have a manual ;-)

But surely 7 speed DSG is supposed to decrease emissions.... not increase them!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: brown.jamesa on 30 January 2017, 21:03
Apparently the GTI PP appeared on the Czech website a week ago...

http://cc.porscheinformatik.com/cc-cz/cs_CZ_VW/V/auv/130 (http://cc.porscheinformatik.com/cc-cz/cs_CZ_VW/V/auv/130)

My translation from a German forum said the DSG had a Co2 of 160g/km. The current DSG has a Co2 of 145g/km.  :undecided:

With the current exchange rate the GTI PP is £1,675 more.

It also shows the GTI PP come bundled with the digital dash + 7 Speed DSG, which when looking at the German site, its only a 6 speed DSG with an option to add the digital dash??  Wonder what the UK spec will be?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 31 January 2017, 07:30
UK spec could be anything! Ok, so so far they have gone with a pretty high base spec, but they might not.

Digital dash is a long term money saver for VAG, so they might be keen to push that tech as fast as possible though.

I'd like to see digi dash and sweepy indicators as standard :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 31 January 2017, 07:45
I would be disappointed if they give a lower spec than the current GTI, GTD and R have now. I think read somewhere that sweeping indicators were going to be on the performance golfs.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 01 February 2017, 08:33
Do someone plan to order the new GTI?. :smiley:

I will order probably in this spec. In Sweden the PP, will be realy nice from start, with Activ display and some more..

http://app.volkswagen.se/ihdcc/sv/configurator.html#summary/30315/34026/BQ19VE$GPDAPDA$GPF3PF3$GPH2PH2$GPLAPLA$MSNRS36$GWW1WW1$GW4BW4B/2017/0/F14 H7H7/F56     TW/GPJFPJF,GPXAPXA,GW14W14,GW17W17,GWL4WL4,MAHV1D4,MASE6XQ,MASGEA3,MEPH7X2,MINDFC1,MKSUKA1,MNES8WH,MSSH4KF,MWSS4GW/+/+ (http://app.volkswagen.se/ihdcc/sv/configurator.html#summary/30315/34026/BQ19VE$GPDAPDA$GPF3PF3$GPH2PH2$GPLAPLA$MSNRS36$GWW1WW1$GW4BW4B/2017/0/F14 H7H7/F56     TW/GPJFPJF,GPXAPXA,GW14W14,GW17W17,GWL4WL4,MAHV1D4,MASE6XQ,MASGEA3,MEPH7X2,MINDFC1,MKSUKA1,MNES8WH,MSSH4KF,MWSS4GW/+/+)


How do you post pictures in the forum?  :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 09:43
Do someone plan to order the new GTI?. :smiley:

I will order probably in this spec. In Sweden the PP, will be realy nice from start, with Activ display and some more..

How do you post pictures in the forum?  :sad:
The GTI PP is top of my list.

It is strange that the Swedish website does not have the standard GTI. Also, the GTI PP does not appear to have the new LED lights and there are no options to change the seats.

I don't believe there is a way of posting pictures directly to this website. The has to be on the internet or a site like photobucket. Then it can be inserted as an image.

Below are links to the VW configurator photos.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 09:52
The new 'Milton Keynes' alloys mounted both ways :laugh:

(http://media.volkswagen.com/Render/iris?COSY-EU-100-1713VV%25lXm0kYNazzSU9mu0fO7AVFyyJ1vTvsd2MZppEKhjTtKSK8Cq71MM8H2Lvyr0Q%25UOqggAa5hP4KYwqeQeOOnabyyJ8H3WDZ4HvCJii8pFiYoo0gZrnZlO4fBI4CY2aaBjUCCbpNHEhYYpQhmqbJvBMdLfhh%25X5528usro6zeIIrskh8A%25xETYzDDxs4A1eHGP00hu6ix2kMJ33e75QhGua99QVmEi2kkD%25t7HzV5ToFlrQQ6CH4IZwIFC0FVbtTU0kYb9hXTdwZ3QGs7deG7PP7tGmEiG%25FppGpldwwJu5V77l7lCCCE8LYRRVz0errXyN966tpD8NN5eeTqq9nbeAAZ5Z2SSi0KpeefEi4oo2r1g%25%25nTeEDDupc%25aa0yug11FA0P88xSRMjjBwoKyyTuo0mmW%253appGD3BwwJ5AL77l9mXCCEnJYRRV4RmrrXkmJ66tTqENN5NvEqq9n9WAAZf6dSSiSDseefeA4oo2M6g%25%25nXNZDDubb6aa0xAB11FS0T88xO03jjBfeuyyT0V2mmWD8MppGTvxwwJtwD77l8lXCCEFc1RRVqhQrrXkk866t2M6NN5wF4qq9orfAAZkaXSSiK2seefsgkoo2Kfg%25%25nOSUDDuTwcaa0qIs11FGYh88xzUkjjBwxTyyTcGJmmW4MvppGu8vwwJIf877lL1rCCEjHxRRVhlOrrXmRP66t62yNN5xwgqq9aefAAZCHHSSiRWreefa%256oo2X2g%25%25nTstDDuPgAaa0A7s11FNkh88x8tkjjBoavyyT%258OmmWGJMppGTtEwwJU5L77l4qxCCEQOuRRViRGrrXt3966tmriNN5WCiqq9MBgAAZD8QSSiKDreefaGVoo26do%25%25nTTqDDuPwkaa0dbV11Fpdx88xITojjBd4%25yyTyG2mmWVCdppGsTvwwJwXL77l4JnCCECmvRRVuRUrrXgkp66tpSZNN5wKmqq9GMNAAZ7TdSSiKTseefbK5oo2YuK%25%25nXdUDDuv83aa0qQf11FAjd88xSDUjjBEhHyyTPirmmWsTlppGtyvwwJUpb77l0mECCEcm1RRViVO)

(http://media.volkswagen.com/Render/iris?COSY-EU-100-1713VV%25lXm0kYNazzSU9mu0fO7AVFyyJ1vTvsd2MZppEKhjTtKSK8Cq71MM8H2Lvyr0Q%25UOyggAa5hP4KYwqeQeOOnabyyJ8H3WDZ4HvCJii8pFiYoo0gZrnZlO4fBI4CY2aaBjUCCbpNHEhYYpQhmqbJvBMdLfhh%25X5528usro6zeIIrskh8A%25xETYzDDxs4A1eHaq00hu6ix2kFZ33e75Qh5nPP7LTvsQSSn2YJe6LOhfzMV77XleRwdGwzlgzL1YhCgS81PAbhmGdN7HpJmiHJyyJYHTvsH2zWWHWMmGGK4OLJJMJMlllvFa8EEL6giVVbBtPXXYWnFttOiih55PU1i99dOdQZZsgoWiiIvsRffQV0r22Uhivnn4Wq2uugB4r00z9gyFF3ZE%25xxcGfoBBh4fgTTk2NuWWHnNcGGKO9aJJMPTbllvUK8EELRETVVbSTKXXYh5vttOtDv55PUPk99dIXmZZsZnpiiIi9RffQ%25Xr22Ubtdnn411Xuug39c00zZghFF3jgNxxcIi4BBhgLQTTknF%25WWHhD3GGKYGnJJMFMbllvzq0EEL5A7VVbSSFXXYQ%25XttOGzR55PfVI99dSubZZsoQpiiIprSffQoIr22UjZCnn4hGquug5wp00zH8AFF36CSxxcG3hBBhqHKTTkR%25DWWH4FDGGKwIFJJMa0Vllvxe3EELAMjVVbTEyXXYXQBttO3Gr55PuiI99dleeZZsEkViiIu2XffQbQr22UhpYnn4yr9uug9Jp00ztSAFF3FYSxxcfuDBBh2FjTTkHK%25WWHhYvGGKCOaJJMR53llv7j4EELsEHVVbYNPXXYTVsttOkls55P%25cr99dnF7ZZsonViiIuHLffQXmf22Uhh5nn4yGSuugm1L00zWm3FF3whfxxcmR2BBhBHQTTkLlmWWHphDGGKGbaJJMRKUllvlTDEEL4ECVVbrSWXXYWZdttOGoT55PH%25t99dJhmZZsohpiiI1oOffQ84o22UbmCnn4DFNuug57I00z9xmFF3ZnCxxcvAeBBhysVTTkphMWWHYBDGGKCW1JJMgTvllvqT0EELsLj)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 10:05
LED lights -
(http://media.volkswagen.com/Render/iris?COSY-EU-100-1713VV%25lXm0kYNazzSU9mu0fO7AVFyyJ1vTvsd2MZppEKhjTtKSK8Cq71MM8H2Lvyr0Q%25UOaggAa5hP4KYwqeQeOOnabyyJ8H3WDZ4HvCJii8pFiYoo0gZrnZlO4fBI4CY20%25jIm00hBREE8G5oLSjjGCSW98MahDp1QSSnYPPUxgwX2tNf77XweSxZncLkjNuucwrZFfoZXzzSgtIcUeIOqqflPCSA2TddCbWLIUeeunOloNbPk23vXCCtEor7sJ73Ez3b8OkRzej8dSYkpJsqCKwlpfKlmmlOKWLIKn3GGKGvpJJMgPbllvlvEEELx1jVVbNzfXXYT5dttOGux55Pffk99d48fZZsPsUiiIz%25GffQLIr22UXF6nn4kfLuugGAn00zTg6FF3ZzmxxciVDBBhJ2%25TTkg2zWWHnq0GGKuqhJJMPZ1llvdWYEEL4MjVVbrVWXXYeWMttOk9L55P5aL99d4dHZZsQtpiiIiuwffQfZr22UDt6nn4Y5suug88t00zcZhFF3izkxxcyzqBBhQfgTTkzbUWWHuxDGGKkacJJMOJullvxvYEEL3AFVVb9SCXXYeexttOUDt55PJ3r99d2XQZZse0YiiI%25UwffQw6e22U%25Q6nn4yiRuugkJA00z97wFF3KjSxxcNReBBhJckTTkAKMWWHrDaGGKgxaJJM7Qxllv1FXEELBocVVbSvyXXYWVmttOtUT55PcJ699d0fQZZsEooiiIVHXffQ0nt22UYU6nn4kwOuugm6Z00zZlwFF35eSxxcxOeBBh20aTTknxyWWHKMDGGKkOLJJMRP1llvr9cEELCygVVbIVKXXYOqdttOWXI55PHEI99dDh6ZZsuxCiiI%25uXffQ0Kb22Utp2nn4kk9uugmJe00zp8bFF3GtDxxc7k2BBhprnTTkTKUWWHbEpGGKwkaJJMJY1llvrM4EELEWaVVbgVRXXY6eGttOGis55PJ%25W99dKD5ZZslkpiiI%25kwffQ8%25P22UamNnn4YpRuugaxq00z9CQFF3ZBpxxciuRBBhLSoTTkmIXWWHwkvGGKOTaJJMRG8llvzWLEELAWFVVbIbyXXY3uTCG)

Standard lights -
(http://media.volkswagen.com/Render/iris?COSY-EU-100-1713VV%25lXm0kYNazzSU9mu0fO7AXFyyJ1vTvsd2MZppEKhjTtKSK8Cq71MM8H2Lvyr0Q%25UOaggAa5hP4KYwqeQeOOnabyyJ8H3WDZ4HvCJii8pFiYoo0gZrnZlO4fBI4CY20%25jIm00hBREE8G5oLSjjGCSW98MahDp1QSSnYPPUxgwX2tNf77XweSxZncLkjNuucwrZFfoZXzzSgtIcUeIOqqflPCSA2TddCbWLIUeeunOloNbPk23vXCCtEor7sJ73Ez3b8OkRzej8dSYkpJsqCKwlpfKlmmlOKWLIKn3GGKGvpJJMgPbllvFa8EEL6giVVbBtPXXYWnFttOiiK55PU1i99dOdQZZsgoWiiIvsRffQV0r22UhiSnn4Wq2uugB4t00z9g1FF3Zh8xxcGfoBBhf6KTTk263WWHY5DGGKOBLJJMQHqllvClBEELABHVVbc4rXXYX%25MttOQOh55PsVy99d927ZZsZ5piiIoklffQLXP22UaaVnn4z53uug94Z00z846FF3sZUxxc4Q5BBh20MTTkc%25sWWHbW2GGK0KLJJMgNullvtqwEELAA0VVbIoVXXYWgqttOiEs55PAnL99deIMZZsmRAiiIesRffQ89722UcWNnn4tpmuugk1q00zr7AFF3WzcxxcNkeBBhCo%25TTkU0%25WWHps0GGKDuEJJMFSzllvqK8EELBljVVbVIxXXYzWRttOnZs55PJS999dlhQZZsnfViiILIRffQcmz22UjR5nn45GmuugXLt00z0bAFF3in%25xxcf04BBhkHoTTkcbMWWH7YDGGKCtzJJMw88llvdlkEELb6OVVbBEdXXYhJdttOo3R55P20w99de2EZZsnkviiIVyGffQcct22UjWAnn4yavuugTVo00zpciFF3yCfxxcxkIBBhvJyTTkmc%25WWHWLDGGKCHQJJMJB%25llvUl7EELRATVVbT9PXXYWekttOkoX55PGcy99decmZZsaeYiiI%25jrffQLy722U%2506nn4twsuug5Fy00z926FF3MqSxxcjdEBBhmcKTTkbtCWWH7TaGGK4BMJJMNBullvdv8EELg2xwT)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 01 February 2017, 10:19
How do you post these pictures?

I want to show my spec for the MK7,5 ;)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 01 February 2017, 10:22
Do someone plan to order the new GTI?. :smiley:

I will order probably in this spec. In Sweden the PP, will be realy nice from start, with Activ display and some more..

How do you post pictures in the forum?  :sad:
The GTI PP is top of my list.

It is strange that the Swedish website does not have the standard GTI. Also, the GTI PP does not appear to have the new LED lights and there are no options to change the seats.

I don't believe there is a way of posting pictures directly to this website. The has to be on the internet or a site like photobucket. Then it can be inserted as an image.

Below are links to the VW configurator photos.

In Sweden VW only sell the PP ;). That has been so since the first MK7..

The GTI have LED light stanard now, but the flowting indicators are 300£ option.

I will order special seats, they are in en konfig. Realy nice 700£ extra..
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 01 February 2017, 10:23
How do you post these pictures?

I want to show my spec for the MK7,5 ;)

You need to set up an account with someone like photobucket and then use the link to post
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 01 February 2017, 10:23
What are the "standard" lights? Halogens? Xenons?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 01 February 2017, 10:24
Who knows, but I suspect halogens.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 10:25
I would be disappointed if they give a lower spec than the current GTI, GTD and R have now. I think read somewhere that sweeping indicators were going to be on the performance golfs.
The facelift A3 has more as standard, but the price increased. However, I don't think VW will go that route with the Golf.

They usually make a bid deal of how the new car is roughly the same price as the old car. I suspect - due to the fall of the Pound against the Euro - that the basic cars may not be as well specified.

Though, VW UK will want to attract people to buy the facelift model. It is a dilemma - too low a spec and it makes second hand models and other manufacturers look much better value.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 01 February 2017, 10:32
What are the "standard" lights? Halogens? Xenons?

Halogens in Sweden is standard.

But you have a nice Option pack. With LED and some more nice stuff för around 1000Euro.

That will i order and the most people i think.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 10:35
How do you post these pictures?

I want to show my spec for the MK7,5 ;)

You need to set up an account with someone like photobucket and then use the link to post
You only need photobucket for your own photos. The pictures I posted are from the VW websites configurators.

- 'Right click' on the website image.
- Click on 'Properties'
- Copy the entire Address URL (hold left mouse button to highlight, then right click and copy)
- Click on the Insert Image icon on the forum 'Post Reply' window.
- '[img[/img]' will appear.
- Paste the Address URL into the middle of that text.
- Preview and Post
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 10:58
In Sweden VW only sell the PP ;). That has been so since the first MK7..

The GTI have LED light stanard now, but the flowting indicators are 300£ option.

I will order special seats, they are in en konfig. Realy nice 700£ extra..

This is the only option I see in the Swedish configurator -
(http://media.volkswagen.com/Render/iris?COSY-EU-100-1713VV%25lXm0kYNazzSU9mu0fO7AXFyyJ1vTvsd2MZppEKhjTtKSK8Cq71MM8H2Lvyr0Q%25Uk5ggAa5hP4KYwqeQeOOnabyyJKFoWFZ4H4%25QIPPlDdQXKK1LisslO4GuFEEOZFYglmG1WtJAFFkCrrSvo5Qhc7W99Q5xFvzkaw1YtHHaD5CK3X9W%25xE6UUNRKgQi7QxRFxXY5W4FHOYZktWs7icUJICsoJCddC5JpVfn3HwwJtAb77lG9XCCEb86RRV4FerrXodR66te8UNN5NZzqq9cMCAAZvfRSSiL9UeefexCoo2BBN)

The German configurator has 2 more options -
(http://media.volkswagen.com/Render/iris?COSY-EU-100-1713VV%25lXm0kYNazzSU9mu0fO7AVFyyJ1vTvsd2MZppEKhjTtKSK8Cq71MM8H2Lvyr0Q%25Uk5ggAa5hP4KYwqeQeOOnabyyJKFoWFZ4H4%25QIPPlDdQXKK1LisslO4GuFEEOZFYglmG1WtJAFFkCrrSvo5Qhc7W99Q5xFvzkaw1YtHHaD5CK3X9W%25xE6UUNRKgQi7QxRFxXY5W4FHOYZktWs7icUJICsoJCddC5JpVfn3EwwJtAb77l3GhCCEJZtRRVYjNrrXgxo66t%25srNN5NZzqq9cMCAAZvfRSSiSF7eefxx6oo28bn) (http://media.volkswagen.com/Render/iris?COSY-EU-100-1713VV%25lXm0kYNazzSU9mu0fO7AVFyyJ1vTvsd2MZppEKhjTtKSK8Cq71MM8H2Lvyr0Q%25Uk5ggAa5hP4KYwqeQeOOnabyyJKFoWFZ4H4%25QIPPlDdQXKK1LisslO4GuFEEOZFYglmG1WtJAFFkCrrSvo5Qhc7W99Q5xFvzkaw1YtHHaD5CK3X9W%25xE6UUNRKgQi7QxRFxXY5W4FHOYZktWs7icUJICsoJCddC5JpVfn3EwwJtAb77l3GhCCEJZtRRVYjNrrXgxo66t%25srNN5NZzqq9cMCAAZvfRSSiSF7eef1Hgoo2BBN)

 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 01 February 2017, 11:23
I see!, thats wrong i the konfigurator.

If you look at "tillval"  "klädsel i Tyg/ Art Velour. You vill have the seats in the middle of your pictures.

I will have them for option.

Se Youtube.

https://youtu.be/aq2eCk9jLFg?t=757

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jv on 01 February 2017, 11:38
Press release fun:


The updated Volkswagen Golf opens for order in the UK from tomorrow (2 February) with the option of all-new engines, more technology, improved connectivity and revised styling for an average of £650 less (RRP OTR) than the outgoing car.

Retaining the former starting price of just £17,625 (RRP OTR) for the entry-level updated Golf S 1.0 TSI 85 PS three-door1 the new Golf is driving even more value, style and desirability into what is aptly named by many the ‘Golf class’.

Emerging from Volkswagen factories around the globe at an average pace of one every 40 seconds for the last 43 years, the brand’s family favourite arrives in UK showrooms towards the end of March but order books are already opening for the eagerly awaited updated version of the most popular European car to date.

With global sales now well in excess of 33 million since its launch more than four decades ago (1974), more than two million of which are to UK buyers, the updated version of the seventh generation Golf is once again redefining its market segment by bringing ‘big car’ technology to the compact family car class.

Democratising quality and value is a longstanding Volkswagen tenet and it is enthusiastically employed in the updated Golf. Now standard across the range are LED rear lights, for instance, while the majority of models across the Golf hatchback and Estate line-up are also now offered with a new generation of larger and more sophisticated touchscreen infotainment systems.   

Indeed, the new Golf sparkles with technical innovations. So, for the first time in the compact class and depending on model, the new Discover Navigation Pro radio-navigation and online system can be operated via gesture control. Sporting a 9.2-inch screen, the system complements the Active Info Display that is also new in the Golf and appears as standard on all Performance Golfs. Meanwhile, the range of online services and apps has also been enlarged.

The UK line-up retains a familiar feel, beginning in the hatchback range with S and rising through SE, SE Nav, GT, R-Line, GTE, GTE Advance, e-Golf, GTD and GTD BlueLine to GTI, GTI Performance and, ultimately, R.

The estate family offers generous choice, too, with S, SE, SE Nav, GT and GTD and GTD BlueLine models being joined by Alltrack and R.

The forthcoming car also creates a new benchmark for assistance systems in the compact class, employing technologies that will significantly improve safety. Depending on model, these include: City Emergency Braking with new pedestrian monitoring (Front Assist); a new Traffic Jam Assist that offers semi-automated driving at speeds of up to 37 mph (60 km/h); and Emergency Assist which is also new to this segment.  Emergency Assist notices if the driver is incapacitated and initiates various measures to rouse them in escalating stages culminating, if the driver remains inactive, in carrying out an emergency stop.

Debut for 1.5 TSI Evo engine

The progressive digitisation of Golf is supported by the debut of highly efficient engines. Even the new base petrol engine – the turbocharged direct-injection 1.0 TSI with 85 PS – impresses with fuel consumption of 58.9 mpg* (combined).

The new Golf sees the debut of the turbocharged petrol 1.5 TSI Evo powerplant – a new four-cylinder engine that generates 150 PS and features Active Cylinder Management (ACT). This is accompanied by a BlueMotion version producing 130 PS and featuring a complete engine shut-down function (as in the hybrid Golf GTE). Meanwhile, Volkswagen has strengthened the appeal of the iconic Golf GTI; it now develops 230 PS, or 245 PS in GTI Performance guise. The range-topping Golf R gets more power than ever before, too, now boasting a peak output of 310 PS: enough to carry it from rest to 62 mph in as little as 4.6 seconds.

A new 7-speed DSG (dual-clutch gearbox) also helps to deliver CO2 figures that have in some cases been improved by up to 10 g/km. All Golfs also feature BlueMotion Technologies such as a stop-start system and a mode for storing braking energy (regenerative braking).   

Design modifications include new bumpers front and rear, new halogen headlights with LED daytime running lights or full LED headlights – standard in higher specification cars and optional in other models – instead of xenon headlights; new front wings; and, as mentioned, new full LED rear lights as standard for all Golf versions.

New wheel designs and body colours round out the exterior update, while new trim panels and materials also upgrade the interior of the Golf.

Welcoming the imminent showroom arrival of the brand’s best-seller in the UK – last year the Golf accounted for one in three new Volkswagens sold here with almost 73,000 registered – the Director of Volkswagen in the UK, Alison Jones, said: “The arrival of a new or updated Golf is always a special occasion but, in 2017, the debut of this car with its semi-autonomous operation; revised styling; new engines; and exceptional new infotainment systems really does feel extra-special.

“The updated Golf will, I’m sure, retain its place at the head of the compact car class but, just as importantly, will strengthen its place in the hearts of countless UK owners thanks to its exceptional quality, classless appeal and, now more than ever, its hugely competitive pricing and whole-life value.”

For more details on all the cars in Volkswagen’s updated Golf range, together with brochures and pricing and to use Volkswagen’s online configurator, please visit www.volkswagen.co.uk.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jv on 01 February 2017, 11:42
I need some help with "Democratising quality and value is a longstanding Volkswagen tenet and it is enthusiastically employed in the updated Golf."

So VW brings to everyone a quality, value filled car? Hmm, just about acceptable. Where's the enthusiasm? Certainly not at the dealership. Are the robots programmed to build these in a more interested and excitable style than before?

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 11:47
I see!, thats wrong i the konfigurator.

If you look at "tillval"  "klädsel i Tyg/ Art Velour. You vill have the seats in the middle of your pictures.

I will have them for option.
Found it, thanks. They are configured on the final options page. They are not configured along with the alloys, the same as the German website.

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Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 01 February 2017, 12:00
I see!, thats wrong i the konfigurator.

If you look at "tillval"  "klädsel i Tyg/ Art Velour. You vill have the seats in the middle of your pictures.

I will have them for option.
Found it, thanks. They are configured on the final options page. They are not configured along with the alloys, the same as the German website.

Yes!,

I will build my car att at dealer today, so it will 100% right :)

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Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 01 February 2017, 12:10
I noticed the press release talks of GTD and GTD BlueLine

What the hell is that?

It suggests its a higher spec than a GTD:

Quote
beginning in the hatchback range with S and rising through SE, SE Nav, GT, R-Line, GTE, GTE Advance, e-Golf, GTD and GTD BlueLine to GTI, GTI Performance and, ultimately, R.

I guess tomorrow we can find out for sure....
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jv on 01 February 2017, 12:27
Golf GTD BlueLine   2.0 TDI BMT   Manual   3   184   116   £27,065.00
Golf GTD BlueLine   2.0 TDI BMT   Manual   5   184   119   £27,720.00
Golf GTD BlueLine   2.0 TDI BMT   DSG   3   184   122   £28,480.00
Golf GTD BlueLine   2.0 TDI BMT   DSG   5   184   122   £29,135.00
Golf GTD   2.0 TDI BMT   Manual   3   184   122   £27,065.00
Golf GTD   2.0 TDI BMT   Manual   5   184   125   £27,720.00
Golf GTD   2.0 TDI BMT   DSG   3   184   129   £28,480.00

Costs the same, has lower CO2. Is 120 an interesting tax break by any chance?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 12:29
Press release fun:
The updated Volkswagen Golf opens for order in the UK from tomorrow (2 February) ...

Active Info Display that is also new in the Golf and appears as standard on all Performance Golfs.

The UK line-up retains a familiar feel, beginning in the hatchback range with S and rising through SE, SE Nav, GT, R-Line, GTE, GTE Advance, e-Golf, GTD and GTD BlueLine to GTI, GTI Performance and, ultimately, R.

   
For more details on all the cars in Volkswagen’s updated Golf range, together with brochures and pricing and to use Volkswagen’s online configurator, please visit www.volkswagen.co.uk.
I cannot wait to see if the GTI performance and Golf R will be available tomorrow.

Edit: I have just realised that the 'Active Info Display' is the same as the Virtual Cockpit. I was hoping it would be an option as I prefer the standard display and it's not something I really wanted :/

Oh well... obviously this will be the future of driver displays...  :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 01 February 2017, 12:55
Golf GTD BlueLine   2.0 TDI BMT   Manual   3   184   116   £27,065.00
Golf GTD BlueLine   2.0 TDI BMT   Manual   5   184   119   £27,720.00
Golf GTD BlueLine   2.0 TDI BMT   DSG   3   184   122   £28,480.00
Golf GTD BlueLine   2.0 TDI BMT   DSG   5   184   122   £29,135.00
Golf GTD   2.0 TDI BMT   Manual   3   184   122   £27,065.00
Golf GTD   2.0 TDI BMT   Manual   5   184   125   £27,720.00
Golf GTD   2.0 TDI BMT   DSG   3   184   129   £28,480.00

Costs the same, has lower CO2. Is 120 an interesting tax break by any chance?

When I google "Blueline" I get stuff about AdBlu... do you think they've made a p*ss drinking version????

Doesn't seem to make much difference to VED though. Here are the bands for vehicles registered April 2017 :

1 – 50
51 – 75
76 – 90
91 – 100
101 – 110
111 – 130
131 – 150

All of those GTDs are in 111 to 130 g/km

In terms of BIK, the bands are slightly different:

110-114
115-119
120-124
125-129

Although as of April 2017, BIK is largely irrelevant because you are taxed on the monthly cash payment equivalent, its just that its made up of two parts: BIK + difference between income tax on lease payment minus BIK...

What is really truly staggering here is that my 2014 Golf GTD 5 door manual has a Co2 figure of 109g/km... and now its 125g/km!!!! What the hell has happened??
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: brown.jamesa on 01 February 2017, 13:06
Does anyone remember the average percentage people were getting off the facelift version for the mk6 (6.5)

Just wondering what percentage I should be aiming for once the order books open?

~12% off list?

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 13:08
What is really truly staggering here is that my 2014 Golf GTD 5 door manual has a Co2 figure of 109g/km... and now its 125g/km!!!! What the hell has happened??
... dieselgate, a new testing procedure and generally more honesty!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 01 February 2017, 13:19
What is really truly staggering here is that my 2014 Golf GTD 5 door manual has a Co2 figure of 109g/km... and now its 125g/km!!!! What the hell has happened??
... dieselgate, a new testing procedure and generally more honesty!

Well that is an obvious answer, but on the other hand, I am not aware of any different EU test regimes in effect YET.

The GTD had already jumped up from 109g/km silently pre-FL to 114g/km and now the FL one is even worse.

Maybe the new nose is less aerodynamic? Maybe the new tech consumes more electricity? (these would effect the emissions figures)

I think it only fair for VW to actually provide an answer to these questions. Afterall, we are all concerned about the environment and want to know why they are moving backwards!

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 13:26
... I am not aware of any different EU test regimes in effect YET.
... a new world-wide harmonized light duty vehicles test procedure (WLTP) will be introduced this year.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 01 February 2017, 14:18
... I am not aware of any different EU test regimes in effect YET.
... a new world-wide harmonized light duty vehicles test procedure (WLTP) will be introduced this year.

Yes... but its not here yet and I can't imagine anyone is wanting to show the new test figures until everyone else is because they will appear rubbish...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 01 February 2017, 15:24
I have (laughably) emailed VW UK to ask the question...

BTW the UK configurator for performance golfs is offline today in prep for the big day tommorow.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 February 2017, 15:43
Yes... but its not here yet and I can't imagine anyone is wanting to show the new test figures until everyone else is because they will appear rubbish...
... as far as I remember all new cars have to use the new test after the introduction date. Existing cars have 12 months to produce figures using the new test. So they would have to retest soon. Then they would have to change all their literature and websites. How would they explain the change to their customers?

I think VW have learned their lesson on cheating test results.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 01 February 2017, 15:47
Up to August 2017:
• NEDC testing will remain in place
• Vehicle manufacturers will prepare for WLTP and in some cases already begin to publish WLTP figures for new models e.g. Opel for new Astra

September 2017 to December 2019:
• WLTP type approval testing will be introduced for new vehicles
• New vehicles will be tested both using both NEDC and WLTP type approval procedures
• The legally binding values for the CO2 monitoring will remain the NEDC based results
• WLTP based results can be used for customer information (sales brochures and CO2 labelling)
• As further focus is placed on WLTP results by various stakeholders it is expected that national tax regulations will adapt to utilising WLTP based CO2 values. Correspondingly vehicle manufacturers will optimise vehicle development for this test rather than NEDC.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: brown.jamesa on 01 February 2017, 18:34
Does anyone remember the average percentage people were getting off the facelift version for the mk6 (6.5)

Just wondering what percentage I should be aiming for once the order books open?

~12% off list?

drivethedeal website now has the pricing available.

VOLKSWAGEN GOLF HATCHBACK 2.0 TSI GTI 5DR DSG (NO OPTIONS)

£3,677.73   Discount (saving)
£26,257.27 Discounted Price with options

so around 12% then :-)


From website:

EXTRA INFORMATION
-----------------------

Models shown are the new Golf Mk 7.5.

This new facelifted model is available to order now for delivery in May / June 2017

Volkswagen have yet to announce the finance offers for this new model, as soon as we have these available we will update this page.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: brown.jamesa on 01 February 2017, 18:39
Does anyone remember the average percentage people were getting off the facelift version for the mk6 (6.5)

Just wondering what percentage I should be aiming for once the order books open?

~12% off list?

drivethedeal website now has the pricing available.

VOLKSWAGEN GOLF HATCHBACK 2.0 TSI GTI 5DR DSG (NO OPTIONS)

£3,677.73   Discount (saving)
£26,257.27 Discounted Price with options

so around 12% then :-)


From website:

EXTRA INFORMATION
-----------------------

Models shown are the new Golf Mk 7.5.

This new facelifted model is available to order now for delivery in May / June 2017

Volkswagen have yet to announce the finance offers for this new model, as soon as we have these available we will update this page.


VOLKSWAGEN GOLF HATCHBACK 2.0 TSI GTI 5DR DSG
570.00  Metallic - Indium grey
1,750.00 Vienna leather - Black + heated front sports seats with lumbar support
1,325.00 Discover DVD navigation pro with European map data 64GB hard drive + voice control
95.00 Heat insulated tinted glass 90% light absorbing from B pillar back
375.00 - Parking Pack - Golf
550 - Dynaudio excite sound pack - Golf


34,600.00 - List
4,202.54 - Discount
30,397.43 - Discount with options



VOLKSWAGEN GOLF HATCHBACK 2.0 TSI 310 R 5DR AWD DSG
630.00 Special metallic - Lapiz blue
1750.00 Vienna leather - Black + heated front sports seats with lumbar support
1325.00 Discover DVD navigation pro with European map data 64GB hard drive + voice control
95.00 Heat insulated tinted glass 90% light absorbing from B pillar back
550.00 Dynaudio excite sound pack - Golf


38,285.00 - List
4,731.40 - Discount
33,553.60 - Discount with options

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 01 February 2017, 19:23
Does anyone remember the average percentage people were getting off the facelift version for the mk6 (6.5)

Just wondering what percentage I should be aiming for once the order books open?

~12% off list?

drivethedeal website now has the pricing available.

VOLKSWAGEN GOLF HATCHBACK 2.0 TSI GTI 5DR DSG (NO OPTIONS)

£3,677.73   Discount (saving)
£26,257.27 Discounted Price with options

so around 12% then :-)


From website:

EXTRA INFORMATION
-----------------------

Models shown are the new Golf Mk 7.5.

This new facelifted model is available to order now for delivery in May / June 2017

Volkswagen have yet to announce the finance offers for this new model, as soon as we have these available we will update this page.

So there's  scope to add whatever deposit contributions VWFS offer as additional discount. If it is still £2k them that would be a very decent saving.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: brown.jamesa on 02 February 2017, 07:21
So it looks like there is no 7 speed DSG for the GTI or option to add the "performance pack"
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 02 February 2017, 07:39
Also looks like whilst performance models get LED headlights and Active info display, Keyless entry for all models has been relegated to the options list (but at least it now seems to be supported again on 3 door models according to the price list).

Not a bad swap I guess ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 02 February 2017, 08:14
Just noticed what maybe be a typo (I know, unheard of with VW), but looking at the fuel consumption and CO2 figures for the outgoing MK7 GTD vs the new MK7.5 GTD (with the new 7 Speed DSG box), I see this

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/322/32661640185_bd23324e28_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RLcrHk)

Both sets of figures taken from the respective brochures / pricelists (Golf 7 - from Dec 216, Golf 7.5 from today's website).

Whilst they aren't massively different, it's interesting to note, that under the same official tests, the new 7 Speed DSG gearbox (which I though would be more economical due to longer 7th Gear), actually mostly fares worse than the outgoing 6 speed box with regards to MPG and CO2 ?

I know the figures quoted are not achievable in the real world and are just for comparison purposes only, and that in reality they will probably be very similar, but why go to a more complex 7 speed box if it doesn't add any advantages (or am I missing them) ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 02 February 2017, 08:47
Also looks like whilst performance models get LED headlights and Active info display, Keyless entry for all models has been relegated to the options list (but at least it now seems to be supported again on 3 door models according to the price list).

Not a bad swap I guess ?

It still not available on 3 door it says in the price and spec guide. Mad that you can't get it in 3 door.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 02 February 2017, 09:34

Whilst they aren't massively different, it's interesting to note, that under the same official tests, the new 7 Speed DSG gearbox (which I though would be more economical due to longer 7th Gear), actually mostly fares worse than the outgoing 6 speed box with regards to MPG and CO2 ?

I know the figures quoted are not achievable in the real world and are just for comparison purposes only, and that in reality they will probably be very similar, but why go to a more complex 7 speed box if it doesn't add any advantages (or am I missing them) ?

If you look the urban figure is slightly better.

I suspect that if you were to run the figures for the new WLTP test, the 7 speed will be better than the 6.

I still also think that the 7 speed will actually genuinely deliver better fuel economy at a constant 70mph...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 02 February 2017, 10:16
I noticed the press release talks of GTD and GTD BlueLine

What the hell is that?

It suggests its a higher spec than a GTD:

Quote
beginning in the hatchback range with S and rising through SE, SE Nav, GT, R-Line, GTE, GTE Advance, e-Golf, GTD and GTD BlueLine to GTI, GTI Performance and, ultimately, R.

I guess tomorrow we can find out for sure....

From what I can make out in the brochure, the GTD Blueline comes with  17" all silver/painted version of Nogaro wheels to lower the Co2.

Standard GTD comes with 18" Seville wheels as seen on the white GTE on launch day.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 02 February 2017, 10:44
From what I can make out in the brochure, the GTD Blueline comes with  17" all silver/painted version of Nogaro wheels to lower the Co2.

Standard GTD comes with 18" Seville wheels as seen on the white GTE on launch day.

It must be more than just that though.

The official blurb says:

New BlueLine trim
To meet CO2 thresholds, we’ve introduced the GTD BlueLine Hatch and Estate models. We expect the GTD BlueLine trim to appeal to the 25 per cent of corporate fleet companies that have a 120g/km CO2 policy. In BlueLine models, an adjustment is made to standardised specification to target a specific CO2 threshold.  For example, the facelifted Golf Hatch GTD trim (with an 18-inch alloy as standard) has a CO2 value of 122g/km, while the Golf Hatch GTD BlueLine trim (with a 17-inch alloy as standard) delivers a CO2 value of 116g/km and improved fuel efficiency.


I don't think the wheels are the only thing and from what I've read about reducing wheel size, that's far too much of a reduction for just a wheel size drop of 1". It must be also a significant tyre width reduction plus something else they haven't mentioned...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 02 February 2017, 11:05
From what I can make out in the brochure, the GTD Blueline comes with  17" all silver/painted version of Nogaro wheels to lower the Co2.

Standard GTD comes with 18" Seville wheels as seen on the white GTE on launch day.

It must be more than just that though.

The official blurb says:

New BlueLine trim
To meet CO2 thresholds, we’ve introduced the GTD BlueLine Hatch and Estate models. We expect the GTD BlueLine trim to appeal to the 25 per cent of corporate fleet companies that have a 120g/km CO2 policy. In BlueLine models, an adjustment is made to standardised specification to target a specific CO2 threshold.  For example, the facelifted Golf Hatch GTD trim (with an 18-inch alloy as standard) has a CO2 value of 122g/km, while the Golf Hatch GTD BlueLine trim (with a 17-inch alloy as standard) delivers a CO2 value of 116g/km and improved fuel efficiency.


I don't think the wheels are the only thing and from what I've read about reducing wheel size, that's far too much of a reduction for just a wheel size drop of 1". It must be also a significant tyre width reduction plus something else they haven't mentioned...

Unless it has AdBlue but they haven't announced that yet?

VW did something similar with the last versions of the mk6, I remember wanting to go for a mk6 GT but the only version available at the end was a GT BluemotionTech which had 16" wheels as standard to lower the Co2 (as opposed to 17" standard, 18" optional) with no option to change these.


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Rh83 on 02 February 2017, 11:08
On another note - Golf GTI Performance seems to have disappeared/not made it. Not even in the downloadable pricing packs. Anyone heard any news of whether this is going to hit the UK? Or are they still fixing the website?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 02 February 2017, 11:41
Well interestingly, in the standard blub on the VW website (not in the brochure), it does say the following when looking at the GTI headline details:

Differential lock

The optional front differential lock and progressive steering, (which is fitted as standard), make driving on winding roads in your Golf GTI even more enjoyable. For enhanced driving dynamics, better traction and more direct steering control.

But if you look in the new pricelist under options, there's no mention of a differential lock option ? Maybe it's coming later and rather than opting for the performance pack, now the new GTI already has the increased power as standard, maybe you will be able to add the electronic differential lock as an option soon ? Then the only thing that is missing is the larger brakes with the "GTI" logo calipers ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mike. on 02 February 2017, 12:00
I notice that the CO2 figure for the 3 door R with 7 speed DSG is 160g/km yet for an S3 hatch, which is supposedly the same engine, it is 146gm/km and the manual is 180 vs 162
Are they the same engine?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 02 February 2017, 12:12
I notice that the CO2 figure for the 3 door R with 7 speed DSG is 160g/km yet for an S3 hatch, which is supposedly the same engine, it is 146gm/km and the manual is 180 vs 162
Are they the same engine?

CO2 output is a product of all sorts of elements of a car design, not just its engine and gearbox.

What does a S3 hatch weigh? What size wheels does it have? What is the drag coefficient? What is the electrical consumption?

Its all of these reasons why I am questioning a 2014 GTD vs a 2017 GTD 7.5 is a massive jump in CO2.

Something is not right here...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mike. on 02 February 2017, 12:23
Yea, hadn't thought of that,  just checked the figures and the Golf is 53kg heavier than the S3 hatch
Also noticed the Golf is 380NM whereas the S3 is 400NM so looks like some sort of difference in tune.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 02 February 2017, 15:29
Yea, hadn't thought of that,  just checked the figures and the Golf is 53kg heavier than the S3 hatch
Also noticed the Golf is 380NM whereas the S3 is 400NM so looks like some sort of difference in tune.

Aluminium doors and a few other body parts brings the S3 weight down, but all other things being equal - a 3.6% drop on weight does not amount to being  almost 10% more frugal (CO2 output being directly related to fuel usage. I can't see the S3 being any more aerodynamic than the R, and electrical load requirements will be almost identical. Most likely explanation is that VW are now using the new "more honest/more realistic" test method for emissions and fuel economy and Audi are using the old method because the scandal heat is all on VW.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 02 February 2017, 15:50
My thoughts are the new road tax for cars registered  April onwards. Does the R fall into the £500 1st year?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 02 February 2017, 16:31
From the brochure and pricing posted by Andrew in the other thread (https://www.dropbox.com/s/0yc23m8tq3qxb5x/2017%20golf%20pricelist.pdf?dl=0)

The GTD Blueline seems to only differ in wheels:

Alloy wheels, four 7½J x 17" ‘Curitiba’ with 225/45 R17 tyres and anti-theft wheel bolts

vs the "full blood" GTD:

Alloy wheels, four 7½J x 18" ‘Seville’ with 225/40 R18 tyres and anti-theft wheel bolts


Tyres are the same width...

I also noticed this little gem:

Please note: When the navigation map
is displayed in the Active Info Display in
conjunction with the Discover Navigation
system, the navigation map cannot be
displayed on the Discover Navigation’s
8.0" infotainment touch-screen


Looks like that is some sort of screen throw its doing or it hasn't got enough CPU power to drive both. Certainly seems like Active Info is driven by the MIB3.

I see if you have Lane Assist with Traffic Jam assist now its added the extra sensor for Rear Traffic Alert (like Front Assist but for things hitting you up the arse)... but says its for 5 door only! In fact all of the Lane Assist package variants say 5 door only.


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 02 February 2017, 16:43
On another note - Golf GTI Performance seems to have disappeared/not made it. Not even in the downloadable pricing packs. Anyone heard any news of whether this is going to hit the UK? Or are they still fixing the website?
It is mentioned in the brochure pdf, but not the pricing pdf. Try searching the document for the words 'performance pack' or 'GTI performance'. The Technical specification section lists the GTI performance pact with all details TBA - to be announced.

The google translation of a German forum mentioned that it would be BW6 before it would be announced. That would mean next week, I think. Though another person said it might not be announced until BW9 at the end of February.

The Swedish and Czech websites list the GTI PP model, but have no details.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: david25 on 02 February 2017, 19:17
Any pics of the optional (GTI)

Art Velours upholstery in Black/Flint Grey ‘Sports Honeycomb’ design
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 02 February 2017, 20:11
Any pics of the optional (GTI)

Art Velours upholstery in Black/Flint Grey ‘Sports Honeycomb’ design

I'm sure thats the one on page 53+54 on this thread. Black/Red though.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 02 February 2017, 22:34
Is there anywhere that explains what the "virtual cockpit" actually offers, the options of screens etc ?

Thought I had decided not to go for another GTD, but this has put a spanner in the works....  Will the new GTD be any quicker or economical given the 7 speed gearbox ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 02 February 2017, 22:53
Is there anywhere that explains what the "virtual cockpit" actually offers, the options of screens etc ?

Thought I had decided not to go for another GTD, but this has put a spanner in the works....  Will the new GTD be any quicker or economical given the 7 speed gearbox ?
There are videos on youtube of the Passat Active Info Display. I was just looking on youtube and I'm still not impressed :sad:

The new 7-speed box is 0.1sec faster i.e. not noticeable. On paper the fuel economy is only slightly better too. Though it will remain to seen if real world economy is better as VW said it would be.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 03 February 2017, 06:24
Is there anywhere that explains what the "virtual cockpit" actually offers, the options of screens etc ?

Thought I had decided not to go for another GTD, but this has put a spanner in the works....  Will the new GTD be any quicker or economical given the 7 speed gearbox ?
There are videos on youtube of the Passat Active Info Display. I was just looking on youtube and I'm still not impressed :sad:

The new 7-speed box is 0.1sec faster i.e. not noticeable. On paper the fuel economy is only slightly better too. Though it will remain to seen if real world economy is better as VW said it would be.

Where did you find the info about the 7-speed dsg? :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 03 February 2017, 07:38
Is there anywhere that explains what the "virtual cockpit" actually offers, the options of screens etc ?

Thought I had decided not to go for another GTD, but this has put a spanner in the works....  Will the new GTD be any quicker or economical given the 7 speed gearbox ?
There are videos on youtube of the Passat Active Info Display. I was just looking on youtube and I'm still not impressed :sad:

The new 7-speed box is 0.1sec faster i.e. not noticeable. On paper the fuel economy is only slightly better too. Though it will remain to seen if real world economy is better as VW said it would be.

Where did you find the info about the 7-speed dsg? :)
... page 33 of the brochure pdf downloaded from the VW UK website.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 03 February 2017, 09:50
Is there anywhere that explains what the "virtual cockpit" actually offers, the options of screens etc ?

Thought I had decided not to go for another GTD, but this has put a spanner in the works....  Will the new GTD be any quicker or economical given the 7 speed gearbox ?
There are videos on youtube of the Passat Active Info Display. I was just looking on youtube and I'm still not impressed :sad:

The new 7-speed box is 0.1sec faster i.e. not noticeable. On paper the fuel economy is only slightly better too. Though it will remain to seen if real world economy is better as VW said it would be.

Where did you find the info about the 7-speed dsg? :)
... page 33 of the brochure pdf downloaded from the VW UK website.

I only see "TBA"  att the most numbers on the PP on page 33.. :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 03 February 2017, 12:50
Nice :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZeSSGvbbPE

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 03 February 2017, 12:53
Front end looks nice on red colour but those wheels are hideous!!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: sam67GTD on 03 February 2017, 13:36
Have they dropped the GTI Performance model in the UK now, or is this coming at a later date?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 03 February 2017, 13:47
Front end looks nice on red colour but those wheels are hideous!!

I think they look nicer than the previous standard GTI wheels (name escapes me, but the axe shaped ones)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 03 February 2017, 14:45
Have they dropped the GTI Performance model in the UK now, or is this coming at a later date?

It must be a later date, an Octavia vRS 245 has just been announced which is the equivalent of the GTI PP.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-eurocars/skoda-octavia-vrs-245-announced/35702




Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 03 February 2017, 15:24
Front end looks nice on red colour but those wheels are hideous!!

I think they look nicer than the previous standard GTI wheels (name escapes me, but the axe shaped ones)

I prefer them to the Austins too. Have they replaced the Nogaros of the GTD (hope not) or the Cadiz of the R (hope so, they are hideous)?

Those front foglight surrounds looks a little more agressive (in a good way), but make it harder to differentiate from  a CS (CS owners might not like that).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 03 February 2017, 15:30
Front end looks nice on red colour but those wheels are hideous!!

I think they look nicer than the previous standard GTI wheels (name escapes me, but the axe shaped ones)

I prefer them to the Austins too. Have they replaced the Nogaros of the GTD (hope not) or the Cadiz of the R (hope so, they are hideous)?

Those front foglight surrounds looks a little more agressive (in a good way), but make it harder to differentiate from  a CS (CS owners might not like that).

Cadiz remain but have introduced a new option in the form of a 19" spielberg

(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/Mobile%20Uploads/E9911598-74AE-4961-A851-1E4F09E0437D.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/Mobile%20Uploads/E9911598-74AE-4961-A851-1E4F09E0437D.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 03 February 2017, 15:33
Front end looks nice on red colour but those wheels are hideous!!

I think they look nicer than the previous standard GTI wheels (name escapes me, but the axe shaped ones)

I prefer them to the Austins too. Have they replaced the Nogaros of the GTD (hope not) or the Cadiz of the R (hope so, they are hideous)?

Those front foglight surrounds looks a little more agressive (in a good way), but make it harder to differentiate from  a CS (CS owners might not like that).

Nogaros have been replaced with Sevilla. Looks like a 17" version of Nogaro painted/silver (not diamond cut/black) on the GTD Blueline.
Nogaros are really nice but have had their day to be fair.

Cadiz still standard on the R but you can now spec black Prets and what Craig has posted above.


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 03 February 2017, 15:34
The Austins are awesome and them new ones look sh!te, like something you'd see on a Nissan qashqai :sick:

The Cadiz aren't the best but have slowly grown on me to the stage where I find them almost acceptable :smiley:

Black Pretoria are a nice addition to the range :cool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: sam67GTD on 03 February 2017, 16:09
Have they dropped the GTI Performance model in the UK now, or is this coming at a later date?

It must be a later date, an Octavia vRS 245 has just been announced which is the equivalent of the GTI PP.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-eurocars/skoda-octavia-vrs-245-announced/35702

Oh, interesting. The standard GTI looks amazing, but really tempted by an R :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 03 February 2017, 16:13
I have just been on the VW configurator to see whats new etc on the facelift.  I configured a Golf R and initially noticed the following

1. The engine is now 310ps and DSG is 7 speed but the acceleration is still 5.1 secs (manual & auto, these figures must be wrong),

2., LED headlights are extra option at £310, thought they would have been standard?

3. Black Pretorias are now available

4. There are less options to add on to the build.  I cannot see App Connect anywhere?

5. There is now a wireless charging option for compatible phones. 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: TwoSheds on 03 February 2017, 16:27
I have just been on the VW configurator to see whats new etc on the facelift.  I configured a Golf R and initially noticed the following

1. The engine is now 310ps and DSG is 7 speed but the acceleration is still 5.1 secs (manual & auto, these figures must be wrong),

2., LED headlights are extra option at £310, thought they would have been standard?

3. Black Pretorias are now available

4. There are less options to add on to the build.  I cannot see App Connect anywhere?

5. There is now a wireless charging option for compatible phones.

LED headlights ( with dynamic cornering function) are standard as I read it.

The extra £330 is if you option dynamic high beam assist as well.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 03 February 2017, 17:30
App connect is now included with the standard discovery nav or optional nav pro
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Brenbo on 03 February 2017, 17:44
I am only going by the descriptions on the configurator when I looked earlier today,
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 03 February 2017, 18:55
Look under what is included as standard on the options page...

In Car Entertainment And Communication
Active info display
Car-Net App-Connect
Car-Net Guide and Inform
Discover Navigation system (DNS)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 03 February 2017, 20:37
Best to look in the options bit of the new pricelist to see options that are standard on some trims and options at cost on others (look for the hollow square icon for standard). Performance Golfs still seem to get Nav (someone said it was lost equipment - Fred?). Some things aren't very clear that they are standard on the trim level description pages.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 03 February 2017, 20:48
I am gutted they have dropped Reflex Silver for the white silver. I was going to order a silver R, but not sure I like the white silver. Does anyone know what it is like?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 03 February 2017, 20:51
I am gutted they have dropped Reflex Silver for the white silver. I was going to order a silver R, but not sure I like the white silver. Does anyone know what it is like?

No idea, not aware of it being used elsewhere in the VAG range, so likely new colour. I'd hazard a guess that it'll look a bit like Sodium metal (if you ever saw a lump of that in Chemistry in school and resisted chucking it into a beaker of water).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: evo1986 on 03 February 2017, 22:24
It has been available since the launch of the facelift VW Up.

It is a stunning colour and one that I will certainly be ordering my next R demo in.



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jjgreenwood on 03 February 2017, 22:26
It has been available since the launch of the facelift VW Up.

It is a stunning colour and one that I will certainly be ordering my next R demo in.

Reflex is better IMHO - perhaps it'll make the last few MK7's worth more  :evil:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 03 February 2017, 22:43
It has been available since the launch of the facelift VW Up.

It is a stunning colour and one that I will certainly be ordering my next R demo in.

Reflex is better IMHO - perhaps it'll make the last few MK7's worth more  :evil:

Will need to see really to compare.
Reflex silver was what I was trying to hunt down recently without any luck. Saw it on the Passat tonight and it's such a nice colour.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 03 February 2017, 23:07
Funny how tastes change. Reflex silver (or silvers like that) were "the" colour to have in the late '90's, early 2000's. Every second MK4 Golf was silver. A silver MK7 is a rare sight.

I think Indium grey will be the choice colour. I reckon that'll look really well with the GTI's red bits.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 03 February 2017, 23:29
Funny how tastes change. Reflex silver (or silvers like that) were "the" colour to have in the late '90's, early 2000's. Every second MK4 Golf was silver. A silver MK7 is a rare sight.

I think Indium grey will be the choice colour. I reckon that'll look really well with the GTI's red bits.

It's a shame there are no other exclusive R colours apart from Lapis blue to really make it stand out from the crowd
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 04 February 2017, 00:14
Nice :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZeSSGvbbPE
... the first comment, "Holy crap those new 18" rims look sexy as hell." :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 04 February 2017, 00:17
Have they dropped the GTI Performance model in the UK now, or is this coming at a later date?
... I have been told May 4th  :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 04 February 2017, 07:12
Have they dropped the GTI Performance model in the UK now, or is this coming at a later date?
... I have been told May 4th  :sad:

StarWars Day!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 04 February 2017, 10:07
StarWars Day!
May the fourth be with you :grin:

I wonder why the performance pack is going to be another 3 months? Hopefully it will be worth waiting for.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 04 February 2017, 10:11
StarWars Day!
May the fourth be with you :grin:

I wonder why the performance pack is going to be another 3 months? Hopefully it will be worth waiting for.

Could it be something to do with the 7 speed DSG?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 04 February 2017, 10:51
StarWars Day!
May the fourth be with you :grin:

I wonder why the performance pack is going to be another 3 months? Hopefully it will be worth waiting for.

Could it be something to do with the 7 speed DSG?

In Sweden we can oder the PP witg the 7 DSG , that i will order now;). But it a little strange, that you cant do in Germany either...hm..
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 04 February 2017, 10:59
I wonder why the performance pack is going to be another 3 months?
Could it be something to do with the 7 speed DSG?
... yet the 150 and 184 diesel engine have it from launch. Though both those engines remain unchanged. We could also speculate that it was required to give improved and honest fuel economy figures.

Maybe the increased GTI engine power and lower gearing combined with the VAQ differential, simply requires more development.

No development required for moving it from an S3 to a Golf R with essentially the same engine and Haldex drive system.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 04 February 2017, 11:13
In Sweden we can oder the PP witg the 7 DSG , that i will order now;).
Does the Swedish website have any details on fuel economy and performance for the new 7-speed DSG?

The UK brochure has the GTI performance pack, with details 'To Be Announced'.

Both the Czech and Swedish websites show the performance pack, but are the cars actually going to be produced yet?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 04 February 2017, 18:35
In Sweden we can oder the PP witg the 7 DSG , that i will order now;).
Does the Swedish website have any details on fuel economy and performance for the new 7-speed DSG?

The UK brochure has the GTI performance pack, with details 'To Be Announced'.

Both the Czech and Swedish websites show the performance pack, but are the cars actually going to be produced yet?

No we don´t have any numbers yet, if i order today the car will be delivered late Q2 as a 2018.. :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 04 February 2017, 18:42
I have another problem!, what color will i order?!

Can you help med find som nice Photos/movies of these..

-white silver metallic
-dark iron blue metallic
-atlantic blue metallic.


Thanks from cold Sweden ;)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 04 February 2017, 22:48
I have another problem!, what color will i order?!

-white silver metallic
-dark iron blue metallic
-atlantic blue metallic.
I had decided on Reflex Silver. For some reason that option vanished last week :angry:

I believe that Dark Iron blue is being called Issac blue in the UK.

Atlantic blue looks really nice in the flesh. Not sure how it looks with with the GTI's red lines.

From the videos I have watched - white silver looks like white primer grey.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 05 February 2017, 01:06
I'd like to see an image of what Indium Grey looks like - now they've binned off (unfortunately) Carbon Grey which is my current colour of choice.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 05 February 2017, 07:58
I have another problem!, what color will i order?!

-white silver metallic
-dark iron blue metallic
-atlantic blue metallic.
I had decided on Reflex Silver. For some reason that option vanished last week :angry:

I believe that Dark Iron blue is being called Issac blue in the UK.

Atlantic blue looks really nice in the flesh. Not sure how it looks with with the GTI's red lines.

From the videos I have watched - white silver looks like white primer grey.

I was waiting on the facelift and had decided on Reflex Silver as well. None of the colours stand out to me really. So might look at white if it's a GTI, or go for lapiz blue on the R.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 05 February 2017, 11:56
I have discussed this before, though may be not here.

Has anyone ever considered - what is the safest colour of car? Most people buy their cars in daylight, coming into the summer. Few people consider how visible that colour will be on dark, wet, winter evenings.

Statistically, red is the most expensive colour to insure. Yet post office vans and fire engines are usually red. However, the most common colour of sports car and sporty models is red. Sports cars and sports models are the most expensive cars to insure. So it has nothing to do with the colour. In daylight red is one of the most visible and safest colours of car to drive. The problem is, in low light our eyes do not see colour. At night we can only detect light or dark. Red is detected as a dark colour. This is why many emergency vehicles are white with hi-vis yellow, orange, green or blue checkering. But I don't see that colour scheme catching on with the public :laugh:

A friend on mine has a midnight blue Bora. His sister-in-law reversed into it, my brother reversed into it, I nearly reversed into it! That colour is dam near invisible at night.

I think that Indium Grey is a really nice looking colour. Probably my favourite colour after black. However, I would not buy either colour. Indium Grey is basically the same colour as the road.

All modern cars have DRLs which is fine if you can see them. I have had a few incidents where the car coming towards me was in a slight dip on a narrow country road. It was usually around dust or dawn and it was usually raining. The roof of the black or dark grey car was the same colour as the road behind it. Therefore I did not see the car until the last second! Luckily they can seen me as my silver roof is a lot more visible against the road.

I realise that most people would never be in the above situation. However, this is something I consider when buying a car - what is the safest colour?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 05 February 2017, 12:08
Probably yellow or bright orange. Maybe viper green.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 05 February 2017, 12:09
Many years ago an old colleague of mine stated to me that "they should bloody ban silver cars as they're invisible in fog or heavy rain"

If I was buying an FL car I'd order Silver White or White Silver or whatever it is.
Silver cars are the easiest in the world to look after closely followed by white (ignoring tar spots).
So therefore White Silver or Silver White should trump both, plus mk7's look great in both White and Silver.

Indium Grey looks superb on Sciroccos and should tone down some of the fussy front end styling plus look very Germanically (is that even a real word? I think I made it up) understated.

The easiest colour to see?
You don't miss a Kiwi Green/Yellow or bright Yellow SEAT Ibiza or Leon very easily no matter what the light.



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 05 February 2017, 12:17
^ Is part of the reason that Red is considered costly to insure due to a red car's brake lights having less visual impact in daylight (Red on Red) when lit, especially when very sunny? Smoked/tinted rear clusters do help in making it even clearer when they are lit and when they aren't in bright conditions.

A dark car at night should be easy to see if it is lit, if only for the light it is putting out. A white car in pitch black conditions isn't going to look much lighter than a black one as most of the light that car is giving out isn't reflected back over the car.

If safety was the primary concern for car colour, the car manufacturers would be under pressure to limit the colour palette and making it highly reflective.

There's definitely no missing a Lapiz R, a Red or White Golf of any trim, or a Viper Green Scirocco during daylight or on a well lit road at night.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 05 February 2017, 13:01
Red is the most expensive colour to insure because of the Post Office vans being red.

Insurance is all about statistically measuring risk. Tons of very badly driven Post Office vehicles skew red massively.

I can tell you all about badly driven Post Office vehicles because I used to be a MT workshop manager for the Post Office....
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 05 February 2017, 13:16
I have another problem!, what color will i order?!

-white silver metallic
-dark iron blue metallic
-atlantic blue metallic.
I had decided on Reflex Silver. For some reason that option vanished last week :angry:

I believe that Dark Iron blue is being called Issac blue in the UK.

Atlantic blue looks really nice in the flesh. Not sure how it looks with with the GTI's red lines.

From the videos I have watched - white silver looks like white primer grey.

 :grin: Yes i am affraid that whitesilver looks like primer grey.. :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 05 February 2017, 13:37
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't recall ever being asked "what colour is the car?" when shopping for car insurance quotes...

Any time I see a red GTI or R I always tend to admire it but when it's come to purchasing one, red has never been on my radar for whatever reason. Maybe next time...

That indium grey does look very smart, finally a decent looking grey in the Golf range comparable to Audi's Daytona grey. Limestone grey is way too beige for my liking.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 05 February 2017, 13:39
It is a myth that red cars are more expensive to insure.

Though statistically red cars may appear more expensive to insure :huh:

There may be 2 factors which contribute to this statistical anomaly.

"http://www.4autoinsurancequote.com/uncategorized/is-insurance-higher-on-red-cars/"

"While red cars do not cost more to insure just because they are red, one could argue that there is a correlation. The target market for red sports cars is usually young male drivers. We all know that young male drivers are in one of the highest risk auto insurance brackets (because they statistically get in more accidents and more traffic violations). This combination of young man plus red car equals high insurance rates (but again, it’s NOT because of the color red)."


http://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/auto-insurance/car-color-affect-your-insurance-rate.htm (http://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/auto-insurance/car-color-affect-your-insurance-rate.htm)

"Where does the myth come from? After all, there's no smoke without fire, right? Well, it comes down to numbers. Sports cars are going to cost you more in insurance rates because they tend to be driven faster and have a higher likelihood of getting into an accident. But when your average car shopper picks out a sports car, which color do you think they go for more often than not? If you said red, then you should consider a job in the stats business! So, the fact that there are more red sports cars out there, along with the tendency for sports cars to get higher insurance rates, leads people to believe that it's the color rather than the car that's jacking up their rate [source: Insurance Tree]."
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 05 February 2017, 14:01
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't recall ever being asked "what colour is the car?" when shopping for car insurance quotes...

Any time I see a red GTI or R I always tend to admire it but when it's come to purchasing one, red has never been on my radar for whatever reason. Maybe next time...

That indium grey does look very smart, finally a decent looking grey in the Golf range comparable to Audi's Daytona grey. Limestone grey is way too beige for my liking.

Yeah, insurance is based mainly on the driver, location and car performance. Colour is not a factor.

Some people consider green cars to be dangerous as they are the same colour as hedges = camouflaged and hard to see in certain conditions. Same could be said for brown in the winter.

I think Indium will look fantastic, but I don't want a car that is the same colour as the road. Every time I see one I will be jealous.

I agree with the comments on silver cars and fog. This also applied to white. Especially as some people forget to switch on their fog lights!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 05 February 2017, 15:40
The whole car colour in day or light, did not really occur to me until I bought my carbon grey GTi after having Reflex Silver on my mk6. I realised that in winter I never really seem to see my car much in the light. So when I return to my car, instead of seeing the silver showing, the carbon grey gets lost in the dark which is a bit disappointing as it is a nice colour.

So certainly for me I am a bigger fan of the light colour cars.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 05 February 2017, 16:21
A friend on mine has a midnight blue Bora. His sister-in-law reversed into it, my brother reversed into it, I nearly reversed into it! That colour is dam near invisible at night.

Do Specsavers do a family and friend pack?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 05 February 2017, 17:11
A friend on mine has a midnight blue Bora. His sister-in-law reversed into it, my brother reversed into it, I nearly reversed into it! That colour is dam near invisible at night.

Do Specsavers do a family and friend pack?
:grin:

That's what I said to my brother, "should have gone to specsavers!"
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: ajmoir36 on 05 February 2017, 19:23
Grills and wheels on the mk5
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: gazmondo35 on 05 February 2017, 20:45
 Still can't make my mind up whether it's an improvement on the old model or not ,if I could retro fit those rear lights on the mk7  I would be happy .

 Here is a more in-depth look at the new mark 7.5

https://youtu.be/kRtsRiOnPzs
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 05 February 2017, 21:40
The Swedish site has the GTI with performance pack 245hp as standard :shocked:
Whoops! Just noticed this is old news.....cant workout how to delete
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: brown.jamesa on 05 February 2017, 22:27
Looking at the new golf pdf:

file:///home/chronos/u-a187a3fe587a77d41a6e8eb8d8cc6b31460c8974/Downloads/golf-vii-pa-brochure.pdf (http://file:///home/chronos/u-a187a3fe587a77d41a6e8eb8d8cc6b31460c8974/Downloads/golf-vii-pa-brochure.pdf)

I was interested in knowing what the Performance Pack will bring ontop of the standard GTI 230

Quote
XDSPlus electronic differential lock (2.0 litre TSI 230 PS, 2.0 litre TSI 245 PS, 2.0 litre TSI 310 PS,
2.0 litre TDI 184 PS)

Does the above mean the only benefit of the PP is the increase in BHP from 230 - 245?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: brown.jamesa on 05 February 2017, 22:31
Looking at the new golf pdf:

file:///home/chronos/u-a187a3fe587a77d41a6e8eb8d8cc6b31460c8974/Downloads/golf-vii-pa-brochure.pdf (http://file:///home/chronos/u-a187a3fe587a77d41a6e8eb8d8cc6b31460c8974/Downloads/golf-vii-pa-brochure.pdf)

I was interested in knowing what the Performance Pack will bring ontop of the standard GTI 230

Quote
XDSPlus electronic differential lock (2.0 litre TSI 230 PS, 2.0 litre TSI 245 PS, 2.0 litre TSI 310 PS,
2.0 litre TDI 184 PS)

Does the above mean the only benefit of the PP is the increase in BHP from 230 - 245?


Already answered my own question  :grin:

Quote
01 ‘Parker’ 18 inch alloy wheels are dynamic and stylish, with red brake callipers
adding a sporting touch. Choose the GTI Performance and you get larger callipers
with ‘GTI’ logo and brake discs, plus a mechanical limited slip diff.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 05 February 2017, 22:55
... and the PP will be available with the new 7-speed DSG.

The new DSG has given the S3 and Golf R better fuel economy and performance. Though it appears to have made little difference to the 150PS TDI and GTD.  :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 06 February 2017, 10:06
Looking at the new golf pdf:

file:///home/chronos/u-a187a3fe587a77d41a6e8eb8d8cc6b31460c8974/Downloads/golf-vii-pa-brochure.pdf (http://file:///home/chronos/u-a187a3fe587a77d41a6e8eb8d8cc6b31460c8974/Downloads/golf-vii-pa-brochure.pdf)

I was interested in knowing what the Performance Pack will bring ontop of the standard GTI 230

Quote
XDSPlus electronic differential lock (2.0 litre TSI 230 PS, 2.0 litre TSI 245 PS, 2.0 litre TSI 310 PS,
2.0 litre TDI 184 PS)

Does the above mean the only benefit of the PP is the increase in BHP from 230 - 245?

Am I reading it right by saying that the GTD is getting the same diff as the GTi PP?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 06 February 2017, 11:08
No, XDSPlus is the standard front diff.

Can't remember the nomenclature for the trick one.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 February 2017, 17:38
No, XDSPlus is the standard front diff.

Can't remember the nomenclature for the trick one.
XDS+ uses the brakes to help prevent the inside wheel spinning when accelerating out of a bend. I believe XDS+ is even used on the Golf R.

VAQ is an electronically controlled mechanical limited slip differential. It distributes power between the 2 front wheels to help prevent the inside wheel spinning when accelerating out of a bend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQqh2Tv5Puc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQqh2Tv5Puc)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 09 February 2017, 11:51
Is this Tungsten Silver? Why is it not available on the UK performance Golfs? :sad:

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Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Gnasher on 09 February 2017, 12:03
No, XDSPlus is the standard front diff.

Can't remember the nomenclature for the trick one.
XDS+ uses the brakes to help prevent the inside wheel spinning when accelerating out of a bend. I believe XDS+ is even used on the Golf R.

VAQ is an electronically controlled mechanical limited slip differential. It distributes power between the 2 front wheels to help prevent the inside wheel spinning when accelerating out of a bend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQqh2Tv5Puc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQqh2Tv5Puc)

Correct - apparently it's physically impossible for a golf to have 4wd AND the VAQ diff as both systems use the same output from the gearbox for each system. Also it's noted that the gearbox in the PP has a lot more in common with the 4wd R than the standard gearbox in the rest of the range.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 09 February 2017, 15:40
Is this Tungsten Silver? Why is it not available on the UK performance Golfs? :sad:

Yes, that does look like Tungsten Silver, which I think is a great colour for a GTI! I don't know how the UK colour choice gets so skewed from what is on offer in other countries. We seem to miss out on many of the more "adventurous" colours and why a staple colour, like Reflex, has been taken off I just don't understand. All the European cars come down the same line, so why? And how come the other VAG manufacturers have such different colour choices?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 09 February 2017, 15:42
I've never understood it really.

If they were buying stock and sticking it onto airfields for storage, I'd kinda get the conservative colour pallette choices, but all of this performance Golf stuff is mainly factory orders, so why not let us live a little and drive a purple R :D
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 10 February 2017, 19:52
Think I have decided to renew my Golf GTD mk7 with a Golf GTD mk7.5 :)

I have considered other cars to replace mine with, but always seem to come back to the GTD dsg does everything I want it to really well.  Just going to go for Lease next time rather than PCP, which on this one has not done very well at all.

Any good pictures around showing the Black Rubin colour option ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: davyk31 on 10 February 2017, 19:57
Have you found any good lease deals on the 7.5 GTD?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 10 February 2017, 21:06
Have you found any good lease deals on the 7.5 GTD?

Nothing outstanding.  I just have an upper limit and as long as I am in that range I am OK. - part funded from company in lieu of co-car.

About £330 for 10K over 3 years and 3 months down for a DSG standard car.




Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 11 February 2017, 11:16
Is there any chance Tungsten Silver will become available for the Performance Pack in May? (Wishful thinking  :sad:)

Tungsten Silver is available on standard UK Golfs and on performance Golfs in Europe. Therefore it is not an exclusive colour. So could it be requested as a factory order?

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Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 07:52
Good video of the new lights on the car -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT5EjkKNiL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT5EjkKNiL4)

I didn't think I would like the GTI in white, but it contrasts well against the red GTI lines. Unfortunately, the roads around me resemble a muddy field when it rains and white would be hard to keep clean :angry: Luckily, I actually enjoy washing cars :undecided:

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 14:56
While I was outside washing one of the cars, I was thinking that white would be a bad choice for my new GTI. Tar, bugs and muck. Then I watched this video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9AHULgZ7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9AHULgZ7c)

Food for thought.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 12 February 2017, 15:46
While I was outside washing one of the cars, I was thinking that white would be a bad choice for my new GTI. Tar, bugs and muck. Then I watched this video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9AHULgZ7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9AHULgZ7c)

Food for thought.

I noticed swapping from a silver car to the carbon grey in winter how the car blends in. Most of my driving is done in the dark so when I am leaving and returning to the car don't get the same view that I used to enjoy.

That's one of the reasons to go back to silver but maybe white will be my colour of choice
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: brown.jamesa on 12 February 2017, 17:44
Videos of DNS vs DNS pro for satnav:

DNS (Standard for GTD/GTI/R)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guLKcV7o8kc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guLKcV7o8kc)

DNS Pro (1325 option)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gIDG9WBVY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gIDG9WBVY)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 17:56
That's one of the reasons to go back to silver but maybe white will be my colour of choice
When we were out this afternoon I noticed 4 white Golfs and 1 red. White just doesn't do it for me, but I really liked the red one :undecided: Though red is a dark colour and will blend in as the light fades.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 12 February 2017, 18:02
Videos of DNS vs DNS pro for satnav:

DNS (Standard for GTD/GTI/R)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guLKcV7o8kc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guLKcV7o8kc)

DNS Pro (1325 option)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gIDG9WBVY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gIDG9WBVY)

Thanks for the links, both units look so much better than the outgoing models.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 12 February 2017, 18:10
That's one of the reasons to go back to silver but maybe white will be my colour of choice
When we were out this afternoon I noticed 4 white Golfs and 1 red. White just doesn't do it for me, but I really liked the red one :undecided: Though red is a dark colour and will blend in as the light fades.

"Blend in as the light fades"?? What does that mean? Can't say I've ever had too much difficulty spotting my car after dark :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 18:38
"Blend in as the light fades"?? What does that mean? Can't say I've ever had too much difficulty spotting my car after dark :smiley:
... demonstrated in this video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9AHULgZ7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9AHULgZ7c)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 18:44
Full review in English -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dTrU4YfHM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dTrU4YfHM)

I still think that the GTD in Tungsten Silver is the mutts nuts. Why is that colour only available on standard Golfs in the UK?  :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 12 February 2017, 18:49
"Blend in as the light fades"?? What does that mean? Can't say I've ever had too much difficulty spotting my car after dark :smiley:
... demonstrated in this video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9AHULgZ7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9AHULgZ7c)

Please don't take this personally but what an absolute load of old bo****ks. I had my last car 12 years and it was black, no problems. I've also had dark blues and greys without difficulty. In fact I've only (touch wood) been involved in one traffic incident in over 32 years of driving which was in my current car in broad daylight. I'd suggest the biggest factor is not your car's colour but in other drivers just not looking. Buy the colour you want and don't worry about it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 12 February 2017, 19:14
"Blend in as the light fades"?? What does that mean? Can't say I've ever had too much difficulty spotting my car after dark :smiley:
... demonstrated in this video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9AHULgZ7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9AHULgZ7c)

Please don't take this personally but what an absolute load of old bo****ks. I had my last car 12 years and it was black, no problems. I've also had dark blues and greys without difficulty. In fact I've only (touch wood) been involved in one traffic incident in over 32 years of driving which was in my current car in broad daylight. I'd suggest the biggest factor is not your car's colour but in other drivers just not looking. Buy the colour you want and don't worry about it.

Only issue I see in dark cars fading into the darkness is if they're in the habit of driving without any exterior lighting on at all.  The intensity of reflections of a light coloured car off street lighting and car lighting pale into insignificance vs the front and rear lighting output piercing the darkness of night. That video just shows how much an unlit car becomes less visible as light fades, but as auto lights have been around a fair while and they come on as soon as light levels drop just a little, I don't see it as an issue - lit cars at night are visible, no matter the colour.

I've had 2 Tornado Golfs hit from behind, and in both cases the car was at a standstill in good lighting - they were just hit by idiots!  :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 19:35
Please don't take this personally but what an absolute load of old bo****ks.
... so you refuse to see what was right before your eyes in that video? :rolleyes:

The fact is that dark cars are less noticeable especially at night and therefore more likely to be involved in an accident. Statistics support this fact!

There are more articles and videos here - https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl (https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl)

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 12 February 2017, 19:51
That's one of the reasons to go back to silver but maybe white will be my colour of choice
When we were out this afternoon I noticed 4 white Golfs and 1 red. White just doesn't do it for me, but I really liked the red one :undecided: Though red is a dark colour and will blend in as the light fades.

"Blend in as the light fades"?? What does that mean? Can't say I've ever had too much difficulty spotting my car after dark :smiley:

I mean this

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/JamesRees/IMG_2072_zpsfws2wrrv.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/JamesRees/media/IMG_2072_zpsfws2wrrv.jpg.html)

Thats my Carbon grey against my brothers White and it was just getting dark.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 12 February 2017, 20:00
Please don't take this personally but what an absolute load of old bo****ks.
... so you refuse to see what was right before your eyes in that video? :rolleyes:

The fact is that dark cars are less noticeable especially at night and therefore more likely to be involved in an accident. Statistics support this fact!

There are more articles and videos here - https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl (https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl)

Get what you want, I just don't see that's a reason to choose one colour over another. When it's dark, you have your lights on, that's what they are for mostly, to make you more obvious to other road users. I'm sure by using statistics you could make a good case for not leaving your house :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 12 February 2017, 20:16
That's one of the reasons to go back to silver but maybe white will be my colour of choice
When we were out this afternoon I noticed 4 white Golfs and 1 red. White just doesn't do it for me, but I really liked the red one :undecided: Though red is a dark colour and will blend in as the light fades.

"Blend in as the light fades"?? What does that mean? Can't say I've ever had too much difficulty spotting my car after dark :smiley:

I mean this

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/JamesRees/IMG_2072_zpsfws2wrrv.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/JamesRees/media/IMG_2072_zpsfws2wrrv.jpg.html)

Thats my Carbon grey against my brothers White and it was just getting dark.
Great picture, the carbon grey looks especially nice :cool:

I love Austin alloys, they suit the Golf perfectly.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 12 February 2017, 20:18
thanks, not very often we get them together for a good pic. Maybe next time it will be 2 white cars. 1 R, 1 R line
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 12 February 2017, 20:19
That's one of the reasons to go back to silver but maybe white will be my colour of choice
When we were out this afternoon I noticed 4 white Golfs and 1 red. White just doesn't do it for me, but I really liked the red one :undecided: Though red is a dark colour and will blend in as the light fades.

"Blend in as the light fades"?? What does that mean? Can't say I've ever had too much difficulty spotting my car after dark :smiley:

I mean this

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/JamesRees/IMG_2072_zpsfws2wrrv.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/JamesRees/media/IMG_2072_zpsfws2wrrv.jpg.html)

Thats my Carbon grey against my brothers White and it was just getting dark.

I get your point, you're dicing with death leaving your darker coloured, unlit Golf in a car park (you might even not be able to spot it when returning back to the car park if the ambient light has dipped slightly, and be wandering the car park for several minutes until you walk into it). However, on the move, you should have your lights on and therefore be easily spotted by other road users.  :whistle:

If there were any significant and proven stats on certain coloured cars being far less likely to be seen in use and therefore far more dangerous, those colours would  be banned from being optioned.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 12 February 2017, 20:39
Please don't take this personally but what an absolute load of old bo****ks.
... so you refuse to see what was right before your eyes in that video? :rolleyes:

The fact is that dark cars are less noticeable especially at night and therefore more likely to be involved in an accident. Statistics support this fact!

There are more articles and videos here - https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl (https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl)

Get what you want, I just don't see that's a reason to choose one colour over another. When it's dark, you have your lights on, that's what they are for mostly, to make you more obvious to other road users. I'm sure by using statistics you could make a good case for not leaving your house :whistle:

As I said, don't take my comments personally, we all have our ways of choosing what we want and yours is no better or worse than any other, I just think the evidence is weak and it wouldn't sway my judgement. And the red is absolutely stunning when clean in the right light (so about 4 times a year...) :smiley:

(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah214/pete_caz/20160817_140817_zpshn1sv0ok.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/pete_caz/media/20160817_140817_zpshn1sv0ok.jpg.html)

Well I think it is :wink:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 20:52
Get what you want, I just don't see that's a reason to choose one colour over another. When it's dark, you have your lights on, that's what they are for mostly, to make you more obvious to other road users. I'm sure by using statistics you could make a good case for not leaving your house :whistle:
... sigh... if only we all had good roads to drive on.

Have you never had any near misses where you just didn't see the other car.

Your post above reminded me of this one... When I was leaving the house on the way to work, it was dusk and it was raining. At the end of the drive I looked left and right (into the tree tunnel) then pulled out onto the road. There was a black car with no lights on, right up my bumper! I had just pulled out in front of him because when I looked right I could not see his black car.

Since 2011 all cars have daylight running light. For good reason!

As I said before - a friend has a midnight blue Bora. He has no room on his drive so he parks it on the cul-de-sac. His sister-in-law reversed into it, my brother reversed into it and I didn't see it and nearly reversed into it. It is dam near invisible under street lights.

Our local roads are narrow and there are several 'hidden dips' like the photo below only without the sign, no road marking and narrow. Cars usually drive down the middle of the road and only pull over when/if they see me -

(http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/82/95/829523_4c8fc64f.jpg)

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 12 February 2017, 21:01
Get what you want, I just don't see that's a reason to choose one colour over another. When it's dark, you have your lights on, that's what they are for mostly, to make you more obvious to other road users. I'm sure by using statistics you could make a good case for not leaving your house :whistle:
... sigh... if only we all had good roads to drive on.

Have you never had any near misses where you just didn't see the other car.

Your post above reminded me of this one... When I was leaving the house on the way to work, it was dusk and it was raining. At the end of the drive I looked left and right (into the tree tunnel) then pulled out onto the road. There was a black car with no lights on, right up my bumper! I had just pulled out in front of him because when I looked right I could not see his black car.

Since 2011 all cars have daylight running light. For good reason!

As I said before - a friend has a midnight blue Bora. He has no room on his drive so he parks it on the cul-de-sac. His sister-in-law reversed into it, my brother reversed into it and I didn't see it and nearly reversed into it. It is dam near invisible under street lights.

Our local roads are narrow and there are several 'hidden dips' like the photo below only without the sign, no road marking and narrow. Cars usually drive down the middle of the road and only pull over when/if they see me -

(http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/82/95/829523_4c8fc64f.jpg)

Just get a red one, you know you want to :wink:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 12 February 2017, 21:04
thanks, not very often we get them together for a good pic. Maybe next time it will be 2 white cars. 1 R, 1 R line
It would be better if he bought a carbon grey one as well :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 21:09
As I said, don't take my comments personally, we all have our ways of choosing what we want and yours is no better or worse than any other, I just think the evidence is weak and it wouldn't sway my judgement. And the red is absolutely stunning when clean in the right light (so about 4 times a year...) :smiley:
Like I said - I really liked the red Golf GTI/GTD I saw earlier today. Red is a great colour for the Golf. My wife's Audi A3 is red.

During the day it is also a high contrast colour and highly visible. After all, fire engines and post vans are red. It still does not change the fact that it is dark colour. Unfortunately the human eye cannot distinguish colour in low light. We can only see light and dark.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 12 February 2017, 21:16
As I said, don't take my comments personally, we all have our ways of choosing what we want and yours is no better or worse than any other, I just think the evidence is weak and it wouldn't sway my judgement. And the red is absolutely stunning when clean in the right light (so about 4 times a year...) :smiley:
Like I said - I really liked the red Golf GTI/GTD I saw earlier today. Red is a great colour for the Golf. My wife's Audi A3 is red.

During the day it is also a high contrast colour and highly visible. After all, fire engines and post vans are red. It still does not change the fact that it is dark colour. Unfortunately the human eye cannot distinguish colour in low light. We can only see light and dark.

Fair enough, it's your money after all. Presumably then the Royal Mail most lose lots of vans to accidents in the winter months :rolleyes:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 21:18
It would be better if he bought a carbon grey one as well :whistle:
Black is my favourite colour, but too hard to keep clean :tongue:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 21:26
Fair enough, it's your money after all. Presumably then the Royal Mail most lose lots of vans to accidents in the winter months :rolleyes:
... sigh...

... but emergence vehicles are usually white with yellow, blue, orange or green reflective checkering because it is the most visible. And they have lots of flashing lights!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 12 February 2017, 21:33
What you've stated is just pi44 poor driving that's all!  As MH has said if any colours were more dangerous at night than others then every car would be white and you'd never be able to order black. If people can't see another road user then maybe they shouldn't be driving full stop. Pick the colour you want not what statistics say you should be having.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: master_hayabusa on 12 February 2017, 23:20
Most comprehensive review of the facelift GTi do date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dTrU4YfHM
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 23:28
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1288457/Black-cars-likely-involved-accidents.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1288457/Black-cars-likely-involved-accidents.html)

"A 20-year study revealed black cars to be the most dangerous - and white, gold and yellow to be the safest.

The reason lies not in who is behind the wheel, but in the visibility of their vehicle, say the researchers.

Black, grey, silver, red and blue fail to stand out against the background of the road, scenery and other traffic."

http://goodtogoinsurance.org/what-color-cars-get-in-the-most-accidents-might-surprise-you/ (http://goodtogoinsurance.org/what-color-cars-get-in-the-most-accidents-might-surprise-you/)

"According to numerous safety studies around the globe, black cars are about 50% more prone to getting into a vehicular crash. One study in Europe spanned 20 years and detailed over 800,000 car accidents and what colors had the highest crash rates.

This comprehensive study found black cars were repeatedly involved in more collisions than other colors. On the contrary, white vehicles seem to be the safest cars, as they stand out the most, especially at night. Other notably safe colored autos are yellow and gold. Many firefighting trucks are in fact painted yellow, so they are more visible to motorists and thus reduce collisions."

https://www.firerescue1.com/fire-products/fire-apparatus/articles/182707018-Why-are-fire-trucks-red/ (https://www.firerescue1.com/fire-products/fire-apparatus/articles/182707018-Why-are-fire-trucks-red/)

"Solomon and King concluded that red is a poorly detected color. They analyzed accident data from the Dallas Fire Department and found that crash-related incidents involving apparatus were three times greater for red or red and white fire trucks compared to lime-yellow and white trucks."



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 February 2017, 23:53
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/ferreed/v6irhohe6t_zpsa0d1b1ef.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 13 February 2017, 07:26
Well, you said it! ....but how does all that change in fog, where everyone has visibility problems, and most visibility related accidents occur?

I just don't think it's worth worrying! 🤔
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 13 February 2017, 07:44
Also, isn't that the point of modern DRL's - to make cars (of all colours) more visible ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 13 February 2017, 08:14
Most comprehensive review of the facelift GTi do date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dTrU4YfHM

Interesting video, but looking at the pro unit I don't think the gesture control seemed to work very well. Standard would be good enough for me.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 13 February 2017, 09:27

DNS (Standard for GTD/GTI/R)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guLKcV7o8kc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guLKcV7o8kc)

DNS Pro (1325 option)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gIDG9WBVY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gIDG9WBVY)

Interesting, thanks for that.

The basic one seems slightly better in MIB3, the Pro one does still have the edge if you have a spare 1300 quid knocking around though.

I noticed one new detail  - the VW 7.5 booklet said that you can't have the nav up on the active display and the MIB at the same time on Discovery Nav. Well, it seems that's exactly what they mean - you can have it on NavPro!

Gesture control - he was swiping right and the radio station selection was going left.... err ok VW, nice one!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 13 February 2017, 09:50
Also, isn't that the point of modern DRL's - to make cars (of all colours) more visible ?

Yes, but why don't DRL's also use tail lights? One of life's great mysteries!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 13 February 2017, 10:02
Well, you said it! ....but how does all that change in fog, where everyone has visibility problems, and most visibility related accidents occur?
I don't know about fog. However, I did read that people are 6 times more likely to have an accident in the winter. 3 times more likely to have an accident at night, even though we only do 1/4 of our driving at night. And 2 times more likely to be involved in a fatal accident at night i.e. accidents at night are likely to be more serious.

I have also read that too much alcohol is bad for your health. So after some serious though and consideration I have decided to give up reading  :smiley:

Now - back on topic.

That video is too long and needs editing. I skipped through most of it looking for GTI bits. At 8:50 it shows the GTD estate. I went onto the VW UK website and even the GTD estate is available in Tungsten Silver ffs :angry:

The GTI in the video, does look good in red :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 13 February 2017, 10:18
Also, isn't that the point of modern DRL's - to make cars (of all colours) more visible ?

Yes, but why don't DRL's also use tail lights? One of life's great mysteries!
... because, if you don't see a car and pull out in front of it, they are unlikely to reverse into you at high speed? :undecided: :grin:

I did read that DRLs will only reduce your chances of having an accident by 3%-5%.



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 13 February 2017, 13:31
Also, isn't that the point of modern DRL's - to make cars (of all colours) more visible ?

Yes, but why don't DRL's also use tail lights? One of life's great mysteries!

Some do, Volvo is one.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 13 February 2017, 14:04
Don't know if these reviews have been posted here, but:

Mk7.5 GTD Estate:

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/volkswagen/vw-golf-gtd-estate-2017-review/

Mk7.5 1.5 TSI (don't know which trim level):

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/volkswagen/vw-golf-15-tsi-evo-150-dsg-2017-review/

I don't think anyone here who has owned a Mk7 will find any surprises in their words TBH
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 13 February 2017, 16:42
Also, isn't that the point of modern DRL's - to make cars (of all colours) more visible ?

Yes, but why don't DRL's also use tail lights? One of life's great mysteries!

Some do, Volvo is one.

Yes, the VCDS setting that puts the tail lights on with DRL's is called the Scandinavian setting. It's mandatory up there. I've been intending to get that done since I got my first Mk 7 in 2014. Oh well!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 13 February 2017, 16:58

DNS (Standard for GTD/GTI/R)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guLKcV7o8kc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guLKcV7o8kc)

DNS Pro (1325 option)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gIDG9WBVY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gIDG9WBVY)

Gesture control - he was swiping right and the radio station selection was going left.... err ok VW, nice one!

***UPDATE*** that stupid swiping right is actually all of the gestures you can do with this system.

That's it.

No need to worry about doing something wrong when all you can do is lamely swipe sideways and then stare at the screen to see if you have managed to get the swipe correct whilst bouncing off of the central reservation, swerving across three lanes of traffic, the hard shoulder and finally driving up the embankment into the trees....

Its safer say VW...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 13 February 2017, 17:34
BMW got loads of flack when they brought out the iDrive controller thingy, but it gets praise now. The ever increasing complexity of car systems demands something like that. Touch screens and gesture control take too much attention from proper car control. Almost as bad as texting while driving!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 13 February 2017, 18:37
I believe BMW have said they will never have touch screen because they believe it to be dangerous...

I find it odd that audi don't use touch screen but other VAG do.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 13 February 2017, 19:30
Touch screens and gesture control take too much attention from proper car control. Almost as bad as texting while driving!

Totally agree Talk-torque. IMO the balance of buttons/touch screen functionality of the gen2 MIB units just about struck a good balance. I know that lots of manufacturers are going the touch screen route, but IMO this smacks of form over function for the sake of a 'clean' look. Also with the touch screen being quite low down in the Golf, taking your eyes off the road to access the various menus looks to be unavoidable. So yes, almost as bad as texting while driving.

I wonder what one of the new touch screen units would cost to replace out of warranty?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 13 February 2017, 20:57
Expensive I'd imagine,  I'm sure someone could look up the prices but well into thousands I'd guess as a spare.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: drisser on 13 February 2017, 23:43
Can honestly say the combination of BMW I drive with prof nav, and head up display is a long long way better than anything I have experienced from anyone else, including audi and virtual cockpit.

I don't know how many miles my 330d has  done because I Never look at the dash any more, the HUD gives you all you need - speed, cruise, phone book, I pod, full colour hi res sat nav directions, it's way safer than anything else, your eyes never leave the road, and combined with prof nav which you can easily navigate without looking down it really is head and shoulders above anything I have experienced before.

This gesture control bollocks is exactly that, a gimmick, filling a totally non existent gap in the market for another gadget that looks great in a showroom but has little practical use.  I really need to do a fly swat because it's so much effort to reach down .. Hmm

Wish manufacturers wouldn't meddle with stuff that works fine.. These sweeping indicator are just more of the same.. They looked cool on an R8 and wank on everything else that has them now from a mondeo to an audi q3 , I cringe when I see them.. I can just imagine the marketing meeting when someone said, you know these indicators we have today aren't doing the job anymore, let's make some new ones up.

How about spending the R&D budget on hardware and driving enjoyment not superficial crap.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 13 February 2017, 23:49
^^ well said  :laugh:

The gesture control thing is completely stupid imo.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 14 February 2017, 00:07
^^ well said  :laugh:

The gesture control thing is completely stupid imo.

^ +1. Makes Front Assist a really valuable feature when people are distracted by swiping and touching the screen, rather than focusing on the road ahead!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 14 February 2017, 09:51
Oh and also from the reviews I linked earlier, in case you haven't read them...

The ACC radar module is now hidden behind the badge on the front, so goodbye ugly hole on the Mk7.5.

I know several people talked about the Passat already having this and now so does the Golf.

Probably makes it less vulnerable to impacts, snow and rogue carrier bags now.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: MEZZA on 14 February 2017, 16:21
In the GTD Estate review,one of the accompanying photos shows a 3 door GTD alongside the Estate - can anyone
work out what the colour is - looks like it could be the new isaac blue,in which case it looks very nice indeed !
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 14 February 2017, 20:39
In the GTD Estate review,one of the accompanying photos shows a 3 door GTD alongside the Estate - can anyone
work out what the colour is - looks like it could be the new isaac blue,in which case it looks very nice indeed !
Here's an Isaac
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/volkswagen/golfgolf-sv/20-tdi-184-gtd-5dr/first-drive
What a crap name for the colour when the Germans call it an English name in the first place.

I think the one in the estate review background is Indium Grey.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: MEZZA on 14 February 2017, 20:55
Wow,thanks Exonian - I think that's a fantastic colour.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 February 2017, 21:00
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/16583287_1882175228694534_7573743890952355840_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTQ0NjU1OTY1NTk3ODUxOTEyMQ%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 14 February 2017, 21:09
Wow,thanks Exonian - I think that's a fantastic colour.

Isaac Blue; nice colour, even if it is a weird name! I think it would be on my shortlist. Reminds me of Graphite Blue on the mk5 and mk6 Golf.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 February 2017, 21:17
Here's an Isaac

I think the one in the estate review background is Indium Grey.
... are you sure?

This photo from that review looks like Indium to me -

(http://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/styles/fit_1960x1102/public/images/cars-road-test/carousel/2017/02/fae3231dafbf8861623f142d42639435/golf_gtd_hatch035.jpg?itok=pphQpYiU)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 14 February 2017, 21:44
Here's an Isaac

I think the one in the estate review background is Indium Grey.
... are you sure?

This photo from that review looks like Indium to me -

(http://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/styles/fit_1960x1102/public/images/cars-road-test/carousel/2017/02/fae3231dafbf8861623f142d42639435/golf_gtd_hatch035.jpg?itok=pphQpYiU)

Just configured a Golf GTI on the VW website. I know the colours in the configurator aren't a true representation of the actual colour, but based on an Isaac Blue and an Indium Grey Golf in the configurator, IMO the colour in the photo above looks much more like Isaac Blue than Indium Grey. Whichever of the two it is, I like it!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 14 February 2017, 21:52
Here's an Isaac

I think the one in the estate review background is Indium Grey.
... are you sure?

This photo from that review looks like Indium to me

Just configured a Golf GTI on the VW website. I know the colours in the configurator aren't a true representation of the actual colour, but based on an Isaac Blue and an Indium Grey Golf in the configurator, IMO the colour in the photo above looks much more like Isaac Blue than Indium Grey. Whichever of the two it is, I like it!

Indium grey Tiguan in this YouTube video;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib0lzsgEKXI

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 February 2017, 22:01
Just configured a Golf GTI on the VW website. I know the colours in the configurator aren't a true representation of the actual colour, but based on an Isaac Blue and an Indium Grey Golf in the configurator, IMO the colour in the photo above looks much more like Isaac Blue than Indium Grey. Whichever of the two it is, I like it!
I had to go have another look on my desktop monitor.

@Exonian - sorry, you are right :embarrassed:

@SRGTD - it is a fecking gorgeous colour. I believe the Germans call it Dark Iron Blue.

This photo is from the review also, and does look quite grey, even in my monitor! -

(http://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/styles/fit_1960x1102/public/images/cars-road-test/carousel/2017/02/fae3231dafbf8861623f142d42639435/golf_gtd_hatch039.jpg?itok=pXvEbjFE)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 14 February 2017, 22:10
Just configured a Golf GTI on the VW website. I know the colours in the configurator aren't a true representation of the actual colour, but based on an Isaac Blue and an Indium Grey Golf in the configurator, IMO the colour in the photo above looks much more like Isaac Blue than Indium Grey. Whichever of the two it is, I like it!
I had to go have another look on my desktop monitor.

@Exonian - sorry, you are right :embarrassed:

@SRGTD - it is a fecking gorgeous colour. I believe the Germans call it Dark Iron Blue.

Isaac Blue or Dark Iron Blue, I don't care what it's called; agree Daz Auto, it is a gorgeous colour. I think it would be my first choice if I was considering getting a mk7.5 GTI  :cool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 14 February 2017, 22:21
Just configured a Golf GTI on the VW website. I know the colours in the configurator aren't a true representation of the actual colour, but based on an Isaac Blue and an Indium Grey Golf in the configurator, IMO the colour in the photo above looks much more like Isaac Blue than Indium Grey. Whichever of the two it is, I like it!
I had to go have another look on my desktop monitor.

@Exonian - sorry, you are right :embarrassed:

@SRGTD - it is a fecking gorgeous colour. I believe the Germans call it Dark Iron Blue.

This photo is from the review also, and does look quite grey, even in my monitor! -

(http://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/styles/fit_1960x1102/public/images/cars-road-test/carousel/2017/02/fae3231dafbf8861623f142d42639435/golf_gtd_hatch039.jpg?itok=pXvEbjFE)

  :grin:

I looked at the pics on several different monitors myself then googled a load of Indium Sciroccos as it does look very ambiguous depending on which of the collection of photos you're looking at.

Why they had to rename it for the UK is anyone's guess, being as it's an English name on the German konfigurator.
If it had been Dunkel Eisen Blau (sp?) or something then it'd make a bit of giving us a more familiar sounding name that posh old ladies could walk in a dealership and pronounce.

Anyway Daz, Isaac and Indium will both be invisible in the dark!  :laugh:


As SR says though, it's very reminiscent of Graphite on the previous chassis generation cars.
:afro:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 14 February 2017, 22:49
Just another Carbon to me  :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 14 February 2017, 22:54
Here's the colours in the Irish brochure. Looks like its called Iron Blue here too.

Looks a bit like graphite blue alright. I had that colour in a MK5 GTI and it was really gorgeous... really looked well with the GTI red bits.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/joeA3/GTI/Screen%20Shot%202017-02-14%20at%2022.45.59_zpsu7kmmdxe.png) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/joeA3/media/GTI/Screen%20Shot%202017-02-14%20at%2022.45.59_zpsu7kmmdxe.png.html)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 February 2017, 23:05
Anyway Daz, Isaac and Indium will both be invisible in the dark!  :laugh:
Everything is invisible in the dark :tongue: :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 February 2017, 23:13
Here's the colours in the Irish brochure.
They get Tungsten Silver in Ireland! (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/ranting-smiley-face.gif)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 15 February 2017, 07:45
At least the Germans didn't call it "Iron Cross Blue". :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 15 February 2017, 07:51
Just another Carbon to me  :laugh:

Looks a lot bluer rather than green undertones - prefer blue/purple hues on a grey. Much prefered my Pewter Grey Scirocco to the Indium Grey that replaced the colour.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 15 February 2017, 09:28
Here's the colours in the Irish brochure. Looks like its called Iron Blue here too.

Looks a bit like graphite blue alright. I had that colour in a MK5 GTI and it was really gorgeous... really looked well with the GTI red bits.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/joeA3/GTI/Screen%20Shot%202017-02-14%20at%2022.45.59_zpsu7kmmdxe.png) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/joeA3/media/GTI/Screen%20Shot%202017-02-14%20at%2022.45.59_zpsu7kmmdxe.png.html)

That's just a sea of dull, dull, boring and dull with just one beacon of hope (red, just in case anyone was wondering) :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 15 February 2017, 10:31
I agree, its all very fifty shades of grey :(

When you look at the graphic with all of the colours on it, only the red and the lapiz blue standout to me.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 15 February 2017, 12:05
I agree, its all very fifty shades of grey :(

When you look at the graphic with all of the colours on it, only the red and the lapiz blue standout to me.
... at the risk of derailing this thread again...

Some of my work involves digital light projectors and information display screens. One of the things I have had to learn about is contrast and the effects of ambient light. Customers would complain that they could not read their display screens very well. I had to point out that blue text on a grey background might look really cool on a computer screen in a relatively dark office, but was not at all suitable for a display screen in a brightly light reception area.

... my point is that white cars are not going to stand out against a white background. If the background colour was black you would find that the white cars would stand out the most.

Red will only stand out when there is lots of light. Go to any car park during daylight and the red cars will really stand out. Go to a car park at night and it will be hard to distinguish red cars from black cars. Unless the car park has good lighting or you are really close to them.

I agree that people should just buy the colour they like. However, I have had that phone call we all dread... "There's been an accident..." Thankfully my wife was ok when someone didn't see her and pulled out of a junction :angry: It was just her car that went to the great scrapyard in the sky. For the record - it was a silver Polo and it was daylight.

There was a man, woman and baby in the other car. They were all fine too. The woman claimed for personal injury for herself and the baby. Even though the baby slept through the whole thing :rolleyes:



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 15 February 2017, 12:18
I didn't mean standout as in "you'll never be seen driving that and everyone will crash into you".... I just meant that the red and lapiz blue were attractive colours to me vs all of the conservative (with a small c) colours.

The others all feel (to me) like they were all pretty "safe" and really not exactly a "colour" choice at all.

Just me I guess though probably. Nobody else liked my idea of a purple R :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 15 February 2017, 12:25
I believe BMW have said they will never have touch screen because they believe it to be dangerous...

Anyone seen the advert on the TV for the new 5 series...

Watch it and tell me that that is not a touch screen they show... I know its still got Idrive but...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: ashley6285 on 15 February 2017, 12:58
I believe BMW have said they will never have touch screen because they believe it to be dangerous...

Anyone seen the advert on the TV for the new 5 series...

Watch it and tell me that that is not a touch screen they show... I know its still got Idrive but...

Yes, definitely touch screen. Also features in the latest Mini Clubman and Countryman too.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 15 February 2017, 18:12
Only colour for me from the UK pallette, as it stands, is Oryx, even at the premium price. Surely there's a space in there for Tungsten and/or Limestone. I reckon there will be a lot of pressure for a little more choice. As said, nothing stands out and there should be stand out colours for a stand out car!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Fabio Bignose on 15 February 2017, 18:18
Joe,

Where did u get that new brochure?

I cant see it on the VW website?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jv on 15 February 2017, 18:25
Imagine the hell you could cause with a near silent Tesla in one of these statistically terrible colours. Be like it's wearing a cloak of invisibility. Death and destruction everywhere. And so hard to find where you left it. Nightmare.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 15 February 2017, 18:41
Joe,

Where did u get that new brochure?

I cant see it on the VW website?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B98cW3jIxs-lb0VyM19Bb0pwcFk
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 15 February 2017, 19:23
See the Black Rubin in that brochure is Metallic and not Solid, like we get in the UK.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: monkeyhanger on 15 February 2017, 20:27
Joe,

Where did u get that new brochure?

I cant see it on the VW website?

You can't see it because it's grey and the lighting on your viewing device is low. VW should have gone with a white front page.  :whistle: :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 15 February 2017, 20:56
Imagine the hell you could cause with a near silent Tesla in one of these statistically terrible colours. Be like it's wearing a cloak of invisibility. Death and destruction everywhere. And so hard to find where you left it. Nightmare.
(http://i1.cpcache.com/product_zoom/613114107/star_trek_quotcloaking_devicequot_bum_bumper_bumper_sticker.jpg?height=250&width=250&padToSquare=true)

 :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Damion on 15 February 2017, 21:03
On the Irish info it pushes the R road tax in manual to the €750 a year bracket, and states its only 0.1 second faster than the GTI.

The digital dash is standard, I wonder if you can opt out?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 15 February 2017, 21:14
The digital dash is standard, I wonder if you can opt out?
Check the brochure. There is a no cost option to remove the £499 digital dash, in the UK version  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: davyk31 on 16 February 2017, 12:17
Haven't seen the digital dash yet but why would someone want to remove it? My thinking is that its a more modern look.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 16 February 2017, 12:20
Haven't seen the digital dash yet but why would someone want to remove it? My thinking is that its a more modern look.

There are always haters when new stuff comes along.

People hate electric windows/electric handbrake/auto lights etc etc etc
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: davyk31 on 16 February 2017, 12:22
Assume the digital dash is now standard on both the new GTD and GTi?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 16 February 2017, 12:32
Yes it is standard
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 16 February 2017, 12:44
Whether you like the digital dash or not, I think you'd be absolutely nuts to actually spec for it's removal.

Come resale time, it will be expected that the car of that age/generation would have it...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 16 February 2017, 12:59
Haven't seen the digital dash yet but why would someone want to remove it? My thinking is that its a more modern look.
... some people would rather not be looking at another computer screen :undecided:

The digital dash was not on my options list. However, I would only delete it if it was saving £499.

To paraphrase one of the reviews - the Mk7 Golf facelift is a Holy Trinity of stupid gimmickry - digital dash, gesture control and LED lights.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jv on 16 February 2017, 13:15
Give it a few years and a 7.1 with 'retro analogue classic instrumentation' with be 'rare' and worth more.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 16 February 2017, 13:51
Give it a few years and a 7.1 with 'retro analogue classic instrumentation' with be 'rare' and worth more.

That's what I was thinking too. I'm sure they are but hopefully they are better made than the digi dash that was in my wife's ur Quattro I could count the amount of times it played up but I don't think I have enough fingers and toes.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 18 February 2017, 00:25
German review - I don't understand a word, but...

4:15mins for 20 seconds and 8:22 on...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJjPC4yNtwo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJjPC4yNtwo)

Dam it, that's nice... we may have 2 red cars in our garage this year :cool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 18 February 2017, 00:28
English review -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jckjlK0y44k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jckjlK0y44k)

Edit: GTI review @8:20...  :cool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 19 February 2017, 20:46
Some more facelift GTI reviews -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5JRKO6DmZo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5JRKO6DmZo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h8ZTBDZcnU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h8ZTBDZcnU)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 02 March 2017, 08:51
New data for the PP 245 :).... ( in swedish ;) ).

But loooks nice...

I will order one next week :)


Bränsleförbrukning och CO2-utsläpp
Bensin 95 oktan (Primärt bränsle)
Stadskörning 8,20 l/100km
Landsvägskörning 5,20 l/100km
Blandad körning 6,30 l/100km
CO2-utsläpp 144 g/km

Övriga tekniska data
Miljöklass EURO 6 W
Bränsle Bensin 95 oktan
Tankvolym 50 l

Drivlina
Växellåda 7 vxl DSG
Drivsystem Framhjulsdrift

Motor
Cylindervolym 2.0 / 1.984 cm³
Max vridmoment 370 Nm / 1600 - 4300 1/min
Effekt vid/varvtal per min 180 kW (245 hk) / -

Mått/Vikter
Toppfart 250 km/h
Acceleration 0-80 / 0-100 km/h 4,8 s / 6,2 s
Styrsystem Elektromekanisk styrservo m. Servotronic
Vändcirkel 10.900 mm
Axelavstånd 2.626 mm
Spårvidd fram min / max 1.533 mm / 1.549 mm
Spårvidd bak min /max 1.503 mm / 1.521 mm
Höjd med öppen baklucka 1.996 mm
Tjänstevikt 1.437 kg
Totalvikt 1.900 kg
Max lastförmåga 426 - 550 kg
Max Taklast 75 kg
Maximalt tillåten släpvagnsvikt 1.600 kg
Längd min / Längd max 4.268 mm /4.362 mm
Bredd min / Bredd max 1.790 mm / 1.799 mm
Höjd max. 1.482 mm
Interiörhöjd fram max (från säte) 1.018 mm
Interiörbredd fram 1.469 mm
Interiörbredd bak 1.440 mm
Interiörhöjd bak (från säte) 967 mm

Bagageutrymme
Längd nedfällt säte 1.558 mm
Bredd mellan hjulhusen 1.003 mm
Volym max. 1.270 l

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 02 March 2017, 09:25
Just ordered a GTD MK7.5 to replace my Mk7 GTD.

Still struggling to decide on which colour..
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 02 March 2017, 10:00
Just ordered a GTD MK7.5 to replace my Mk7 GTD.

Still struggling to decide on which colour..

 :grin: I have the same problem.... Must decide this weekend.

Is hard when you can´t se the colors live..

I want to see better picturs on Atlantic blue on a Golf ;)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: clubsport on 02 March 2017, 10:13
A short Autocar video released yesterday..

"If it ain't broke...etc!" :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwNjSOUdKAs
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: TonyJ on 02 March 2017, 12:11
Just ordered a GTD MK7.5 to replace my Mk7 GTD.

Still struggling to decide on which colour..

 :grin: I have the same problem.... Must decide this weekend.

Is hard when you can´t se the colors live..

I want to see better picturs on Atlantic blue on a Golf ;)


I have an Atlantic Blue GTD on order - due to be built w/c 13/3.
I'll post some pics when it arrives, if anyone's interested ...
But I agree - it's hard to choose a colour when you haven't seen it in the flesh - but decided to go for a colour rather than the usual grey/silver etc.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Clubsport_Griff on 02 March 2017, 15:41
As far as I am aware the 'facelift' doesn't include much more than some options becoming standard and a virtual dash :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 02 March 2017, 15:56
As far as I am aware the 'facelift' doesn't include much more than some options becoming standard and a virtual dash :)

Different wheels, different colours, different lights front and rear, different body kit, new 7 speed DSG, new onboard electronics (collision avoidance etc), MIB3...

Its more than change than you imagine.

Same body shell, same engines, same running gear but quite a lot has been changed.

Given that MQB is going to be with us for at least the Mk8, this is about as much as I'd expect to see changed at this stage. Mk8 is now projected for when? Maybe 4 years from now?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 02 March 2017, 16:41
Given that MQB is going to be with us for at least the Mk8, this is about as much as I'd expect to see changed at this stage. Mk8 is now projected for when? Maybe 4 years from now?
A lot of people are expecting the Mk8 in 2019 - just two years away. I guess that's part of the reason why we have the facelift car, so VW can get away from the usual 5 year refresh cycle.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 02 March 2017, 16:47
As far as I am aware the 'facelift' doesn't include much more than some options becoming standard and a virtual dash :)
There are a few style changes and a lot of tech changes.

- new front lights
- new tail lights with dynamic/sweeping indicators
- new alloys
- radar now inside the front VW badge = no hole in the front grill
- new active info display
- new dash
- power up to 245hp (and maybe 370N/m torque)
- new 7-speed DSG option


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 02 March 2017, 16:52
New data for the PP 245 :).... ( in swedish ;) ).

Motor
Cylindervolym 2.0 / 1.984 cm³
Max vridmoment 370 Nm / 1600 - 4300 1/min
Effekt vid/varvtal per min 180 kW (245 hk) / -

Mått/Vikter
Toppfart 250 km/h
Acceleration 0-80 / 0-100 km/h 4,8 s / 6,2 s
... so 370Nm torque confirmed.

... and a 'toppfart' of 250 :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 02 March 2017, 17:20
So here are the fuel economy figures -

GTI Performance pack (translated from Swedish) -

6-speed manual
City driving  8.7 = 32.5mpg
Extra Urban 5.4 = 52.3mpg
Combined    6.6 = 42.8mpg

7-speed DSG
City driving  8.2 = 34.4mpg
Extra Urban 5.2 = 54.3mpg
Combined    6.3 = 44.8mpg

GTI -

6-speed manual (from the UK website)
Urban          = 36.2mpg
Extra Urban = 51.4mpg
Combined    = 44.1mpg

6-speed DSG
Urban          = 34.4mpg
Extra Urban = 52.3mpg
Combined    = 44.1mpg

Edit: Updated figures
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 02 March 2017, 17:38
So DSG-7 is a little better at extra urban... in other words 7th gear is overdrive...

I guess you'd need more than 7 cogs to make it truly more effecient, something like a BMW 8 speed and then put 6 of those to cover the first 40mph or something.

I should point out - on a BMW their auto box is more efficient than manual 6 speed... something which seems to elude VW.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 02 March 2017, 20:58
So here are the fuel economy figures -

7-speed DSG (translated form Swedish)
City driving 8.2 l / 100km
Extra Urban 5.2 l / 100km
Combined: 6.3 l / 100km

6-speed manual/DSG (translated from German)
Cities 8.2 - 7.8
Outside 5.5 - 5.3
Combined 6.4 - 6.3

Edit: I am confused by figures. It appears that the numbers on the first page of the German Konfigurator are different from the information provided for the gearbox selection pages. I don't have time to check this now.

I found this table in a Golf GTI Facelift Czech brochure.

(http://image.prntscr.com/image/cf0e629586024cf588063fd8420d73d0.png)

Manual is the same at 6.4 litres/100km, DSG 6 Speed 6.4 litres/100km and DSG 7 Speed 7 litres/100km.

VW are well known to have inaccuracies in their literature so I suppose these are subject to change.

Source. (https://cdn.volkswagen.cz/media/Kwc_Basic_DownloadTag_Component/22028_brochures-52050-child-download-downloadTag/default/cb72815a/1485253428/golf-gti-cenik.pdf)

EDIT: It appears that there is an error with the manual performance PS figure, it's the same as the non-performance. More proof not to trust these brochures :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 05 March 2017, 12:40
Just order a GTI PP in Indium Grey :)

Now just wait.. :laugh

http://app.volkswagen.se/ihdcc/sv/configurator.html#summary/30315/34026/BQ19VE$GPDAPDA$GPF3PF3$GPH2PH2$MSNRS36$GWW1WW1$GW4BW4B/2017/0/F14 X3X3/F56     TW/GPDDPDD,GPJDPJD,GPS1PS1,GPXAPXA,GW14W14,GW17W17,GWL4WL4,MAHV1D4,MASE6XQ,MASGEA3,MEPH7X5,MKSUKA1,MNES8WH,MSNRSB3,MSSH4KF,MWSS4GW/+/+ (http://app.volkswagen.se/ihdcc/sv/configurator.html#summary/30315/34026/BQ19VE$GPDAPDA$GPF3PF3$GPH2PH2$MSNRS36$GWW1WW1$GW4BW4B/2017/0/F14 X3X3/F56     TW/GPDDPDD,GPJDPJD,GPS1PS1,GPXAPXA,GW14W14,GW17W17,GWL4WL4,MAHV1D4,MASE6XQ,MASGEA3,MEPH7X5,MKSUKA1,MNES8WH,MSNRSB3,MSSH4KF,MWSS4GW/+/+)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 March 2017, 11:08
I'm sure most people already know this, but I didn't realise that the Xenons have been replaced with LED headlights.

Was just looking at the pricelist brochure and the GTI/GTD/R have - "LED headlights with dynamic curve lighting"

I was driving a Merc at the weekend with fixed LED headlights. I was impressed with the brightness. However, on a single lane country road with 3 right angle bends, I missed the "curve lighting" that is on both our current cars.

Is "Dynamic Light Assist" the same option as the Audi Matrix headlights - "LED headlights with Dynamic Light Assist. Automatic sensors detect other road users and mask part of the main beam headlights appropriately. Only in conjunction with Lane Assist"

Though it will cost £310 + £630 with Lane assist. :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 06 March 2017, 11:33
Yes, the Dynamic Light Assist was previously available and uses shutters to mask main beam from other oncoming traffic rather than dip it.

It wasn't a very popular option on the Mk7 because it was expensive - and at ~£1k it still is!

You know that you get bendy LED lights still as standard yes?

Just been having a look at the configurator and it seems they have taken some stuff away since the 7.5 launch, which is weird. They were offering about 3 or 4 combinations of lane assist, light assist and rear assist, now they are gone!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 March 2017, 12:10
Yes, the Dynamic Light Assist was previously available and uses shutters to mask main beam from other oncoming traffic rather than dip it.

It wasn't a very popular option on the Mk7 because it was expensive - and at ~£1k it still is!

You know that you get bendy LED lights still as standard yes?
... was the previous DLA a Xenon or LED tech?

I can see why the price would put people off. However, Dynamic Light Assist sounds really good. I was wondering if it is the same as Audis Matrix LED system as people on the forums think it is really good.

As we live in a rural location I think it would be a big improvement for night time driving. Yeah, yeah, I know we would be missing the traditional night time driving experience. On our narrow roads there would be less being blinded by oncoming traffic. Less braking and squinting. Less listening for the sound the wing mirror hitting the hedge and scraping down the side of the car. Less listening for the sound of muck hitting the side of the car to be sure I'm over far enough. And hopefully less muck up the side of the car as a result.

... I was joking with my wife at the weekend that one of my hobbies is trying to keep her car clean. I keep checking if there are any stages of the Rally World Championship near us as I'm sure she uses those roads (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/ranting-smiley-face.gif)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 March 2017, 12:27
Just been having a look at the configurator and it seems they have taken some stuff away since the 7.5 launch, which is weird. They were offering about 3 or 4 combinations of lane assist, light assist and rear assist, now they are gone!
Yeah, I thought that standard High Beam Assist was an option. Though it was not an option for the GTD/GTI/R in the brochure.  :huh: Maybe I was looking at another model :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 March 2017, 12:44
I was reading that Road Sign Recognition can automatically tell ACC to adjust the speed of the car. I wonder will the Golf have this setting :cool:

There was also some information about Laser headlights that are being developed by Audi. Apparently it can give increased illumination to verges and road markings. It can also show 2 lines on the road to indicate the direction of your car.

I wonder could it draw a white line down the middle of a country road. So other drivers know where their side of the road is!  :angry:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 06 March 2017, 13:24
Just been having a look at the configurator and it seems they have taken some stuff away since the 7.5 launch, which is weird. They were offering about 3 or 4 combinations of lane assist, light assist and rear assist, now they are gone!
Yeah, I thought that standard High Beam Assist was an option. Though it was not an option for the GTD/GTI/R in the brochure.  :huh: Maybe I was looking at another model :undecided:

It definitely was there previously, but now its listed as a £300 item and then when you click it, it wants to add Dynamic Beam and Lane Assist... what was a £150 option is now a grand... thanks VW.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 06 March 2017, 13:25
Yes, the Dynamic Light Assist was previously available and uses shutters to mask main beam from other oncoming traffic rather than dip it.

It wasn't a very popular option on the Mk7 because it was expensive - and at ~£1k it still is!

You know that you get bendy LED lights still as standard yes?

... was the previous DLA a Xenon or LED tech?

Xenon. The Mk7 didn't have LED fronts.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 06 March 2017, 18:06
Yes, the Dynamic Light Assist was previously available and uses shutters to mask main beam from other oncoming traffic rather than dip it.

It wasn't a very popular option on the Mk7 because it was expensive - and at ~£1k it still is!

You know that you get bendy LED lights still as standard yes?

... was the previous DLA a Xenon or LED tech?

Xenon. The Mk7 didn't have LED fronts.

GTE did.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 March 2017, 18:49
It definitely was there previously, but now its listed as a £300 item and then when you click it, it wants to add Dynamic Beam and Lane Assist... what was a £150 option is now a grand... thanks VW.
High Beam Assist is still a £145 option on the SE/GT/GTE and R-Line.

Dynamic Light Assist is a much more advanced system. I'm not sure what functionality the Golf system will have. Though I was reading that the Audi system can track up to 8 vehicles. Dim illumination of road signs so that they do not dazzle drivers trying to read them. Identify pedestrians and blink the light directed at them to make them more aware of the car and the driver more aware of the pedestrians.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 06 March 2017, 19:25
It definitely was there previously, but now its listed as a £300 item and then when you click it, it wants to add Dynamic Beam and Lane Assist... what was a £150 option is now a grand... thanks VW.
High Beam Assist is still a £145 option on the SE/GT/GTE and R-Line.

Dynamic Light Assist is a much more advanced system. I'm not sure what functionality the Golf system will have. Though I was reading that the Audi system can track up to 8 vehicles. Dim illumination of road signs so that they do not dazzle drivers trying to read them. Identify pedestrians and blink the light directed at them to make them more aware of the car and the driver more aware of the pedestrians.

There is/was high beam assist and active high beam assist. I had the active one in my cc. Basically when meeting cars or behind cars at night the main full beam was left on and the car put a shadow around the car you're meeting or driving behind.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 March 2017, 19:38
The fixed LED headlights on the Mercedes I was driving, looked identical to the LED lights I saw on the new Tiguan at the dealers. Both the Merc and the VW look like the single Xenon Glass dome until switched on. Then the individual LEDs lights become visible. The Audi Matrix LED systems look different to me.

Here is a video of the Mercedes Multibeam LED  :cool: -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OJjvYPV3oc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OJjvYPV3oc)

Edit:

Here is another one -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt3S-THp4IU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt3S-THp4IU)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 06 March 2017, 23:40
I think the matrix system is more advanced still.

Remember Audi get the latest VAG tech first, then it trickles down...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 07 March 2017, 00:02
I think the matrix system is more advanced still.
... it does not look more advanced in any of the videos I've watched :undecided:

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 07 March 2017, 07:38
One thing I do know is that nobody in your dealership and nobody on the VW UK helpline will be able to provide detailed information as to what the system is or what its limitations may or may not be.

The only way you are likely to find out is:

1) drop the cash yourself and see...

2) hope someone else on here does it and then writes it up.

This is exactly the same as lots of the Mk7 kit...

It wouldn't be so bad if it was a cheap thing, but for a grand? I'd want more info!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 07 March 2017, 08:25
This is how the system works in the Mk7 and is the same as in my cc.

https://youtu.be/11PbenBRVjk

I'm sure the Mk7.5 will work the same or very similar except it uses led bulbs.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 07 March 2017, 08:40
I dropped the LED "upgrades" from my GTD order.  Just couldn't justify almost a £1000 for something that no-one can really describe properly and would only (obviously) benefit from when night driving.

The standard LED lights on the GTD/GTi should be an upgrade from the current Xenons anyway. 


My order is with the factory and waiting for a build date.  Still can't decide on colour, have gone for another Tornado Red, but would really fancy a change.  Think I may go for the Isaac Blue have a couple of weeks to decide.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 07 March 2017, 15:38
For those that don't venture over into "the other place" have a gander here:
http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/18821-mk75-is-here/

They've started arriving so keep an eye on your local dealer.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 07 March 2017, 17:57
For those that don't venture over into "the other place" have a gander here:
http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/18821-mk75-is-here/

They've started arriving so keep an eye on your local dealer.

That has to be a demo car surely, the order books only opened on the 1st Feb. I hope mine arrives with 5 weeks :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 07 March 2017, 18:14
Do you reckon there are front fog lights in the new fins?

My dealer said they are expecting demo vehicles on / after 20th March.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 07 March 2017, 18:52
I would guess so, but maybe the leds have a combo fog capability?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 07 March 2017, 19:21
Do you reckon there are front fog lights in the new fins?

What else would the lights be other than fogs?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 07 March 2017, 19:26
Do you reckon there are front fog lights in the new fins?

What else would the lights be other than fogs?

....but it's not clear, from the photo, whether there are lights behind the fins at all. Recken there will be, butI think that was the question.  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 07 March 2017, 19:39
There are definitely lights behind the fins.

(http://image.prntscr.com/image/a129e2236c374f128f78661d33d478a9.png)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 07 March 2017, 20:31
Presumably the front indicators are now also led's? Looks like they must be just a narrow band along the bottom of the headlight unit, like the Mk7 R.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 07 March 2017, 20:50
Presumably the front indicators are now also led's? Looks like they must be just a narrow band along the bottom of the headlight unit, like the Mk7 R.

No, the indicator and the front LED use the same "bulb" / led strip. I saw it on one of the FL videos, looked pretty cool.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 07 March 2017, 21:05
Indicators:

(http://image.prntscr.com/image/103c7ed17cbe4f16ad1185def12ce985.png)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 07 March 2017, 23:01
Do you reckon there are front fog lights in the new fins?

What else would the lights be other than fogs?

....but it's not clear, from the photo, whether there are lights behind the fins at all. Recken there will be, butI think that was the question.  :smiley:

Thanks Talk Torque & hog_hedge for the confirmation of this.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 08 March 2017, 06:45
Presumably the front indicators are now also led's? Looks like they must be just a narrow band along the bottom of the headlight unit, like the Mk7 R.

Did you not look at and of the videos of the facelift on here? Most show the cars indicators and fog light or did you think the UK cars could be different?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 08 March 2017, 07:09
Presumably the front indicators are now also led's? Looks like they must be just a narrow band along the bottom of the headlight unit, like the Mk7 R.

Did you not look at and of the videos of the facelift on here? Most show the cars indicators and fog light or did you think the UK cars could be different?

Ouch! Sorry, I haven't been paying attention like I should.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 08 March 2017, 08:32
Presumably the front indicators are now also led's? Looks like they must be just a narrow band along the bottom of the headlight unit, like the Mk7 R.

Did you not look at and of the videos of the facelift on here? Most show the cars indicators and fog light or did you think the UK cars could be different?

Ouch! Sorry, I haven't been paying attention like I should.  :embarrassed:

I was having a go at you, I was just asking.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 08 March 2017, 10:26
Presumably the front indicators are now also led's? Looks like they must be just a narrow band along the bottom of the headlight unit, like the Mk7 R.

Did you not look at and of the videos of the facelift on here? Most show the cars indicators and fog light or did you think the UK cars could be different?

Ouch! Sorry, I haven't been paying attention like I should.  :embarrassed:

I was having a go at you, I was just asking.

Honest to admit you were having a go at him  :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 08 March 2017, 11:44
Presumably the front indicators are now also led's? Looks like they must be just a narrow band along the bottom of the headlight unit, like the Mk7 R.

Did you not look at and of the videos of the facelift on here? Most show the cars indicators and fog light or did you think the UK cars could be different?

Ouch! Sorry, I haven't been paying attention like I should.  :embarrassed:

I was having a go at you, I was just asking.

Honest to admit you were having a go at him  :grin:

I wasn't, that is why I put question marks at the end of both questions!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 08 March 2017, 12:53
Presumably the front indicators are now also led's? Looks like they must be just a narrow band along the bottom of the headlight unit, like the Mk7 R.

Did you not look at and of the videos of the facelift on here? Most show the cars indicators and fog light or did you think the UK cars could be different?

Ouch! Sorry, I haven't been paying attention like I should.  :embarrassed:

I was having a go at you, I was just asking.

Honest to admit you were having a go at him  :grin:

I wasn't, that is why I put question marks at the end of both questions!

I know you weren't, I was jesting. Read your last statement
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 08 March 2017, 13:53
It's so annoying to log on hoping to find new info on the GTI just to find useless twaddle like this!!! Why bother? Please give some interesting info or find a (chat) room!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Gnasher on 08 March 2017, 14:15
It's so annoying to log on hoping to find new info on the GTI just to find useless twaddle like this!!! Why bother? Please give some interesting info or find a (chat) room!

Or alternatively just scroll past it - If it annoys you that much then surely your post simply adds to the problem for everyone else (as does mine but I'm not the one moaning about it).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: matchboy on 08 March 2017, 14:51
It's so annoying to log on hoping to find new info on the GTI just to find useless twaddle like this!!! Why bother? Please give some interesting info or find a (chat) room!

Or why don't we ignore you and your moaning given that you have a grand total of 3 posts on this forum - the people who are having some banter are regular posters who have helped out loads of users over the years, so maybe keep quiet.

Also, the irony that you are moaning about useless twaddle yet post useless twaddle  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 08 March 2017, 15:43
 :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 08 March 2017, 16:56
 It's the little things in life, isn't it?   :wink:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 08 March 2017, 17:38
Back on track..

Here's a video on the new active info dials of a 0-100km/h run with and without launch control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=446Vtw_moWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=446Vtw_moWI)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 08 March 2017, 22:00
Presumably the front indicators are now also led's? Looks like they must be just a narrow band along the bottom of the headlight unit, like the Mk7 R.

Did you not look at and of the videos of the facelift on here? Most show the cars indicators and fog light or did you think the UK cars could be different?

Ouch! Sorry, I haven't been paying attention like I should.  :embarrassed:

I was having a go at you, I was just asking.

Honest to admit you were having a go at him  :grin:

I wasn't, that is why I put question marks at the end of both questions!

I know you weren't, I was jesting. Read your last statement

Sorry, I took your post up wrong but you did say honest to admit you were having a go at him. I guess I'm just a bit pissed off with all the crap over my car and to make it worse I was putting diesel in it tonight and coming out after paying for it the car looked so dam good in night blue.



Dam blast now I have just contributed to the twaddle.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 09 March 2017, 11:50
I've just been fiddling with the configurator and now it has some different things.

(Looking at the GTD) it now offers under "extras" a front spoiler for £367 and a rear spoiler for £393.

The car already has front and rear spoilers.... wtf?

Configurator spazz out?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 09 March 2017, 13:07
VW aren't very good at showing the correct model-specific options within the configurator, some of the options shown are generic to all models and some aren't even relevant to certain models.

I've just checked the configurator for my Polo GTI. It also shows an optional tailgate spoiler when the car already has one (to be fair, it does look a different design to the standard one). It also shows as options door sill trims (not required as already fitted), mud flaps (can't be fitted, due to GTI-specific bumper/sill profile) and the flexible load liner for the lower boot floor position (no lower position in the Polo GTI, due to battery location).

Whether it's possible to fit the mk7.5 Golf optional front / rear spoilers shown in the configurator to the GTD is anyone's guess; they look different to the standard offerings but would you really want to spend £760 on these, and then pay extra for fitting and painting?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 09 March 2017, 13:34
No, I wasn't interested really, just pointing out the crapness of the situation :)

Who would buy something like that with a hidden extra painting/fitting cost is bizarre.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 09 March 2017, 16:08
The app configurator is even more hopelessly out of touch. What good is a system you can't depend on. Both configurators have obviously been updated since Mk7.5, but badly!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 10 March 2017, 08:58
Ordered my facelift on the 23rd Feb and have just received confirmation of my build week, 3rd April :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 10 March 2017, 09:04
Ordered my facelift on the 23rd Feb and have just received confirmation of my build week, 3rd April :laugh:
That's pretty good. You should have it for May.

Which model and options did you order?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 10 March 2017, 09:09
That's pretty good. You should have it for May.

Which model and options did you order?

GTI 3 Door DSG Pure White, Brescias, Reverse Camera, 90% tints and Dynaudio. Short and sweet :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 10 March 2017, 10:23
Ordered my facelift on the 23rd Feb and have just received confirmation of my build week, 3rd April :laugh:

Oh thats good news.  Ordered my GTD on the 28th Feb - Showing currently "with factory"

Really would like it by the middle of May, looks promising if it follows the same timeline as yours.


:)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: TonyJ on 10 March 2017, 10:48
Ordered my facelift on the 23rd Feb and have just received confirmation of my build week, 3rd April :laugh:

Oh thats good news.  Ordered my GTD on the 28th Feb - Showing currently "with factory"

Really would like it by the middle of May, looks promising if it follows the same timeline as yours.


:)

Ordered mine on Feb 6th
Appeared on the tracker as Stage 1 (Processing order) on Feb 7th
Appeared on the tracker as Stage 2 (With factory) on Feb 8th
Appeared on the tracker as Stage 3 (BW confirmed) on Feb 20th
Build week is week commencing March 13th  ..... so next week !!!!

Ordered GTD, 5 door manual, Atlantic Blue, Keyless
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 10 March 2017, 10:57
Ordered my facelift on the 23rd Feb and have just received confirmation of my build week, 3rd April :laugh:

Oh thats good news.  Ordered my GTD on the 28th Feb - Showing currently "with factory"

Really would like it by the middle of May, looks promising if it follows the same timeline as yours.


:)

Ordered mine on Feb 6th
Appeared on the tracker as Stage 1 (Processing order) on Feb 7th
Appeared on the tracker as Stage 2 (With factory) on Feb 8th
Appeared on the tracker as Stage 3 (BW confirmed) on Feb 20th
Build week is week commencing March 13th  ..... so next week !!!!

Ordered GTD, 5 door manual, Atlantic Blue, Keyless

Is keyless an option now?

Is it available on the 3 door again anyone know?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 10 March 2017, 13:16
Is keyless an option now?

Is it available on the 3 door again anyone know?
From the facelift Golf brochure -

"Keyless entry 5-door only. Including Start/Stop button on centre console"

Unless they have updated it recently. :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 10 March 2017, 14:43
It's a bummer that you can't spec keyless on a 3 door or I would have put it on mine :sad:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 10 March 2017, 15:12
It's a bummer that you can't spec keyless on a 3 door or I would have put it on mine :sad:
I see it was not an option on the original Mk7 3 door for some reason.

I was in a Golf recently that had keyless. The guy who had it out on loan thought keyless was gimmicky. He didn't see the point in it.

I thought it was a cool feature and added to the experience. So it is on my options list. :cool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 10 March 2017, 15:16
Is keyless an option now?

Is it available on the 3 door again anyone know?
From the facelift Golf brochure -

"Keyless entry 5-door only. Including Start/Stop button on centre console"

Unless they have updated it recently. :undecided:

Is keyless standard on the GTD/I still?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: TonyJ on 10 March 2017, 15:44
Is keyless an option now?

Is it available on the 3 door again anyone know?
From the facelift Golf brochure -

"Keyless entry 5-door only. Including Start/Stop button on centre console"

Unless they have updated it recently. :undecided:

Is keyless standard on the GTD/I still?

No, an option. £325, I think, but only available on 5 door models. It was standard before the facelift
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 10 March 2017, 15:59
It's a bummer that you can't spec keyless on a 3 door or I would have put it on mine :sad:
I see it was not an option on the original Mk7 3 door for some reason.

I was in a Golf recently that had keyless. The guy who had it out on loan thought keyless was gimmicky. He didn't see the point in it.

I thought it was a cool feature and added to the experience. So it is on my options list. :cool:

I had it in my 3 door MK7 GTI and I have it in the R now too. It's a great feature, I'd hate to go back to non-keyless now. No idea why they stopped offering it on the 3 door, I can't think of any logical reason.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 10 March 2017, 19:12
Is keyless an option now?

Is it available on the 3 door again anyone know?
From the facelift Golf brochure -

"Keyless entry 5-door only. Including Start/Stop button on centre console"

Unless they have updated it recently. :undecided:

Is keyless standard on the GTD/I still?

No, an option. £325, I think, but only available on 5 door models. It was standard before the facelift

I can see keyless as an option now but couldn't before but I was looking at building a 3 door GTi
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 12 March 2017, 13:42
Hi all.....greetings from Denmark.very excited, ordered new golf gti today with following spec:

Performance pack
Manual gear
Dark iron blue
DCC
Keyless
Full led
Dynaudio

Cannot wait  :laugh: :laugh: dealer reckons about 3 months wait :whistle:


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 12 March 2017, 21:21
Denmark eh? That has cost you a fortune hasn't it?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 13 March 2017, 13:08
Yes ! an absolute fortune :shocked: close to double UK price  :shocked: :shocked:

I am actually English, from the west country...moved to DK in 2005, kills me everytime I think about the cost, but I had to have it...been saving for a long time.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Mr GTD on 13 March 2017, 15:11
Yes ! an absolute fortune :shocked: close to double UK price  :shocked: :shocked:

I am actually English, from the west country...moved to DK in 2005, kills me everytime I think about the cost, but I had to have it...been saving for a long time.

Would it not have been cheaper to import..?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 13 March 2017, 15:23
Yes ! an absolute fortune :shocked: close to double UK price  :shocked: :shocked:

I am actually English, from the west country...moved to DK in 2005, kills me everytime I think about the cost, but I had to have it...been saving for a long time.

Would it not have been cheaper to import..?

Unfortunately not cheaper to import at all....(Germany is only 1 hour drive from me, so no problem logistically) still have to pay a ridiculous registration tax on the car after importing to make it legal in DK (equivalent to the price of the car !!).
Anyway...Im over it ! its only money.
There are many plus points about driving in DK...Empty roads and NO SPEED CAMERAS  :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 13 March 2017, 15:30
Yes ! an absolute fortune :shocked: close to double UK price  :shocked: :shocked:

I am actually English, from the west country...moved to DK in 2005, kills me everytime I think about the cost, but I had to have it...been saving for a long time.

Would it not have been cheaper to import..?

Unfortunately not cheaper to import at all....(Germany is only 1 hour drive from me, so no problem logistically) still have to pay a ridiculous registration tax on the car after importing to make it legal in DK (equivalent to the price of the car !!).
Anyway...Im over it ! its only money.
There are many plus points about driving in DK...Empty roads and NO SPEED CAMERAS  :whistle:

Everything is relative, I'm sure if new cars are extremely expensive then it should follow that second hand ones are too which keeps the actual depreciation to levels that will keep the market ticking over. It's just getting to the point where you can afford a new car in the first place must be that much harder, which is a bit like the UK was not so long ago. Well, maybe a little while ago now, it's just an old age thing.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 13 March 2017, 15:56
Yeah....that's right Exonian...gotta think positive, another plus point is exclusivity...because of the cost of sporty cars like the gti they are very rare, I live in a pretty big city in Denmark and I know of only one other golf gti.
When I was buying the car, the salesman at the VW dealer said it was the first gti he has ever sold! And he has been there for 3 years !!! He was nearly as excited as me :grin:
Any way folks...I'll keep you updated. Btw luckily they had a dark iron blue gti in the showroom....the color is exclusive to the 7,5 gti and looks amazing....my fav colors of choice for the mk7 was carbon / deep pearl black / night blue....the new dark iron blue is like a cross between all of those in one...perfect :smiley:

Great forum btw
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 13 March 2017, 16:28
You are hereby appointed our official Danish correspondent!


With the proliferation of R's in this country since 2014 I'd think there were quite a few U.K. salesmen in the same boat with selling GTI's these last few years!  :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 13 March 2017, 16:51
You are hereby appointed our official Danish correspondent!


With the proliferation of R's in this country since 2014 I'd think there were quite a few U.K. salesmen in the same boat with selling GTI's these last few years!  :grin:

I would be honored to accept the post :grin:

Btw Exonian...you have been an inspiration to me...I saw a photo on this forum of your gti with some rondell wheels.
I thought your car looked amazing, I have been looking for some oem looking wheels for my gti when it arrives because the cost of the vw upgrade is just crazy here in DK.
 consequently yesterday arrived at my house 4 gorgeus  rondell 02RZ wheels plus a set of Michelin pilot sport 4 tyres  :smiley: ready for my baby when she arrives....so thanks again :wink:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 13 March 2017, 16:58
Yeah....that's right Exonian...gotta think positive, another plus point is exclusivity...because of the cost of sporty cars like the gti they are very rare, I live in a pretty big city in Denmark and I know of only one other golf gti.
When I was buying the car, the salesman at the VW dealer said it was the first gti he has ever sold! And he has been there for 3 years !!! He was nearly as excited as me :grin:
Any way folks...I'll keep you updated. Btw luckily they had a dark iron blue gti in the showroom....the color is exclusive to the 7,5 gti and looks amazing....my fav colors of choice for the mk7 was carbon / deep pearl black / night blue....the new dark iron blue is like a cross between all of those in one...perfect :smiley:

Great forum btw

Any chance of some photos of the new dark iron blue in the showroom?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 13 March 2017, 17:18
I would be honored to accept the post :grin:

Btw Exonian...you have been an inspiration to me...I saw a photo on this forum of your gti with some rondell wheels.
I thought your car looked amazing, I have been looking for some oem looking wheels for my gti when it arrives because the cost of the vw upgrade is just crazy here in DK.
 consequently yesterday arrived at my house 4 gorgeus  rondell 02RZ wheels plus a set of Michelin pilot sport 4 tyres  :smiley: ready for my baby when she arrives....so thanks again :wink:
That's great to hear! I really liked those wheels on my GTI. They're quite heavy but felt really well built.
The finish on mine was a very rough Matt so brake dust stuck to the black and needed a good scrub to remove, so either give them a really good seal and polish before fitting or maybe even get a coat of lacquer sprayed on them. Then again it's been a few years so possibly they're painted in a different finish now.

I can't wait to see photos of yours :afro:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 14 March 2017, 18:02
I got delivery date of my PP GTi, late May :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 14 March 2017, 19:01
When did you order to get that date?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 14 March 2017, 20:49
Found this on you tube....a great video of the dark iron blue colour (Isaac blue for the U.K. Folks)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4_VD52mrjk&sns=em

This vid Confirms I made the right decision ordering dark iron blue....luvverly :laugh: I think the colour will look great with the red contrasts on the gti....I know a few of you think it may clash.

One final thought..if I was the colour namer at vw I'd call it carbon blue.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: phazer on 14 March 2017, 20:55
That looks a great colour. I'd like to see it in the flesh under full sunshine.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: star93 on 14 March 2017, 20:59
Anyone been on the online configurator?

Couldn't find the Performance Pack option anywhere?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 14 March 2017, 21:02
Anyone been on the online configurator?

Couldn't find the Performance Pack option anywhere?

It's not available to order until the 4th May AFAIK.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: star93 on 14 March 2017, 21:05
Anyone been on the online configurator?

Couldn't find the Performance Pack option anywhere?

It's not available to order until the 4th May AFAIK.

Well that's annoying
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 14 March 2017, 21:19
Anyone been on the online configurator?

Couldn't find the Performance Pack option anywhere?

It's not available to order until the 4th May AFAIK.

Now I feel a bit lucky...just ordered a gti with pp here in Denmark on Sunday so it is available in some countries already.

Well that's annoying
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 14 March 2017, 21:29
Anyone been on the online configurator?

Couldn't find the Performance Pack option anywhere?

It's not available to order until the 4th May AFAIK.

Well that's annoying

Tell me about it, I desperately need to get rid of my current car so I had no choice but to order a non pp facelift. I just hope the pp comes out above my original budget so I don't get jealous :rolleyes:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: star93 on 14 March 2017, 22:49
Anyone been on the online configurator?

Couldn't find the Performance Pack option anywhere?

It's not available to order until the 4th May AFAIK.

Well that's annoying

Tell me about it, I desperately need to get rid of my current car so I had no choice but to order a non pp facelift. I just hope the pp comes out above my original budget so I don't get jealous :rolleyes:

Did you manage to get much discount off the facelift?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 March 2017, 23:55
Hi all

I placed my order last week for my GTI and was told by my dealer it would be around the 16 week mark. Having spent far too many hours on forums the last few days some people have mentioned the MK7 may be getting a facelift around May time. If this is true does anyone know what may be included and if it's worth pushing my order back?

Cheers

Ben
... that is the very first post on this thread 2 years ago! :shocked: And people think the Mk8 will be out in 2 years :huh:

Good job you didn't wait Ben  :grin:

My first post was on page 3. I hope this car is worth the wait :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 15 March 2017, 06:10
When did you order to get that date?

2 weeks ago :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 15 March 2017, 07:31
Anyone been on the online configurator?

Couldn't find the Performance Pack option anywhere?

It's not available to order until the 4th May AFAIK.

Well that's annoying

Tell me about it, I desperately need to get rid of my current car so I had no choice but to order a non pp facelift. I just hope the pp comes out above my original budget so I don't get jealous :rolleyes:

Did you manage to get much discount off the facelift?

List £31065, I paid £26800
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 15 March 2017, 13:54
Has anyone else seen this pic from VW's facebook page?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Glynne106/IMG_4067.png)

These are optional 'Seville Dark Graphite' 18" same as the standard GTD wheels but different colour.
Noticed these in the German brochure for both GTI and GTD, but not on their configurator.
VW mention in the comments they are evaluating the optional red-edged alloys to the UK offerings...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 15 March 2017, 14:10
Has anyone else seen this pic from VW's facebook page?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Glynne106/IMG_4067.png)

These are optional 'Seville Dark Graphite' 18" same as the standard GTD wheels but different colour.
Noticed these in the German brochure for both GTI and GTD, but not on their configurator.
VW mention in the comments they are evaluating the optional red-edged alloys to the UK offerings...
No too sure about the red rim but other than that, they look a fantastic wheel :drool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 15 March 2017, 18:55
Has anyone else seen this pic from VW's facebook page?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Glynne106/IMG_4067.png)

These are optional 'Seville Dark Graphite' 18" same as the standard GTD wheels but different colour.
Noticed these in the German brochure for both GTI and GTD, but not on their configurator.
VW mention in the comments they are evaluating the optional red-edged alloys to the UK offerings...

There was me thinking that the Santiago wheels were hard to clean. They remind me of the old Lamborghini wheels.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 15 March 2017, 19:26
GTI Performance VW press release 10th March -

https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detailpage/-/detail/The-new-Golf-GTI-Performance-is-now-available-to-order/view/4695679/7a5bbec13158edd433c6630f5ac445da?p_p_auth=ukHo4GOS (https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detailpage/-/detail/The-new-Golf-GTI-Performance-is-now-available-to-order/view/4695679/7a5bbec13158edd433c6630f5ac445da?p_p_auth=ukHo4GOS)

"The Golf update also brings a refresher for the most dynamic version, the Golf GTI Performance. With a 15 PS increase in output over its predecessor, the new model accelerates up to 100 km/h in 6.2 seconds. The maximum torque increases by 20 to 370 Nm, and the front differential lock fitted as standard applies this power effordlessly to the road while increasing the lateral acceleration potential when emerging from bends.

On its exterior, the Golf GTI Performance differs from the GTI with 169 kW/230 PS by virtue of the GTI badge on its front red brake callipers, red GTI lettering at the front and rear, and larger internally-ventilated disc brakes (front: 340 mm, rear: 310 mm)."
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 15 March 2017, 20:45
GTI Performance VW press release 10th March -

https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detailpage/-/detail/The-new-Golf-GTI-Performance-is-now-available-to-order/view/4695679/7a5bbec13158edd433c6630f5ac445da?p_p_auth=ukHo4GOS (https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detailpage/-/detail/The-new-Golf-GTI-Performance-is-now-available-to-order/view/4695679/7a5bbec13158edd433c6630f5ac445da?p_p_auth=ukHo4GOS)

"The Golf update also brings a refresher for the most dynamic version, the Golf GTI Performance. With a 15 PS increase in output over its predecessor, the new model accelerates up to 100 km/h in 6.2 seconds. The maximum torque increases by 20 to 370 Nm, and the front differential lock fitted as standard applies this power effordlessly to the road while increasing the lateral acceleration potential when emerging from bends.

On its exterior, the Golf GTI Performance differs from the GTI with 169 kW/230 PS by virtue of the GTI badge on its front red brake callipers, red GTI lettering at the front and rear, and larger internally-ventilated disc brakes (front: 340 mm, rear: 310 mm)."

The big question is... how much more will it cost in the UK?

I'm hoping it's around 2k so I don't regret ordering a facelift too soon.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JB GTI on 15 March 2017, 20:54
It was £995 on the Mk7. I doubt there will be much of or any increase as nothing has changed to the pack.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 15 March 2017, 21:04
It was £995 on the Mk7. I doubt there will be much of or any increase as nothing has changed to the pack.

Except the 7 speed DSG. ATM that is another upgrade from the standard GTI.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 15 March 2017, 21:28
It was £995 on the Mk7. I doubt there will be much of or any increase as nothing has changed to the pack.

Except the 7 speed DSG. ATM that is another upgrade from the standard GTI.
Yeah but that's a separate option.

It will be strange if they offer the 2 GTIs with 2 different DSG boxes.

I keep hoping the PP will be available sooner. It's still 7 weeks away. :cry:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 15 March 2017, 21:53
Looking at various EU VW configurators it looks like they will run with a GTI with 6 speed DSG and a GTI Performance with the 7 speed DSG. In other countries the GTI Performance adds other optional extras as standard too to offset the extra cost.

We all know that VW offerings vary quite a bit between markets so it really is anyones guess at the moment. Roll on the 4th May :cool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 16 March 2017, 06:14
It was £995 on the Mk7. I doubt there will be much of or any increase as nothing has changed to the pack.

Except the 7 speed DSG. ATM that is another upgrade from the standard GTI.
Yeah but that's a separate option.

It will be strange if they offer the 2 GTIs with 2 different DSG boxes.

I keep hoping the PP will be available sooner. It's still 7 weeks away. :cry:

This is so strange that you will wait 7 weeks to order the PP?!?. My PP will be build in 6 Weeks :)

I´m so exited about the new 7 speed DSG will work on the GTI ..
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 16 March 2017, 06:22
It was £995 on the Mk7. I doubt there will be much of or any increase as nothing has changed to the pack.

Thats realy cheap?!, why don´t all order the PP?!. In Sweden VW only sell the PP ,because of the little diffrent in price :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 22 March 2017, 16:40
I've just been comparing the pictures on the configurator of the Mk7 GTD with the Mk7.5. I opened them both up side by side and compared front, side, rear and you can see the changes. Should look ok.

Then i looked at the interior shot (looking from between the two front seats at the dash). It could just be the illustration but it seems to me that:

1) The keyhole is missing on the glovebox
2) The piano black trim around various bits of the inside is gone (round the air vents, along the top of the glovebox door)
3) The "silver" trim and GTD logo on the steering wheel is gone, in fact the steering wheel looks altogether less chunky and sporting - the centre boss is different.

Not sure this is good news... looks like penny pinching :(

Haven't looked at the GTI and R to do the same comparison, but you can if you want to - use the "performance golf" vs "new golf" to see.


EDIT - if you look at the 7.5 R you see the same steering wheel, but the GTI picture shows one more like the Mk7. In fact, if you look at a SE Nav you see the same wheel there.... I think its just a graphics f*** up.

The interior still seems missing the piano/carbon black pieces tho
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 22 March 2017, 16:58
The 'odd' (wrong) steering wheel on the mk7.5 GTI in the configurator was recently discussed on another forum. At that time, there was also just a 'black hole' where the gear lever should've been! :grin: That seems to have been fixed now.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 22 March 2017, 17:17
I found some photos of a real new 7.5 GTD somewhere else on here and the piano black trim and steering wheel are all OK on that.

Just a website screwup it seems!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 22 March 2017, 17:42
Just seen a GTI Facelift appear on Autotrader :rolleyes:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703223557608 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703223557608)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 22 March 2017, 20:13
Is it now piano black trim on the dash of the GTI too? Wasn't the pre-facelift GTI a kind of grey / fake carbon effect trim?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 22 March 2017, 20:26
Is it now piano black trim on the dash of the GTI too? Wasn't the pre-facelift GTI a kind of grey / fake carbon effect trim?

(http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=233bd318ddeb4e9ebbc90e54205ffc52)
(http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=5a70e04a106c475890bbdd5224d5b8e1)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 22 March 2017, 20:27
IMO the GTI needs half leather Jacara tartan seats as standard and the R needs optional bucket seats similar to the Clubsport's.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 22 March 2017, 20:53
So...

Dynamic Light assist.  On the configurator a few weeks ago, if you went for this option for £630 it also added LED lights for around £330 as well, which made little sense as the GTD/GTi come with LED's.

Now it seems if you add the Dynamic light assist, it no longer adds LED's and the extra cost, which makes more sense, unless I am missing something ?

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 23 March 2017, 08:58
I thought the standard gti had 230bhp now. That advert still states 220!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 01 April 2017, 07:14
http://miavu.nl/voertuig/volkswagen-golf-vll-gti-bmt-2-0tsi-230pk-dsg-facelift-de-nieuwe-golf-gti-facelift/ (http://miavu.nl/voertuig/volkswagen-golf-vll-gti-bmt-2-0tsi-230pk-dsg-facelift-de-nieuwe-golf-gti-facelift/)

Looking good  :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: davyk31 on 01 April 2017, 08:37
Really not sure about the new GTI standard wheel. Not a great looking design and actually looks pretty small. Seems a 19" upgrade is essential.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 01 April 2017, 08:44
Great photos of that black one, it looks superb. I don't know if I could live with a black car again though.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: star93 on 01 April 2017, 09:18
Went in for a test drive yesterday on the new DSG one and it was amazing, loved the white silver colour too.

When we started looking at the figures I got a real shock, £440pm with no negotiation available for what was pretty much a standard car, may have to start looking elsewhere!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 April 2017, 09:28
Really not sure about the new GTI standard wheel. Not a great looking design and actually looks pretty small. Seems a 19" upgrade is essential.
As I said before - the Parker alloys may not be the most stylish. They are an evolution of the previous GTI alloys. Most of the GTIs will be fitted with them. As someone else pointed out - they are only available on the GTI. They are one of the things that will make the car stand out from other Golfs.

I looked at the pros and cons of upgrading the alloys. The upgrade seems purely cosmetic to me. The articles I read said that 18inch alloys were the sweet spot. Above that ride comfort, road noise, acceleration, handling are all negatively impacted.

Like them or not - they are the 'new GTI alloy'. I'm looking forward to seeing them on my new car.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 01 April 2017, 10:50
Went in for a test drive yesterday on the new DSG one and it was amazing, loved the white silver colour too.

When we started looking at the figures I got a real shock, £440pm with no negotiation available for what was pretty much a standard car, may have to start looking elsewhere!

What was that? GTI/GTD/R?

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 01 April 2017, 12:32
Went in for a test drive yesterday on the new DSG one and it was amazing, loved the white silver colour too.

When we started looking at the figures I got a real shock, £440pm with no negotiation available for what was pretty much a standard car, may have to start looking elsewhere!

The new DSG?, which car did you drive?. The new 7 speed DSG is only att the PP Gti and R..
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: star93 on 01 April 2017, 15:00
Went in for a test drive yesterday on the new DSG one and it was amazing, loved the white silver colour too.

When we started looking at the figures I got a real shock, £440pm with no negotiation available for what was pretty much a standard car, may have to start looking elsewhere!

What was that? GTI/GTD/R?

Facelift GTI DSG

Quote was for DSG, dynaudio and the upgraded interior (not the leather)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: davyk31 on 01 April 2017, 19:51
Try another dealer as Drive the Deal are doing huge discounts already. And look at leasing as 2 grand down and less than £250 per month gets a standard GTI.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: eatontrifles on 01 April 2017, 23:21
So...

Dynamic Light assist.  On the configurator a few weeks ago, if you went for this option for £630 it also added LED lights for around £330 as well, which made little sense as the GTD/GTi come with LED's.

Now it seems if you add the Dynamic light assist, it no longer adds LED's and the extra cost, which makes more sense, unless I am missing something ?
I specced up the car I have on order, first with the VW app and then with the dealer, to include the Dynamic Light Assist option at £310. What I didn't know (and nor did the dealer) is that to have DLA you also need Lane Assist at £630 as that adds the camera behind the rear view mirror. I wanted DLA but not bothered about Lane Assist so argued my case (referring to the Configurator App along with the PDF spec that the dealer originally emailed me) that it was VWs mistake and they should be honouring the original price. The dealer was taking it up with VW and a couple of days later I noticed that the app had changed so that adding *either* DLA or Lane Assist added the other as well, making the cost £940.

What seems to have happened now (in the app at least, I don't use the website) is that VW have amended things so that the only option is £630 for Lane Assist which also includes DLA.

As you say, LED lights are standard but it's the LED in combination with DLA that is the extra, and requires Lane Assist (or Lane Assist Plus).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 02 April 2017, 06:45
I am confused with the facelift as some seem to have fog lights whilst others don't. In Geneva the GTI had front fog lights but the one in the showroom I saw on Friday did not.
Anyone know why? I thought it would be a PP thing but we can't get that here yet.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 02 April 2017, 08:30
GTI and GTD 7.5's have fogs just like the 7's did.... R's of course don't.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 02 April 2017, 20:22
I agree with JamesR27 - although the Price List 23rd March says all GTI/GTD's have front fog lights there have been pictures on here that appear to show cars without any front fogs - confused  :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 02 April 2017, 21:05
I agree with JamesR27 - although the Price List 23rd March says all GTI/GTD's have front fog lights there have been pictures on here that appear to show cars without any front fogs - confused  :undecided:

The GTI / D still has fogs. They're just not that visible unless switched on due to the black plastic / fins around them. Even more so on the facelift.

The R has no fogs... just big open holes in the bumper where they "would" be.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 03 April 2017, 05:55
I agree with JamesR27 - although the Price List 23rd March says all GTI/GTD's have front fog lights there have been pictures on here that appear to show cars without any front fogs - confused  :undecided:

The GTI / D still has fogs. They're just not that visible unless switched on due to the black plastic / fins around them. Even more so on the facelift.

The R has no fogs... just big open holes in the bumper where they "would" be.

On the PP that on sale in Sweden, the foglights are optional. I heard people don´t want them, because they will build cooling for the brakes instead.. :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 03 April 2017, 07:02
Show cars may not have them because different countries have different specs.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 03 April 2017, 10:05
Another GTI review in English -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYFK7oAGj8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYFK7oAGj8)

At 45 seconds - no fog lights.

The car reviewed in VW Driver definitely has fog lights.

At 4:20 - sport suspension and 19 inch alloys are talked about.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 03 April 2017, 10:16
Sorry if this has been posted before, but worth another look.

3 minutes of a Golf R driving round a track :drool: -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mAo9gXG3oc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mAo9gXG3oc)

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 03 April 2017, 10:35
Another GTI review in English -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYFK7oAGj8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYFK7oAGj8)

At 45 seconds - no fog lights.

The car reviewed in VW Driver definitely has fog lights.

At 4:20 - sport suspension and 19 inch alloys are talked about.

Another UK GTI with no fog lights for sale in the used cars section on VW's website. In addition to the video showing no visible signs of front foglights in the front bumper, look at the light switch at 1min 25sec in the video, which only has the rear fog light symbol on the L/H side of the switch. Also a good chance to see White Silver on a GTI.

http://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/Golf-GTI/GTD/R/GTE/2.0-TSI-GTI-230-PS-DSG/Huntingdon/3708610-606257700-42148.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 03 April 2017, 10:47
That's weird... its definitely a mk7.5, you can see the digital dash.

The configurator lists front fogs as standard equipment...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jv on 03 April 2017, 12:12
Few pics for you:

http://golfgti.co.uk/feature_mk7_2017_GTI_R_GTE_updates.htm

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 03 April 2017, 12:45
The Vienna leather looks "interesting" on the facelift! The centres seem to have a polka dot type of finish which looks ok on the R (white dots) but the red on the GTI might be marmite...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 03 April 2017, 13:34
Really not sure about the new GTI standard wheel. Not a great looking design and actually looks pretty small. Seems a 19" upgrade is essential.
As I said before - the Parker alloys may not be the most stylish. They are an evolution of the previous GTI alloys. Most of the GTIs will be fitted with them. As someone else pointed out - they are only available on the GTI. They are one of the things that will make the car stand out from other Golfs.

I looked at the pros and cons of upgrading the alloys. The upgrade seems purely cosmetic to me. The articles I read said that 18inch alloys were the sweet spot. Above that ride comfort, road noise, acceleration, handling are all negatively impacted.

Like them or not - they are the 'new GTI alloy'. I'm looking forward to seeing them on my new car.

Agree with you about the GTI wheels being unique - disliked them at first but now are starting to grow on me.

I used to be 50/50 with the mk6 GTD wheels (like in your sig) but then borrowed a mk6 GTD for 2-3 months whilst waiting for my mk7 and they really grew on me, as above, only available on the GTD back then.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 03 April 2017, 13:37
Another little thing I've noticed in the facelifted cars...

- The GTD rear valence is now similar to that on the GTI (apart from the exhaust cut outs obviously). So it has the honeycomb finish and extends the full width of the rear bumper unlike the old very plain rear valence that the GTD had.

- The current (pre-facelifted) rear bumper on the R had a nice kick-out or kink at the bottom that made the car appear a bit wider from the back. It looks like this is gone, but now the valence extends right out to the edges (like on the GTI).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 03 April 2017, 13:38
Another GTI review in English -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYFK7oAGj8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYFK7oAGj8)

At 45 seconds - no fog lights.

The car reviewed in VW Driver definitely has fog lights.

At 4:20 - sport suspension and 19 inch alloys are talked about.

Another UK GTI with no fog lights for sale in the used cars section on VW's website. In addition to the video showing no visible signs of front foglights in the front bumper, look at the light switch at 1min 25sec in the video, which only has the rear fog light symbol on the L/H side of the switch. Also a good chance to see White Silver on a GTI.

http://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/Golf-GTI/GTD/R/GTE/2.0-TSI-GTI-230-PS-DSG/Huntingdon/3708610-606257700-42148.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_

Theres also a black facelift GTD on VW used but cant tell if this has foglights or not?

http://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/Golf-GTI/GTD/R/GTE/2.0-TDI-GTD-184-PS-DSG/Huntingdon/3665245-606251297-42148.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_


Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 03 April 2017, 13:44
Another little thing I've noticed in the facelifted cars...

- The GTD rear valence is now similar to that on the GTI (apart from the exhaust cut outs obviously). So it has the honeycomb finish and extends the full width of the rear bumper unlike the old very plain rear valence that the GTD had.

- The current (pre-facelifted) rear bumper on the R had a nice kick-out or kink at the bottom that made the car appear a bit wider from the back. It looks like this is gone, but now the valence extends right out to the edges (like on the GTI).

Tailpipes on the GTI + GTD also seem to be larger diameter. (possible same as CS?)

Anyone else noticed the small honeycomb detail in the headlights? (beneath the DRL's)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 03 April 2017, 14:01
Another little thing I've noticed in the facelifted cars...

- The GTD rear valence is now similar to that on the GTI (apart from the exhaust cut outs obviously). So it has the honeycomb finish and extends the full width of the rear bumper unlike the old very plain rear valence that the GTD had.

- The current (pre-facelifted) rear bumper on the R had a nice kick-out or kink at the bottom that made the car appear a bit wider from the back. It looks like this is gone, but now the valence extends right out to the edges (like on the GTI).

Tailpipes on the GTI + GTD also seem to be larger diameter. (possible same as CS?)

Anyone else noticed the small honeycomb detail in the headlights? (beneath the DRL's)

Yes!
Sure sign of a facelift. They've put that honeycomb filler in the bottom of the headlight unit where the indicator strip used to reside. The indicator now doubles up with the LED DRL. i.e. the headlamp is now larger than it needs to be so rather than redesigning the shape of the headlamp (which would also require major changes to bumper and bonnet), VW took the cheap option - fill the blank space with honeycomb!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 03 April 2017, 14:14
Another GTI review in English -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYFK7oAGj8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYFK7oAGj8)

At 45 seconds - no fog lights.

The car reviewed in VW Driver definitely has fog lights.

At 4:20 - sport suspension and 19 inch alloys are talked about.

Another UK GTI with no fog lights for sale in the used cars section on VW's website. In addition to the video showing no visible signs of front foglights in the front bumper, look at the light switch at 1min 25sec in the video, which only has the rear fog light symbol on the L/H side of the switch. Also a good chance to see White Silver on a GTI.

http://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/Golf-GTI/GTD/R/GTE/2.0-TSI-GTI-230-PS-DSG/Huntingdon/3708610-606257700-42148.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_

Theres also a black facelift GTD on VW used but cant tell if this has foglights or not?

http://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/Golf-GTI/GTD/R/GTE/2.0-TDI-GTD-184-PS-DSG/Huntingdon/3665245-606251297-42148.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_

No, no foglights on that one either; at 1min 20sec on the video you can see the headlight switch and only the rear foglight symbol is on the L/H side of the switch.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 03 April 2017, 14:51
Just out of interest, how the hell does that dealer have two Mk7.5's as "used" already??

AFAIK only a handful have come into the UK in the last week or so and even allowing for dealer demo/staff vehicles, they wouldn't be knocking them out yet would they?

Seems very bizarre!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 03 April 2017, 15:20
Just out of interest, how the hell does that dealer have two Mk7.5's as "used" already??

AFAIK only a handful have come into the UK in the last week or so and even allowing for dealer demo/staff vehicles, they wouldn't be knocking them out yet would they?

Seems very bizarre!

It's their demo cars so although they're listed for sale they can't actually sell them just yet (technically).
Check out the availability date before handing over a deposit!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jv on 03 April 2017, 15:32
The Vienna leather looks "interesting" on the facelift! The centres seem to have a polka dot type of finish which looks ok on the R (white dots) but the red on the GTI might be marmite...
Looks pretty good in real life - still wouldn't spec it over the GTI cloth myself!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 03 April 2017, 15:42
Just out of interest, how the hell does that dealer have two Mk7.5's as "used" already??

AFAIK only a handful have come into the UK in the last week or so and even allowing for dealer demo/staff vehicles, they wouldn't be knocking them out yet would they?

Seems very bizarre!

It's their demo cars so although they're listed for sale they can't actually sell them just yet (technically).
Check out the availability date before handing over a deposit!

Yes, the GTI is available in 83 days time and the GTD in 73 days time. They'll be nicely loosened up from customer test drives by then :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 03 April 2017, 15:42
Few pics for you:

http://golfgti.co.uk/feature_mk7_2017_GTI_R_GTE_updates.htm

I think my invite must've got lost in the post  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 03 April 2017, 15:59
Just out of interest, how the hell does that dealer have two Mk7.5's as "used" already??

AFAIK only a handful have come into the UK in the last week or so and even allowing for dealer demo/staff vehicles, they wouldn't be knocking them out yet would they?

Seems very bizarre!

It's their demo cars so although they're listed for sale they can't actually sell them just yet (technically).
Check out the availability date before handing over a deposit!

Yes, the GTI is available in 83 days time and the GTD in 73 days time. They'll be nicely loosened up from customer test drives by then :grin:

Don't forget... every demo of a DSG car includes a demonstration of launch control...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 03 April 2017, 20:12
At the dealers today and none of the GTD or GTi's had front fogs. I asked the 'sales manager' and he said that the GTD's and GTi's have never come with front fogs :rolleyes: Needless to say a bit clueless.

Btw both the GTD and GTi were covered in swirl marks so having to pay out the bones of £500 to sort out the swirls on my car hasn't changed there way of doing the prep.

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj564/Noghtblue-GTD/5DA59CC8-749F-459E-AF60-6EF9916A3EB8_zpslrsxqfg5.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Noghtblue-GTD/media/5DA59CC8-749F-459E-AF60-6EF9916A3EB8_zpslrsxqfg5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 03 April 2017, 20:27
That's very odd. I've seen a couple of new FL GTI's and GTD's in the metal and they all had fogs. I can't think of any reason they wouldn't be fitted. It's not like they'd be an optional extra. Are there are a few pre-production / non official standard spec cars with odd specs in showrooms I wonder? Only logical explanation.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: karlak on 03 April 2017, 20:38
Are the Fogs dropped if the car has the Enhance LED package ?  Just a thought.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 03 April 2017, 21:10
It's either that dynamic lighting or just leds deletes the fogs I guess... But is a bit weird given that the configurator lists it...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 03 April 2017, 22:01
It's either that dynamic lighting or just leds deletes the fogs I guess... But is a bit weird given that the configurator lists it...

Then again, the configurator isn't exactly infallible!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 04 April 2017, 05:53
The GTD suspension, is it not as low as the GTI standard?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 04 April 2017, 09:43
Are the Fogs dropped if the car has the Enhance LED package ?  Just a thought.

The GTD and GTi I seen yesterday didn't have dynamic lighting or front fogs and the Irish launch GTD didn't have dynamic lighting and it did have fogs. Very odd.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 04 April 2017, 10:04
UK models just don't have fogs? It seems a weird idea if that is true
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 04 April 2017, 10:07
That seems a retrograde step - let's hope the 23rd March 2017 Price List is right!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 04 April 2017, 10:36
UK models just don't have fogs? It seems a weird idea if that is true

Lots of inconsistencies, which seems to be the norm with VW and their sales & and marketing material.

The current UK price list brochure has a picture of a GTD on page 17 with fog lights clearly visible. GTD spec on page 16 lists the additional items of spec over the GT model (page 12); GT spec includes front fog lights, so, the GTD should get the GT spec items listed, plus the items on page 17. Similarly, the GTI spec on page 18 lists the additional items of spec over the GTD. So.......if the GT has front fogs, going by the content of the price list brochure, the GTD and GTI should also have them, but there are facelift GTI's and GTD's in the U.K. that don't have them!

Just to confuse matters further, footnote 1 on page 25  states 'Front fog lights on GTI and GTD models incorporate LED technology, but does not feature static cornering function'.

http://origin.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/pricelists/golf-vii-pa-pricelist.pdf

Top marks for confusion, VW!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 04 April 2017, 11:21
Are the fogs on the mk7 where the cornering light is?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 04 April 2017, 12:00
No, they can clearly be seen in lower bumper behind the fins at 42sec in this video and illuminated at 1min 12sec.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cT5EjkKNiL4
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 04 April 2017, 12:33
Are the fogs on the mk7 where the cornering light is?

No sure about the non performance models but on the performance models the cornering light is in the headlight assembly. You can code the fog lights on both the GTD and GTi to act as cornering lights.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 04 April 2017, 15:17
Just seen a brand new gti, wrappers still on, fresh from the factory.  No fogs, not even a light switch for them
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 04 April 2017, 15:51
And now looking.... this GTI review of a (German?) one:

https://youtu.be/PrOa7KAPxC8

At 1:01 you can see the light switch, only one fog light switch position... for the rear, like on a R.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 04 April 2017, 16:02
And now looking.... this GTI review of a (German?) one:

https://youtu.be/PrOa7KAPxC8

At 1:01 you can see the light switch, only one fog light switch position... for the rear, like on a R.

I'm very confused! Perhaps someone on the forum who's about to order a GTI or GTD can get clarification from their dealer, or maybe Lee (evo1986) could clarify if he reads this thread.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 04 April 2017, 16:03
Like I said.... I've just seen a brand spanking new GTI 7.5 with its transit wrappers still on and it DEFINITELY has no front fogs nor a switch for them.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: jv on 04 April 2017, 16:45
Definitely no lights in the fins on the UK cars from last week and the light switch is the same as the linked video above:

http://golfgti.co.uk/feature_mk7_2017_GTI_R_GTE_updates.htm
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: david25 on 04 April 2017, 17:12
Can anyone see fogs on this video?
http://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/dealer/Golf-GTI/GTD/R/GTE/2.0-TSI-GTI-230-PS-DSG/Huntingdon/3708610-606257700-42148.aspx?srcmdc=se_ce_re_

Or the pics
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 04 April 2017, 17:16
No, look at the light switch, you can see only rear fog marker on the left hand side.

BTW one thing I did notice earlier, on the GTI I looked at the finned bit where the fogs would be is open to the rear.... so its a hole, so in some photos what you THINK you can see is whatever through the hole.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 04 April 2017, 19:16
Seen a GTi today on the road and it had front fogs. He was turning right across me and I stoped to let him turn right so I could have a look at it. Not sure if it was oryx white or white silver because the sun was shinning right on his car. Looked really nice from what I seen of it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 04 April 2017, 20:41
Going off on a tangent from the fogs or no fogs debate, who actually uses front fog lights?

I'd rather not have them to be honest because they have made no difference for me even in really thick fog and then I forget to turn the buggers off.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 04 April 2017, 21:05
I use them... Actually for fog too, not just driving around like a cock
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 04 April 2017, 21:17
Can confirm that the white Mk7.5 GTD at our local dealers did not have fog lights.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 04 April 2017, 22:31
Going off on a tangent from the fogs or no fogs debate, who actually uses front fog lights?

I'd rather not have them to be honest because they have made no difference for me even in really thick fog and then I forget to turn the buggers off.

The LED fogs on my GTD, and now the GTI, are the first fog lights I have found to be fit for purpose, both as fog lights ( !! ) and as fill in lights when I'm on poor or unmade roads at night ( !!! ). Be a bugger if, having finally got a decent design, they ditched them.  :angry:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 04 April 2017, 22:40
Going off on a tangent from the fogs or no fogs debate, who actually uses front fog lights?

I'd rather not have them to be honest because they have made no difference for me even in really thick fog and then I forget to turn the buggers off.

The LED fogs on my GTD, and now the GTI, are the first fog lights I have found to be fit for purpose, both as fog lights ( !! ) and as fill in lights when I'm on poor or unmade roads at night ( !!! ). Be a bugger if, having finally got a decent design, they ditched them.  :angry:

I currently drive a Corsa and the fog lights are useless but it is a Vauxhall so that says it all really.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 04 April 2017, 23:09
Going off on a tangent from the fogs or no fogs debate, who actually uses front fog lights?

I'd rather not have them to be honest because they have made no difference for me even in really thick fog and then I forget to turn the buggers off.

The LED fogs on my GTD, and now the GTI, are the first fog lights I have found to be fit for purpose, both as fog lights ( !! ) and as fill in lights when I'm on poor or unmade roads at night ( !!! ). Be a bugger if, having finally got a decent design, they ditched them.  :angry:

Same here, I also have them set to come on with the headlights. Another thing is that the Mk7 is the first car I have seen(as I meet oncoming) that has their fogs on and it doesn't bother/dazzle me.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 05 April 2017, 10:03
VW Crewe has an Indium Grey GTD plated up outside and it definitely doesn't have front fog lights in the fins - I don't think it looks as mean without them!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 05 April 2017, 10:16
VW Crewe has an Indium Grey GTD plated up outside and it definitely doesn't have front fog lights in the fins - I don't think it looks as mean without them!
How did it look in that colour?

There was an Indium Grey in between two Tornado Red Golf's at the dealers yesterday. As the light faded it started to look quite beige :undecided:

The new GTD alloys look really good. Thought they also look like they would be really, really difficult to clean.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 05 April 2017, 10:54
VW Crewe has an Indium Grey GTD plated up outside and it definitely doesn't have front fog lights in the fins - I don't think it looks as mean without them!
How did it look in that colour?

There was an Indium Grey in between two Tornado Red Golf's at the dealers yesterday. As the light faded it started to look quite beige :undecided:

The new GTD alloys look really good. Thought they also look like they would be really, really difficult to clean.

They are going to need a new set of wheel woolies. Bit fussy for me.

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj564/Noghtblue-GTD/B332993C-B054-43EB-B79B-4D51E33D8412_zpsspwmktju.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Noghtblue-GTD/media/B332993C-B054-43EB-B79B-4D51E33D8412_zpsspwmktju.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 05 April 2017, 12:38
So it looks like front fog lights are going to be first on the list for the BW22/MY18 changes  :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 05 April 2017, 17:48
VW Crewe has an Indium Grey GTD plated up outside and it definitely doesn't have front fog lights in the fins - I don't think it looks as mean without them!
How did it look in that colour?

There was an Indium Grey in between two Tornado Red Golf's at the dealers yesterday. As the light faded it started to look quite beige :undecided:

The new GTD alloys look really good. Thought they also look like they would be really, really difficult to clean.

They are going to need a new set of wheel woolies. Bit fussy for me.

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj564/Noghtblue-GTD/B332993C-B054-43EB-B79B-4D51E33D8412_zpsspwmktju.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Noghtblue-GTD/media/B332993C-B054-43EB-B79B-4D51E33D8412_zpsspwmktju.jpg.html)

In the daylight Indium Grey looked good - considering I've got Carbon Grey at the minute it looked really good, although I'd still like to see a photo of Isaac Blue or better still see that colour in the flesh now.  I'm not a techi so don't have a photo bucket account or whatever to upload photos too.

I'll be waiting to BW22 / MY18 changes before ordering as ideally I want Fog Lights + Sport & Sound which will match what I have currently.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 05 April 2017, 18:56
I wouldn't be so sure either of those will be coming. I'm still waiting for vw to explain why the fogs have gone...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Don76 on 05 April 2017, 19:57
Here's some pics of Isaac Blue.

http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/76briandon/media/2SE-DQX921_2_zpsryrnfxx6.jpg.html?filters[user]=146358438&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=3

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 05 April 2017, 20:09
Here's some pics of Isaac Blue.

http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/76briandon/media/2SE-DQX921_2_zpsryrnfxx6.jpg.html?filters[user]=146358438&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=3

I'm going to directly link to your photos for ease, I hope you don't mind.

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/76briandon/2SE-DQX921_2_zpsryrnfxx6.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/76briandon/2SE-DQX921_3_zpspyjfvidb.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/76briandon/208737614-w988-h7411_zpsgtljplio.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/76briandon/208737616-w988-h7411_zps53sj78nd.jpg)

All photos courtesy of Don76 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=56366)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Don76 on 05 April 2017, 20:14
Top man. Didn't know how to do that.
Can't we use tapatalk for this forum?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 05 April 2017, 20:38
So German facelift GTD's have front fog lights! You can just see them through the fins in the front bumper in the 2nd picture of the Isaac Blue GTD posted on the previous page.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 05 April 2017, 20:52
German gtd with fogs?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Don76 on 05 April 2017, 21:02
I think it's French.

If you Google dark iron blue GTD there's quite a lot of pics. Seems our European brothers have a different name for isaac blue.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 05 April 2017, 21:15
I think iron blue is another vw colour actually. Obviously close but...

Without seeing the lights on, it's hard to tell about the fogs because the rear of the finned bit is open to the rear, so you can think you can see lights...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 05 April 2017, 21:16
And that's definitely a German car... German plates with a giveaway "D" lol
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 05 April 2017, 21:25
It's called Iron Blue in Ireland too.

Iron Blue == Isaac Blue.

It looks a bit like blue graphite that I had on my MK5 GTI, which I liked a lot.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: davyk31 on 05 April 2017, 21:31
How does Indium grey compare to Carbon, is it a bit lighter or pretty similar. Carbon is a bit dark for my likings but does look smart.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 05 April 2017, 21:34
Without seeing the lights on, it's hard to tell about the fogs because the rear of the finned bit is open to the rear, so you can think you can see lights...

I think you need to go to Specsavers  :whistle:

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj564/Noghtblue-GTD/2D3EBDB4-F7A4-42CB-8AD3-A772D73FCCA4_zps0nbbdbdw.png) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Noghtblue-GTD/media/2D3EBDB4-F7A4-42CB-8AD3-A772D73FCCA4_zps0nbbdbdw.png.html)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 05 April 2017, 21:59
Isaac Blue with Fogs - this is what we want.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 05 April 2017, 22:01
How does Indium grey compare to Carbon, is it a bit lighter or pretty similar. Carbon is a bit dark for my likings but does look smart.

Indium is lighter... and is more "grey" than Carbon imo. Carbon has a green/bluey tinge in it and sometimes looks close to black in certain lights.
If you want to see Indium in the metal, just pay more attention on the roads/carparks... its already a popular colour on Passats/Tiguans.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: eatontrifles on 05 April 2017, 22:19
I wouldn't be so sure either of those will be coming. I'm still waiting for vw to explain why the fogs have gone...
Am I missing something? Have VW confirmed that front fogs will not be fitted to UK vehicles or is their not being present on dealer cars being taken that they won't be on customer cars? They are listed in the specifications (based on 14th Feb price list which I have saved) as being present and I'm expecting them to be fitted to mine when it arrives.

Super pictures of Isaac Blue BTW, looks great to me - looking forward to getting mine.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 05 April 2017, 22:32
Lol probably do need some new specs... And to be reading this using something other than an iPhone!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 05 April 2017, 22:53
Lol probably do need some new specs... And to be reading this using something other than an iPhone!

That's what I was using when I looked at this thread earlier. Speaking of Specsavers , I bought a pair of +1.50 glasses yesterday from Tesco and I realised that I need to go to Specsavers, sharpish.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 06 April 2017, 10:54
Here's some pics of Isaac Blue.

http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/76briandon/media/2SE-DQX921_2_zpsryrnfxx6.jpg.html?filters[user]=146358438&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=3

I'm going to directly link to your photos for ease, I hope you don't mind.

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/76briandon/208737616-w988-h7411_zps53sj78nd.jpg)

All photos courtesy of Don76 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=56366)

Red calipers too which are available as an option on the German GTD configurator. (not the S&S pack like the mk7.1, just painted red)

Edit: Just found out the red calipers are a no-cost option on VW Ireland configurator on the GTD.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Don76 on 06 April 2017, 12:43
This is a video from a car in stock at a London dealer.
No fog lights or red calipers.

https://youtu.be/cMOlL6vpA1Y
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 06 April 2017, 13:01
This is a video from a car in stock at a London dealer.
No fog lights or red calipers.

https://youtu.be/cMOlL6vpA1Y

The red caliper option is not available in UK, pic above is from Germany.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: david25 on 06 April 2017, 18:50
Just to triple confirm, the white GTI in the VW Ipswich showroom doesn't have fogs
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 April 2017, 19:27
So...

Those who have seen the Active Info Display (AID :huh:) in the flesh - what do you think?

First impression - I really, really didn't like it. I spend a lot of my working day looking at screens. Now I'll have another one. :angry: I might have been impresses if it was a vivid high resolution display. But the AID screen looked like quite low resolution or maybe it was just the graphics. Maybe there are settings to turn up the brightness, because it also looked quite dull.

However, I doubt if I would delete a £550 option. So I guess I'll just have to get used to it.  :angry:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 06 April 2017, 19:53
New member here, ordered mk7.5 GTI on Monday. My first ever VW so hoping it'll be a good ownership.

In terms of the AID the dealership I went to had that day taken delivery of their showroom car (only 7.5 they had) and kindly let me take it out for a spin. The AID while driving is fine, no different from standard dials and the ability to amend it to things like the nav was great as it keeps yours eyes more focused on the road rather than diverting to the left to look at the map in the centre screen.

I know what you mean about low res, compared to say the 8" centre display it is a little but its not noticeable when you're driving around.

I do have a question though, the dealer said it comes with a 7 speed DSG but some reviews mention 6 speed so I'm a little confused as to what it should have.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 April 2017, 20:00
I do have a question though, the dealer said it comes with a 7 speed DSG but some reviews mention 6 speed so I'm a little confused as to what it should have.
The new 7 speed DSG is not available for the UK GTI at the moment.

It is available on the GTD and Golf R. In the next few weeks it is expected to be available with the GTI Performance Pack.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 06 April 2017, 20:36
That's annoying as that was something that helped make the decision to get it, on the test drive we didn't go anywhere where it would have needed to go into 7th and to be fair I didn't try to put it into 6th/7th with the paddles.

I'll raise that with the dealer.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 06 April 2017, 20:43
That's annoying as that was something that helped make the decision to get it, on the test drive we didn't go anywhere where it would have needed to go into 7th and to be fair I didn't try to put it into 6th/7th with the paddles.

I'll raise that with the dealer.

Well he did miss-sell the car to you so just cancel it and wait for the GTi PP.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 06 April 2017, 20:54
I did think about waiting for the PP but not on the basis of it coming with a 7 DSG, I was informed it was for the diff and power upgrade.

But based on price and how often I'd actually make use of it I decided against.

I guess what I need to decide now is, is the 7 speed box really going to be of noticeable difference over the 6 for fuel economy etc while cruising along in a GTI. Unsure next steps now.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 06 April 2017, 21:08
Dsg7 makes some improvements to fuel economy but I doubt you'd see any actual differences after you've added the weight of the diff and the cost of pp.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: andy28 on 06 April 2017, 21:32
I wouldn't be so sure either of those will be coming. I'm still waiting for vw to explain why the fogs have gone...

Hi fredgroves, did VW come back to you re front fogs? My dealer is adamant my GTI will come with them (on the basis of the reliable configurator) but let's see eh... it's built and in transit!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 06 April 2017, 21:55
I wouldn't be so sure either of those will be coming. I'm still waiting for vw to explain why the fogs have gone...

Hi fredgroves, did VW come back to you re front fogs? My dealer is adamant my GTI will come with them (on the basis of the reliable configurator) but let's see eh... it's built and in transit!

Reliable configurator; really? It was recently showing the wrong steering wheel on the GTI, and a 'black hole' where the gear lever / DSG drive selector should've been (fixed now though). 

Be sure to let us know Andy whether it has front fogs or not, to help clear up the mystery!  :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 April 2017, 22:09
I did think about waiting for the PP but not on the basis of it coming with a 7 DSG, I was informed it was for the diff and power upgrade.
This is what I'm expecting -

GTI
-230hp and 350nm torque
-6 speed DSG

GTI PP
-245hp and 370nm torque
-7 speed DSG
-VAQ electronically controlled limited slip differential
-Golf R brakes
-Red GTI badges :cool:

... have I missed anything?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: infernox on 06 April 2017, 22:16
However, I doubt if I would delete a £550 option. So I guess I'll just have to get used to it.  :angry:

Isn't AID a free option? That's what I've seen in the VW config and broker sites.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 April 2017, 22:31
However, I doubt if I would delete a £550 option. So I guess I'll just have to get used to it.  :angry:

Isn't AID a free option? That's what I've seen in the VW config and broker sites.
It comes as standard on performance Golfs. It is a £550 option on other Golfs.

If you order a performance Golf, there is a no cost option to delete the AID.

I wish they had not made it standard and kept it as an option. I would rather have a car £550 cheaper and proper dials.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: infernox on 06 April 2017, 23:06
On audi's its a £450 option for virtual cockpit and from what I've seen theirs is superior. For some reason though for an S3 you have to spec tech pack advanced to get it, not sure about other models.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 07 April 2017, 08:07
I did think about waiting for the PP but not on the basis of it coming with a 7 DSG, I was informed it was for the diff and power upgrade.
This is what I'm expecting -

GTI
-230hp and 350nm torque
-6 speed DSG

GTI PP
-245hp and 370nm torque
-7 speed DSG
-VAQ electronically controlled limited slip differential
-Golf R brakes
-Red GTI badges :cool:

... have I missed anything?

Just the nice big front brake callipers with GTI logos.  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JamesR27 on 07 April 2017, 08:15
On audi's its a £450 option for virtual cockpit and from what I've seen theirs is superior. For some reason though for an S3 you have to spec tech pack advanced to get it, not sure about other models.

Yeah you can not spec the virtual cockpit on an A3 or S3 without advanced tech pack which turns it into a £1400 option.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 07 April 2017, 22:01
I was browsing through VW Driver magazine today. I noticed that there are 2 photos of Golf GTIs back-to-back on pages 13 and 14. Both photos were taken from the same angle. The first photo has no fog lights. The second photo clearly has fog lights. :nerd:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: p3asa on 07 April 2017, 22:13
I wonder if the "no fog lights" is similar to the original Mk7 when it was released with no ACC.
Its almost as if they are getting demos out that aren't complete. Easily recognisable!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Exonian on 08 April 2017, 11:19
I wonder if the "no fog lights" is similar to the original Mk7 when it was released with no ACC.
Its almost as if they are getting demos out that aren't complete. Easily recognisable!
I've been thinking that too reading the forum foglight spotters posts these last few weeks.  :nerd:

I've still yet to see a 7.5 of any sort in the flesh.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 08 April 2017, 17:26
Does it need foglights with Led headlights?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 08 April 2017, 17:41
Does it need foglights with Led headlights?

It may not need them and I'm sure that some GTI owners may not use them, but they've been part of the 'face' of the Golf GTI since the mk2*, so seems strange if they've been dropped now. Some owners will use them in appropriate driving conditions (I would).

Like p3asa has said, it's quite possible that the early mk7.5 GTI's are the official dealer demos and, for whatever reason, they were built with no front fog lights. Time will tell when customer orders are delivered in the next few weeks.............l dare say that most forthcoming owners who have ordered a mk7.5 GTI and are awaiting delivery will expect their cars to have front fogs.

*some mark 2 GTI's had them so I'm assuming they were introduced during the mk2's life. The mk4's fog lights were integrated into the headlamp units so it wasn't obvious that it had them, but it still had them.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 08 April 2017, 18:15
Does it need foglights with Led headlights?

It may not need them and I'm sure that some GTI owners may not use them, but they've been part of the 'face' of the Golf GTI since the mk2*, so seems strange if they've been dropped now. Some owners will use them in appropriate driving conditions (I would).

Like p3asa has said, it's quite possible that the early mk7.5 GTI's are the official dealer demos and, for whatever reason, they were built with no front fog lights. Time will tell when customer orders are delivered in the next few weeks.............l dare say that most forthcoming owners who have ordered a mk7.5 GTI and are awaiting delivery will expect their cars to have front fogs.

*some mark 2 GTI's had them so I'm assuming they were introduced during the mk2's life. The mk4's fog lights were integrated into the headlamp units so it wasn't obvious that it had them, but it still had them.

The Mk2 big bumper had fogs.

The facelift cars in Ireland have fogs and I seen a facelift the other day in the UK with fogs.

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj564/Noghtblue-GTD/C5BD9E2F-ED1D-4E6F-8187-AC9E701B7D70_zpsoyup7hc6.png) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Noghtblue-GTD/media/C5BD9E2F-ED1D-4E6F-8187-AC9E701B7D70_zpsoyup7hc6.png.html)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: dougle_turbo on 08 April 2017, 18:59
I drove 2 different facelift GTIs today, from different dealerships and neither had fog lights.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 08 April 2017, 19:02
My GTI is currently in transit from Wolfsburg and I actually hope it doesn't have fog lights, I think it looks better without them and I will never use them.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: eatontrifles on 09 April 2017, 01:02
l dare say that most forthcoming owners who have ordered a mk7.5 GTI and are awaiting delivery will expect their cars to have front fogs.
I expect mine to have everything that the order form and spec brochure says it should have (which includes fog lights, regardless of if they are ever used or not).
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 09 April 2017, 01:36
My GTI is currently in transit from Wolfsburg and I actually hope it doesn't have fog lights, I think it looks better without them and I will never use them.
It is interesting that the Golf R does not have fog lights.

Have technological improvements to modern headlights made fog lights redundant? Are fog lights now just a cosmetic item?

Personally I don't care. Having seen the car, I don't think it needs fogs lights. The LED headlights are all that is needed. Fog lights make very little difference to style or functionality, so why have them!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 09 April 2017, 07:21
It is interesting that the Golf R does not have fog lights.

I think there's a transmission oil cooler (for DSG cars) and an auxiliary radiator for additional cooling behind the outer grilles in the bumper on the R, so assume that fog lights aren't fitted as they would've restricted air flow.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 09 April 2017, 08:13
It does state on the VW site that the GTI comes with fogs.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 09 April 2017, 10:25
It does state on the VW site that the GTI comes with fogs.

It's not unknown for information on VW's website to contain inaccuracies. :shocked:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 09 April 2017, 15:59
I appreciate that, just stating whats allegedly in the spec.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: eatontrifles on 09 April 2017, 23:39
I appreciate that, just stating whats allegedly in the spec.
And if it's stated in the spec, then it should be delivered or a reduction in cost if not.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 10 April 2017, 09:55
Absolutely, there's certainly no caveat wording "the specs are subject to change because of..." as you see with some products.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 10 April 2017, 10:24
I appreciate that, just stating whats allegedly in the spec.
And if it's stated in the spec, then it should be delivered or a reduction in cost if not.

Good luck with that
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 10 April 2017, 10:52
In fact in the latest price list it not only states that the GTD/ GTD Blueline and the GTI do come with fog lights, it even states the following as a caveat:

Front fog lights on GTD and GTI models incorporate LED technology, but do not feature static cornering function.

Which is correct as the cornering function was always done by the adaptive Xenon headlamps in the pre-facelift models and assume on the face lifted models, it's still done by the LED headlights ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 10 April 2017, 11:28
In fact in the latest price list it not only states that the GTD/ GTD Blueline and the GTI do come with fog lights, it even states the following as a caveat:

Front fog lights on GTD and GTI models incorporate LED technology, but do not feature static cornering function.

Which is correct as the cornering function was always done by the adaptive Xenon headlamps in the pre-facelift models and assume on the face lifted models, it's still done by the LED headlights ?
This is getting confusing.

There are static cornering lights and dynamic curve lighting :rolleyes:

My Mk6 GTD only has dynamic curve lighting. Our A3 has both.

Static cornering lights - There are 2 extra bulbs.  One in each head light assembly. (Though some cars use the fog lights) They light up the road to the left or right of the main beam. They only work at slow speed and are activated along with the indicators or if the steering wheel is moved in either direction.

Dynamic curve lighting - the main headlights move and follow the direction of the car.

When I was looking at the Mk7.5 GTD the dealer switched on the headlights. I could see them move as they did their alignment and level checks. So it appears to have dynamic curve lighting.

I have never noticed any mention of the Mk7.5 performance Golfs having Static Cornering Lights. That's a shame as they work really well on our A3.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 10 April 2017, 11:38
The pre facelift Golf R/GTI/D have static cornering lights but they're built into the main headlight units themselves. The foglights are not used.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 10 April 2017, 11:41
Yes, the Mk7's have a side pointing bulb in the main front lights that do the corner lighting thing.

The 7.5's.... I don't know - when I looked at a 7.5 the other day it seemed to have the same freznel panel in the side for the cornering lights.

I think VW are trying to say that the 7.5 doesn't use the fogs for it - which as Joe said, the 7 already never did.

Just as well really, as it seems the fogs have been deleted somehow!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 10 April 2017, 13:01
This thread should be getting renamed the great foglight debate. 😴😴. Perhaps it's a good thing if it doesn't have fog lights, will stop those muppets who seem to think it's fine to drive with them on all the time cause it looks  :cool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 10 April 2017, 13:19
As Fred surmised, it seems that the MK7.5 LED headlights also have the static cornering lights as well ?

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2814/33567598510_4d470f6967_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T9fHys)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 10 April 2017, 13:23
Craig,

I here what you are saying and yes, those muppets annoy me as well. Thing is though I like the LED Fog lights on the current generation GTI/GTD models for the following reasons.

1. They are specific to the GTI / GTD models - no other has them.
2. They just complete the look at the front of the car.
3. Whilst I've probably only used them once or twice in proper foggy conditions, I've set my coming home / leaving home  lights to use DRL's and front Fog lights, as the wide pattern they throw makes them great as an approach light.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 10 April 2017, 13:33
Craig,

I here what you are saying and yes, those muppets annoy me as well. Thing is though I like the LED Fog lights on the current generation GTI/GTD models for the following reasons.

1. They are specific to the GTI / GTD models - no other has them.
2. They just complete the look at the front of the car.
3. Whilst I've probably only used them once or twice in proper foggy conditions, I've set my coming home / leaving home  lights to use DRL's and front Fog lights, as the wide pattern they throw makes them great as an approach light.

I have mine set to come on with the main beam and the coming home lights together with the DRL's

Another thing, has anyone ever been blinded by the fog lights on a Mk7? I meet loads of them and they are about the only front fogs that has never blinded me.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 10 April 2017, 14:17
As Fred surmised, it seems that the MK7.5 LED headlights also have the static cornering lights as well ?

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2814/33567598510_4d470f6967_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T9fHys)
That certainly looks like a Static Cornering Light to me.

So it would appear that the Mk7.5 has both Dynamic Curve Lighting and Static Cornering Lights :cool:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SCOTTE on 10 April 2017, 14:56
How do you set the fogs to come on for the coming home feature please?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 10 April 2017, 19:45
How do you set the fogs to come on for the coming home feature please?

Your going to need vcds or OBDeleven and....

Go into [09] Central Electronics
Go into Security Access and enter 31347
Scroll down until you see comfort illumination
Tap it and change the drop down bit to “Fog Light”
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: maxie on 12 April 2017, 11:26
has anyone seen the extra/add on spoilers, what they look like?

also why doesn't the gti get the 7 speed dsg box, ant ideas?

and i so wish the color chart on the build your own was better because i'm strugling with what color to get..
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 12 April 2017, 13:26
has anyone seen the extra/add on spoilers, what they look like?

also why doesn't the gti get the 7 speed dsg box, ant ideas?

and i so wish the color chart on the build your own was better because i'm strugling with what color to get..
I have just been through the German konfigurator and see no mention of rear spoilers. Though I do not speak German. So maybe it is just a mistake in the UK configurator. For example LED headlight used to be an option, but then they realised that they were standard on the car :rolleyes:

The 7 speed DSG should be available in the next few weeks on the GTI Performance.

Try using the German site to look at the colours. I think they look a little better and there is an option to see the car from lots of angles. However, nothing beats seeing the colours in the flesh. Though some of the recent photos come close.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 12 April 2017, 15:47
The front and rear spolier options are a mistake.... those are options from non-performance models...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: TonyJ on 12 April 2017, 16:14
has anyone seen the extra/add on spoilers, what they look like?

also why doesn't the gti get the 7 speed dsg box, ant ideas?

and i so wish the color chart on the build your own was better because i'm strugling with what color to get..
I have just been through the German konfigurator and see no mention of rear spoilers. Though I do not speak German. So maybe it is just a mistake in the UK configurator. For example LED headlight used to be an option, but then they realised that they were standard on the car :rolleyes:

The 7 speed DSG should be available in the next few weeks on the GTI Performance.

Try using the German site to look at the colours. I think they look a little better and there is an option to see the car from lots of angles. However, nothing beats seeing the colours in the flesh. Though some of the recent photos come close.

.... but look closely at the German configurator .....

You can get LOTS of additional colours (unless I'm reading it wrong ...). The additional cost is high - over 2000 euros. 
12 different blues, 3 reds, 4 greens etc. etc.

The standard colours are on Page 1, but look at pages 2-4 .......

 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 12 April 2017, 17:11

The 7 speed DSG should be available in the next few weeks on the GTI Performance.


Yeah but why isn't it standard on the GTI like it is with every car in the range if you pick DSG.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 12 April 2017, 17:31
Because it's a good way to upsell an expensive option?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: maxie on 12 April 2017, 17:32
7 speed dsg is not on the gti at all atm which has put me off getting mine, plus having to pay for paint and fitting for the spoilers plus  760 at build time.....

the spoilers are an add on in the config but it doesn't include paint or fitting. these are done by the retailer(at extra cost). it's meant to give them a sportier look etc. personally i'd have the front as i'm not to keen how the front looks, as for the back i'm not sure tbh....

(http://i68.tinypic.com/j090yv.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2uzuejq.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: david25 on 12 April 2017, 17:35
For an extra 2000 euros, you can have a big choice

(http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/golf/mk6%20colours.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 12 April 2017, 18:03
For an extra 2000 euros, you can have a big choice

(http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~dv8r/golf/mk6%20colours.jpg)

Which is a bit like the VW version of Audi individual colour range. I would like to see a 'Renault Sport' yellow.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 13 April 2017, 09:09
Because it's a good way to upsell an expensive option?
Then why have it in the GTD before the GTI? Maybe it was for emissions?

Whatever the reason I'm hoping the wait will be worth it. With the GTI Performance there is extra horse power, extra torque and the first 6 gears on the new DSG are shorter. It will be interesting to see what effect all those things have on performance. Combined with what VW engineers have learned from developing the Clubsport, Clubsport S and new Golf R. They have the right ingredients to make something a bit special. We will know soon enough.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mike. on 13 April 2017, 11:18
I bought an S3 last year which has the 7 speed DSG and I much preferred the 6 Speed in my GTI.
To me the 6 speed was more just like a fast manual whereas the 7 speed feels a bit more like an auto.

The first 6 gears are pretty much the same, the 7th gear is more like an overdrive.
This causes a lot of 7 to 6 to 7 to 6 gear changes when in D with gentle throttle application.

I did show a graph comparing the two back  in POST #399 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=272800.msg2555231#msg2555231)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JB GTI on 14 April 2017, 13:24
It does state on the VW site that the GTI comes with fogs.

I can confirm the 7.5 GTi does NOT have front fog lights in the lower bumper. My brother has just picked his up from the dealers and it looks far better in the flesh than the pictures show it. His is Isaac Blue and it is a cross between Graphite Blue from the Mk5/6 and Carbon Grey 👍👍 the other noticeable thing is how big the tail pipes are. I reckon you could poke the previous ones up the insides and they would still not touch the sides!!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 14 April 2017, 13:29
It does state on the VW site that the GTI comes with fogs.

I can confirm the 7.5 GTi does NOT have front fog lights in the lower bumper. My brother has just picked his up from the dealers and it looks far better in the flesh than the pictures show it. His is Isaac Blue and it is a cross between Graphite Blue from the Mk5/6 and Carbon Grey 👍👍 the other noticeable thing is how big the tail pipes are. I reckon you could poke the previous ones up the insides and they would still not touch the sides!!
I can vouch for the size of the tailpipes..... they're huge :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 14 April 2017, 14:00
It does state on the VW site that the GTI comes with fogs.

I can confirm the 7.5 GTi does NOT have front fog lights in the lower bumper. My brother has just picked his up from the dealers and it looks far better in the flesh than the pictures show it. His is Isaac Blue and it is a cross between Graphite Blue from the Mk5/6 and Carbon Grey 👍👍 the other noticeable thing is how big the tail pipes are. I reckon you could poke the previous ones up the insides and they would still not touch the sides!!

To be honest glad thats the case, be interest to know what else is wrong with the 'standard' spec list on the website.

Did it come with car mats?  :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 14 April 2017, 14:21
Pics of the Isaac Blue would be appreciated.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JB GTI on 14 April 2017, 14:26
It does state on the VW site that the GTI comes with fogs.

I can confirm the 7.5 GTi does NOT have front fog lights in the lower bumper. My brother has just picked his up from the dealers and it looks far better in the flesh than the pictures show it. His is Isaac Blue and it is a cross between Graphite Blue from the Mk5/6 and Carbon Grey 👍👍 the other noticeable thing is how big the tail pipes are. I reckon you could poke the previous ones up the insides and they would still not touch the sides!!

To be honest glad thats the case, be interest to know what else is wrong with the 'standard' spec list on the website.

Did it come with car mats?  :grin:

His has but so have both my Mk7's too. The trim on the interior is different. It used to be a shiny carbon effect but it more of a satin finish now on the doors and above the glovebox. The centre part of the dash is now Piano Black gloss the same as my R. Also I have to say I didn't like the look of the Parkers on the pictures I had seen but they look far better in the flesh. More angular .
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 14 April 2017, 14:46
Pics of the Isaac Blue would be appreciated.
+1

I can't find a good photo of this colour.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: andy28 on 14 April 2017, 15:18
I've just read the review of the Facelift GTI Performance on Autocar and it says that the performance pack adds the rain sensor/auto wipers and composition media (I.e. USB interface), both of which I think were standard on the MK7? I wasn't aware of this and now wonder what else has been dropped from the standard GTI...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 14 April 2017, 15:19
I'd love to know why the front fogs are fitted to some GTI's / D (all of the cars I've seen have them) and some don't. There must be some option that forces their deletion. Dynamic lights maybe?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 14 April 2017, 15:37
I'd love to know why the front fogs are fitted to some GTI's / D (all of the cars I've seen have them) and some don't. There must be some option that forces their deletion. Dynamic lights maybe?

Have seen any in Ireland without them? The only ones I've seen had them.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 14 April 2017, 15:56
I'd love to know why the front fogs are fitted to some GTI's / D (all of the cars I've seen have them) and some don't. There must be some option that forces their deletion. Dynamic lights maybe?

Have seen any in Ireland without them? The only ones I've seen had them.

No - any cars I've seen here have them fitted.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 14 April 2017, 18:36
I've just read the review of the Facelift GTI Performance on Autocar and it says that the performance pack adds the rain sensor/auto wipers and composition media (I.e. USB interface), both of which I think were standard on the MK7? I wasn't aware of this and now wonder what else has been dropped from the standard GTI...

Auto wipers, USB and Discover Nav are standard on the normal mk7.5 GTI. For the looks of their press pictures they didn't drive a UK spec car, and we all know how loaded the UK spec cars are compared to other regions.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: andy28 on 14 April 2017, 18:39
Thanks Hog_Hedge, I wish my car would hurry up and get here so I can stop worrying!!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 14 April 2017, 19:06
Thanks Hog_Hedge, I wish my car would hurry up and get here so I can stop worrying!!

When is yours due? Mine arrived at the port in Grimsby at 5am this morning :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: andy28 on 14 April 2017, 19:14
So jealous, when's the big day or is it still tbc? Mine is in "its final stage of its journey to the UK", it reckons approx 10 days to dealer :-)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 14 April 2017, 19:14
I've just read the review of the Facelift GTI Performance on Autocar and it says that the performance pack adds the rain sensor/auto wipers and composition media (I.e. USB interface), both of which I think were standard on the MK7? I wasn't aware of this and now wonder what else has been dropped from the standard GTI...

Auto wipers, USB and Discover Nav are standard on the normal mk7.5 GTI. For the looks of their press pictures they didn't drive a UK spec car, and we all know how loaded the UK spec cars are compared to other regions.

Another thing to remember is that it is Autocar, so not the best at getting things correct.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 14 April 2017, 19:39
So jealous, when's the big day or is it still tbc? Mine is in "its final stage of its journey to the UK", it reckons approx 10 days to dealer :-)

Mine says the exact same thing. It changed to that this morning when the boat arrived at Grimsby, maybe ours was on the same boat?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: infernox on 14 April 2017, 22:16
I bought an S3 last year which has the 7 speed DSG and I much preferred the 6 Speed in my GTI.
To me the 6 speed was more just like a fast manual whereas the 7 speed feels a bit more like an auto.

The first 6 gears are pretty much the same, the 7th gear is more like an overdrive.
This causes a lot of 7 to 6 to 7 to 6 gear changes when in D with gentle throttle application.

I did show a graph comparing the two back  in POST #399 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=272800.msg2555231#msg2555231)

I'm pretty sure I remember the 6 speed on the GTI having different ratios to the 6 speed in the R and S3. I just remember reading or hearing in a video someone talking about the GTI having tall gears, or was that only for the manual? I tried searching for it and found these 2 charts if it helps.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7018273-Manual-gearbox-weird-ratios-not-made-for-slow-driving&p=86058411&viewfull=1#post86058411

https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/comments/4s3fzq/gearing_chart_for_the_201516_golf_r_mkvii/
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Don76 on 15 April 2017, 08:38
Pics of the Isaac Blue would be appreciated.
+1

I can't find a good photo of this colour.

Here's a 5min video for you....

https://youtu.be/o-wUMc69Nb4
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 15 April 2017, 20:52
Good video of Isaac Blue and it does have front Fog Lights, which is what I'd like to believe I'd get in the UK as according to the latest VW price list!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Don76 on 15 April 2017, 23:01
Good video of Isaac Blue and it does have front Fog Lights, which is what I'd like to believe I'd get in the UK as according to the latest VW price list!

Unfortunately that's an EU car. UK cars 100% do not have fogs as standard.

Here's a couple of UK cars both of which have no fogs. Neither do any of the 6 or 7 I've seen in person at various dealers.

https://youtu.be/4AlMwKV-eYY

https://youtu.be/cMOlL6vpA1Y

Sorry to disappoint dude.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 16 April 2017, 11:00
Good video of Isaac Blue and it does have front Fog Lights, which is what I'd like to believe I'd get in the UK as according to the latest VW price list!

Unfortunately that's an EU car. UK cars 100% do not have fogs as standard.

Here's a couple of UK cars both of which have no fogs. Neither do any of the 6 or 7 I've seen in person at various dealers.

https://youtu.be/4AlMwKV-eYY

https://youtu.be/cMOlL6vpA1Y

Sorry to disappoint dude.

I have a feeling that by the time it comes to people taking delivery of their cars in a few months time they will have fogs.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 16 April 2017, 12:25
I have a feeling that by the time it comes to people taking delivery of their cars in a few months time they will have fogs.

Agreed. We've had all of the Mk7.5 stuff from VW and then the MY2018 changes with the official release by Evo1986 here, (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=280206.0) so plenty of opportunity for changing, or correcting, the spec. Fogs are still there, so there will be a great deal of poo hitting the proverbial if customer cars turn up without them.

Probably a supplier problem somewhere along the line. It'll be fine.  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Don76 on 16 April 2017, 15:34
I have a feeling that by the time it comes to people taking delivery of their cars in a few months time they will have fogs.

Agreed. We've had all of the Mk7.5 stuff from VW and then the MY2018 changes with the official release by Evo1986 here, (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=280206.0) so plenty of opportunity for changing, or correcting, the spec. Fogs are still there, so there will be a great deal of poo hitting the proverbial if customer cars turn up without them.

Probably a supplier problem somewhere along the line. It'll be fine.  :smiley:

I've seen 6 or 7 customer cars. Each with no fogs. When Audi facelifted the A3 a few months ago, they moved from xenon to LED headlights and with this removed front fogs here in UK.

I'm 100% confident our UK facelifts will not have fogs.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 16 April 2017, 15:49
I have a feeling that by the time it comes to people taking delivery of their cars in a few months time they will have fogs.

Agreed. We've had all of the Mk7.5 stuff from VW and then the MY2018 changes with the official release by Evo1986 here, (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=280206.0) so plenty of opportunity for changing, or correcting, the spec. Fogs are still there, so there will be a great deal of poo hitting the proverbial if customer cars turn up without them.

Probably a supplier problem somewhere along the line. It'll be fine.  :smiley:

I've seen 6 or 7 customer cars. Each with no fogs. When Audi facelifted the A3 a few months ago, they moved from xenon to LED headlights and with this removed front fogs here in UK.

I'm 100% confident our UK facelifts will not have fogs.

Audi done the same with the facelift Q3 but it was the same everywhere and not just the UK plus I've seen a UK reg car with fogs and all Irish cars have fogs. Was the facelift A3 in Ireland the same, no fogs.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Avallon on 16 April 2017, 16:03
Fog lights are certainly listed as standard in the VW New Golf pricelist - even has this statement:

1 Front fog lights on GTD and GTI models incorporate LED technology, but do not feature static cornering function.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Don76 on 16 April 2017, 17:02
Fog lights are certainly listed as standard in the VW New Golf pricelist - even has this statement:

1 Front fog lights on GTD and GTI models incorporate LED technology, but do not feature static cornering function.

Could the fog light capabilities be within the headlight cluster?
Or, could the brochure be wrong. Could the lights in the lower grill be the cornering lights option?

One things for sure, there are plenty out there with no lights in the lower grills.

Two UK cars below.

https://youtu.be/4AlMwKV-eYY

https://youtu.be/cMOlL6vpA1Y
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 16 April 2017, 17:34
Fog lights, fog lights, fog lights........................................... :whistle:

Surely there must be something more interesting about the facelift than fogs or no fogs? Come on chaps and chapesses!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 16 April 2017, 20:46
Just been messing with the Audi Q3 configurator, where the headlights are termed "All Weather LED".

Is this why our fogs have been deleted? Yes, I know it has previously been suggested that the LED headlights will do the job of the fogs, but this adds weight to that arguement, doesn't it?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: eatontrifles on 16 April 2017, 23:29
Fog lights, fog lights, fog lights........................................... :whistle:

Surely there must be something more interesting about the facelift than fogs or no fogs? Come on chaps and chapesses!
Maybe there is, but if you had ordered a brand new car and it turned up and didn't meet the specification listed by the manufacturer would you just accept it?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 17 April 2017, 09:13
Just been messing with the Audi Q3 configurator, where the headlights are termed "All Weather LED".

Is this why our fogs have been deleted? Yes, I know it has previously been suggested that the LED headlights will do the job of the fogs, but this adds weight to that arguement, doesn't it?

That being the case, maybe the others WITH fogs don't have the LED light pack? Or that if say in Germany the default is Xenons, which come with fogs, then you add the optional LED headlight, you still keep the fogs?

And I disagree that this isn't an important issue to try to figure out!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 17 April 2017, 09:24
The headlights in Ireland are the same as those in the uk - the new led units. And Irish cars have the fogs, certainly the half dozen facelifts I've seen anyway.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: MEZZA on 17 April 2017, 11:09
Has anyone seen on page 2 of the latest pricelist dated 6/4/17 there is a small box listing changes between 21/3/17
and 6/4/17 which says led headlights with dynamic light assist are now a no cost option on GTi/GTD and R models ?
Am I right in thinking this cost £310.00 when the launch pricelist came out ? - on page 25 of the pricelist it shows
that it is still £310.00 extra on GTE and e-Golf and £1285.00 extra on the SE Navigation,GT and R-line models.
BUT - in the same paragraph it says "only in conjunction with lane assist" - so to have this means you need to specify either lane assist with dynamic light assist and traffic sign recognition costing £630.00 or lane assist
with dynamic light assist/traffic sign recognition AND rear traffic alert plus traffic jam assist for £1225.00 - and this
latter option is only for DSG gearbox cars with both options only for 5 door models !!
So,in summary,it's not really a no cost option (unless I'm missing something) and also has any of this got anything to
do with - FOG LIGHTS !!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: MEZZA on 17 April 2017, 11:16
Just realised i've made an error ! - dynamic light assist is £310.00 extra on the GTE and GTE Advance models and £1285.00 extra on SE Navigation, GT and R-line models - all other points raised remain.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: MEZZA on 17 April 2017, 11:21
Actually,got it right the first time (just left out GTE Advance) !!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: maxie on 17 April 2017, 11:57
just reading the standard extras it says curtain airbag system for front/rear passengers is fitted as standard but it seems to be in the extras too...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Margy on 17 April 2017, 12:50
Tell me if I'm being a fool, but isn't the specification of a product, & correct pricing of such, a pretty basic requirement of a car company?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JB GTI on 17 April 2017, 13:29
Tell me if I'm being a fool, but isn't the specification of a product, & correct pricing of such, a pretty basic requirement of a car company?

Yes unless it is on Volkswagen's website 😂 I think they dispensed with the proof readers a long time ago. Somewhere in little letters it will have a get out clause if there are errors and omissions. Trouble is if you go to a dealer they very often are not much help and muddy the water even more. Such is life  :whistle:
.....I have a good salesman though.. should have him shot and stuffed and put on a wall !!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 17 April 2017, 13:52
Fog lights, fog lights, fog lights........................................... :whistle:

Surely there must be something more interesting about the facelift than fogs or no fogs? Come on chaps and chapesses!
Maybe there is, but if you had ordered a brand new car and it turned up and didn't meet the specification listed by the manufacturer would you just accept it?

Not really what I said was it? :rolleyes: I don't disagree with you but the huge number of posts and opinions on the subject so far has not really answered the question, unfortunately you may only find out for sure when you go to see your car. Which is a shame although personally I wouldn't be quite so bothered.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 17 April 2017, 21:48
so to have this means you need to specify either lane assist with dynamic light assist and traffic sign recognition costing £630.00 or lane assist with dynamic light assist/traffic sign recognition AND rear traffic alert plus traffic jam assist for £1225.00

On the old Mk7 options, to get the dynamic lighting you needed to spec the lane assist option, so this isn't new really.

I think the reason being is that the camera unit which looks for the white lines to follow also is the same camera unit that is used to detect objects for the light masking feature. Its also the same camera used for traffic sign recognition BUT a different camera used for the (old and not available on Mk7.5) High Beam Assist.

When the Mk7 came along this point was extremely unclear in the options brochure - the actual dynamic lighting system was a showcase technology for the Mk7, yet how you actually ordered it was a mystery to most.

Still, in 3.5 years they haven't learnt that lesson at all...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 18 April 2017, 14:47
Fog lights, fog lights, fog lights........................................... :whistle:

Surely there must be something more interesting about the facelift than fogs or no fogs? Come on chaps and chapesses!
Maybe there is, but if you had ordered a brand new car and it turned up and didn't meet the specification listed by the manufacturer would you just accept it?

Not really what I said was it? :rolleyes: I don't disagree with you but the huge number of posts and opinions on the subject so far has not really answered the question, unfortunately you may only find out for sure when you go to see your car. Which is a shame although personally I wouldn't be quite so bothered.

Maybe someone should start a new thread for the foglight issue? To be fair if I had a new mk7.5 turn up without them I'd be pretty annoyed, even if you dont use them the front bumper looks better with them.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 18 April 2017, 15:15
I have seen two GTI facelifts today and both did not have fog lights :evil:

The saga continues...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 18 April 2017, 15:16
Maybe someone should start a new thread for the foglight issue? To be fair if I had a new mk7.5 turn up without them I'd be pretty annoyed, even if you dont use them the front bumper looks better with them.
The big fat Fog light thread?

Fog-gate?

Where the feck are my fecking Fogs?

Fog or no Fog that is the question?


Having seen a GTD in the flesh I really don't think fog lights would make much difference to the appearance of the car. So personally it won't bother me if my car has them or not.

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 18 April 2017, 15:22
Maybe someone should start a new thread for the foglight issue? To be fair if I had a new mk7.5 turn up without them I'd be pretty annoyed, even if you dont use them the front bumper looks better with them.
The big fat Fog light thread?

Fog-gate?

Where the feck are my fecking Fogs?

Fog or no Fog that is the question?


Having seen a GTD in the flesh I really don't think fog lights would make much difference to the appearance of the car. So personally it won't bother me if my car has them or not.

It certainly is mist-ifying...... :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JB GTI on 18 April 2017, 15:23
Maybe someone should start a new thread for the foglight issue? To be fair if I had a new mk7.5 turn up without them I'd be pretty annoyed, even if you dont use them the front bumper looks better with them.
The big fat Fog light thread?

Fog-gate?

Where the feck are my fecking Fogs?

Fog or no Fog that is the question?


Having seen a GTD in the flesh I really don't think fog lights would make much difference to the appearance of the car. So personally it won't bother me if my car has them or not.

It certainly is mist-ifying...... :whistle:

Oh for Fogs sake  :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Adamw1987 on 18 April 2017, 16:19
I'm really looking forward to picking up my GTI next week or the week after depending when it gets out of grimsby port, My question is should i be expecting another £450 knocked of my price if it does not have the fog lights as expected?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 18 April 2017, 17:19
I'm really looking forward to picking up my GTI next week or the week after depending when it gets out of grimsby port, My question is should i be expecting another £450 knocked of my price if it does not have the fog lights as expected?

Fogget it..... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: eatontrifles on 18 April 2017, 17:25
I'm really looking forward to picking up my GTI next week or the week after depending when it gets out of grimsby port, My question is should i be expecting another £450 knocked of my price if it does not have the fog lights as expected?
It's a reasonable assumption, but not £450 as to add LED foglights to other models that don't have them is only £245.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Adamw1987 on 18 April 2017, 17:50
I'm really looking forward to picking up my GTI next week or the week after depending when it gets out of grimsby port, My question is should i be expecting another £450 knocked of my price if it does not have the fog lights as expected?
It's a reasonable assumption, but not £450 as to add LED foglights to other models that don't have them is only £245.


ah yes don't know where I got 450 from, but £245 inc VAT
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 18 April 2017, 17:56
I'd much sooner have the fogs, let's hope you guys whose cars are near get them factory fitted as per the brochure!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 18 April 2017, 20:25
Mines at Grimsby port too so hopefully get it soon I'll report back on foggate!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 18 April 2017, 20:28
I'm guessing that the answer will be that the LED headlights incorporate "all weather technology" and that you have this feature...

I honestly can't see them saying anything else and I am sure VW UK are aware of fog-gate on this forum!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Guzzle on 18 April 2017, 20:56
Given the choice I suppose i'd rather have them than not. I do think it looks better with. But if they're incorporated into the headlight units in some way then I could live with that.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 18 April 2017, 21:21
I'm guessing that the answer will be that the LED headlights incorporate "all weather technology" and that you have this feature...

I honestly can't see them saying anything else and I am sure VW UK are aware of fog-gate on this forum!

So you recon that they make two different headlight units for Ireland and the UK or that they thought that Ireland has had enough hardship over the years with crap weather and deserve free fog lights because of it.  :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 18 April 2017, 22:03
Each country's vw franchise make their own choices as to what is standard and what is paid for options. In Germany you get virtually nothing as standard... Still no idea what vw UK had in their minds though. Not even offering it as a option...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 18 April 2017, 22:58
Each country's vw franchise make their own choices as to what is standard and what is paid for options. In Germany you get virtually nothing as standard... Still no idea what vw UK had in their minds though. Not even offering it as a option...

I kind of meant my post as a bit tongue in cheek as being Irish I know only too well what the weather is like.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: maxie on 19 April 2017, 12:44
just been the vw dealership and fogs will not be fitted in the uk as it's built into the led daylights etc.. and he was shocked when the 7speed dsg wasn't an option on the gti..lol. as he thought it was meant to be on all new models..lol 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 19 April 2017, 13:06
just been the vw dealership and fogs will not be fitted in the uk as it's built into the led daylights etc.. and he was shocked when the 7speed dsg wasn't an option on the gti..lol. as he thought it was meant to be on all new models..lol
Would that be dynamic curve lighting?

So does this mean that the cars seen with fog lights, don't have dynamic curve lighting? Was that the LED option that was on the configurator?

The plot thickens.

Edit: if I had to decide between DCL and Fog lights. It would be dynamic curve lighting every time. It is a really good feature.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 19 April 2017, 13:07
just been the vw dealership and fogs will not be fitted in the uk as it's built into the led daylights etc.. and he was shocked when the 7speed dsg wasn't an option on the gti..lol. as he thought it was meant to be on all new models..lol

That will be your average 'not a clue dealer' then in that case. How could any dealer dealer not know what gearbox is an option on a car they sell.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: maxie on 19 April 2017, 13:31
i've just been on the phone to vw support and she's going to try find out, but looking at the new price guide the dsg 7 speed is available on the gti but only with the perf package.. if this is true i'll be putting my order on hold as it screams peepee take imho.. 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 19 April 2017, 13:41
i've just been on the phone to vw support and she's going to try find out, but looking at the new price guide the dsg 7 speed is available on the gti but only with the perf package.. if this is true i'll be putting my order on hold as it screams peepee take imho..

Yes, that is true - its very obvious from the configurator and I believe the press release announcing the PP says that DSG7 is one of the features you get by adding it.

Its curious why they have chosen to do this for the UK market... but who knows what VW UK are thinking these days.

You would imagine that the factory wouldn't want to be purchasing two different gearboxes and configuring using them either - it makes no sense from a cost/production perspective. Unless of course they have a pile of them to use up at the end of a supplier contract.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 19 April 2017, 13:44
i've just been on the phone to vw support and she's going to try find out, but looking at the new price guide the dsg 7 speed is available on the gti but only with the perf package.. if this is true i'll be putting my order on hold as it screams peepee take imho..

That's always been the case. Unlike "fogs-gate", its been clear from the outset that only the R and the GTI-PP have the 7-speed DSG.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 19 April 2017, 13:57
Actually, checking on the Vaterland, it seems our sausage munching friends also are presented with a DSG6 GTI unless you get a PP.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: maxie on 19 April 2017, 14:07
so every model gets a 7 speed dsg as standard except the gti,  i do not understand their thinking i really don't... 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 19 April 2017, 14:17
Other than FOMO, is there any real reason to care?

From what others have said, the DSG6 is more fun to drive...
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 19 April 2017, 14:43
Other than FOMO, is there any real reason to care?

From what others have said, the DSG6 is more fun to drive...
The figures for the Golf R indicates that the new 7 speed DSG has improved performance and economy.

Though there is little change for the GTD data.

I think the information from other countries indicates that there will be no improvement for the GTI Performance. However, the car has extra horse power, torque and weight from the VAQ differential.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 19 April 2017, 16:18
Yes, I agree that the other PP elements are worthy of the spend, but the DSG7 is IMHO the least attractive element of the pack.

And yes, I have no idea why you'd need to spec PP to get it.

But just spec PP anyway, the brakes if nothing else are worth it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: MEZZA on 19 April 2017, 16:54
Got to say I'm a bit disappointed if it's true about the fog lights even if it's only from a looks point of view and you do actually get fog lights in the main light units -  I think the lower fins in the bumper without the fogs look like there is something missing - the cars with fogs in the bumper complete "the look".
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 19 April 2017, 17:11

just been the vw dealership and fogs will not be fitted in the uk as it's built into the led daylights etc.. and he was shocked when the 7speed dsg wasn't an option on the gti..lol. as he thought it was meant to be on all new models..lol

My dealer didn't realise stated 3 times during his sales pitch the GTI today comes with the 7 speed.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 19 April 2017, 17:22
It never ceases to amaze me how given the limited knowledge you'd need to know everything sales related about the vw range that time and time again they don't have a clue. Compared to the product knowledge needed for my job it's pathetic. It's not hard to learn this stuff.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 19 April 2017, 17:39
It never ceases to amaze me how given the limited knowledge you'd need to know everything sales related about the vw range that time and time again they don't have a clue. Compared to the product knowledge needed for my job it's pathetic. It's not hard to learn this stuff.
I agree totally!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 19 April 2017, 17:41
Got to say I'm a bit disappointed if it's true about the fog lights even if it's only from a looks point of view and you do actually get fog lights in the main light units -  I think the lower fins in the bumper without the fogs look like there is something missing - the cars with fogs in the bumper complete "the look".
I agree - the front fogs for aesthetics look great.  IMO its a backward step on the looks front.  Coupled with no Sport & Sound option and they're not selling it strongly for me, even though I'm due to change shortly.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: ashley6285 on 19 April 2017, 18:14
Just had confirmation that orders for the MK7.5 PP have been pushed back to week 35. No details as to why though.

Maybe 7 speed DSG related?

Or could it be due to a shortage of front fogs......
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 19 April 2017, 18:26
Just had confirmation that orders for the MK7.5 PP have been pushed back to week 35. No details as to why though.

Maybe 7 speed DSG related?

Or could it be due to a shortage of front fogs......

Hmm interesting. That's the end of August so delivery days will be November onwards.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 19 April 2017, 18:51
Just had confirmation that orders for the MK7.5 PP have been pushed back to week 35. No details as to why though.

Maybe 7 speed DSG related?
I sincerely hope that is wrong. :cry:

Hmmm... must resist... temptation to... order Golf R :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 19 April 2017, 19:37
Just had confirmation that orders for the MK7.5 PP have been pushed back to week 35. No details as to why though.

Maybe 7 speed DSG related?

Or could it be due to a shortage of front fogs......

Jesus wept :shocked: I was hoping it was going to be way before that.  :angry: rrrrrr......R?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Don76 on 19 April 2017, 20:12
Just had confirmation that orders for the MK7.5 PP have been pushed back to week 35. No details as to why though.

Maybe 7 speed DSG related?

Or could it be due to a shortage of front fogs......

I doubt it'll be gearbox related as the DSG7 is in the GTD and no delays there....
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 19 April 2017, 20:46
I doubt it'll be gearbox related as the DSG7 is in the GTD and no delays there....
VAQ diff related?

Maybe high demand in the countries where the GTI Performance is already available to order?

Does anyone know if the delivery is being delayed in other markets?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 20 April 2017, 05:56
Just had confirmation that orders for the MK7.5 PP have been pushed back to week 35. No details as to why though.

Maybe 7 speed DSG related?

Or could it be due to a shortage of front fogs......

Thats crazy!, my PP is build this week! :)

Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Don76 on 20 April 2017, 07:52
Just had confirmation that orders for the MK7.5 PP have been pushed back to week 35. No details as to why though.

Maybe 7 speed DSG related?

Or could it be due to a shortage of front fogs......

Thats crazy!, my PP is build this week! :)

Could be a method to control used prices in years to come. If you make the PP rarer then values on both remain strong. Flood the market with PP, then std versions are worth less (not worthless)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 20 April 2017, 09:21
Thats crazy!, my PP is build this week! :)

Could be a method to control used prices in years to come. If you make the PP rarer then values on both remain strong. Flood the market with PP, then std versions are worth less (not worthless)
There is not going to be a limited number. Also, I doubt if VW really care about used values. It is more likely to be a parts and production issue and they are using this delay as demand management. It may not be related to the GTI Performance. It could be to maintain demand for the standard GTI to run out stock. This will also mean pent-up demand for the Performance model coming into the winter.

I spent quite a bit of time last night looking at the Golf R, but I really want a tow bar :sad: I briefly considered the current GTI and GTD. Then I went out and had a good look at my own GTD. My best option is to wait. It will be difficult, but I've waited this long.

On the bright side - the car will likely have week 44 updates and any early production issues ironed out :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 20 April 2017, 10:46
Thats crazy!, my PP is build this week! :)

Could be a method to control used prices in years to come. If you make the PP rarer then values on both remain strong. Flood the market with PP, then std versions are worth less (not worthless)
There is not going to be a limited number. Also, I doubt if VW really care about used values. It is more likely to be a parts and production issue and they are using this delay as demand management. It may not be related to the GTI Performance. It could be to maintain demand for the standard GTI to run out stock. This will also mean pent-up demand for the Performance model coming into the winter.

I spent quite a bit of time last night looking at the Golf R, but I really want a tow bar :sad: I briefly considered the current GTI and GTD. Then I went out and had a good look at my own GTD. My best option is to wait. It will be difficult, but I've waited this long.

On the bright side - the car will likely have week 44 updates and any early production issues ironed out :undecided:
I also have a GTI PP on order here in Denmark....due for delivery week 25....I dont think there should be any early production issues, the 7,5 GTI has no major engineering changes or new parts (except AID but that has been in the passat for a while already) the 1.5 TSI though is maybe a different matter :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 20 April 2017, 11:04
I also have a GTI PP on order here in Denmark....due for delivery week 25....I dont think there should be any early production issues, the 7,5 GTI has no major engineering changes or new parts (except AID but that has been in the passat for a while already) the 1.5 TSI though is maybe a different matter :whistle:
There is the new 7 speed DSG. Though it has been in the S3 for a while.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: juicelow on 20 April 2017, 11:29
I also have a GTI PP on order here in Denmark....due for delivery week 25....I dont think there should be any early production issues, the 7,5 GTI has no major engineering changes or new parts (except AID but that has been in the passat for a while already) the 1.5 TSI though is maybe a different matter :whistle:
There is the new 7 speed DSG. Though it has been in the S3 for a while.
Yep....good point...luckily I have ordered the 'proper' manual gear shift  :wink:
Out of interest, has anyone here heard about any issues with the AID ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 20 April 2017, 13:27
I'm the same as you Daz Auto, really (in an ideal world) would like to get in a FL GTI, but then looked out at my car (which isn't even a year old yet) and thought, even without the fancy LED headlights and new LED rears, the current car still looks the business. Also, whilst the LED units are probably very trick, the Xenon's on my current car are still very good.

Then to the interior. I really like the look of the Active info display (drove a new Tiguan with one), and it's really quite nice and a good use of the space available ahead of the driver. Also, whilst I've no doubts the new discover Nav Pro III in the FL cars which have some additional cool features over my MIB II Nav Pro, (aside from the bigger screen), my Nav unit has been great and when I sat in the sales Managers new FL "R" at my local dealer, the huge 9" screen and gloss black surround was a massive fingerprint magnet and everywhere was absolutely covered with fingerprints.

So for me, currently what it boils down to is about a second faster 0-60 (I'm not really a traffic light grand-Prix person), for the GTI over the GTD (top speed is academic), and maybe a little quicker 30-50 and 50-70, but in itself the GTD isn't exactly slow and seems fast enough. I'd also be losing around 10(ish) MPG average over the GTD economy wise around town to 15-20ish on a run (overall then no biggie). No, for me the real killer is to get out of my 10 month old GTD and get a FL GTI with similar spec, for around the same payments per month as I'm currently paying would cost me around £6k in deposit fees. That's an awful lot for a car that is 80-90% the same as my current car. Don't get me wrong, if I had the money to throw at it, I'd probably jump, as I think the new GTI's with the optional Bresica alloys and the other updated tweaks looks the business.

Unfortunately with the wife being a bank manager, that isn't really an option at present  :grin: As such, like you I've decided for the time being (say around the next 18 months or so) to put up with my outdated last generation, oily, noisy and socially and politically unacceptable banger, with it's outdated (so yesterday) lights and clockwork gauges and will consider either a FL or a MK8 (if announced in the next 1-2 years or so) at that time.

The one thing I've learned, is that there will always be a newer model with better tech, different looks and perhaps more efficient engines with better performance just after you have splashed a large amount of cash down on a new car. Chasing the newest and greatest is a fools game.

In any case, the old girl doesn't look too bad does she ?

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3883/32968219026_940e0845a8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SehJVq)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 20 April 2017, 13:42
Looks great sootchucker, and your argument for not changing yet is spot on.
I do less than 4000 miles per year in my GTI so will be hanging on to it for a long time, probably 8-10 years if my last car is anything to go by :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: SRGTD on 20 April 2017, 13:53
If I was in your shoes Sootchucker, it would be an easy decision; definitely keep your current GTD. Yours looks great, and you can't get the facelift in Carbon Grey, which is another reason not to change :smiley:.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 20 April 2017, 14:17
I'm the same as you Daz Auto, really (in an ideal world) would like to get in a FL GTI, but then looked out at my car (which isn't even a year old yet) and thought, even without the fancy LED headlights and new LED rears, the current car still looks the business. Also, whilst the LED units are probably very trick, the Xenon's on my current car are still very good.
Looking at your car and the spec - you would be mad to change.

My car will soon be 6 years old and my dealer has been trying to get me to change for 2 years now. I explained to him - my problem is I always want to change my car. I'm still quite happy with the Mk6 GTD I have, but now my circumstances have changed. If I was still doing big miles I would be happy enough to keep my current car and wait for the Mk8.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Guzzle on 20 April 2017, 14:21
If I had a car as nice as yours Sootchucker I wouldn't dream of changing after such a short time, especially for what is (engine aside) pretty much the same car. Still looks fantastic.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 20 April 2017, 14:22
If I was in your shoes Sootchucker, it would be an easy decision; definitely keep your current GTD. Yours looks great, and you can't get the facelift in Carbon Grey, which is another reason not to change :smiley:.

Huh...never thought about that and I do love the CSG, especially when it's clean.... isn't the new Issac Blue supposed to be very close to CSG (sorry a bit off topic) ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JB GTI on 20 April 2017, 21:28
If I was in your shoes Sootchucker, it would be an easy decision; definitely keep your current GTD. Yours looks great, and you can't get the facelift in Carbon Grey, which is another reason not to change :smiley:.

Huh...never thought about that and I do love the CSG, especially when it's clean.... isn't the new Issac Blue supposed to be very close to CSG (sorry a bit off topic) ?

It is. It's a bit lighter but is the closest you can currently get to Carbon grey but instead of the greeny hues of Carbon in bright sunshine you get subtle blue in certain lights. It definitely looks more grey unless it is in bright sunshine then the blue really comes through.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 20 April 2017, 22:16
Got a call from the dealer today and my 7.5 GTI will be ready for pickup next Tuesday :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: andy28 on 20 April 2017, 22:26
Great news hog_hedge. I'm not too far behind you - a week on Saturday for mine!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 20 April 2017, 22:54
Great news hog_hedge. I'm not too far behind you - a week on Saturday for mine!

I'm so excited! I've booked the whole week off work :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: eatontrifles on 20 April 2017, 23:19
Got a call from the dealer today and my 7.5 GTI will be ready for pickup next Tuesday :)
When was your build week?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: hog_hedge on 20 April 2017, 23:22
When was your build week?

Week 14, 3rd April.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: eatontrifles on 21 April 2017, 09:36
When was your build week?

Week 14, 3rd April.
Nice one, have fun! Let us know if you get fog lights!  :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 21 April 2017, 11:36
When was your build week?

Week 14, 3rd April.
Nice one, have fun! Let us know if you get fog lights!  :grin:

Haha, i have order fog lights. ..But is it not ugly?! :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Adamw1987 on 21 April 2017, 13:59
I can pick mine up on Wednesday, Dealer sent me a video of mine lol, so far on the fog front
--------------------
Hello Adam
 
Your new car doesn’t have front fog lights, when the old model did.
 My manager has called Volkswagen UK for clarification.
Thank you
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(https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2017/04/21/gti01447.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 21 April 2017, 14:10
Sweet, no fogs. Happy about that.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 21 April 2017, 14:20
It seems conclusive that VW UK product/marketing have decided to delete the fogs for whatever reason only known to themselves. VW Germany give all the markets the flexibility to add/delete spec and thats what VW UK have done. Likely reason - some cost trimming.

They are definitely fitted to Irish cars.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: davyk31 on 21 April 2017, 14:23
Saw 3 facelift GTDs this week and none had fog lights. Does look a bit plain without them.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 21 April 2017, 15:11
No doubt, when VW gauge the reaction, they will be "added to the spec." with a resounding TA-DAAA!
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: eatontrifles on 21 April 2017, 15:24
No doubt, when VW gauge the reaction, they will be "added to the spec." with a resounding TA-DAAA!
The thing is, they're already on the spec - it just looks like they aren't being fitted to the cars.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Skye on 21 April 2017, 15:50
Hi, I think it's something to do with the LED's. Tne next car I'm getting has no fog lights or head light washers.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 21 April 2017, 16:43
No doubt, when VW gauge the reaction, they will be "added to the spec." with a resounding TA-DAAA!
The thing is, they're already on the spec - it just looks like they aren't being fitted to the cars.

Yes, yes, yes, I do read threads, hence the inverted commas!  :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: MEZZA on 21 April 2017, 18:13
I think everybody on this forum who is planning to purchase a GTi/GTD (even those who aren't !) and would prefer the fog lights in the bumper should e-mail VW UK asking that they be made available,making the point that even though a fog light function may well be incorporated into the LED light units on UK cars,it's more to do with appearance.
I'll be sending mine shortly !
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 21 April 2017, 19:13
Hi, I think it's something to do with the LED's. Tne next car I'm getting has no fog lights or head light washers.

Hmm no headlight washers... The 7.5 definitely has those. It has to have those legally for HIDS, be them xenon or led.

I've just checked the photos of the car I saw the other week at the dealership and definitely washers... No fogs tho lol
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: MEZZA on 21 April 2017, 19:23
VW really aren't helping themselves - if you look at the website for the new Golf and click on either the "Overview"
tab or the "Features & Styles" tab you'll find various pictures of a Red GTi proudly displaying the bumper fogs,that's
in addition to them showing on the configurator car display !
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Sootchucker on 21 April 2017, 19:53
Thought headlight washers were only a legal requirement for Xenons. Read about something to do with the LED units being able to control the spread of light much better and quicker, so less risk of blinding on coming drivers when they get a bit dirty ?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Guzzle on 21 April 2017, 20:09
I thought that too.

The Seat Leon Fr comes with LED headlamps as standard and you need to specify the winter pack to get headlamp washers.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: JoeGTI on 21 April 2017, 20:14
Washers are legally required for xenons only. LED's generally not. But they come with the winter pack. Not sure if fitted otherwise - there could be just blank cutouts in the bumper.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: drisser on 21 April 2017, 21:24
washers def not needed on LED.  My 330d has LED lights and washers were an option.

Personally that stinks and tbh I don't know if VW LEDs are better than BMW (I would guess similar but probably no better) and I don't rate them any better than xenons really with the disadvantage that you don't have headlight wash so if I could have traded LED's for xenons and had something else I would have but they came as standard on the 3 series M sport + pack.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 21 April 2017, 21:53
AFAIK...

Headlight washers and automatic levelling

Part 6.2.9. "Other requirements" says: "Dipped-beam headlamps with a light source or LED module(s) producing the principal dipped beam and having a total objective luminous flux which exceeds 2,000 lumen shall only be installed in conjunction with the installation of headlamp cleaning device(s) according to Regulation No. 45.”

Part 6.2.6.2.2 says "... devices which are adjusted manually, either continuously or non-continuously, shall be permitted, provided they have a stop position at which the lamps can be returned to the initial inclination defined in paragraph 6.2.6.1.1. by means of the usual adjusting screws or similar means. These manually adjustable devices shall be operable from the driver's seat."

However, part 6.2.9. says “With respect to vertical inclination the provisions of paragraph 6.2.6.2.2. above shall not be applied for dipped-beam headlamps:

(a) With LED module(s) producing the principal dipped beam; or

(b) With a light source producing the principal dipped beam and having an objective luminous flux which exceeds 2,000 lumen."

So, these laws say you must have washers and automatic levelling only if the light source is more than 2,000 lumens total output, or the light is produced by LEDs (of any brightness), according to (b), above.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 21 April 2017, 22:30
Jesus, what's wrong with just having headlights? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: physio on 22 April 2017, 09:10
the  new mk 7.5 must be available to Bentley workers now 
I have seen at least 8 this week  all GTi 's   :laugh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: maxie on 26 April 2017, 13:32
is it just me, or does this bumper look a lot better than the gti?

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2po9jz6.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 27 April 2017, 11:28
New FL DBP GTI here http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=280272.0 on behalf of a new member just in case anyone here has missed it.  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CHB100 on 27 April 2017, 16:17
New FL DBP GTI here http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=280272.0 on behalf of a new member just in case anyone here has missed it.  :smiley:
Thanks, yep missed it entirely. Certainly more aggressive looking than the 7, about b time too! Still on the right side of subtle. :wink:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mon2s on 27 April 2017, 16:54
Ref the foglights, my car (GTD) has arrived at the dealers and does not have them.  I had questioned this prior to its arrival.

Today, the dealer rang to advise that they had received a VW bulletin stating that all early model GTD/GTI cars had been built without foglights (in error).  Henceforth UK cars will have them.

Makes early cars a bit special I feel !  Price reduced by £245 as that is what they cost as an option.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Talk-torque on 27 April 2017, 17:08
Bit of a cop out by VW, as they would cost a fair bit more than £245 to retro fit.

Presumably, the privilage re order is at the original conditions, ie. no extra cost, just the inconvenience of waiting a few more weeks. I'd be tempted to go that way, just to see if it squeezes out a better offer.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Guzzle on 27 April 2017, 17:13
Likewise
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 27 April 2017, 18:26
Ref the foglights, my car (GTD) has arrived at the dealers and does not have them.  I had questioned this prior to its arrival.

Today, the dealer rang to advise that they had received a VW bulletin stating that all early model GTD/GTI cars had been built without foglights (in error).  Henceforth UK cars will have them.

Makes early cars a bit special I feel !  Price reduced by £245 as that is what they cost as an option.

How does that explain all Irish cars having them fitted, even before UK deliveries? Dealers will tell you anything if they think people will believe it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 27 April 2017, 22:18
It would have helped if VW had been more proactive on this. At least people power of the members has made them see sense & agree to the fitting of the front fogs to reinstate the cars iconic look with them.  Let's now see if we can get the Sport & Sound option on the shopping list asap.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 27 April 2017, 22:31
It would have helped if VW had been more proactive on this. At least people power of the members has made them see sense & agree to the fitting of the front fogs to reinstate the cars iconic look with them.  Let's now see if we can get the Sport & Sound option on the shopping list asap.

Well I did say a while ago that I bet that later cars will have the fog lights. As for the sport and sound pack, I hope it does turn up because it really is worth it.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mon2s on 28 April 2017, 07:22
Well for me, I prefer the cleaner look without them - and it differentiates the facelift a little more from my existing Mk7.  If they were an option, I would not have added them.  The R doesn't have fogs and I always preferred the face of them.

I will make sure I have a copy of the said VW bulletin to show why mine doesn't have them just in case there are issues at trade in time.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 29 April 2017, 17:06
A facelift black 3dr GTI was parked right in front of me today. I had a good look around it. This is the first time I have seen the new Parker alloys in the flesh. They do look much better than they appear in photos. Also the tartan seats have really grown on me.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 May 2017, 22:30
When I went back to my car today a facelift Golf R was parked beside it. :rolleyes: Lapiz blue, 5dr, Pretoria alloys, DSG, keyless. The thing that struck me seeing the Mk6 and Mk7.5 cars side-by-side was the similarities in the style of the headlights. Probably why I like the facelift.

Also saw a Reflex Silver 3dr Mk7 Golf R with Cadiz alloys. That would have been my choice of colour :cry: The standard alloys are distinctive and look really good. Not sure why people would opt to change them :huh:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: kalimon on 01 May 2017, 23:02
Has anybody seen a new GTI with the optional Sevilla alloys, the ones with the red rim?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 01 May 2017, 23:10
Has anybody seen a new GTI with the optional Sevilla alloys, the ones with the red rim?
They will be available for model year2018 build cars.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 02 May 2017, 18:32
A facelift black 3dr GTI was parked right in front of me today. I had a good look around it. This is the first time I have seen the new Parker alloys in the flesh. They do look much better than they appear in photos. Also the tartan seats have really grown on me.

Ah did you notice the lack of fogs though
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 May 2017, 08:57
Someone on another forum has noticed - electrically adjusted seats with memory is now on the configurator.

£325 but you have to spec leather at £1700 :rolleyes: Think I'll pass.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 06 May 2017, 10:29
I was just looking at the price list brochure. It shows the electric seats as a £525 pound option on the GTI/GTD. It says the £325 option is not available. Hmmm...

I wonder why their are 2 options? Could the more expensive option be for cloth seats?
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 07 May 2017, 11:45
I was still wondering about the electric seats. So I decided to check out the German konfigurator to see if it would shed any light on the matter. Would it be more up-to-date?

"Dazu müssen Sie auch diese Ausstattung hinzufügen:" = You must also add this equipment = Leather seats.

There is no option for cloth seats and electric adjustment that I can find. :undecided:

Still not sure why the price difference between £325 and £525, between the configurator and the brochure. Probably just a mistake somewhere.



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 16 May 2017, 07:08
http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/_20170513_100037_zpsujgrxal2.jpg (http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/_20170513_100037_zpsujgrxal2.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/_20170513_100037_zpsujgrxal2.jpg)

My GTI PP is in town, delivery tomorrow :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 16 May 2017, 09:03
http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/_20170513_100037_zpsujgrxal2.jpg (http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/_20170513_100037_zpsujgrxal2.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/_20170513_100037_zpsujgrxal2.jpg)

My GTI PP is in town, delivery tomorrow :)


Looking nice, I like the wheels the more I see them.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 16 May 2017, 09:17
http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/_20170513_100037_zpsujgrxal2.jpg (http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/_20170513_100037_zpsujgrxal2.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/_20170513_100037_zpsujgrxal2.jpg)

My GTI PP is in town, delivery tomorrow :)


Looking nice, I like the wheels the more I see them.

I can agree, but i will put on some 19" tomorrow when i get the car.. ;)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 16 May 2017, 09:43

Looks nice,,, ;)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/603393293-13404661-7_zpsruvc0hq9.jpg)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 16 May 2017, 11:12
Looks nice,,, ;)
I was worried about the alloys from looking at the pictures and reading peoples' comments. Now I have seen in the them in the flesh I am really happy with how they look. :cool:

As someone else said, "Money well saved." :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 16 May 2017, 12:15
Looks nice,,, ;)
I was worried about the alloys from looking at the pictures and reading peoples' comments. Now I have seen in the them in the flesh I am really happy with how they look. :cool:

As someone else said, "Money well saved." :grin:

I bought new 19"  aftermarket wheels with tires for 1200£ instead. So now i have both 18" inch and 19" for the same prize. As if a should upgrade to 19" at VW.. :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 16 May 2017, 12:43
Looks nice,,, ;)
I was worried about the alloys from looking at the pictures and reading peoples' comments. Now I have seen in the them in the flesh I am really happy with how they look. :cool:

As someone else said, "Money well saved." :grin:

I bought new 19"  aftermarket wheels with tires for 1200£ instead. So now i have both 18" inch and 19" for the same prize. As if a should upgrade to 19" at VW.. :grin:

You know you're going to have to show us some photos of the new wheels. Photos of them off the car will do for now :whistle:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 16 May 2017, 12:51
Looks nice,,, ;)
I was worried about the alloys from looking at the pictures and reading peoples' comments. Now I have seen in the them in the flesh I am really happy with how they look. :cool:

As someone else said, "Money well saved." :grin:

I bought new 19"  aftermarket wheels with tires for 1200£ instead. So now i have both 18" inch and 19" for the same prize. As if a should upgrade to 19" at VW.. :grin:

You know you're going to have to show us some photos of the new wheels. Photos of them off the car will do for now :whistle:

Coming this weekend.. ;). Next week Paintprotection film ( Same as Shmee.. ) and black mirrors ;)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: CraigW on 16 May 2017, 13:06
Looks nice,,, ;)
I was worried about the alloys from looking at the pictures and reading peoples' comments. Now I have seen in the them in the flesh I am really happy with how they look. :cool:

As someone else said, "Money well saved." :grin:

I bought new 19"  aftermarket wheels with tires for 1200£ instead. So now i have both 18" inch and 19" for the same prize. As if a should upgrade to 19" at VW.. :grin:

You know you're going to have to show us some photos of the new wheels. Photos of them off the car will do for now :whistle:

Coming this weekend.. ;). Next week Paintprotection film ( Same as Shmee.. ) and black mirrors ;)

Only difference being that you will be paying full cost for it whereas he will get a huge discount
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: GTD1414 on 16 May 2017, 13:36
The 18" Seville wheels have appeared on the configurator, for both GTD + GTI, the diamond cut type but with the red pinstripe, not grey. Somethings wrong methinks.. :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: maxie on 16 May 2017, 14:48
hi folks, i need the high beam asist with being disabled and i'm a little confused which extra i'd need..
sorry i'll be getting the gti :)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/24ceflz.jpg)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2lnk9bb.jpg)

i know the latter doesn't mention high beam asist, but i thought the dynamic lights did it already..
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 16 May 2017, 16:32
hi folks, i need the high beam asist with being disabled and i'm a little confused which extra i'd need..

i know the latter doesn't mention high beam asist, but i thought the dynamic lights did it already..
... I think it depends on the model you are buying and if there are LED headlights fitted.

High Beam Assist is for standard headlights (I think) and Dynamic Light Assist is for cars equipped with LED headlights. Did you try selecting the various options? Or speak to a dealer.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: fredgroves on 16 May 2017, 17:22
You need to tick the option for "Lane Assist with Dynamic Light Assist" - £630.

£630 quid gives you the camera that is used for lane assist/dynamic lighting/traffic sign recognition

Or if your car is DSG, you can have "Lane Assist Plus" for £1225 which adds Traffic Jam Assist and Rear Assist too.

The old "high beam assist" (that was cheap) is now not available on the Mk7.5.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: maxie on 16 May 2017, 17:31
You need to tick the option for "Lane Assist with Dynamic Light Assist" - £630.

£630 quid gives you the camera that is used for lane assist/dynamic lighting/traffic sign recognition

Or if your car is DSG, you can have "Lane Assist Plus" for £1225 which adds Traffic Jam Assist and Rear Assist too.

The old "high beam assist" (that was cheap) is now not available on the Mk7.5.
hi folks, i need the high beam asist with being disabled and i'm a little confused which extra i'd need..

i know the latter doesn't mention high beam asist, but i thought the dynamic lights did it already..
... I think it depends on the model you are buying and if there are LED headlights fitted.

High Beam Assist is for standard headlights (I think) and Dynamic Light Assist is for cars equipped with LED headlights. Did you try selecting the various options? Or speak to a dealer.

thanks guys....... :) 
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Briggsy on 16 May 2017, 18:39
Oops
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 17 May 2017, 05:51
Looks nice,,, ;)
I was worried about the alloys from looking at the pictures and reading peoples' comments. Now I have seen in the them in the flesh I am really happy with how they look. :cool:

As someone else said, "Money well saved." :grin:

I bought new 19"  aftermarket wheels with tires for 1200£ instead. So now i have both 18" inch and 19" for the same prize. As if a should upgrade to 19" at VW.. :grin:

You know you're going to have to show us some photos of the new wheels. Photos of them off the car will do for now :whistle:

Coming this weekend.. ;). Next week Paintprotection film ( Same as Shmee.. ) and black mirrors ;)

Only difference being that you will be paying full cost for it whereas he will get a huge discount

In Sweden we have Shmee discount ;)

Today is the DAY!. New GTI PP in 7 hours :)
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Mike22sum on 05 August 2017, 19:33
just been the vw dealership and fogs will not be fitted in the uk as it's built into the led daylights etc.. and he was shocked when the 7speed dsg wasn't an option on the gti..lol. as he thought it was meant to be on all new models..lol
Would that be dynamic curve lighting?

So does this mean that the cars seen with fog lights, don't have dynamic curve lighting? Was that the LED option that was on the configurator?

The plot thickens.
I have just been offered the price of the fog lights £275 with a payment in kind of up to £500 in total, the fog lights can't be retrofitted. Therefore I have rejected the car, I am awaiting VW's reply on this. I have heard of a few people rejecting the cars due to the fog light issue. The GTI's now come fitted with the fog lights as they should have done.
2017 GTI Indium grey Brescia alloys.

Edit: if I had to decide between DCL and Fog lights. It would be dynamic curve lighting every time. It is a really good feature.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Daz Auto on 07 August 2017, 16:04
That is not my quote above.

I have just been offered the price of the fog lights £275 with a payment in kind of up to £500 in total, the fog lights can't be retrofitted. Therefore I have rejected the car, I am awaiting VW's reply on this. I have heard of a few people rejecting the cars due to the fog light issue. The GTI's now come fitted with the fog lights as they should have done.
2017 GTI Indium grey Brescia alloys.
I think I would have taken the £500. Though my car has fog lights. :undecided:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: linc-dub on 07 August 2017, 17:53
That is not my quote above.

I have just been offered the price of the fog lights £275 with a payment in kind of up to £500 in total, the fog lights can't be retrofitted. Therefore I have rejected the car, I am awaiting VW's reply on this. I have heard of a few people rejecting the cars due to the fog light issue. The GTI's now come fitted with the fog lights as they should have done.
2017 GTI Indium grey Brescia alloys.
I think I would have taken the £500. Though my car has fog lights. :undecided:
Well my GTD has just arrived and it has fog lights - yeah!  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 13 September 2017, 17:58
Got a Recall from VW on my GTI.....  :cry:


They had fitted the wrong tire sticker on all the GTI!!.. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

Now it fixed on my  :grin:
(http://forumbilder.se/G9INM/dacktryck.jpg?width=150) (http://forumbilder.se/G9INM/dacktryck)



Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: mcmaddy on 14 September 2017, 06:20
Don't understand how the FL GTi has 38psi and the pre facelift has 36psi. Absolutely no difference between the two.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Wide on 14 September 2017, 07:24
Don't understand how the FL GTi has 38psi and the pre facelift has 36psi. Absolutely no difference between the two.

I know it is pretty high PSI. But in the letter from VW it was a security problem to have to low PSI.. :laugh: :grin:
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 14 September 2017, 11:53
Don't understand how the FL GTi has 38psi and the pre facelift has 36psi. Absolutely no difference between the two.

The higher the psi the lower the fuel consumption/emissions so maybe it's VW's attempt to get their fuel economy figures closer to laughable from farcical.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: Watts on 14 September 2017, 12:56
Don't understand how the FL GTi has 38psi and the pre facelift has 36psi. Absolutely no difference between the two.

The higher the psi the lower the fuel consumption/emissions so maybe it's VW's attempt to get their fuel economy figures closer to laughable from farcical.

I like that, very good :laugh: Strange though as the figure for 19" wheels hasn't changed.
Title: Re: MK7 GTI Facelift
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 14 September 2017, 15:19
Don't understand how the FL GTi has 38psi and the pre facelift has 36psi. Absolutely no difference between the two.

The higher the psi the lower the fuel consumption/emissions so maybe it's VW's attempt to get their fuel economy figures closer to laughable from farcical.

I like that, very good :laugh: Strange though as the figure for 19" wheels hasn't changed.

19" wheels are an option so they don't have to include them in their consumption figures, all they have to say is that if fitted then they will increase emissions.