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Title: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Sean465 on 01 February 2012, 22:31

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/new-volkswagen-golf-gti-mark-7-2012-01-30

Gutted....I will be at the lights, having only just had my MK6 for a few months, and some g1t will pulll up next to me in a Mk7 with 230BHP and 260 Lb/Ft... :sick:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: mkviken on 01 February 2012, 22:39
so its going to have an aluminium roof and bonnet. and a mechanical LSD this time :angry: bollocks.

I'm going to give my car to the mrs when its 2 year old anyway so might change then.

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: ajmoir36 on 01 February 2012, 22:41
New lighter gtd at 190bhp, yes please?
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 02 February 2012, 00:05
Can't wait for it  :smiley:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 02 February 2012, 00:11
Everything about the car in that article sounds appealing. The GTD sounds very promising, although I'm a petrol fan so will probably end up with the GTI.

But all the aspects such as lighter panels, more kit, more mechanical goodies, better torque and a reasonable power output (I can live with 230bhp), it's just sounding better and better.

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: ScottA on 02 February 2012, 00:23

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/new-volkswagen-golf-gti-mark-7-2012-01-30

Gutted....I will be at the lights, having only just had my MK6 for a few months, and some g1t will pulll up next to me in a Mk7 with 230BHP and 260 Lb/Ft... :sick:

Sounds like another excuse for a remap to me. I haven't even got my MK6 yet!
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Ginge 35Edition on 02 February 2012, 06:45
I wonder if we'll see one at gti international. Reads very well, just hope it isn't too much bigger cos its easy to lose the hot hatch feeling.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: danski on 02 February 2012, 08:45
Funny how they talk about how much less its going to cost to manufacture....I bet the price to the customer goes up though.

I couldnt afford to buy my GTD today, dont expect to be able to afford one when the 7 comes out.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Ginge 35Edition on 02 February 2012, 08:59
What you might see is an increase in front end dealer margin thus giving the dealer more to play with - hopefully! But I cant see the driver seeing a 20-30% reduction.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: HA54SYM` on 02 February 2012, 12:20
I agree, I think dealers will get more margin to play with on the mk7.

I think dealers and in particular UK dealers must have moaned like hell back at VW as they have been left with not a lot to play with, and having to have the price rises on top, which they know is killing new sales.

Therefore if they can cut production costs, and keep similar list levels as now they have more room for deals when needed and profits for them when not.

Time to start driving hard bargins I say then!

Dave
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: dubber36 on 02 February 2012, 12:44
Gutted....I will be at the lights, having only just had my MK6 for a few months, and some g1t will pulll up next to me in a Mk7 with 230BHP and 260 Lb/Ft... :sick:

And that will matter because?
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: RickS on 02 February 2012, 12:49
I've just got myself geared up to trade in my GTI for an R [even though I'm aware of the unveiling of the MK7 Golf in March with orders being taken from October]
Problem is the MK7 R probably won't be available until sometime in 2013 and I don't want to wait that long [I want to trade in my GTI whilst the residual value is still reasonable, otherwise I'll have to save faster to keep up with the depreciation]
Can anyone tell me how much a dealer has to play with on the price of a new R?
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: detritus on 02 February 2012, 13:08
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There will also be a new Audi-developed top-end hi-fi/nav/connectivity system that uses an eight-inch capacitive touchscreen - as per an iPad - for far more accurate control and higher definition. It also has a proximity sensor, so it can show an uncluttered map, say, but when your finger gets close it'll switch to showing buttons.

8" touch screen, nice!

Detritus.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: evo1986 on 02 February 2012, 13:47
I've just got myself geared up to trade in my GTI for an R [even though I'm aware of the unveiling of the MK7 Golf in March with orders being taken from October]
Problem is the MK7 R probably won't be available until sometime in 2013 and I don't want to wait that long [I want to trade in my GTI whilst the residual value is still reasonable, otherwise I'll have to save faster to keep up with the depreciation]
Can anyone tell me how much a dealer has to play with on the price of a new R?

Online discounts will fluctuate between 3-5 % depending on whether dealerships have passed mystery shops, audits etc.

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: HA54SYM` on 02 February 2012, 14:31
[even though I'm aware of the unveiling of the MK7 Golf in March with orders being taken from October]


You've been told that from someone at VW?

All press seems to state as per other thread that new golf preview Paris 2012 (Sep) and first deliveries March 2013. Meaning GTi in UK end of 2013 earliest?

Dave
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jv on 02 February 2012, 19:05
I know a lot of these info leaks are a load of tosh but if that's even half true I am genuinely excited about the next GTI :nerd:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 02 February 2012, 19:38
I'll be getting rid of my MK6 a year before the MK7 GTI comes out, the prices of the MK6 are going to tumble so fast when people can actualy buy the MK7.

Not sure what I'll get, I was thinking about a MK6 R but that will depreciation issues.

Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jdjd on 02 February 2012, 20:42
I'll be getting rid of my MK6 a year before the MK7 GTI comes out, the prices of the MK6 are going to tumble so fast when people can actualy buy the MK7.

Not sure what I'll get, I was thinking about a MK6 R but that will depreciation issues.

Jim

Prices for the R will hold steady as any new model will be 2014 delivery at the earliest. + The fact there just isnt that many
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 02 February 2012, 20:44
I'll be getting rid of my MK6 a year before the MK7 GTI comes out, the prices of the MK6 are going to tumble so fast when people can actualy buy the MK7.

Not sure what I'll get, I was thinking about a MK6 R but that will depreciation issues.

Jim

Prices for the R will hold steady as any new model will be 2014 delivery at the earliest. + The fact there just isnt that many

Really? I haven't heard anything mentioned about the R release dates, I know in the past the VAG group has done it this way for all we know the whole range could come out around the same time.

Either way though the R prices will also drop like a stone when a faster, lighter, new shape R comes out.


Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jdjd on 02 February 2012, 21:33
Really? I haven't heard anything mentioned about the R release dates, I know in the past the VAG group has done it this way for all we know the whole range could come out around the same time.

Either way though the R prices will also drop like a stone when a faster, lighter, new shape R comes out.



The GTI will be 6months after the 7 is launched and the R anywhere between a year and 18months.

I still see MK5 R's going for silly money. and exactly the same could be said about the Mk6 R over the 5 R.


http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=693 Just to back the point up
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Chris.Air on 02 February 2012, 21:49
You never know it might be lighter faster and 20% cheaper but will you buy one if looks sh!t????
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jdjd on 02 February 2012, 21:53
You never know it might be lighter faster and 20% cheaper but will you buy one if looks sh!t????

you can bet your grandma that its 20% cheaper to build but the cost reduction wont be passed on to us mugs in england
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: ajmoir36 on 02 February 2012, 21:58
You never know it might be lighter faster and 20% cheaper but will you buy one if looks sh!t????

you can bet your grandma that its 20% cheaper to build but the cost reduction wont be passed on to us mugs in england
Agreed
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 02 February 2012, 22:36

I still see MK5 R's going for silly money. and exactly the same could be said about the Mk6 R over the 5 R.


There is one additional factor to consider however.

The Mk5 R32 was arguably a "last of it's kind" in that it used the 3.2 V6. Aside from the glorious sound, the V6 also made the R32 quite a magical car - it was an engine that logically would never have found it's way into a hatchback but, when it did, it created something quite special.

Without causing offence to any R drivers, the R is essentially a re-bodied Audi S3. It's not really a unique car, and it's not really that special (in that it stands out within the VAG range). The R32 did, and that's why I expect it's residuals to be better than the R respectively.

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: ScottA on 02 February 2012, 22:43

I still see MK5 R's going for silly money. and exactly the same could be said about the Mk6 R over the 5 R.


There is one additional factor to consider however.

The Mk5 R32 was arguably a "last of it's kind" in that it used the 3.2 V6. Aside from the glorious sound, the V6 also made the R32 quite a magical car - it was an engine that logically would never have found it's way into a hatchback but, when it did, it created something quite special.

Without causing offence to any R drivers, the R is essentially a re-bodied Audi S3. It's not really a unique car, and it's not really that special (in that it stands out within the VAG range). The R32 did, and that's why I expect it's residuals to be better than the R respectively.



I would say the opposite. The R32 will be more expensive to tax and run than the MK6 R and so I would expect the residual values of the R to be better than the R32. I do understand what you are saying about the R32, but for the average driver who wants a quick car and likes the Golfs, I think the R is much more appealing. Only time shall tell. (I don't have either - I don't even have a Golf yet)
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 02 February 2012, 22:47

I still see MK5 R's going for silly money. and exactly the same could be said about the Mk6 R over the 5 R.


There is one additional factor to consider however.

The Mk5 R32 was arguably a "last of it's kind" in that it used the 3.2 V6. Aside from the glorious sound, the V6 also made the R32 quite a magical car - it was an engine that logically would never have found it's way into a hatchback but, when it did, it created something quite special.

Without causing offence to any R drivers, the R is essentially a re-bodied Audi S3. It's not really a unique car, and it's not really that special (in that it stands out within the VAG range). The R32 did, and that's why I expect it's residuals to be better than the R respectively.



Exactly the point I was just about to make, the R32 is still unique and IMO will become a classic.


Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: JoeGTI on 02 February 2012, 23:22

I still see MK5 R's going for silly money. and exactly the same could be said about the Mk6 R over the 5 R.


The R32 did, and that's why I expect it's residuals to be better than the R respectively.


Different market I know, but here in Ireland quite a few R32's would have been sold in 2007 (when people still had lots of cash!). Today, you wouldn't give one away for free. Road tax is huge on them here and everyone wants diesels now. If a GTI and R32 of same year were here side by side, the GTI would sell quicker and for more money.

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jdjd on 03 February 2012, 00:05
You could say an r32 is an Audi 3.2 quattro next arguement :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: JulesS3 on 03 February 2012, 09:29
You could say an r32 is an Audi 3.2 quattro next arguement :rolleyes:

The 3.2 audi A3 isnt billed as a sporty car, nor is it sold as one by audi. The R model Golf was.

The Golf R copied the S3
The Audi A3 copied the R32

Original will always be special
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 03 February 2012, 17:04
You could say an r32 is an Audi 3.2 quattro next arguement :rolleyes:

I was waiting for someone to say that, but although the cars share much of their underpinnings, in reality they are hugely different.


Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: mkviken on 03 February 2012, 17:07
a similar age/spec GTI would definitely sell before the R32 if both were for sale on the same forecourt.

problem is with the R32 is you need to tell people what it is all the time (unless they know about cars) where most people recognise a GTI as soon as they see one.

also the road tax and the thought or 3.2l running costs would make most folk sh!t their pants.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Snoopy on 04 February 2012, 13:07
so its going to have an aluminium roof and bonnet. and a mechanical LSD this time :angry: nuts.

I'm going to give my car to the mrs when its 2 year old anyway so might change then.


You could always fit a carbon fibre bonnet and a proper LSD to yours anyway :smiley:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: R32UK on 04 February 2012, 13:19
a similar age/spec GTI would definitely sell before the R32 if both were for sale on the same forecourt.

problem is with the R32 is you need to tell people what it is all the time (unless they know about cars) where most people recognise a GTI as soon as they see one.

also the road tax and the thought or 3.2l running costs would make most folk sh!t their pants.

Both cars are essentially an enthusiasts car anyway. Just start them both up if you want to show someone the difference.

Very true about running costs though... with the milage some people on here I would jump at the opportunity to get another 32.

tbh the mps is probably worse on fuel than the 32  :undecided:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: mkviken on 04 February 2012, 15:13
a similar age/spec GTI would definitely sell before the R32 if both were for sale on the same forecourt.

problem is with the R32 is you need to tell people what it is all the time (unless they know about cars) where most people recognise a GTI as soon as they see one.

also the road tax and the thought or 3.2l running costs would make most folk sh!t their pants.

Both cars are essentially an enthusiasts car anyway. Just start them both up if you want to show someone the difference.

Very true about running costs though... with the milage some people on here I would jump at the opportunity to get another 32.

tbh the mps is probably worse on fuel than the 32  :undecided:

yeah well the running cost wouldn't bother me at all as i only drive mine for pleasure anyway but the road tax would sting a bit. if i used it as a daily driver i would prefer the GTI. if i could have found a mint very low mileage R32 i would have considered it. i prefer it to the R20 anyway.




that top gear thing says that the have moved the front wheels forward or engine back to reduce understeer. sounds like this is a really well thought out improvement over the 5/6. of course a lot of this could well just be the usually journo hype!
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Exonian on 04 February 2012, 15:18
Maybe if they're going back to a torsion beam axle on the base models they want to tidy the front end handling up so the car isn't any worse to drive than the outgoing model? It may also be due to space issues and crumple zones or pedestrian impact legislation requiring a lower bonnet line. I'm sure it'll be more of a saving £££ issue than an engineering excellence thing, but will be marketed as the other way round!
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: mkviken on 04 February 2012, 15:28
by the look of it they're doing what ford did with the fiesta platform and made it easily adjustable for each model dimension and marketing type in a way thats cheap to produce.

the fiesta platform will be used on cars much bigger than the fiesta in all kinds of body styles across the world and it seems VW are doing the same (though they more or less do anyway i suppose)
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: JulesS3 on 05 February 2012, 18:14
Road tax will never make a difference to any car I buy, whats the GTI for a year £240? So about 50p more a day for the R32 over a year?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: mike. on 05 February 2012, 18:17
GTI is £190/year but it wouldn't deter me either for all the difference over a year..
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Belix on 05 February 2012, 18:48
little bit more info posted a few days ago
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/03/what-we-know-about-the-2013-volkswagen-golf-next-gen-gti/
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jv on 05 February 2012, 19:17
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VW's new line of NVIDIA-powered modular infotainment systems, and along with that <snip> a Mercedes-like fatigue detection system that will let the driver know when it's time for a nap and a cup of coffee.

Awesome tie in promotion potential - "Driver, you are tired, I have updated the navigation directions to take you to the nearest Starbucks, then Travelodge"
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 06 February 2012, 00:03
I have to say, this new car is sounding better and better the more I hear about it.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: R32UK on 06 February 2012, 08:23
for all the gizmos and crap the put in the new car.. it would really be nice to see a stripped out version similar to the R.26.R.

No doubt it will cost more as expected from VW, but lets see if the GTI really is the daddy of handling also
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: JulesS3 on 06 February 2012, 09:28
Fingers crossed for siri integration with the new VAG range  :cool:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jdjd on 06 February 2012, 12:33
Should start a poll for the price,

I bet a 3door manual base spec starts at 26k
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: R32UK on 06 February 2012, 16:19
Fingers crossed for siri integration with the new VAG range  :cool:

now that would be something... could tell all audi drivers what cnuts they all are  :grin:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: RedHP on 06 February 2012, 18:25
Should start a poll for the price,

I bet a 3door manual base spec starts at 26k

In today's difficult, private market, I'd say approx £23k for a 3-door base GiT

Red
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: andykram on 06 February 2012, 22:11
£23k? A price cut?

Don't be so silly!!!!

At the very best it'll be the same price and they'll market that as "Great Value" or some such VW crap.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 06 February 2012, 22:13
£23k? A price cut?

Don't be so silly!!!!

At the very best it'll be the same price and they'll market that as "Great Value" or some such VW crap.

Agreed, I think it will be the same price as the MK6 when it comes out.


Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Snoopy on 07 February 2012, 10:04
Prices for ALL makes have moved up and on so people who think because of the current climate prices will fall imo are mistaken VW are not going to price it lower than the competition especially with the current exchange rate. Were UK/Europe not USA and until people stop buying cars that will never change.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 07 February 2012, 10:44
Prices for ALL makes have moved up and on so people who think because of the current climate prices will fall imo are mistaken VW are not going to price it lower than the competition especially with the current exchange rate. Were UK/Europe not USA and until people stop buying cars that will never change.

I'll see what price of the new Focus ST is, I think that's going to be great car.  I had recently thought about getting a used R or S3 but with less that a few years to go until they are replace, I'm holding onto mine for one more year then I'm outa here....


Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: JulesS3 on 07 February 2012, 11:35
The new current crop of hot hatches are around 23-24k so about 26k max for top spec ones.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 07 February 2012, 11:47
Prices for ALL makes have moved up and on so people who think because of the current climate prices will fall imo are mistaken VW are not going to price it lower than the competition especially with the current exchange rate. Were UK/Europe not USA and until people stop buying cars that will never change.

I'll see what price of the new Focus ST is, I think that's going to be great car.  I had recently thought about getting a used R or S3 but with less that a few years to go until they are replace, I'm holding onto mine for one more year then I'm outa here....


Jim

Oh and another reason why the ST is going to be tempting is that there will be a factory supported power upgrade, 300 HP without having to worry about warranty etc.....


Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 07 February 2012, 12:07
Prices for ALL makes have moved up and on so people who think because of the current climate prices will fall imo are mistaken VW are not going to price it lower than the competition especially with the current exchange rate. Were UK/Europe not USA and until people stop buying cars that will never change.

I'll see what price of the new Focus ST is, I think that's going to be great car.  I had recently thought about getting a used R or S3 but with less that a few years to go until they are replace, I'm holding onto mine for one more year then I'm outa here....


Jim

Oh and another reason why the ST is going to be tempting is that there will be a factory supported power upgrade, 300 HP without having to worry about warranty etc.....

Jim

That has already been in place on the current ST. Mountune offered the 260bhp package on the ST which was warranty covered. Likewise Vauxhall had some warranty performance upgrades on their VXR models.

Clearly that tempted all of us out of our current GTI's  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 07 February 2012, 12:12
The downside I suppose is that VW will be locking the ECU's on their cars from now on. Which means those going for extra power will not be able to achieve it so discreetly, but then again some people won't be deterred by that.

The modern problem with the GTI has consistently been that it is underpowered compared to it's rivals. But that hasn't really stopped the GTI selling.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: pottinger on 07 February 2012, 12:36
Prices for ALL makes have moved up and on so people who think because of the current climate prices will fall imo are mistaken VW are not going to price it lower than the competition especially with the current exchange rate. Were UK/Europe not USA and until people stop buying cars that will never change.

I'll see what price of the new Focus ST is, I think that's going to be great car.  I had recently thought about getting a used R or S3 but with less that a few years to go until they are replace, I'm holding onto mine for one more year then I'm outa here....


Jim

Oh and another reason why the ST is going to be tempting is that there will be a factory supported power upgrade, 300 HP without having to worry about warranty etc.....
Jim

Yeah, the DSG should be good too, oh hang on ..... :rolleyes: :grin:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 07 February 2012, 13:40
Prices for ALL makes have moved up and on so people who think because of the current climate prices will fall imo are mistaken VW are not going to price it lower than the competition especially with the current exchange rate. Were UK/Europe not USA and until people stop buying cars that will never change.

I'll see what price of the new Focus ST is, I think that's going to be great car.  I had recently thought about getting a used R or S3 but with less that a few years to go until they are replace, I'm holding onto mine for one more year then I'm outa here....


Jim

Oh and another reason why the ST is going to be tempting is that there will be a factory supported power upgrade, 300 HP without having to worry about warranty etc.....

Jim

That has already been in place on the current ST. Mountune offered the 260bhp package on the ST which was warranty covered. Likewise Vauxhall had some warranty performance upgrades on their VXR models.

Clearly that tempted all of us out of our current GTI's  :rolleyes:


Yeah Mountune was my point, I would love a VWR version but I doubt that very much.


Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: HA54SYM` on 07 February 2012, 14:21
Yes but the new ST is horrible to look at, just bareable in black, and only 5 doors.

Even the current ST owners are calling it black and blue!

Vauxhall GTC VXR looks best out of the next bunch, until we see the mk7 Golf or A/S3 for me.

Dave
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 07 February 2012, 14:31
Prices for ALL makes have moved up and on so people who think because of the current climate prices will fall imo are mistaken VW are not going to price it lower than the competition especially with the current exchange rate. Were UK/Europe not USA and until people stop buying cars that will never change.

I'll see what price of the new Focus ST is, I think that's going to be great car.  I had recently thought about getting a used R or S3 but with less that a few years to go until they are replace, I'm holding onto mine for one more year then I'm outa here....


Jim

Oh and another reason why the ST is going to be tempting is that there will be a factory supported power upgrade, 300 HP without having to worry about warranty etc.....

Jim

That has already been in place on the current ST. Mountune offered the 260bhp package on the ST which was warranty covered. Likewise Vauxhall had some warranty performance upgrades on their VXR models.

Clearly that tempted all of us out of our current GTI's  :rolleyes:


Yeah Mountune was my point, I would love a VWR version but I doubt that very much.


Jim

But my point was that despite Ford already having a warranty backed tuning option, we all still bought our GTI's. Therefore I don't expect it to be much of a factor when it comes to the Mk7.

The Focus ST won't be getting Ford's new dual-clutch transmission. They have opted for a manual only model. Although the estate option sounds interesting.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 07 February 2012, 14:38
All very true but this is the new Focus ST by all accounts it's a very nice car.


I'll be taking one for a test drive when they arrive.


Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: pottinger on 07 February 2012, 14:51
The new ST is probably a very capable car  :smiley: but I cannot get out of my head
someone (cant remember who or where) called it "a hairy chest wig of a car" 

The new model doesnt look much better
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/motorshows/paris-motor-show/256987/ford_focus_st_official_pictures.html

BUT is just my opinion of course ! - check out those rear seats - height of taste and fashion and should
look well cool doin donuts and burnouts in asda's carpark  :laugh: :wink: :grin:

Something is just right about the GTI and presumably thats why peolple join here  :wink:

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 07 February 2012, 15:44
The new ST is probably a very capable car  :smiley: but I cannot get out of my head
someone (cant remember who or where) called it "a hairy chest wig of a car" 

The new model doesnt look much better
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/motorshows/paris-motor-show/256987/ford_focus_st_official_pictures.html

BUT is just my opinion of course ! - check out those rear seats - height of taste and fashion and should
look well cool doin donuts and burnouts in asda's carpark  :laugh: :wink: :grin:

Something is just right about the GTI and presumably thats why peolple join here  :wink:



Apart from those seats I think the car looks great.  In fact the seats don't look too different to the Golf GTI Pirelli Editon.


Either way, we all have some decisions to make in the next two or so years.


Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: pearly on 07 February 2012, 16:02

The Grill is far to small   :evil:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jdjd on 07 February 2012, 18:47

The new ST won’t be available as a three-door (sales of the previous version were slow), but an estate could join the five-door for the first time. Both get a racy cabin, with coloured sports seats, a row of gauges on the facia and carbon fibre and piano black trim.

While the new Focus range goes on sale later this year, the ST won’t appear until late 2011. Expect a £24,000 price tag. Also at Paris, Ford will reveal its plug-in hybrid technology for the new C-MAX compact MPV.

Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/motorshows/paris-motor-show/256987/ford_focus_st_official_pictures.html#ixzz1lithzOC7
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no 3 door :s i think 5doors makes a car ugly.

and 24k on the focus...... going to be atleast 1k ontop of that for the gti, you best get saving ladies
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: DubaiGTI on 13 February 2012, 17:09
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/261258/

The new Golf GTI — expected to be powered by a 260bhp 2.0-litre petrol engine — also promises to set new standards for hot hatches. Sporting the new VAQ electronically controlled front diff, it will, VW claims, delivers much “more agile steering behaviour” and a much greater sense of precision through the wheel. According to VW, a VAQ-equipped Golf has lapped the Nürburgring 8.0sec faster than prototypes with a conventional differential.

Mmm!
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Mr GTD on 13 February 2012, 17:16
  :shocked: twin turbo GTD.....sounds promising!
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 13 February 2012, 17:48
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/261258/

The new Golf GTI — expected to be powered by a 260bhp 2.0-litre petrol engine — also promises to set new standards for hot hatches. Sporting the new VAQ electronically controlled front diff, it will, VW claims, delivers much “more agile steering behaviour” and a much greater sense of precision through the wheel. According to VW, a VAQ-equipped Golf has lapped the Nürburgring 8.0sec faster than prototypes with a conventional differential.

Mmm!

260 on a standard GTI, I wish!! but no chance IMO.


Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: HA54SYM` on 13 February 2012, 19:06
Still sounding good, new diff, lighter alloy bits, and 250bhp, with good standard spec.....

Dave
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jdjd on 13 February 2012, 19:47
and 250bhp


Keep dreaming
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jv on 13 February 2012, 20:01
Why not?

mk4 to mk5 gained 47 bhp :grin:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jdjd on 13 February 2012, 20:04
MK5 200
MK6 210

MK7 220?


Ide say its going to be 220, Dont think many would like to bet me im wrong either
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jv on 13 February 2012, 20:22
mk4 150

maybe it's time for a more significant jump
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 13 February 2012, 23:42
Why not?

mk4 to mk5 gained 47 bhp :grin:

Where does it leave the R to go? 300HP? Not VW's style.

I don't believe the the GTI will get more than 230.


Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 14 February 2012, 00:28
MK5 200
MK6 210

MK7 220?


Ide say its going to be 220, Dont think many would like to bet me im wrong either


I'd bet against you.

As has been said the Mk5 offered a significant jump in power over the Mk4. Now some may say that the Mk5 was unique in that it sought to re-cast the GTI as a class leader, but in reality it was just VW making a brilliant - and competitve - product. To do so VW gave the GTI more power - a good deal more power in fact.

Admittedly the game has moved on considerably since then and the power outputs of hot hatches has reached quite silly levels (not necessarily bad levels of power, but plain silly nonetheless).

At the very least the GTI will have 230bhp IMO. I suggest this because the Mk4 was 20bhp down on the ST170, and the Mk5 was 20hp down on the Gen 2 ST (rated officially at 222bhp). The new ST has been released with 250bhp, so I'd imagine VW won't let the ST get too much of a power advantage. As for the VXR, well I don't think it's really a rival for the GTI anymore (perhaps the next Scirocco  :undecided:) - the looks alone put it in a different market from the typical GTI customer and the practicality of a 3 door only line-up is sure to be a factor for some.

As for the 260hp figure - that can safely be thrown out the window I think. That's simply too ambitious.

The rumoured 250bhp is perhaps possible. If I'm honest, there's about 10% of me thinking that it will be 250bhp, purely on the grounds that the Mk7 is clearly going to be an all new effort from VW. All this talk of 'GTI only' lighter panels and mechanical diffs... I don't think VW is going to go to these lengths and then release the car with only 10bhp more.

But we shall wait and see.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: HA54SYM` on 14 February 2012, 07:45
To be fair, the power thing is all irrelevant.

I think we can all agree, it will have more than the mk6 210, but if its a lot lighter (standard MQB said to be same weight at mk4) and with alloy panels and a mechanical diff, then even if it only had 220 hp it would be a very promising car on paper, even compared to its so called rivals.

Dave

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Cliff_944 on 15 February 2012, 05:44
http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Volkswagen-Golf-VII-Engines.html

Nice photo!
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Daz Auto on 15 February 2012, 11:52
http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Volkswagen-Golf-VII-Engines.html

Nice photo!
"The diesel range of Volkswagen's seventh generation Golf will include a 2.0-liter unit with an output of 181 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque. The are also strong indications that the Golf GTD VII will get a twin-turbo diesel with an output of 220 hp."
 :shocked:

I think there will probably be a GTD with 181hp. Will there be second GTD available with 220hp?  :drool: There are rumours on the net that there may be a diesel Golf R. Would 220hp be enough for a R badge given all the torque?

A 220hp GTD would be quicker than all the current MK6 cars. Maybe even the current R? Would it need 4WD to cope with all the torque?

I'm having so much fun in my current car. Not only practical and comfortable, but also economical AND fun! GTDs are a great package. Would a diesel Golf R be as good a package?

This may be my next car :cool:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1068904_volkswagens-r-performance-brand-working-on-diesels-report (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1068904_volkswagens-r-performance-brand-working-on-diesels-report)
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: I.D.C. on 15 February 2012, 14:38
Have recently found out the next GTI will have 135 bhp while the GTI will be 100 kg lighter thanks to the lighter roof.
This will make for incredible handling while the car will feel a lot quicker also.
Was told the Golf will be out on June 2013 but don't know if the GTI will be out at the same time.

The new Polo R will have a brand new developed 1.6 TSI engine developing 210 bhp which will retail for £24,000 so expect the new GTI to be around the £27.000 mark.

I am seriously giving a Scirocco R consideration then change it in 3 years and go back to the Golf. I had a bad experience when I bought the Audi A3 when it first came out due to a fault. Trading Standards had to get involved. On that experience I don't want to get a new model until it has been in production for a couple of years by which time all faults ( if any ) will be fixed
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 15 February 2012, 14:48
Have recently found out the next GTI will have 135 bhp while the GTI will be 100 kg lighter thanks to the lighter roof.
This will make for incredible handling while the car will feel a lot quicker also.

Well that's it then. I'm out  :angry:

 :grin:

I'm assuming you mean 235hp?
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: I.D.C. on 15 February 2012, 15:21
Quote
I'm assuming you mean 235hp?
Sorry about that , yes you are right 235bhp.

Why are you out ?
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: pottinger on 15 February 2012, 15:22
worry about the mk7 when ITS HERE !

enjoy what mk golf you have today  :wink: there will ALWAYS be a newer version
coming unless time freezes in which case a car would be the last of ya worries  :smiley:

love my mk6  :kiss: :kiss: :rolleyes:

potts

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Daz Auto on 15 February 2012, 16:11
Have recently found out the next GTI will have 135 bhp while the GTI will be 100 kg lighter thanks to the lighter roof.
This will make for incredible handling while the car will feel a lot quicker also.

Well that's it then. I'm out  :angry:

 :grin:

I'm assuming you mean 235hp?

Nah... they are going to remove 75 horsies and make it 135hp as it only weighs 100kg. It'll be rocket powered. :evil:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 15 February 2012, 17:05
Quote
I'm assuming you mean 235hp?
Sorry about that , yes you are right 235bhp.

Why are you out ?

Just a wee joke about it only having 135hp, don't worry  :smiley:.

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: JulesS3 on 16 February 2012, 09:29
New S3 is rumoured to have 300bhp, which would mean the R (being an S3 in a dress) will have 300bhp. So the GTI could have more power.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Jimmymature on 16 February 2012, 11:01
New S3 is rumoured to have 300bhp, which would mean the R (being an S3 in a dress) will have 300bhp. So the GTI could have more power.

LOL, typical Audi driver! Why would the R be an S3? Why wouldnt the S3 be an R in a dress?  I know it is now as the S3 came out years and years ago but these cars are yet to be designed....



Jim
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: SilverChariot on 16 February 2012, 11:34
New S3 is rumoured to have 300bhp, which would mean the R (being an S3 in a dress superhero outfit) will have 300bhp.

Slight correction...
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: JulesS3 on 16 February 2012, 14:11
 :laugh:

The R is alot newer than the S3, so the new S3 will come out first and then the R will be based on it again. Simples.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 16 February 2012, 15:06
:laugh:

The R is alot newer than the S3, so the new S3 will come out first and then the R will be based on it again. Simples.

Or the S3 will come out first, then once all the niggles have been sorted the R will be released as the perfected version.  :wink:

And then Audi will get their pants in a twist that the R is a better car than the S3 and release a new RS3 just so they can be the attention grabbing hot hatch makers that they secretly are.

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Edi35 on 16 February 2012, 16:13
New S3 is rumoured to have 300bhp, which would mean the R (being an S3 in a dress) will have 300bhp. So the GTI could have more power.

No you have got that wrong the TT is a Golf in dress
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: JulesS3 on 16 February 2012, 17:20
:laugh:

The R is alot newer than the S3, so the new S3 will come out first and then the R will be based on it again. Simples.

Or the S3 will come out first, then once all the niggles have been sorted the R will be released as the perfected version.  :wink:

And then Audi will get their pants in a twist that the R is a better car than the S3 and release a new RS3 just so they can be the attention grabbing hot hatch makers that they secretly are.



Heres hoping, i will be purchasing an RS3 as my next car in a few years so a newer one is great!
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 16 February 2012, 21:47
New S3 is rumoured to have 300bhp, which would mean the R (being an S3 in a dress) will have 300bhp. So the GTI could have more power.

No you have got that wrong the TT is a Golf in dress

That's a bit of a stretch. The TT shares underpinnings but it's hardly a Golf in a dress. If you are going along the 'it's prettier' route then the Scirocco is the Golf in pretty clothing, but the TT is a 2+2, not a 5 passenger hatchback like the a3 and Golf.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: pottinger on 17 February 2012, 08:48
:laugh:

The R is alot newer than the S3, so the new S3 will come out

of the closet ?  :wink:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Snoopy on 17 February 2012, 09:35
:laugh:

The R is alot newer than the S3, so the new S3 will come out first and then the R will be based on it again. Simples.

Or the S3 will come out first, then once all the niggles have been sorted the R will be released as the perfected iversion.  :wink:

And then Audi will get their pants in a twist that the R is a better car than the S3 and release a new RS3 just so they can be the attention grabbing hot hatch makers that they secretly are.


if you do a search on the net you may find the r is actually suffering a lot more faults than the s 3 because of the.new heldex systems failing....
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: JulesS3 on 17 February 2012, 10:32

enjoy coming in a car ya love my :kiss:

potts



See, anyone can delete a bit of a quote (yes those are all words you used, i added nothing)

 :wink:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Daz Auto on 17 February 2012, 10:55
New S3 is rumoured to have 300bhp, which would mean the R (being an S3 in a dress) will have 300bhp. So the GTI could have more power.

No you have got that wrong the TT is a Golf in dress
I know the old TT was a dressed up golf. But the new TT is not.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/203047/audi_tt.html (http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/203047/audi_tt.html)

"First off, the new TT is not just a Golf coupe with a posher badge, even if the last one pretty much was."
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: pottinger on 17 February 2012, 11:00

enjoy coming in a car ya love my :kiss:

potts



See, anyone can delete a bit of a quote (yes those are all words you used, i added nothing)

 :wink:

 :grin: :kiss:
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: MAW73 on 17 February 2012, 11:28
New S3 is rumoured to have 300bhp, which would mean the R (being an S3 in a dress) will have 300bhp. So the GTI could have more power.

No you have got that wrong the TT is a Golf in dress
I know the old TT was a dressed up golf. But the new TT is not.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/203047/audi_tt.html (http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/203047/audi_tt.html)

"First off, the new TT is not just a Golf coupe with a posher badge, even if the last one pretty much was."

I’ve loved the TT’s ever since they first came out. I’ve always fancied buying one but as a modern family man I need boot space and 5 seats. Maybe one day.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: PenguinGTI on 18 February 2012, 16:23
I test drove the current TT before going for the GTI. It's a great car but like you I prefer having the space for when I need it, plus the TT felt a bit postbox like. Suppose that's just coupe for you.
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: jdjd on 18 February 2012, 17:43


if you do a search on the net you may find the r is actually suffering a lot more faults than the s 3 because of the.new heldex systems failing....
[/quote]

Yeah mine has f**ked up twice since I had it in November,
 1st time I had no 4wheel drive just front wheel for like a day and it just started working again

2nd time last night it happen when somehow the car stalled whilst reversing even though its DSG, This happened at very low revs, Then it started back up with only front wheel drive. Stopped for 10min restarted car and its working again :S
 Trip to dealers I think
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: DubaiGTI on 02 March 2012, 13:52
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25303

Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: R32UK on 02 March 2012, 14:24
I cant see many looking at the new S3 it looks like an ugly big sister version of the A1... and lets face it the A1 isnt exactly a looker 
Title: Re: New MK7 GTI Spec on Top Gear Website
Post by: Cliff_944 on 02 March 2012, 17:40
New S3 is rumoured to have 300bhp, which would mean the R (being an S3 in a dress) will have 300bhp. So the GTI could have more power.

No you have got that wrong the TT is a Golf in dress
I know the old TT was a dressed up golf. But the new TT is not.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/203047/audi_tt.html (http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/203047/audi_tt.html)

"First off, the new TT is not just a Golf coupe with a posher badge, even if the last one pretty much was."

My wife likes it.  I think its a girls car.  However, for everyday use and my main car I'd want something a bit more practical....