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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Rolfe on 03 August 2009, 22:16
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I've driven manual gearshifts all my life. I've never driven any automatic long enough to get used to it. I've ordered the DSG with the Mk VI.
Anybody else made a similar transiiton? How easy is it to get used to?
Rolfe.
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I've driven manual gearshifts all my life. I've never driven any automatic long enough to get used to it. I've ordered the DSG with the Mk VI.
Anybody else made a similar transiiton? How easy is it to get used to?
Rolfe.
Why are you spending around £1500 on something you need to get used to ? That's crazy Rolfe.
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£1305 list price actually, and remember the discount I got.
Why are you buying an iPod that you need to learn how to use, when you're already famiiar with your CD Walkman?
Rolfe.
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I have also driven manuals all my life until 2 years ago when I made a switch to an automatic. But now I am back with a manual again. IMO, its easier to switch from manual to an automatic/dsg than a person who is used to automatics and then wishes to switch to manual.
So Rolfe, do not worry, it will be convenient and effortless. You will also suddenly find yourself with more time to think and ponder life's questions while driving...
HM
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yeah, left foot and left hand become redundant, end up thinner and will waste away and fall off...
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Well, when I was test driving the DSG, as I was turning into a stream of traffic and would normally have changed up, my left foot automatically stamped down - on the brake! It was a very impressive test of the car's emergency stop, and fortunately no harm was done. I kind of hope I'll get out of that habit relatively soon though.... :rolleyes:
Rolfe.
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My mother had that problem when she switched to an automatic... I nearly lost my lunch, heart, stomach and whatever else that was not fixed to the car.
HM
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£1305 list price actually, and remember the discount I got.
Why are you buying an iPod that you need to learn how to use, when you're already famiiar with your CD Walkman?
Rolfe.
What a crazy comparison to make, thing is, if you want a personal music system like an ipod you need to buy one. You have no choice of course unless you want to walk about with the walkman and 50 cd's be my guest. You don't need to buy DSG, you already have the skills to drive it manually. Also an ipod is not £1305 minus discount.
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racing car drivers can drive manual as well...so why did they go paddles?
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racing car drivers can drive manual as well...so why did they go paddles?
Its quicker and more responsive than using the clutch and traditional shifting but it was a lot more expensive too. At present though, with greater technology developments being made cheaper, have allowed us mere mortals who are budget conscious to acquire affordable 'racing' gear boxes such as the DSG to be in our day to day cars. But I think we cannot compare ourselves to those who race professionally, their job is to drive cars whether auto or manual daily. We commoners, prolly use the same car for years, so changing the method of driving does have an impact... :tongue:
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I wasn't comparing, I was making the point that just because we can do something doesn't mean we shouldn't try it a different way
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Rolfe, don't worry: the DSG box is a bit like electric windows, or powers steering. Yes, you can live without them, but why the hell would you want to? Let machines do as much work as possible :)
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I cant wait to get my hands on my DSG car next week! I dont think it will ever really see Drive mode though, i will be on the paddles all the way!!!
The first time i tried a DSG box was with the Scirocco and that took a few minutes to get used to it but by the end of the test drive i decided that i want DSG, just not a Scirocco. Then when i took the GTI out it was great and the DSG was a piece of cake!!! So bought both!!
There are a couple of good videos below explaining all the features of the DSG box which are plentiful! I watched them both the morning i was off for a test drive of the GTI so i was all clued up and could give it a proper test drive.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffdVgjIIKA8
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WY_-RsJd2U
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Rolfe, don't worry: the DSG box is a bit like electric windows, or powers steering. Yes, you can live without them, but why the hell would you want to? Let machines do as much work as possible :)
That was my thought. Yes, I can live without an iPod, and I know it takes time to learn to use it to its fullest potential. But why the hell would I want to, when it can do all that tedious disc-changing work for me?
And as far as the price is concerned, recall, Kev, that I changed my mind about the leather seats. I had originally priced the car with the leather, but decided against it. So in that sense, I'm still £370 ahead of the game. If you like, I decided I'd rather have the iPod than the really cool pair of trainers, and hey, the iPod was actually cheaper!
I'm just wondering how long it'll take me to get used to that fiddly little wheel bit and stop pressing the wrong side of it.
Rolfe.
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Sorry rolfe, now I get it, your actually just being a girl. :grin:
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Spent 3 weeks in a DSG and couldnt wait to get out of it :lipsrsealed:
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Sorry rolfe, now I get it, your actually just being a girl. :grin:
Correct. Ain't biology wonderful! :cool:
Spent 3 weeks in a DSG and couldnt wait to get out of it :lipsrsealed:
:sad: :sad:
Rolfe.
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Spent 3 weeks in a DSG and couldnt wait to get out of it :lipsrsealed:
couldn't agree more, i personally don't feel the need for autos, takes all the fun out of driving. nothing better than dropping down a gear or two manually in order to get some additional overtaking speed!! makes you feel like you are actually driving the car as compared to the car doing all the thinking for you. autos are for lazy drivers!! :grin:
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I wouldnt worry about the dsg tbh Rolfe. Im sure you will love it once you get used to it, as it is a great bit of kit. It just detaches you from some of the driving experience but has its merits no doubt! :smiley:
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For me, I'd rather I drive my own car, I dont want some clever little bit of kit to decide when I change gear. Where's the feeling of being in control ? Its stripped away from you.
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I love driving my manual but what does p--s me off somewhat is this little indicator in the top right hand corner of the highline computer thingy that tells me when to change gear. I don't like being told what to do and when by a little machine.
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Yes indeed, I'm a lazy driver. :smiley:
I quite fancy the car doing my thinking for me, so that when I decide to overtake I don't have to think about how many gears to drop down, or (what usually happens) just press on in 6th and fondly imagine the engine will pull away anyway (which to be fair it usually does).
I was just wondering how long it takes before your left foot realises it's not really needed for this job any more.
Rolfe.
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About 10 minutes mate :wink:
I took ten minutes before i relaxed into DSG. Love it!
You wanna steer clear of the manuals anyway, already having problems
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=124742.0
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About 10 minutes mate :wink:
I took ten minutes before i relaxed into DSG. Love it!
You wanna steer clear of the manuals anyway, already having problems
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=124742.0
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Well diagnosed Jules!! didnt realise this issue was related to the manual gear box :tongue: :laugh:
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But I like that indicator... I know sometimes its irritating that its asking you to shift upwards when you just shifted to 1st gear at the traffic lights... well, ok I'll admit it, I like this new gadget... hi hi hi... Anyways, when I feel like it, I just throttle the car till I hear the growl and refuse to change, just so you can annoy the car... just like when the missus asks you to do something and you just continue doing what you want... ha ha ha
HM
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I was just wondering how long it takes before your left foot realises it's not really needed for this job any more.
One tip I would give you is to fold your left leg under the seat and/or your right leg, then you won't be tempted to press the non-existant clutch pedal. The DSG is actually not the best auto 'box I have driven, despite what the press say, but it's a lot faster and more 'intelligent' 99% of the time than us poor humans, I am sure you won't regret it.
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.....The DSG is actually not the best auto 'box I have driven, despite what the press say....
Probably because it isnt an auto :wink:
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I love driving my manual but what does p--s me off somewhat is this little indicator in the top right hand corner of the highline computer thingy that tells me when to change gear. I don't like being told what to do and when by a little machine.
This is maybe not such a great idea on a 'beautiful' Golf GTI, but I have the same ultra-annoying indicator on my Ford Transit van I use for business and I solved the issue by sticking a 1cm square bit of black electrical tape over it. Not the most elegant solution in the world, but it's cheap and simple and you can get away with it in a van...
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I love driving my manual but what does p--s me off somewhat is this little indicator in the top right hand corner of the highline computer thingy that tells me when to change gear. I don't like being told what to do and when by a little machine.
This is maybe not such a great idea on a 'beautiful' Golf GTI, but I have the same ultra-annoying indicator on my Ford Transit van I use for business and I solved the issue by sticking a 1cm square bit of black electrical tape over it. Not the most elegant solution in the world, but it's cheap and simple and you can get away with it in a van...
ha ha ha our resident McGyver...;)
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Well they did say they looked at the mk1 GTI's for ideas :grin: Which is probably why this light is there as it is there on 1.8 GTI Mk1s :grin:
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I love driving my manual but what does p--s me off somewhat is this little indicator in the top right hand corner of the highline computer thingy that tells me when to change gear. I don't like being told what to do and when by a little machine.
Yes, maybe that does tell you, but a DSG will force you and do it for you. Slight difference.
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Not in manual it wont, only changes in 'S' at the optimum revs anyway
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Not in manual it wont, only changes in 'S' at the optimum revs anyway
But you will have to let it know that you want to be in control :laugh:
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Well I really hope the DSG people enjoy their cars, I hope when driving and you wanna see what your car can do that you dont mind the DSG changing up before you hit the red line, or deciding what gear you need to be in when in the middle of something like going round a corner. I can almost guarantee that when it changes down you'll want to change back up and when you want to keep going it will change up for you too, I'll decide when to change gear, i'm not an idiot. Also make sure you enjoy the teleconference your car has with VW as you put the foot down coming out of a roundabout for example while it decides what gear you should be in. Or even better still, wait till your driving along at 100 on a straight, then when approaching a corner yout still in high revs in 3rd, instead of you holding 3rd to come out of the corner the DSG changes you up to 4th. Eh, I want to control my car, I dont want that to control my experience, Bleh :sick: No thanks, I'll drive my own car thats what I took lessons for. For those that dont mind it doing the drive for you, you obviously dont like the drive experience anymore, I'm sure what you should be looking at is not a GTI, I think they are called Taxi's, those things drive you around with the same experience, just don't call the driver by his name, just call him Dreadfully sh!t gearbox, or DSG for short. :grin:
rant over................for now.
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Well I really hope the DSG people enjoy their cars, I hope when driving and you wanna see what your car can do that you dont mind the DSG changing up before you hit the red line, or deciding what gear you need to be in when in the middle of something like going round a corner. I can almost guarantee that when it changes down you'll want to change back up and when you want to keep going it will change up for you too, I'll decide when to change gear, i'm not an idiot. Also make sure you enjoy the teleconference your car has with VW as you put the foot down coming out of a roundabout for example while it decides what gear you should be in. Or even better still, wait till your driving along at 100 on a straight, then when approaching a corner yout still in high revs in 3rd, instead of you holding 3rd to come out of the corner the DSG changes you up to 4th. Eh, I want to control my car, I dont want that to control my experience, Bleh :sick: No thanks, I'll drive my own car thats what I took lessons for. For those that dont mind it doing the drive for you, you obviously dont like the drive experience anymore, I'm sure what you should be looking at is not a GTI, I think they are called Taxi's, those things drive you around with the same experience, just don't call the driver by his name, just call him Dreadfully sh!t gearbox, or DSG for short. :grin:
rant over................for now.
doesn't it have a MANUAL mode? :huh:
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Well I really hope the DSG people enjoy their cars, I hope when driving and you wanna see what your car can do that you dont mind the DSG changing up before you hit the red line, or deciding what gear you need to be in when in the middle of something like going round a corner. I can almost guarantee that when it changes down you'll want to change back up and when you want to keep going it will change up for you too, I'll decide when to change gear, i'm not an idiot. Also make sure you enjoy the teleconference your car has with VW as you put the foot down coming out of a roundabout for example while it decides what gear you should be in. Or even better still, wait till your driving along at 100 on a straight, then when approaching a corner yout still in high revs in 3rd, instead of you holding 3rd to come out of the corner the DSG changes you up to 4th. Eh, I want to control my car, I dont want that to control my experience, Bleh :sick: No thanks, I'll drive my own car thats what I took lessons for. For those that dont mind it doing the drive for you, you obviously dont like the drive experience anymore, I'm sure what you should be looking at is not a GTI, I think they are called Taxi's, those things drive you around with the same experience, just don't call the driver by his name, just call him Dreadfully sh!t gearbox, or DSG for short. :grin:
rant over................for now.
doesn't it have a MANUAL mode? :huh:
yes. but reverts to auto after a while.
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Well I really hope the DSG people enjoy their cars, I hope when driving and you wanna see what your car can do that you dont mind the DSG changing up before you hit the red line, or deciding what gear you need to be in when in the middle of something like going round a corner. I can almost guarantee that when it changes down you'll want to change back up and when you want to keep going it will change up for you too, I'll decide when to change gear, i'm not an idiot. Also make sure you enjoy the teleconference your car has with VW as you put the foot down coming out of a roundabout for example while it decides what gear you should be in. Or even better still, wait till your driving along at 100 on a straight, then when approaching a corner yout still in high revs in 3rd, instead of you holding 3rd to come out of the corner the DSG changes you up to 4th. Eh, I want to control my car, I dont want that to control my experience, Bleh :sick: No thanks, I'll drive my own car thats what I took lessons for. For those that dont mind it doing the drive for you, you obviously dont like the drive experience anymore, I'm sure what you should be looking at is not a GTI, I think they are called Taxi's, those things drive you around with the same experience, just don't call the driver by his name, just call him Dreadfully sh!t gearbox, or DSG for short. :grin:
rant over................for now.
doesn't it have a MANUAL mode? :huh:
yes. but reverts to auto after a while.
how long is that roughly??
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No it doesnt? Does the gear stick pop out of manual then?
R32UK and VWkev, you have just both shown why you need a good month of DSG to fully use and understand it to get the best of an auto and manual. You clearly have no idea of how to use a DSG, i have never faced a single problem you mentioned kev, i knock the stick into manual while in 3rd and it holds it in 3rd, i accelerate and take it up to what ever revs i chose and then change into 4th (quicker than you can)
If you have no idea of DSG (as in you have had it for a short while i.e. under a month) then please refrain from posting as you are just showing you have no clue :wink:
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No it doesnt? Does the gear stick pop out of manual then?
R32UK and VWkev, you have just both shown why you need a good month of DSG to fully use and understand it to get the best of an auto and manual. You clearly have no idea of how to use a DSG, i have never faced a single problem you mentioned kev, i knock the stick into manual while in 3rd and it holds it in 3rd, i accelerate and take it up to what ever revs i chose and then change into 4th (quicker than you can)
If you have no idea of DSG (as in you have had it for a short while i.e. under a month) then please refrain from posting as you are just showing you have no clue :wink:
Ok, let me ask you one question from what I wrote, take it close to redline in any gear, you telling me that the DSG wont automatically change up when you get close ?
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and if you dont change down it wont change down for you?? :rolleyes:
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Ok, let me ask you one question from what I wrote, take it close to redline in any gear, you telling me that the DSG wont automatically change up when you get close ?
In manual no, you will have to go very high!
and if you dont change down it wont change down for you?? :rolleyes:
No. Did you ever even have a DSG?
In manual (gear stick to the left so no override) in 2nd, round a bend, still in second, accelerate and into 3rd.
Im guessing you did this
In D, drop a gear with a paddle into 2nd, round a bend revs rise and it overrides back into auto and changes up into 3rd/4th
or for your example,
In manual (gear stick to the left) coming to a round about in 2nd, hold in second move off still in 2nd and into 3rd.
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This Auto vs manual argument pops up at every other car forum
DSG/PDK/F1/SMG vs Manual
My view is one pick a particular option to suit one needs!
Despite aircon saps power from my car I still want aircon in my car because it is more comfortable in the summer
I pick manual over DSG cause I go to work early and finish late. Traffic jam is not an issue with me!
My hand eye coordination is still good enough for me to drive manual.
I think anyone can drive a golf dsg like a pro but manual will require more skill. That's why if you take an automatic driving test, you can drive a dsg or PDK but you will not be allowed to drive a manual car!
The sad thing is many of us is getting old and turning into Jeremy Clarkson. Like big power car with automatic gearbox. The young one got used to paddleshift with their playstation and think manual are old fashion. There is not enough Stig-like driver out there (Midthirties and got 3 points on his licence) shutting please do not stop producing manual car. That's why the new ferrari f450 will not even offer a manual option! VERY SAD!
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at the end of the day, it takes more skill to drive a manual because you actually have to drive the car and think about what you're doing. i'm sure the dsg is excellent. but its for lazy drivers. that's just my opinion. if i was a granny or a women who only drives to tescos and back the dsg would be perfect. but i'm not. i like to drive. so i drive a manual! :wink:
good luck to all you dsg owners though, its an excellent bit of kit.
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What are you on about :rolleyes:
It has manual! You have to think about each gear, which revs etc etc
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If you have no idea of DSG (as in you have had it for a short while i.e. under a month) then please refrain from posting as you are just showing you have no clue :wink:
My sentiments exactly. An awful lot of ignorance of DSG and how it works being shown here by the 1 or 2 usual suspects who appear to be on a life-long crusade against DSG. If you don't know what you're talking about then STFU! It's getting boring reading the same diatribe against DSG from the same posters (who clearly don't know what they're talking about) every time the topic is raised.
All this crap about 'but it will change up at redline' therefore you lose some control of your car is total rubbish and a non-argument. In a manual you'll hit the rev limiter just above redline and you'll either have to change up yourself or slow down. The DSG changes up just above the redline for the exact same reason why the manual has a rev limiter - to protect the engine from a crap driver who is going to damage it. Equally, the 'ah, but it also changes down on you in manual' argument - yes it does but only to prevent the engine from stalling! Is that not a good thing? :rolleyes:
If you operate the engine in the normal operating rpm range, i.e from idle to redline, in the DSG manual mode - the car WILL NOT CHANGE GEAR UNLESS YOU TELL IT TO.
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This sort of thread has been done a thousand times in the MK5 section.
DSG is unique to each person, some like it, some dont. Some swear by it and other cant stand it. For me manual wins. Id rather use the £1300 on the car (remap, decent tyres etc etc etc).
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I agree with AlanD... to each his own preference.
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All this crap about 'but it will change up at redline' therefore you lose some control of your car is total rubbish and a non-argument. In a manual you'll hit the rev limiter just above redline and you'll either have to change up yourself or slow down. The DSG changes up just above the redline for the exact same reason why the manual has a rev limiter - to protect the engine from a crap driver who is going to damage it.
Spot on. People REALLY shouldn't be taking their car to redline. Not only is it not doign your engine any good, but maximum power is achieved BEFORE the redline, there is no reason for getting to the redline, unless your a sh!te driver lol
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This sort of thread has been done a thousand times in the MK5 section.
DSG is unique to each person, some like it, some dont. Some swear by it and other cant stand it. For me manual wins. Id rather use the £1300 on the car (remap, decent tyres etc etc etc).
Well, the reason the thread was started was to get some input from people who have actually made the move from manual to DSG, to get some idea of what problems might be encountered by someone making the change for the first time, and maybe even some idea of the good or bad points encountered by people used to manual transmissions who are now actually driving DSGs.
If Kev (or the other nay-sayers) haven't ever driven a DSG car on a longterm basis, then I don't think the diatribles are really on topic. I'd like to know how the thing actually performs, not how people absolutely dead set against it imagine it performs.
I doubt if I've ever red-lined my car in its entire 11+ years of life. My main fault is being too lazy to change down, either when slowing down, or when making a sudden decision to overtake. So I think the DSG will be good for me. And I decided to buy it instead of the leather seats, because I liked the tartan.
I'd like to know, from the perspective of someone used to manual transmissions, how the DSG actually is to live with in different driving situations. I imagine it's a boon in slow, heavy urban traffic. However, how is it as compared to a manual on twisty country roads? On hills? When overtaking? Do you often find yourself flipping it into manual, and if so when, or do you find you leave it in automatic most of the time? What's the "sport" setting like in comparison to the ordinary "drive" setting?
Even, are you thrilled that you spent the money now that you've lived with it for a while, or are you kicking yourself and can't wait to get back to a manual? And if so why?
I think all these would be interesting to hear about. Rants about how nobody should be thinking about buying it in the first place, from people who've never driven one for an extended period of time, not so much. We get that some people have decided the DSG is not for them. Great. It's a free country. But this thread is really seeking the more considered opinions of those who decided it was for them, once they've lived with it for a little while.
Rolfe.
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My main fault is being too lazy to change down, either when slowing down, or when making a sudden decision to overtake. So I think the DSG will be good for me.
Rolfe.
thanks for proving my point! :wink:
i certainly wasn't sl@gging off the dsg however, i think its an excellent bit of kit for those that want it.
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What are you on about :rolleyes:
It has manual! You have to think about each gear, which revs etc etc
It has a manual ? Ah didnt realise, which pedal is the clutch ?
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My main fault is being too lazy to change down, either when slowing down, or when making a sudden decision to overtake. So I think the DSG will be good for me.
Rolfe.
thanks for proving my point! :wink:
Kev, sweetie, I've been saying that every second post from the moment I started to think about getting the DSG. That you only now think I've "proved" your point may say something about your reading comprehension? :rolleyes:
Rolfe.
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My main fault is being too lazy to change down, either when slowing down, or when making a sudden decision to overtake. So I think the DSG will be good for me.
Rolfe.
thanks for proving my point! :wink:
Kev, sweetie, I've been saying that every second post from the moment I started to think about getting the DSG. That you only now think I've "proved" your point may say something about your reading comprehension? :rolleyes:
Rolfe.
Kev ? I never said that :grin:
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VWKev in "Not taking in what someone had told him shocker !"
I can see that being front page in the papers tomorrow :D :D
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Kev ? I never said that :grin:
VWKev in "Not taking in what someone had told him shocker !"
I can see that being front page in the papers tomorrow :D :D
No, be fair. My fault. I was accusing Kev of something he didn't do. (This time....) :rolleyes:
Rolfe.
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looks like its not just me who doesn't read things properly rolfe lol :grin:
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Wooooow woow wow!!
Hang on there people!! I have often said that dsg suits certain peoples needs more than others, that will always be the case, and its because of these varying needs that not everyone is driving around in a golf.
All I wish to do is to highlight the certain points about dsg that lots of dsg drivers fail to mention. I find that this is usually because they are more than happy to toodle around in auto mode 99% of the time. Now before the usual suspects jump on my back, there are a few more commited drivers out there who do use dsg to its full potential and when used in this manor its a great tool.
The problem I found (now i did around 3000miles in the period I had the dsg) was that its almost like its all or nothing. Now the points below are meant to HIGHLIGHT THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAD WITH DSG!!
1. In auto mode the car doesnt allow you to push on without going almost flat out. (without use of paddles)
2. When you do kick down the car drops to the optimum gear even if their is only another 20revs to be had out of that gear.
3. Takes a little longer than a manual would to drop down more than a couple of cogs.
4. Very jerky when reversing. esp when your on a slight incline.
5. Very indecisive at round abouts i.e. Not sure if its getting ready to stop or start.
6. paddles are not at correct positions when going around round abouts.
7. If you want to 0-60 (not full kick down but quicker than some foolio in a saxo) without going over 60, you will then have to take it out of sport mode when you get to 60 or be prepared to sit in 3rd at 5k revs.
8. i found on quite a few occasions on kick down the revs increased alot where as the car didnt go as well as it should have. Now this sounds like a probably fault, most likely clutch slip. Obviously doesnt apply to all cars but a possible future cause for concern.
9. In auto mode it also wants to climb gears very quickly. This can mean your in 6th by 30mph... great for economy, not so great for that v6 sound!!
10. This selction of the highest possible gear means than when going round a corner the car feels like is moving like a free weight as opposed to being connected to the engine. Applying slight throttle means that the car doesnt accelerate with the control and feel of a manual.
Now I know that some of the points listed can be overcome by using the paddles or the gear stick. Of the 2 methods, the use of the stick was my prefered. The only issue I had with this was that its a very strange springy type function of the stick. Almost artificial in some respects but gets the job done.
The paddles on the other hand are not often in the right place at the right time, which for me caused a few issues. I know that because of this reason a number of people on the MK5 board have changed their paddles to the extended ones to make gear changes more accessable... a good idea I would say.
Now there is no doubt about the dsg on a performance level will be better than a manual (although VW's revised 0-60 figures dont suggest so on the mk6). I found that when flat out the dsg doesn t make any mistakes, and always changes up at the optimum level and is great in this respect. A similar story if you often find yourself in slow moving stead traffic where you can do nothing but move 'with the flow', its an ideal companion.
My conclusion is that many would have selected dsg when they heard the motoring world and journalists stressing how good it is in comparisson to regular autos. What you will find it that many have compared it to regular autos as opposed to a manual and usually for a very short period... just see the Evo long term mk5 R32 test for a prime example. :wink:
DSG would also be great for a track but I have no doubt in my mind that an experienced driver would match the pace. Unfortunately not many of us are experienced track drivers and therefore probably not use it to its full potential. I just found myself unable to adapt to the paddles or the stick properly (manuals hardwired into my brain i think!) but often found myself using the accelerator to get my self in the optimum gear... not an easy task!
Chances are you will either love it or hate it... learn anything new??? :grin: nope didnt think so!! :tongue:
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learn anything new??? :grin: nope didnt think so!! :tongue:
WRONG. Wrong as wrong could be!
Very very interesting post and thank you for taking the time to write it.
Rolfe.
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learn anything new??? :grin: nope didnt think so!! :tongue:
WRONG. Wrong as wrong could be!
Very very interesting post and thank you for taking the time to write it.
Rolfe.
No probs.. you welcome!! might want to have another read as I just editted it :smiley:
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Thanks for the detailed report of your experiences R32UK with the DSG... I read it with interest as I was not sure whether I made a mistake in not getting the DSG myself. As I posted somewhere on this forum, when it comes to relatively new technology, I would rather wait for at least a decade to have passed before giving it a go. Its not about not accepting new technology but just to be cautious and to ensure all the nicks have been sorted out. Some technologies just need time to be perfected even those we thought were already perfect can be further perfected such as the Golf MkV... ;)
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R32UK, your such a sook, can't you have just said its sh!t ? :grin:
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lol... I actually was looking to get a dsg as my next car, but after quite a few miles of living with it I decided it isnt for me. Would take it over a std auto on a larger car without a doubt. However on a performance hot hatch that often gets a thrashing.... no thanks!
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lol... I actually was looking to get a dsg as my next car, but after quite a few miles of living with it I decided it isnt for me. Would take it over a std auto on a larger car without a doubt. However on a performance hot hatch that often gets a thrashing.... no thanks!
I'd take DSG over an std too, dont think the wife would be too pleased if I got one. :grin:
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What are you on about :rolleyes:
It has manual! You have to think about each gear, which revs etc etc
It has a manual ? Ah didnt realise, which pedal is the clutch ?
You dont even have a bloody GTI mate so no idea why you are commenting on a DSG, of which you probly spent 30 minutes with in a test drive :rolleyes:
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What are you on about :rolleyes:
It has manual! You have to think about each gear, which revs etc etc
It has a manual ? Ah didnt realise, which pedal is the clutch ?
You dont even have a bloody GTI mate so no idea why you are commenting on a DSG, of which you probly spent 30 minutes with in a test drive :rolleyes:
Now now, it was a simple question, just because you couldnt answer it you have a dig. Think the words I'm looking for is that your a bit of a bell end.
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The thing with DSG is that owners of it will from the past 4 years of many forums defend there decision and don't like negative points brought up. Myself i think its a very personal option.
Over the past 4 years I have had use of a mk5 GTI DSG company car when needed (I have done about 25K in it myself) as well as our own manual MK5 GTI. I just found it was not for me.
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What are you on about :rolleyes:
It has manual! You have to think about each gear, which revs etc etc
It has a manual ? Ah didnt realise, which pedal is the clutch ?
You dont even have a bloody GTI mate so no idea why you are commenting on a DSG, of which you probly spent 30 minutes with in a test drive :rolleyes:
Now now, it was a simple question, just because you couldnt answer it you have a dig. Think the words I'm looking for is that your a bit of a bell end.
Resorting to derogatory remarks? tut tut :rolleyes:
It has two clutches if you really want to know, perhaps if you had a gti, or even a golf you would know. Seems i touched a nerve by showing you up :laugh:
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What are you on about :rolleyes:
It has manual! You have to think about each gear, which revs etc etc
It has a manual ? Ah didnt realise, which pedal is the clutch ?
You dont even have a bloody GTI mate so no idea why you are commenting on a DSG, of which you probly spent 30 minutes with in a test drive :rolleyes:
Now now, it was a simple question, just because you couldnt answer it you have a dig. Think the words I'm looking for is that your a bit of a bell end.
Resorting to derogatory remarks? tut tut :rolleyes:
It has two clutches if you really want to know, perhaps if you had a gti, or even a golf you would know. Seems i touched a nerve by showing you up :laugh:
You win Julie.
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Interesting thread...
I'm thinking DSG, Manual, DSG...Manual...Oh, I give up. don't know.
I fancy a Mk6 GTI...but don't know which to go for.
The best option seems to be to buy my old mans Mk5 GT DSG and live with it for a few months...that way, I'll either love it, or hate it.
Either way, if I then go for a Mk6 GTI I will know I'm happy with the gearbox choice.
I like what I've found driving DSG so far (short drives) but when it comes to living with it daily...all bets are off. Time will tell.
I'm not sure I'd want DSG in a weekend/fun/sports car...but in a daily driver, I'm certainly tending towards it being a good choice.
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Interesting thread...
I'm thinking DSG, Manual, DSG...Manual...Oh, I give up. don't know.
I fancy a Mk6 GTI...but don't know which to go for.
The best option seems to be to buy my old mans Mk5 GT DSG and live with it for a few months...that way, I'll either love it, or hate it.
Either way, if I then go for a Mk6 GTI I will know I'm happy with the gearbox choice.
I like what I've found driving DSG so far (short drives) but when it comes to living with it daily...all bets are off. Time will tell.
I'm not sure I'd want DSG in a weekend/fun/sports car...but in a daily driver, I'm certainly tending towards it being a good choice.
Does your dad's GT have the flappy paddles? Personally I think that makes a big difference to the level of interaction one would get from the dsg manual mode.
Really surprised that it wasn't standard on mkV gti dsgs
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Really surprised that it wasn't standard on mkV gti dsgs
EH ?
All MKV GTIs that had the DSG option came with flappy paddels . . . .
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Really surprised that it wasn't standard on mkV gti dsgs
EH ?
All MKV GTIs that had the DSG option came with flappy paddels . . . .
I think on some of the very early one's it was an option, but soon became standard.
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Does your dad's GT have the flappy paddles? Personally I think that makes a big difference to the level of interaction one would get from the dsg manual mode.
Really surprised that it wasn't standard on mkV gti dsgs
No, it doesn't...and it is something that's giving me cause for concern.
Although, if using it in Auto works out OK and I get used to it and like it, having the paddles will be a huge plus.
If I hate it after a few months, I doubt the paddles will make that much difference to that thought....so I'm doubtful they'd make me change my mind.
I'd prefer it to have paddles for sure...but the basic functionailty will be the same...so at least I can verify I'm happy with it pulling away, auto changing, reversing, etc
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Its completely different without paddles! DSG would be awful without it as it would remove the manual interaction!
You might as well have a standard auto :sick:
I highly advise you to go test drive a proper DSG in a proper car (a GT is not a good car to help you base your decision) Wack the stick into manual and hammer it round some bendy roads using the paddles to shift :evil:
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Really surprised that it wasn't standard on mkV gti dsgs
EH ?
All MKV GTIs that had the DSG option came with flappy paddels . . . .
When I was looking at 2nd hand MkVs, gtis and r32s, not all DSG cars had the flappy paddles.
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Early ones didnt have paddles as standard :wink:
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Its completely different without paddles! DSG would be awful without it as it would remove the manual interaction!
You might as well have a standard auto :sick:
I highly advise you to go test drive a proper DSG in a proper car (a GT is not a good car to help you base your decision) Wack the stick into manual and hammer it round some bendy roads using the paddles to shift :evil:
Got a mate just got a Mk5 GTI DSG with paddles....so hoping to have a try of that soon.
I'm sure the paddles will be great...
But, as an everyday car, it'll stay in Auto most of the time...so what it does the rest of the time is as important.
My current thinking is, I would be happy with DSG with paddles...and not so happy with it with no paddles.
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I'm going to have to beg an instruction drive if my dealer doesn't offer one. When I had my test drive the car was a DSG, and that was what put the idea in my mind. But the idea didn't crystallise until a bit later, so I didn't ask anything at all about the DSG during the test drive, or enquire what it could do.
I remember I accidentally pushed the stick to the left while we were stationary, and the salesman said, no, you just put it in manual. Huh? I didn't know automatics could go into manual. No more was said about it, and I didn't notice paddles or anything like that.
So I think I'm going to need a lesson.
Rolfe.