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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Hertsman on 14 October 2019, 10:51
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Now received and put some miles on, thought a separate thread justified for those who are thinking moving from an R to the TCR or latterly moving from an R to the MK 8 GTI with rationale that the MK 8 GTI will be likely increased to 290 BHP and not drive too dissimilar to the TCR.
Had my apprehensions on switching, mainly in dropping the AWD and the oft quoted firmer suspension set of the TCR which was balanced by the hope that the 100 KG drop in weight and some of the TCR tweaks would offset and keep my driving experience at the same high level had with the R.
These only initial thoughts as only done 360 miles and still varying my driving to the 1000 miles, which know some contest as not needed but I see the logic completely and think its still a must activity.
But first thoughts.
Feels much livelier than the R, you can definitely feel how much lighter it is and that makes the TCR feel more agile as push in to sweeping bends.
The power delivery is more instant and smoothly linear than the R, it really does get moving quick! (imagine those with pedal boxes get the same) and the 30-70 pull, even with watching the rev counter is smile making :)
So lost none of the pace of the R that became a must have and even the 10 BHP down, the TCR feels quicker and more responsive on the move
There might be just 10 BHP difference, but MPG was improved, where would expect circa 30 mpg on the mixed driving that did it returned 36 MPG
It was a rubbish and wet weekend and even when moved out of junctions at a decent push there was no tramping - imagine if boot it hard in the wet it will tramp but in the middle ground of a decent getaway you felt assured you are going to make the gap without any standing still. This was a concern, but as drove through the weekend very much allayed now.
Happy to report that the suspension commentary is just a misnomer, as even in Sport there is really good compliance, you do not get any crashes, you feel the bumps in surface being absorbed still, the only feeling on a poor surface is that the ride jiggles around a little on the uneven surface - Comfort feels pretty close to the R with DCC and same for the Normal as matching - So, suspension is a non issue, you are still getting the best of both worlds with excellent comfort on the commute, firm and flat when putting the selector to Sport.
The steering has been modified for the TCR and is very noticeable as different to the R in combination with the 100 KG drop in weight. Steering just felt more precise and TCR just feels lighter and more agile in your hands - The R goes around the bends on its rails, planted and secure, where the TCR gives you more feeling of the car, lighter on its feet but equally assured - Its hard to describe really but the difference is there to feel.
Cannot really comment on the Akrapovich too much aside from like the deep tones and they look great back there, the real assessment will come later when put more miles on and can really test. Love that there is no soundaktor, all noises are real :)
Coming from the MK 7, there is also the MK 7.5 additions to take in.
Have to retract all my previous comments on the virtual cockpit as love it, its very clear, and to have the navigation view with the smaller dials is brilliant - The navigation itself is much improved, the added manoeuvre graphic make such a difference at the multi exit junctions. - Think there is more configuration that can do but like the clean and clear look and I am a convert.
The speed sign recognition is excellent also, as travelled through many different villages and speed zones.
The new MIB is much improved also, the screen resolution and glass ipad style touch, clear and fast, - Had to input a couple of DAB logo but everything set up quickly, my phone connecting on bluetooth and the Car Play also improved with track art.
The We Connect seems to work ok, synched up each day ok so the e-sim obviously functioning.
Took a drive out to Caffeine and Machine for breakfast and then onto Ikea to buy some units as the TCR has to earn its keep and of course it does its dutiful Golf duty very well :)
These just initial views, but will add some more R to TCR comparisons once really put some miles on it - Off to Manchester next week so that be another 400, so should be up to the 1000 by months end.
Still can imagine there will be some tramp on a wet day if floor it, but from 3 days driving am only feeling upside, with the styling and drive,
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Good info and review. I'm debating TCR or R next as 2 possible options.
Here's the Akra for everyone in forum size... :grin:
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Good review!
I wonder though if a similar spec'ed Mk7.5 GTI PP would have felt just the same?
The TCR is a lovely package in terms of looks - no dispute, but in terms of driving?
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I would say very to little difference in the driving, the only real world difference is the lower bhp.
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Great to see your first impressions are so positive hertsman :afro:
Once you get used to the VAQ diff you’ll be properly converted!
Similar to my thoughts on moving from R to Clubsport, neither “better” but noticeable in how different they drive considering all the similarities in hardware.
Good review!
I wonder though if a similar spec'ed Mk7.5 GTI PP would have felt just the same?
The TCR is a lovely package in terms of looks - no dispute, but in terms of driving?
The only real difference is the GTI PP feels even more linear and pulls from lower revs but the TCR engine is more revvy and wants to pick up its skirts and zoom off more readily. Against a stopwatch there’d be little in it.
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Good review!
I wonder though if a similar spec'ed Mk7.5 GTI PP would have felt just the same?
The TCR is a lovely package in terms of looks - no dispute, but in terms of driving?
Pretty sure the DCC is different on the TCR, different components and set up more like the CSS and 5 mm lower than the GTI PP - How that equates as a different to the PP in driving I cannot answer but in terms of the to the R, then the TCR felt more agile yet no less secure.
"19-inch “Reifnitz” alloy wheels with 235/35 R 19 tyres plus Vmax limit removal and adaptive Dynamic Chassis Control (DCC) including running gear that is lower by 20mm compared with the normal running gear (five millimetres less as compared to the GTI running gear) as well as a special sports adjustment of the front axle and rear axle shock absorbers."
Some have better view on the technical aspects, so maybe they can add that thread moves on.
I am taking it easy but the power seems to come earlier than my R and it just 'felt' quicker and power kept coming - Think my R would definitely benefited from a pedal box having stepped into the TCR.
Keeping near to the 300 BHP and the R pace was one of the major convincing aspects to switch, but it surprised me how quick it feels (think that word 'feels' is important as its highly likely that R and TCR very comparable if put a watch to what saying)
Did not mention the brakes in preliminary review above, but they caught me out a couple of times as grabbed harder than expected from the R and made me and wife jolt!
My thinking at the moment is that R is so capable in what it does that it insulates you a little from the experience, and that maybe the TCR with its extra BHP keeps that pace but gives you a little more driving engagement also.
Its my first GTI, a car always wanted since they came on roads, so maybe I am a little heady from the heritage also, loving the little red accents and the badge, and very happy to be in one, and think got my timing right :)
Of course early days, and need to get out in the TCR more and drive without restriction to really compare, but given how much thought of the R, happier than imagined would be.
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Great to see your first impressions are so positive hertsman :afro:
Once you get used to the VAQ diff you’ll be properly converted!
Similar to my thoughts on moving from R to Clubsport, neither “better” but noticeable in how different they drive considering all the similarities in hardware.
Good review!
I wonder though if a similar spec'ed Mk7.5 GTI PP would have felt just the same?
The TCR is a lovely package in terms of looks - no dispute, but in terms of driving?
The only real difference is the GTI PP feels even more linear and pulls from lower revs but the TCR engine is more revvy and wants to pick up its skirts and zoom off more readily. Against a stopwatch there’d be little in it.
There is no better, better is subjective, and very happy to settle on just different flavours of great.
JCT 12 off M1 is a nice curvy slip and though did not push it hard around that sweeping bend it ran fast, flat and secure and as exited to slow down the smile was definitely there - The run to caffeine and machine takes you through some nice B roads and again was taking it relatively easy, the handling was excellent :)
Know the TCR is not quicker on a stopwatch but the TCR had me having to pull the reins back far quicker than expected, very pleasing for when I let it have its head :)
Sure there be a wet day where R AWD will be missed as getaway but given the wet weather that went out in this weekend there was no compromise only upside so far.
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The new version of dcc should be on the mk8 but the version on 7s and 7.5s is exactly the same. Does the TCR not have the same suspension as the Leon Cupra ST r? Slightly different camber I think.
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Now received and put some miles on, thought a separate thread justified for those who are thinking moving from an R to the TCR or latterly moving from an R to the MK 8 GTI with rationale that the MK 8 GTI will be likely increased to 290 BHP and not drive too dissimilar to the TCR.
Had my apprehensions on switching, mainly in dropping the AWD and the oft quoted firmer suspension set of the TCR which was balanced by the hope that the 100 KG drop in weight and some of the TCR tweaks would offset and keep my driving experience at the same high level had with the R.
These only initial thoughts as only done 360 miles and still varying my driving to the 1000 miles, which know some contest as not needed but I see the logic completely and think its still a must activity.
But first thoughts.
Feels much livelier than the R, you can definitely feel how much lighter it is and that makes the TCR feel more agile as push in to sweeping bends.
The power delivery is more instant and smoothly linear than the R, it really does get moving quick! (imagine those with pedal boxes get the same) and the 30-70 pull, even with watching the rev counter is smile making :)
So lost none of the pace of the R that became a must have and even the 10 BHP down, the TCR feels quicker and more responsive on the move
There might be just 10 BHP difference, but MPG was improved, where would expect circa 30 mpg on the mixed driving that did it returned 36 MPG
It was a rubbish and wet weekend and even when moved out of junctions at a decent push there was no tramping - imagine if boot it hard in the wet it will tramp but in the middle ground of a decent getaway you felt assured you are going to make the gap without any standing still. This was a concern, but as drove through the weekend very much allayed now.
Happy to report that the suspension commentary is just a misnomer, as even in Sport there is really good compliance, you do not get any crashes, you feel the bumps in surface being absorbed still, the only feeling on a poor surface is that the ride jiggles around a little on the uneven surface - Comfort feels pretty close to the R with DCC and same for the Normal as matching - So, suspension is a non issue, you are still getting the best of both worlds with excellent comfort on the commute, firm and flat when putting the selector to Sport.
The steering has been modified for the TCR and is very noticeable as different to the R in combination with the 100 KG drop in weight. Steering just felt more precise and TCR just feels lighter and more agile in your hands - The R goes around the bends on its rails, planted and secure, where the TCR gives you more feeling of the car, lighter on its feet but equally assured - Its hard to describe really but the difference is there to feel.
Cannot really comment on the Akrapovich too much aside from like the deep tones and they look great back there, the real assessment will come later when put more miles on and can really test. Love that there is no soundaktor, all noises are real :)
Coming from the MK 7, there is also the MK 7.5 additions to take in.
Have to retract all my previous comments on the virtual cockpit as love it, its very clear, and to have the navigation view with the smaller dials is brilliant - The navigation itself is much improved, the added manoeuvre graphic make such a difference at the multi exit junctions. - Think there is more configuration that can do but like the clean and clear look and I am a convert.
The speed sign recognition is excellent also, as travelled through many different villages and speed zones.
The new MIB is much improved also, the screen resolution and glass ipad style touch, clear and fast, - Had to input a couple of DAB logo but everything set up quickly, my phone connecting on bluetooth and the Car Play also improved with track art.
The We Connect seems to work ok, synched up each day ok so the e-sim obviously functioning.
Took a drive out to Caffeine and Machine for breakfast and then onto Ikea to buy some units as the TCR has to earn its keep and of course it does its dutiful Golf duty very well :)
These just initial views, but will add some more R to TCR comparisons once really put some miles on it - Off to Manchester next week so that be another 400, so should be up to the 1000 by months end.
Still can imagine there will be some tramp on a wet day if floor it, but from 3 days driving am only feeling upside, with the styling and drive,
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Why would you do that do me! I love the looks of the TCR, so congrats. What is the little 'TCR' light?
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Puddle light under door similar to mk4 Golfs had but with added logo like JCW Minis have.
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Good write up and really pleased to hear you’re enjoying the TCR and that it’s met, or exceeded, your expectations.
If you plan another trip to C&M at any point let me know as we’re only 8 miles from there so can pop down and I can break my duck of not having seen another TCR on the road as yet :smiley:
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Good write up and really pleased to hear you’re enjoying the TCR and that it’s met, or exceeded, your expectations.
If you plan another trip to C&M at any point let me know as we’re only 8 miles from there so can pop down and I can break my duck of not having seen another TCR on the road as yet :smiley:
This weekend trip to C&M was on spur of moment as had to go to IKEA and its not too much of a leap given wanted to put some miles on the TCR anyways - Not sure when up that way again, but if was I would likely drop into C&M and so would let you know :)
Not driven the TCR for 2 days, chained to laptop and a headset, did however see its pretty rear heading off last 2 days as wife decided she may as well take it if I am not using - still not sure how I feel about that :grin:
She liked the R but always found it a jump from her A1 185 BHP Sline, in terms of heavier handling as her A1 is very light and her first impressions are is that the TCR is more responsive in steering - She says she has had quite a few looks since driven it in, and of course I said they are for you my love and not the TCR :grin:
Expect to get out and about over weekend and have a couple of long journey coming up, so should by end of the month reach that 1000 mile mark and have a better feel its capabilities as definitely only had tasters to this point.
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Probably easier to park than the R too - better steering lock.
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Probably easier to park than the R too - better steering lock.
Can testify that the ability to be able to turn in a reasonable circle has returned opposed to the 3 point turn and apologetic wave feature included in the R :grin:
Just done a full sweep in one motion as a turnaround close to house that have done in all my other cars to the point of the R and so another little but welcome plus +
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Looks great (I would say that as its the same as mine bar the pan roof) and glad you like it.
I too am trying to put some extra miles on before opening it up a little more (following the same breaking in method as you are rightly or wrongly) but being hampered by other commitments.
Im quite happy with the Akra exhaust sound too. Not too much - just right :)
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Looks great (I would say that as its the same as mine bar the pan roof) and glad you like it.
I too am trying to put some extra miles on before opening it up a little more (following the same breaking in method as you are rightly or wrongly) but being hampered by other commitments.
Im quite happy with the Akra exhaust sound too. Not too much - just right :)
It just makes sense to let the mechanics settle in before stress them to their designed capacity - Much of my driving so far has been naturally mixed and keeping the reins pulled in, which is not easy as it feels eager to go, and cannot wait to let it have its head - Its hard to really correlate but did the same for both the GTD and the R and had no issue with either and with increasingly good economy on both
Even if it is placebo, i am doing it anyway.
The only time not done this was when purchased a 9 month old 2.0 litre Bora Sport Demo and it had engine management issues later in life with a rubbish economy that even the R would be ashamed of when in Race mode. - I put that down to a ragged Demo and the deal I got that looked amazing at the time felt less so as spent more ££ than should keeping on road.
Wife had TCR last 2 days but got it back today and went to next town to collect daughter and so added another 30 miles and enjoyed a couple obvious glances over
The Akra definitely looks the part, :evil: but as not driving with any real intent real judgement is yet to come on the noise though having watched wife drive off last couple of days obviously got to hear it native and its a lovely deep tone, that suspect will increase as miles are put on - Again looking forward to hearing it when can drive unrestricted and with some miles on it
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I think the one thing I like in terms of performance/response etc is that it remains usable in Normal and Comfort Mode. In my old m135i choosing Comfort dulled the response way too much to the point I hardly ever used it.
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I think the one thing I like in terms of performance/response etc is that it remains usable in Normal and Comfort Mode. In my old m135i choosing Comfort dulled the response way too much to the point I hardly ever used it.
As coming from the R very used to that already with the ability to move the DSG from D to S adding even more flexibility to those modes.
Imagine the TCR is a big change from the M135i in many ways, so be interesting to see how you feel about it over the months, there might be a little you lose, but maybe a lot you gain? so like said be interesting to read.
Tend not to use the DSG in auto when in Sport as gears are just a little too long, but when I place it into Sport it pretty much means I want to be more in control, so its always paddles, - Let the DSG do all the donkey work on the normal drive.
Know some swear by manual, as I once did, but total convert, so much flexibility between the modes and DSG to drive to conditions or wish to. - We talk about the performance of these cars, they are our main focus but nothing much better to have in armoury on a commute in back to back traffic than the DCC + DSG + Auto Hold
My R suffered a little from response that many have resolved with pedal boxes, where as I just got used to it and navigated it with some learned intuition on pedal travel - The TCR does not seem to suffer from this and for me the response is so much better to point having to rein it back where the R was only just responding.
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I've been away otherwise I would have congratulated you sooner Hertsman. Felt like a very long wait for you.
Ya see! I told you that you'd like it. :grin:
I have not been able to get the TCR to tramp in daily use - burying my foot like an ape to find what it would take, yes, you'll get it but it's FWD at the end of the day and there has to be a point where it lets go. I suspect as the roads deteriorate, I may revise that opinion.
Although the 0-60 is slower than an R, it doesn't feel like the difference on paper. Not sure if you feel the same way having spent more time in an R than I ever have.
Having spent 3 weeks in Namibia driving hardcore roads in a Toyota Hilux, I spent a little time in Windhoek and was surprised at the number of Golf GTIs I saw - nearly 20 in a day. Outside of an urban environment, it would be the quickest way to destroy a car and the country is like a giant backdrop for Toyota products. 2 out of 3 is a Toyota and when you enter Botswana, there is a giant billboard that declares 'Welcome to Toyota country'. They're not wrong. GTI trying to change that in Windhoek! :laugh:
Driving the TCR today after about a month from it, it really brings home what a great package the vehicle is. Although being able to drive at things in a Hilux with relative abandon has a certain appeal!
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I've been away otherwise I would have congratulated you sooner Hertsman. Felt like a very long wait for you.
Ya see! I told you that you'd like it. :grin:
I have not been able to get the TCR to tramp in daily use - burying my foot like an ape to find what it would take, yes, you'll get it but it's FWD at the end of the day and there has to be a point where it lets go. I suspect as the roads deteriorate, I may revise that opinion.
Although the 0-60 is slower than an R, it doesn't feel like the difference on paper. Not sure if you feel the same way having spent more time in an R than I ever have.
Having spent 3 weeks in Namibia driving hardcore roads in a Toyota Hilux, I spent a little time in Windhoek and was surprised at the number of Golf GTIs I saw - nearly 20 in a day. Outside of an urban environment, it would be the quickest way to destroy a car and the country is like a giant backdrop for Toyota products. 2 out of 3 is a Toyota and when you enter Botswana, there is a giant billboard that declares 'Welcome to Toyota country'. They're not wrong. GTI trying to change that in Windhoek! :laugh:
Driving the TCR today after about a month from it, it really brings home what a great package the vehicle is. Although being able to drive at things in a Hilux with relative abandon has a certain appeal!
Thank you sir!
Yes it was a long wait, but nature of the beast as ordering early offsets the risk of delays, which used to be a problem as happened more often than not when anyone ordered their car - That does not happen any more but if you know what you want and order pretty much straight away its easy 20 weeks wait - Think this be last company car that take though, not really liking the way cars are going and might start looking at some premium second hand cars of this and last generation - If the TCR has a good period with me then that might be a keeper also as we shift the second car we have and that takes its place.
But thats all for then, the TCR is here now and that wait has dissipated very quickly into a distant memory.
It was a somping wet weekend and had to pull up to a variety of junctions and managed to get into some keen gaps without any hint of tramp - The law of physics likely dictates that if you completely floor it, in the dry and more so in the wet, the TCR will tramp but from the decent and keen getaway made this weekend it seems have to push pretty hard to meet the threshold for tramping - winter is upon us, so there will be plentiful tests of this, and like you, we shall see.
My R suffered from poor response, which I came to intuitively navigate, but think the TCR has given me a view to what the pedal box many put on the R gave to them, as the TCR is so much more responsive, and eager! Wife and I looked over to each other a couple of times as I pulled the reins in, my face with a broad smile and hers with a nervous smile, - She done many miles in the R with me and reaction alone says there is a difference.
Can definitely feel the lightness in the handling, precise and assured still, but more feeling for the car around you.
It can look like I am knocking the R, but I am not, these comments are in a way a compliment to its huge capability, it does everything so well, so assured that maybe it insulates you a little from the drive?
But less of me, what a trip you went on! and bouncing around in abandon in a beastly Hilux sounds a whole lot of fun, certainly a different backdrop to the UK as you ventured around.
Not done many miles in the TCR this week, as back to work but have a few journeys planned this weekend starting tonight to increase my feel for the car.
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Can definitely feel the lightness in the handling, precise and assured still, but more feeling for the car around you.
It can look like I am knocking the R, but I am not, these comments are in a way a compliment to its huge capability, it does everything so well, so assured that maybe it insulates you a little from the drive?
But less of me, what a trip you went on! and bouncing around in abandon in a beastly Hilux sounds a whole lot of fun, certainly a different backdrop to the UK as you ventured around.
Not done many miles in the TCR this week, as back to work but have a few journeys planned this weekend starting tonight to increase my feel for the car.
The R is a very capable car. There are elements that have never really drawn me to it but I can certainly see the appeal.
The standard exhaust has bedded in and I pulled in today and collected the bin from the road and was taken by the deep resonant sound the exhaust is now making. I've grown to quite like it. It is quieter in the cabin than the CSS though but that could be that I'm just used to the loss of sound deadening. I do think I'm going to add changing the tail lights on the CSS to 7.5 versions to my to do list. They do look great and having not seen the TCR in a while, it's a really good looking car.
I've driven over 10,000kms in Namibia and it's a superb country to drive and would recommend it to anyone who enjoys driving. I'm from Southern Africa so go back to the region for about a month once a year if I can. Have persuaded my wife that it would be a good idea to have our own vehicle which we ship out. Test driving a Ranger Raptor tomorrow. The specification choices are half a dozen colours and do you want some really garish decals or not! :grin:
Have you got the hang of the settings yet? I've been running ours in custom with everything on Sport except the dampers which are on comfort. I think it works pretty well.
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Can definitely feel the lightness in the handling, precise and assured still, but more feeling for the car around you.
It can look like I am knocking the R, but I am not, these comments are in a way a compliment to its huge capability, it does everything so well, so assured that maybe it insulates you a little from the drive?
But less of me, what a trip you went on! and bouncing around in abandon in a beastly Hilux sounds a whole lot of fun, certainly a different backdrop to the UK as you ventured around.
Not done many miles in the TCR this week, as back to work but have a few journeys planned this weekend starting tonight to increase my feel for the car.
The R is a very capable car. There are elements that have never really drawn me to it but I can certainly see the appeal.
The standard exhaust has bedded in and I pulled in today and collected the bin from the road and was taken by the deep resonant sound the exhaust is now making. I've grown to quite like it. It is quieter in the cabin than the CSS though but that could be that I'm just used to the loss of sound deadening. I do think I'm going to add changing the tail lights on the CSS to 7.5 versions to my to do list. They do look great and having not seen the TCR in a while, it's a really good looking car.
I've driven over 10,000kms in Namibia and it's a superb country to drive and would recommend it to anyone who enjoys driving. I'm from Southern Africa so go back to the region for about a month once a year if I can. Have persuaded my wife that it would be a good idea to have our own vehicle which we ship out. Test driving a Ranger Raptor tomorrow. The specification choices are half a dozen colours and do you want some really garish decals or not! :grin:
Have you got the hang of the settings yet? I've been running ours in custom with everything on Sport except the dampers which are on comfort. I think it works pretty well.
Clocked 500 miles this weekend, just a circa 500 to go before start just driving it freely - Trip to Manchester delayed till next week now, but should have that 1000 done by months end still.
Had the individual set to Sport for everything and tried it between Comfort > Normal and Sport on DCC and on roads we were on which were quite good, then Normal seemed to be giving the best but could have actually been as happy in all of the settings really.
Heard the first Akrapovich 'cracks' on some overrun yesterday, as allowed the gears to stretch a little, quite a loud pop, very noticeable and smile inducing - Also has the nice deep tone of the stainless exhaust on general running and sure this experience improves as miles increase as well as when can stretch the car out properly.
Made note of this in another thread but found the MK 7.5 lift of the High Beam Assist a nice piece of tech, worked seamlessly as came home late on a dark rat run that usually on and off the high beam - The LED lights seem much brighter than the MK 7 xenon, on the high beam, the arc of light made like you travelling into bright tunnel and when a car came towards you could see the drivers side dim and no flash at all from the oncoming car.
Still sticking to feeling that the TCR feels R quick but more agile, as its just feels lighter into the turns, opposed to the rock solid on rails sweep around the bend R gave. - Its hard to put in words really but you feel the drop in weight.
Aside from that, much the same still as first review, still getting at one with it and waiting for when can push on at point presently pulling the reins in.
Bet you a happy SA beating the host in Rugby yesterday, the Springbok sheer power wearing the mobile Japanese down in the end - probably the best 4 teams in the semi with NZ unfortunately the huge favourites after the weekend performance as that was not just a win, it was a crushing!
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Glad you’re enjoying, I’ve never driven another mk7 apart from a day with a GTD which I found very disappointing. Also love the TCR though. I still like the style of a well specced R. I commented to someone on Saturday that I still hadn’t seen another TCR out in the wild, five minutes later I happened to look out of the window and one drove past, also a 5 door, pure grey with reifnitz ha :laugh:
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Made note of this in another thread but found the MK 7.5 lift of the High Beam Assist a nice piece of tech, worked seamlessly as came home late on a dark rat run that usually on and off the high beam - The LED lights seem much brighter than the MK 7 xenon, on the high beam, the arc of light made like you travelling into bright tunnel and when a car came towards you could see the drivers side dim and no flash at all from the oncoming car.
I know what you mean. The lights on the TCR are very good. The high beam assist works well but I don't think it was as sharp as the equivalent I had on the Macan GTS which I've always rated as the gold standard. They're probably all from the same parts bin!
Do you have sign recognition? I find it hangs on to the last sign it has seen and is frequently wrong. The Macan (only other car I've ever had with it) used to use a blend of GPS and camera to ensure it was always accurate. I've turned it off as it annoys me as to how inaccurate it is.
Still sticking to feeling that the TCR feels R quick but more agile, as its just feels lighter into the turns, opposed to the rock solid on rails sweep around the bend R gave. - Its hard to put in words really but you feel the drop in weight.
I had similar when I got the CSS, it took me a little while to build confidence in the car as I didn't feel it should be able to do what I subsequently found it to be capable of. Keep pushing and it keeps gripping. The TCR has a similar agility to the CSS although the steering isn't as direct and the exhaust is very different.
Bet you a happy SA beating the host in Rugby yesterday, the Springbok sheer power wearing the mobile Japanese down in the end - probably the best 4 teams in the semi with NZ unfortunately the huge favourites after the weekend performance as that was not just a win, it was a crushing!
I'm Zimbabwean but I have an SA passport as well as a British one and I am of Scottish ancestry so I have a choice of sides I can legitimately pick. I remember 1995 when Japan were absolutely destroyed by New Zealand (I was there for several games) and to see how they've come on is a huge credit to the team. I was in truth rooting for them on Saturday. I have huge respect for Michael Leitch and would have loved to have seen Japan score, they absolutely deserved a try. Bryan Habana did say that it was SA vs World when he was in the commentary box and he was right. I can't see New Zealand not winning this, they are formidable but when haven't they been a force? I take it you're an England supporter?
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Made note of this in another thread but found the MK 7.5 lift of the High Beam Assist a nice piece of tech, worked seamlessly as came home late on a dark rat run that usually on and off the high beam - The LED lights seem much brighter than the MK 7 xenon, on the high beam, the arc of light made like you travelling into bright tunnel and when a car came towards you could see the drivers side dim and no flash at all from the oncoming car.
I know what you mean. The lights on the TCR are very good. The high beam assist works well but I don't think it was as sharp as the equivalent I had on the Macan GTS which I've always rated as the gold standard. They're probably all from the same parts bin!
Do you have sign recognition? I find it hangs on to the last sign it has seen and is frequently wrong. The Macan (only other car I've ever had with it) used to use a blend of GPS and camera to ensure it was always accurate. I've turned it off as it annoys me as to how inaccurate it is.
Still sticking to feeling that the TCR feels R quick but more agile, as its just feels lighter into the turns, opposed to the rock solid on rails sweep around the bend R gave. - Its hard to put in words really but you feel the drop in weight.
I had similar when I got the CSS, it took me a little while to build confidence in the car as I didn't feel it should be able to do what I subsequently found it to be capable of. Keep pushing and it keeps gripping. The TCR has a similar agility to the CSS although the steering isn't as direct and the exhaust is very different.
Bet you a happy SA beating the host in Rugby yesterday, the Springbok sheer power wearing the mobile Japanese down in the end - probably the best 4 teams in the semi with NZ unfortunately the huge favourites after the weekend performance as that was not just a win, it was a crushing!
I'm Zimbabwean but I have an SA passport as well as a British one and I am of Scottish ancestry so I have a choice of sides I can legitimately pick. I remember 1995 when Japan were absolutely destroyed by New Zealand (I was there for several games) and to see how they've come on is a huge credit to the team. I was in truth rooting for them on Saturday. I have huge respect for Michael Leitch and would have loved to have seen Japan score, they absolutely deserved a try. Bryan Habana did say that it was SA vs World when he was in the commentary box and he was right. I can't see New Zealand not winning this, they are formidable but when haven't they been a force? I take it you're an England supporter?
Noticed the same on the sign recognition. If its in a good flow of signs that even vary reasonable regularly it seems to behave fine but it seems if either condensed or more sporadic it gets a little out of synch until it sees the next clear signage - The mix of GPS would resolve that on an up to date map - I did experiment with the warning but that had to be switched off.
Think it will still be useful when off my own patch as its easy to lose track of limits - One place would put it on and maybe with the limit warning is Bournemouth and Poole, as its the Camera state down there, and may as well as been driving a Smart Car as crawled from one camera to the next.
But its a useful guide if unsure to glance to.
The R main advantage is the AWD and you really could push a bend with assurance and so be interesting to see how the VAQ on these GTI compares, as not really done that with any exuberance - There is one sweeping exit off junction 12 of M1 that did half push and it just pulled around with ease - given driving the same roads as the R there is going to be plenty of comparable experiences to come.
Yes, England Rugby fan, but sports fan in general really as like my football, cricket and NFL maybe more.
The Michael Leitch story is an amazing one, you have to admire the man, and like you said do not think anyone in the world outside of SA were not willing Japan to win, and then at least score a try their open play deserved. But SA not a top Rugby Nation for no reason and that strength and resilience eventually broke the Japan effort - Home nation doing well always adds to the event and kept interest bubbling, but its now the business end of the tournament
Out of the 4 remaining teams, 3 of them could beat 3 of the others on their day, where as the AB can beat all 4 and huge favourites after that dismantling of the Irish. England are good, arguably best of the rest, but AB will have to have drop a level and England be at best to win through - Its England's Final
Bit like you on allegiance as 1/4 Welsh as my Grandmother from Wales and my daughter is living in NZ with her Kiwi fella and so me and him are having a little bit of banter at the moment though his confidence is real, mine is more bravado :grin:
Have seen AB live a couple of times in recent years, once when England beat them, and second when daughter and NZ boyfriend were over and we went to the AB vs Barbarians game
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Herstman, apologies for jumping in, I kind of recall AGB thinking around Plaid for the dog boot basket and came across this https://www.warmsbach.de/shop/bezugsstoffe/vw-stoffe/bezugsstoff-golf-7-gti-tcr/
Have received 7 mtrs worth which has been sewn around £40.00 of JYSK cushions. £80.00 of seamstress time, total outlay I consider money well spent.
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Brief update:
Completed 450 miles over last 2 days where TCR had to earn its keep.
Just like the R, the TCR turned itself into the consummate motorway cruiser with the DCC making for a comfortable ride and the engine effortlessly keeping the constant speeds - Basically crunched the miles as every MK 7 before it, effortlessly.
Took full contingent of work colleagues from office to hotel with luggage, with plenty of comments to how nice it was, but functionally it did its Golfs day to day work in usual brilliant way,
Given the engine is still in its early days, the 42 MPG averaged was pretty pleasing given you have to account for the B roads driven to access the Motorway and the crawl into Manchester Town Centre once off the Motorway. You suspect that economy will improve, and must be down to the MK 7.5 7th gear given the 290 BHP is pretty close to the MK 7 R 300 BHP - Best got in the R was 38 MPG on similar run.
Clocked 900 miles now, close to the 1000 before let the reins off some more, but now getting at one with the TCR, its definitely feels livelier and more responsive, the steering a little more sharper - Imagine this is simply down to it being FWD and lighter, but the increased engagement is seemingly not figment of the imagination as TCR keeps catching me out.
So no real revelations, just another post that confirms when you are not picking at the performance of these cars in this sector head to head, there is only one car you really want to be driving when doing the day to day grunt which is a much a reason went into my 7th year of MK 7 series ownership
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Good to hear you are happy with the TCR as I expected at this time of the year you might be missing that AWD traction.
The TCR is on my list of potentials but not sure it's different enough as had a 7.5 GTI for nearly a year prior to my current one.
And I fancy scratching the 'R' itch... But there are also other things on my radar.
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Not sure if its the shorter bonnet compared to my previous m135i or the slightly lowered suspension (Reifnitz & DCC) but I find myself holding my breath going up and down sharp inclines like multi story car parks ramps etc thinking's its going to catch the front splitter...
Does the TCR give that impression over the previous golfs people have had?
At the end of the day its a golf, so wouldn't expect it to catch. Probably just me :)
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Not sure if its the shorter bonnet compared to my previous m135i or the slightly lowered suspension (Reifnitz & DCC) but I find myself holding my breath going up and down sharp inclines like multi story car parks ramps etc thinking's its going to catch the front splitter...
Does the TCR give that impression over the previous golfs people have had?
At the end of the day its a golf, so wouldn't expect it to catch. Probably just me :)
Think maybe you as personally not driving any different from the R in terms of spatial awareness - was in a pretty tight NCP car park this week overnight and not till read this did give thought to might be an issue, just drove in and out without much thought to.
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Good to hear you are happy with the TCR as I expected at this time of the year you might be missing that AWD traction.
The TCR is on my list of potentials but not sure it's different enough as had a 7.5 GTI for nearly a year prior to my current one.
And I fancy scratching the 'R' itch... But there are also other things on my radar.
Not missed the AWD at all yet, though mainly think to fact still under the 1000 miles and not really booted it when wet, so sure that day will come when the AWD traction will have been appreciated., just not yet.
Outside of that the GTI is rock solid as imagine you and most GTI owners will testify,
If I was driving a GTI now I would 100% be going for an R, or maybe one of the other AWD in the 300 BHP if fancied a real change as my enthusiasm is coming from the GTI being very new to me, and its satisfied a heritage itch also, where as pretty sure you would get the same enthusiasm moving to an R - The TCR with all the 7.5 lifts is giving me differentiation between cars, and another flavour of great so on my needs its hit the sweet spot - where as you already in a 7.5 you might appreciate the R more as change from the GTI
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Good to hear you are happy with the TCR as I expected at this time of the year you might be missing that AWD traction.
The TCR is on my list of potentials but not sure it's different enough as had a 7.5 GTI for nearly a year prior to my current one.
And I fancy scratching the 'R' itch... But there are also other things on my radar.
Not missed the AWD at all yet, though mainly think to fact still under the 1000 miles and not really booted it when wet, so sure that day will come when the AWD traction will have been appreciated., just not yet.
Outside of that the GTI is rock solid as imagine you and most GTI owners will testify,
If I was driving a GTI now I would 100% be going for an R, or maybe one of the other AWD in the 300 BHP if fancied a real change as my enthusiasm is coming from the GTI being very new to me, and its satisfied a heritage itch also, where as pretty sure you would get the same enthusiasm moving to an R - The TCR with all the 7.5 lifts is giving me differentiation between cars, and another flavour of great so on my needs its hit the sweet spot - where as you already in a 7.5 you might appreciate the R more as change from the GTI
That’s what swung me to the R this time. I’d owned a Mk7 pp gti before the S3 so felt more like a new car rather than another gti, even though I absolutely love them.
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Good to hear you are happy with the TCR as I expected at this time of the year you might be missing that AWD traction.
The TCR is on my list of potentials but not sure it's different enough as had a 7.5 GTI for nearly a year prior to my current one.
And I fancy scratching the 'R' itch... But there are also other things on my radar.
Not missed the AWD at all yet, though mainly think to fact still under the 1000 miles and not really booted it when wet, so sure that day will come when the AWD traction will have been appreciated., just not yet.
Outside of that the GTI is rock solid as imagine you and most GTI owners will testify,
If I was driving a GTI now I would 100% be going for an R, or maybe one of the other AWD in the 300 BHP if fancied a real change as my enthusiasm is coming from the GTI being very new to me, and its satisfied a heritage itch also, where as pretty sure you would get the same enthusiasm moving to an R - The TCR with all the 7.5 lifts is giving me differentiation between cars, and another flavour of great so on my needs its hit the sweet spot - where as you already in a 7.5 you might appreciate the R more as change from the GTI
That’s what swung me to the R this time. I’d owned a Mk7 pp gti before the S3 so felt more like a new car rather than another gti, even though I absolutely love them.
Any forum would not exist if discussion did not come at a more granular level, as everyone picks at the finite details of the differences
But all these cars, the S3, the R, GTI and even the GTD are great cars in their own right, they just each give you a little something different on that more detailed level of discussion.
My enthusiasm for the TCR is definitely down to scratching the GTI heritage itch and with this run out model being able to retain the pace of the R that grew so used to.
Have about 2.5 years to make my next decision, but think its going to be the most difficult to date of what direction to take given not really liking what see of where cars going
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Good to hear you are happy with the TCR as I expected at this time of the year you might be missing that AWD traction.
The TCR is on my list of potentials but not sure it's different enough as had a 7.5 GTI for nearly a year prior to my current one.
And I fancy scratching the 'R' itch... But there are also other things on my radar.
Not missed the AWD at all yet, though mainly think to fact still under the 1000 miles and not really booted it when wet, so sure that day will come when the AWD traction will have been appreciated., just not yet.
Outside of that the GTI is rock solid as imagine you and most GTI owners will testify,
If I was driving a GTI now I would 100% be going for an R, or maybe one of the other AWD in the 300 BHP if fancied a real change as my enthusiasm is coming from the GTI being very new to me, and its satisfied a heritage itch also, where as pretty sure you would get the same enthusiasm moving to an R - The TCR with all the 7.5 lifts is giving me differentiation between cars, and another flavour of great so on my needs its hit the sweet spot - where as you already in a 7.5 you might appreciate the R more as change from the GTI
Yes, thinking a TCR would feel similar but a bit more than what I have but an R would be quite different. Never driven an R so need to grab a drive in one.
Drove a 993 C4S yesterday, that was an experience. A proper howl above 5k. We had a little blip after and from about 50 mine was gaining on the Porker up to one hundred.
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93 C4S is literally the worst performing 993, it has the wider Turbo body and running gear (brakes, suspension) but the engine of the base Carrera. Nice to look at, not so good to drive! :)
The varioram inlet effect comes in at 4250, it does make a difference when it works correctly.
A Golf R would leave it in most situations, although to mind it does not have the character of the old porker.
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93 C4S is literally the worst performing 993, it has the wider Turbo body and running gear (brakes, suspension) but the engine of the base Carrera. Nice to look at, not so good to drive! :)
The varioram inlet effect comes in at 4250, it does make a difference when it works correctly.
A Golf R would leave it in most situations, although to mind it does not have the character of the old porker.
Some say it's one of the best as it's the last of the 993's! Certainly is a beauty to look at. Felt pretty quick but it's not a get in and thrash sort of a car as it's 22 years old. Brakes needed a real shove compared to the GTI.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BQG0xgXF/93410-A11-9304-4565-8-F79-92-D42332620-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K4Qwbt7c)
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Hertsman, totally understand what you mean about the next car. Tbh I’m at the point where I think I’m done with new cars. Really don’t like the direction the industry is going in. I’ll probably dip into the used market next time and maybe buy a classic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAJ-EiHHzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAJ-EiHHzU)
Much is not fact its subjectivity but still a good watch :)
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The direction cars are going is.... going.
Automated travel systems are coming, "driving" is going to be a cute heritage thing like a steam railway or horse riding.
ICE will be gone in 15-20 years for sure, VW have said the Mk8 is the last Golf... so that's 10 years from now at the most.
Enjoy it while you can, but I expect I'll be gone by then anyway.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAJ-EiHHzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAJ-EiHHzU)
Much is not fact its subjectivity but still a good watch :)
Very subjective, but most of the points seem pretty valid. Think most are also true for the normal GTI vs an R but guess the TCR is so close to the R price-wise that comparisons are more likely.
Surprised there was no plug for the car at the end considering it's for sale!
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Much is not fact its subjectivity but still a good watch :)
I think the difference between the cars comes down to one simple thing - traction and the weight penalty of having that traction. Beyond that is subjectivity, personal taste and nuance based on use.
The TCR is incredibly quiet to me in the post WLTP world so when reviews go on about the exhaust sound, I'm slightly bemused. Probably harder to pick up the difference on a 4-cylinder Golf which is more sociable to start and my comparison is a CSS which is probably the least social Golf from factory in this respect but still pretty quiet.
A friend of mine picked up his 718 GT4 and sent me several videos that were properly recorded with an external directional mike and dead cat. It sounds like it has been neutered compared to the 3.8 in the previous generation and he works in sound engineering so I trust that he has faithfully reproduced the sound. It's like listening to a detailed piece of music through really tinny speakers, it sounds like it can't reproduce the full spectrum of sound.
Maybe in 20 years time we'll be on here swapping sound files for our actuators? :laugh:
Considerable restraint in not plugging the car for sale - I thought that too. :smiley:
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Much is not fact its subjectivity but still a good watch :)
I think the difference between the cars comes down to one simple thing - traction and the weight penalty of having that traction. Beyond that is subjectivity, personal taste and nuance based on use.
The TCR is incredibly quiet to me in the post WLTP world so when reviews go on about the exhaust sound, I'm slightly bemused. Probably harder to pick up the difference on a 4-cylinder Golf which is more sociable to start and my comparison is a CSS which is probably the least social Golf from factory in this respect but still pretty quiet.
A friend of mine picked up his 718 GT4 and sent me several videos that were properly recorded with an external directional mike and dead cat. It sounds like it has been neutered compared to the 3.8 in the previous generation and he works in sound engineering so I trust that he has faithfully reproduced the sound. It's like listening to a detailed piece of music through really tinny speakers, it sounds like it can't reproduce the full spectrum of sound.
Maybe in 20 years time we'll be on here swapping sound files for our actuators? :laugh:
Considerable restraint in not plugging the car for sale - I thought that too. :smiley:
Yes, the Golf in all its variants would never be classed as loud. Perhaps because it's a Golf.
Spent some time as a passenger in the 981 GT4 but yet to hear a new GT4. I don't think existing owners should be worried about swapping, most reviews suggest it has been muted. Which is a shame but it's the way we are heading. A mate tried an M2 Comp some time ago and said that very muted, despite the sales guy telling him it's very loud. Loud, yes compared to a 218i.
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Another great video from Andrew Chapple/Volkswizard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAJ-EiHHzU
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Another great video from Andrew Chapple/Volkswizard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAJ-EiHHzU
I think Hertsman posted that about 10 minutes after it went live on the Internet. I turned up and was going to post the same link and was like 'damn, too slow!' :grin:
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Much is not fact its subjectivity but still a good watch :)
I think the difference between the cars comes down to one simple thing - traction and the weight penalty of having that traction. Beyond that is subjectivity, personal taste and nuance based on use.
The TCR is incredibly quiet to me in the post WLTP world so when reviews go on about the exhaust sound, I'm slightly bemused. Probably harder to pick up the difference on a 4-cylinder Golf which is more sociable to start and my comparison is a CSS which is probably the least social Golf from factory in this respect but still pretty quiet.
A friend of mine picked up his 718 GT4 and sent me several videos that were properly recorded with an external directional mike and dead cat. It sounds like it has been neutered compared to the 3.8 in the previous generation and he works in sound engineering so I trust that he has faithfully reproduced the sound. It's like listening to a detailed piece of music through really tinny speakers, it sounds like it can't reproduce the full spectrum of sound.
Maybe in 20 years time we'll be on here swapping sound files for our actuators? :laugh:
Considerable restraint in not plugging the car for sale - I thought that too. :smiley:
Yes, the Golf in all its variants would never be classed as loud. Perhaps because it's a Golf.
Spent some time as a passenger in the 981 GT4 but yet to hear a new GT4. I don't think existing owners should be worried about swapping, most reviews suggest it has been muted. Which is a shame but it's the way we are heading. A mate tried an M2 Comp some time ago and said that very muted, despite the sales guy telling him it's very loud. Loud, yes compared to a 218i.
Think you're right. The classless image would be corrupted if they went too far although I think it's the most off the leash the engineers have ever been allowed on the CS/CSS. Might be the last hurrah for ICE engineers.
I had an allocation for the 718 GT4 which I moved to Spyder when they were unveiled but after the reviews and comments on engine sound, I was unconvinced. Dealer rang me a month ago to get spec lock down and deposits and I cancelled. He asked if I was sure and I said that I was. He commented that a couple of other customers like me had said similar things about the engine sound. He then tried to sell me a GT3 Touring at silly overs. Only car I am tempted by but not by the price.
Neighbour up the road, his son has an M2 Comp. Truly awful colour choice (looks like he has wrapped it) but he got it late summer so assume it was pre WLTP. Sounds good although it's probably not the stock exhaust.
Think my days of buying cars are done excepting the ID3 Golf cart if the range is decent.
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The direction cars are going is.... going.
Automated travel systems are coming, "driving" is going to be a cute heritage thing like a steam railway or horse riding.
ICE will be gone in 15-20 years for sure, VW have said the Mk8 is the last Golf... so that's 10 years from now at the most.
Enjoy it while you can, but I expect I'll be gone by then anyway.
Yup. Maybe even 10 years for ICE.
Had a go in a mate's Tesla model 3 recently. Neck snapping pace, no fuel costs, virtually no maintenance ( or so he tells me) and no complaints from extinction rebellion.
Very hard to see how ICE can survive against that, other than purely for recreation.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAJ-EiHHzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAJ-EiHHzU)
Much is not fact its subjectivity but still a good watch :)
it is subjective, of course- but he's a don- if he says the TCR's a better car, that's good enough for me!
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The direction cars are going is.... going.
Automated travel systems are coming, "driving" is going to be a cute heritage thing like a steam railway or horse riding.
ICE will be gone in 15-20 years for sure, VW have said the Mk8 is the last Golf... so that's 10 years from now at the most.
Enjoy it while you can, but I expect I'll be gone by then anyway.
Yup. Maybe even 10 years for ICE.
Had a go in a mate's Tesla model 3 recently. Neck snapping pace, no fuel costs, virtually no maintenance ( or so he tells me) and no complaints from extinction rebellion.
Very hard to see how ICE can survive against that, other than purely for recreation.
does the magic Tesla run on fresh air or sunlight? No fuel costs!?
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The direction cars are going is.... going.
Automated travel systems are coming, "driving" is going to be a cute heritage thing like a steam railway or horse riding.
ICE will be gone in 15-20 years for sure, VW have said the Mk8 is the last Golf... so that's 10 years from now at the most.
Enjoy it while you can, but I expect I'll be gone by then anyway.
Yup. Maybe even 10 years for ICE.
Had a go in a mate's Tesla model 3 recently. Neck snapping pace, no fuel costs, virtually no maintenance ( or so he tells me) and no complaints from extinction rebellion.
Very hard to see how ICE can survive against that, other than purely for recreation.
does the magic Tesla run on fresh air or sunlight? No fuel costs!?
I’d like to know where I can get some of that free electricity :grin:.
There’s also a chance that the electricity used to recharge the Tesla’s batteries has been generated by a fossil fuelled powered power station.
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The direction cars are going is.... going.
Automated travel systems are coming, "driving" is going to be a cute heritage thing like a steam railway or horse riding.
ICE will be gone in 15-20 years for sure, VW have said the Mk8 is the last Golf... so that's 10 years from now at the most.
Enjoy it while you can, but I expect I'll be gone by then anyway.
Yup. Maybe even 10 years for ICE.
Had a go in a mate's Tesla model 3 recently. Neck snapping pace, no fuel costs, virtually no maintenance ( or so he tells me) and no complaints from extinction rebellion.
Very hard to see how ICE can survive against that, other than purely for recreation.
does the magic Tesla run on fresh air or sunlight? No fuel costs!?
Depends whether you define electricity as fuel. It’s not free, but a hell of a lot cheaper than shell v power.
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https://youtu.be/IP8W7DnVKkM (https://youtu.be/IP8W7DnVKkM)
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https://youtu.be/IP8W7DnVKkM (https://youtu.be/IP8W7DnVKkM)
Not quite Carwow! :grin:
They need to re-do the one from last year with the CCS and GTI Performance with the TCR and stick a DSG R in for comparison. CSS might be last though :shocked:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAJ-EiHHzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAJ-EiHHzU)
Much is not fact its subjectivity but still a good watch :)
Agree it's a good watch, and much of it is subjective. I'm being shallow but i'd have Lapiz blue over any of the TCR colours, exclusive or not :cool:
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A shame they didn’t do the run without the cars in Launch Mode, might have tightened the gap a little and more likely representative of real world conditions where your average owner won’t be using LC at every opportunity.
The Andrew Chapple vid was quite good. I met him a few times many years ago and he’s an enthusiast foremost and dealer second. I think having the car to sell was just an excuse for him to do a vid as opposed to an out and out advert. His TCR vs CS vid probably hindered him selling his CS for example!
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https://youtu.be/IP8W7DnVKkM (https://youtu.be/IP8W7DnVKkM)
Not quite Carwow! :grin:
They need to re-do the one from last year with the CCS and GTI Performance with the TCR and stick a DSG R in for comparison. CSS might be last though :shocked:
only in a drag race only because of dsg , on track the CSS will win easy !
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https://youtu.be/IP8W7DnVKkM (https://youtu.be/IP8W7DnVKkM)
Not quite Carwow! :grin:
They need to re-do the one from last year with the CCS and GTI Performance with the TCR and stick a DSG R in for comparison. CSS might be last though :shocked:
only in a drag race only because of dsg , on track the CSS will win easy !
Congrats.