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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Ryan90GTI on 14 January 2019, 20:13

Title: Remaps
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 14 January 2019, 20:13
Never seems to go down too well on here but here goes anyway. Whoever mentions  TD1 or insurance first goes on the naughty step.

Revo, APR, Unicorn, MRC, VWR.

Custom Vs Generic.

Stage 1, Stage 2, Stage 3.

Who's got what and where from? Anyone had a map on a previous car they'd recommend? What the power delivery like? How did fare long term? Are the MK7 GTi safe enough to remap with them only having an IS20 turbo?

Opinions please.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: hobbes22 on 14 January 2019, 20:18
I had a Shark map on an Octavia, and they were a great company, but don't think they are trading anymore?

APR seem to be really popular in the US, but a lot of Revo dealers about here.

Wide, A forum member, has a BSR Remap which looks promising.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 14 January 2019, 21:09
I had Shark on my Fabia. Ben is now part of VWR based in Milton Keynes I believe.

They've released a map called OEM+ but there's not much info on it.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: mcmaddy on 14 January 2019, 21:24
You might be less likely to have warranty issues with a dealer having VWR OEM+.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: hobbes22 on 14 January 2019, 22:24
I had Shark on my Fabia. Ben is now part of VWR based in Milton Keynes I believe.

They've released a map called OEM+ but there's not much info on it.

Oh right, Ben was a nice chap to deal with.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 14 January 2019, 22:33
You might be less likely to have warranty issues with a dealer having VWR OEM+.

Knowing how VW like to wriggle out of any sort of warranty claim I wouldn't hold my breath. The OEM+ software does sound appealing. http://vagmanchester.com/vwr-oem-performance-software-remapping/
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 14 January 2019, 22:36

Ben is great. He basically remapped my Fabia for free and told me to pay him when I could as I'd just been made redundant back in 2009ish
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: hobbes22 on 15 January 2019, 06:52

Ben is great. He basically remapped my Fabia for free and told me to pay him when I could as I'd just been made redundant back in 2009ish

Was he still in his old unit then? Just a small place where you could just about fit one car in?  :smiley:
I went back to have other work carried out and he had the new premises. Its only about an hour from me.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 15 January 2019, 07:27
The one round the back of Wickes in Mansfield.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 15 January 2019, 08:56

Ben is great. He basically remapped my Fabia for free and told me to pay him when I could as I'd just been made redundant back in 2009ish

Sounds like an interesting business model......  :grin:

Forum member Wide in Sweden has one of these and reports it still feels like stock but much quicker. I've got price in UK and with PPC unit and delivery it £499. Quite like the fact you can remap it yourself but it's not a plug and play tuning box.

https://en.bsr.se/tuning-kits/t/2787/volkswagen-golf-vii-20-gti-220hp-2013-2016-chhb-cxcb-cxda
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: kmpowell on 16 January 2019, 08:55
RRP who are close to me offer a pretty smooth power delivery on the 7.5 performance. 330hp 385lb/ft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72QfkWagkRM

What I find promising is that the 7.5’s I’ve heard of being roaded have all come back with significant stock power outputs, way over the quoted figures from VW. I know VW have always been conservative, but these are consistently way above quoted.  :smiley:

Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 16 January 2019, 09:28
Impressive power from a stage 1, imagine must have a few extra bits such as filter and high flow pipes to make 330.

But jeez, their website is truly awful, they don't even have the 245ps model listed  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: 7MAT on 16 January 2019, 09:50
I ordered the VW Racingline OEM+ Stage 1 software in the Black Friday sale.

Not yet installed as I'm looking to get a sach clutch installed first.

My dealer has been speaking to the mapper at Racingline and he has agreed to add switchable exhaust pops and crackles for me.





Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: hobbes22 on 16 January 2019, 12:54
RRP who are close to me offer a pretty smooth power delivery on the 7.5 performance. 330hp 385lb/ft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72QfkWagkRM

What I find promising is that the 7.5’s I’ve heard of being roaded have all come back with significant stock power outputs, way over the quoted figures from VW. I know VW have always been conservative, but these are consistently way above quoted.  :smiley:

Do you have any links to this info? Would probably explain why my mk7.5 245 feels a lot quicker than my MK7 230 PP?
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Exonian on 16 January 2019, 13:39
From figures I’ve seen over the last five years the GTI’s often put out a bit more than the stated power yet the R’s seem to come in around the published figures on the more respected rolling roads.

It’s no use looking at the graphs and seeing the standard GTI putting out 260 or whatever power then the mapped car showing 330. 
Rolling road figures vary remarkably from one place to another and the operator has a bearing on this too.
Tuners need to advertise so they like to massage the figures to make theirs look the best.
The only thing you should be looking at is the actual gain between stock and modified, not the headline figures. The latter can be manipulated.

You also want to know what development went into the map. How close are their settings to the tolerances of the standard engine and gearbox parts? How smoothly does it drive?

I’ve had over a dozen remapped cars in my time and all tunes are not equal.


I’m not one for watching YouTube vids normally and I’ve been to a couple rolling road days in the past, plus stood shivering with cold next to my own cars on the rollers when having custom maps, it’s normally a tedious experience!
The RRP vid was actually really well produced and filmed, it made a dull event quite entertaining, so well done to them for that at least!
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: mike roberts on 16 January 2019, 14:24
Superchips are looking for a 7.5GTi to develop their map I understand. Apparently they give you a courtesy car and the map is FOC but they'd need to confirm that as it's just what I've been told..

Superchips developed the M135i solution on my old car, this is pretty much correct.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: mike roberts on 16 January 2019, 14:30
I have a Q.

In the 7.5 the difference between vanilla and PP GTI mapping, or bigger turbo?

Was this the same in the 7?
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Exonian on 16 January 2019, 14:42
I have a Q.

In the 7.5 the difference between vanilla and PP GTI mapping, or bigger turbo?

Was this the same in the 7?

Mapping on the mk7 230 PP so will assume the same for the 245 as the GTI engine and turbo has much headroom.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: mike roberts on 16 January 2019, 14:51
And Clubsport ED40, is that mapping or hardware?
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Exonian on 16 January 2019, 16:05
The Ed40 uses the R engine and turbo.
The Leon Cupra (which again uses the R/S3 engine) used to be available in 265 and 290 PS tunes which is what the Clubsport runs. Good old VW parts bins and saves development costs on a very limited run car.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: mike roberts on 16 January 2019, 16:37
Gotcha.

Be interesting to see if the 245 is a detuned R motor, in the interests of only having to modify 1 lump for WLTP regs. Otherwise, why drop the non PP engine?

EDIT - My engine no is DLBA01****, I believe both 7 GTI & PP used CHHA****** and it appears the 7.5 has a different turbo.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Exonian on 16 January 2019, 17:11
I’ve asked a man who will probably know or find out
https://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/30341-2019-golf-r-wltp-changes-definitive-list/?page=4
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: mike roberts on 16 January 2019, 17:18
Cool.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: mcmaddy on 16 January 2019, 18:42
The 245hp FL isn't a detuned R engine and it's probably got a different engine code due to it running the GPF, that's if its new enough.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 17 January 2019, 08:47
Some interesting points made. So we think the 7.5 is the same engine and turbo as the 7 running different software?

How much power do we think a GTi can safely run? I wouldn't be after stupid power anyway as I don't drive it hard, just something to bring it to life whilst still keeping stock like MPG and reliability.

Unicorn Developmens in Stockport get good reviews on the 7R, BMW and Audi forums.

Not sure where everyone is from etc but what about a rolling road day? I've often heard that VW are reserved with their power outputs so would be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: MjrSharpe on 17 January 2019, 08:55
I've had a DTUK box on my car for nearly a year and a half now and with the exception of one blip (which DTUK sorted) I have always been very pleased with it. It may not be as tailored to your car as a remap, but it is certainly effective. The one which I currently have has bluetooth control so it can also be altered slightly in the car. Definitely worth a look.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: mike roberts on 17 January 2019, 09:32
Some interesting points made. So we think the 7.5 is the same engine and turbo as the 7 running different software?


Well we don’t know, its got a completely different engine code, has dropped the secondary port injection and there’s suggestions it has a different turbo. I haven’t got ETKA to prove this and info on the ‘net is scant. It’s all R focussed.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 17 January 2019, 10:02
Some interesting points made. So we think the 7.5 is the same engine and turbo as the 7 running different software?

How much power do we think a GTi can safely run? I wouldn't be after stupid power anyway as I don't drive it hard, just something to bring it to life whilst still keeping stock like MPG and reliability.

Unicorn Developmens in Stockport get good reviews on the 7R, BMW and Audi forums.

Not sure where everyone is from etc but what about a rolling road day? I've often heard that VW are reserved with their power outputs so would be interesting to see.

Stage 1 is circa 300bhp from most companies and widely seen as a safe bet for extra power without any extra stress.

APR or Revo got to be the most well known for VW.

https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-car/volkswagen/golf-mk7/apr-stage-1-remap-2-0-tfsi-210-220-230bhp-engines/

As previously mentioned, there’s the BSR option which sounds appealing.

There’s a place in chesterfield who do rolling road sessions for around £60/70 but could probably get a deal if there’s more than a couple of people.
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 17 January 2019, 19:14
What's the place in Chesterfield called? Did a RR day there YEARS a go
Title: Re: Remaps
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 18 January 2019, 10:50
What's the place in Chesterfield called? Did a RR day there YEARS a go

JBS - another terrible website  :rolleyes:

http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/