Last time I checked this was a GTI forum - where people express their opinions on lots of Golf related topics. The Mk8 is bound to cause discussion and all people can go is what we can see as the development of the new car progresses. Yes, it would great if the finalised car appeared right at the start but it doesn't. Yes, most people opinions and judgements will be premature and the finished performance models will no doubt look good or else VW will have massively f@@ked up their best selling model. But people's opinions are just that. I personally don't like the overall shape but guessing the showroom finished GTI will look a lot better. If you don't like what people have to say, move on and read another thread. It's really pretty simple.