Thanks Fred. Yeah, that's what 'm trying to confirm. The wet clutch DQ380(?) in the GTI and R seems pretty reliable. Unlike the dry clutch DQ200 grenade. I'm really liking the new A3 in either 3-cyl or especially 1.5 4-cyl form, but I suspect both come with the DQ200. Despite Audi trying to disguise the fact calling it S-tronic. No way will I buy a car with that DQ200 gearbox.