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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: evo1986 on 16 January 2020, 19:26
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The new, redesigned Golf 8 will open for order on Thursday 6 February with two new trims and a wealth of new technology.
Dates for your diary
Right now
The new Golf is already open for Retailer stock ordering
Week starting 3 February
Market introduction – showroom/demonstrator cars to be allocated
Thursday 6 February
Open for customer orders
Friday 7 February
Personal digital brochures (PDBs) live
Week starting 30 March
Showroom/demonstrator cars arrive at Retailers
Friday 3 April: National communications and showroom launch activity starts
Product overview
Unmistakably a Golf – the all new Golf 8 is the most progressive of all time. While the exterior design is an evolution over its predecessor, the interior is where the revolution begins.
The UK’s best-selling Volkswagen now comes with a plethora of new technologies as standard, including Car2X safety technology (a first for Volkswagen), ten-inch Active Info Display, ten-inch infotainment display and LED headlights.
Golf 8 also offers the following as optional equipment: head-up display projection onto the windscreen, Matrix IQ. lights and a new premium speaker provider - Harman/Kardon.
Trim and specification highlights
We’ll be renaming two of our most popular trims for Golf 8.
The new Life trim replaces the SE/Match, and offers customers great value for money. The Style trim replaces the GT/GT Edition, and gives customers additional technologies with new equipment over and above the Life trim.
Customers will be able to order these two trims from launch, with a choice of two petrol and two diesel engines. Further trim details, such as the popular R-Line, GTE and future performance Golfs will be announced at a later date.
Specification highlights include a five-star NCAP rating and:
All Golf 8 models come with:
LED headlights
10-inch Active Info display
10-inch infotainment unit
App Connect
Car2X safety technology
e-Call
Keyless Go
One-zone climate control
Golf 8 Life adds:
16-inch ‘Norfolk’ alloy wheels
Satellite navigation, including three years of We Connect Plus
Light and sight pack
Leather steering wheel and gear gator
Alarm
Wireless App Connect, including inductive charging
Parking sensors (front and rear)
Adaptive cruise control
10 colour ambient lighting
Golf 8 style builds on Life, including:
17-inch ‘Belmont’ alloy wheels
Three-zone climate control
30 colour ambient lighting
Enhanced LED headlights including high beam assist
Art Velour with front sports comfort seats
Carpet mats (front and rear)
Insurance ratings are to be confirmed.
Exterior colours
Golf 8 arrives with a range of solid, metallic and pearlescent paints, including Moonstone Grey and Lime Yellow across the range from launch.
Urano Grey
Pure White Moonstone Grey
Deep Black
Oryx WHite
Dolphin Grey
Lime Yellow
Reflex Silver
Atlantic Blue
Supply and launch vehicles
Demonstrators and showroom cars have been ordered in the Life trim with a mixture of colours and both 130PS and 150PS petrol engines.
Every Retailer will be allocated three cars. Production for these vehicles commenced on 25 November 2019 (week 48) The first cars arriving in the country in mid-March, ready for April market introduction.
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On the GTI?
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You can't leave us hanging like this waiting for the info? May not get any sleep tonight now in anticipation :grin:
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Do tell !!!
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He's such a tease :evil:
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That’s a sleepless night for me , too excited now :smiley:
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No red? 5 door only?
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No red available on the German configurator.
Probably different colours for the performance Golfs ..?
Seems to be well publicised that Golf Mk8 will only be in 5 door .....
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No red? 5 door only?
5 Door only forever more
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An uninspiring colour selection but very happy to see Reflex Silver return.
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No red? 5 door only?
5 Door only forever more
Even the scirocco, the three door coupe with SUV arch gaps was reborn a bona fide five door SUV!
Every manufacturer seems to be following the same rationale and the Golf was one of the last in its class to become five door only.
An uninspiring colour selection but very happy to see Reflex Silver return.
Fairly predictable selection of shades.
Surprised there’s no red yet myself too but I’m another that’s very glad to see Reflex back :smiley:
Thanks to Lee for putting the info up here :afro:
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Not the best choice of colours is it?
9 colours to choose from, but 3 of them are grey and one of them is that god awful greeny yellowy vomit colour :sick:
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I’m assuming there’ll be an exclusive signature colour for the performance models in the same way that there was with the mk7 / mk7.5; R Lapiz Blue and GTI/GTD Carbon Grey (mk7), and Isaac Blue (mk7.5).
If I was to buy a non performance mk8, based on the available colour selection, first choice would be Pure White, with Atlantic Blue second choice.
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I’m assuming there’ll be an exclusive signature colour for the performance models in the same way that there was with the mk7 / mk7.5; R Lapiz Blue and GTI/GTD Carbon Grey (mk7), and Isaac Blue (mk7.5).
If I was to buy a non performance mk8, based on the available colour selection, first choice would be Pure White, with Atlantic Blue second choice.
Reflex for me, best way of disguising the polished/chrome side window and bumper trims.
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Oryx white for me, but not sure if could get over having chrome window sills :sick:
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I’m assuming there’ll be an exclusive signature colour for the performance models in the same way that there was with the mk7 / mk7.5; R Lapiz Blue and GTI/GTD Carbon Grey (mk7), and Isaac Blue (mk7.5).
If I was to buy a non performance mk8, based on the available colour selection, first choice would be Pure White, with Atlantic Blue second choice.
Reflex for me, best way of disguising the polished/chrome side window and bumper trims.
Oryx white for me, but not sure if could get over having chrome window sills :sick:
I’d forgotten that they’d gone all retro on the exterior and fitted 1980’s style chrome trim! I think the last car I had with a chrome strip on the lower window rubber was a mk1 Fiesta back in 1980 :shocked:. I wonder if there’ll be a no-cost chrome delete option, or an alternative ‘black’ option to have ‘black chrome’ trim instead, rather than shiny chrome? I think Audi offer (or used to offer) this.
Hopefully the performance models won’t have chrome trim.
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Hopefully we will see the return to a dark metallic green.
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Hopefully we will see the return to a dark metallic green.
That would be a colour I would have considered, which comes from the 2 x British Racing Green MG that once owned
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The new, redesigned Golf 8 will open for order on Thursday 6 February with two new trims and a wealth of new technology.
Dates for your diary
Right now
The new Golf is already open for Retailer stock ordering
Week starting 3 February
Market introduction – showroom/demonstrator cars to be allocated
Thursday 6 February
Open for customer orders
Friday 7 February
Personal digital brochures (PDBs) live
Week starting 30 March
Showroom/demonstrator cars arrive at Retailers
Friday 3 April: National communications and showroom launch activity starts
Product overview
Unmistakably a Golf – the all new Golf 8 is the most progressive of all time. While the exterior design is an evolution over its predecessor, the interior is where the revolution begins.
The UK’s best-selling Volkswagen now comes with a plethora of new technologies as standard, including Car2X safety technology (a first for Volkswagen), ten-inch Active Info Display, ten-inch infotainment display and LED headlights.
Golf 8 also offers the following as optional equipment: head-up display projection onto the windscreen, Matrix IQ. lights and a new premium speaker provider - Harman/Kardon.
Trim and specification highlights
We’ll be renaming two of our most popular trims for Golf 8.
The new Life trim replaces the SE/Match, and offers customers great value for money. The Style trim replaces the GT/GT Edition, and gives customers additional technologies with new equipment over and above the Life trim.
Customers will be able to order these two trims from launch, with a choice of two petrol and two diesel engines. Further trim details, such as the popular R-Line, GTE and future performance Golfs will be announced at a later date.
Specification highlights include a five-star NCAP rating and:
All Golf 8 models come with:
LED headlights
10-inch Active Info display
10-inch infotainment unit
App Connect
Car2X safety technology
e-Call
Keyless Go
One-zone climate control
Golf 8 Life adds:
16-inch ‘Norfolk’ alloy wheels
Satellite navigation, including three years of We Connect Plus
Light and sight pack
Leather steering wheel and gear gator
Alarm
Wireless App Connect, including inductive charging
Parking sensors (front and rear)
Adaptive cruise control
10 colour ambient lighting
Golf 8 style builds on Life, including:
17-inch ‘Belmont’ alloy wheels
Three-zone climate control
30 colour ambient lighting
Enhanced LED headlights including high beam assist
Art Velour with front sports comfort seats
Carpet mats (front and rear)
Insurance ratings are to be confirmed.
Exterior colours
Golf 8 arrives with a range of solid, metallic and pearlescent paints, including Moonstone Grey and Lime Yellow across the range from launch.
Urano Grey
Pure White Moonstone Grey
Deep Black
Oryx WHite
Dolphin Grey
Lime Yellow
Reflex Silver
Atlantic Blue
Supply and launch vehicles
Demonstrators and showroom cars have been ordered in the Life trim with a mixture of colours and both 130PS and 150PS petrol engines.
Every Retailer will be allocated three cars. Production for these vehicles commenced on 25 November 2019 (week 48) The first cars arriving in the country in mid-March, ready for April market introduction.
When will the GTE be available to order ?
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'Life', 'Style'? What carp names. Much prefer Match, GT etc.
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Hi all,
Linked to Panelpin's question ...
Based on experience, if the GTI, GTD and GTE are launched at Geneva in early March, when would they be open to order in the UK ?
May / June ?
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Probably available to order from April/May with first deliveries somewhere from September onwards. R will be early next year would imagine.
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Having had yet another run in with my dealer today because they’re useless, the Dealer Principal said no performed model deliveries until mid q4
I've been saying it before on here, you aren't seeing them on the road until December at the earliest.
That's not because of some insider knowledge I have - its because I've seen enough VW delivery timelines now to be able to predict their sluggish response.
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Having had yet another run in with my dealer today because they’re useless, the Dealer Principal said no performed model deliveries until mid q4
I've been saying it before on here, you aren't seeing them on the road until December at the earliest.
That's not because of some insider knowledge I have - its because I've seen enough VW delivery timelines now to be able to predict their sluggish response.
I second Fredgroves response. You can expect upto and over half a year for build/delivery timescales in some cases. I ordered a GTI Mk7 when it was first released in 2013, and it took between 5 to 6 months from order to delivery. It was the same case with my Golf R in 2016 as well and this was not just released. I would say some of us have been lucky to get faster build timescales, but this is due to certain variables falling in to place such as minimal options specified, location of the dealer, whether you was lucky to get on the current order quota of the dealer. But even if you order from the factory, then you can expect north of 3-4 months in most cases best case scenario on average. Its just how VW work. Oh and if you want a quicker delivery time avoid ordering so August falls inside your build slot, as they shut down for a few weeks in August, adding even more time to your build slot.
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Having had yet another run in with my dealer today because they’re useless, the Dealer Principal said no performed model deliveries until mid q4
I've been saying it before on here, you aren't seeing them on the road until December at the earliest.
That's not because of some insider knowledge I have - its because I've seen enough VW delivery timelines now to be able to predict their sluggish response.
I second Fredgroves response. You can expect upto and over half a year for build/delivery timescales in some cases. I ordered a GTI Mk7 when it was first released in 2013, and it took between 5 to 6 months from order to delivery. It was the same case with my Golf R in 2016 as well and this was not just released. I would say some of us have been lucky to get faster build timescales, but this is due to certain variables falling in to place such as minimal options specified, location of the dealer, whether you was lucky to get on the current order quota of the dealer. But even if you order from the factory, then you can expect north of 3-4 months in most cases best case scenario on average. Its just how VW work. Oh and if you want a quicker delivery time avoid ordering so August falls inside your build slot, as they shut down for a few weeks in August, adding even more time to your build slot.
Third that as well, my present is my 5th VW and 3rd MK 7/7.5 and the release patterns are pretty set
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And I still don't understand it after all these years - I can't think of any large OEM that has anything like the *routine* lead times as a factory VAG order (and all performance models are factory orders unless its ex-demo or a cancelled order hijacked mid flight).
There has to be a reason why, but its clearly not anything obvious like cost reduction because otherwise the others would be doing it too (any significant innovation around processes is copied by your competitors unless its patented).
It almost seems like its just bloody mindedness from VW/Audi (don't know about SEAT and Skoda) which has to result in a fair number of customers simply walking away.
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Same situation applied with the current Polo. Early adopters of the Polo GTI and GTI+ were experiencing lead times of typically 8-10 months, and some waited longer. And the 8-10 months wait was before the WLTP debacle. It wasn’t just performance models with long wait times either.
There seems to be no logic to the waiting times; some customers getting their cars quite quickly after placing their order, whereas others seemed to have to wait ages, some customers with just one or two options waiting much longer than those who ordered a heavily specced car.
Long wait times in the first 12-18 months after a new car launch just seem to be the VW way of doing things. I think Fred is right; we’re unlikely to see mk8 Golf GTI’s on UK roads until the back end of this year.
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Both my Mk7 and my Mk7.5 were neigh on 6 months from order.
In both cases it was a new year order.
And that's without it being a new model.
The sweet spot to receive the Mk8 will be whenever that first MY change happens - I can't remember when that is - April? Order before, get the extras thrown in.
If you order as soon as the books open you will almost certainly get less kit bundled than when that first MY changes.
You'll also not suffer the initial problems such as unknown things that dealers forget (transit pucks) or not understand what options really are because there is a one sentence description for something which you read as meaning one thing only to discover it doesn't do it.
Let others suffer that pain, read about it on here, order later :D
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I think when you watch the Richard Hammond program from last week where he was at the Wolfsburg plant and was shown the size of their plant and a car produced every 16 seconds, you sort of understand why factory orders take so long - they just have so many cars to produce.
Not that I'm saying I'm happy with it when BMW can build a custom BMW in 4-6 weeks from order.
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I know from experience that the time from order to delivery can be several months - but I'm interested in the time from global launch (early March) to when UK order can be placed.
The reason is because I have a lease with VWFS which expires late April. I can do an "informal" extension for 3 months, but by the end of this, I need to have placed an order for a new car (which will probably a GTi or GTD). They will then extend further for as long as it takes for the car to be delivered. However, they won't extend after the 3 months unless an order is placed.
I would have to to either just hand the car back or to pay a very high daily rental rate.
So, do we think that GTi/GTD/GTE would be open to order by end July ?? Any views welcome ! Thanks !
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I'd say the order books will be open by June if they are expecting "mid q4 deliveries" (assuming their year is Jan-December, if its April to April then its February at the earliest! and order books will open in August)
I'd go as far as to say they won't start accepting orders until after the Summer holiday shutdown you know...
I'm in the same boat as you BTW.... only mine is July. Mine's PCP though.
You won't have seen what one looks like in the flesh though or knowing VWUK the spec won't even be written down right for a month or so and the configurator won't be available either or have problems.
Its very flakey always at the start!
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Hi fredgroves,
You are right. I ordered a GTD 7.5 virtually as soon as they were available. Remember "front foglight gate" - VWUK had incorrectly configured the UK models, so it arrived without front fog lights. Got £500 in compensation (eventually...)
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And I still don't understand it after all these years - I can't think of any large OEM that has anything like the *routine* lead times as a factory VAG order (and all performance models are factory orders unless its ex-demo or a cancelled order hijacked mid flight).
There has to be a reason why, but its clearly not anything obvious like cost reduction because otherwise the others would be doing it too (any significant innovation around processes is copied by your competitors unless its patented).
It almost seems like its just bloody mindedness from VW/Audi (don't know about SEAT and Skoda) which has to result in a fair number of customers simply walking away.
From what I’ve read and people I’ve known ordering cars SEAT and Skoda orders take months and months too. A colleague has a current lead of about four months plus on a SEAT Arona.
When BMW dealers could get a new 1 series within six weeks even at launch it does beg the question. BMW are not exactly a small scale producer with limited demand.
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I think when you watch the Richard Hammond program from last week where he was at the Wolfsburg plant and was shown the size of their plant and a car produced every 16 seconds, you sort of understand why factory orders take so long - they just have so many cars to produce.
Not that I'm saying I'm happy with it when BMW can build a custom BMW in 4-6 weeks from order.
Know you been quoted 20 weeks for your TCR - My quote was same but was in the country 16 weeks from order and collected it at 18 weeks
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When BMW dealers could get a new 1 series within six weeks even at launch it does beg the question. BMW are not exactly a small scale producer with limited demand.
Exactly. Mini are the same too - and they are built by communists near Oxford.
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I think when you watch the Richard Hammond program from last week where he was at the Wolfsburg plant and was shown the size of their plant and a car produced every 16 seconds, you sort of understand why factory orders take so long - they just have so many cars to produce.
Not that I'm saying I'm happy with it when BMW can build a custom BMW in 4-6 weeks from order.
Know you been quoted 20 weeks for your TCR - My quote was same but was in the country 16 weeks from order and collected it at 18 weeks
26 weeks I've been quoted for my TCR :whistle:
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No idea how accurate this is, but Carfile are listing prices and options for the Mk8 now;-
https://www.carfile.net/buy-your-car/volkswagen/golf_hatchback_mark_8.html
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How much?!? There's only so much a Golf is worth and those prices are insane.
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Golf Mk7.5 Hatch 5Dr 1.5TSI EVO 130 SS Match Edition 6 20MY was RRP £23,115....
Golf Hatch 5Dr 2.0TDI 150 SS Match Edition 6 20MY was RRP £25,320...
these aren't that much more expensive
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£2300 is quite a lot in my book.
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Couple of hundred quid as far as I can see... If you look at the rrp price on the link. I think the mk8's have more kit than a match too.
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I was comparing the two above Fred and then saw they are different engines :grin: :grin:
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https://www.carsuk.net/new-volkswagen-golf-mk8-goes-on-sale-in-a-limited-way-in-the-uk/
Latest mk 8
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https://www.carsuk.net/new-volkswagen-golf-mk8-goes-on-sale-in-a-limited-way-in-the-uk/
Latest mk 8
Not keen on the lights, front bumper or interior. Other than that, not too bad.
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https://www.carsuk.net/new-volkswagen-golf-mk8-goes-on-sale-in-a-limited-way-in-the-uk/
Latest mk 8
Not keen on the lights, front bumper or interior. Other than that, not too bad.
:grin: So you pretty much don't like everything that's changed from the 7.5 then...… I'm with you on that one!! :grin:
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https://www.carsuk.net/new-volkswagen-golf-mk8-goes-on-sale-in-a-limited-way-in-the-uk/
Latest mk 8
Not keen on the lights, front bumper or interior. Other than that, not too bad.
:grin: So you pretty much don't like everything that's changed from the 7.5 then...… I'm with you on that one!! :grin:
eerrrrrr…...yep! :laugh:
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https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/new-golf.html#MOFA (https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/new-golf.html#MOFA)
Mk8 configurator/finance calculator up on the VW website. Seems awfully expensive!
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Just looked at a quick finance calculator for the Mk. Crazy!
Mk8 Style 140 bhp £25.4k with no options.
Deposit Contribution £1k
Deposit £2.5k
Gfv £10.6
So £307 pm. Wow. Just wow.
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The Golf Style (from £25,470) adds 17″ alloys, posher LED headlights, ambient lighting and wood trim.
Wood trim, is this true?
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Pretty much £30k for a 150bhp DSG diesel, BEFORE options! :laugh: :shocked:
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It's £935 more for a Mk8 2.0TDi with DSG in Style trim than it was for a Mk7 2.0TDi with DSG in GT Edition trim (list prices).
I'm not saying the Mk8 is amazing value, but let's not forget how expensive the Mk7 became before it went out of production.
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Pretty much £30k for a 150bhp DSG diesel, BEFORE options! :laugh: :shocked:
That makes my TCR seem cheap!
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Pretty much £30k for a 150bhp DSG diesel, BEFORE options! :laugh: :shocked:
That makes my TCR seem cheap!
Have I missed something? Did you finally bite the bullet?! :wink:
Edit: Never mind - just saw your post in "what have you done to your mk7" thread. Congrats! Looking forward to reading your comparison of the two.
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A lot of the Mk7 middle of the range models were poor value compared to GTI's etc in terms of spec.
You never wanted to try to add things to an R line for example- it would get stupid expensive really quick.
Remember the Mk8's you can see here are middle of the range...
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A lot of the Mk7 middle of the range models were poor value compared to GTI's etc in terms of spec.
You never wanted to try to add things to an R line for example- it would get stupid expensive really quick.
Remember the Mk8's you can see here are middle of the range...
Exactly. From what I can see, by the time you've levelled the specs, the Mk8 isn't that much more expensive.
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Pretty much £30k for a 150bhp DSG diesel, BEFORE options! :laugh: :shocked:
That makes my TCR seem cheap!
Have I missed something? Did you finally bite the bullet?! :wink:
Edit: Never mind - just saw your post in "what have you done to your mk7" thread. Congrats! Looking forward to reading your comparison of the two.
Cheers Splashalot :smiley:
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New Audi A3 Configurator is online. Admittedly the highest BHP and spec is A3 Sportback S Line 150bhp Steptronic :sad: But just threw the kitchen sink at it spec wise and was genuinely shocked / surprised at the price. it came out at £33,696 rotr before any discounts !!! :smiley:
I know you will add more with more bhp but even so....👍👍
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I fancied a first edition but it’s not yet available with S Tronic only manual
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Don't know if anyone noticed, but the UK configurator for the lowly Mk8's is online and working now too.
Golf 8 R-Line 1.5 eTSI 150PS 7-speed DSG 5 Door with most of the toys is just under 35k....
You can see from the configurator some of the options too - the HUD is £620 which I guess isn't too expensive.
The IQ lights are the killers.
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I just looked at the Configurator for Golf Mk8 and configured similar spec to what I have currently on my Golf R. It came out at £35,896 which is mind blowing for a 150ps Golf R Line when you consider only 3 years ago i bought a full blown fully loaded Golf R Mk7 brand new for the same money. As Fredgroves states the IQ Lights are extortionate money. :shocked:
Taking in to account if the car comes standard with certain options which will reduce the price a little in ceetain aspects, I still guess the Golf GTI TCR and Golf R might be pushing £40K easily.
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As we said earlier, the Mk7 R line with the same options as a bog standard GTI/R was always more expensive.
It was very poor value to spec up a lower one with options.
I looked at a 2.0 TDi 150ps originally, but decided it was cheaper to buy a GTD....
I did notice the R line had a fair amount of things bundled though - NavPro for example. Also that the number of options was limited (WLTP i suspect to thank for that).
However having to option automatic aircon is a bit of a cheek I thought!
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Here's another new article....
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/volkswagen/golf-r/
the all-new GTI which is set to arrive in the second quarter of 2021
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Yet to be shown officially but also due for a 2021 release is the 8th-gen Golf R,
Has the virus really pushed the performance Golf release back to 2021 now?
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Here's another new article....
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/volkswagen/golf-r/
the all-new GTI which is set to arrive in the second quarter of 2021
and
Yet to be shown officially but also due for a 2021 release is the 8th-gen Golf R,
Has the virus really pushed the performance Golf release back to 2021 now?
Don't worry Fred this article up on Car Magazine website is actually a reprint from an Australian Magazine, so the timescales are for the Australian Market. No doubt Europe will get a delay of some sorts on the models but it won't be as dramatic as the wait in the Aussie market.
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-ride-2020-volkswagen-golf-gti-prototype
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That’s an exceptionally positive first drive of the gti, even if he wasn’t actually driving it himself. Very encouraging indeed.
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That’s an exceptionally positive first drive of the gti, even if he wasn’t actually driving it himself. Very encouraging indeed.
I'm not sure that anyone has questioned the quality of the drive though? Concerns seem to be more around styling and the lack of buttons. One interesting point though was the aluminium front sub-chassis from the CSS.
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That’s an exceptionally positive first drive of the gti, even if he wasn’t actually driving it himself. Very encouraging indeed.
I'm not sure that anyone has questioned the quality of the drive though? Concerns seem to be more around styling and the lack of buttons. One interesting point though was the aluminium front sub-chassis from the CSS.
Its a car that no one on the forum has driven so probably right to comment on the drive. Comments that it feels sharper will be of interest and and different drive feel maybe?
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Just found this on you tube, looks official but he talks about embargo being lifted but can not find any this else online, some nice video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlQCOfLn5sE
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Autocar first images/drive: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-ride-2020-volkswagen-golf-gti-prototype
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/99-volkswagen-golf-gti-2020-ride-hero-front.jpg)
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/98-volkswagen-golf-gti-2020-ride-hero-rear.jpg)
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/97-volkswagen-golf-gti-2020-ride-gti-badge.jpg)
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/96-volkswagen-golf-gti-2020-ride-steering-wheel.jpg)
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/94-volkswagen-golf-gti-2020-ride-interview.jpg)
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/93-volkswagen-golf-gti-2020-ride-driver.jpg)
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/91-volkswagen-golf-gti-2020-ride-otr-front.jpg)
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/90-volkswagen-golf-gti-2020-ride-static.jpg)
(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/89-volkswagen-golf-gti-2020-ride-details.jpg)
:)
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I quite like it still actually.
The saddest thing is that they are talking about it being able to be bought in Germany in "Autumn" which means the UK order books open when? January? Deliveries from May/June 2021 probably.
So my earlier comment about it being the 2021 Golf GTI seem to hold true...
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I'd be waiting for the 45th Anniversary/Clubsport version anyways, so that's no stress here.
Everything I read I approve of. It 'real world' photographs soooo much better than its CGI/Studio shots too.
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Good writeup and video here
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/2020-volkswagen-golf-gti--official-details/42415
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Uhoh... Software gremlins halt delivery...
https://www.motor1.com/news/423689/vw-golf-software-issues-arise/
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Uhoh... Software gremlins halt delivery...
https://www.motor1.com/news/423689/vw-golf-software-issues-arise/
do mk 7.5s have the same accident emergency call feature in them?
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Uhoh... Software gremlins halt delivery...
https://www.motor1.com/news/423689/vw-golf-software-issues-arise/
do mk 7.5s have the same accident emergency call feature in them?
@Watts mk7.5 GTI TCR has an ‘SOS’ button, which I assume is the accident emergency call feature. It’s mentioned in the post at the link below, and there’s a picture of it - in the overhead console - in reply #9 in that post.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=286417.msg2620339#msg2620339
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If that's the case then my newly built TCR won't be delivered then 🤷♂️
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@mcmaddy; maybe mk7.5 Golfs aren’t affected by this software issue. The way I read the article at the link posted by Fred, it’s the software associated with the emergency call feature in the mk8 Golf where there are issues.
Hopefully your TCR won’t be affected.
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@mcmaddy; maybe mk7.5 Golfs aren’t affected by this software issue. The way I read the article at the link posted by Fred, it’s the software associated with the emergency call feature in the mk8 Golf where there are issues.
Hopefully your TCR won’t be affected.
that's what I'm hoping 👍
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I'd be waiting for the 45th Anniversary/Clubsport version anyways, so that's no stress here.
Everything I read I approve of. It 'real world' photographs soooo much better than its CGI/Studio shots too.
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Definitely agree real-world photos look so much better. And black Prets suit it very well.
Edition 45 will be due in 21 so could be the first version to arrive in the UK?!
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I know some of you will have seen this before, but for those that haven't, here are the Mk8 GTi wheel choices (i'd expect the 17's are for markets outside the UK);-
(https://i.postimg.cc/h4zDPjyq/Golf-Mk8-GTi-Wheels.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Hey Guzzle, did you get that from a you tube video, i have been looking for a full copy of the presentation on the net with out any luck...
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Thanks for sharing, Guzzle.
The second option for the 18s looks like the wheels on the R-Line! Surely they wouldn’t be the same? :undecided:
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Hey Guzzle, did you get that from a you tube video, i have been looking for a full copy of the presentation on the net with out any luck...
Yep, snipping tool comes in handy at times :wink:
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The second option for the 18s looks like the wheels on the R-Line! Surely they wouldn’t be the same? :undecided:
Agreed. Either that or they're very similar. 'Bergamo' I think they're called.
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Hey Guzzle, did you get that from a you tube video, i have been looking for a full copy of the presentation on the net with out any luck...
Yep, snipping tool comes in handy at times :wink:
Very true Guzzle, well done. :wink:
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What are these wheels then?
(https://i.postimg.cc/59ZHF5Jp/Screenshot_2020-05-23_at_14.35.35.png)
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What are these wheels then?
(https://i.postimg.cc/59ZHF5Jp/Screenshot_2020-05-23_at_14.35.35.png)
pretorias by the look of it.
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Yep, Pretoria's.
Note the GTi now runs 19's with 8J width, same as the 7.5R. Mk7.5 GTi's are 7.5J on factory 19's.
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Which aren't on that chart...
Looks very nice though I think. I'm never one for spending money on wheels, but I like those.
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Which aren't on that chart...
Looks very nice though I think. I'm never one for spending money on wheels, but I like those.
Imagine as it's still a test car since it's not fully launched yet so they were be using existing wheels. Prets do suit the Mk8 though.
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19s suit the mk8 really well.
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19s suit the mk8 really well.
It does change the look from ungainly to quite acceptable it has to be said
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19s suit the mk8 really well.
It does change the look from ungainly to quite acceptable it has to be said
Do you think its possible to fit them on the inside too maybe? :grin:
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19s suit the mk8 really well.
It does change the look from ungainly to quite acceptable it has to be said
Do you think its possible to fit them on the inside too maybe? :grin:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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19s suit the mk8 really well.
It does change the look from ungainly to quite acceptable it has to be said
Do you think its possible to fit them on the inside too maybe? :grin:
I'm not fully against the Mk8 inside, think the seats look really good. The lack of buttons is odd though and I honestly think will make it hard to use anything that's not on the steering wheel.
What I can't work out is why the new A3 (below) has all physical buttons still, and the new Octavia and Leon have some buttons and some touch. That just seems odd? I would have thought it would be Audi who would have gone for minimalist approach :huh: Those vents though, not keen whatsoever.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bw9DMTCL/Screenshot-2020-05-26-at-16-33-16.png) (https://postimg.cc/fVkRSxh0)
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I quite like the look of the interior on the new A3 when compared to the new Golf, the vents are a bit in your face but there seems less to forgive than the VW offering. I like the new Seat Leon advert and would be interested to see their sporty offerings in the future. The Seat interior area, particularly the infotainment, has always put me off but maybe their update will be less futuristic than the Golf, will wait and see!
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The Seat interior area, particularly the infotainment, has always put me off but maybe their update will be less futuristic than the Golf, will wait and see!
Here’s the new Leon interior - pretty similar to the mk8 Golf’s.
- Same infotainment screen as the mk8 Golf, but less integrated and IMO looks very ‘stuck-on’, iPad style.
- Same approach to interior controls as in the Golf - i.e. removal of physical buttons and switches
- Location of the touchpad to control the lights IMO is very poorly positioned; low down and away from the driver’s line of sight, making it difficult to use safely while driving. The touchpad also now also accommodates the control for the rear screen heater (like the Golf). I suppose at least the lighting control touchpad in the Golf is higher up. What was wrong with the previous VAG rotary light control, and a conveniently located rear screen heater switch, both of which could be operated safely just by touch? Cost cutting at the expense of safety, although to be fair to VAG, other manufacturers seem to be doing the same.
(https://i.postimg.cc/j5ZyZB7z/C94-E966-B-23-F8-41-F7-8167-BA95-C0-B8-BF47.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I had a Peugeot as a hire car last year for work, that was all touchscreen for everything and I hated it, having to go from the radio page to the climate page to adjust one thing was so hard whilst driving and your finger moving about with the motion of a moving car, like people have said it just isn't safe.
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After seeing the SEAT above I think the VW empire has shot themselfs in the foot.
Not keeping one brand with easy to use simple buttons is massively restricting your market.
What about all the old people who have probably been loyal to you for decades due to your cars simplicity and don't want all this modern tech in a car. I know my mother, uncles etc wouldn't want a car with controls like these and im sure they are not the only ones of their generation.
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After seeing the SEAT above I think the VW empire has shot themselfs in the foot.
Not keeping one brand with easy to use simple buttons is massively restricting your market.
What about all the old people who have probably been loyal to you for decades due to your cars simplicity and don't want all this modern tech in a car. I know my mother, uncles etc wouldn't want a car with controls like these and im sure they are not the only ones of their generation.
Completely agree. No doubt the ‘bean counters’ in VAG’s Ivory Tower were instrumental in the decision to remove physical buttons, switches and knobs to save a few quid. Did they consider their loyal traditional customer base when making that decision? Maybe, but the decided to do it anyway because of the likely cost savings. Touchpads and touchscreens will be cheaper for VAG to use as they don’t have any moving parts. I bet they won’t be cheap to replace if / when the fail outside the warranty period though!
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I don't like the idea of all these touch sensors and screens, far prefer physical buttons, but - what is VW supposed to do? That's the way of the world now like it or not. They have to move with the times or even try and be a bit ahead or the product will appear old fashioned. Many of us on here may well be of the bit older generation, struggling with hair retention and colour, Norwegian blond.... We are an important customer base for VW but the youngsters out there are too, there's plenty of them and they want the new tech regardless. Plus they will be customers way past we will be :whistle:
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After seeing the SEAT above I think the VW empire has shot themselfs in the foot.
Not keeping one brand with easy to use simple buttons is massively restricting your market.
What about all the old people who have probably been loyal to you for decades due to your cars simplicity and don't want all this modern tech in a car. I know my mother, uncles etc wouldn't want a car with controls like these and im sure they are not the only ones of their generation.
The Golf and its ilk are aimed at the quick turnover easy finance and lease market. As far as VW are concerned the next move for everyone is an electric car and are pushing the iPad styled interfaces on customers now who they assume are reasonably tech savvy. Cheapness of manufacture and easy to assemble is where it’s at. Disposable cars. The interfaces will gradually be honed just like with smartphones and TV’s.
Unfortunately the amount of people walking about with shattered phone screens and backs kind of points to the safety aspect of trying to use buttonless gadgets on the move!
Maybe VW think the older generation are either tech savvy silver surfers or will buy a Polo (or just as likely a mini-SUV based on the Polo chassis) instead. I’m sure they’ll have done some sort of customer profiling and development testing.
Much easier to hook younger buyers into finance schemes and try and keep them brand loyal with a new finance plan every couple years than dealing with older people that probably want to keep their cars for longer and expect either value for money or perceived quality.
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As I said before.... SpaceX use a touch screen while their crew are shaken like a frog in a blender. One false move and its wipe out.
I think probably you should be able to change the radio channel going down a road without dying.
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As I said before.... SpaceX use a touch screen while their crew are shaken like a frog in a blender. One false move and its wipe out.
I think probably you should be able to change the radio channel going down a road without dying.
That's a fair point actually :grin:
Time will tell, I'm sure when I see a new GTI in the flesh I'll go week at the knees and forget about all of that :grin:
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As I said before.... SpaceX use a touch screen while their crew are shaken like a frog in a blender. One false move and its wipe out.
I think probably you should be able to change the radio channel going down a road without dying.
But it is more about taking you eyes off where you are going, not whether you change the radio preset instead of anything else. At least with the rocket they won't run into something whilst making adjustments so I don't think it's a fair comparison.
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No but on their touch screen is a button that fires the abort system. Guaranteed it's on the at all times and not buried in a sub menu. Might not want to accidentally press that and I'm also quite sure it doesn't ask if you are sure...
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As I said before.... SpaceX use a touch screen while their crew are shaken like a frog in a blender. One false move and its wipe out.
I think probably you should be able to change the radio channel going down a road without dying.
But it is more about taking you eyes off where you are going, not whether you change the radio preset instead of anything else. At least with the rocket they won't run into something whilst making adjustments so I don't think it's a fair comparison.
This^^^
When I'm driving down the road I'm watching the car in front, the berk behind me who is far too close, the schhol child up ahead on his bike who is wobbling all over the place, anticipating if the traffic lights up ahead are going to chamge, deciding if the drizzel has become heavy enough to put my wipers on, watching the school kids up ahead at the bus stop who are pushing and shoving in case one of them ends up in the road, watching the ice-cream van parked on the other side of the road in case a child runs out from behind it and deciding if I need to scratch my arse. And you now want me to do all of this without looking at the road? Sorry, but no. I absolutely love my 7.5 GTI but in 25 years of motoring it is my first VAG so I have no brand loyalty. When the time comes, I WILL be buying a car with physical controls. And don't get me started on voice commands :)
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As I said before.... SpaceX use a touch screen while their crew are shaken like a frog in a blender. One false move and its wipe out.
I think probably you should be able to change the radio channel going down a road without dying.
But it is more about taking you eyes off where you are going, not whether you change the radio preset instead of anything else. At least with the rocket they won't run into something whilst making adjustments so I don't think it's a fair comparison.
This^^^
When I'm driving down the road I'm watching the car in front, the berk behind me who is far too close, the schhol child up ahead on his bike who is wobbling all over the place, anticipating if the traffic lights up ahead are going to chamge, deciding if the drizzel has become heavy enough to put my wipers on, watching the school kids up ahead at the bus stop who are pushing and shoving in case one of them ends up in the road, watching the ice-cream van parked on the other side of the road in case a child runs out from behind it and deciding if I need to scratch my arse. And you now want me to do all of this without looking at the road? Sorry, but no. I absolutely love my 7.5 GTI but in 25 years of motoring it is my first VAG so I have no brand loyalty. When the time comes, I WILL be buying a car with physical controls. And don't get me started on voice commands :)
Agree,
I’m not a technophobe, and I’m not against manufacturers fitting touch screens in cars, but for basic everyday functions, IMO conventional physical buttons and switches that are easy to locate and operate while driving are far safer and less distracting to use than having find a submenu that’s ‘buried’ deep somewhere within a touchscreen.
IMO, touchscreens for pretty much everything is taking form over function to the extreme, and in some instances, at the expense of safety.
BMW seem to have struck a good balance between touchscreens and physical controls in their latest model range - here’s the latest 1 series set-up;
(https://i.postimg.cc/Df5d3N3j/90-ACBACA-C553-4-FBE-9998-78-E6-BF009-F73.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vv7j9JFQ/D77-DA8-FA-0897-40-B6-8830-892-A54-A01-B36.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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The new 1 series interior is pretty spot on.
I see the TV advertising for the new Golf has started in earnest.
Same for the Leon, seems like both models are released simultaneously.
The Leon advert is certainly more appealing to my eyes.
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@Exonian; agree on the BMW 1 Series interior.
I’ve not seen the TV advertising for the mk8 Golf yet. I have seen the Leon TV ad and agree it looks more appealing than the pictures and online video reviews I’ve seen of the Golf.
I think that Seat have picked the right colour in Desire Red for TV advertising, which seems to show the car off in its best light - most of the cars in online video reviews of the Leon have also been Desire Red too. Looking at the the colour options for Leon though (non metallic red or white and metallic blue, grey, black or white), the colour palette is pretty uninspiring.
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Mk8 advert was on the telly a lot last night, used Martin Kemp and his son and some other reality ‘celebrity’.
Colour was the light metallic green, not my choice but each to their own.
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I think that Seat have picked the right colour in Desire Red for TV advertising, which seems to show the car off in its best light - most of the cars in online video reviews of the Leon have also been Desire Red too. Looking at the the colour options for Leon though (non metallic red or white and metallic blue, grey, black or white), the colour palette is pretty uninspiring.
I'd take the Desire Red or Mystery Blue from the Leon over anything that's currently available in the Golf colour palette.
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I think that Seat have picked the right colour in Desire Red for TV advertising, which seems to show the car off in its best light - most of the cars in online video reviews of the Leon have also been Desire Red too. Looking at the the colour options for Leon though (non metallic red or white and metallic blue, grey, black or white), the colour palette is pretty uninspiring.
I'd take the Desire Red or Mystery Blue from the Leon over anything that's currently available in the Golf colour palette.
And metallic Desire Red (or any metallic paint colour for that matter) on the
Leon Seat is a no cost option, whereas VW will charge you £625 for metallic paint on the mk8 Golf.
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I think that Seat have picked the right colour in Desire Red for TV advertising, which seems to show the car off in its best light - most of the cars in online video reviews of the Leon have also been Desire Red too. Looking at the the colour options for Leon though (non metallic red or white and metallic blue, grey, black or white), the colour palette is pretty uninspiring.
I'd take the Desire Red or Mystery Blue from the Leon over anything that's currently available in the Golf colour palette.
And metallic Desire Red (or any metallic paint colour for that matter) on the
Leon Seat is a no cost option, whereas VW will charge you £625 for metallic paint on the mk8 Golf.
Paint has got more expensive then. Weren't metallics £550 on the Mk7.5?
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I think that Seat have picked the right colour in Desire Red for TV advertising, which seems to show the car off in its best light - most of the cars in online video reviews of the Leon have also been Desire Red too. Looking at the the colour options for Leon though (non metallic red or white and metallic blue, grey, black or white), the colour palette is pretty uninspiring.
I'd take the Desire Red or Mystery Blue from the Leon over anything that's currently available in the Golf colour palette.
And metallic Desire Red (or any metallic paint colour for that matter) on the
Leon Seat is a no cost option, whereas VW will charge you £625 for metallic paint on the mk8 Golf.
Paint has got more expensive then. Weren't metallics £550 on the Mk7.5?
£570 at launch, then it was up to £580 in the 2018 price rises, then went up to £625 in the April 2019 price rises. :)
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I thought £550 for metallic was enough. And does your £625 get you over the ‘free’ colour? The process to paint the car is exactly the same (the exception is Oryx White*) - whether it’s a the solid ‘free’ colour or a metallic colour; the car will get a primer coat, base colour coat and then clear coat. £625 sounds and awful lot of money for what amounts to a small amount of aluminium powder / metal flakes that’s added to a base colour coat.
Having said that, if the free colour is still Urano Grey, I would pay extra for a different / better colour.
*Oryx White; there’s an extra stage in the painting process.
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https://youtu.be/BsPNANeSD3M
Volkswizard first impressions on YouTube.
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Auto Express 10th June has a first test.
Four stars and does comment on the touch screen and cabin noise
And Autocar said Our test car permitted just a shade too much surface noise and vibration into the cabin for that to be true and felt just a little too keen to become excitable over uneven roads.
The 130PS non-e engine getting 65mpg on a motorway run.
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I've heard if you order now you get a free member of spandeau ballet thrown in.
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True.
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True.
I see what you did there :grin: - I’m old enough to remember the 1980’s :smiley:
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It clearly was the reason for that dreadful signature colour too...
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Gold.
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Top Gear review of the mk8 Golf;
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/volkswagen/golf-mk8
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Top Gear review of the mk8 Golf;
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/volkswagen/golf-mk8
"We’re slightly unconvinced by the dash – the screens don’t look very integrated, resembling an engineers’ test system that’s been hacked into a last-gen car. And their glossy plastic surround looks cheap.
And in many ways it’s annoying to use. There’s no volume knob, only a capacitive slider that sometimes does and sometimes doesn’t respond to your fingertip. Shortcut buttons to take you directly to screens for climate, driver assist, and park assist, which is good. Unfortunately they’re tiny, badly marked and not that easy to reach.
There wasn’t a whole bunch wrong with the Mk7 Golf. And actually, most of the time in the new one we longed for the clarity of the old car’s infotainment. While some of the new system’s functions are proper wow-factor stuff, the no-buttons pratfall dismays us."
That sums up 100% why I won't be going for a Mk8 Golf, and why I think the 8.5 will see the return of lots of physical buttons to sway back Mk 7 owners who will be in the market (if they are still interested) for a new car. If I were a betting man, I'd say VW 'locked in' the lack of physical buttons before the market started questioning/backlashing, and they are now stuck with it until LCI.
Personally I think VW have dropped a big clanger with this one, sure they will still sell but all the reviews are saying the same thing, so for those non company buyers/leasers, this, I think, will be a big factor.
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If its only the layout of the screens AND VW have OTA software updates.... there is no reason why they couldn't have another stab at this.
Well, other than the car industry seem to be utterly disconnected from the digital world.
I did see BMW are releasing Android Auto support for the Idrive7 this month.... both free and OTA. So maybe someone in Germany understands you can actually do that.
I'm guessing VW didn't do proper user acceptance testing, or picked the wrong focus group to do it or just didn't give them enough test time.... or conversely they DID have an extended test, much longer than these journalists get the cars for and that after a couple of days of using it everyone found it made perfect sense.
Given the amount of seeming hate the Mk7.5's AID had when it came out - hate from people who had never driven a car with it. Once you have it, you don't want to go back it seems...
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@kmpowell; that just about sums up my feelings on the mk8 Golf.
In Volkswizard’s recent ‘first impressions’ video on the mk8 (link posted by king monkey earlier in this thread), his initial view was that with voice control and the steering wheel buttons, it probably won’t be necessary to physically use the touchscreen much at all. He had the use of the mk8 for 72 hours, so it’ll be interesting to see if he still feels the same way after having used the car for a few days. Voice control is fine if it can recognise and understand regional accents and dialects, but the functionality in some manufacturers cars isn’t that successful at doing this.
I agree with Fred about UAT and focus groups - maybe insufficient testing time and the perhaps the profile of the focus group was wrong. I think many long standing, more mature existing Golf owners who may not be all that tech-savvy are likely to look elsewhere when they’re due to replace their existing Golf. I did read on another forum a while back that Honda went for the buttonless approach in one of their cars, only to revert back to conventional controls as part of an early facelift.
@fredgroves; I do think that acceptance of the AID is slightly a different scenario to acceptance of a touchscreen. With the AID it is just a display that you only need to glance at, so driver interaction is basically the same as it is with analogue dials. With a touch screen though, you’d need to physically locate and touch a specific area of the screen to operate certain functions that may be buried in a sub menu - all while driving and trying to focus on the road ahead at the same time.
Using the touchscreen in the mk8 Golf may feel entirely natural after a few days. However, as @kmpowell has said, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see some conventional physical controls reappear in the mk8.5 either. Time will tell, although we may all be on the ID3 forum by then :grin: with a similar buttonless interior to the mk8 Golf.
I’m looking forward to Volkswizard’s follow up video review :smiley:.
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I am just thinking about my daily use of my Mk7.5....
I never touch the heater controls by and large (thats what auto climate does) except for defrosting the car in the winter... when i am stationary.
The headlights are on auto, the wipers on auto....
What else do I touch other than the actual driving bits? (pedals, steering, gearstick)
I wonder if we aren't actually over thinking this?
The main thing I touch is audio and sat nav and those are already touch screen....
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So in the future cars will get the messages that the motorway gantries get? That'll be a fog warning then in bright sunshine for mile after mile after mile.......
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So in the future cars will get the messages that the motorway gantries get? That'll be a fog warning then in bright sunshine for mile after mile after mile.......
Yes thats V2X.... its quite interesting, but i expect like everything like that the UK implementation will be rubbish.
Take the old fashioned RDS/TMC.... in France and Germany they use that perfectly - the messages are used for everything, precise and clear when the problem clears. Its amazing. It really works. Its 30 years old...
Here.... the roadworks aren't signalled, the things which are flagged are flagged hours after they happen and remain flagged for hours/days afterwards too.
The new V2x will probably turn out to be the same in the UK, but none the less it is interesting and the vehicle to vehicle comms will probably be the first thing you see work.
Things it is designed to do:
Forward collision warning
Lane change warning/blind spot warning
Emergency electric brake light warning
Intersection movement assist
Emergency vehicle approaching
Roadworks warning
Platooning
The latter is really interesting...
And those btw are V2X capabilities, not VW ones. Ie VW wrote just a compliant vehicle system for it, the nature and source of the messages come from elsewhere. Although I expect a Mk8 will do things like broadcast lane changes and braking etc.
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I never touch the heater controls by and large (thats what auto climate does) except for defrosting the car in the winter... when i am stationary.
I'm the complete opposite, I've never used 'Auto' for the HVAC in any of the cars I've owned, and I can't envisage a situation where I would. HVAC settings is a very personal thing IMO, and personal tastes/situations vary so much that it's impossible to find a system where Auto works for everybody.
Every car journey I make, I change/tweak the HVAC settings somehow. Doing that via touch screen fills me with dread, especially as using the main touchscreen controls for Audio/Carplay etc is a bit of a PITA when on the move, especially on A/B roads.
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How strange!
Other than max heating to clear the windscreen or maybe max cooling when its red hot and both for a few minutes, I don't touch it at all. Its set to 22 all year round.
If its cold I might turn on the seat heaters but I've only found I like that after 2.5 years of having the Mk7.5 (didn't have them on the Mk7 before)
I definitely think i could use voice control just fine for the limited use I have.
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How strange!
Other than max heating to clear the windscreen or maybe max cooling when its red hot and both for a few minutes, I don't touch it at all. Its set to 22 all year round.
Off the top of my head, each journey I will generally fiddle/tinker with one or more of following, depending on time of day and weather/temp:
Temp - between Lo and 22
Direction/combination of blowers - normally just at the screen, but if hot then I'll push to main face and feet and/or back if kids are in the car.
Strength of fan - high when first starting up. then between 1 and 3 notches depending on the weather situation. Also on high in the heat of the summer.
A/C on/off depending on temperature outside.
Max on when first getting in depending on the weather.
Recirc button - used a lot when going into/in/out congested areas and/or following buses/diesels etc
:)
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Mine is mostly off at the moment while I enjoy some relatively fresh air!
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Mine is mostly off at the moment while I enjoy some relatively fresh air!
You should be OK in a mk8 then, as the windows (and presumably pano roof, if it’s available on the mk8) are still operated by conventional switches :smiley:.
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Mine is mostly off at the moment while I enjoy some relatively fresh air!
You should be OK in a mk8 then, as the windows (and presumably pano roof, if it’s available on the mk8) are still operated by conventional switches :smiley:.
The roof looks likely to be more resistant to breaking too!
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I am just thinking about my daily use of my Mk7.5....
I never touch the heater controls by and large (thats what auto climate does) except for defrosting the car in the winter... when i am stationary.
The headlights are on auto, the wipers on auto....
What else do I touch other than the actual driving bits? (pedals, steering, gearstick)
I wonder if we aren't actually over thinking this?
The main thing I touch is audio and sat nav and those are already touch screen....
Whereas my usage is the polar opposite. I adjust the temp daily and sometimes several times each drive to suit my preference at the time and the changing daily weather. Then my wife and family will have differing needs to me and ask me to adjust to their preferences. I use the fresh/recon air function multiple times each trip due to our roads being infested with ancient diesels belching stinking, carcinogenic soot into my cabin. etc etc etc.
To me, the Mk8's button-less dash is a complete, 100% deal breaker. No way in hell am I signing up for that. And voice activation frippery doesn't cut it for me, either.
As I've said previously, there are many fine alternatives to a Golf which still have dash buttons for critical functions, so that is where my money will be going next time.
Edit: D'oh! Just saw KMPowell's posts above. Nice to know I'm not alone :grin:
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I'm a fiddler, so to speak, and all this drift towards touch screen technology is putting me right off. Nor do I want to talk to my car - I'm mad enough as it is.
I really cannot see how this squares with the approach to mobile phones.
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Had a good look at a white MK8 today whilst waiting for my car to be serviced. It was a hands off from the outside only look and conveniently it was parked next to a few MK7.5s for comparison. Not sure what model it was but it was a manual and looked fairly basic. The dash layout was okay, not what I would choose but not enough to entirely put me off, the 7.5 looks a little dated in comparison but is what I prefer. The small touch panels were difficult to assess through the window but did not have any air of a quality look about them. The exposed key hole on the drivers door looked cheap, the handles all appeared to have little lights on them unless they were some form of sensor, if they were lights then I'm not sure of the point of them.
The overall styling of the bodywork isn't too far off a MK7 although the high swage line continues through the rear quarter lining up with the rear lights. It's still clearly a Golf but I feel it has been changed only just enough, not to create a new car. The rear lights are in keeping with other VW models. But, those headlights and the front end. Really, what have they done. It looks like they have made a mistake and fitted the front from a different car. Did the designer who did that know what car it was for? No matter how many times I looked, no matter from what angle, it looks wrong. I wouldn't go as far to say hideous or awful, but it is just wrong. They will have to make the R and the GTI versions truly amazing to overcome that front. And it's not just because it was a base model, it was parked next to a base 7.5 and that looked so much better.
I could've been a MK8 customer prior to buying my TCR, but I'm so glad I grabbed a 7.5 whilst I could. They say the MK8 is a more refined drive but that alone wouldn't tempt me, it's not like mine is terrible to drive :laugh:. Sorry VW, for now you can keep your MK8, it's not for me.
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@Watts; good to hear your view on the mk8 after having seen one in the metal. I think the Golf certainly got the short straw as far as looks are concerned - IMO its siblings (the new models of the A3, Leon and Octavia) all look better.
The bad news is that ‘the powers that be’ within VW who sign off the design of new models obviously like the headlamp ‘eyebrows’ as it looks as if they’ll be making an appearance on the facelifted Tiguan. IMO they look better on the Tiguan than they do on the Golf - maybe because the inner section of the headlamp unit nearest to the grille doesn’t step up and get narrower like it does on the mk8 Golf;
https://www.carscoops.com/2020/02/facelifted-2021-vw-tiguan-spied-free-of-any-camouflage/
I dare say the Tiguan’s interior will also follow the same approach as that used in the mk8 Golf; all touchscreens / touch-pads and no buttons. So for anyone who’s in the market for a new Tiguan, if you’re not keen VW’s current approach to car design, now might be a good time to start looking.
Maybe over time, we’ll come to like the looks of the mk8 Golf - or at least become more accepting of them. I can remember when Audi first introduced the large, deep radiator grille on their cars (around 2003?). I really didn’t like it at the time but for a good few years now, I think it looks fine. In fact an Audi A3 with the large front grille was on my shortlist when I bought my mk5 Golf back in 2007.
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I honestly don't know why anyone is still hating? Sure the stupid base model in yellow in the dealers looks pants, but so did the Mk7 base model.
The GTI (which is what this forum is about...) looks like this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/59ZHF5Jp/Screenshot_2020-05-23_at_14.35.35.png)
That is far from a fail IMHO.
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I'm disliking the front end as what I've seen in the flesh had plenty to dislike. I'm not hating it, it is only a car and I did say I wouldn't go as far as describing it as hideous or awful. Plus I was comparing like for like, two base models. The image you've posted of the GTI does look better but, I think in the flesh it will still suffer from the same issues as the base model, the lights are just too low down. I'll be happy to say that's not true though once I've seen a GTI in the flesh and I like it but I somehow doubt that'll be the case.
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I have to say my thoughts mirror Watts’ having seen a yellow dealer car and a black ‘onthe road’ car.
Watts’ post summed it up perfectly for me.
When sat trying not to nod off during the Volkswizard mk8 collection vid as Andrew ran through the features in his usual sensible fairly open minded way, I couldn’t take my eyes off the white TCR sat in the background thinking what a great finale it is to the model in all areas.
The GTI picture there posted by fredgroves doesn’t in any way invoke the same feelings. The gaping gob and the low low headlights look a bit like it’s trying too hard where as the mk7 GTI has natural good proportions.
I’m far from discounting a mk8 in the future as the R with 330 bhp might actually be a step forward but I can honestly say the base model mk7’s weren’t anywhere near as controversially received at launch even though they did provoke some criticism.
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Its almost certainly to do with various regulations about bonnet height (pedestrian safety), maybe headlight height too.
If you look at end of the similar models that are new around now, they all have the same "front end styling". I don't think its accidental.
Talking of regulations, I was reading that some new reg from 2020 has reduced exhaust noise.... apparently the M135i after Feb 2020 is considerably quieter than before because of it.
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I'm warming to the exterior looks. It's the interior I don't like.
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I don’t think the very large honeycomb shaped holes in the lower grille help the GTI’s styling. Why on earth did the honeycomb holes need to be that large? Leaves the radiator and a/c condenser very exposed to damage from flying stones and other road debris. A grill with a smaller, more subtle honeycomb pattern would have looked better IMO, and provided more protection.
Hopefully VW will have a large stock of radiators and condensers available for when owners need replacements.
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Hi Guys
I’ve just been watching Andrew from Volkswizard on his full review of mk8.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fYcMJUfIf-g (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fYcMJUfIf-g)
Hopefully the link will appear above, apologises if IT skills mean it doesn’t.
Seems like a good open minded full review of most aspects of car. It’s certainly worth a watch and does a good comparison between mk7 features and quality.
Watts - he mentions the doors and there are small puddle lights in the handles.
I am reasonably optimistic (or is that desperately hoping) that the performance models will look better than the basic models, however I agree with others that on the GTI the honeycombed area just seems too expansive and should have been styled further.
Internally, I very much fit into the sceptical camp on use of so much touch screen and controls. But willing to give it a try (well a decent test drive). I am not sure either on voice control fine if it works but could end up losing your temper will I could.
I dug out the Golf GTI presentation on VW website and it did mention presales for GTI as from summer (obviously for continent) (this was published in May) so Fred probably right that we will be lucky to see a customer car before 2021.
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@AndyGTI; I watched it during the early hours this morning. While it’s a more informative and open minded view of the mk8 than many I’ve seen - and has probably helped me dislike it a little less, I still can’t bring myself to say I like it better than the mk7.5 :grin:. It’s useful to hear the views of someone who’s ‘lived’ with the car though, and their likes and dislikes compared to the previous generation car, and some of the things you only become aware of after a period of prolonged use, rather than a 30 minute test drive.
While I’d noticed quite a few of the bodywork panel differences compared to the mk7 / mk7.5, I’d not spotted all of them that were pointed out in the video. I agree with the comments on the wheels - IMO those 17” wheels certainly do look too small and I personally don’t like the design of them. Andrew at Volkswizard points out the double bonnet catches as a positive and an example of VW upping the quality stakes in some areas of the mk8 over the mk7/mk7.5. I think the double catches are now a safety requirement though, rather than VW upping the quality stakes; the current model Polo has these, and I think any recently introduced new VAG models also have them - judging by some of the online video reviews I’ve watched.
Something I don’t buy into is the need for so many different colour options for the interior ambient lighting and infotainment screen display - do we really need so many colour choices? I’d probably only ever use a colour that co-ordinated with the paint colour of the car (no doubt down to my car OCD! :grin:) so if I had, say, a red car, I doubt I’d ever use any of the many shades of orange or green or purple for interior ambient lighting).
Slightly off topic but mk8 related; something not covered in Volkswizard’s review as I think it’s GTI-specific is the pulsing red illumination of the keyless start button on the GTI. Quite a few online reviews have focused on this feature, which makes me think the reviewers are struggling to find positive things to say about the GTi. Would I care if the keyless start button pulsed like a heartbeat? I don’t think so. Hopefully when reviewers have an opportunity to drive the mk8 GTI there’ll be lots of positive comments on the way it drives and handles.
All in all though, a decent review by Volkswizard. I’ll look forward to seeing the Volkswizard review of the GTI when the car eventually makes it to the UK.
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I doubt any reviewer is genuinely looking at much of the car at all.
And even if they are, most of the driving bits are very subjective.
Things like it has XYZ feature (eg the start button) or has a 0-60mph of x.x seconds are hard facts.
Trying to describe how its better than the last one at actually driving? I think you'd need to be a certain sort to be able to describe that. Other than of course trying laptimes or something lame vs the Mk7.5.
The review you are really looking for is someone who had a Mk7.x who got to drive the equivalent spec Mk8 for a month or 6 months.
That's what we all here want to hear.... and the place where you will find that.... is here, in about a years time.
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The VolksWizard review was on point.
I did wonder if it would be a bit held back in regards to criticism being as Andrew is wanting to get on the guest list for VW press days, but as hoped for it was fair and concise and totally unscripted.
It was certainly the view us repeat owners would have as regards to details that would be lost on brand swappers, and I think that is important as overall Golf sales do rely on a lot of repeat customers.
Lots of very fair points brought up and taking into consideration the time restrictions he had I’m sure further thought and reflection will be made in future videos.
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Quite sure in a couple of years there's going to be a booming market on MK8 bonnet hydraulic after market kits :D :D
Really not too sure about Andrews views on the door handles though. Having the lock barrel open like that reminds me of my Vauxhall Astra from years ago, where after sometime dirt and crap would either work it's way into the barrel or the external flap would corrode up.
Just looked at the R-Line on the VW web site and TBH, that actually doesn't look too bad externally, but there's a lot of options you need to tick to bring it up to MK7.5 GTI type equipment levels which really do push the price up. If VW UK stick to form, and to be fair to them present the UK market with a very well specified "standard" GTI or R, I shudder to think what the base price will be ?
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The Mk7 & 7.5 R Line's were also lacking in kit compared to the GTi, that's not a Mk8 thing. They've always worked out expensive when you tick loads of boxes on the options list.
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Here is a comprehensive inspection of a Mk 8 Golf that goes through the exterior and interior equipment and design but does not include a test drive. It has many interesting details. Quite informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTxsByvjQ6g
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One of the more objective, balanced reviews I’ve seen of the mk8 Golf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbt4jsLvTjQ&list=PL1C8EA6AE22E2B6DA&index=3
I agree with the reviewer on the interior trim colour of the car he’s driving - not practical for a daily driver, and likely to get grubby very quickly.
Some of the reviewer’s responses to the comments below the video are also interesting - he acknowledges and agrees it seems there’s been a step down in quality compared to the mk7 / mk7.5, and that the software issues he experienced during the period he had the car became annoying (multiple error messages from different systems). The infotainment screen did seem to take for ever to boot up at the beginning of the video.
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With every new review that I watch, the Golf 8 seems to get uglier and uglier. It's not merely bland, it's actively repulsive. That grey colour is the worst yet. How on earth did they mess it up so badly?
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....Why on earth did the honeycomb holes need to be that large? Leaves the radiator and a/c condenser very exposed to damage from flying stones and other road debris. A grill with a smaller, more subtle honeycomb pattern would have looked better IMO, and provided more protection.
Hopefully VW will have a large stock of radiators and condensers available for when owners need replacements.
That's true but I suppose the Golf R has 2 large lower air vents with radiators behind them that are totally open so they must be confident no damage will take place.
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With every new review that I watch, the Golf 8 seems to get uglier and uglier. It's not merely bland, it's actively repulsive. That grey colour is the worst yet. How on earth did they mess it up so badly?
Funnily enough the colour was about the only thing I did like about the car!
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Going with trend of there being nothing compelling about switching to a MK 8 or purchasing a run out MK 7.5 off the forecourt is these images of the MK 8 GTI TCR
https://www.motor1.com/news/422752/vw-golf-gti-tcr-no-camo/ (https://www.motor1.com/news/422752/vw-golf-gti-tcr-no-camo/)
Maybe there is more trim to come, but just looking at these images on face value, the front end is awful, one huge gaping grin, the rear diffuser is very muted and nowhere near as nice as the MK 7.5 TCR with the Akrapovic lost
However, do like the rear spoiler, that would be the only add can see.
The rendered front end looks much better https://www.motor1.com/news/391961/vw-gti-286-horsepower-rumor/ (https://www.motor1.com/news/391961/vw-gti-286-horsepower-rumor/)
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Going with trend of there being nothing compelling about switching to a MK 8 or purchasing a run out MK 7.5 off the forecourt is these images of the MK 8 GTI TCR
https://www.motor1.com/news/422752/vw-golf-gti-tcr-no-camo/ (https://www.motor1.com/news/422752/vw-golf-gti-tcr-no-camo/)
Maybe there is more trim to come, but just looking at these images on face value, the front end is awful, one huge gaping grin, the rear diffuser is very muted and nowhere near as nice as the MK 7.5 TCR with the Akrapovic lost
However, do like the rear spoiler, that would be the only add can see.
The rendered front end looks much better https://www.motor1.com/news/391961/vw-gti-286-horsepower-rumor/ (https://www.motor1.com/news/391961/vw-gti-286-horsepower-rumor/)
Agree, I saw the first image over on golfmk7.com the other day. That lower grille is not nice at all IMO.
I think the lower grille in the render (2nd link) is probably a good indication of what the mk8 R will look like, with horizontal slats in the centre section of the lower grille rather than a honeycomb section. I agree, the rendered image at the second link does look better than the car at the first link.
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It needs some body coloured panels in the front bumper just to break up that huge expanse of grill IMO, to break it into 3 distinct sections.
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It needs some body coloured panels in the front bumper just to break up that huge expanse of grill IMO, to break it into 3 distinct sections.
Totally agree, the render looks quite good, in line with how some others are going, such as the Audi A3 https://www.carwow.co.uk/audi/news/4199/audi-s3-price-specs-release (https://www.carwow.co.uk/audi/news/4199/audi-s3-price-specs-release)
But if that is the front of the GTI TCR then its nothing short of ugly, so lets hope its just for testing purposes.
Seems the MK8 R looks much more like you would hope https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-2020-volkswagen-golf-r-unwrapped-nurburgring-tests (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-2020-volkswagen-golf-r-unwrapped-nurburgring-tests)
Does seem like the MK 8 GTI/R spoiler is more aggressive, and an improvement over my TCR which is quite understated with its little additional lip
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It needs some body coloured panels in the front bumper just to break up that huge expanse of grill IMO, to break it into 3 distinct sections.
Totally agree, the render looks quite good, in line with how some others are going, such as the Audi A3 https://www.carwow.co.uk/audi/news/4199/audi-s3-price-specs-release (https://www.carwow.co.uk/audi/news/4199/audi-s3-price-specs-release)
But if that is the front of the GTI TCR then its nothing short of ugly, so lets hope its just for testing purposes.
Seems the MK8 R looks much more like you would hope https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-2020-volkswagen-golf-r-unwrapped-nurburgring-tests (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-2020-volkswagen-golf-r-unwrapped-nurburgring-tests)
Does seem like the MK 8 GTI/R spoiler is more aggressive, and an improvement over my TCR which is quite understated with its little additional lip
That white mk8 R in the Autocar pictures is still wearing some camouflage- those wide angled white sections in the lower front grille are covering the details of the actual grille and the upper section of the outer grilles in the front bumper are covered in white tape.
The final version of the mk8 R’s front grille probably is more like the GTI TCR render at the first link in your post from yesterday.
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It needs some body coloured panels in the front bumper just to break up that huge expanse of grill IMO, to break it into 3 distinct sections.
Totally agree, the render looks quite good, in line with how some others are going, such as the Audi A3 https://www.carwow.co.uk/audi/news/4199/audi-s3-price-specs-release (https://www.carwow.co.uk/audi/news/4199/audi-s3-price-specs-release)
But if that is the front of the GTI TCR then its nothing short of ugly, so lets hope its just for testing purposes.
Seems the MK8 R looks much more like you would hope https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-2020-volkswagen-golf-r-unwrapped-nurburgring-tests (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-2020-volkswagen-golf-r-unwrapped-nurburgring-tests)
Does seem like the MK 8 GTI/R spoiler is more aggressive, and an improvement over my TCR which is quite understated with its little additional lip
That white mk8 R in the Autocar pictures is still wearing some camouflage- those wide angled white sections in the lower front grille are covering the details of the actual grille and the upper section of the outer grilles in the front bumper are covered in white tape.
The final version of the mk8 R’s front grille probably is more like the GTI TCR render at the first link in your post from yesterday.
If it is, and with the seemingly more aggressive looking spoiler the R seems to be the winner in the looks stakes out of the traps. Not liked any of the models but the R would be the exception and can actually even say the work 'like'
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Seems more and more manufacturers are going down the huge grill route (which seems to be to appease the US and Fast East markets), but as horrible as the new MK8 Golf is, it's an oil painting compared to the new BMW 4 series (no this is not a render but a production car, with the 1st models already in US showrooms) :sick: :sick:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50046418056_6f209369f0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jfqYuQ)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50046684307_d2150b54cb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jfskDn)
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Its just trends in car design. Give it a few years and you won't bat an eyelid.
I remember the Ford Sierra coming out... hardly looks radical now.
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Does anyone know whether the new Golf 8’s standard LED lights can be changed to right lane driving, like a travel mode?
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Its just trends in car design. Give it a few years and you won't bat an eyelid.
I remember the Ford Sierra coming out... hardly looks radical now.
I think you’re right. At the time when Audi rolled out their signature large radiator grille in the early 2000’s across all models, I really didn’t like it. I don’t give it a second glance now, and I doubt many people do.
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I know this may have limited appeal on here, but estate and Alltrack info now official.
https://vwpress.co.uk/en-gb/releases/4317
Seems a bit closer to the Octavia Estate now in terms of size than the previous gen.
Edit: Shares the same platform as the Octavia (unlike the Golf hatch). Hence the longer wheelbase.
https://youtu.be/jvxMSHkzocQ
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Thats going to ruffle some feathers.... the alltrack has the "GTI" fog lights... only they aren't foglights, they are apparently running lights.
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Does anyone know whether the new Golf 8’s standard LED lights can be changed to right lane driving, like a travel mode?
I imagine so, you can do that on the Mk7.5 so think its fairly standard for LEDs as my 3 Series has it aswell.
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So Joe Knight on twitter thinks that IQ lighting will be standard on performance Golfs based on the GTE his dealership is getting. Interesting
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With it being a software activation i guess chucking it in as part of a bundled model level is cheap. I've heard rumour that nav Pro might well be standard too...
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Aahh, but will they arrive with fog lights?
:wink:
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I kind of get the impression some would sooner they didn't this time lol
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Software faults in shipping versions
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=86&t=1888227
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Jeez there are a lot of problems in that thread.
Some of them not unexpected tbf, but seriously.
Anyone with Mk7 lane assist switches the thing off after 5 mins or dies of bong overload.
ACC crapping out in bad weather, is not uncommon too. More so on a Mk7.5 than a Mk7 too.
Car forgetting stuff.... both of my Mk7 and Mk7.5 did/do that. ACC distance setting gets changed magically sometimes and its only me that drives the car....
And emergency braking/collision avoidance.... yes it can be triggered. In the Mk7.5 you can adjust the sensitivity.... expect you can in the mk8 too.
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I saw that DTD are offering £3.2k off a dsg gti already. That’s with no options ticked at all.
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I saw that DTD are offering £3.2k off a dsg gti already. That’s with no options ticked at all.
Work it out and it's a round 10% discount. It's not bad but it will be better once the finance contributions start rolling in. I'm holding out to see the price of the 128ti before making my decision :grin:
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Just because I hadn't seen a Mk8 GTi in blue yet :whistle:
(https://i.postimg.cc/GtHYVV36/0fe2ad3476974a26b4275f8855de754c-800.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/PxcNpxhF/21140cf6b342489bbfb7dd55918bba82-800.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
:smiley:
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That's not a great colour for it IMHO.... bit like the black non-peformance ones, it just looks...ordinary
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The dark blues usually need bright sunlight to make them 'pop'. The rest of the time they can look quite ordinary. I used to have a Fiesta Zetec that was just the same.
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The dark colour seems to accentuate the slab-sidedness of it.
The 18's don't do it any favours either and I'm not even normally in the "must fill the wheel arches" camp (for £1k) either
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Bit like a Fiat Tipo
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Really not sure about it, the rear looks quite slab like around the tailgate and lights.
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Although the overall external design changes compared to the mk7 / mk7.5 are evolutionary, and this has tended to be VW’s approach with previous new models of the Golf, relatively small changes have resulted in a car that IMO looks somewhat ill-proportioned and ungainly.
There’ve been plenty of comments about the mk8’s ‘face’ and I think it may always divide opinion, although I think people will become more accepting of it over time. I agree with @Mag_Pie on the rear, but I’m struggling to put my finger on exactly why the rear should look slabby. I think it’s probably a combination of design elements. It may just be an optical illusion but to my eyes, it looks as if VW may have made the rear bumper deeper and the rear screen narrower, increasing the depth of the metalwork between the bumper and rear screen. Those changes give the impression of a taller body - almost SUV-like, and that’s not helped by the rear light clusters looking as if they’ve been lifted straight off the T-Roc.
I agree that dark blue paintwork on a dull day doesn’t show the car in its best light, and IMO the standard wheels don’t do it any favours either (the wheels across the whole mk8 Golf range look a bit ‘meh’ to me).
Based on early reviews, the GTI drives well, and if VW provide sufficient financial incentives to potential customers, it’ll sell well too. However, IMO it’s not one of VW’s finest efforts.
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If you search on Google, you won't find a single shot of a finished Mk8 GTI in anything other than Kings Red or White.
Probably tells you something...
Given that most of the available pallette is dark colours and people still like black.
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At the moment the MK8 leaves me thinking that it looks 'okay' but not the 'wow' that the new model usually brings and makes you want to upgrade or fall out with your current car.
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If you search on Google, you won't find a single shot of a finished Mk8 GTI in anything other than Kings Red or White.
Probably tells you something...
Given that most of the available pallette is dark colours and people still like black.
Yes, although we have seen plenty shots of the GTD in grey. The VW website also has some images in silver. Apart from the red stripe and the twin exhausts they're pretty much the same when on 19 inch wheels.
(https://i.postimg.cc/cHyYPrPS/new-cars-golf-gtd-4-3-2500x1865.png) (https://postimg.cc/3y1dvJKS)
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Really not sure about it, the rear looks quite slab like around the tailgate and lights.
To be fair, that's not the most flattering angle of the rear. Looks much better in this picture;-
(https://i.postimg.cc/hj4xtXZB/volkswagen-golf-8-gti-2020-im-test.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/063rtyqW)
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Crikey - to think I was having some doubts/regrets about choosing Atlantic Blue for my Mk 7.5 GTI PP DSG. Suddenly I feel like a very lucky boy! The Mk 7.5 in Atlantic Blue looks a hundred times better than that Mk 8 GTI - I can't decide whether the front looks worse or the rear? It's a pretty sad state of affairs for any Golf GTI to look like that :cry:
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When can you actually order the GTI and get actual costs/figures rather than ‘a place on the allocation list’?
Genuinely getting bored of waiting now.....
There are new S3’s available already, I would order one but I have an S4 so feels a bit pointless, otherwise M135i is calling & I could take delivery this week.
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I'm told vwfs should be up and running this week... But still not got my quote yet.
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It's like VW's marketing team didn't tell VW Financial Services it was being launched. Still no finance quotes after 2 weeks!
Once again, utterly urine poor Golf GTi launch by VW. :rolleyes:
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ive been told by a vw mastertech that the mk8 GTi ecu will be "locked" so the only people that can code, read codes etc will be VW, apparently they dont want anyone but VW techs to have a tinker now
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I thought that went against EU law actually.... anti-competition.... you can't have your car serviced by a non-VW dealer.
Interesting to see if the rumour about it being locked is true.
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You won't be able to use vcds, obd11 etc to do anything. It's probably got more to do with online activation than anything else.
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https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/automotive/technical-harmonisation/vehicle-repair-maintenance_en
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You can get your car serviced anywhere it's the plugging in of devices like vagcom, OBD11 etc that will be locked.
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well not anywhere if the above is the case. Rear brake pads as we all know requires VCDS or similar to retract the piston so it would be crazy if theyve locked joe soap out of doing these simple maintenance tasks. Also it would be a right pain if you cant easily reset the service interval counter via the dash as in the MK7.
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Someone found what´s up with the front Calipers?! :angry:. Same but no GTI badge?, or....
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Someone found what´s up with the front Calipers?! :angry:. Same but no GTI badge?, or....
You only got the GTI logo on the Mk7.5 PP didn't you?
These might be PP sized brakes but its not the PP/Cup/Club/TCR whatever they are calling it. Guess they are saving the stencilling for that unique model, when it comes out...
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Someone found what´s up with the front Calipers?! :angry:. Same but no GTI badge?, or....
You only got the GTI logo on the Mk7.5 PP didn't you?
These might be PP sized brakes but its not the PP/Cup/Club/TCR whatever they are calling it. Guess they are saving the stencilling for that unique model, when it comes out...
Yes but these should be the PP Brakes...but something is wrong... :sad:. Later the TCR will come with the ClibSport S Disc...but that is not the question ;)
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well not anywhere if the above is the case. Rear brake pads as we all know requires VCDS or similar to retract the piston so it would be crazy if theyve locked joe soap out of doing these simple maintenance tasks. Also it would be a right pain if you cant easily reset the service interval counter via the dash as in the MK7.
yeah agreed not just anywhere, just somewhere that's got official approved access etc.
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The locked ECU is no surprise.
With the OTA “pay as you drive“ activation for options and all of the other online features the car has I really don’t think VW want people hacking into it.
Not that it’ll stop people finding workarounds.
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As I said before, vw denying maintenance by third party garages is illegal under eu law.
Not letting you fiddle with other things isn't. In fact probably somewhere there is a an eu ruling about cyber security now cars are heavily computerised and moving to autonomous.
I can tell you that if they have made a reasonable effort at securing it, you won't be getting round it. The sort of technology they will use is the same secure boot that phones use.
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Had a mail over the weekend saying that VWFS still haven't got the GTI sorted yet and ready to quote on...
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T’was the same with Audi on the S3 launch, it was a few weeks before finance quotes were available according to a sales guy I spoke to back in July or August
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340mm or 312mm Disc in the Front?..:)
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Discount through DTD seems to be slowly improving already. Dsg gti now £31,139. 11% discount saving you £3821. Not bad.
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Hi, I’m new on here thanks for the invite. Might be of interest that the VW finance calculator is now up and running for the mk8 GTI. I also noticed that you can no longer select a manual GTI on the configurator.
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Hi, I’m new on here thanks for the invite. Might be of interest that the VW finance calculator is now up and running for the mk8 GTI. I also noticed that you can no longer select a manual GTI on the configurator.
It might just be an issue with the configurator - it’s not unknown for items of spec or even models to temporarily be removed from the configurator. The latest price list and spec guide brochure dated 02/10/2020 includes the manual version of the GTI. If the manual had been dropped. I’d expect VW to have updated the price list / spec guide to reflect this.
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Thanks, it’s interesting how VW launch such an important car like the GTI, it’s almost like they haven’t prepared for it in advance. It’s frustrating as I actually want to buy one, maybe they don’t want to make it easy for me to part with my hard earned money!
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Hi, I’m new on here thanks for the invite. Might be of interest that the VW finance calculator is now up and running for the mk8 GTI. I also noticed that you can no longer select a manual GTI on the configurator.
Just run some figures off. Even with no options it’s not good at all. Gfv of £14.5k and nearly £450pm with discount factored in. Wow.
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Hi, I’m new on here thanks for the invite. Might be of interest that the VW finance calculator is now up and running for the mk8 GTI. I also noticed that you can no longer select a manual GTI on the configurator.
Just run some figures off. Even with no options it’s not good at all. Gfv of £14.5k and nearly £450pm with discount factored in. Wow.
What sort of discount are you factoring in? Coast 2 Coast showing 14% discount including deposit contribution. :shocked:
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Hi, I’m new on here thanks for the invite. Might be of interest that the VW finance calculator is now up and running for the mk8 GTI. I also noticed that you can no longer select a manual GTI on the configurator.
Just run some figures off. Even with no options it’s not good at all. Gfv of £14.5k and nearly £450pm with discount factored in. Wow.
What sort of discount are you factoring in? Coast 2 Coast showing 14% discount including deposit contribution. :shocked:
£4.2k unfortunately!
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Amazingly, an S3 is only £20pm more. When I had my S3 it was cheaper than the gti on finance. Crazy stuff.
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Mk8 GTi dsg on VW finance configurator over 4 years 10k miles p.a.
List price £34,960
Customer deposit £6,000 (£2,500 down payment + £3,500 discount)
Deposit contribution £1,250
Monthly payment × 47 @ £376.36
Total cost if handed back at 4 years £20,188.92 (assuming no equity).
Alternatively cash purchase via Coast2Coastcars.co.uk = £30,168 after discount.
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Mk8 GTi dsg on VW finance configurator over 4 years 10k miles p.a.
List price £34,960
Customer deposit £6,000 (£2,500 down payment + £3,500 discount)
Deposit contribution £1,250
Monthly payment × 47 @ £376.36
Total cost if handed back at 4 years £20,188.92 (assuming no equity).
Alternatively cash purchase via Coast2Coastcars.co.uk = £30,168 after discount.
Dealers I’ve bought from include the contribution in the discount already. Not sure you’d get both but love to think you would. Thanks for the figures Guzzle.
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What interest rates are they offering on PCP?
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What interest rates are they offering on PCP?
5.3% Fred.
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They really don't help themselves, VW, do they? :rolleyes:
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They really don't help themselves, VW, do they? :rolleyes:
Exactly. Look at that compared to the 128 and it makes no sense really.
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Mk8 GTi dsg on VW finance configurator over 4 years 10k miles p.a.
List price £34,960
Customer deposit £6,000 (£2,500 down payment + £3,500 discount)
Deposit contribution £1,250
Monthly payment × 47 @ £376.36
Total cost if handed back at 4 years £20,188.92 (assuming no equity).
Alternatively cash purchase via Coast2Coastcars.co.uk = £30,168 after discount.
Dealers I’ve bought from include the contribution in the discount already. Not sure you’d get both but love to think you would. Thanks for the figures Guzzle.
Based my expected discount figures on this;-
(https://i.postimg.cc/pTXYjBrD/Golf-coast2coast.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) (https://postimages.org/app)
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Ah. So Coast2Coast are offering better discounts than DTD at the mo. Thanks for the info. :smiley:
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King's Red, dcc, ninteens and hud... £32,755 assuming 3k deposit and guessing 5.3% and a gfv of 14k, it's about 450 a month for three years.
Which isn't horrific but I just can't love it enough to want it.
That feels sad, given that i bought my mk7.5 without a second thought after my mk7. Actually without seeing a mk7.5 in the flesh.
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Just checked and a Mercedes A35 is cheaper on PCP due to a higher gfv and greater discount and dealer contribution. Who’s going to buy a gti? Some really stiff competition for the gti nowadays.
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On another note they’re arriving at dealers it seems...
(https://i.postimg.cc/PJg94qCz/63-A7-C5-E6-2794-43-BE-BCD2-0-C92-DD2-BDB0-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K350cxrR)
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It's the 5.4% APR and the low gfv's that's making it expensive on PCP.
At least it's not as bad as Audi's 6.1% APR on the S3. But it's still a bit of a Mickey take when BoE base rate is 0.1%. Even Skoda are offering 4.1% APR on the Octavia.
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GFV for a GTI seems to be a couple of grand more than for a 128 which helps. If that online calculator is halfway accurate it doesnt look like there is a lot in it when it comes to a base GTI vs a 128 with some options that somewhat normalise the specs.
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I've not seen the BMW figures yet, I've still got quotes outstanding for both but the BMW interest figure is quite a lot less
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I've got figures for the 128,
Cash price £32700 (inc options, delivery RFL etc and after discount)
Deposit £1300
48 x £450
Final Balloon £12788
Expecting figures for the GTI next week. I was told all that was missing from the finance system was the GFV which seems to be in place now.
On Thursday I was fully expecting to be ordering a GTI as long as the money made sense. Having sat in a 1 series msport spec today I'm not so sure - though the spec isn't nearly as generous on the 128 - the fit and finish of the cabin is leagues ahead. Looks like the money will be in much the same ballpark (at least for me - VW have intimated they will give a very generous trade in for my car, BMW have just offered book - if BMW don't budge on further negotiation then that will likely normalize the pricing).
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That bmw gfv sounds low, but can only assume that's because it's four years. Does four years make any sense for PCP? I'm not sure it does. Still seems very expensive.
Have you thought of getting a price from wbac on your current car? To me it seems like a better option.
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You know I hadn't thought about 3-4 years - that was just 'the offer' - I will ask them to recalculate for 3 years.
I've got a quote from WBAC which is higher than BMW but I'm going to wait until I've had VW's valuation as well and then see what the best basis for negotiation is.
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You know I hadn't thought about 3-4 years - that was just 'the offer' - I will ask them to recalculate for 3 years.
I've got a quote from WBAC which is higher than BMW but I'm going to wait until I've had VW's valuation as well and then see what the best basis for negotiation is.
It’s worth using the part exchange valuation tool on VW’s website to see how that compares to other p/ex valuations you get from the likes of WBAC. Also, used car prices for ‘in demand’ models have been increasing in recent months, so it’d be worth checking periodically any sources you’ve used, as you may be pleasantly surprised.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/used-cars/part-exchange#/landing
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The only thing to be aware of with wbac is that they will tyre kick. I've never had them actually offer the full amount even when I've been totally honest about scrapes and dings.
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Whole business model is based on it.
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The only thing to be aware of with wbac is that they will tyre kick. I've never had them actually offer the full amount even when I've been totally honest about scrapes and dings.
True I wasted my time with wbac would never try them again. Most with similar sounding names were exactly the same i was loosing hope. Then I tried one called Motorway they use car dealers. I turned up expecting the same all they did was just walk round no inspection and said right lets get the paperwork done.. I was so shocked as no haggle, no pull to bits, nothing so did the paper work well computer work that took only a couple minutes then realised I then had to get home without a car! Oops! Bus monkey I became :grin:
PS Motorway quoted price was also £1300 more than Wbac price before they discounted so got over 2k more than wbac. Offered.
I sound like an advert lol but I would try them again unlike all those other time wasters.
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The only thing to be aware of with wbac is that they will tyre kick. I've never had them actually offer the full amount even when I've been totally honest about scrapes and dings.
Then I tried one called Motorway they use car dealers.
Got a web address for Motorway Snoopy? Thx
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The only thing to be aware of with wbac is that they will tyre kick. I've never had them actually offer the full amount even when I've been totally honest about scrapes and dings.
Then I tried one called Motorway they use car dealers.
Got a web address for Motorway Snoopy? Thx
https://motorway.co.uk/
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That sounds interesting.
It's not the price i care about so much, it's the pantomime and deliberate air sucking through teeth and the this charge and the other charge. In the end you just feel like you've had your trousers pulled down but wasted so much time that you accept the price that was nothing like what they quoted online.
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I know the feeling. Motorway the dealer I went to simply quickly walked round the car. quick sat inside it. Got out and said "are you happy with the quoted price?" Then said "ok lets get the paperwork done." I felt guilty and even started pointed some of the faults out." We'll prep it before sale anyway" So i went inside. A minute maybe two of keyboard tapping later for DVLA transfer and bank details in and I was out the door with actually in shock and now car less. Standing outside the dealer thinking what just happened, I had to go back in to ask were nearest bus stop was as wasnt expecting to be car less. Lol. I got what the website quoted which was more than trade price and nearly what autotrader said private was. They had it up for sale a week or so later for just over a grand more then they gave me.
I guess it all depends what dealer and what salesman they send you too but I know I would use these again unlike they others I tried.
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Moonstone MK8 GTI arrived today :cool:
@vwgeeks on Twitter
Will post pictures on Twitter tomorrow once cleaned
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Moonstone MK8 GTI arrived today :cool:
@vwgeeks on Twitter
Will post pictures on Twitter tomorrow once cleaned
Just seen the photo of it with the wrapping partially on. Looks a very nice colour.
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Golf GTi in Dolphin Grey (from Instagram)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kgw2jc7M/Golf-8-GTi-Grey.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Some pics on Andrew Chapple's (Volkswizard) Instagram page of a particularly nasty looking Mk8 GTI at VW Cheltenham, in a primer grey with 18 inch wheels. I had to cover my eyes.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/LXjhrYyS/122120854-3335319609878474-198806695118.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)