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Re: Keyless car hacking
« Reply #20 on: 25 October 2017, 09:36 »
I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.
They seem to be overpriced but are good quality.
Hard to know which ones are good and which ones are junk on Amazon or eBay.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JNWH83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_af87zbT3S7PVT

£30 for a bag with a bit of tinfoil in the lining,  :rolleyes:

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Re: Keyless car hacking
« Reply #21 on: 25 October 2017, 09:39 »
I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.

Just to repeat myself.... the threat isn't just in the house... it can happen in a car park just as easily.

So, if you have to put your keyless fob in a bag that is sealed and then take it out to use it... haven't you just effectively stopped using keyless entry? Its actually easier to hit the blipper on the standard remote lol.

How is the threat the same in a car park?

The reason people put them in the bags at home is so that "Signal repeaters" can't pick up the signal from the key and re-transmit them to the car. Signal repeaters have limited range. I somehow doubt that (unless they're tailing you, which I'd be more worried about) they'll be able to re-transmit a signal from when you're walking round the shops back to the car park to open and start your car.

Unless I'm not seeing a further 'hidden danger' with walking round with the keys to my car in my pocket.
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Re: Keyless car hacking
« Reply #22 on: 25 October 2017, 10:13 »
I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.

Just to repeat myself.... the threat isn't just in the house... it can happen in a car park just as easily.

So, if you have to put your keyless fob in a bag that is sealed and then take it out to use it... haven't you just effectively stopped using keyless entry? Its actually easier to hit the blipper on the standard remote lol.

How is the threat the same in a car park?

The reason people put them in the bags at home is so that "Signal repeaters" can't pick up the signal from the key and re-transmit them to the car. Signal repeaters have limited range. I somehow doubt that (unless they're tailing you, which I'd be more worried about) they'll be able to re-transmit a signal from when you're walking round the shops back to the car park to open and start your car.

Unless I'm not seeing a further 'hidden danger' with walking round with the keys to my car in my pocket.

Because whilst you're stood at the ticket machine paying your parking, they are stealing your car using the same principles of signal boosting.
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Re: Keyless car hacking
« Reply #23 on: 25 October 2017, 10:34 »
I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.

Just to repeat myself.... the threat isn't just in the house... it can happen in a car park just as easily.

So, if you have to put your keyless fob in a bag that is sealed and then take it out to use it... haven't you just effectively stopped using keyless entry? Its actually easier to hit the blipper on the standard remote lol.

How is the threat the same in a car park?

The reason people put them in the bags at home is so that "Signal repeaters" can't pick up the signal from the key and re-transmit them to the car. Signal repeaters have limited range. I somehow doubt that (unless they're tailing you, which I'd be more worried about) they'll be able to re-transmit a signal from when you're walking round the shops back to the car park to open and start your car.

Unless I'm not seeing a further 'hidden danger' with walking round with the keys to my car in my pocket.

Watch this video on this link (that I posted previously):

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-pair-11-radio-gadgets-can-steal-car/

Instead of a shop, imagine its a car park.
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Re: Keyless car hacking
« Reply #24 on: 25 October 2017, 11:02 »
I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.
They seem to be overpriced but are good quality.
Hard to know which ones are good and which ones are junk on Amazon or eBay.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JNWH83/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_af87zbT3S7PVT

£30 for a bag with a bit of tinfoil in the lining,  :rolleyes:

On another matter did I tell you about my uncle in Africa who has been left $40,000,000 and needs an account to hold the money in?

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Re: Keyless car hacking
« Reply #25 on: 25 October 2017, 11:17 »
So it is defeating the whole idea of easy access to your car when you need to mess around taking it out of a foil lined baggy to get in the car when others just need to press a button. :whistle: :grin:

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Re: Keyless car hacking
« Reply #26 on: 25 October 2017, 11:37 »
I bought a pair of Faraday bags on Amazon (link below) and leave the keys in them when in the house.

Just to repeat myself.... the threat isn't just in the house... it can happen in a car park just as easily.

So, if you have to put your keyless fob in a bag that is sealed and then take it out to use it... haven't you just effectively stopped using keyless entry? Its actually easier to hit the blipper on the standard remote lol.

How is the threat the same in a car park?

The reason people put them in the bags at home is so that "Signal repeaters" can't pick up the signal from the key and re-transmit them to the car. Signal repeaters have limited range. I somehow doubt that (unless they're tailing you, which I'd be more worried about) they'll be able to re-transmit a signal from when you're walking round the shops back to the car park to open and start your car.

Unless I'm not seeing a further 'hidden danger' with walking round with the keys to my car in my pocket.

Because whilst you're stood at the ticket machine paying your parking, they are stealing your car using the same principles of signal boosting.

Didn't think of that. That said, I never leave the golf in pay and displays. The one's I use are all pay at machine before you get back to your car
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Re: Keyless car hacking
« Reply #27 on: 25 October 2017, 11:50 »
So it is defeating the whole idea of easy access to your car when you need to mess around taking it out of a foil lined baggy to get in the car when others just need to press a button. :whistle: :grin:

Yep :D
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Re: Keyless car hacking
« Reply #28 on: 25 October 2017, 17:40 »
So it is defeating the whole idea of easy access to your car when you need to mess around taking it out of a foil lined baggy to get in the car when others just need to press a button. :whistle: :grin:

Just a bit.
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Re: Keyless car hacking
« Reply #29 on: 25 October 2017, 17:50 »
Here is how I roll these days, total cost feck all.
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