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Title: Interior Wetness ....what to check
Post by: percymon on 10 May 2007, 14:38
Went out to the car this morning and found the rear footwell on the drivers side sopping wet - and wet carpet extending forwards down the side of the seat runners to the jioint in the carpet near the front of the drivers seat.  Carpet and insulation inderneath very wet - got 90% up with a wet vac so drying out at the moment.


I dorve the car in very heavy rain last night for about 5 miles, it then stood outside in the rain overnight.  No other bits of carpet are wet (not checked the boot mind) The bottom of the door panels look dry too.

So, any guesses where its gettign in - i'm pretty sure its a  problem when moving rather than rain water getting past a door plastic  membrane . All drains holes in the rear passenger door are clear and dry too !   No sunroof so thats one less area of concern.  Rear door window was in fully upright position.

HELP !
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: kr1s77 on 11 May 2007, 00:28
check rear light cluster, might be getting in behind them, had that problem on a rover
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Post by: monkeyalan on 11 May 2007, 11:28
if it's a 5 door probably leaking via the rubber door seal.
my old jetta had its own paddling pool in the winter.  :laugh:
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Post by: paddi on 11 May 2007, 11:40
Hi ,


does it have a sunroof, if so have a look at the drain nipples , they sit down the side of the doors , you'll need to open the door and squeeze the rubber bit , could be gunked up , i had this problem ,

there is also 2 at the back of the car under the skirt either side of the wheels

let me know how you get on

paddi
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 11 May 2007, 23:32
Well i dried it out with the wet n dry vac in work on Friday - after that I drove 2 hours to my mates house (last 30 minutes in torrential rain).  Got there and carpet was dry, as it still was about 3 hours later. It rained overnight and i was greated this mornign with a pool of water again  :embarassed:    Went off to play golf today in my mates car, got back and more water in footwell.   Mopped this up with towel as best i could.

Then drove home - virtually all 2 hours was in the rain, some of this torrential - after about an hour in the car i put my hand own on the carpet and it was noticeably wet. Oce home i reckon i've mopped up about 2 pints worth of rainwater - carpet still wet but best i do til morning.  I've wedged some tissue paper along the bottom of the door trim (in case its a membrane failure) and along soem areas of the door aperture (in case its a failing seal).

So in summary , it would appear the water is getting in with the car both stationary and moving - i have soem investigations to conduct tomorrow  :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: gibby on 11 May 2007, 23:39
Don't know what it's like for mk3s but check the door cards, door seals and bulkhead. The mk2 was renowned for leaks and I had one on my Rallye earlier this year and that was the door membrane. I doubt it's a hole in the floor beacuse I think gravity would stop it coming in, but you could see if there's any grommits missing underneath (assuming there are any that is as I'm just guessing). You could also get someone to pour water around the outside while you sit inside and see if there's anywhere obvious that it's leaking in.
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Post by: monkeyalan on 12 May 2007, 09:19
yeah, try what gibby said but go to a hand jet wash place , if it's anywhere obvious it's bound to show with a bit of pressure.
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Post by: boneybradley on 12 May 2007, 10:57
could be worth checking the roof aerial if fitted as these have a rubber seal and i have seen them leak......
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 14 May 2007, 10:57
The saga continues...

checked door membranes front and rear - no prolems, doors dry too - all drains clear

checked drains in sills - all clear

removed rear seat and lifted rear carpet - felt underlay/sound deadening sodden :(   no signs of anything untoward.  used hosepipe all over car whilst watching for leaks in rear footwell. when sprayign water under drivers footwell, eventually got a small leak from under the bitumastic bonded sound deadening in the rear footwell.

Removed front seat, front carpet, sound deadenign etc to find it sodden and stinking  :(  took all weekend to dry the sound deadening out :(

Discovered a very small hole in the front floorpan at the edge of one of the rubber bungs - repaired this with some glass fibre and then applied underseal inside and out.  checked all other bungs and reapplied underseal to these inside and out, bar two in the rear floor pan where they are beneath the bitumastic (bonded sound deadened plate) where i could only apply on the exterior. I couldn't see any reason for the water coming in under the bitumastic tho :(

Pleased as punch til i drove out last night in torrential rain - wet carpets again :(   Wet front and rear - as the two footwells are divided by a box section cross member i'm of the opinion the leak is still in the front half somewhere :( :(

I thought about a break/ blockage in the windscreen / scuttle area - anyone know whether there is a drain pipe and where this exits, and if this was blocked would it fill sufficiently to then leak into the cabin ???

I'm pretty sure now that whatever the leak is, its happening whilst stationary and whilst moving.


In answer to the other suggestions.... aerial is on front wing passenger side, rear ligth clusters are dry, as is whole of boot inclusing spare wheel well, and under rear seat base its dryzabone :D
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Post by: Len on 14 May 2007, 11:13
Yes I would investigate the front screen channels and drain holes then. But they should drain out under the wings.
Pedal box area? Or steering drive?
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Post by: gibby on 14 May 2007, 11:59
Can the scuttle tray get blocked on a mk3 ? That was always a problem area on the mk1s & mk2s.

This may not help you as it's not for the mk3, but it may give you some ideas, some of which you've already done. http://www.matey-matey.com/leak_prevention.shtml
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Post by: Len on 14 May 2007, 12:08
Yes, but that usually goes to the passenger side. I have had problems with that and the pollen filter.
But this guys problem is on the drivers side.
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 14 May 2007, 14:33
A little more info guys...

after i'd removed the carpet in the drivers footwell at the weekend, the sound deadening on the floor was sodden, and the section bhind the pedals was sodden up to a height of about 4 inches - i assumed this was from absorption from the floor and not anything indicative of a higher entry point - the steering column certainly exits the bulkhead above this section of deadening, and the area immediately underneath the column was dry on the sound proofing.


The drain points in the wings - am i looking for any form of drain pipework, or just a slot / hole  ??

Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: Len on 14 May 2007, 14:41
Slots and holes mate
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Post by: Vipes on 14 May 2007, 16:08
I have dicovered a small ocean in my passenger side with whales too lol..Its rained very heavy yesterday and last night .I could see where the problem was.. well two realy  my heater blower had water dripping through it and my door seal had moved .Just cleaned a small forest out of the frount tub below the black trims on the screen and washed it out  with the hose the slots where matted with leaves and mud that drains well now .the door seal I have just knocked it back on it seems to have sealed.Now to dry out the inside Hope this helps
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Post by: Len on 14 May 2007, 16:32
^^^ Wrong side for this guys problem.
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Post by: percymon on 14 May 2007, 21:16
Well folks with some trial and error, and your excellent advice i am getting somewhere...

strip out the drivers side carpet and seats again tonight - hosepipe all over the place with observer in car - 30 minutes and nothing :(   decided to set garden sprinkler under car - 30 minutes later still nothing :( :( 

Removed the scuttle trim seal, had a peak underneath and not a lot there -  a few dry leaves but not much else, bit more on the passenger side if anything, maybe because the pollen filter housing causing more hidden nooks and crannies.

Pretty much gave up at this stage - decided to put newspaper under the carpets and leave carpet loose so i can inspect regularly for signs of entry point.  Then thought i'd give the old shed a wash, lots of water - no wonder not much left in the Welsh reservoirs  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: - decided to lift carpet on the off chance - wet newspaper on the drivers side corner of the footwell, where the cable loom runs from the fusebox and the bonnet release cable runs.     Poured some water directly into the scuttle area, around the point where the bonnet cable comes through - all water ran out into the wing area, clearly visible by removing the side indicator unit.



So it might be the bonnet cable hole or maybe a cable grommet, but i'm getting nearer  :wink: :wink: :wink:


So tomorrow night will be removal of scuttle plates (need to get wipers off first), and also remove wheel arch liner for a decent look.   Judging by the amount of mud under the arches when i bought this car, i suspect there will be a fair amound at the base of the wing behind the mudflap and arch liner.


Many thanks for your continued effort with the trouble shooting - i think i have light at the end of the tunnel now  :smug: :smug: :smug:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: guyn17 on 14 May 2007, 22:07
Just to fill you with a bit of hope I had exactly the same problem in my mark 3, tried everything to try and stop the leak, just like you have. In the end we found it trickling down cabling into the front foot well, my mechanic said a seal had gone to some cabling coming from the engine bay (can't remember which set of cabling though i'm afraid, he found it not me and it was quite a while ago!) Anyway sounds like you're on the right track, sorry i only just noticed this topic! Enjoy your soon to be dry carpets!!
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Post by: Len on 15 May 2007, 09:17
Just a little tip. Your carpets will dry out fine but the sound deadening underfelt will take ages! Best bet is go to a srappy and get some fresh dry stuff!
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 15 May 2007, 10:16
Len,

I have the felt drying off to a T now - temporary washing line in garage, front and back doors open for a bit of through breeze.  Using a rolling pin   :grin: (or brush stale when the other half's looking  :wink: )  helps to get 70% of the water out initially.  Drying time now about 30 hours  :smug:

I have some unused Dynamat sound deadening spray, which is also supposedly sealant and underseal - i think the floorpan might get a coat of this too while i'm at it lol!!

I'm almost looking forward to this evenings installment  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: Len on 15 May 2007, 10:22
Oh well thats O.K.
When mine got sodden it took days to dry out. :angry:

(my problem was the scuttle and main air intake/pollen filter)
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Post by: monkeyalan on 15 May 2007, 11:43
at least all this is happening in warmish weather or you'd be dealing with a skating rink.  :laugh:
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Post by: percymon on 15 May 2007, 22:12
Tonights chapter (i should write a book on this lol!!)...


Wipers removed, scuttle plastic removed and other than maybe a dozen dry leaves nothing much else to see - drain holes to both front wings clear.   So undersealed round the bonnet release cable grommet (looked OK anyway), two screw studs either side of the ecu, and a small 10mm rubber plug to the passenger side of the ecu, plus a large 25mm x 50mm rectangular rubber plug in the florr section of the scuttle area (drivers side of the ecu).

Removed drivers side front mudflap and wheel arch liner - the drain area behind the mudflap was completey filled with damp mud, twigs, leaves etc - about 70mm deep, drain slot therefore completely blocked.  Cleared all this out, refitted arch liner and mudflap.

Despite my garden sprinkler exercise last night not showing any signs of leakage at the floorpan i was a little suspicious of the two rubber plugs in the drivers side rear footwell - i'd undersealed over these on Saturday, but the surrounding metal looked a little fragile in places.  So cleaned off the underseal, remioved the rubber plugs and found some corrosion around the rubber plugs - prepped area and then glass fibred over the previously plugged area and the surrounding perforated metalwork. Once i've undersealed these repairs the rear footwell will probably be the best bit of the car, so one less area for water to be getting in.


I tried to have a look above the fuse/relay box - i've release the two plastic swing clips holding the fuse and relay holder, but i can't fully release the box from the metal bracket/hook on the passenger side of the box - any ideas how to release the fuse/relay box and therefore move it out of the way ?????.

Despite this, i managed to get my hand to the right of the box, followed the bonnet release cable to a point where i think i was touching more sound deadening on the underside of the scuttle.  To the right of the cable is another section of sound deadening, the rubberised side resting against the bonnet cable.  The felt side of this is wet :(   (my best description of its location is that the felt side must be touching the metalwork of the A pillar / corner of the passenger cell).

Now i guess there is a possibility that if water was tracking down the bonnet cable it might possibly be 'wiped' by the top  edge of this section of sound insulation and then get onto the felt side - right or wrong ??. However the bonnet cable runs on the rubberised side of this sound deadening for the majority of its length so i think this unlikely.

I haven't been able to view the point where the engine cable loom passes through the bulkhead (ie below the brake master cylinder) - this will need the front end on ramps to view from below  :undecided: :undecided:   A job for tomorrow night !!


One last point (you all still with me lol!!) - the bottom edge of the windscreen is whitening across its entire length (ie some water ingress between the laminates) - at its worst point it extends up to 40mm in from the bottom edge (still within the black coloured surround).  Is there any chance the windscreen seal could also be failing in the bottom corner near the drivers side A pillar  ????


Await further instructions !!!!   :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: bored_Welsh_lad on 16 May 2007, 08:18
well ive got it in the rear footwell on a 3dr and i dont have a sunroof!!
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 16 May 2007, 08:55
well ive got it in the rear footwell on a 3dr and i dont have a sunroof!!

I'd have a look at the rubber bungs in the floorpan then - if its like my 5 door then you will have 2 of them located near the rear of the floorpan (about 10" ahead of the rear wheels) - if the underseal has broken around these then youwill no doubt have soem fragile metal around them.  You might get away with just undersealing the, but inside the cabin the bungs are beneath a bonded sound deadened sheet which you will have to cut away around the bungs - its likely you'll have water under this bonded sheet too, so allow time for it to dry out.

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Post by: Len on 16 May 2007, 09:17
percymon mate this is facinating! Keep it up.
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Post by: bored_Welsh_lad on 16 May 2007, 10:00
Yeah ill have to whack her up on the ramps in the motorclub and have a gander under her... its only since we had torrencial rain. So im hoping that maybe a door seal was not seated correctly
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 16 May 2007, 11:35
Yeah ill have to whack her up on the ramps in the motorclub and have a gander under her... its only since we had torrencial rain. So im hoping that maybe a door seal was not seated correctly

you can see the rubber bungs i'm talking about without a ramp - you might need a mirror to see the other side of them fully.

Don't assume that the front footwell is dry either - i did that, but the insulation under the front carpet is different to the rear - the rear is just felt, the front is felt with rubberised backing so the carpet sits against the rubberised surface and doesn't permeate through as easily.




Len - i'm trying to keep it up   :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: Len on 16 May 2007, 12:20
Thankfully i never have any problems on that front! :grin:
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Post by: Len on 16 May 2007, 12:31
Having spent a bit of time under the car recently I must say that I was surprised at how many holes there are in the floor filled with the grommets.
Makes ya wonder why they are there.
So I can appreciate the problems you are having in trying to source this leak.
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 16 May 2007, 14:18
Having spent a bit of time under the car recently I must say that I was surprised at how many holes there are in the floor filled with the grommets.
Makes ya wonder why they are there.


The holes are there so that when the body is dipped in the initial cathodic paint bath (ie the initial grey paint layer) the paint runs into and out of the body and all the cavities easily - the body is hanging on a conveyor at this stage.

(http://www.renntech.org/images/random/47.jpg)

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Post by: Len on 16 May 2007, 14:35
Aha! That explains it!

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Post by: HoopDub on 16 May 2007, 20:09
hey guys, i got me a mk3 last weekend, then the heavens opened and i got the wet carpet issues on passenger side, and i mean wet!!!!!!!!! had a bit of a hunt around, carpet up, scuttle clear out etc with no luck. then i had an idea to sit in the car while a mate lashes it with buckets of water. i then found the leak, its pi$$ing in throught the top corner passengers side of the windscreen, looks like the black glue has failed in the corner and water is getting in and running down in the A pillar, onto the pool floor. so it looks like im going to have a windscreen claim on the insurance soon, for now if filled around the corner of the screen with silicone sealant and that seems to have done the trick. hope that helps
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Post by: percymon on 16 May 2007, 22:10
Tonights chapter  :grin:  ...

managed to release the fuse/relay box from its hangers tonight, and was able to move it slightly out of the way for a marginally better look up into the top corner of the bulkhead....

(http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/uploads/gallery_13_99_98005.jpg)


I've arrowed the bonnet release cable and the right hand hanger of the fuse box has the green squiggle on it.  The picture shows dry sound deadening on the left (this has been peeled back , was covering the cable), and wet material to the right (this section is folded down onto the right hand side wall and is part of the sound deadening running across the underside of the bulkhead).  I wasn't able to get any further than this without serious disassembly of the cable loom etc.


I've reapplied underseal to the cable grommet in the scuttle under the bonnet - i'm hopeful this is the root cause. 

I also undersealed the bottom edge of the windscreen and where it joins the metalwork - will slow the creepage into the laminates that its already afflicted with and hopefully seal any weak point in the windscreen seal if there is one !!



I've added a few pictures of the remedial work on the floor bungs to add to the detail of the thread..

Front floor inside... the bung at the top of the picture is into a box section carrying the brake lines to the rear - this was dry.  The bung i removed and GRP'd was rotting around the edges due to cracked/flaking VW underseal on the outside.

(http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/uploads/gallery_13_99_22544.jpg)



Front floor outside...

(http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/uploads/med_gallery_13_99_13600.jpg)

This was after one coat of GRP - it got another one before a couple of coats of underseal - you can see another bung in the picture - its in the channel section carrying the brake lines - this was dry and fine, but undersealed later for good measure!



The rear foot well bungs from underneath - this after cleaning off the bubbling VW underseal and treating area with Hammerite Kurust .

(http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/uploads/med_gallery_13_99_95621.jpg)

I have since removed the bungs, GRP'd over inside and out and undersealed the area - much happier as the metal was pretty flaky in local areas around the bung.  You can see the other inboard bung prior to any work - note the bubbling underseal, and as i found last night, perforated metal beneath. Again this has been removed, GRP'd and undersealed.



Picture on inside rear footwell after GRP repairs - note i had to cut back the bitumastic bonded sound deadening to expose the bung in the first place.

(http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/uploads/gallery_13_99_85925.jpg)
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: gibby on 16 May 2007, 22:54
First pic of your post above, looks like a rubber jonny ! :laugh:

Dude, if there was ever anyone that deserved to find out and resolve a car leaking problem, it's you.
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 16 May 2007, 22:57
i'm resorting to wearing wellies after this week  :wink: :wink:
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Post by: percymon on 17 May 2007, 20:46
Hosepipe over car tonight - STILL leaking into corner of footwell.  Managed to remove the sound deadening on the right , above the orange/browm earth spur plate (the disc on the right hand side of the firt picture in my post above).  There is a dogleg in the body at this point, even though its the corner.  The top door hinge bolts are hidden behind an inner cavity also in this area, so that gives an idea where i am talking about from the outside.      When water is directed at the upper back edge of the front wing, 4 inches down from the corner of the windscreen, water can be seen dripping into the cabin from the dogleg area behind the earth spur.  Whether this is a failure of the factory seam sealant i can't tell. It  might be the cavity where the hinge bolts come through is filling with water and overspilling into the footwell; its  impossible to see the top of the cavity section even lying on my back in the footwell, and using a makeup mirror to see behind the earth spur.

So i am guessing at either ingress through the hinge plate (no sign of any corrosion) or though a poorly applied sealant where the front wing bolts onto the corner of the passenger cell / scuttle. If i look through the gap between the door and the front wing,at a height level with the bottom edge of the indicator repeator, i can see the threads of the attachment bolt which runs from inside the wing rearwards to the passenger cabin - maybe the wing has been removed in the past for accident repairs ?

About six weeks ago i cleaned up the area around the hinges etc on a mammoth cleaning/waxing session - it was a bit greasy and dirty in this area at the time, its now spotless. i could possibly have removed some sealing grease from the hinge plate area.



So.... i've applied underseal along the joint between the front wing and the passenger cell and around the hinge plate - not exactly pretty, but if it seals it i'm not bothered .


Fingers crossed  :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: irmscher on 17 May 2007, 23:19
Fingers crossed mate, really feel for ya
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Post by: gibby on 18 May 2007, 08:30
I really hope that sorts it for you matey, you deserve it after the efforts you've put in this week ! :afro:
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Post by: Len on 18 May 2007, 08:57
Dont think we should lose this thread, so please can a Mod make it Sticky!

Hope thats finally it, found the leak and sealed it!
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Post by: percymon on 18 May 2007, 14:10
If it get chance i''ll take more pictures when i put it all back together, and write it up as a pdf file.
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Post by: monkeyalan on 18 May 2007, 15:06
you're a better man than me.
I think my dark side would make me wait till it's hot and sunny and sell it.  :embarassed:
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Post by: gibby on 18 May 2007, 15:58
If percymon does a pdf with pics etc or even a tidier thread then I'll make it a sticky no probs. :smiley: Let me know if/when it's done in case I miss it as I don't come in the mk3 section very often.  :embarassed:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: Len on 18 May 2007, 16:12
Yea will do gibby!
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Post by: martin_gti on 18 May 2007, 19:09
sounds like ive got exactly the same problem.
my 98 mk3 3dr has a puddle of water on the drivers side footwell and rear drivers side footwell.
omg u dont understamd how annoyin this is!
ive had the car 3 weeks and but as soon as all this rain came my carpet got soaked.
when i rest my feet when im driving the water goes thro my shoes on my feet get wet!
so far ive dried up most the water and just put newspaper under the sound deadening for a temp solution.
im going out later and rite now im looking outside and guess what, its started to rain! great!
i saw them drain holes or whatever they were under the rear carpet and lots of water in dere so i should try seal that when i can.
ill write tomorrow to say what happens after this rain.
please throw me any help or suggestions any1 may have.
thanks in advance, martin.
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Post by: HoopDub on 18 May 2007, 20:44
well turns out my silicone fix didnt work, took out the headlining and poured water over the top just to confirm it is coming in top corner passenger side of the screen. its happening due to stonechips where the screen meets the roof, its rusted under the paint work and poped the seal on the screen, getting the roof fixed and resprayed wednesday and a new screen fitted. cant wait for a non damp smelling, dry car!!!
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Post by: gibby on 21 May 2007, 07:59
so far ive dried up most the water and just put newspaper under the sound deadening for a temp solution.

My advice would be to leave the paper there but take out the sound deading and dry that too, because sat under the carpet it will never ever dry. When you take it out and squeeze it you'll be surprised at how much water they retain.
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Post by: percymon on 25 May 2007, 11:29
Well i've been quiet for a week, but only cos its been mainly sunny weather !

Had rain showers overnight twice this week and both occasions i was greeted by water ingress again - at least i can be certain now it does leak when stationary as well as when in motion. 

I'm keeping a large microfibre cloth stuffed between the fusebox and the outer metalwork of the passenger cell to absorb the leak - this morning probably wrung 150ml of water from the cloth :(

I washed the car last night too - i'm certain it isn't the windscreen in any way now, as pouring water into the sctuttle area at the poitn where the drivers side wiper arm attachs leads to water drip every few seconds to the right of the fuse box inside the cabin.  Given that i've pretty much undersealed any weaknesses in the scuttle area i think i'm going to have to further investgate the drivers side wing attachment area - I'm probably going to remove the front wing next week for a better look, undersealing the outer face of the joint with underseal hasn't reduced the ingress at all. (i'll have a bit more space in the garage by then).
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Post by: Len on 31 May 2007, 11:33
Bump! Keep us up to date on your progress mate!
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Post by: percymon on 06 June 2007, 09:41
I will do Len - no change since i last posted, just not had time to look any further, and the sun is shining  :wink:

The good thing is that when i use the windscreen washers i do get a nice fresh lemony smell in the cabin - saving me a fortune in air fresheners lol!!
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 20 June 2007, 15:02
Update...

the good news - rear footwell continues to be dryzabone since i did the floor repairs  :smiley:

the bad news - front end still leaking like a seive - two hours in the rain / thunderstorm last night resulted in half an inch of water in the drivers footwell (fortunately i'd lifted the carpet out of the way in excpectation, and still no underlay back int he car so water only on the metal floor).

I haven't taken the front wing off, but i have removed the wheelarch liner for a look - there appears to be nothing amiss - plenty of factory wax/waxoyl in place and even the point where the sctuttle drains through to the wheelarch looks sound.


Next step is to block off the scuttle drain (to wheelarch area), fill with water and look for air bubbles !!


Getting a bit miffed about the potential puddle evry mornign, but its not going to beat me  :undecided: :undecided:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: bored_Welsh_lad on 20 June 2007, 15:48
mines suffering from this at the moment, more from the rear than the front... im going to pull mine up and get a hose in there to see if i can see where its coming in. Its on the passenger side so none on my side
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Post by: Foghorn on 23 June 2007, 07:47
A whole year and a half of wonderful car, and a week before her MOT, the skies open - so much it would make Boscastle look like a stream! And guess what?

The driver rear footwell about half inch deep and the driver front also soaking. The seat looked wet but in fact was bone dry. Now you see the problem is mines a 3 door and sunroof. No obvious wet patches anywhere else in the car other than one drop on the door seal, centre of the car.

Sunroof and seal and drainage holes all checked and clear.
Haven't been underneath yet as it hasn't stopped raining yet!

Only mopped up the water as best I can but after two days its starting to smell of cabbage already.

Any thoughts would be most appreciated?
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 23 June 2007, 20:54
Todays installment !!

rained heavily for a short time last night - usual small pool of water in the footwell :(


blocked off the scuttle drain (to wing/wheelarch) - filled with 3 inches of water, not a drop in the cabin, no air bubbles to be seen.  opened up the drain again, let all water rush out, then tried hosepipe in scuttle and drain are - not a drop.

Hosepipe up the side of windscreen again (been here before  :rolleyes: :undecided:) and managed 2 drops in the footwell - not much for probably 100 gallons of water on the outside  :laugh:

So took windscreen A pillar trim off, and sealed the side of the windscreen with silicon, refitted - awaiting the rain overnight  :embarassed: :embarassed:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 25 June 2007, 21:50
Break out the champagne guys n gals  (http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/champers.gif)- i've found the blasted leak (http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/nana.gif)


You will not believe it - in fact i really need to post a pic of the failure zone for you all to appreciate it.

OK, the root cause of the ingress was the factory sealant between the bonnet hinge plate on top of the inner wing/front member and the wiper spindle.  There was a tiny black speck of dust on it, or so i thought - turned out it was a hole in the sealant - at most 2mm across. I could cover it up with the smallest application of a touch up stick  :shocked: :shocked:

Absolutely unbelievable - trickle water on the sealant point, water constantly running into footwell, trickle water an inch further forward and dry as a bone.  Dabbed a bit of clay cleaning bar over the site, sent gallons of water over it with hosepipe and not a drop in the footwell. (http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/nana.gif)


So i poked about with a micro screwdriver and at best the hole is now 2mm diameter ! - will apply soem underseal with a cotton bud tomorrow night, and then a few weeks later a dab of touch up paint over the top.

Off for a few well overdue  (http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)  now  :smug: :smug: :smug:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: kells on 25 June 2007, 22:29
Break out the champagne guys n gals  (http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/champers.gif)- i've found the blasted leak (http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/nana.gif)


You will not believe it - in fact i really need to post a pic of the failure zone for you all to appreciate it.

OK, the root cause of the ingress was the factory sealant between the bonnet hinge plate on top of the inner wing/front member and the wiper spindle.  There was a tiny black speck of dust on it, or so i thought - turned out it was a hole in the sealant - at most 2mm across. I could cover it up with the smallest application of a touch up stick  :shocked: :shocked:

Absolutely unbelievable - trickle water on the sealant point, water constantly running into footwell, trickle water an inch further forward and dry as a bone.  Dabbed a bit of clay cleaning bar over the site, sent gallons of water over it with hosepipe and not a drop in the footwell. (http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/nana.gif)


So i poked about with a micro screwdriver and at best the hole is now 2mm diameter ! - will apply soem underseal with a cotton bud tomorrow night, and then a few weeks later a dab of touch up paint over the top.

Off for a few well overdue  (http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)  now  :smug: :smug: :smug:

get a pic up if u can matey, im interested to see this :cool:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: gibby on 26 June 2007, 08:27
Well done. :afro: After all your hassle and perseverance you deserved to get that sorted. :smiley:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: Len on 26 June 2007, 10:06
Well I bet thats a relief! well done for all your perciverance!
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 26 June 2007, 21:15
Here it is - you might need your glasses to see it !

Picture taken AFTER probing  :huh: :huh: with micro screwdriver !!

(http://www.porsche-1.net/forums/uploads/gallery_13_99_99398.jpg)




Can you believe that diddy hole caused so much grief  :angry: :angry:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: kells on 26 June 2007, 22:06
wow mate, i bet u feel good now....deffo a lesson for everyone their, this could happen to anyone in the future, logged in the brain is that one..good stuff dude :cool:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: bored_Welsh_lad on 27 June 2007, 09:50
thats mental mate... i will be checking that too!!
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: Pete Taylor on 08 July 2007, 12:18
That's mental. Just found one leak in my windscreen where there's a hole in the windscreen bonding silicone but i had a quick spy behind the screen scuttle at that area and there's a wee bit of rust there. Guess the scuttle will be coming off for me to investigate further!
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 22 January 2008, 15:05
I can happily report that despite all the precipitation since my last post its still dryzabone  :smug: :smug: :smug:
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: golfmk31993 on 10 March 2008, 20:15
ive had a problem with my sunroof drains for a while now,

everytime it rains my front footwells get soaked, ive cleared the sunroof drains but when i pour a cup of water into the sunroof i can see the water come out the drain nipples like it should but it also comes into the front footwells

ive bought some new drain tubes but i havnt got round to fitting them yet, i hope its the tubes, any1 think it could be somthing else???


i also havnt been able to locate the rear sunroof drains any1 know were they are its a 1993 mk3 golf
Title: innner track rod ends
Post by: thesoulbrother on 05 September 2008, 11:55
http://faculty.ccp.edu/faculty/dreed/campingart/jettatech/tierods/tierods.htm

this is well worth a sticky....

anyone know of an exhaust manifold removal and replacement series..?

cheers simon.
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: GuvGTI on 08 September 2008, 18:58
hiya percy mon, cant seem to see your picture of the troublesome drain holes...

Any more pictures or that one to hand?? or if anyone else has any pictures.

Many thanks
Guv
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 03 November 2008, 13:45
Not been on here for a while sorry, and still dryzbone !

Looks like my pics were hosted on my old Porsche site, i'll upload some tonight for future reference.
Title: Re: Help - WET Carpet
Post by: percymon on 06 November 2008, 15:56
Passenger cell floor repairs to corroded rubber bung areas..

(http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pN_Ip06_HmFqkjU_Ez-koonI3uvHTi00wvQlUnQn3ZzxLQs65P8M99HG7QA4CenOA)

(http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pww5wgaRxbcIzCf6hmSEfkYBIdKrF2xf_S6CNr7CrqbPirlRywhrUvikxErUyI4t9)

and from the underside, prior to underseal....

(http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1p13KzNY4Uh_SuQnB7mc5W9CIYuyLSBpZTMulAUZdXZWLzGaA-HMCWzT4U7W87VdYc)


and finally the culprit - still can't believe this diddy hole in some body sealant caused so many days of bailing out the footwells and drying out carpets !

(http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pww5wgaRxbcIRjkCZ9HhzFlPnkJVPENaNcIF4pSQSUQKNkApPHdYSfiA0C9rsUp7B)

(http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pww5wgaRxbcIExe4yImyjHXjMvxWpxQGCVnikQCgsX3yfL7zlrcCyVY3M3rsbIRYZ)
Title: Re: Interior Wetness ....what to check
Post by: Stirring Moose on 30 May 2009, 19:02
I'd been H2O hunting on my Mk3 Valver for a little while and eventually traced it's path back as far as the front passenger toe board, from where the trail disappeared up behind dash. Tried various fixes myself but recently gave in and sent the car for some professional attention. The screen was removed revealing extensive corrosion in the surround and associated damage to the seals. So, much welding, grinding and painting later, plus a new screen... and I still don't know if the problem's cured because the bloody sun's come out! Still, I'm sure the opportunity for testing will arise sooner than not and I'll let you all know the outcome.

S.M.
Title: Re: Interior Wetness ....what to check
Post by: Stirring Moose on 06 June 2009, 17:35
Right then, without wishing to jump any guns or indulge in any pre-natal fowl counting, I think I may have a result. Despite sitting out in nigh on 24 hours of biblical precipitation, the inside of my dear old 'Dub still seems dry. Of course I'm still paranoid that something in the scuttle is just filling up and will shortly overflow, putting everyone right back where they started but that's just me being my usual cheery optimistic self!

S.M.