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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Jim_mk7.5 on 13 March 2019, 11:04
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But only for SEAT :wink:
That's a bargain as well, £500 for the 69bhp upgrade.
Revealing more of the EA888’s full potential than ever before, the power pack equipped Cupra R ST might just be the most exciting MQB-based model we’ve experienced.
https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22429/seat-leon-cupra-r-st-announced-with-optional-365bhp-upgrade?_mout=1&utm_campaign=evo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter
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Must fit better clutches in spain
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Must fit better clutches in spain
All wheel drive DSG.
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This looks good. 👍
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This looks good. 👍
Hell of car for less than £40k and you won't need to add an options as everything will be included. A bit of a sleeper that real world will be around 4 secs to 60.
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This looks good. 👍
Hell of car for less than £40k and you won't need to add an options as everything will be included. A bit of a sleeper that real world will be around 4 secs to 60.
There’s a hell of a lot of brand snobbery and ignorance on here quite often, especially around some of the plastics in the SEAT. Truth is aside from one or two places the mk7 Golfs are full of hard scratchy plastic too below the upper sections of dash and front doors.
A friend of mine had a Cupra as a company car and it was more than a match for the GTI PP I had at the time in all the areas that count if you like a sporty car that really performs and has a load of kit as standard.
The actual costs of ownership might not be that much lower with the SEAT depending on what sort of deal you can work. But deals are out there with SEATs that can make them massively cheaper than their VW cousins. The full spec on the run out Golfs now do make them good value after discounts though.
Hopefully the Abt plug in will catch on and VW UK will take note. A Mountune equivalent is something us UK owners have been crying out for for years.
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The sticker price is steep, considering it's pretty dear next to a Golf R estate and only £500.of that is ABT upgrade. Even so, it won't just be the sticker price that makes it a dear buy, it's the higher depreciation suffered with the SEAT badge that'll really sting.
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The sticker price is steep, considering it's pretty dear next to a Golf R estate and only £500.of that is ABT upgrade. Even so, it won't just be the sticker price that makes it a dear buy, it's the higher depreciation suffered with the SEAT badge that'll really sting.
Not always in practice.
I suffered lower depreciation in pure £££ on a few SEATs I owned many years ago than any comparative VW I’ve had.
Depends on demand for the model. That particular ST model will drop like a stone until it reaches a point.
Hopefully the Abt unit will filter in to other models which is more what we are looking at.
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The sticker price is steep, considering it's pretty dear next to a Golf R estate and only £500.of that is ABT upgrade. Even so, it won't just be the sticker price that makes it a dear buy, it's the higher depreciation suffered with the SEAT badge that'll really sting.
Not always in practice.
I suffered lower depreciation in pure £££ on a few SEATs I owned many years ago than any comparative VW I’ve had.
Depends on demand for the model. That particular ST model will drop like a stone until it reaches a point.
Hopefully the Abt unit will filter in to other models which is more what we are looking at.
Is that because the Seats were comparatively cheap and a high % loss of a relatively low purchase price (like on an Ibiza) is still low on a £ basis?
For Leon vs Golf, every time I looked, Leon never made sense financially because the Cupra had the depreciation curve of a Ford Focus. The interior plastics in places you'd notice always looked and felt cheap. Doesn't help that my local Seat dealerships are arses too (Pattinson Seat wanted me to put a deposit down on a Cupra before they'd entertain a test drive about 10 years ago).
Definitely not the case for cheap depreciation here with that very expensive ST.
Would welcome the rollout of official power upgrades though. At £500, it's around the price of an externally sourced remap - no extra money to cover increased chance of warranty issues. That says to me that VAG are confident the engine can handle the extra output with ease.
Doubt they'd do this for manual boxes though, with their chocolate clutches.
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That thing looks amazing and I don’t like estates. Wow!
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Only 150 coming to the UK. Both seat dealers I've been to wouldn't even entertain the drive the deal quote I showed them. Sat in a Cupra Lux st on Sunday it's really nice. Didn't have a sliding arm rest or a cover for the cup holders but apart from that no difference to a VW golf.
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I nealry went for a Cupra ST 4 drive, it was 4k less than the R and would of been fully loaded... Just not quite as big in the boot and the buckets took up too much rear leg room.... I wanted the 7 speed DSG too. Better looking than the Golf estate
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Is that because the Seats were comparatively cheap and a high % loss of a relatively low purchase price (like on an Ibiza) is still low on a £ basis?
For Leon vs Golf, every time I looked, Leon never made sense financially because the Cupra had the depreciation curve of a Ford Focus. The interior plastics in places you'd notice always looked and felt cheap. Doesn't help that my local Seat dealerships are arses too (Pattinson Seat wanted me to put a deposit down on a Cupra before they'd entertain a test drive about 10 years ago).
Definitely not the case for cheap depreciation here with that very expensive ST.
Would welcome the rollout of official power upgrades though. At £500, it's around the price of an externally sourced remap - no extra money to cover increased chance of warranty issues. That says to me that VAG are confident the engine can handle the extra output with ease.
Doubt they'd do this for manual boxes though, with their chocolate clutches.
It was on a mixture of models over a period of time ranging from a Leon Cupra to Ibiza TDIs.
Percentage based depreciation is something I find inaccurate. It’s based on list price to trade value. The latter fair enough but real world buying doesn’t involve list price unless it’s a particularly sought after car with zero discount.
I base depreciation purely on ££££ lost to myself when I’m calculating cost to change to my next car.
Headline figures are irrelevant, merely what it’s cost me in real terms.
The manual cars have a metal cage rivetted over the ECU to stop direct modification where DSG models have a clipped on plastic cage. That says it all about clutch headroom on manual cars. There is none.
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^ That's the way I do depreciation too. I care what the car has lost me, after discounts and what I p/x or sell it for, not the used sticker price (which is about 20% higher than p/x).
Even so, every time I have looked at changing cars, I've never seen a performance Leon's discounted price corresponding cheaper than the Golf to the tune of cancelling out the extra depreciation (to p/x value) it would suffer over and above the Golf.
Maybe it's my local dealerships having not been too competitive in the past, but I'd want a Cupra to be at least £3k cheaper than the equivalent Golf at purchase to cover it being worth £3k less at 3 years old in p/x.
Never happened for me, nor have I been wanting a change at a time where 0% finance was available.
Best depreciation relevant to price is likely to be the R when I trade in in a few months time - £32k car, bought for £28k and £16.8k p/x value at 4 years old, less than £3k a year real depreciation!
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Keeping it the four years was a good move. Depreciation notably slowed down later in the lifetime.
My R was bought for circa £28k I think (less extras than yours too) and I got £22k after 18 months :cry:
The Ed40 was had for just under £28k and booking at £24.7k after 23 months.
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Keeping it the four years was a good move. Depreciation notably slowed down later in the lifetime.
My R was bought for circa £28k I think (less extras than yours too) and I got £22k after 18 months :cry:
The Ed40 was had for just under £28k and booking at £24.7k after 23 months.
I think that the WLTP caused shortage of cars has helped used prices, and the Pretoria wheels seem to pay for themselves on an R, worth a grand more used than an R on Cadiz.
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We have had 3 SEATs one from Pattersons one from Petch and one DTD. We lost less over time in pound notes from what we paid than the VW equivalents. We also had far less issues with them and the dealers than the VW before or after them sadly.
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I went from a Mk4 Golf GTI to a Leon Cupra in 2002. I paid Circa £16k for the Golf in 99 and got £9.5k as a private sale with just over 70k miles on it. The Leon was also £14k and that was sold privately after 3 years and 60K miles for £10.5k, so back then, quite a bit in it £ for £. Despite having an old A3 dashboard, the Leon was by far the better spec. 180PS v 150. 6speed v 5. Climate control v manual air con. 17" wheels v 16 etc...
The same seems to be pretty much the same today. Spec a Golf up to Leon levels of equipment and generally over 3 years, the Leon will work out cheaper.