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Re: tony_ack - 16v restore
« Reply #20 on: 19 August 2010, 19:24 »
Another quick update...

The car is booked in to fit the new gearbox in September - just hope it lasts until then! I've also booked it into a reputable local bodyshop to take the dent out of the left side, and touch up a few more places.

I finally fitted an uprated headlight loom. My 8v had quite a decent plug and play uprated loom, so I decided to use that.

Really easy to fit, as the uprated loom contained the plugs I needed to avoid chopping the original wiring. Works really well, but I could only get the dipped beam and full beam working. Then I remembered something about the MK2  having something where the main bulbs came on dimly with the sidelights - surely if the original wire feed was acting as a signal wire only, this could be the cause?

A quick search for 'dim dip resistor' on the forum answered the question, so I disconnected the resistor and the sidelights are fine now! The uprated loom makes a huge difference to the lights and is recommended to anyone who hasn't already done it.

I'm still removing parts from the 8v, and I occasionally come across random parts I want for the valver... I took all the parts listed in the last post (except the wheel arch trims and electric windows loom as that will have to wait until the dash is out  :sad: ). The hard scuttle cover cleaned up really well, and tidied up the engine bay.

I've also taken:
-Heater controls panel (with red, not orange-pink detail on the warm air mixer!)
-C-pillar trim screws and screw covers (it's the small things)
-Straight-thru heater pipes (not yet fitted)

The 8v is looking a bit sorry for itself now  :cry:



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Re: tony_ack - 16v restore
« Reply #21 on: 23 August 2010, 16:02 »
My old 8v is almost stripped.

I decided that with our baby being due any time, I wanted to hurry things up a bit with the breaking, so I decided to sell the shell, engine, gearbox, brakes, exhaust and running gear together as a GTI conversion donor car. I may have found a buyer already, so the lockup will be free again soon.

I've sold most of the panels off it, and the interior is now pretty much stripped too. Not bad to say I've done it in 10 days, only working on it in the evenings and weekends!

Once the shell is gone, it'll give me a bit of time to do a couple of jobs to the valver:
-replace heater matrix bypass valves with straight-thru pipes
-fit correct electric windows loom (this could be a nightmare)
-Replace right hand foglight as there is condensation in it
-Replace slam panel and

Then the next thing going in the garage is another little project - a 1985 8v GTI in Atlas Grey
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Re: tony_ack - 16v restore
« Reply #22 on: 01 September 2010, 23:58 »
What a week..

My crash-damaged 8v was stripped for everything except the conversion bits. The shell/conversion has also been sold and was picked up on Sunday  :cry: At least now I have an empty lockup again.

The 16v has had nothing else done to it except for a wash, but I have managed to break the central locking. It started with the pump buzzing in short spurts when the doors were locked, then the c/l would no longer unlock from the remote fob - just from the driver's door itself (it would still lock on the fob). Then one day I put the key in the door to unlock it, and it wouldn't turn, and then *SNAP* I heard something break in the door, and just the driver's door unlocked. The fob then operated the c/l on all doors except the driver's for a couple of days, but now it has completely given up. So that's my first job. Also quite a lot of other things to do when I have the time.

The 1985 GTI 8v will be coming soon - my dad has lost interest in it, and is giving his half of the project to me FOC.

And to top it all, I got another little project last Monday, weighing in at 8lb 4oz  :smiley:
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Re: tony_ack - 16v restore
« Reply #23 on: 04 September 2010, 18:59 »
I managed to get a couple of hours on this yesterday.

First of all, I tried to tackle the running problems. The car has been running lean and knocking for the last couple of weeks, but due to the condition of the airbox boot and the breathers, there was no point getting it retuned. So the first task was to replace worn rubber piping.

The airbox boot was slightly different, but I managed to fit it okay in the end. The boot that came off was splt and cracked in the folds, and a trail of gunk showed where it had been leaking on the underside. The ISV breather was swapped as it was covered in electrical tape, which suggested another leak. Finally the crank breather was changed - this was filled with gunk, and the rubber was very very soft and split in a couple of places. Changing these has definitely made a difference as the car struggles to idle when cold now. This isn't ideal, but at least it shows that the new parts have made a difference.

Next I looked at the central locking. I had a bit of a nightmare on Thursday, as I went to get some fuel and realise the petrol flap was locked and the central locking just wasn't working anymore (I didn't know about the lever behind the boot carpet). I ended up limping home on vapours before working out how to open the flap.

I had heard something snap in the driver's door, so that was the place to start. I took the door card off (again) and found the rod between the lock and c/l pump disconnected. I operated the rod by hand, and it worked again, but the pump was still whirring a little when locked. I suspected a leak in the system, so started in the boot with the pump itself. I disconnected the vac piping, covered the air hole in the pump, and operated the pump. It still made the whirring noise so it looked like I had found the problem! I switched the pump for a spare one, and problem solved!

My last job was to work out why the idle increase with the lights turned on. I started off by just swapping the idle control unit under the centre console, but the problem remained. I suspec the issue is in the wiring somewhere, but I didn't have time to start looking at that so left it there.
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Re: tony_ack - 16v restore
« Reply #24 on: 21 September 2010, 22:06 »
It's been a few weeks since the last update, but things definitely haven't been standing still

I took a camera with me today to get a few pictures, but forgot the memory card, so you'll have to make do with a couple of poor quality pics from my phone:

Sorting out the wiring issues (wiring hell...)



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Re: tony_ack - 16v restore
« Reply #25 on: 21 September 2010, 22:08 »
Idle problems with lights turned on
I took the lower dash apart and pulled out the centre console to get a better look at the ISV controller. I suspected that there must have been some short between the controller loom and the dash lights. I swapped the controller and loom to no avail, then after reading a couple of posts about the ISV controller, I realised that there was a wire connected that really shouldn't have been. A spare green plug is on the loom of the ISV controller, and someone had plugged it into a spare connector coming out of D12 on the fusebox (shared with cigarette lighter illumintation. My suspicions about the dash lights were correct! I unplugged it, and all was fine.

Original Electric windows loom
As previously mentioned, the car had had the electric windows retrofitted. I had already swapped the centre console for the correct one (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=156881.msg1465363#msg1465363), but was dismayed by the wiring, which was missing the relay and taking its live feed from the rear window demister. I had pulled the electric windows loom out of my 8v, and had it ready to go in.

I decided not to follow the original wire routing, as it actually goes along the top of the bulkhead behind the dash, and I was not in the mood to take out the whole dash for this. So instead, I routed the wiring above the lower dash. It took ages to get all the wiring in. I found the plugs on the mechs were different to those on the loom, so I begrudgingly chopped off the plugs and spliced in the existing connectors.

I managed to wire in the earth and the ignition live feed with no problems, but I couldn't connect the black signal wire as I didn't have anything to connect it to the correct plug and pin in the fusebox. I temporarily reconnected it to the rear window demister until I managed to get a spare D plug connector, complete with wires that I could use to salvage some of the wires and clips. I had to plug into D11 as D9 was taken up by the ISV controller. All is working now - the elecric windows seem to operate better - faster and with no slowdown, though I think it may be me imagining it!

Electric Mirrors
I had wanted these for a while. I think they are one of the luxuries that is quite useful, especially on a daily, as they help with parking. Also, the heating element is useful for those cold and/or damp winter mornings.

I took the lower dash apart again and got behind the fusebox. I had managed to get a 'D' plug from the same car as the mirrors (as mentioned above) so I cut the wire and connector clip out of it and it just plugged straight in. I had to use another ignition live pin in the fusebox (D7 I think as D9 is the ISV controller and D11 is the electric windows) The loom had had to be cut to get it out of the car, so it was spliced back together with a block terminal. I fed the r/hand mirror into the door (doorcard off of course). Space is getting a little tight in the rubber boot between the chassis and door now!

I connected everything up, and tried it out. Nothing. I started testing the components and wiring a bit at a time to figure out what was wrong. Both motors seemed to be okay and I managed to get them working by bridging some of the pins on the plug for the switch, so the wiring checked out. It had to be the switch. I took the switch apart and saw some corrosion on the copper. I gave it a good clean with a wire brush, reassemble and everything worked!

I connected the heated mirrors circuit too - this splices on to the signal wire for the rear demister. It seemed to work too - I could definitley feel the glass getting warmer.

Finally I installed the passenger mirror. This was the easy bit.

Now it was all installed, I decided to re-do the doorcard weather sheet, as it is the last time I plan on going into the doors for a while! I made sure the bottom was watertight, and then sealed around the top and sides.

Headlight range adjustors
These are fairly rare on MK2s, so I thought I'd take a punt on them! The kit was complete with motors, wiring and switch, and the wiring had been helpfully labelled.

The motors were a doddle to install (once the grille is off and the headlight is out of course). You need to remove the manaul adjustor - there are two parts to this, the screw at the front, and the white plastic nut behind the unit. The plastic nut twists to release. I wasn't too bothered about getting it off intact, as I wasn't going to use it again!

Once they were off, the motors just clip on. The loom to the fusebox is alread there, so you just plug and play into the existing wiring.

The switch is a little more complex. The wiring had been custom made, but it was a good effort, using the original colours for the wiring. There were even instructions telling me which wires to splice into on the headlight switch. Unfortunately one of the wires didn't exist on the back of my switch, but I soon found the right one. And now I have working range adjustors!

I have noticed that both the motors on these, and the motors on the mirrors are a little noisy compared to modern cars, but I guess that the technology used on the MK2 is a little more raw.
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Re: tony_ack - 16v restore
« Reply #26 on: 21 September 2010, 22:08 »
CO, idle
Since changing the breaters and the airbox boot, the car has been running like a bag of spanners. To be honest, it had never been running right, but it took a bit of tuning to realise.

Now that I was confident the the ISV was working and the air leaks were fixed, it was time to set the CO and idle.

Having managed to find a long enough 3mm allen key I followed the guide in the MK2 maintenance section (disconnect breather and bung up air box, disconnect red lead for ISV, then set idle to 1000rpm, lean out mixture until car almost stalls, then richen it slowly until you get a smooth idle).

I noticed straight away that the car idled better. I took it for a drive, and what a difference! The car had been pinking before, but now that had gone, and I am no longer fighting with it pulling away from me at low revs.

I think it is still slightly out as it hunts a tiny bit (+/- about 50rpm) sometimes, but it is a lot nicer to drive now. It finally feels like the car it should do.

Replacement gearbox
I picked up a replacement box a while ago, as mine was about to throw its diff. I cleaned it up the best I could, ordered new seals from VW, and then sent it off to a local VW specialist for a swap. The same garage had also done the clutch, so they offered the gearbox swap at a reduced price.

The box feels nice now, a lot smoother, and no 2nd gear crunch like the last one. I had supplied some Redline MTL to the garage so that probably has something to do with it. It's so smooth that I can change gear with one finger!

Replacement glass
My passenger window had a massive chip in it, so I got a replacement pane from another forum, along with a replacement rear screen (the elements for the demister were broken in mine).

I swapped the passenger window over while doing the electric mirrors - it's really easy - just lower the window until you can access the bolts. I removed the window rubber and the inner window scraper to make it easier, and the pane just lifts out. Refitting as always is the reverse of removal.

The rear window is a little more tricky, but I had done it before. You need to work the seal out from the inside until you are about 2/3 the way around, and then you should be able to slide the rest out. I tried using the string trick again to fit the new window, but it didn't work quite so well this time, and I had to fit most of the seal on the new windo by hand.

The elements work fine on the new window but the glass is pretty scratched unfortunately, so I may replace it again in the future.

Speakers
I realised that the right front dash speaker had stopped working. It turned out to be one of the connectors on the speaker itself, but I took the chance to upgrade it to the JBL speaker to match what was on the other side. While testing it, I found out that the rear speakers were wired up the wrong way round (left on right, right on left) so I ventured into the dash once again to sort it out

Grille strip
The colour strip under the grille was the only thing that let down the front of the car now. I had a spare one knocking about, so decided to paint it with the leftover paint from the bumper.

I used the technique that is becoming familiar to me now - I sanded down to the metal, reprimered, sanded down with 1200 grit, then a few coats of colour, followed by several coats of lacquer. I let it harden for a couple of weeks, then flattened with some 2000 grit, before polishing up.

I also managed to find a grille with almost all the clips intact, so gave the trim a coat of tornado red, cleaned it up, and attached the newly painted Royal Blue trim to that. It still has damn eyebrow spoiler holes though.

Replace foglight
There was a lot of condensation in one of the foglights. I had a spare, so decided to replace it. When I removed the old one I was met with a gush of water. Surprisingly the bulb still worked...

Heater hoses
The heater hoses were fitted with a bypass valve, and I decided to remove it before winter came in order to improve my heater. I am pretty sure the matrix has been replaced as loads of foam keeps coming through the vents (the foam on the vent doors is brittle after 20 years, and when you disturb it while replacing the matrix, you end up with it flying through your car for the next 12 months).

In order to lose as little coolant as possible, I went for one pipe at a time. I made sure the new pipe was corked at the matrix end, and then detached the old pipe at the cylinder head. I then put the new pipe on as quickly as possible. Once it was on, I removed the old pipe from the matrix, removed the cork from the new pipe and connected the other end to the matrix. I then did the same for the other pipe. I topped up with water and G12, then bled the system. Now my heater is even hotter!

Bodywork repair
I booked the car into a reputable local bodyshop. There is a big dent on the passenger lower rear quarter, and also the big vandal scratch. In addition, I asked him to sort out the spots of rust near each rear window, and a spot on the rear panel. He told me he would spray the whole rear quarter on the passenger side.

The car was away for 3 days, but I've got it back now and it looks loads better! I think the lacquer could do with a flatten and polish in a couple of weeks though. He did do a couple more bits as well, such as a rust spot on the driver's door, and the scratch on the passenger door, so  was pleased about that. The only one criticism is that it doens't look like he removed the passenger rear window, as there is a small paint defect near the seal. Still, it's a lot better than it was, and I should be able to hold off a full respray for a couple of years.

Roof rubbers
The ones on the car were shot, but I have some in better condition. I asked the paintshop to do the passenger side one, since they were spraying that side anyway. He did it, but told me it was a nightmare job, which didn't exactly fill me with confidence for the driver's side.

I removed the old seal by getting under it at the back with a screwdriver covered by a cloth. I then just peeled it back off the car - I wasn't bothered about damaging the old seal.

I fiddled with the new one for a while, then relaised how to do it.

I started at the back. There are two things to think about when replacing the seal. The first is the bit that fastens to the clips - the bit that's actually on the roof. The other bit fits over the lip on the shell - this is the outer side of the rubber.

I lined up the rubber, then starting at the back, I pushed the side of the rubber over the lip, just enough to get it started (it won't go all the way yet). Next I used a 1/4" drive extension to push down on the roof rubber over each clip, until I heard it click into place. After a couple of clips, I then went back to the start and pulled the side of the rubber outwards while pressing down, to get it completely onto the lip, and have it sitting flush. I did this all the way along, and found it quite easy! The only thing to remember is to feed the end of the rubber on the windscreen side under the wing before you start on the A-pillar clips (i.e. think ahead!)

Exhaust backbox I have managed to pick up a full VAG 16v exhaust system for pretty cheap, and in good condition. The main bit I was bothered about was the backbox, as the Timax one bugs me a little. Unfortunately I snapped the bolt for the rearmost exhaust hanger, so had to go and get it welded on. All done now - the backbox sits a lot better and sounds good too!

I'm sure there are lots of other bits I've done, but that will do for now! I'm taking the family to te seaside tomorrow, so hopefully we'll get a few pics of the car!
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Re: tony_ack - 16v restore
« Reply #27 on: 21 September 2010, 22:17 »
I've also found a pic of my old 8v I took before she was hauled away. I think the poor lighting adds to the effect  :cry:

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Re: tony_ack - 16v restore
« Reply #28 on: 10 October 2010, 16:30 »
Been a quiet month this month as far as repairs/upgrades go. The car has probably covered about 1200 miles this month, and has done it all without skipping a beat mechanically. A couple of problems have appeared though:

Reverse lights not working
A coincidence that the gearbox was swapped last month? I think not. I swapped the reverse light switch for the one on the old gearbox, and all works fine now.


Central Locking Issues
The curse of unreliable MK2 central locking struck again. The first I knew about it was when my alarm went off at work. I went to switch it off and everything was normal. Strange... I drove the car later, and the c/locking activated when the engine was on to lock the doors (a feature of the alarm), but when I stopped and parked up, it wouldn't unlock. So I was trapped! I tried the catch, but ended up just pulling the little white tab off its guide again. I eventually got out by lowering the window and unlocking from the outside.

It stayed broken until I got a chance to look at it yestaerday. I fixed the catch in the door (doorcard off AGAIN but just as well as the membrame was leaking) and then tried the central locking. The pump operated again briefly after the car was locked. I took the pump out and moved it a bit and the problem went away. Hmmmm... I just put it all back together and hoped it will be alright now. Which it is. For now...

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Re: tony_ack - 16v restore
« Reply #29 on: 10 October 2010, 16:33 »
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