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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Golf mk7 GTD/TDI => Topic started by: GTDING on 30 January 2017, 20:49
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Hi All
Just taken delivery of a brand new, carbon grey GTD. Its like entering the space age, having come from a 10 year old car before this. Loving the car, but I have to admit to having a spot of bother with learning how to use the electronic and auto hold handbrakes!
Please could anyone help answer the following question?
1)Can I just leave autohold on, whilst driving around all day and let this act as my handbrake at traffic lights/traffic hold ups etc, without having to turn it on every time I stop for a brief while? Or should I just push the auto hold button when I require it?
2) Does autohold need to be deactivated when reversing the vehicle?
3) When I put the electronic handbrake on instead, can I just drive away, without actually pushing the button to take the handbrake off?
Thanks in advance. Kevin.
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Hi Kevin - you can switch the Autohold on and never touch it or the handbrake button again, it's great! I thought it'd be tricky coming from a manual handbrake but once you learn to trust it, brilliant!
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Hi Many thanks. My little brain is trying to get used to all this new technology and there's a lot too! I can't believe how much cars have changed, coming from a ten year old car! Its abit like 'hey, why didn't anyone tell us about all this!?'
I feel like we've been in the dark ages for a good while!
So I can just pootle around with the autohold switched on, no need to turn it off? The electronic handbrake did make a loud banging noise last week, when pulling away. The dealer said it was because the car was new and had been sitting around for a while! No noises since this, but tonight I reversed with the autohold on and there was a burning smell in the cabin afterwards. Did I do something wrong, with leaving the auto hold on? Thanks.
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Hi All
Just taken delivery of a brand new, carbon grey GTD. Its like entering the space age, having come from a 10 year old car before this. Loving the car, but I have to admit to having a spot of bother with learning how to use the electronic and auto hold handbrakes!
Please could anyone help answer the following question?
1)Can I just leave autohold on, whilst driving around all day and let this act as my handbrake at traffic lights/traffic hold ups etc, without having to turn it on every time I stop for a brief while? Or should I just push the auto hold button when I require it?
2) Does autohold need to be deactivated when reversing the vehicle?
3) When I put the electronic handbrake on instead, can I just drive away, without actually pushing the button to take the handbrake off?
Thanks in advance. Kevin.
Hello Kevin and welcome The Club. :cool:
As Watts says.It is basically a take care of itself system.It makes a handbrake look prehistoric.
In answer to your questions.
1)Yes.Just leave Autohold on all the time.You don't need to touch it.Traffic jams/hill starts- as soon as the car senses you have braked the car to a halt- it will show a green 'P' on the dash.Once it is on it will hold you safely.No need to keep your foot on the brake.Once you touch the accelerator it will release as if you had released a handbrake.
2)Autohold will deactivate automatically when you start to reverse.No need to touch anything.
3)Yes.It will release automatically.
When you park up.Obviously the green 'P' will show on the dash and you might think you have to pull up the liitle Autohold lever to get the red 'P'.But no.Once you turn off the ignition and open the door it will do it itself!. :smiley:
Best colour by the way!. :grin:
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Hi Many thanks. My little brain is trying to get used to all this new technology and there's a lot too! I can't believe how much cars have changed, coming from a ten year old car! Its abit like 'hey, why didn't anyone tell us about all this!?'
I feel like we've been in the dark ages for a good while!
So I can just pootle around with the autohold switched on, no need to turn it off? The electronic handbrake did make a loud banging noise last week, when pulling away. The dealer said it was because the car was new and had been sitting around for a while! No noises since this, but tonight I reversed with the autohold on and there was a burning smell in the cabin afterwards. Did I do something wrong, with leaving the auto hold on? Thanks.
The auto hold or auto parking brake should release as soon as you start to reverse.Green/red light should go out on the dash.Burning smell?.Mmm.Tha is not right.Did it feel like it was holding back?.Like trying to drive with the brakes on?.
The only noise you should ever hear is the 2 electric motors engaging your rear wheels on autohold/parking.
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Hi Restlessnative and thanks for the warm welcome!
Yes, it felt like it was driving with the brakes on. It also smelt like it was driving with the brakes on!
Worried the brakes are damaged now. They were really hot and smelt it too, when I had a close look at them afterwards. It did not feel right at all and there was definitely something trying to stop the car reversing backwards, which felt like the brakes were still on. Strange feeling and not one I've had before in a car.
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Is the car a new one or second hand ?
Just a long shot but early MK7's had an electronic handbrake that wouldn't release if you didn't have your seat belt on. Later models did away with this requirement (my 2013 GTD had it, my 2016 GTD doesn't).
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I think Sooty might have a point, but based on my experience you'd have to be trying quite hard to overcome the handbrake and ignoring the "release parking brake" messages on the dash...
The handbrake is only ever on or off, its never partly on like a manual handbrake and its pretty firmly braked - unlike my wife's Fiesta that I jump into and forget it has a manual handbrake until I reach the supermarket sometimes... that does make a burning smell :D
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So after a visit to the local VW garage, this is what the experienced sales guy said:
When reversing down a gradient, slight or otherwise, with the autohold on, the computer thinks that the car is 'rolling' down the hill. so it quickly brakes all four wheels to prevent this. This is despite having the car in reverse gear and lifting the clutch up and with a small amount of throttle, which I understand, should disengage the autohold (but didn't last night!).
He believes the braking computer system, gets confused and therefore brakes the car when reversing down a slope, unnecessarily. He also said he thought it best to take auto hold off, before reversing downhill/slight slope again.
So what do think guys? All I know is that I forgot to take autohold off tonight, when reversing into the same space, on the slope and no problems tonight! No baked brakes, nor cooked clutch!
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So after a visit to the local VW garage, this is what the experienced sales guy said:
When reversing down a gradient, slight or otherwise, with the autohold on, the computer thinks that the car is 'rolling' down the hill. so it quickly brakes all four wheels to prevent this. This is despite having the car in reverse gear and lifting the clutch up and with a small amount of throttle, which I understand, should disengage the autohold (but didn't last night!).
He believes the braking computer system, gets confused and therefore brakes the car when reversing down a slope, unnecessarily. He also said he thought it best to take auto hold off, before reversing downhill/slight slope again.
So what do think guys? All I know is that I forgot to take autohold off tonight, when reversing into the same space, on the slope and no problems tonight! No baked brakes, nor cooked clutch!
I've not experienced this but then may not have encountered the same scenario. My brakes do stick on occasionally, usually after a wet night as did my car before. When pulling away they do make a loud noise as they come free. You shouldn't have to fiddle with the autohold though having said that I could easily see the system getting fooled on occasion. If it is working okay now chances are it is okay, just keep an eye on it?
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Okay will do! Shame this happened, as it has spoilt the new car, ownership feel. The service manager at dealer we got the car from, was an absolute disgrace when dealing with us and called the fault our own, plus some other nasty comments! I noted he has been complained about before..
As I said thankfully a really nice sales chap, talked us through the handbrake operation and apologised for the service guys attitude.What he said, did make a lot of sense. He prefers old school handbrakes though, but we're pretty much stuck with the car and are trying really hard to see the positives in it, after a few things going wrong! Computer stopped working on the second day of ownership, then rear handbrake failed to release when driving away in traffic etc.
Though I guess it is a GTI with a diesel engine in right, or am I wrong about that too (according to the service manager, probably)! :undecided:
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Messing this quote thing up now! :laugh:
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I can't say for the Golf but on my CC 2015 I often have the same problem you have but I have it when going forward. There is a part of road that I use a lot and it is a T junction that is on a downhill and from time to time when I'm edging out to check for traffic as it is also on a bend, the car will just stop dead like I have hit the brakes. Frightened the bejeesus out of me the first time it happened.
Congrats on the new car, I'm picking mine up on the 1st of March.
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I can't say for the Golf but on my CC 2015 I often have the same problem you have but I have it when going forward. There is a part of road that I use a lot and it is a T junction that is on a downhill and from time to time when I'm edging out to check for traffic as it is also on a bend, the car will just stop dead like I have hit the brakes. Frightened the bejeesus out of me the first time it happened.
Congrats on the new car, I'm picking mine up on the 1st of March.
Thanks. As I say, its early into the car relationship thing, so with a few faults so far, we are apprehensive so far! I hope yours is spot on from the start.
Could I ask, does the problem occur with the auto hold on, when pulling out of the downhill junction?
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I can't say for the Golf but on my CC 2015 I often have the same problem you have but I have it when going forward. There is a part of road that I use a lot and it is a T junction that is on a downhill and from time to time when I'm edging out to check for traffic as it is also on a bend, the car will just stop dead like I have hit the brakes. Frightened the bejeesus out of me the first time it happened.
Congrats on the new car, I'm picking mine up on the 1st of March.
Thanks. As I say, its early into the car relationship thing, so with a few faults so far, we are apprehensive so far! I hope yours is spot on from the start.
Could I ask, does the problem occur with the auto hold on, when pulling out of the downhill junction?
Yes, I have never had auto hold turned off.
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I still think the problem is (and I'm not being rude) driver error... maybe you can find a member on here near you who can give you a few mins of time in exchange for a cup of tea?
I reckon that would sort out your problems...
That a VW dealer know nothing about your car really is absolutely no surprise to anyone here. Just the same as the man in PC World knows actually bugger all about your computer.
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Thanks all!
Forgetting the electronic handbrake for a moment, what does turning the ESC Sport mode do to the driving experience? Do you notice any difference, or benefits to driving in this mode (on the road, not track)?
I'm beginning to see that this is a very powerful motor indeed! Feeling the turbo coming in, is like being hit with a mallet, compared to my last car...
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"Sport mode" changes the electronic fly by wire throttle mapping. In other words what in "normal" mode gives you 20% throttle for 15mm of pedal travel (just a random example) gives you 40% in "sport".
It does some other things too - changes the electronic steering rack turn rate (steering feels heavier), changes the bendy headlights to "sport" (no idea exactly what changes), ACC accelerates faster and if you have DCC, makes the *initial* damping firmer. Oh and also it makes the internal soundaktor louder - the fake engine noise is more pronounced.
If you choose individual mode, you can choose which of these things you want set to what.
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"Sport mode" changes the electronic fly by wire throttle mapping. In other words what in "normal" mode gives you 20% throttle for 15mm of pedal travel (just a random example) gives you 40% in "sport".
It does some other things too - changes the electronic steering rack turn rate (steering feels heavier), changes the bendy headlights to "sport" (no idea exactly what changes), ACC accelerates faster and if you have DCC, makes the *initial* damping firmer. Oh and also it makes the internal soundaktor louder - the fake engine noise is more pronounced.
If you choose individual mode, you can choose which of these things you want set to what.
OK thanks. What does ESC Sport mode do to the driving experience? Anything worth experiencing? I think it turns off the traction control and limits the Anti skid reduction, but wanted to know what you can feel through the car, or rather what the car can/or can't do, as the case maybe, in this mode?
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Oh sorry, i misunderstood you.
ESC is electronic stability control. It brakes individual wheels to correct abnormal vehicle direction.
Sticking it into sport reduces the sensitivity of the mechanism, allowing the vehicle to handle to some degree in more ways than a normal road driver would want to happen.
Using VCDS you can actually totally switch it off.
If you imagine that safety tech just "spoils your fun", go for it. Personally I'd sooner have anything help me avoid death and destruction. Shaving off 0.1 second from my trip to work doesn't really bother me!
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New GTD.
nb: not mine, but the really, really new GTD.
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-vii-pa/which-model-compare/details/2821#!#overview
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What about Sport & Sound? - I love that on my current car!
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What about Sport & Sound? - I love that on my current car!
Can't see anything too drastic added, apart from a facelift and interior revamp.
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"Sport mode" changes the electronic fly by wire throttle mapping. In other words what in "normal" mode gives you 20% throttle for 15mm of pedal travel (just a random example) gives you 40% in "sport".
It does some other things too - changes the electronic steering rack turn rate (steering feels heavier), changes the bendy headlights to "sport" (no idea exactly what changes), ACC accelerates faster and if you have DCC, makes the *initial* damping firmer. Oh and also it makes the internal soundaktor louder - the fake engine noise is more pronounced.
If you choose individual mode, you can choose which of these things you want set to what.
It makes the bendy lights turn more and faster, you will notice it when you are driving around with high beams on. I was surprised by how much they turn when in sport mode.
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The steering isn't just heavier in Sport (Race on the R), it feels more direct and the lock to lock is much shorter (around 1.8 turns of the steering wheel rather than 2.4).
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The steering isn't just heavier in Sport (Race on the R), it feels more direct and the lock to lock is much shorter (around 1.8 turns of the steering wheel rather than 2.4).
So the suspension dampers don't change from standard then? The ride feels firmer in Sport, so if the dampers don't change, the feeling must all come from the changes with the steering and aural. Certainly all feels and sounds a lot more 'aggressive' in Sport. I feel like that's how a GTI (with a diesel engine in) should feel! GTID :grin:
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So the suspension dampers don't change from standard then? The ride feels firmer in Sport, so if the dampers don't change, the feeling must all come from the changes with the steering and aural.
As I said earlier: if you have DCC, makes the *initial* damping firmer
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On the latest Mk7 Sport & Sound was an option to give you an extra sporty sound to the car along with red calipars - no sign of any mention of this in the brochure for the Mk7.5
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On the latest Mk7 Sport & Sound was an option to give you an extra sporty sound to the car along with red calipars - no sign of any mention of this in the brochure for the Mk7.5
Nor keyless, which we LOOOOVE! Hey finger print coded car. At least that's what a passer by might assume, when we lock and unlock it...Plus the push button start, how sexy is that!? :cool:
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GTDING - I agree totally - love the keyless!
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GTDING - I agree totally - love the keyless!
I see we both share a love of the carbon grey colour too! :smiley:
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GTDING - I agree totally - love the keyless!
I see we both share a love of the carbon grey colour too! :smiley:
Yes - I'm looking forward to see how Indium Grey actually looks, as that may have to be my colour of choice later this year.
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Yes - I'm looking forward to see how Indium Grey actually looks, as that may have to be my colour of choice later this year.
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Is Carbon grey actually pearlescent? I ask, because I swear I could see some different shades in the paint, when the sun was shinning on it..
Also, have they used Indium grey on a VW before?
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Yes its been around for years - fairly common on Sciroccos.
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Do you common in a good or bad way?
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Is Carbon grey actually pearlescent? I ask, because I swear I could see some different shades in the paint, when the sun was shinning on it..
Carbon Grey is metallic. Had it on my mk6 GTD and under certain lighting conditions, IMO it did have a green-ish hue to the colour.
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Is Carbon grey actually pearlescent? I ask, because I swear I could see some different shades in the paint, when the sun was shinning on it..
Carbon Grey is metallic. Had it on my mk6 GTD and under certain lighting conditions, IMO it did have a green-ish hue to the colour.
Yes, it has a dark greenish hue in certain light - like looking at the sea on an overcast/rainy day.