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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: infernox on 20 March 2017, 14:23
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Just saw a facelift Golf R on Autotrader, take a look.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703203468275?logcode=visc&fromSA=true
To me it really doesn't seem that much different from the pre-facelift after checking these pictures. The main difference is the front air intake and the wheels. The virtual cockpit doesn't seem as good as the Audi's version. I think with our cars being right hand drive, the infotainment system seems a bit awkward with all the controls being on the left, must be easier to use on left hand drive cars.
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The wheels are truly hideous. VW appear to have taken all their old wheel designs and spiralled/twisted them round a bit.
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£40k for a car that has 5k miles on it. Are they having a laugh?
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I was looking to get a new Golf R too but these pictures have put me off a bit. The 7 speed gearbox will be a plus, anyone know if the exhaust sound is better? I know the S3 facelift got some good exhaust noises now.
Yeah don't get me started on used car prices CraigW. No pictures yet but here's a 66 plate Golf R with 11k miles on it for £37k.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703022827251?
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I was looking to get a new Golf R too but these pictures have put me off a bit. The 7 speed gearbox will be a plus, anyone know if the exhaust sound is better? I know the S3 facelift got some good exhaust noises now.
Yeah don't get me started on used car prices CraigW. No pictures yet but here's a 66 plate Golf R with 11k miles on it for £37k.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703022827251?
Same car to the same spec brand new £34k on DTD
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How would that manage to have 5k miles on it? Haven't these facelifts literally just arrived at the dealers the last 2 weeks or so?
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£40k for a car that has 5k miles on it. Are they having a laugh?
It's a pre-reg'd dealer demo so they can't sell it for a few months hence the guesstimate at mileage.
Plus don't compare DTD prices which are fleet dept sourced with a retail showroom trying to get as much money out of punters as they can! :lipsrsealed:
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the wheels are terrible but fortunately prets are still an option (the first box I'd tick).
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I know I'm getting old and all that but reading through the spec list in the ad description takes forever. I remember looking at VW's in the old autotrader mag (in black and white!) and the most you'd hope for were a rear fog light, heated rear window and rear seat belts, maybe a radio too if you were really pushing the boat out! :grin:
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£40k for a car that has 5k miles on it. Are they having a laugh?
It's a pre-reg'd dealer demo so they can't sell it for a few months hence the guesstimate at mileage.
Plus don't compare DTD prices which are fleet dept sourced with a retail showroom trying to get as much money out of punters as they can! :lipsrsealed:
You have to compare to show the sheer madness of these prices. Anyone who buys a golf touching £40k is clinically insane in my opinion
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Particularly so if current depreciation trends continue and that car is worth £21-22k after two years.
But that's the way the market must be heading.
Add 5 doors, met paint, DSG, Prets and DCC (which seem to be almost de rigeur R options before we get into the luxury stuff) and what is the list price of an R at?
£40k headline price probably doesn't feature until you're looking at the new car tax regs to a lot of buyers.
"How much is it a month?" Is as far as it gets most likely.
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Well I was looking at a 5 Door one in Deep Black, DSG and Dynaudio and it ended up at £35,055. DTD have the lowest so far at £29,687 which seems like a good price.
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I was looking to get a new Golf R too but these pictures have put me off a bit. The 7 speed gearbox will be a plus, anyone know if the exhaust sound is better? I know the S3 facelift got some good exhaust noises now.
Yeah don't get me started on used car prices CraigW. No pictures yet but here's a 66 plate Golf R with 11k miles on it for £37k.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703022827251?
I'm sure I remember seeing somewhere that the new face lift Golf R comes with an akrapovic exhaust
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The acrapovic can be ordered as an accessory. Not sure if that includes the UK though.
There's also a particularly expensive looking Performance Pack being mooted for those that want to push their R properly north of £40k!
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I can't see the Akropovic exhaust on the VW Configurator but I did hear about the rumoured Performance Pack. VW made a video about it too. It looks like all Golf R's come with the Virtual Cockpit for free so that's good I guess.
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I can't see the Akropovic exhaust on the VW Configurator but I did hear about the rumoured Performance Pack. VW made a video about it too. It looks like all Golf R's come with the Virtual Cockpit for free so that's good I guess.
http://www.volkswagen.de/content/medialib/vwd4/de/dialog/pdf/golf-a7-pa/golf-r_variant-rkatalog/_jcr_content/renditions/rendition.download_attachment.file/golf-r_katalog.pdf
Scroll down the page a little and you'll see it.
Not a VW UK option *yet*
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Expensive car, but I rather like the wheels :cool:
(https://picload.org/image/rlipiipi/17352166_1333719860000441_3219.jpg)
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they look a lot better in that pic to be fair. Maybe its the black paintwork... which looks very nice there too!
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they look a lot better in that pic to be fair. Maybe its the black paintwork... which looks very nice there too!
Agree Joe, it does look good in black in that picture. I think I'd still go for the optional Pretoria wheels though as I'm not a fan of diamond cut alloys and I prefer the design of the Prets.
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Agree Joe, it does look good in black in that picture. I think I'd still go for the optional Pretoria wheels though as I'm not a fan of diamond cut alloys and I prefer the design of the Prets.
+1 to the prets.
I saw a very clean 3 door Lapiz with silver Prets at the weekend and it was perfection.
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Expensive car, but I rather like the wheels :cool:
(https://picload.org/image/rlipiipi/17352166_1333719860000441_3219.jpg)
Are there any more pictures of that car? It's the colour I'm thinking of getting and it looks nice in that picture.
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I think it's the new demonstrator for the VW dealer in Dundee
https://www.facebook.com/BarnettsVolkswagen/photos/a.668065046565929.1073741825.340340656005038/1333719806667113/?type=3&theater
(https://picload.org/image/rlipwppa/17353460_1333719806667113_4455.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/rlipwppr/17264765_1333720003333760_8505.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/rlipwpww/17352331_1333720046667089_6509.jpg)
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Expensive car, but I rather like the wheels :cool:
(https://picload.org/image/rlipiipi/17352166_1333719860000441_3219.jpg)
I like them as well at that angle but it would be a pain bending down that low to see my car in its best view.
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Thanks for that Phope. I like how it looks in the black compared to lapiz blue but not sure if its better than the pre-facelift. Looking at their facebook page, they just confirmed the pricing on the akropovic exhaust, quite expensive.
Here's the quote:
a lightweight titanium performance exhaust made by Akrapovič with honeycomb design which will cost £2,975 RRP
As expected everyone in the comments are saying its too much money for that.
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Another view of the Speilberg wheels with dirty tyres on Lapiz Blue :cool:
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/samsroadracing/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0436.jpg) (http://s55.photobucket.com/user/samsroadracing/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0436.jpg.html)
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Seems a lot of sour grapes going on here. Speibergs are not horrendous! Neither is the digital display, Think when you see one in the flesh (with Silver prets-Not Black!!!) Opinions may change? But understand if you own a MK7 R
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Seems a lot of sour grapes going on here. Speibergs are not horrendous! Neither is the digital display, Think when you see one in the flesh (with Silver prets-Not Black!!!) Opinions may change? But understand if you own a MK7 R
In your opinion.
I don't like them. The prets are the only ones to spec - in my opinion. :wink:
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For me it was a 50/50 decision on the Speilbergs or the Black Pretorias. I think the Speilbergs look great and really make the R different. What sold it for me with the black Pretorias, was the video of the review posted here taken in a German showroom. The car had the black Pretorias and I thought it looked amazing.
Secondly, it looks like the Performance Golf R which I like as well! One thing for sure is that whatever wheels someone specifies, their car will look terrific. Individuality is good :smiley:
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Seems a lot of sour grapes going on here. Speibergs are not horrendous! Neither is the digital display, Think when you see one in the flesh (with Silver prets-Not Black!!!) Opinions may change? But understand if you own a MK7 R
There's a lot of that. It's very amusing to read current R owners slating the facelift because it now makes their car out of date - get over it, cars get updated all the time! I remember buying a mk 5 GTI - one month later they updated the rear lights (which looked much better) - that's life! Some of the comments on here are ridiculous e.g. it's the same car. What? New front end, new front lights, new rear lights, new 19" alloys available (which look great), new virtual cockpit dash, new larger infotainment screen (which includes gesture control which is a first isn't it?), an additional 10bhp meaning a 0.3 sec increase in 0-60 times, AND the new 7 speed DSG gearbox. It's a significant upgrade. Think it looks great.
Paying 40 grand for it though is complete madness!
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Seems a lot of sour grapes going on here. Speibergs are not horrendous! Neither is the digital display, Think when you see one in the flesh (with Silver prets-Not Black!!!) Opinions may change? But understand if you own a MK7 R
There's a lot of that. It's very amusing to read current R owners slating the facelift because it now makes their car out of date - get over it, cars get updated all the time! I remember buying a mk 5 GTI - one month later they updated the rear lights (which looked much better) - that's life! Some of the comments on here are ridiculous e.g. it's the same car. What? New front end, new front lights, new rear lights, new 19" alloys available (which look great), new virtual cockpit dash, new larger infotainment screen (which includes gesture control which is a first isn't it?), an additional 10bhp meaning a 0.3 sec increase in 0-60 times, AND the new 7 speed DSG gearbox. It's a significant upgrade. Think it looks great.
£40,000 for a Golf!!.....I think I would go for an S3 for that price or even a pre owned RS3 ( all be it a couple of years old )
Paying 40 grand for it though is complete madness!
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Seems a lot of sour grapes going on here. Speibergs are not horrendous! Neither is the digital display, Think when you see one in the flesh (with Silver prets-Not Black!!!) Opinions may change? But understand if you own a MK7 R
There's a lot of that. It's very amusing to read current R owners slating the facelift because it now makes their car out of date - get over it, cars get updated all the time! I remember buying a mk 5 GTI - one month later they updated the rear lights (which looked much better) - that's life! Some of the comments on here are ridiculous e.g. it's the same car. What? New front end, new front lights, new rear lights, new 19" alloys available (which look great), new virtual cockpit dash, new larger infotainment screen (which includes gesture control which is a first isn't it?), an additional 10bhp meaning a 0.3 sec increase in 0-60 times, AND the new 7 speed DSG gearbox. It's a significant upgrade. Think it looks great.
Paying 40 grand for it though is complete madness!
Totally agree. I actually don't mind the 18" cadiz wheels too, and in fact, saves me on getting DCC as well. That's why I really controlled my options list and ended up paying just £27,500 (incl new tax rate) for a brand new facelift DSG Golf R. I just simply can't go wrong with this price :)
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It doesn't need to be 40k, you need to decide if you have 40k and if you don't trade off some of the bits.
Its easy to look at the configurator and go "but I can't live without all this stuff" but you can really... exercise a little self control... or dig deep and don't complain :)
Its not like a stock Mk7.5 R is exactly a Fiat Punto entry level is it?
Pano roof is heavy, potentially leaky and rattly.
19's look lovely but with the state of the roads (and its not going to get better) you are just on borrowed time before you smash one.
You don't need DCC if you don't have 19's.
NavPro is nice, but basic nav comes with the car now and apart from the bigger screen and some swipe rights, it doesn't give you anything extra.
Leather? Really? In fact, this more than anything else - its flippin expensive!
Reversing camera? Come on, its a small hatchback with no long backside, its nearly vertical AND you've got parking sensors.
That really expensive dynamic lighting? Its got bendy LED's already - far better than anything you've had before.
Race exhaust kit? Fit your own, cheaper and you get the stock one to keep to put back on.
DSG... well, in a way this does make sense, because the DSG7 box is actually more CO2 efficient than the manual, the saving on road tax might well make this worth paying for on an R. Go on, you can have that.
Paint... avoid the stupid pearlescent colours and fill your boots.
This has been brought to you by Fred "I'm a tight Yorkshireman and proud" Groves :)
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And for anyone who can't live without a fully loaded R, bear in mind that after 1st April, if the vehicle list price including options is more than £40k, there'll be VED implications. You may negotiate a lower (than list) price with the dealer, but it's a £40k manufacturer's list price that triggers the additional VED charge;
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables/vehicles-registered-on-or-after-1-april-2017
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Seems a lot of sour grapes going on here. Speibergs are not horrendous! Neither is the digital display, Think when you see one in the flesh (with Silver prets-Not Black!!!) Opinions may change? But understand if you own a MK7 R
There's a lot of that. It's very amusing to read current R owners slating the facelift because it now makes their car out of date - get over it, cars get updated all the time! I remember buying a mk 5 GTI - one month later they updated the rear lights (which looked much better) - that's life! Some of the comments on here are ridiculous e.g. it's the same car. What? New front end, new front lights, new rear lights, new 19" alloys available (which look great), new virtual cockpit dash, new larger infotainment screen (which includes gesture control which is a first isn't it?), an additional 10bhp meaning a 0.3 sec increase in 0-60 times, AND the new 7 speed DSG gearbox. It's a significant upgrade. Think it looks great.
Paying 40 grand for it though is complete madness!
Totally agree. I actually don't mind the 18" cadiz wheels too, and in fact, saves me on getting DCC as well. That's why I really controlled my options list and ended up paying just £27,500 (incl new tax rate) for a brand new facelift DSG Golf R. I just simply can't go wrong with this price :)
How did you manage that price with options? I thought I had a snip at 31500, 19"prets,pan roof, 5 door, DCC on top of yours, no tints though.
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It doesn't need to be 40k, you need to decide if you have 40k and if you don't trade off some of the bits.
Its easy to look at the configurator and go "but I can't live without all this stuff" but you can really... exercise a little self control... or dig deep and don't complain :)
Its not like a stock Mk7.5 R is exactly a Fiat Punto entry level is it?
Pano roof is heavy, potentially leaky and rattly.
19's look lovely but with the state of the roads (and its not going to get better) you are just on borrowed time before you smash one.
You don't need DCC if you don't have 19's.
NavPro is nice, but basic nav comes with the car now and apart from the bigger screen and some swipe rights, it doesn't give you anything extra.
Leather? Really? In fact, this more than anything else - its flippin expensive!
Reversing camera? Come on, its a small hatchback with no long backside, its nearly vertical AND you've got parking sensors.
That really expensive dynamic lighting? Its got bendy LED's already - far better than anything you've had before.
Race exhaust kit? Fit your own, cheaper and you get the stock one to keep to put back on.
DSG... well, in a way this does make sense, because the DSG7 box is actually more CO2 efficient than the manual, the saving on road tax might well make this worth paying for on an R. Go on, you can have that.
Paint... avoid the stupid pearlescent colours and fill your boots.
This has been brought to you by Fred "I'm a tight Yorkshireman and proud" Groves :)
Couldn't agree more. When I ordered my CC I ticked all the boxes and thought to myself I have to because I will regret it later. When I done the deal on the GTD it was too late to change spec and the only thing I had to have was the sport and sound pack so I only considered the cars that had that and was night blue. Couldn't be happier with the car. I will add car-net soon though and the pedal and tuning boxes are a must along with some minor cosmetic changes.
The rear camera on the CC was a must, I've driven vans with more 3/4 rear view.
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Seems a lot of sour grapes going on here. Speibergs are not horrendous! Neither is the digital display, Think when you see one in the flesh (with Silver prets-Not Black!!!) Opinions may change? But understand if you own a MK7 R
There's a lot of that. It's very amusing to read current R owners slating the facelift because it now makes their car out of date - get over it, cars get updated all the time! I remember buying a mk 5 GTI - one month later they updated the rear lights (which looked much better) - that's life! Some of the comments on here are ridiculous e.g. it's the same car. What? New front end, new front lights, new rear lights, new 19" alloys available (which look great), new virtual cockpit dash, new larger infotainment screen (which includes gesture control which is a first isn't it?), an additional 10bhp meaning a 0.3 sec increase in 0-60 times, AND the new 7 speed DSG gearbox. It's a significant upgrade. Think it looks great.
Paying 40 grand for it though is complete madness!
I was just quoting journalists on the virtual cockpit and new infotainment system. If anyone is wondering, I actually don't even have a mk7 golf, let alone a pre-facelift R, I've got an old 2008 Audi A3 that I'm looking to replace. So from an outside perspective it doesn't seem like much of a change to me. Like the new lights and 10bhp more are minor changes to me. New front end and new 19" alloys are a personal preference, some people prefer the old front end and some won't like the new alloys (which are optional anyway).
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Seems a lot of sour grapes going on here. Speibergs are not horrendous! Neither is the digital display, Think when you see one in the flesh (with Silver prets-Not Black!!!) Opinions may change? But understand if you own a MK7 R
There's a lot of that. It's very amusing to read current R owners slating the facelift because it now makes their car out of date - get over it, cars get updated all the time! I remember buying a mk 5 GTI - one month later they updated the rear lights (which looked much better) - that's life! Some of the comments on here are ridiculous e.g. it's the same car. What? New front end, new front lights, new rear lights, new 19" alloys available (which look great), new virtual cockpit dash, new larger infotainment screen (which includes gesture control which is a first isn't it?), an additional 10bhp meaning a 0.3 sec increase in 0-60 times, AND the new 7 speed DSG gearbox. It's a significant upgrade. Think it looks great.
Paying 40 grand for it though is complete madness!
Totally agree. I actually don't mind the 18" cadiz wheels too, and in fact, saves me on getting DCC as well. That's why I really controlled my options list and ended up paying just £27,500 (incl new tax rate) for a brand new facelift DSG Golf R. I just simply can't go wrong with this price :)
How did you manage that price with options? I thought I had a snip at 31500, 19"prets,pan roof, 5 door, DCC on top of yours, no tints though.
I used Nationwide cars who gave a massive discount on the base price. Options are not discounted though which suited me as I only added some 'light' options.
Please feel free to PM me if you need any further assistance.
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What delivery time did Nationwide cars say? I thought in the other thread some people were a bit cautious about them.
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What delivery time did Nationwide cars say? I thought in the other thread some people were a bit cautious about them.
12-14 weeks. I was one of the people that mentioned the long delivery time because that's what one of the sales guys told me. However this is not the case and was confirmed to me by the company director.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding come this June when I expect delivery. I think everyone on this forum who ordered in February should be expecting a June delivery.
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What delivery time did Nationwide cars say? I thought in the other thread some people were a bit cautious about them.
12-14 weeks. I was one of the people that mentioned the long delivery time because that's what one of the sales guys told me. However this is not the case and was confirmed to me by the company director.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding come this June when I expect delivery. I think everyone on this forum who ordered in February should be expecting a June delivery.
I heard there was concern that the cars would be first registered to Nationwide but i'm guessing this was a load of rubbish?
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I must have got in quick then as I ordered a R through DTD at the beginning of Feb, it was built last week and in transit.
originally told June/July by the dealer.
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If you've ordered beginning of February are you 100% certain it's a facelift model.
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Sure is, I ordered the DSG in White Silver which matches to the order details in the Vw tracker app.
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It would have to be. They stopped manufacturing the pre-facelift car a good while back now (late last year?) and the facelifted models have already started appearing in showrooms.
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What delivery time did Nationwide cars say? I thought in the other thread some people were a bit cautious about them.
12-14 weeks. I was one of the people that mentioned the long delivery time because that's what one of the sales guys told me. However this is not the case and was confirmed to me by the company director.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding come this June when I expect delivery. I think everyone on this forum who ordered in February should be expecting a June delivery.
I heard there was concern that the cars would be first registered to Nationwide but i'm guessing this was a load of rubbish?
That's right mate. I posted about this point on this or the 'other' forum (can't remember). Car is registered in the customer's name and as first owner. No difference between buying from Nationwide cars or a main dealer in terms of first ownership etc.
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Sure is, I ordered the DSG in White Silver which matches to the order details in the Vw tracker app.
Out of interest friend when did you order as am in no mans zone with mine :angry:
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Just checked my emails. It was the 9th February through DTD. The initial call with the dealer had a expected delivery time of June/July so he was also surprised at the build week.
I think it was the first day that the configuration appeared when I ordered so that could have had a bearing.
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Some more have been popping up that you might want to see.
Indium Grey Golf R DSG with 18" Cadiz Wheels for £34,445: http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703173382933?
(http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=29c969c104ef45108b08fcdd47e049c4)
White Golf GTI with new alloys for £24,999: http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703223557608?
(http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=eb9cfd4882cb417f9f9072e68ae1cc96)
I have to say, that Golf GTI price is lower than I thought it'd be. When I first saw it, I thought it was a clubsport and had to have a second look.
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Nice pictures but I really don't like the new Parker GTI alloys, bring back the Austins!