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Title: Shed-esque Golf2 Syncro
Post by: Diamond Hell on 20 December 2007, 00:34
I purchased this with just under 100k on the clock for the princely sum of £155 almost three years ago.

When I collected it the tyres were shot, there was a blown flexible front brake hose and it didn't have an MOT.  I showed up the evening after the auction closed, replaced the flexi-hose on the guy's drive, bled the brakes up as I worked my way around the car, swapping out the standard wheels for some Seat alloys I happened to have lying around and drove it from there to an MOT station, where it passed in one.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/P7140001lr.jpg~original)

Someone had already blessed it with a Weber 32/34DTML carb, so I just used it for a bit as my daily, in tandem with a T25 Syncro.  The first change was to swap out the rear ARB for a Rallye one.  This stiffens the rear end considerably and removes the pig-understeer that the Syncro has out of the box.

I took it to an off road event for a laugh and here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vag98ta482Y) the video of it driving up a bloody steep slope.  I think it was on the way back from this event that I v-maxed it on the M5 and noticed it was running lumpy when I got back home - the head gasket had gone.  I got a PB head off a mate for £30 and got it skimmed and fitted this with 1p coins in the injector ports, as seen here:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/PC090019.jpg~original)

This made the motor quite spicy for not a lot of money.  It also made it even more rev-happy.

There then followed a lot of dicking about with springs and dampers, which put it at this height at one point (note cheap-assed Sebrings - I like them even if no one else does!):

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/P4080016lr.jpg~original)

This resulted in one of the top mounts being trashed, as the suspension topped out quite violently on the IOW.  Thankfully it's now at a slightly more sensible height, as seen here:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP1209.jpg~original)

Some people might still think it's too high, but it handles and can suck up bumps without being bounced off-course and stay fun and provide throttle-tuneable lines and that's what matters to me.

Prior to this photo I also installed 280mm stoppers on the front.  As it's now not my daily driver it has become solely aimed at having fun.  To improve performance I stripped out the interior in summer 2007, which made a huge difference to the straight line speed.  It also made it rise over an inch on the springs, which had me worried, but it had settled back down again the next day.  I had a couple of top days at Castle Combe in late summer:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Combe2s.JPG~original)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Combe1s.jpg~original)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_4556.jpg~original)

At the first day I still had some shagged old tyres on the back, which ran out of interest just as I ran out of talent after the Esses, which resulted in a nice 180 spin - nothing damaged except pride, so I continued and had a fantastic day.  For the second day, I was running an 'intake kit' (a bit of concertina tube from one of the spotlight holes to the air filter inlet  :grin:) - pic:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/IMGP1454S.jpg~original)

Old skool ram-air, innit  :grin:

I also had a full set of Firestone Firehawks, which proved a pretty good tyre for what's quite a low-power and very grippy car - I have big sausages of rubber on the tread blocks now!

Fast forward to the winter and the Golf now looks like this:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/PC090021.jpg~original)

The 1.8 GU motor is out, along with the rod-change gearbox.  It's being replaced with a cable-change gearbox from a Rallye and a 2.0 motor from a Passat.  This upgrade will take it to fuel injection, which necessitates an electric lift pump from a Rallye in the tank and a pressure pump where the GTI has one, too (among other things!).  These aren't the scary part of this conversion.  Due to the 4WD system, there isn't enough space for a proper downpipe on the Syncro.  To get round this big issue I'm going to be (gulp) cutting a section out of the tunnel and basically making a clutch foot-rest which will give the downpipe the space it needs.

Once this is done the next items on the shopping list are a rear disc upgrade (already got them on the shelf, ready to bolt up), a 6 point rollcage from Paul Botch Venners, competition seats and proper harnesses.  Somewhere among this list will be a visit to Nurburg, as I've not been in a few years and I'm gagging for it, frankly.

Yes the whole thing's being done for pretty much peanuts, but this car has put a lot of big smiles on my face and looks like it will be continuing to in 2008 as I continue to modify it in a low-budget kinda way.

I'll try to post significant updates as soon as possible, but with a young family I'm not getting quite the same amount of time to play with VWs as I used to!

For anyone who's interested in learning more about the Golf Syncro, there's a wealth of information at www.vwsyncro.co.uk.
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Post by: MK2RussRacer on 20 December 2007, 08:23
Like it mate! off roader and a track car!  :grin:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: nealey on 26 December 2007, 21:54
these are the kind of projects i like to see
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Dinky on 28 December 2007, 23:36
very interesting project darl! If i had the knowhow, and luck with finding a bargain like this, id try it myself..
deffo get sum pics up when you visit the ring!

Dinx :kiss:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Neaty on 29 December 2007, 01:24
i like it mate, how do they handle compared to a 2 wheel drive GTI?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 December 2007, 09:35
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deffo get sum pics up when you visit the ring!

I absolutely will.  I've also booked a day at Castle Combe with 928.org.uk - I did a day with them last year, too.

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i like it mate, how do they handle compared to a 2 wheel drive GTI?

I've taken various people out in it who have had 2WD Golf GTIs and it's always the same - they're quite chatty until I tip it into the first of a series of roundabouts near here, then they either go quiet, or as the starter of this thread (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=54827.0) said 'oh f***'.  Why?  If it had been his GTI apparently it would have been facing the other way.  Syncros hang on.  However, if you have the stiffer Rallye ARB fitted and you let off and come back on the power they'll settle into a beautiful four wheel drift.

The thing to remember about them is that the rear of the car is totally re-designed vs the 2WD car - instead of the torsion bar there is independent rear suspension, which changes the way the car behaves, whether you're delivering power to the rear wheels or not.

I especially love the grip and security in weather like we're having at the moment - that's when the Syncro really shines.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Neaty on 29 December 2007, 14:27
I would love to have one, I had the chance to buy one a few years ago but for some reason I didn't  :sad:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 04 January 2008, 00:51
Busy evening - I've finally plucked up the courage to cut the required section out of the transmission tunnel, to allow a sensible exhaust which will allow me to run something more powerful (and better breathing) than the 1.8 carb motor.  This has been something of a heart-in-mouth moment for me - I desparately don't want to lose the rigidity the high-tunnel shell gives, but at the same time, there simply wasn't enough space to run a sensible exhaust.  With the new section and downpipe I should have something that flows a lot better and I won't lose too much structural strength.  I've chosen to cut the section out, make the downpipe and then weld back in a new tunnel section to accommodate the re-routed exhaust.

Here's the section I've cut out:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P1030028.jpg)

This is the half of the Rallye downpipe that actually fits in:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P1030029.jpg)

Viewing the first pipe through the hole inside:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1030032.jpg.jpg)

Starting to build the second downpipe out of the bit that was cut out - it's writhing around the RHD steering column, in case I hadn't made that clear!

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1030037.jpg.jpg)

Here's that part of the downpipe in place - you can see why I've had to cut this section out:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1040041.jpg.jpg)

You can clearly see here that I'm now past the toughest, nastiest bit:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1040043.jpg.jpg)

I'm just holding the lower section in place, but it doesn't take much imagination to see that it should slip in there without too much hassle and will just need a couple of wedges welded in to make up the gaps in the exhaust:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1040044.jpg.jpg)

As I have to go to work tomorrow I figured it was best to finish at midnight, especially as I now have to remove a bit more material from the tunnel, to ensure that even when the motor jumps around a bit I don't get things buzzing on the bodywork - I've retained the flexible joint, which should help a lot in this respect anyway.

More at the weekend, t'other half permitting.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 07 January 2008, 00:18
Busy day today.  I've finished the downpipe:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1060064.jpg.jpg)

and trimmed a bit more out of the footwell, so it fits:

http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1060076.jpg.jpg

The issue is that there needs to be enough space for the exhaust to move around.  This photo shows where it comes down - right in front of the tightening profile of the tunnel:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1060079.jpg.jpg)

I might remove just a little more to ensure I'm not going to have clatter from the exhaust as the drivetrain moves around. 

Now I'm getting to the point where I'm going to need to put back in some strength where I've created the clearance it seem a sensible time to take out the dash:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1060025a.jpg.jpg)

This has allowed me much better access to the area where I'm going to be welding the new section in.  I've also got busy with the hot air gun this evening, heating up the sound deadening sheets and scraping them away, ready for a good cup-brushing prior to welding new sections in:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1060023a.jpg.jpg)

I just have to decide how far back it's likely the exhaust will come when it's hooked up to the Y-pipe.... looks like that's next on the agenda to fabricate up.  Time to go out raiding ATS's skips  :grin:

Oh and I picked up an 8V crossflow head on Friday, too.  That'll be away for a tri-cut on the valve seats and then I need to decide whether to go with a Bogg Bros manifold and bike carbs, or go for chipped injection & G60 injectors.  Tough call, eh?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: MK2RussRacer on 07 January 2008, 18:05
so what engine u going for mate???  :cool:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 08 January 2008, 16:11
2E block, with late crossflow head, which will have a little work done on it.  I will be changing the cam as soon as I can, too. 

It will be initially running a chipped standard 2E injection system and G60 injectors.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Horney on 08 January 2008, 16:20
Good work there fella!

Nick
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Post by: sharpie on 11 January 2008, 11:33
good effort tom! sounds like it'll be awesome when it's finished, gonna have some power to match the handling. air intake is pure getto though!  :laugh: :grin: how's the other project going?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 11 January 2008, 12:01
Alright Sharpie.  Got yourself another car with pink highlights yet?  :grin:

What can I say about the air intake - I'm a cheap-ass at heart.

The 'other project' is running really well now and sounding seriously nasty - can't remember whether you heard it run before you left.  I've taken it out with Danny passengering and we did manage to give a VR6 a seriously nasty shock with it.  I'm hoping to get it MOTed and drive it to Big Bang for RWYB as a first event.

Going to get over to Vee W Services on Saturday to have a rummage about for a suitable set of flanges and flexi-joints for the Y-section on the exhaust.

After that I've got to figure out the plumbing for this crossflow, as it's not 'normal'
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 11 January 2008, 12:16
nah i got a saxo  :embarassed: lol!! sensible car for uni. got shockies, springs, arbs and braces all waiting to go on it but not got round to it yet. it's well chuckable but spun it after about a month of having it, pure lift off oversteer  :laugh:

you well slagged me when i was running a air intake like that! you've been busted  :grin:

good to hear your other one's going well, heard it running before i left but never seen it properly move. you should put than on a project thread too or are you keeping it secret? i can only imagine how much fun it is to see peoples expressions when you give it a bit gas.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 11 January 2008, 12:42
You're driving a Paxo?  That's harsh - it doesn't need pink highlight, it's already quite clearly a girl's car.

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you should put that on a project thread too or are you keeping it secret?

It's not a secret, but this is GolfGTI.co.uk - not batteredsinglecabpickupwithanauditurbomotor.co.uk - gotta keep focused  :smug:

Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 11 January 2008, 12:46
You're driving a Paxo?  That's harsh - it doesn't need pink highlight, it's already quite clearly a girl's car.

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you should put that on a project thread too or are you keeping it secret?

It's not a secret, but this is GolfGTI.co.uk - not batteredsinglecabpickupwithanauditurbomotor.co.uk - gotta keep focused  :smug:



blah blah - that's what i want people to think.

aye it's golfgtico.uk - not golfsyncro.com  :tongue: i'll stop spamming your thread now! car looks good keep us updated  :wink:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 January 2008, 17:12
Q: How do you switch from a hydraulic clutch actuator on a cable-change gearbox in a Golf2?

A: Use a Passat Syncro actuator arm (02A 141 708B) and the boot for it (02A 141 728). 

I should find out next week whether my existing clutch cable 'bolts right up' to this combination.

Now, anyone got any suggestions of the right water housing and hoses to use on the end of the crossflow head to get to the radiator?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 January 2008, 01:02
*If you're offended by cheap-assed bodgery skip straight over this post*

Well, I suspect someone somewhere was doing things properly this evening.  Sadly I've been following my usual course of using the crap I've got lying around in my workshop to bodge stuff together - it saves money, which means I can do stupid stuff like this.

This evening I have mostly been bodging together a Y-piece to take the exhaust from the end of the Rallye downpipe to the original system on the car.  For anyone who's not looked at this thread before - a quick catch-up - One of the big things about this project is to alleviate the restrictive downpipe scenario in the RHD Golf Syncro.  So far I've hacked about a Rallye downpipe to dodge the steering column, cut out a section of the firewall and now I need to hook it up to the rest of the standard system, which isn't restrictive at all.

First of all I hacked out the 2-1 joiner from the Passat that the 2E came out of - this was just before the end of the downpipe, so flange off, then downpipes off.

Next up, I hacked apart a rather shagged T25 petrol J-pipe, as the flanges on either end are the same pattern as on the Rallye downpipe (go figure).  Here is the pipe before I blessed it with the hacksaw:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1160022S.JPG.jpg)

I did buy a nice new pipe, but I couldn't bring myself to hack it up (come on, it had paint on it and everything!), so I've swapped it for this one and some goodwill.

I already had various random bits of vaguely-the-right-diameter pipe lying around, so I gathered them up.

Now I needed the right size pipe to fit the joiner in the standard pipework - after a bit of rummaging I found there was a salvaged front box in the workshop roof, which I'd cut the pipe off after the joiner.  That came out, got separated and then got trimmed down. 

I then cut a small section from some other pipe to flare the 2-1 joint down to the single pipe and then tacked together the start of the section on the workbench:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1160023S.jpg.jpg)

This was then fitted into the car and I rummaged through the rest of the bits of pipe to get some that were about the right length.

Before this I'd argued the motor and gearbox back into place, with the downpipe bolted up and the T25 flanges bolted to that.  Now all I had to do was 'fill in the gap'.  I managed to do this with assorted bits of pipe and a T25 'sealing ring' on the back of one of the flanges.  Once I'd burnt myself to pieces tacked the pipes up under the car I dropped the section out and the downpipe off, so I could give it a right dose of MIG wire on the bench, which took us from:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1160024S.jpg.jpg)

To

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1170025S.jpg.jpg)

I need to drop off the downpipe and tidy the flanges, maybe do a bit of work around the 2-1 section, but it's pretty much there.  It ain't pretty, but it will work and should last a while, too.

I also found out that to fit the crossflow (ABA) code head, which only has a water outlet on the end of it I really need the water pipe off a Mexican Golf, which is a bit of an arse as I can see that Heritage Bristol are unlikely to be of much use in this quest.  Still, it'll be a laugh seeing if they can even find the part tomorrow - I emailed them with a list of parts, so we'll see if they even pick up their emails I suppose.

Meanwhile, the Man Who Can, over in Holland, has shipped me a lovely box of bits for the motor - inlet manifolds, G60 injectors and a few other goodies, so I need to get cracking on - this thing needs to be back ready for track action as soon as the weather cheers up a bit!
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 January 2008, 11:52
The good news is that Heritage called me back on the back of the email and I've not ordered the clutch actuator and boot.

The bad news is that they can't get the US hoses, so I've got to find a different way of getting hold of them - how hard can it be, eh?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 January 2008, 23:08
Further stuff this evening.  Finished the Y-pipe and gave it a bit of a buffing, thus proving you can polish a turd.....

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1170023S.jpg.jpg)

Then fitted the completed thing up to the car:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1170025S-1.jpg.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1170026S.jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 20 January 2008, 23:24
Busy session this afternoon/evening.

After cleaning up the area I then cut sections and fitted them up around the hole, ready to weld in.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1200025.jpg.jpg)

The first section I welded in was the piece on the upright

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P1200028.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1200030.jpg.jpg)

Then pieces either side were welded in, as the bottom of the upright was stepped out.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P1200031.jpg)

Then the trimmer down the transmission tunnel:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P1200032.jpg)

and around the seams of the aperture:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1200035.jpg.jpg)

Completed trimmers:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1200037.jpg.jpg)

and then coated with primer, as it's 'king damp here at the moment!

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1200038.jpg.jpg)

Yes, it might be overkill, but it's a crucial part of the chassis, so I'd rather over-do it than do something lightweight which means the chassis flexes more than it should.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 January 2008, 14:49
Woo - parts collection now enhanced after the arrival of a large package from Holland.

Pictures here (http://diamondhell.com/component/option,com_rsgallery2/Itemid,29/page,inline/id,704/catid,23/limitstart,0/)
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 January 2008, 11:55
I finished the footwell modification last night:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1220055.jpg.jpg)

I've layed on a layer of primer and will probably finish it in Hammerite smooth silver, although given the thickness of the steel I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon!

I grabbed a couple of pictures of the original set up vs the new one - this should help explain why I've had to go to all of this trouble:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1220029.jpg.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1220030.jpg.jpg)

So, now we're into getting the motor sorted and together, which means the crossflow head's off for some work shortly.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 07 February 2008, 00:40
Quick catch up - Lots done over the past week or so.

We now have the pressure pump and wiring fitted under the floor:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1270042.jpg.jpg)

This is a sight many GTI drivers will be familiar with, to a point - you can see the independent rear suspension subframe in the photo.  Thankfully the supplied pump was from a continental Syncro, so it had the right length pipes - something that actually 'bolts right up' - shocking.  To compensate I'll be needing to make up the wiring to power the electric lift pump I've fitted in the tank - the carb Syncro doesn't have one.  Thankfully the Rallye does:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1270038.jpg.jpg)

Rallye unit on right, with lift pump.

Now, I was going to be using the 2E management and wiring loom, but it has a fifth injector, which ain't gonna just fit up to the crossflow inlet manifold (which is not designed for a cold start injector), so it looks like I'll be falling back on chipped G2 digifant management, although to make sure we fuel correctly I'll be using a Euro loom, so it runs with a lambda and hopefully gets the mixture about right.  Although I'm running with G2 management, I still need to use the 2E throttle housing, as this bolts up to the square hole on the crossflow inlet manifold.  In comparison the G2 GTI throttle plate housing is rectangular and will not fit at all, being both narrower and longer.  The kicker is that the 2E uses a potentiometer, whereas the G2 uses closed and wide open throttle microswitches.  I've now converted the 2E housing from this:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/P1270022a.jpg.jpg)

to this:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P1300028.jpg)

Which seems like a right old retrograde move, as surely a potentiometer will work better for injection, won't it?  Well yes, but only if the system you're using works with a potentiometer!

Because the throttle damper has now gone it's meant I can mount the square any which way I want, meaning it's been a lot easier to figure out the mounting for the throttle cable.  Might turn out after all.

This week has also bought a few parts: 
A Techtonics 268 cam, to spice things up a little.  This might seem a little tame, but given that the head is being breathed on it should flow better, giving sensible gains overall.  This was bought and shipped in from the USA at a total cost of $210 plus £30 duty on arrival.  It was either that, or £220 plus shipping for a Kent GS2, which will do the same job (tough choice). 
To cater for the crossflow head I've purchased new a hose from a 2002 Golf cabriolet.  The crossflow has no water outlet on the front surface of the head, so the cooling arrangements are substantially different to the GU carb motor.  This hose also means I can run a radiator without the stupid bleed hose at the top.  The radiator is still to buy - a G3 unit, as this omits the bleed tube. 
I had to pick up a bracket for the cable-change mounted transfer box, as it's different to the rod-change one.  £5 on Fleabay.  That's now with me. 

I'm still waiting on the Euro loom, the chipped ECU, a Rallye rear engine mount (to miss the 100mm CVs) and a remote oil cooler.  These are coming over from Holland in the next couple of weeks.  The head eventually left for work, but it wasn't alone - it has the flywheel with it, which is going to be losing 3 out of 9kg.

A little while ago I painted the new plated section in silver Hammerite to give it a fighting chance of survival.  It's under the car, so no point worrying about the paint match.  The underside might even get a little stonechip on it, although to be honest it would make more sense to fit up some heat protection. 

I spent this evening putting the heater and dash back in, which have gone back in quite nicely, without too much arguing.

The flywheel and head should be ready for pick up the weekend after this, so it looks like I should really get a scoot on with the rest of the car, especially as we're looking at a trip to the Eiffel Mountains in May.
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Post by: Horney on 07 February 2008, 08:59
This is a proper good read mate, nice work!

Nick
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Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 07 February 2008, 13:31
Went hand has a crawl around under this last night..  :drool:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 11 March 2008, 12:15
I've had a couple of weeks off the project due to norovirus and a nasty cold following that.  Things didn't totally stop and I've got a bunch more parts come in, so I'm starting to build up the motor:

Block degreased and dusted with black paint:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3100054.jpg)

Built up with new waterpump, year old stat from previous motor, new crank seals and intermediate shaft seal.

After a small amount of to-ing and fro-ing the head went on last night - now torqued down:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3110054a.jpg)

That includes new cam seal, Techtonics 268 cam and new tappets, as well as a tri-cut and de-shroud on the valve seats.  It's been bolted down with 2E-spec bolts and ABF headgasket. 

Hopefully tonight it comes off the engine stand, I do the other crank seal, bolt up the tinware on either end, bolt up the lightened flywheel, put the clutch back on and maybe line up the timing marks and slip a new belt on.

Hopefully should be on the gearbox and in the car by the weekend.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 12 March 2008, 11:46
As normal I didn't quite get everything I wanted to do last night, but the other crank seal is done, the lightened flywheel is fitted, along with the tinware behind it and the clutch.  The motor is also off the engine stand, back on the hoist.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3110057.jpg)

Oh and the gearbox got a bit of cleaning and the power steering pump went back on, too.

I've got some bolts to collect from VW this lunchtime, so this evening the oil filter housing's going on and the motor should be timed.  If all goes well (what are the chances, eh?) I might even bolt it to the gearbox.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 March 2008, 00:46
After a dreadful night of it the night before last (everything was too damned short) I've had a much better evening tonight.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3130063.jpg)

Timed up motor, mated to gearbox, with the inlet manifold trial-fitted, along with the breather pipes being reviewed etc.

I've dug out a few issues, but nothing insurmountable (or not fixable with a grinder and welder).

I've also found out that the crossflow waterpipe works nicely and the cooling system is fit to mate up to a Golf3 16V radiator, which I already have.

Beavis came round tonight and sorted out a GTI speedo head into the instrument cluster, too - many thanks for doing a job I wasn't looking forward to!  This is necessary as the new drive on the cable-change box is a different geared one to the original Syncro unit.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 March 2008, 09:49
A few quick photos - engine and gearbox still being built up - almost there:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3160054a.jpg|)

Downpipe wrapped to protect the rest of the car from the heat (it's a bit tight in there):

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3160059.jpg)

The proposed 'oil cooler stack' - oil to water cooler, then remote oil cooler take-off plate:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3160063.jpg)
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Organisys on 17 March 2008, 12:57
You'll be pleased to know with a decent sized Mocal cooler, I am getting a temperature drop of 10-15 degrees C on my car, they are well worth it for track use.
 :smiley:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 March 2008, 13:47
Cheers for that - it's something I've been quite focused on since last year.  Every time I came off after a 15minute session at Castle Combe the oil buzzer went ballistic!
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 30 March 2008, 09:24
100mm inner CVs on driveshafts.  Engine and 'box in:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3290068.jpg)

Bit of close clearance - heat wrap as far as the eye can see:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3290070.jpg)

Then I put the front panel on, just to try and remember what a Golf looks like:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3290073.jpg)

ABF Rad on for test fitting:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3290077.jpg)

Cable-change 'box, plus cable change clutch - how rare:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3290075.jpg)

I just need the cable-holding bracket from an early cable-change mechanism.  Coming shortly from Holland.

More stuff added - powersteering lines and checking airbox fits OK etc

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3300087.jpg)
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Neaty on 30 March 2008, 17:13
good work  :cool:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 31 March 2008, 11:23
Big session yesterday evening.  My mate DannyP came down and got right into the wiring (he's great with wiring, I'm not - play to your strengths!).  Because the car is running DigiII with a lambda we're running a European loom, which was from a Golf Cabriolet, so the wiring colours are a bit off.  The motor is also not a normal counterflow - it has the crossflow head, wihch means the sensors aren't where the wiring loom was expecting.

In the spirit of international collaboration that underlies vwsyncro.co.uk I then hooked up a webcam on my laptop (sitting on the strut top in the engine bay) and opened a Skype conversation, so ChrisS in Holland could thrash out a few issues with the wiring with Danny.  Chris then pulled his mate, Pascal (also in Holland) in over Skype, to help out with a couple of other issues. 

I did grab a couple of pictures, but they're not downloaded yet. 

It's a reflection on the times that I was working in my workshop, with a guy I met through vwsyncro.co.uk, with a couple of other people in another country helping out (with no call charges!).  I think it's bloody amazing and there are some great virtual communities out there.  :smiley:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: MarkS on 31 March 2008, 12:56
Haha that's awesome  :cool:

In regards to the heat wrapped manifold-
How much did the wrap set you back? (If you don't mind me asking  :smiley: )
All the wrap I've seen is quite expensive and I'm in two minds whether it will be worth it or not?
I know the principle behind it (i.e cooler engine bay = denser air = more oxygen) but will it have a worthwhile effect for the money?
Cheers  :smiley:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 31 March 2008, 14:29
Here's the situation last night:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/DannyandGolf.jpg)

With regards to the heat wrap on the exhaust, I had to put it on as, where the exhaust would normally go there is a 4WD propshaft.  This means the downpipe runs very VERY close to the steering column boot, as shown here:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P3290069.jpg)

I'm just hoping that the wrap will keep temperatures at this point low enough not to melt the steering column boot (note both downpipe and boot are wrapped).

As for cost, it was about £60 for a 30m roll or 50mm wide tape and 10 stainless steel zip tie type thingies.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: MarkS on 31 March 2008, 15:25
Ahh right fair enough!
Thanks for that mate  :smiley:
It's probably worthwhile doing but it just seems quite expensive  :undecided:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 07 April 2008, 08:25
This nest of vipers now runs:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/P4060079.jpg)

Sounded like a bag of spanners until the (new) tappets came up and wasn't keen to start, but now fires up easily and idles kinda ok - timing now needs setting, as well as a host of other jobs (like re-fitting the dash).

Big shout to DannyP once again for his wiring skillz.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 08 April 2008, 23:16
that's braw tom :cool: i've been logging on here to see how you've been getting on with it - just get out and drive it!!
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 09 April 2008, 01:19
Gobsh!te.

It's gotta be fit to be driven before it's driven - nothing worse than reading a build thread that ends in 'and there was this awful engine fire' or similar.  Hopefully the check and re-check strategy should mean it can be just driven.

There was a major psychological breakthrough a few minutes ago - all four road wheels are now on the ground.  That means it's ready to roll once I've fitted various items like the light switches back into the dash!

The bu99er is I'm probably not going to have much time to work on it until the start of next week  :cry:

What's this I hear about you getting pulled for having plates that are 'too gay for Scotland'?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 09 April 2008, 22:42
What's this I hear about you getting pulled for having plates that are 'too gay for Scotland'?


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 10 April 2008, 01:12
i'm sure it'll be fine! will be interesting to see how it compares to before. expected power?

What's this I hear about you getting pulled for having plates that are 'too gay for Scotland'?


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
not telling you anything anymore beav. technically pulled once for 'going too fast round a roundabout' (but in my defence i was under the speed limit of 60mph) and they happened to notice the plates, but the other time was just the plates. standards are on now anyway - not wanting to attract any more attention to myself if i can help it.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 10 April 2008, 10:17
i'm sure it'll be fine! will be interesting to see how it compares to before. expected power?

What's this I hear about you getting pulled for having plates that are 'too gay for Scotland'?


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
not telling you anything anymore beav.

you did say thomas would love it.

i saw fit  to confirm that  :grin:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Horney on 10 April 2008, 10:19
This is one of my fave build threads on here at the moment. Keep up the good work bud!

Nick
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 April 2008, 10:52
Quick update.  Here's the car as it currently sits:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Bay.jpg)

I've put a couple more interior fittings in - just need to fit up stuff like the switchgear, which should remove the short on the rear lights!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Interior.jpg)

Note lovely new leather-rimmed wheel - bought with the right collar on it from a junk shop in Holland!

Having the seat in enabled me to test out a couple of things yesterday - I can confirm that the clutch and gear linkage work, as I've now driven it (about 50cm) backwards and forwards.

Next session forecast to happen on Sunday - I need to get the Quattro-motored singlecab out of the way so I can drive the Golf out!
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 10 April 2008, 11:35
badgeless grill? you style whore.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: dabill on 10 April 2008, 19:42
obviously weighs less than a badged grill :D
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 April 2008, 21:50
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badgeless grill? you style whore.

Yes, it's true.  It's my one concession to in-duh-viduality.

And yes, without the spotlights it probably does weigh less than the stand item, although I'll make up for that with a relay kit on the remaining pair of lights - it's function over form, as usual  :grin:.  A relay kit should make the headlights bearable on the night haul out to Adenau in May, although I might put the standard grille on to benefit from the goodness of the spotlights on the section of road off the Autoroute through Belgium into the Eiffel mountains.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Mew on 11 April 2008, 10:30
Bit of a gay question, but what is that seat out of?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 11 April 2008, 12:05
Toledo  :wink:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 13 April 2008, 23:24
YAY!  First drive tonight and it's sweeeet.

Matt Beavis was around and came out for the ride.  He did gab a quick snap of it pulled up, with the exhaust wrap smoking like mad.

The only snag so far was the accelerator cable not being properly seated and coming out of the hole in the bulkhead, trapping the engine at about 2k RPM.

It needs timing up properly (mid-week, I think) and then the electrical connections sorted on the gearbox (these control the freewheel on the back diff).

Look promising for Saturday at Castle Combe  :cool:.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 April 2008, 14:24
Picture from Matt:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/DSC03852.jpg)

I am being gassed by the exhaust heat wrap in this photo, while I try to sort out the accelerator cable.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: dabill on 14 April 2008, 14:41
*cough* kiwi shoe polish *cough*

Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 April 2008, 17:02
That would imply I attach some importance to how my bumpers look.

Kiwi shoe polish ain't gonna make it any faster, is it?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: dabill on 15 April 2008, 12:40
no  :embarassed:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 16 April 2008, 00:42
no  :embarassed:

hahaha. Told.  :wink:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 April 2008, 00:12
H'mmmmmm, just looking into tyres and thinking probably Toyo T1-Rs for Germany and fun.  I'd be interested to hear any views on these, or alternatives.....
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: dabill on 17 April 2008, 09:00
im running them, stacks of grip at moment, and i've only heard praise for summer months, so cant wait!

start performing as soon as you set off really. but mine are practically brand new so see how they fair when they've started scrubbing on the inside lol!
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 17 April 2008, 18:21
you know i rate the toyos. very grippy once there's a bit heat in them, and won't kill you in the wet like yokos.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 20 April 2008, 09:29
Big shakedown session yesterday - off to Castle Combe which turned out to be a 15minute cavalcade of idiots (IMO).  The drive back home was a much more effective test!

Pics here (http://diamondhell.com/component/option,com_rsgallery2/Itemid,29/page,inline/id,987/catid,41/limitstart,0/)
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 May 2008, 00:19
Lots done, few photos taken.

Recently installed or sorted:

Timing set on the motor.  We've gone for 8 degrees BTDC, which should safely make the most of the chipped ECU.

Scirocco seats: I wasn't happy about the height of the Toledo seats, so they're out and a nice pair of 'rocco seats are now in their place - now that's low!  :cool:  I'm much happier about these - now helmet-roof action hopefully

Toledo 15" 5 spoke alloys currently on  :sick: bearing Toyo T1-Rs  :cool:, which are being scrubbed in for next weekend's trip to Germany.

After a bit of mithering I think I've found a position where the gearshift cables don't foul the centre prop.

The heatshield over the front pipes was rattling slightly, so that's been jubilee-clipped down to shut it up.

160mph clocks fitted.  More for the 8k tacho and for the oil temperature display on the MFA.  Anyone got pin-outs for the MFA and know if it's possible to set up a flick switch so I can cycle to the oil temperature?

The throttle-stop had to be adjusted slightly as the cable had pulled out a couple of times - not good coming up a motorway slip-road.  I've also put a wider clip over the head of the end of the cable, to avoid any pulling out of it.

As I'm going to be doing at least an 8 hour round trip I've trimmed down the stereo wiring, so there's only front speaker wiring.  I'll reinstall the cute little JBEs in the dash and I have an old Sony MD head unit, which will slot in - should provide sufficient entertainment for the long motorway/autoroute/autobahn hours.

I'll get pics of the POS this weekend, hopefully.  Then it's off to Dover for a late night boat next Thursday night.  GET IN.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 01 May 2008, 01:53
seats from the red rocco next to you? what happened to that in the end?

bet you can't wait to go to the ring.. i think it goes without saying, have fun and tc  :laugh: better be some nice photos and/or videos after.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 May 2008, 09:21
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seats from the red rocco next to you? what happened to that in the end?

Nah, these are from one at White House Robbers down at Brislington.

I sold that red one months ago.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 May 2008, 09:59
Further 'snagging' last night.  Including reducing the height of the idle switch bracket, which was *ahem* touching the bonnet.

Gotta love those five spokers  :sick:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_0084LR.jpg)

Gorgeous Scirocco seats (it's all in the subframe):

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_0076LR.jpg)

Yes and I suspect the back of your car would come up a bit if you took EVERYTHING out of it.  One for fans of lowering springs:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_0079LR.jpg)

Before people start blithering on about how high it is, with so little weight in the back it only takes a slight change and it comes up a long way.  In this photo there's no spare wheel or jack and the fuel tank is almost empty, which is why it's riding so high.  On the road it's actually pretty taut and rides beautifully when pushing on.

And for anyone suggesting that stripped out cars are a nightmare to live with I have to dispute that.  It does not rattle, clatter and bang.  There is very little to rattle, or cause a commotion!  It was possible to hold a conversation at normal volume on the motorway last night in 'light and fast' traffic. One thing I've not stripped out is the headlining, as it dampens a lot of noise, weighs very little and running without one would cause condensation to drip off the roof.  It'll be staying as long as possible.

I've still got a few things to do before we're off, including replacing the petrol filter under the car and I'm waiting on some bits, too.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: dabill on 02 May 2008, 10:02
looking good, bet you cant wait for nurberg ring (or however you spell it!)

doe the 4wd make a massive difference to the handeling in this then? and what are the dis advantages and advantages? would you reccomend 4wd for the track etc?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 May 2008, 10:20
Does the 4WD make a massive difference?  Well when I took Sharpie out for the first time I piled it into a roundabout he was used to taking in his stripped out GTI and he braced for impact as he thought I was going to go straight on.  I was happy we were well within limits and the car just pulled round as I knew it would.

At the soaking Performance Car Action day at Castle Combe a couple of weeks ago a Mondeo ST24 that I was catching up span off in front of me on Quarry.  I was nowhere near the end of my grip and was on the old Firestones.

You need to remember that the suspension on the back of the Syncro (and Rallye) is totally different to the 2WD car.  Whereas the 2WD has a beam at the back, the 4WD has fully independent suspension, so *should* work a lot better for you (I certainly think it does).

To anyone who's not been in a tweaked Syncro (they need it) or a Rallye and is curious about them I can only suggest you give it a whirl.  If you're passing Bristol I'm happy to take people out for a ride.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Stu.750 on 03 May 2008, 17:14
looks like a really good fun car

 well engineered too with a sensible budget at home

how hard are syncros to get hold of in the first place?

and as for stripped out cars beign hard to live with , i know what your saying its noncens they are greally good fun , and the extra rattles and clatters make every run an experiance
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 04 May 2008, 09:27
There were only 650 G2 Syncros sold in the UK, but they're not hard to get hold of - there's normally one or two on ebay at any given time and they don't go for much as they're not a GTI.  If you fancy one there's not a lot stopping you from trying one out.  The only thing worth noting is that the insurance can be a bit tasty, as they got saddled with a higher grouping than a GTI (go figure).
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 05 May 2008, 15:42
how is the power distributed through the 4wd? im guessing its still predominantly fwd?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Horney on 05 May 2008, 16:49
Same as the Rallye I believe. A VC that distributes power to the rear when the fronts lose traction.

Nick
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 06 May 2008, 00:49
Nick's right - power only cuts in at the back when there's slip at the front.  There is a drive out the back of the gearbox which splits the output 50:50 and the viscous coupling (VC) is at the back, right in front of the rear diff.  There is a cunning arrangement of switches on the gearbox that controls a vacuum operated freewheel on the rear drive, too.  By disconnecting the power on gearchanges the danger of transmission wind-up (which the T25 Transporter suffers from, big-style in certain situations) are minimised.

A few features mine now has after a little session today include an oil pressure gauge, an oil temperature gauge and an air:fuel ratio gauge.  It also has a 21W rear foglight on the dashboard, which lights up if there's no oil pressure.  Now THAT's an idiot light  :grin:.

Other bits over the past few days include replacing the front springs with the ones off a Toledo 2.0 8V Sport, which I broke recently.  After a slight  :shocked: moment when I put them on the ride height has now settled at something near acceptable (to me, who doesn't do ride/handling/back damaging 'slammed').  Tracking and camber needs setting now, although according to my calculations (using spirit levels) it's got about -1 on both sides - can't do the tracking quite as easily.

At the moment I'm not happy about the rear end - it's too light and a bit skittish.  As soon as I can I'll get the battery and washer bottle relocated back there, which should even things up quite a lot.

Then it's a cage.

Then bucket seats and proper harnesses..

Then independent throttlebodies and megasquirt.

Or maybe I'll just get on with enjoying it.

Last Friday in June at Castle Combe, Nick?
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 08 May 2008, 09:41
Got camber?

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Camber.jpg)

Hell yes -2 degrees on both fronts.  It turns in like a hare being chased by a greyhound. Incidentally I did the camber myself - it's basically as far 'in' on the two bolts on the strut as possible.  The tracking was done by Protyre (£26.50).  They also confirmed that I need to rebuild the rear this winter - the passenger side camber is a bit out, which is the perfect excuse for polybushes.

Wires across slam panel = headlight relay loom I made up last night (sorry Beavis, your one got torn down and redone).
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: dabill on 08 May 2008, 13:51
needs spacers, lowering and arches flaaring/rolling.


would look wicked bad then. oh and get some 9'' wide deep dish steels on there too.



then you'll have a real show winner diamond  :rolleyes:


oh yeah, like i said before, buy some back to black! it actually adds bhp!
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 09 May 2008, 21:35
Having failed to make it even a little bit attractive I am now posting from outside Blau Ecke in Adenau.  We did have to make an unscheduled maintenance stop in Holland to replace a transfer box flange seal, but were back on the road in about 3 hours.

Touring cars to watch tomorrow and then Sunday and Monday to play  :grin:

Beats buffing.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 10 May 2008, 21:24
Woo, go TC!

Say hi to Chris from me if you pick this up in time..  :smiley:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Horney on 12 May 2008, 09:05
Good work DH, Combe in June might well be a goer, I'll have the check my calander.

Nick
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 13 May 2008, 11:14
8 laps of lots of fun.  Many hours of working on the car, after it decided to eat bushes.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_0383.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_0423.jpg)

Topped the 120mph speedo right out on the way home, too.

Full story to follow in due course.

 :cool:
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 13 May 2008, 14:09
i am so jealous right now  :wink: i cant wait to go nurburgringing
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 May 2008, 11:10
Full story here (http://diamondhell.com/content/view/35/47/).
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 16 May 2008, 13:56
Probably my favourite photo from last weekend.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_0380.jpg)

Booked for a power run at InterPro in Thornbury on June 3rd.

Just for interest, really.
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Horney on 16 May 2008, 14:16
Good read that mate. Nice one.

Nick
Title: Re: not-a-GTI Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 July 2008, 22:31
That power run in full:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Power-run-03-06-08.jpg)

Diagnosis = crap map.

Only one way around that (in my mind).  Time for independent throttlebodies and Megasquirt:

Got these

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/TBs.jpg)

Just taken delivery of a box of electronic components that will be built into an ECU shortly.

In the interim I've got an MOT to get through in the next couple of weeks, then the next 'ring trip 12-16th September.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 11 August 2008, 15:57
For those who don't Favebook here's a couple of crap laps from inside my car:

Lap 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj4Hg70kjFI)

Lap 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3jOrVwHJz0)

This was at the VAG Action Day at Combe on July 26th.

These were shot using my Pentax digital camera and a vacuum mount on the window of the car - much better than any other in-car footage I've ever managed!

Development continues slowly - DannyP showed up and took the MS components away at the weekend 'if I leave this in front of my Dad he won't be able to resist building it'.

After this I need to get a stub-manifold made up to carry the throttlebodies, buy some appropriately-sized silicone hoses and clamps and sort out the loom.  Then it'll probably be live-mapping out on the road before another rolling road session to confirm the mapping.

This will after the trip out to Germany 12-16th September, which will be completed on the existing spec.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Mew on 11 August 2008, 18:57
Links don't work matey  :sad:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Mr Blue on 11 August 2008, 19:01
Diamond.

How hard is it to convert a 3 door into a syncro? is it just a case of cut syncro floor pan...weld into 3 door floor pan. (use syncro fuel tank and all the other bits)

shorten the prop shaft and wack in a syncro box?
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 11 August 2008, 20:57
Links now fixeded

How hard is it to convert a 3 door into a syncro? is it just a case of cut syncro floor pan...weld into 3 door floor pan. (use syncro fuel tank and all the other bits)

shorten the prop shaft and wack in a syncro box?


I'm not sure which propshaft you'd be shortening, but no it's not terribly simple!

The Syncro gearbox is only good for up to about 120bhp.  More than that and you need to replace the rivets in the diff and bolt it to stop it being pulled apart.  Alternatively start out with a cable-change gearbox from a Rallye Golf or Passat Syncro, which should be good to 250bhp.

If you think about it you'd be better off going over to Germany and picking up a 3 door LHD Syncro and converting it to RHD - it'll save a lot of MIG wire!
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 11 August 2008, 22:51
Germany 12-16th September

yesss  :cool:


which will be completed on the existing spec.
boo
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Jay on 12 August 2008, 20:08
Sweet thread  :cool:

When you going to chuck in a VR6 or 1.8T ?  :grin:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 12 August 2008, 22:22
When you going to chuck in a VR6 or 1.8T ?  :grin:

When they get a f*ck sight lighter.

Both of those motors are too heavy, unlike an ABF motor, which is about the only likely step up from here for me.

I've got a lot more adding of lightness and simplicating to do.  Big power isn't where it's always at.  If it's bone dry and you know the track backwards then maybe, but if it's moist and you're not 100% where the track goes then you'll have rather more fun with something light, with relatively narrow tyres and not that much power.

Plus if you attack the scenery you'll be going slower, so it should hurt less.  :grin:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Jay on 13 August 2008, 21:44
I was thinking with a 4WD system a 1.8T or VR6 would be sweet as fook, obviously i'm wrong  :embarassed:

You really got me looking for Syncro's now (if I can sell mine for a decent amount and if I get this work contract  :evil: ), I never realised they made carb versions, I thought people meant it as a general term for G60/Rallye 4WD systems.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 August 2008, 00:27
Go read some reviews of 4WD cars - Audi, Subaru, whatever.  The recurring theme you'll find is reviewers saying 'intensely competent and fast, but very dull'.

The last thing my Syncro is, is dull.  It still needs a bit more power to make it properly entertaining, but it's a 4WD car, which is all about gentle slip-angles - it can be put into a four wheel drift and controlled on the throttle.  That's a driving on road/track drift, not a lurid drift-racing drift.  It's the 4WD version of lift-off oversteer - far more control-able and as much fun.  Far more fun in the wet, actually.

A big-power motor would be a lot faster, but would I have any more fun and would the car be as grin-inducing to drive? Possibly not. Would I get through lots more tyres, fuel and brake pads?  Definitely.

I've done four track days and eight laps of the 'ring (and there and back) and I've not changed the front brake pads yet and I don't drive like a pussy, either.  I also have two kids and lots of other demands on my cash.  Not burning huge amounts of cash running my project and still having a lot of fun is a major feature.

If you do buy a Syncro, bear in mind that the drivetrain is substantially lighter-weight and less durable than a Rallye or G60 Syncro - it's rod-change gearbox, rather than cable-change etc etc and you'll not be able to put much more grunt through the gearbox before it goes pop.  That's OK - I have a couple of spare rod-change 'boxes here though  :wink:.

Syncro is only VW's 80s-90s brand name for 4WD.  Sometimes viscous-coupling controlled (Transporter of Golf), sometimes torsen diff-controlled (Passat).

The 5 door carb version was the only RHD version available.  They only sold 650 of them, but they mostly went as second cars to terribly nice people, or to old farts, who live down rough old lanes, or up mountains - people who wanted the 4WD to make sure they got home, or got away from home.  Given the demographic of these people the Syncros are still popping out of the woodwork as these old buggers die off, or trade up to a Subaru.  Judging by the amount of dog-hair in the back of mine (still in some folds in the bodywork of the boot) it spent the first 15 years of it's life taking laboradors out for their walk.  Terribly nice people, see.  If only they knew.....  :evil:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Jay on 14 August 2008, 20:38
Just spotted one being broken on ebay  :sad:
I emailed the seller to see why it's being broke as they say engine, box etc are good, exterior is good... will see what they say.

Get some action footage of your syncro drifting  :wink:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 August 2008, 21:00
This is a bit far away, but you get the idea.

Ewetube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEyPn8YsdCg)

I might know of a Syncro across in the Deep West...... depends whether you have a budget  :tongue:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 August 2008, 11:10
Bit of a shock, but it just passed it's MOT first time, with no issues.

 :shocked:

I wasn't ready for that!

Good job I have another Golf to throw at them this afternoon, which is unlikely to do the same..... :cry:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 August 2008, 14:39
Best MOT advisory EVA:

Quote
001 Car presented with no rear seats, no rear seat belts and no carpet. Engine modified obviously, used for track days.

and then front to rear metal brake pipes rusty and the third:

Quote
003 4 wheel drive

Nice.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 15 August 2008, 14:53
Best MOT advisory EVA:

Quote
001 Car presented with no rear seats, no rear seat belts and no carpet. Engine modified obviously, used for track days.

and then front to rear metal brake pipes rusty and the third:

Quote
003 4 wheel drive

Nice.

One of the lads downstairs when I told him this said 'what the f**ks that got to do with the MOT? the testers obviously a knobstain'  :grin:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 15 August 2008, 15:45
did you take it to that garage at filton i used? i got advisories for no rear seats, no seat belts.

the 4 wheel drive one is unusual to say the least.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 August 2008, 16:39
Nah, I took it to what was QAS - is now a National Auto Centre.

Danny's failed.

Not by much though.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 15 August 2008, 19:58
Not by much though.

good. is that two syncros ring bound then?
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 August 2008, 20:04
fook aye.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Jay on 15 August 2008, 21:37
I might know of a Syncro across in the Deep West...... depends whether you have a budget  :tongue:
If it's gonna cost loads to get back on the road then no  :tongue:
I'm after a standard 1.8carb syncro to use for now until I can get a bigger lump and I too have a wife and 2 kids (possibly 3  :lipsrsealed: ) with not much of a budget for a 'project'.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 August 2008, 22:09
I'll get that DannyP to find out...
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 09 September 2008, 22:15
Got the coolest accessory yet for my Golf:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Fountaintrailer.jpg)

Good insurance policy for track days and 'ring trips.

 :cool:

Now, who needs what moved where (for a price)?
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Horney on 09 September 2008, 22:18
A passat from basing stoke to Winchester!

Actually can I just borrow the trailer for a day later in the year as I have a hook on the van.

Nick
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 16 September 2008, 18:12
Banged in a 4 bar fuel regulator liberated from a VR6, checked things over, then put it on the trailer and took it out to the 'Ring at 5AM on Friday.

I did 7 laps in it on Sunday, and a mate did two laps after me.

6 laps on Monday.

It didn't flinch.

Back in the workshop now, ready for over-winter upgrades.

Report and photos to follow in due course.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: VeeDubClub on 16 September 2008, 22:41
This thread is quality... Made me realise that i want NEED a syncro! Me and my mate are now consider chipping in on one for a track car! Seen a few on pistonheads that seem almost too cheap, theres a 89 back 5 door one for 900 smackers with only 45k on the clock and about 10 months MOT!
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Jay on 17 September 2008, 14:08
This thread is quality... Made me realise that i want NEED a syncro! Me and my mate are now consider chipping in on one for a track car! Seen a few on pistonheads that seem almost too cheap, theres a 89 back 5 door one for 900 smackers with only 45k on the clock and about 10 months MOT!
Get it mate! You knowz the Syncro makes sense.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 17 September 2008, 16:26
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/sharpie87/2008_09170014Medium.jpg)

trailer queen

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/sharpie87/2008_09170010Medium.jpg)

wish i got some photos with you out on track

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/sharpie87/2008_09170033Medium.jpg)

Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 September 2008, 16:31
Apparently some guy on Northloop has some photos of both Danny's car and mine.  They'll be up as soon as I have them  :smiley:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 17 September 2008, 16:34
mint. i wonder if they have photos of mine in the hotel car park.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 20 September 2008, 21:48
First photos:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/TC_Brunnchen2.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/TC_Brunnchen.jpg)

At Brunnchen (again), trying to roll the tyres off, as normal.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 21 September 2008, 21:20
nice, any of dan's as well?
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 September 2008, 15:10
Only this one:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Danny_on_Ring.jpg)

Still waiting on this guy on Northloop - he promised the photos within 24 hours last night though, so hopefully by this evening.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Chris-White on 22 September 2008, 15:35
I like how he got the photo next to the CGTI graffiti!
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 September 2008, 15:52
That hadn't been lost on me.  It was pretty likely, as it's on one of the most significant spectator points on the track.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 September 2008, 23:18
*SLIGHTLY* self-indulgent trip report coming together here (http://diamondhell.com/content/view/37/48/).

Sorry it's a bit long.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Jay on 24 September 2008, 22:16
Can't believe I read all that  :shocked: You're a bit nuts taking your daughter on the track though...  :tongue:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 24 September 2008, 22:51
You're a bit nuts taking your daughter on the track though...  :tongue:

Why?

It was deathly quiet and she had fun.... until she fell asleep.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 September 2008, 13:26
Dug about last night and found some pictures from pros who sit about at the side of the track shooting speculatively.

Are you listening, Nick?  The pictures generally go for 10Euros each and there's a well-set up way of people finding them, too.

Pro photos here (http://diamondhell.com/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=29&gid=59)

And yes I know there's a Skyline in there.  If you read the report you'll know why it's there.  :wink:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Jay on 26 September 2008, 13:53
And yes I know there's a Skyline in there.  If you read the report you'll know why it's there.  :wink:
So that's the 450bhp Skyline that could not overtake your 130bhp Golf?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Horney on 26 September 2008, 14:02
Some nice shots but some of the exposures are a bit off.

Anyhoo looks like you had fun. What rims are on your mates Syncro?

Nick
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 September 2008, 14:22
The rims are Borbet Cs 15x7

Only one of them is bent now, after he had to find a single replacement after buying a 'set' from some ebay tosser - only two bent and one of the others is ET40, with a 5mm spacer, rather than ET35 as the rest of them are.

Of rather more interest is the ABF under the bonnet.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Horney on 26 September 2008, 14:26
The rims are Borbet Cs 15x7

Only one of them is bent now, after he had to find a single replacement after buying a 'set' from some ebay tosser - only two bent and one of the others is ET40, with a 5mm spacer, rather than ET35 as the rest of them are.

Of rather more interest is the ABF under the bonnet.

Cheers DH, just wondered as they look to really suit the car. ABF + Syncro sounds fun!

Nick
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 06 December 2008, 22:08
Got a 2.0 16V Toledo with 71K on the clock.

This is something I've been considering doing for a while.

It's got MOT until September, so I'm going to play with it for a while.  When the MOT runs out it won't be MOTed again, but what happens from then until now is an interesting quandry.

Does it get checked over, with new boots fitted and then play with it on track, so I can find out what a 2WD Golf is like on the 'ring?

Or do I just keep it as a daily and enjoy it until the MOT is spent and keep working on the Golf?

H'mmmmmm, tough choice.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Horney on 06 December 2008, 23:06
Or put the engine in the Golf?

Nick
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 07 December 2008, 00:00
Ya can't just rush into that sort of thing.

I need to amass a number of GTI downpipes, to butcher up into a tubular manifold, before I can do that.

And I need to poly the back end and get the alignment sorted prior to dumping that much extra power into the chassis.   Unlike lesser Golfs the Syncro can be properly set up on the back, as well as the front.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Jay on 15 December 2008, 20:57
Oh gaw'n you know you want to chuck the ABF in there!
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 16 December 2008, 00:46
That Toledo is f**king sh!t.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Jay on 16 December 2008, 13:43
f**king sh!t in a cool gansta kinda way or f**king sh!t in a pile of crap that should be burnt and buried?
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 16 December 2008, 19:00
That Toledo is f**king sh!t.

just because

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:4uvEtbiy6bt2VM:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4MVEUYCC_qI/SKoMrgJMTpI/AAAAAAAACes/-_Y_ctddiIY/s400/beavis.jpg)

+


(http://www.ecodesignz.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/ED_02SideChair_F.jpg)

=

(http://z.about.com/d/landscaping/1/0/9/I/privet_hedge_big.jpg)



Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 December 2008, 11:24
f**king sh!t in a cool gansta kinda way or f**king sh!t in a pile of crap that should be burnt and buried?

Well when he came out in the Toledo the other night it was f*cking sh!t in a Beavis-is-a-big-lady-girl-who-has-pulled-his-hat-down-over-his-eyes-because-he's-scared kind of way.

£2 per bhp FTW.

The motor will head off into the Golf in due course, but I need a daily shonker at the moment and it's got MOT until Sept and tax until June, so it's number's not up yet.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Jay on 17 December 2008, 13:48
Where the hell do you keep finding these cheap cars/parts?
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 December 2008, 14:09
You've just got to be in the market and prepared to act appropriately when you need to.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 January 2009, 14:23
Just ordered Team Dynamics black Pro Race 2 rims, which will have R888s hooked over them for dry sessions in 2009.

Further stuff to come once the MG is out the way.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 30 January 2009, 17:12
Blimey - wheels ordered and paid for yesterday, here at 10AM this morning.

Now cosied up in R888s for the 2009 season:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Toyo.jpg)

For my car, that's pretty f**king bling!
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: eightyeightmph on 31 January 2009, 10:57
Man they are shiney, need some tyre black on there to even everything out....at least until they're on the track anyway!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: sharpie on 31 January 2009, 14:41
Man they are shiney, need some tyre black on there to even everything out....at least until they're on the track anyway!  :smiley:

sure that's the least of his concerns  :grin:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 February 2009, 00:24
Collected my Golf back from Yate, where the nasty MG that's been screwing my life up originated.  HUZZAH!

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2909LR.jpg)

Got some bits turned up today:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2908LR.jpg)

so I didn't think there was any point knobbing about:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2915LR.jpg)

These want shotblasting and powdercoating before they get new polybushes:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2911LR.jpg)

This lot can all just leave NOW please:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2912LR.jpg)

and I'll be applying these rocking horse turds, plus some rear discs:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2914LR.jpg)

All before Feb 28th.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 20 February 2009, 08:09
On the basis that I want most of the stuff under the back end of the Golf to last and it'll be going obsolete in due course, I sent all the bits that could be blasted off for blasting:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/DSC05076LR.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/DSC05078LR.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/DSC05079LR.jpg)

I also had to order the pendulum mount for the rear diff - the OEM one was knackered and there wasn't one included in the polybush kit:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0136LR.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0137LR.jpg)

I also picked up a pair of seats that will replace the Scirocco items in due course:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Corbeau3.jpg)

Only a 705mile road trip to pick them up (among other things).

So, powdercoating done by Saturday.  Should all be back together on Sunday  :huh:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Khare on 20 February 2009, 11:28
nice updates there tom :smiley: looking good!
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 February 2009, 21:16
So, parts back from the the powdercoaters:

Trailing arms and various ARB brackets

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2924LR.jpg)

Rear sub-frame:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2925LR.jpg)

Various securing brackets and the brake caliper carriers:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2927LR.jpg)

Bias valve , rear discs, CV boots and one new inner joint (other one still to come)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2926LR.jpg)

Rear diff mount came from VW, from Germany (phew).  Slight difference between original and superceded item:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2928LR.jpg)

So, there's a small quantity of assembly required.  Only *slighly* irksome issue at the moment is that the powdercoater seems to have been so keen with the coating that he's filled the threads on the sodding items.  Anyone near Bristol got M10 and M12 1.25 taps?
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Josho on 21 February 2009, 21:36
Surely these would do? (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/METRIC-TAP-WRENCH-SET-tap-and-die-set-M6-M7-M8-M10-M12_W0QQitemZ260344810030QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Hand_Tools_Equipment?hash=item260344810030&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1688|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318)

I know they're cheap but if they've only filled the holes, they should be quite soft, right?
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 February 2009, 21:48
Check the thread pitch available in that set.

Detail FAIL.
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: JC on 21 February 2009, 21:53
 :grin:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Josho on 21 February 2009, 21:55
Check the thread pitch available in that set.

Detail FAIL.

Eh, I suddenly realize now what the 1.25 is.

Eh, sorry for trying to help.  :wink:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: davero on 21 February 2009, 23:52
Could sell you a set, let me know if you want a price(new).
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 February 2009, 12:04
So, powdercoated items now have cleaned out threads (cheers Beavis for the taps).  I've been putting stuff together for a few days and spending WAAY too much on new parts, so I had a good session of fitting stuff together yesterday.

After I'd cup-brushed back the area where the subframe bolts up and put a couple of layers of galvafroid over the cleaned section it was time to start.  Footplate thingamies on:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0160.jpg)

I'm not sure whether the moistness here was from some heavy breathing out the top, or if the seal was going, so I've replaced the seal on the nearside output shaft:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0153.jpg)

Not very yummy, but hey it'll be fine.

I've pressed new bearings into the arms, fitted polybushes to all except the pendulum mount (not available in poly) and generally gone over-board to try and do the job properly.  I got rather carried away with assembly, so here's the next pic:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0162-1.jpg)

For most people this wouldn't be terribly exciting, but I've been running with the OE drums since I got the car, so this is quite a sight to behold for me!

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0163-1.jpg)

Rallye caliper carriers and discs, to go with the 280mms on the front.  I've also now fitted up the Golf3 handbrake cables, Golf3 calipers, Goodrich braided lines to the rear axle and started flaring and fitting up the brake hard-lines, in copper-nickel.  Does anyone have a guide to flaring brake pipes?  It's a job I bloody hate!

Next up is to fit the rest of the hard lines from the rear axle, up to a tee, then to the bias valve, then re-make the front lines, to accommodate the re-wiring of the front brakes to handle the non-diagonal split braking set up.

Chop chop, eh?
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: LazyLunatic on 26 February 2009, 18:00
like it DH :afro: in process of cleaning and painting rear beam and calipers, etc. hammerite. whats the advantage of powdercoating? surely it aint cheap?
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 February 2009, 20:40
Powdercoating is only the second half of the process.

The shotblasting creates properly clean items, of the like that you simply won't get with a wire brush.

The trailing arms and beam were both properly poxy, so I had a choice of spending ages cup-brushing them and fannying about, or handing them over to professionals to do a proper job.

Because of the complex nature of the rear beam there's no way I could have got that all properly cleaned up with a brush.  Blasting cleaned it up properly and did all of it, unlike what I could.

Powdercoating is then an exceptionally tough seal over the top of the fresh metal.  It is a heavy coat that is then baked on in an oven.  This gives you a finish far tougher than any paint coating.

As I know that a lot of these components will be, or already are obsolete and I want to keep the car for the long term it made sense to do it once and do it properly.

In total, for blasting AND powdercoating it cost £100 and I'm well chuffed with the finish - it should last as long as the original finish on the items I've had done.

You watch - I'll sling the f*cker into the armco at the next track day.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Getting not-so-cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track toy.
Post by: Rhyso on 26 February 2009, 20:54
love seeing updates on this project

keep up the good work  :smiley:
Title: Re: Getting not-so-cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track toy.
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 February 2009, 22:20
Couple more photos from the aftermath of last night:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2937LR.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2939LR.jpg)

The hard line does make sense where it is - it just doesn't look it in the photo for some reason.  :huh:
Title: Re: Getting not-so-cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track toy.
Post by: Horney on 27 February 2009, 09:25
Good lord there are shinny bits on your car DH :wink:

Looking good mate.

Nick
Title: Re: Getting not-so-cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track toy.
Post by: Diamond Hell on 27 February 2009, 09:56
It's OK Nick - they're hidden under the shabby exterior.

It is NOT rat look, mind  :tongue:
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Post by: danny_p on 28 February 2009, 07:49
Lots done yesterday.  :huh:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 28 February 2009, 08:17
So, yesterday.......

Change of braking system from diagonal split to individual lines to the fronts from two of the ports on the master cylinder and the rears come off another of the ports. The fourth one is blocked off.

Finished bolting everything up and made ALL new brake lines for the car (totally different to standard routing).

Refilled the rear diff using a Ezibleed kit in reverse (much kudos to DannyP for that inspirational suggestion).

Changed a leaking outer front CV boot.

Bled the brakes up.

Got all the crud out from in front of the car, pulled the trailer out and had a quick test to get fuel.

Finished at 02:30 .

Going to a track day now.  Photos etc later.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 28 February 2009, 22:55
If you've never been to the track at Haynes Motor Museum in Sparkford it's a teeny tiny little sprint-type thing.  This means a day spent there is mostly titting about and hoofing the car around one of the many permutations of driving it you can think up:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3020LR.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3046LR.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3014LR.jpg)

Among the other cars on the track were two (yes, two) ex-police Vauxhall Omega MV6s -

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_2989LR.jpg)

These were being drifted bloody well around the track by a few coppers - much sideways action, along with various MX-5s, an E30 M3, a Fiesta XR2, a 2 door ABF Jetta, a Golf GTI with a 9A 16VT and seam-welded shell and various other track toys being played with
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Post by: LazyLunatic on 01 March 2009, 00:03
^ sounds like / looks like good fun :) ^

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Post by: sharpie on 01 March 2009, 09:24
aren't you glad you left the polo at home?
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Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 01 March 2009, 12:59
aren't you glad you left the polo at home?

 :grin: :grin: :grin:

That thing probably would have enjoyed it just as much.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 March 2009, 13:34
Oh I don't know - I think it could have been quite a giggle, actually.
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Post by: Khare on 01 March 2009, 13:37
DH how much did that trackday cost? I would be up for going to one with you if you allow titanic to come along.
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Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 01 March 2009, 18:33
Oh I don't know - I think it could have been quite a giggle, actually.

Exactly why I say it WOULD have enjoyed it.. I certainly took to it the other night no questions.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 06 March 2009, 00:12
Now sporting polycarb rear side windows and hatch window.

And not sporting a rear wiper, or wind-down rear windows.  Much heavy stuff came out of the doors (more still to go, too).

Windows supplied and fitted by these guys: http://www.acwmotorsportplastics.co.uk/

Who did a top job and take a lot of pride in producing and fitting a great product.  :cool:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 06 March 2009, 07:49
Video of some stupidity at Sparkford from the weekend is here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bucP80Bw9TM).

Badly driven, under-powered and having fun.  :grin:

That three-wheel action in full:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Tripod.jpg)
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 March 2009, 09:16
Good day at Goodwood for Danny_P and I yesterday. 

New wheels and tyres got bedded in on Thursday, on the bent Polo:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3155LR.jpg)

Then there was a festival of wheel swapping Thursday evening and a quick oil and filter change (as well as a load of work on the trailer - 2 brake linings had fallen off their shoes  :rolleyes:).

While I was doing this, Danny was swearing at his new engine, about an hour north.

I was up at 5AM, on the road by 6 and at Goodwood a bit before 9AM.  Unfortunately I was too late for the 08:30 briefing, so there was a little milling about and then another briefing (which went on half an hour!!).  We then had to do 3 sighting laps behind their 'pace car' (or Ford Ranger pickup as I like to call them) and then we were released for the remains of that 15minute session.  I think I did six sessions through the day, most of which were with the camera running in the car.  There's a couple of videos up.

Danny following me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaOsxH-sHzA)

The Large being given - Golf3 bye bye (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNwcFstrtgA)

The guy I went with came out for a couple of sessions with me and also took a few photos:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3164LR.jpg)

Note the M6 about to monster the pair of us - he was pulling 130 and 150mph  on the first and second straights respectively.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3158LR.jpg)

Also note OEM grille replacing the badgeless tat that was on there.  I've not got around to changing the red stripe on there yet and I quite like it, so it might stay, or get changed for a Tornado red one at some point.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3166LR.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3173LR.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3176LR.jpg)

I'm warming up the can of whup-ass in this one.  It'll probably be ready next lap  :grin:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3160.jpg)

Top day.
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Post by: k33p it low on 14 March 2009, 09:59
looks like a lot of fun!!
some good pics there
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Post by: sharpie on 14 March 2009, 10:12
photo of danny, you and the m6 is ace
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 May 2009, 23:18
No real update right now, but the Golf is now back in my workshop, after getting the MG Midget back out.

I have a veritable heap of stuff for it, waiting to go on and into it. 

First up is a new passenger side strut top mount, as that started clonking at Goodwood.  At the same time as this I have a set of slightly lower springs to try on it.  After that it'll be off to Pro-tyre for a little wheel alignment. 

There is a built Megasquirt lying around, ready to be hooked up to it, to see what extra grunt will come out of the crossflow 8V, so that's pretty high up on the list of priorities - see what it'll give before it makes way for the ABF now sitting on the floor in the workshop.  I also have the required various OEM downpipes to make up a tubular manifold for an ABF, OEM downpipes are chock full of nice bends, see.

Before the ABF goes in I have a pair of buckets and 6 point harnesses, that only need a cage to join them for me to be able to fit it all up.  I've spoken to Custom Cages about a multipoint cage, which will be £665 in kit form.  I want to chase down a couple of other alternatives first though, as the only option for harness bars in the Custom Cages set up are for the harnesses to go around the bar that crosses the rear struts - the main hoop isn't large enough diameter for the bars, which is why they're supposed to go on the cross bar (further back).

Hopefully I'll have the cage and buckets in for the July gig in Combe, but with a change of jobs time is at something of a premium at the moment.  :sad:
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Post by: Horney on 26 May 2009, 23:24
For the July Combe session have you booked 3 sessions, 6 or just going for an as and when?

Nick
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 May 2009, 23:26
Should have 6.

Need to beat someone up about stuff for this event......
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Post by: Horney on 26 May 2009, 23:29
Was just wondering as it's mighty expensive. Thinking I may just go for 3 and see if my Dad or one of mates wants to go for the other 3.

nick
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 May 2009, 23:38
I've said I'll take a few folks out and round and it's bloody good fun and with all the stuff I've got going on at the moment I might not make too many events this year.

Got to be done, really.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 27 May 2009, 20:56
Bought a full day of sessions today.

Job jobbed.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 June 2009, 22:11
Managed to grab some time on it this weekend.

Fitted the Eibach lowering springs I had lying around.  These were for an Ibiza, I think.  This meant a quick scrapyard mission to get the required smaller spring caps

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3741LR.jpg)

Bigger ones were the Syncro ones.  The one in the photo isn't one of those which went on the car - the ones on it are even lighter. Because of the amount of weight lost out of the back all that heavyweight sprung steel just ain't needed.

and here are the fronts - Toledo 8V Sport ones vs the Eibach ones:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3742LR.jpg)

Back end will come up (a bit) when the set of wheels in the back are out!  To be fair though - there's still quite a bit of travel on the back even now.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3815LR.jpg)

Front might settle a touch.  Not too much, I hope though -

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3816LR.jpg)

Note the front wishbones are about level only *just* slightly pointing up at the outsides - handling characteristics should be still sound.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3809LR.jpg)

Negative camber on all four corners now (the suspension set up causes an increase in negative camber as the rear is lowered on the Syncro.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_3740LR.jpg)

Been coming on for a while.  It's only Eibach lowering springs on (fresh) stock dampers and Golf3 front top mount, but it's going to make Bovington (and all it's 'concrete dust'  :rolleyes:) a touch interesting as I find out what it's done to the handling.
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Post by: MarkS on 03 June 2009, 19:21

Been coming on for a while.  It's only Eibach lowering springs on (fresh) stock dampers and Golf3 front top mount, but it's going to make Bovington (and all it's 'concrete dust'  :rolleyes:) a touch interesting as I find out what it's done to the handling.

You still going on about that?  :rolleyes:

Have a good time anyways, looked like a good event
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 03 June 2009, 22:02
Oh I'm not done with it yet.  You won't believe the amount of life there is in that yet.

I've not yet had the opportunity to see the concrete dust with my own eyes.

I expect I'll get it in them and spend most of the time there washing it out.

I fear for the top-down MX-5 drivers.
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Post by: MarkS on 04 June 2009, 05:06
Oh I'm not done with it yet.  You won't believe the amount of life there is in that yet.

I've not yet had the opportunity to see the concrete dust with my own eyes.

I expect I'll get it in them and spend most of the time there washing it out.

I fear for the top-down MX-5 drivers.

Debatable...

Basically I said I had 'one concern' and instead of any useful input or clarification there was a (highly informative) rant, which appears now to have spanned from April to June...

I think you misunderstood me wanting some clarification on something, for criticism.

But yeah, I'm sure it'll be fine and make sure to get some vids of the track action!
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 04 June 2009, 13:18
You'll be pleased to hear the Pentax I use to get track videos is water and dustproof.

Look out for videos somewhen next week.

Concrete dust - I hear it's the scourge of motorways.

This is a short-term rant - rants on the theme of rollcages and harnesses now span years.
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Post by: MarkS on 04 June 2009, 14:16
'Fake' roll cages and mounting harnesses in such a way that can cause spinal compression and be potentially fatal- fair rant

Someone, who would have been potentially interested in going to the event, having a question that he was hoping would be answered by someone with more experience than himself- bit unjust in my opinion.

It's a shame I missed out, but I'm glad it's fully booked because, at the end of the day, it's for a good cause :)
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 June 2009, 01:06
Photos of my car, from the event are here (http://diamondhell.com/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=29&page=inline&gid=72&limit=1)

Now in new, lowered and four-wheel aligned mode.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 July 2009, 13:46
Megasquirt ECU - check
Wideband lambda management module - check
Wideband lambda sensor - check
2E throttlebody with potentiometer - check
DannyP - check
Soldering iron - check
Laptop and cables - check
Enough food to keep DannyP here - ish.

It's going to be quite an interesting day.
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Post by: Horney on 18 July 2009, 17:46
Sounds like a good day to me. Look forward to seeing the results at Combe on Saturday.

nick
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 19 July 2009, 00:42
Sounds like a good day to me. Look forward to seeing the results at Combe on Saturday.

Me too.

Oh well.

It's called 'development' for a reason. :grin:
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Post by: LazyLunatic on 21 July 2009, 11:21
Megasquirt ECU - check
Wideband lambda management module - check
Wideband lambda sensor - check
2E throttlebody with potentiometer - check
DannyP - check
Soldering iron - check
Laptop and cables - check
Enough food to keep DannyP here - ish.

It's going to be quite an interesting day.

LOL! sounds like it will be an awesome day!

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Post by: JC on 21 July 2009, 11:27
Sounds like a good day to me. Look forward to seeing the results at Combe on Saturday.

Me too.

Oh well.

It's called 'development' for a reason. :grin:

and if all esle fails you can take the 'sat round  :grin:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 24 August 2009, 08:44
It's about time I tipped some more stuff into this thread.  The main annoyance right now is that I have a CLUNK.

It's coming from the front nearside corner of the car and happens.... well let's just say a lot.

I thought it was the G3 top mount, so I clamped down the spring and swapped that out yesterday (woo for not screwing the geometry!).  I then took out for a test drive with my glamourous assistant (2 1/2 year old daughter) who declared it 'too noisy'.  I thought it was too noisy, as the b-stard CLUNK was still there.

So, after getting it up in the air and getting properly nasty with the wheel to try and figure out what the hell it was I've come to a conclusion.

It's the Bonrath polybush at the back of the lower arm. 

When this was fitted (last May, in Nurburg) the guy fitting it refused to dunk it in hot water for 10 minutes before pushing it in the arm.  When it went in it tore off the lip on the side that was pushed through.  I was pretty pi$$ed at him at the time and now I'm even more pi$$ed about it.  For the second one I went and got a jug of hot water and sat the bush in there, before he pushed it in.  It went in much quicker and didn't f*ck the bush on the way in.

So, the lesson remains the same: if you want it done properly, do it yourself (unless it's something to do with engine management, in which case find someone who doesn't have The Fear on them about wires - I recommend DannyP).  At least if you do it yourself you've only yourself to blame when something f*cks up.  Shame I was about 600 miles away from my press when the bushes went last year.

On a more positive note, I have the Golf down on the IOW to use for work this week.  To make it slightly less greedy on fuel I've put a 3bar fuel pressure regulator in it, although this noticeably takes away quite a bit of grunt north of 6K.... so if I go out for a hoon one evening I think I might bob the 4 bar reg back in there.  :grin:

As a footnote/placeholder on the management side.... we spent a day trying to get the MS running on the existing engine loom, but it wasn't having any of it, so later this year the whole engine loom will come out and have a MS-specific one fitted.  The WBO2 kit also wouldn't play ball, so that's out of the car at the moment.  When Danny took it home for a good talking to, after it messed us about it turns out the destructions were missing three capacitors.  These have now been fitted, so the box and sensor will now talk to the laptop.

The only other thing of note is that I've fitted Foamalux doorcards to all four doors.  This stuff costs about £20 per 8'X4' sheet.  One sheet will do all four cards, if you're careful.  It's really easy to work - you can use a Stanley knife, hacksaw, rasp and sandpaper on it.  When I fitted the cards I was able to remove quite a lot of material from the inside of the rear doors.  If you drill a large hole in the rear corner it's possible to rear the lock mechanism, so it's still possible to lock and unlock the rear doors, which is good.  I've left the front doors alone, as they still have the winder mech in them etc.  The next thing I need to get sorted is a pull strap on both front doors.  Once this is done I'm going to cut and re-weld the winder stubs, as they stick out a LONG way without the bulky door cards.  When I've done this I might bother taking photos.... no rush though.

Now all I need is life to settle down a bit and I can crack on with getting the seats/cage/harnesses in.  Sadly, the way things are going this isn't going to happen until this winter at the VERY earliest.  It's been an incredibly frustrating year in many ways.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 30 August 2009, 14:20
I'm chasing the CLUNK.

This morning I removed and stripped off the control arms on the front.  The rear polybushes were then pressed out.  After this the seams on all sides were stripped back and then welded down, to help stiffness and steering accuracy.  I've now primed the arms and they'll get a couple of rough top coats before I press in a pair of OEM TT bushes, which have been suggested as a trial by Beavis, who noticed their identical dimensions on the shelf at Vee W Services in Bristol.

Pics when finished.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 31 August 2009, 00:30
OK, so control arms out:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0254LR.jpg)

Cleaned up and then stitched along the seams:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0260LR.jpg)

Clean up and then a little light coating of stop-it-rusting:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0276LR.jpg)

Here's the TT bush alongside the Bonrath Polybush:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0278LR.jpg)

and here's the TT bush pushed in:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0279LR.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0280LR.jpg)

Should know tomorrow whether I've sorted out the CLUNK or not.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 31 August 2009, 21:36
The CLUNK appears to have been dispatched.  :grin:

In addition, I now appear to have pretty much razor-sharp steering responses.  Beavis came out on the test run with me and said it was apparent how much sharper it was from the passenger seat.

Dead chuffed with the mod, although the question remains - was it the TT rear bush, or the welding up of the control arms that made the difference?

Bah, who cares, it's all good.
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Post by: Horney on 31 August 2009, 21:39
Best add this to the list of hings to do over the winter then. Sounds awesome.

nick
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 31 August 2009, 21:48
Send me your control arms and bushes when you're ready and I'll stitch them and press the bushes in if you want.  If doesn't take long.
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Post by: Horney on 31 August 2009, 21:50
You're a gentleman and a scholar. Will probably be sometime in the new year.

nick
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 31 August 2009, 21:53
it will be the welding because the tt bushes wont be as good for steering as the poly bushes. im surprised you didnt just replace it

get some passat wishbones on there, they are box sectioned as standard!
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 31 August 2009, 23:27
the tt bushes wont be as good for steering as the poly bushes.

Cos....
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Post by: Matty-MK3 on 01 September 2009, 08:12
Is this not done yet?  :kiss:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 September 2009, 08:58
Well it's done in-as-much as it drives bloody well and can be thrown around a track with impunity, but it's an ongoing project, so in that way, no, it will never be done.

 :kiss:
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 01 September 2009, 19:00
the tt bushes wont be as good for steering as the poly bushes.

Cos....

cos its rubber duh
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Post by: mattneck(Beavis) on 01 September 2009, 19:16
the tt bushes wont be as good for steering as the poly bushes.

Cos....

cos its rubber duh

it's a solid as a rock single piece of rubber with a smaller surface area than the poly.. its not got much area to move or flex like a standard golf 2 bush.. it fits the S3 as well which I imagine from the factory to be made pretty firm and tough..
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 01 September 2009, 19:25
still softer than poly though  :wink:

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Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 September 2009, 20:46
cos its rubber duh

No, that's utter balls.

Have you had hold of these little suckers?  Compared them side by side vs the polybushes?

What's the compound?  'Rubber' ain't rubber these days.  It's a compound.  The hardness of the compound is controlled massively by the formulation and density.  These are OEM spec parts from a 'sports car' or an ultra-high performance hatch.

If the TT bushes were designed to fit the TT and the S3 they've been designed to be worked exceedingly hard.  I suspect the 'design' in a lot of polybushes is 'how can we make it not too hard to fit in?'  They figure a shape out, then take the poly material out of the freezer and machine it down appropriately, before shoving it in the hole and seeing how it works. If it's not quite right then they probably have another few goes.

I rather suspect there's a *touch* more R&D in the TT bushes I've just pressed into my control arms than the R&D that went into the polybushes.

Consider how the bushes are constructed?  Metal outer (so less bushing material).  This is then bonded to the bushing material, which is then bonded to the inner shaft.  The whole thing's tighter than a nun's chuff.  Compare this to the poly unit, which has no outer metal surface to bond the bushing material to and then has a metal insert that can be just pushed in by hand.

Believe me they were a LOT stiffer than I remember the polybushes being when they went in.  I don't think £27 for the pair of them was all spent on scene whoreage points.
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 01 September 2009, 20:47
well as long as your happy
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 September 2009, 21:28
I'll bet you can't actually ever remember being wrong, can you?

Not even when it comes to grammar and spelling.
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Post by: JC on 01 September 2009, 21:30
as and when you need the ballast test carrying out Tom give me a shout  :grin: :wink:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 September 2009, 21:48
The words 'Brands' and 'December' spring to mind for some reason.  :wink:
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Post by: Horney on 01 September 2009, 21:52
The words 'Brands' and 'December' spring to mind for some reason.  :wink:

Oh rely? I was thinking I was done for the year with mine due to needing a lot of new tyres but I reckon December I can have it all sorted!

Nick
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 02 September 2009, 09:25
I'll bet you can't actually ever remember being wrong, can you?

(http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/pot_kettle_black.jpg)

 :grin:  :wink:
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Post by: Horney on 02 September 2009, 09:27
It's like an unmovable object meeting an unstopable force!

Nick
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 02 September 2009, 09:35
the unmovable syncro v's the unstoppable valver  :laugh:
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Post by: JC on 02 September 2009, 10:11
The words 'Brands' and 'December' spring to mind for some reason.  :wink:

dates please, time off shall be booked  :wink:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 September 2009, 14:05
the unmovable syncro v's the unstoppable valver 

Yes, completely.  I am confident you will thrash the pants off either Danny or my Syncro.*
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 02 September 2009, 14:07
aah you take eveything too seriously mate, chill out

whats the * by the way?
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 September 2009, 14:11
*conditions apply.
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 02 September 2009, 14:11
yeeees, the conditions being?
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Post by: Horney on 02 September 2009, 14:20
I whoop you all with my 2wd 8valve beast*

nick


*in my dreams.
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 02 September 2009, 14:23
you will with your r888 slicks  :laugh:
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Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 02 September 2009, 14:37
I'll bet you can't actually ever remember being wrong, can you?

Are you ever wrong then?  :tongue:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 September 2009, 14:46
yeeees, the conditions being?

So many questions?

Look I've told you you'll whoop my and Danny's asses with your car in certain conditions.

Why'd you need to know anything more?

Are you ever wrong then? 

Regularly.  Ask my wife.
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Post by: LazyLunatic on 02 September 2009, 15:15
yeeees, the conditions being?

So many questions?

Look I've told you you'll whoop my and Danny's asses with your car in certain conditions.

Why'd you need to know anything more?

Are you ever wrong then? 

Regularly.  Ask my wife.

ahhh your annoying, you always have an answer for everything!!!! :angry:

:D :D :D :D :D

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Post by: JC on 02 September 2009, 17:25
Are you ever wrong then? 

Regularly.  Ask my wife.

I've known him to be wrong too :rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 02 September 2009, 18:22
Regularly.  Ask my wife.

I know the feeling mate.
Its not if i'm always right, its when am i ever right?  :rolleyes:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 November 2009, 21:01
Didn't I put up photos from when last at Combe?

There's only two.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Al1LR.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Al6LR.jpg)

The Golf has been seriously neglected since about August, was it?

Mostly down to moving house, not getting the Corrado.

2009 is suddenly looking pretty shyte track-action-wise due to budgetary constraints - moving house is expensive, especially as all the banks want +15% equity..... Here's hoping I can do something about the whole damned thing, we'll have to see.

So, last track day of the year and I've finally made a date to have a nose round Brands Hatch.  Only playing on the Indy circuit, but I'm sure it'll be interesting.

What've I done in preparation? 

Quick blast and remembered how f*cking great it is and how well set up it is I know it too.

Now, anyone got a suction mount I can borrow for the camera?  If not I'm going to have to bite the bullet and buy one.
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Post by: Jay on 29 November 2009, 21:39
Make one out of the passenger head rest  :grin: Unless your you're planning on having someone in there with you?
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 November 2009, 22:04
Make one out of the passenger head rest. Unless you're planning on having someone in there with you?

Well I normally take some goon out in the shotgun seat.  :grin:
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Post by: JC on 30 November 2009, 07:37
Make one out of the passenger head rest. Unless you're planning on having someone in there with you?

Well I normally take some goon out in the shotgun seat.  :grin:

You called,  :laugh:
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Post by: Guy on 30 November 2009, 07:41
Make one out of the passenger head rest. Unless you're planning on having someone in there with you?

Well I normally take some goon out in the shotgun seat.  :grin:

You called,  :laugh:

ha haa!  :grin:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 30 November 2009, 09:58
You called,  :laugh:

If I'd meant you I'd have said 'some fat-ass'.  :tongue:

Bring the gun on Thursday, just in case we need to swap off wets, darling.
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Post by: JC on 30 November 2009, 10:02
You called,  :laugh:

If I'd meant you I'd have said 'some fat-ass'.  :tongue:

Bring the gun on Thursday, just in case we need to swap off wets, darling.

will do -   :kiss:
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Post by: T_J_G on 30 November 2009, 18:31
When you going Brands?
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 30 November 2009, 18:32
0/10 for initiative.

Reread the above posts more carefully.
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Post by: T_J_G on 30 November 2009, 19:05

So, last track day of the year and I've finally made a date to have a nose round Brands Hatch.  Only playing on the Indy circuit, but I'm sure it'll be interesting.

You called,  :laugh:

[qoute]
Bring the gun on Thursday, just in case we need to swap off wets, darling.

There's nothing to say that you'll be at Brands on Thursday. I could have assumed but I'd have assumed wrong! Although admittedly I understand the a last sentence now.
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Post by: Horney on 03 December 2009, 18:38
Facebook updates suggest a good time was had by all!

nick
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 04 December 2009, 08:07
Meh, we went, we drove, we came home.

The Golf was the Golf - slow on the straights, slower in the corners.

The IOW provided a proper spread of goons at the event and the Red Funnel ferry was properly funny on the way back - almost the entire lower deck was cars on trailers.  :grin:
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 04 December 2009, 09:46
looks like you had the r888's on in guys pics. how were they in the rain?

any video footage of you going slow?
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 04 December 2009, 12:05
looks like you had the r888's on in guys pics. how were they in the rain?

In short, f*cking great.  Unless it's standing water or ice I'd seriously recommend them.  I had T1-Rs, but didn't feel the need to put them on.

This might be the effect of sticks-like-sh*t-to-a-blanket 4WD though.

any video footage of you going slow?

Yes.  I have a lot of footage of the back of people's helmets, due to the 'tarded attitude towards mounts at Brands.

I'll get it up when I have a chance, but as I'm completing on my house on Monday and have a LOT to do before Christmas, it might be a while before it goes up.  I'm slow at pretty much everything, me.  :grin:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 05 December 2009, 15:19
As guy's put it up and not said anything, there's a video from him here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WHsIIJOZ_I).

Remember kids, swearing at the other drivers will improve your line.  :grin:
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Post by: JC on 05 December 2009, 15:57
but swearing at Danny dont get ya car back to the Pits  :grin: :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 05 December 2009, 18:40
but swearing at Danny dont get ya car back to the Pits 

And that is a fact.  :grin:
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Post by: JC on 05 December 2009, 18:42
 :grin:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 December 2009, 11:38
Germany, April 19th, 2010, just booked at a searingly good price. 

DannyP will be sharing the driving as a thank you for the huge amount of work he's done on my house in the last couple of weeks.  The chap's one in a million.

Probably going to be about the only event I'm on in 2010, but there will be a LOT of HD video shot with the wide-angle lens.

Christmas, meh crack on.
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Post by: Jay on 23 December 2009, 13:31
That was a very good price you got :afro:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 December 2009, 18:40
Benefits of hooking into something obviously great really early.  :grin:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 January 2010, 18:49
Video being processed on Youthingy right now.  Here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmWKKp6nuqY)  DannyP at the helm.
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Post by: Alec on 01 January 2010, 19:30
Video wont play for me  :sad:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 January 2010, 19:44
Still being processed or something  :rolleyes:
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Post by: JC on 01 January 2010, 19:45
i watched it ok  :huh:

wheres the rest with the BALLAST   :undecided:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 January 2010, 19:52
The problem is that the BALLAST gets in the way of the camera.

Positioning FAIL.
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Post by: Chris-White on 02 January 2010, 19:33
Nice vid!

are the seats held in with sticky tape or something though?  :huh:
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Post by: Jay on 02 January 2010, 21:48
Is that a head unit you could remove to save weight? tsk tsk.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 03 January 2010, 00:49
are the seats held in with sticky tape or something though?  :huh:

Something about the position seems to accentuate the seat movement.  Strangely no one's commented on it.  To be fair the driver's seat does have fat knackers like DannyP and I sitting in it, so it puts up with a fair quantity of abuse.

The passenger seat also gets its fair share of ballast loaded on it.

For reference they're Scirocco seats so aren't exactly in the first flush of yoof.

Replacements are in the container, awaiting fitment, but need me to step up to another £700ish of cage and seat bars before I can fit them properly.

Is that a head unit you could remove to save weight? tsk tsk.

I'd take it out, but the prospect of the odd 8 hour drive to somewhere in Europe, with no music terrifies me.  Until I've proved I'll always trailer out there, the head unit and front speakers stay.  Beat Connection by LCD Soundsystem still gives me sweaty palms after some v-max naughtiness on the E40 in May 2008.  :grin:
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 03 January 2010, 10:07
make yourself some thin chocks and wedge them down the seat runners, makes the seats nice and solid  :wink:

what cage are you eyeing up that costs £700?  :shocked:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 03 January 2010, 10:19
Custom Cages Multipoint (http://www.customcages.co.uk/Rollcage/LoadRollCage.castle?manufacturer=Volkswagen&model=Golf%20Mk2&type=Multipoint)

Plus seat mounting bars, plus harness bars, plus gas, plus steel to make the sill plates, plus paint, plus all the other things I'm not expecting to buy which I will.
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Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 03 January 2010, 10:25
im being a tight bastard and buying one of the core kits and adding tubes to it  :grin: Think i've worked it out to cost £400ish all in, but will have to profile lots of tubes
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Post by: Horney on 03 January 2010, 14:50
Video being processed on Youthingy right now.  Here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmWKKp6nuqY)  DannyP at the helm.

Nice vid, lovin Danny's casual driving style. It's like he's gone out for a potter on a sunday afternoon, ha ha.

nick
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 February 2010, 12:35
Not much of an update right now, but the inlet manifold and an ABF throttlebody left bound for Futbus yesterday morning.  This is in preparation for a second attack on the Megasquirt front, after the first abortive attempt.

The first attempt failed because we were trying to ensure the car could be swapped back to the old management system.  This time it's sh*t or bust.

The ABF body is larger than the OEM ABA body.  The one which is on there at the moment is (I think) a 2E body, which has the same bolt spacings as the ABA.  I jerry-rigged this because where the car has been running Digifant II it needed closed throttle and wide-open throttle switches, not a throttle position sensor.

So, by switching to the ABF body we should see more air through the body and we get a TPS, which is what we want for Megasquirt.  We also delete the swinging-door MAF sensor, which is on the airbox.  This should all add up to more air through the system, so more power.

Of course, to actually liberate this extra power we need proper management - I have the Megasquirt built up and ready and a wide-band lambda box and sensor on the shelf, awaiting fitment.

As all this involves dragons and other mythical (and electrically powered) monsters I need a tamer of such black magic, so all of this should come together when the good Doctor P visits in a weekend or two's time.

MS should make the car a lot better to drive.  The map we've got on it is supposed to be for a heavily breathed on 8v, but the crossflow head (which has been worked on, remember) seems to flow not only more air, but flow it very differently to the counterflow. 

As I think mentioned before I've been swapping fuel pressure regs, depending on whether I've been on road, or on track.  With a 3 bar reg it leans out over 5k, with the 4 bar reg it has a lumpier (rich) idle, pulls well, but it goes flat at about 4.5k (we think it's running too rich at that point) and then picks up again just under 5k and throws itself violently at past the red line.

Once this is done I need to see whether the Inland Revenue return enough of last year's tax at the end of March to facilitate cage fitting before April 19th.  If that doesn't happen there won't be any rush as times is tight and the call of the (cheap as chips) off road trialing circuit is loud again.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 04 March 2010, 23:29
The closer it gets, the more I'm going to HAVE to cage it before the event..... provided I can scrape together the small change needed for a proper cage in the next weekish.
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Post by: Hurdy on 05 March 2010, 21:08
Stop messing about and get that cage in!!

Pics needed after fitting :smiley:
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Post by: Jay on 05 March 2010, 21:14
Hopefully you'll see the gains we were discussing earlier, hopefully more  :cool:

Sounds like you lot are going to have an ace time over there, one day I'll make it there...
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 05 March 2010, 21:23
Stop messing about and get that cage in!!

Why, d'ya want a ride in a real performance car?  :grin:

Just trying to find someone who gives a f*ck about their products.  Custom Cages I'm not convinced about at the moment.....

Might just buy the CDS pre-formed hoops and 20m of CDS and make it up on the fly.

One of the things pointed out by JJ (links etc in due course) was that the CC set up has a cross-brace in the vertical hoop.  If you're a big, fat knacker like me this puts the cross-brace where the bucket seat-back should be.  Looks like we'll have the cross-bracing in the rear diagonal hoop, as well as the harness bars.  I'm going to have to see how things go as to whether I pick up the front turrets on this run, or whether that's a later mod to the set up, after I fully seam it up (whenever that is).

Tempted to whip the front wings off, too, but I'm nervous about the amount of remedial work that might uncover when time's a bit tight already!!

May whip the dash out tomorrow, in prep..... and start getting the engine bay wiring ready for the MS install.
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Post by: Hurdy on 08 March 2010, 00:42
Stop messing about and get that cage in!!

Why, d'ya want a ride in a real performance car?  :grin:

  If you're a big, fat knacker like me.......

You don't need 2 fat knackers in your car weighing it down :laugh:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 09 March 2010, 09:14
Ordered a bunch of various electrical bits for the MS install last night.

Still mithering over cage choice as there's a bit of to-ing and fro-ing going on about what will be legal at the 'ring from this year.

Annoying.
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Post by: Hurdy on 10 March 2010, 10:34
I thought you only had to worry about cage specs if you were running a non road legal car or were planning to run full slicks? :undecided:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 March 2010, 15:44
Get on Northloop  :wink:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 11 March 2010, 12:36
Got my modified inlet manifold back yesterday - MUCH bigger hole for gas to flow through  :grin:

Electrical gubbins has turned up today.

We're on for poking electrical gremlins with sticks this weekend.  :cool:
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Post by: LazyLunatic on 11 March 2010, 20:27
Electrical gubbins has turned up today.

We're on for poking electrical gremlins with sticks this weekend.  :cool:

I hate those damn gremlins. does poking them work? let me know, might have to give it a try :cool:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 11 March 2010, 22:09
Poking things with sticks has a proven success rate.
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Post by: Stu.750 on 11 March 2010, 22:45
ive got some Bosch electical smoke in a Jar here if you need it
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 11 March 2010, 23:20
There's way too much wiring in my car already.

All wires contain huge quantities of smoke.  I don't need any additional smoke, in a jar or not.
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 13 March 2010, 21:32
Time to fit Megasquirt.

Quick!  Take the whole thing apart:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0029lr.jpg)

Decided to move some stuff backwards to help weight balance:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0030LR.jpg)

Old loom out:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0032lr.jpg)

Pulling out a load of tat from among that and then the remains will be going in, with the new MS loom.

New loom going in:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0034LR.jpg)

Sore as hell because it was so damned cold.
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Post by: Khare on 13 March 2010, 21:38
is Danny helping you out with it?

Looks like preparations for april are well underway then  :smiley:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 13 March 2010, 21:49
Yeah, he's down this weekend.

We seem to have bitten a rather large chunk off.  Now we just need to make sure we can chew it all up in the next few weeks....
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 March 2010, 23:52
MS box, new fuse and relay box, battery and soon to be hooked up wide-band boxes are all residing in the rear seat area now.  The washer bottle is also ready to be strapped into the boot.

Engine is now MS'ed up loom-wise.  Still need to sort out the other two looms - sensors and lights and get them back in.  Got lots of surplus wiring out, too.

It has run on MS, using the dizzi as the crank position sensor.

Even from the initial running it has a very crisp bark when the throttle's blipped.  I think this is going to be maintained across the rev range as we're now running the larger ABF throttlebody, as well as the MS.  Very much looking forward to driving it.  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: LazyLunatic on 15 March 2010, 08:44
sounds good bud.

when you next taking it to a track?
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 March 2010, 10:33
Nurburgring.

April 19th.

http://www.destination-nurburgring.com/
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Post by: LazyLunatic on 15 March 2010, 10:35
Nurburgring.

April 19th.

http://www.destination-nurburgring.com/

ahhh! not long away! bet you cant wait, i have to go there this year or the next, even if its just to spectate.

enjoy :)
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Post by: Jimp on 15 March 2010, 18:08
How are you using the dizzy as the crank position sensor? From a mechanical point of view I mean, what aspect of the dizzy is equivilent to the reading of the crank position?
How many stock sensors have you replaced with wideband?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Paul86S2 on 15 March 2010, 18:50
Good work, interested to see how much better you think it runs with MS.

All those wires and electrickery stuff would give me sleepless nights (doesn't help being colour blind as well as clueless)

Paul
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 15 March 2010, 18:54
standard narrowband lambda sensor is replaced with wideband and it's controller.   so we can read AFR's between 10 & 20:1   instead of 14.7:1 +/- a iccel bit

other than that the MS is useing all standard vw sensors + it's internal MAP sensor.  

TPS sensor is ABF as throttel body was upgraded to ABF item for more flow
Air temp sensor is ABF as we had one
coolant temp sensor is old digi one
injectors are g60 greens on 4 bar reg

Air flow meter not required as currently useing speed density

the 2e dissy " can " be use for cranck trigger just the same way digi 2 used it.   bit of a pita to get first start untill you've worked out the offset of the sensor in the dizzy.  it's around 23 degrees ( from rotor arm centerd over notch in dizzy body ) if anyone needs to know.   it can be a bit of a pita because untill you know that getting the offset rigth the sparks can miss the connection to the relivant plug lead in the dizzy. toothed wheel much more accurate and easyer to setup, at some point soon ish i think it'll be getting upgarded as wheel and pickup are allready purchased   they just need fitting behind the flywheel. wasted spark and coil packs will also be makeing an appearance i think.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 March 2010, 20:14
/\ The man's a legend /\

Good work, interested to see how much better you think it runs with MS.

Got high hopes for this as the management on it before was just ALL over the place, at the very least fueling-wise.

Auto-tune with the wide-band should get the fueling on the nail pretty much, then we need to figure the ignition map.  Danny is waiting on some knock sensing kit which should complete the whole picture.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Matty-MK3 on 15 March 2010, 20:38
Thought this was ABF'd. :huh:
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Post by: Mew on 15 March 2010, 20:54
Thought this was ABF'd. :huh:

Thought wrong
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Jay on 15 March 2010, 20:57
That's the Corrado. This is a 2.0L 8v from a Passat iirc.

Kinda strange for someone who keeps telling others to fit an ABF to then go and fit a poorly breathing 8v  :tongue:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Matty-MK3 on 15 March 2010, 22:03
Thought this was ABF'd. :huh:

Thought wrong

Top marks for observation. :tongue:

Yes Jay, true. :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 15 March 2010, 22:51
i've got the ABF'ed one   :grin:

DH built his car before we chucked teh 16v in mine, so the whole 16v syncro downpipe was a bit of an unknown.  so it got an 8v  as all the current work can be adaped to any other engine without much effort it dosent matter that it's an 8v.   
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 16 March 2010, 08:18
this car blatantly needs turboing

the pic with the battery on the rear bench floor, are you swapping the ecu and battery around? the battery weight would be more useful on the passenger side
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 16 March 2010, 09:34
Good call, but it's less of an issue as I normally have some sort of Ballast on board.  :grin:  I might move it to the centre of the car though.

With regards to turbos and 16Vs and such-like, if we'd done Danny's ABF first mine definitely would be an ABF, but we didn't.  I blame malign, gormless continental influences.

If I had the money I'd be tempted to turbo it, but it provides a heap of fun as it is and has been very reliable to date.... oh and I don't have the money.  To turbo it properly would need low compression pistons and a different cam as well as all the other turbo-associated bits - all more weight.

I'd be more interested in sticking ITBs on it, which would suit my driving style more..... as would a 16V (as eny fule kno who's been in a car with me).

The bottom end is a 2E from a Passat, the top is a crossflow head from something else - it's a bitsa mota.

Really, the question now is how much more BHP can I get from an 8V without spending mega-bucks?  It's a perverse route that needs to be investigated before I add more valves, I think.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 16 March 2010, 12:39
go on turbo it with stacked gaskets  what's the worst that can happen. 
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 16 March 2010, 12:57
go on turbo it with stacked gaskets  what's the worst that can happen. 

You KNOW what the worst that can happen is.

We'll see where things go after this next gig..... but you know I'm more screaming ITB-focused.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 16 March 2010, 21:14
yup, there is a danger it may work perfectly and never go bang.   
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 17 March 2010, 07:56
stop being a pussy and stack the gaskets  :tongue:

your car is heavier and has more traction than a normal golf, therefore it needs more power!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 March 2010, 13:19
So to turbo an 8V all I need to do is stack a couple of headgaskets, yeah?

So I won't need to spend hundreds of pounds on an exhaust manifold, turbo, intercooler, pipework and associated bits?

If it was just stacked gaskets I'd be there already, but unless you or anyone else has the above just lying around and wants to hand it over for buttons I'm going to hold off spending money I don't have right now.

Especially until I've finalised what the f*ck I'm doing about the cage install.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Chris-White on 17 March 2010, 13:43
but unless you or anyone else has the above just lying around and wants to hand it over for buttons I'm going to hold off spending money I don't have right now.

Jay has a gtd thats sitting doing nothing with those bits on  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Jay on 17 March 2010, 13:59
That I do, but I was told the Diesel turbo's are different to petrol turbo's which is why I turned down a free engine  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 17 March 2010, 17:27
diesel turbos are to small.

but in the shed amongst the dragons there are boost makers
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Paul86S2 on 17 March 2010, 19:47
Did you buy the MS as a kit and build it up yourself? If so how much and where from?

Or buy it fully assembled and if so how much and where from?

Pm me if you don't want to let everyone know the costs (or how cheap you are :grin:) Been offered a set of ITB's and need to look at the extra costs.

Also interested to see if you can set up the tuning yourself via laptop or whether you are going to need it set up on a rolling road tune - no doubt you and Danny will astonish me and get it set up between you both.

Keep up the good work.

Paul
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: maxp on 17 March 2010, 20:02
Sorry for a totaly noobie question, but a syncro is a four wheel drive golf right? Were/Are they rare? An expensive 'extra' option? A limited edition? Ive had a look on google but there isnt much info.

Interestingly enough I saw a white one like this in Watford a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 17 March 2010, 22:21
syncros are 4wd,  650 RHD ones were made many more in LHD   and yus they were expensive  more £ than a 16vgti  iirc

oops edited
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 March 2010, 22:36
H'mmmm, turbos.  We'll just have to see what appears on the IOW this summer, but the priority has to be safety before any further significant sums go on motive power.

Sorry for a totaly noobie question, but a syncro is a four wheel drive golf right? Were/Are they rare? An expensive 'extra' option? A limited edition? Ive had a look on google but there isnt much info.

650 RHD Golf Syncros were built and delivered into the UK.
115 RHD Jetta Syncros were built and delivered into the UK.

It was a CL spec Golf running a 1.8 carb motor that cost about the same as a 16V GTI.

It was available 87-91.  The Golf3 was only available with Syncro transmission in LHD format.

Did you buy the MS as a kit and build it up yourself? If so how much and where from?

I bought it as a kit, with a loom.  I bought the wideband control box as a kit.

The MS kit and loom cost about £200.
The Wideband lambda cost about £100, plus £70 for the sensor.
I just spent £100 on connectors, the new fusebox and mini-blade fuses.  I had sufficient relays so I didn't need to buy any.

DannyP's built both boxes....... well he actually built my MS box, the one for the MG and his..... and the wideband control boxes for all three motors.

Also interested to see if you can set up the tuning yourself via laptop or whether you are going to need it set up on a rolling road tune - no doubt you and Danny will astonish me and get it set up between you both.

The wideband should enable us to get the fueling right throughout.  That's the reason it was bought.  We need a base ignition map to work with.  REALLY good knock boxes are seriously expensive.  Danny's working on a knock solution, but it's not there yet, so the auto-tune for the ignition map isn't ready to go yet.

So, we can get the fueling set up on the road, with a laptop and some cunning software.

Could I have done it without DannyP?  

No.  

Watching him apply resistors and diodes to the loom to protect the ECU and deliver clean signals to it, you need to have serious and extensive experience of this kit.  In addition to that you need the ability to understand how an engine should sound and why it sounds like it does, so you can get things up and running initially.

If it had been me on my own I would have needed to buy a pre-built kit and stick to a proven set of sensors etc, or I'd have been scrabbling about in the dark VERY gormlessly.  I would have probably headed off down the Emerald or other non-open source route and there's nothing wrong with that..... except you're hog-tied into the whole package and the vendor supplied bits..... and some of those bits are seriously marked up!

Don't get me wrong - I pulled out the loom from a Subaru Legacy and got it sorted to run in my T25 Syncro, but this is so far ahead of that in tech and knowledge requirements it's untrue.

ITBs, h'mmm.  Danny's got a set he's testing on his ABF, so it'd definitely be worth your while talking to him about them.   If you needed a stub manifold to suit, Dave at www.futbus.com would be able to help out - he did the one for the MG.

Talk to Danny about a solution for your car, but you'll need to take it to a rolling road to get it dialed in properly whoever builds the management package for it.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Paul86S2 on 17 March 2010, 23:06
Hmmm - thanks for the info.

Well beyond my colour blind inept electrical abilities. I was hoping you would say its all very complicated but ok if you follow the instructions carefully.

All sounds very complicated but should be well worthwhile in the end.

Off to look up Emerald units now.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 March 2010, 23:18
Omex might be a better bet for you, as they're Cheltenham-based, as opposed to Emerald who are on the other side of the country.

Give the guys at Interpro a call and see what they recommend.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: maxp on 18 March 2010, 00:48
Following up on my noob question, if they were more expensive than the 16v, how did VW pitch them to customers? As far as i know they use more fuel, and the golf is hardly suited to going off-road or towing. Icy/snowy/wet roads perhaps?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 March 2010, 07:40
They didn't really pitch them.

Certain people (often in rural areas) wanted a 4WD car for the security 4WD brings and were pleased to buy a 4WD Golf.  You should see the quantities of Golden Retriever hair I'm still pulling out of mine.

In Germany the weather is that much colder that a 4WD Golf has a major appeal.  The UK was always going to be a niche market, but you need to consider the market conditions at the time - Vauxhall had a 4WD Cavalier, Ford a 4WD Sierra and the Audi quattros were the bee's knees.  Why wouldn't VW offer a 4WD Golf variant?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 18 March 2010, 09:35
does ms have the ability to switch between 2 maps?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 18 March 2010, 10:11
yes. iirc you can even wire up a switch to select map not played with that feature yet tho
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 March 2010, 10:17
Attach laptop and put whatever the hell you want on it.  The map can be tuned while driving, or left set and the laptop disconnected.

When Danny was working on the MG he was changing variables in the map while it was running.  There'd be a cough and the pitch of the engine would change.  Not quite the F1 car playing happy birthday, but you ge the picture.

The auto-tune on the wide-band is the cutest bit I've seen so far - you set the AFR target ratios and the wideband feeds back to the MS unit, which constantly aims the fueling towards where it should be for the defined parameters.

The concept of having 'two maps' and switching between them's a bit basic, really.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Horney on 18 March 2010, 10:22
The concept of having 'two maps' and switching between them's a bit basic, really.

Depends what you want though eh? I mean if you for instance have to drive your car to and from trackdays it would be kinda cool to have an "economy map" for pootling there and "balls out who cares about how much fuel it uses" map for ultimate lap pace.

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 18 March 2010, 10:35
danny's answer was sufficient, no need for your pompous one. Aftermarket ecu's don't have this facility unless you spend thousands. So much for a simple concept eh?

1 for a road map, mapped on the road, 2 for a wot map, mapped on the rollers  :cool:

Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 March 2010, 12:53
Depends what you want though eh? I mean if you for instance have to drive your car to and from trackdays it would be kinda cool to have an "economy map" for pootling there and "balls out who cares about how much fuel it uses" map for ultimate lap pace.

If it's an NA motor it's not really the case - if it's mapped right, it's mapped right, all through the sites, whether you're pootling, or giving it large the engine runs efficiently and properly.  No need to throw heaps of fuel at it, unless the map demands it for throttle opening, load and engine speed etc.  Even then you want a stoichiometric, or slightly lean set of values for the site the engine's in at the time to make it perform optimally.

A well-mapped performance EFI motor should return good economy (although there is a balance involved obviously).  Just look at the figures for BMW M cars and compare specific output:MPG.

If it's forced induction that's where you would typically up and down the boost for a turbo-nutter map and an easy-on-the-boost map.  These maps would typically consume substantially different quantities of fuel, but the outputs at pretty much everything above idle would be quite different, too

Aftermarket ecu's don't have this facility unless you spend thousands. So much for a simple concept eh?

Why do you think we're using Megasquirt here? No offence meant, but you need to read up more on mapping and ECUs if you're going to engage on the subject.  Even keeping up with PPC and Dave Walker's column each month will help you a lot if you want to understand this sort of stuff.

It IS a simple concept - it's just two maps.  Provided the ECU has sufficient data holding capacity, it's simply a software switch. Building the map is the complex bit.

1 for a road map, mapped on the road, 2 for a wot map, mapped on the rollers  :cool:

You'd never map on the road unless you have no other option (or you're tight - hi!).  You can't effectively hold the car in the map sites as you can on the rollers.  You also won't be able to detect the last 10-15% difference in power per map site on the road, which the rollers will pull out.

Wide Open Throttle is simply a number of sites in the map, depending on engine conditions - it's part of the same map as the 'road' map.

Not pompous, just a bit more informed and trying to help you understand what we're doing here and why and how.  :sad:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 18 March 2010, 13:37
AS DH said for what were doing atm there is no point in haveing multi maps,  sopose if your tight you choudl do one for 97 ron on the track and one for 95 on the road but when you think about it both maps would be very simalar, the track car will proably get slightly richer AFR's for flat out, keeps things a bit cooler. the spark is where you find the power. 

so even tho running 97 ron on the track map,  your proably going to be keeping a good margin of safety in the spark,  as on the track everythgin is going to be working harder and the engine, is going to be hotter ( epectaly the exhaust valve and tip of the plug )  the plug issue can be got round by fitting cooler plugs but doing anythign about the exhaust valve is a PITA, thankfully for me the 16v dosen't really suffer from any problems there, we'll see how the 8v gets on.  when boost is involved i can see why people have multi maps.

really a dyno is needed to fine the point where more ignition advance becomes pointless,   as once it stops makeing more torque at that specific load site there is no point adding more advance,  my engine was making more and more torque right to the point it started pinking at some load sites so there i just backed off the advance about 3 degrees from when i picked up the pinking.  and it seemed to work well at that.   

i think i have found a spark map for the enigne,  ( as the one road in and out of foy is blocked atm i'm stuck at home ) so i've been trundeling through stuff on the laptop and found a crossflow 8v spark map. i'm thinking that;ll do for a base

Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Organisys on 18 March 2010, 20:17
AS DH said for what were doing atm there is no point in haveing multi maps,  sopose if your tight you choudl do one for 97 ron on the track and one for 95 on the road...

You'd need pretty decent knock sensing for this though, like the modern BMW systems... from my experience the knock sensors on both my Mk2s were/are, shall we say basic... although I suppose it could be the slow stock ecu to blame...  :grin: I ended up using a dyno and tickled the dizzy forward then back a little till I had no pinking on my G60.



Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 18 March 2010, 23:12
it's going to get knock senseing,  the PCB's for the basic knock modules has just arrived so it may be a littel while before it's up running and trusted.
my PIC based desing has quite a lot of potential and is very good at removeing engine noise as it's programmed to only listen for knock at set intervals in the cycle ( yup it has input from cranck sensor ) and it's meant recognise and ignore some signals at exact points. so it should be abel to pick up very very light knock  :smiley:  problem is it's not quite optimised yet and there are no £'s atm to throw at developing somethign that i'll make about 5 off. 

idealy i want to get a working ION sensing board up and running  :cool:  no need for dyno then
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Jay on 19 March 2010, 07:50
You what?  :huh: :shocked:  :huh:




At least someone knows wtf they're doing here  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Jimp on 19 March 2010, 09:46
Danny/DH, how hard was it to map the car using Megasquirt? I'm working on a side project at the moment that will use Megasquirt for mapping for the supercharger and thought I'd have a go at mapping it myself since I work with sensors, calibration, control systems, etc anyway. Any info at all would be great  :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 19 March 2010, 11:39
If you've got skilz with electrical dragons and a reasonable understanding of what you're aiming for then it shouldn't be too hard.

BUT

You need to read up plenty and understand what you're trying to achieve with the parameters you're setting.  Danny, for instance actually has an OBD wired into the palm of one of his hands, concealed by a flap of skin and if he holds a sparkplug lead his eyes stobe the same as a timing gun among other apparently quite natural mutations.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Jay on 19 March 2010, 13:05
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Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Jimp on 20 March 2010, 14:15
If you've got skilz with electrical dragons and a reasonable understanding of what you're aiming for then it shouldn't be too hard.

BUT

You need to read up plenty and understand what you're trying to achieve with the parameters you're setting.  Danny, for instance actually has an OBD wired into the palm of one of his hands, concealed by a flap of skin and if he holds a sparkplug lead his eyes stobe the same as a timing gun among other apparently quite natural mutations.
Electrical issues I'm grand with. I took a look at the program for setting up Megasquirt and all the paramters and so on are things I'm familiar with which was a relief  :wink: Just need to figure out how it all comes together! Did you guys map it from scratch or did you load values from the existing ECU and tweak it from there?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 20 March 2010, 17:53
not mapped it properly yet

fuel is easy,  just need a wideband and an idea of what you want, spark is harder
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 27 March 2010, 09:12
Lighting and power installed in lower barn (which has a non-leaking roof).  Cracking on with the MS today and tomorrow.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 27 March 2010, 23:20
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Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Stu.750 on 27 March 2010, 23:35
Heaven

 Spent the afternoon at oulton park , first meeting of the season , sun was out , sky was blue , mix the smell of cheshire countryside with exhaust fumes , and hot tyres and im not sure there is a better place on earth to be

some people often dont understand what makes the petrol head tick , moments like that picture , how i was this afternoon go some way to tryin to explain it to mear mortals
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Horney on 28 March 2010, 21:01
Heaven

 Spent the afternoon at oulton park , first meeting of the season , sun was out , sky was blue , mix the smell of cheshire countryside with exhaust fumes , and hot tyres and im not sure there is a better place on earth to be

some people often dont understand what makes the petrol head tick , moments like that picture , how i was this afternoon go some way to tryin to explain it to mear mortals

+1

Been down Brands today for the Opening rounds of the GTI champ. A brilliant day!

Got it running yet DH?

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Stu.750 on 28 March 2010, 21:12
Good days racing ? what else was on ?


 Had the CNC heads saloon championship out - Rx7 , bike power caterham , Ex DTM A4 spitting flames , E30 M3 ex BTCC , Z cars Space frame Mini , and Suzuki Capuchinno with a busa engine in , all in the same race 
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Horney on 28 March 2010, 22:06
That sounds like an awesome race. We had the Production BMW Cup, Dunlop Saloons and a few others. Thread of pics going up int he photography section shortly!

nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Stu.750 on 28 March 2010, 22:30
Sounds like a top day out nick

 Racing was great on saturday , CNC heads , some classic FF2000 , then some Mygales and the like

The only upside to living where i do is its 25 mins from Oulton
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Khare on 28 March 2010, 22:40
good that there is plenty of light and space in that barn now then, and its conveniently next to the tools container, unlike the upper barn!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 March 2010, 00:11
F*cking thread invaders!

It's run, it's been driven, it's much keener than it was on Digi2.

Still got a long way to go before April 19th.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Stu.750 on 29 March 2010, 00:18
 :tongue: your own fault for posting , for me , a very emotive picture

 i sound gay, im off for a drive , re align my manly ness
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 March 2010, 14:15
I'll be back with some photos in due course, but to get it up together and running we've done the following:

Fabricate battery mount and bolt to rear seat base
Re-route car power (note to Danny and self, I think we can lose that wire to the dash from the battery - there's a spare in the lighting loom I'd forgotten about - DOH!)
Remove and refit dashboard, stalks and wheel etc to faciliate access to loom etc
Remove brake servo, fit new lighting loom as the old one was a bit crisy in places
Refit engine loom (for dash, fans, wipers etc) but re-routed through heater box and out passenger-side of car, to avoid the annoying brake-servo issues for that loom
Refit brake servo and re-bleed brakes (new brake fluid - YAY!)
Refit dashboard
Fabricate new throttle cable stop on intake manifold (ABF body is different to the 2E throttlebody)
Find an appropriate intake hose, due to above
Set up pipework and catch-tank (ok, it's a plastic bottle) for the engine breather, due to above

Still to do:

Source ABF airbox
Resolve MS-Wideband box interface problem - MS only sees down to stochiometric - no bloody good
Get it mapped up
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 29 March 2010, 20:51
ms is about to under go bench testing in 5-4-3-2
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Jay on 29 March 2010, 21:21
Will be good to see what you can get from the 8v donkey before ze ring, and if you'll achieve the powaz you told me about with the 'other bits' danny gave you after your fun at ze ring :wink:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 29 March 2010, 23:11
yay.   ms now fully behaveing and reading full range of AFR's
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Horney on 29 March 2010, 23:17
Good stuff!

nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 05 April 2010, 22:52
(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMG_1316.jpg)

Trunking up wiring.

I f*cking hate trunking up wiring.

Note budget catch-tank.  Not only is this car maintained to within an inch of its life we absolutely spare no budget for it, too.

Now, has anyone got an ABF airbox  Otherwise, later this month my other half's going to be driving around with a stocking over the air intake of the Corrado for four days.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Paul86S2 on 07 April 2010, 11:17
I've got an abf airbox you can gave. The internals have been taken out, but I can put them back in if you want.
The snorkel and the intake elbow are also off of it but again I can put them back on.
Only one clip on the airbox lid but it seals ok.
Yours for the cost of postage.
Paul
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 09 April 2010, 22:15
Woo - airbox here!

Car out front of the house on the trailer, ready for some mapping action tomorrow.  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Horney on 09 April 2010, 22:19
Nice work that man!

BTW how's the Rado going with the ABF? You ironed out all the little niggles?

nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Paul86S2 on 09 April 2010, 23:46
Woo - airbox here!

Car out front of the house on the trailer, ready for some mapping action tomorrow.  :cool:
Where are you getting it mapped - is this the 4wd rolling road.

Paul
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 09 April 2010, 23:51
Yes.

Fuel on feedback from wideband.

Spark on det can.

Gonna be there for a while  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Paul86S2 on 10 April 2010, 00:16
Have you not got a proper knock detection with the MS?

Did you make your det cans yourself?

Good luck, i hope you get it sorted.

Paul
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 April 2010, 20:25
You know all that stuff I say about knock circuits?

It's fully justified and I feel a proper c*nt now.

So, can we get an ABF under the bonnet of my shed tomorrow?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Horney on 10 April 2010, 20:54
Oh crap mate, did it go bang?

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: JC on 10 April 2010, 20:57
or is the Rado off to the ring  :shocked:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 10 April 2010, 21:16
it din't go bang but it's poorly.  but DH found a donor for a 16v so tomorrow were going to be on one hell of a mission
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 April 2010, 21:20
Three years and quite some number of track days later and we screwed up.

No matter.

Cheapest and fastest solution is standard ABF into it, so as the man says - mission on tomorrow.  Engine's already nearly out.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: T_J_G on 10 April 2010, 21:28
Good Work :afro:

man with a plan!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Horney on 10 April 2010, 21:29
Good luck with it chaps.

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Paul86S2 on 10 April 2010, 21:37
Sorry to hear this.

Good luck with the abf conversion, you know thats what you wanted all along.

Paul
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 11 April 2010, 07:09
You knows it, Paul - was just hoping to have a bit more time and budget to do it!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Jay on 11 April 2010, 10:31
Bugger  :sad:


Good luck for today :afro:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 11 April 2010, 23:27
am now feeling very very very knackerd
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Diamond Hell on 11 April 2010, 23:55
Epic day.

Lots done, got some pics, but no time to put them up.

More later in the week.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: Hurdy on 12 April 2010, 00:24
Sounds like some serious work going on down in the bowels of the DH garage.

Fingers crossed all goes to plan for you from now on :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 12 April 2010, 12:36
is this what they call a blessing in disguise?

so what happened tuning the 8v then?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro 2.0i 8V crossflow running on Megasquirt
Post by: danny_p on 13 April 2010, 03:14
it was allways planned for it to go 16v, just not at this exact moment.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 13 April 2010, 10:16
so what happened tuning the 8v then?

Got hot, some mis-firing and then no compression on 2 and 3 and no electrodes left on those plugs.  Pre-ignition or detonation.  Not lifted the head yet so don't have full diagnosis.  Anyone want to buy a 268 8V cam?  Head's probably OK, so anyone want to buy a breathed-on crossflow 8V head?  Anyone need a Rallye exhaust manifold?  210mm (or 215mm - can't remember) 6kg lightened flywheel and clutch?

ABF now in, with homebrew tubular manifold and a fabrication job on the transfer box bracket.  Danny's wiring skills have been tested and delivered top class. Went out for a quick test last night.  Runs sweet, but the clutch on the engine is shot away.  That was at 22:30.

Got the front off the car, everything disconnected before I went home at 23:30.  Just needs a quick lift out and clutch change on Thursday evening.

Time and money are running short.  Levels of epic are running dangerously high.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Khare on 13 April 2010, 10:32
Bummer to hear about the 8v  :cry: Could be head gasket and new plugs all it needs maybe, but then again it could be bigger. As you and Danny said though, your car was always made with an ABF in mind anyway. Did you use Russ' ABF?

Just needs a quick lift out and clutch change on Thursday evening.

Typical you DH  :grin:

Just a quick lift out, as if it was an almost relaxing task  :grin:

Classic example was when we did my CV boots, test drove it and there was a griding noise from the o/s/f brake. So I pulled into the barn and within a minute the car was up in the air, the wheel was off and the caliper and pads were out  :grin: Turned out to be the dust shield.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 13 April 2010, 11:16
Meh - it's just a consumable.

Yes, we're using Russ's ABF.

Last seen doing this: http://www.youtube.com/user/DiamondHell#p/u/1/6lgnxcaJgOc

Guess we'll find out whether all that red-line action has caused any damage!

I have video footage of the shell being lifted off. :grin:

Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Khare on 13 April 2010, 11:18
that was one lightweight mk3  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 April 2010, 23:09
This is Danny reading a Golf3 its last rites:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0039L.jpg)

8V: sick

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0040L.jpg)

The 16V must have the Golf3-ness cleaned off it:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0047L.jpg)

ABF blocks have this pesky rib down the bottom of the block.  This means we need to butcher the ultra-rare Rallye transfer box mount like this:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0048L.jpg)

This is then re-worked to feature a new securing lug on the underside of the rib.  Pics later as I don't have any now.

No one makes a 16V tubular manifold to suit a Syncro, so we're going to make one with loo-roll tubes and cardboard.  This is the flange being cut.  Flange.

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0049L.jpg)

I have been saving VW downpipes for about two years, in readiness for this occasion.  I still have spare.  Here are some that aren't spare any more:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0051L.jpg)

9" FTW when cutting pipe - straight through, no messing.

Fits where it touches:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0053L.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 April 2010, 23:10
Will it blend:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0054L.jpg)

This needs to meet that.  How hard can it be?

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0055L.jpg)

Not that hard, as it turns out:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0056L.jpg)

M'mmmmmmm, homebrew:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0058L.jpg)

The flats across the manifold are to stop the flange (heh, flange) curling up on itself, thus stopping it from sealing.

Snuggly in there:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0060L.jpg)

The engine that should have been there all along:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0061L.jpg)

No airbox is available, hence the cone-age.

As we're keen we did a little further mod:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0063L.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 14 April 2010, 23:16
Strong work guys, loving the home brew flange.

nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Mew on 14 April 2010, 23:18
Good sh!t :afro:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Jay on 14 April 2010, 23:21
Well done, both of you :afro:

only 2 days left before the road trip...  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Khare on 14 April 2010, 23:36
bloody hell! Awesome work! nice home made manifold too. Looks like having 10 of every part came handy then :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Wayne on 15 April 2010, 00:08
Excellent work :afro:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Hurdy on 15 April 2010, 23:59
Now that is what I call true British grit right there  :cool:

See you on Sunday/Monday :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Chris-White on 16 April 2010, 00:02
is it back on standard management or is it a megasquirted valver?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Mew on 16 April 2010, 00:14
Seems standard at this point:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0061L.jpg)

Even more restecp if he's managed to get megasquirt installed and mapped, as well as a clutch change!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Chris-White on 16 April 2010, 00:15
^^^

i fully didnt see the standard ecu floating about there
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 16 April 2010, 08:04
OEM ABF Management has 2 knock sensors and is a proper cute little thing.

Can't knock that up in a couple of days!

Pulled the engine and gearbox last night.  Put new clutch in, test drove it.

Still did the same.  flywheels can wear out too, kids.

Already back out, on the floor and split ready to have my lightened flywheel and clutch on.

Why didn't we use them?  Well it's only a 210mm (or something) unit, not a 228mm one, so there was some concern about its ability to put up with the output an ABF will pump into it, but it's pretty fresh so it should be OK, plus there's the fact it's only 6kg vs 9-10kg for the standard unit.

We'll get there.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 16 April 2010, 09:18
jeez i didn't realise just how heavy 02a flywheels were  :shocked: 020 one comes in at 5.5kg as standard

you gotta love a tight deadline though   :cool:

Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 April 2010, 07:35
Oh f*ck that's a bit quick.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 17 April 2010, 07:41
glad you are sorted TC  - have a great trip :afro:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Jay on 17 April 2010, 11:46
Oh f*ck that's a bit quick.


I guess that's a sign that it's all working as expected  :grin:


Now let's see what times you get  :lipsrsealed:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 17 April 2010, 11:47
Just seen it on it's trailer on the way to the green hell.

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Khare on 17 April 2010, 11:51
Have a good trip mate!!!! See ya in a few weeks!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 April 2010, 13:56
Now on P&O.  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 20 April 2010, 20:41
On the last ferry home, after a truly epic time out there.

My Golf did about 20 laps.  I think I did 6, with the others shared between the other three guys who were driving.

It wasn't faultless - the starter exciter lead came off on two occasions and the bonnet release cable pulled out.

These are failures I think I can live with  :grin:.

You wait until you see the video footage - what's going up on Youtube as soon as I have tidied it and I'm on a non-mobile connection is just great. 

HUGE thanks to Hurdy for being so patient.  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 20 April 2010, 20:42
Glad it was a success mate, look forward to the vids.

nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 20 April 2010, 20:43
 :cool: sounds like a good time was had :afro:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Jay on 20 April 2010, 20:46
*waiting in anticipation*
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 20 April 2010, 20:48
Chuff, the scale of what you missed (including the opportunity to sit and chat over several evenings to two people who hold current BIKE lap records on the Nordschleife) is barely possible to contemplate.

Wait for it, Jay!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 20 April 2010, 20:50
yep, oh well ho hum, with current goings on at work it was actually the correct  decision not to go - Long term wise  :wink:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 April 2010, 07:29
Anyone fancy a lap? (http://www.vimeo.com/11090862)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Jay on 21 April 2010, 08:00
oh yeah!  :cool: Pity Hurdy kept speeding off in places and leaving you a small spec in the distance...
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 April 2010, 08:14
He was a very nice, very patient man.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Wayne on 21 April 2010, 08:45
Awesome vid :afro:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Rhyso on 21 April 2010, 09:34
Awesome vid :afro:

+1  :cool: :cool: :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 April 2010, 20:09
Just reviewed my single solo lap.

08:51 Bridge to Gantry.

First lap I've checked the time for.  Chuffed with that.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 21 April 2010, 20:26
That's awesome mate. I think Alex did an 8:50 something in mine a few years back. What did Hurdy get?

nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 April 2010, 20:38
07:56 on the lap I have

Proper large.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 21 April 2010, 20:39
A quick look on wikipedia reveals that matchs a Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1. Feck!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Khare on 21 April 2010, 20:51
bloody hell nice!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Chris-White on 21 April 2010, 20:51
Just reviewed my single solo lap.

08:51 Bridge to Gantry.

First lap I've checked the time for.  Chuffed with that.

thats about 50 seconds quicker than me in an s2.

i fail hard at driving  :grin:

Epic video btw.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Jay on 21 April 2010, 20:55
07:56 on the lap I have

Proper large.

Holy crap! I bet he shut up a few regular NL'ers :grin:

Did he let you take his car round?  :evil:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Martz on 21 April 2010, 21:19
Looks fun, what kinda costs does it involve to get tracking? I reckon I could join the fun if it's not to outrageous.

Excellent timings btw.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 April 2010, 22:33
Looks fun, what kinda costs does it involve to get tracking? I reckon I could join the fun if it's not to outrageous.

The price of a track car and then endless maintenance.

It's like, a lot.

Or not very much if you're prepared to pikey it a bit  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 21 April 2010, 22:50
My car owes me £1500 at this point and will be over £2K once it's caged in the Autumn (this is includes mods and wear and tear replacements). Trackdays aren't expensive (approx £150) but when you factor in fuel, tyres, brakes and other consumables it creeps up. I put in £80 worth of fuel when I did silverstone and fuel prices were a fair bit less in sept last year.

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Matty-MK3 on 21 April 2010, 22:54
Trackdays, a Golf lowered on a sub-£500 suspension and some polybushes, alloys and track tyres would fail quite a bit wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 21 April 2010, 22:56
Shouldn't do, mines got sub £500 suspension, poly bushes, alloys and track tyres and it's been doing trackdays for many years before I bought it.

DH's has had a lot of fab work but that's mostly getting engines to fit well. It's still much closer to a road car than a proper race car and it as proved in the last few days can handle whatever he throws at it.

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 April 2010, 09:01
The tipping point is when you get the welder out and stitch a cage into it.  Once you've done that it's only ever going to be a track car as you need to put on a helmet whenever you get into it - it was only when I took the dash out a couple of weeks ago that I finally removed the radio!

Provided everything's in good mechanical order and it's not leaking you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 22 April 2010, 09:13
you must have sat in some badly caged cars if you could hit your head on the cage, theres no problem with a well fitted cage

it becomes a track car when you need ear plugs to drive it and pebbles make the wheels leave the ground  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Hurdy on 22 April 2010, 09:56
Awesome work DH :cool:

I was really impressed with everything you'd managed to do to get the car there and performing and also the driving on the day. You sure aren't afraid to chuck it into a corner :smiley:

The race and chase cam session we did was superb, but it was the hardest I've ever had to concentrate on track  :shocked:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 April 2010, 12:27
I think an integral part of that video was passengering with one another before so we had a reasonable level of confidence about going out and staying what was bloody close to each other for the lap. 

The initial results speak for themselves, although I think I'm probably going to play with the footage a bit to make it more interesting and get it under 10 minutes for Youtube exposure.

you must have sat in some badly caged cars if you could hit your head on the cage, theres no problem with a well fitted cage

it becomes a track car when you need ear plugs to drive it and pebbles make the wheels leave the ground

Errr, I think the MSA have a different view to you and why else would most bodies demand roll-cage padding (not pipe lagging) around the driver?

If pebbles make the wheels leave the ground then I think you're rather more likely to end up in the armco and your suspension is rather too hard, but hey - what do I know, eh?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 22 April 2010, 13:17
there is no 'view' to be had. either your head can touch the cage when harnessed in or it can't. i'm saying if it can then your roll cage design is sh!t

pebble comment was exaggerated for comical effect, i should have said 'a car with considerably harder springs than a road car, thus making the car bounce on anything other than a smooth surface'. better?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 April 2010, 09:03
Emptied all the tat out of the Golf yesterday.  R888s aren't done yet, which is great.  I swapped them front-to-back after Brands as one of the fronts was looking very tired.

Another reason to play on the 'ring - less tyre wear  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 April 2010, 11:48
Picture Whorage:

Just before the Karoussell

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Steilstrecke.jpg)

In the Karoussell

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Karoussell.jpg)

Taking what can only be described as diabolical liberties with the curbs at Wipperman

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Wipperman.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 25 April 2010, 12:37
That last pic is epic!

nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Hurdy on 25 April 2010, 13:56
LOL,

I noticed that when we were doing the lap, didn't upset the car too much either :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Khare on 25 April 2010, 14:05
awesome pics Thomas  :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 April 2010, 14:26
I noticed that when we were doing the lap, didn't upset the car too much either :cool:

it's the 'normal' line through there for me  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 April 2010, 22:31
Quick clip of the engine removal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZCOfo8KKJk

Unfortunately some git had wired the exhaust up in to the transmission tunnel, so things didn't go quite as planned.

But you should get the gist.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Jay on 25 April 2010, 22:36
F@cking hilarious!  :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Paul86S2 on 27 April 2010, 15:29
Epic amount of work getting it sorted in time for the ring, I'm impressed.

Looks like it was all worthwhile and you had a good time out there. Shame you had to butcher the better car to get yours back on the road  :grin: :grin:

I missed going to Pembrey because we were stuck in Tenerife - its a hard life but I'll survive.  :wink:

Paul
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 16 December 2010, 22:38
Back from the depths.....

But only because I've just bought myself some pics from Frozenspeed from the DN event in April.

Karusell.  Me driving:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/DNA_2019.jpg.jpg)

Probably Adenaur Forst, my mate John driving:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/DNA_2214.jpg.jpg)

Pflanzgarten, not sure who's driving:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/DNA_2412.jpg.jpg)

Not sure.  DannyP driving:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/DNB_0997.jpg.jpg)

Wehrseifen (one of my favourite bends), no idea who's driving:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/DNB_0079.jpg.jpg)

 :cool:

Mulling over what's on the (budget-constrained) calendar for 2011.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 16 December 2010, 22:53
Some stiffer anti roll bars!

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 December 2010, 10:27
Some stiffer anti roll bars!

Nah, it actually needs stiffer springs and tighter damping.  The ARBs are fine and give it the neutral balance it has at the moment.

With regards to the lean, don't forget it's running -2.5 deg front AND back, on R888s, so it has quite some purchase in those corners.

Steph, who's driven a lot of tracked Golfs and has a track Syncro of his own reckoned it was nicely set up, which is good enough for me.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 17 December 2010, 11:01
Fair enough, just looks a bit scary :grin:

nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 17 December 2010, 11:13
Looks great!  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 December 2010, 11:21
Fair enough, just looks a bit scary

Goes well enough though and sticks like sh*t to a blanket.  :grin:

Looks great!

That's a step too far.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 17 December 2010, 11:32

Looks great!

That's a step too far.

Maybe but looks cracking in these shots IMO

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/DNA_2019.jpg.jpg)

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/DNB_0079.jpg.jpg)

A little rough around the edges but determined!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: frenno on 21 March 2011, 09:50
(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/DNB_0079.jpg.jpg)

Running pretty low!!! wouldn't it have far more mechanical grip if it was running with the control arms level.   :smug:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 21 March 2011, 10:24
(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/DNB_0079.jpg.jpg)

Running pretty low!!! wouldn't it have far more mechanical grip if it was running with the control arms level.   :smug:


 :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 21 March 2011, 10:28
:grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 March 2011, 18:37
Running pretty low!!! wouldn't it have far more mechanical grip if it was running with the control arms level.

You're a moron then, going by your comment.  That picture is coming into Wehrseifen, which is the tightest bend on the Norschleife and the car leaning particularly hard on the side of the photo.  Of course it appears low.

I can only presume you have approximately no track experience from the shyte you're spouting.  Have another go when you've grown up, or grown a pair, nipper.

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: tech1889 on 21 March 2011, 21:39
was gona say you set it up lop sided  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Sam on 21 March 2011, 22:24
Running pretty low!!! wouldn't it have far more mechanical grip if it was running with the control arms level.

You're a moron then, going by your comment.  That picture is coming into Wehrseifen, which is the tightest bend on the Norschleife and the car leaning particularly hard on the side of the photo.  Of course it appears low.

I can only presume you have approximately no track experience from the shyte you're spouting.  Have another go when you've grown up, or grown a pair, nipper.

 :rolleyes:

I cant beleive you actually wrote a response to this DH, you having an off week?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Jimp on 21 March 2011, 23:51
(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/display/DNB_0079.jpg.jpg)

Running pretty low!!! wouldn't it have far more mechanical grip if it was running with the control arms level.   :smug:
Owned  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 22 March 2011, 00:19
:grin:

Erm, I don't know what you're smiling at, the first picture in your sig clearly shows your car has been lowered way too much on the nearside!......  :smug:
 


:grin:





 
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 22 March 2011, 01:02
And here's me thinking he had two punctures.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 22 March 2011, 04:33
:grin:

Erm, I don't know what you're smiling at, the first picture in your sig clearly shows your car has been lowered way too much on the nearside!......  :smug:
 


:grin:





 

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: frenno on 22 March 2011, 14:02
Running pretty low!!! wouldn't it have far more mechanical grip if it was running with the control arms level.

You're a moron then, going by your comment.  That picture is coming into Wehrseifen, which is the tightest bend on the Norschleife and the car leaning particularly hard on the side of the photo.  Of course it appears low.

I can only presume you have approximately no track experience from the shyte you're spouting.  Have another go when you've grown up, or grown a pair, nipper.

 :rolleyes:

Exactly my point  :wink:........You commented on the ride height of my car before its left the garage, so who's the moron? considering you have so much experience don't you feel a bit :embarassed:

 
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 March 2011, 17:32
Let's make this simple.  I'll draw you a picture, shall I:

(http://media.photobucket.com/image/missing%20the%20point/Mpix1/missingthepoint.png)

When at rest: on my car, the control arms are level.

Given your stationary ride height your control arms will be pointing upwards.

Now, here's the thing.

When cornering: one arm will move up, the other will move down.

In the photo the car is reacting to the forced placed on it during the cornering maneuver, the inside control arm has dropped, the outside one has risen.

It is this confusing effect of the car being in motion which you seem to be struggling with.

Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: frenno on 22 March 2011, 18:28
Let's make this simple.  I'll draw you a picture, shall I:

(http://media.photobucket.com/image/missing%20the%20point/Mpix1/missingthepoint.png)
When at rest: on my car, the control arms are level.
Given your stationary ride height your control arms will be pointing upwards.
Now, here's the thing.
When cornering: one arm will move up, the other will move down.
In the photo the car is reacting to the forced placed on it during the cornering maneuver, the inside control arm has dropped, the outside one has risen.
It is this confusing effect of the car being in motion which you seem to be struggling with.
I'm not talking down to you, I'm patronising you now, just so as we're clear.  :rolleyes:

  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You are a clever boy!  thanks for the little lesson, but I think you missed the point -

Please read the next section s-l-o-w-l-y

MY point was - your comment on my ride hide is stupid because You have NO IDEA where my track arms will be when the car its finished, because........it hasn't been finished or set up yet... the comment on your car cornering at speed was ironic hence the wink you obviously missed  :kiss:



Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Mr Blue on 22 March 2011, 19:57
Great pics! :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: stow1985 on 23 March 2011, 23:14
24 pages down, 20 to go,

great read so far, better than any vw peformance mag

nice one  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: stow1985 on 24 March 2011, 21:47
44 pages down  :grin:

Fantastic project, got me really interested in aftermarket management now, il have to find some websites to have a read  :nerd:

shame the 8v didnt hold out i was really interested in how that was going to turn out. :undecided:

pics look sweets as  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 12 July 2011, 12:26
Put a working battery in it.

Got it out.

Warmed it up.

Changed the oil and filter.

Washed the windscreen.

Checked the other fluids, noted that the water needs topping up, as does the power-steering fluid.

Put it back.

 :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 12 July 2011, 12:47
Put a working battery in it.

Got it out.

Warmed it up.

Changed the oil and filter.

Washed the windscreen.

Checked the other fluids, noted that the water needs topping up, as does the power-steering fluid.

Put it back.

 :grin:

Wow, productive.... we want a full photographic documentary on all the above!  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 12 July 2011, 13:11
Wow, productive.... we want a full photographic documentary on all the above!  :grin:

Talk to Chuff.  I think he was giggling and taking photos as I washed the windscreen with my scraggy old sponge.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 12 July 2011, 13:32
Wow, productive.... we want a full photographic documentary on all the above!  :grin:

Talk to Chuff.  I think he was giggling and taking photos as I washed the windscreen with my scraggy old sponge.

Sounds to me like you should be starting a thread in the detailing section, too.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 12 July 2011, 16:25
to be fair this was after a very long day, at the end of a busy weekend.

But the old girl fired up ok once a new battery was sourced, but it is FILTHY  :sick:

sponge piccie coming up later .

roll on satdee  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 July 2011, 08:08
Did some tidying and checking over on it last night.  Found a couple of bolts missing.  Nothing particularly concerning, but enough for me to check things over pretty thoroughly.

Got the discs cleaned up, too.  Put the R888s on and pulled the T1-Rs out in case it really is wet on Saturday.

I might even wash it tonight, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 15 July 2011, 10:23
Did some tidying and checking over on it last night.  Found a couple of bolts missing.  Nothing particularly concerning, but enough for me to check things over pretty thoroughly.

Got the discs cleaned up, too.  Put the R888s on and pulled the T1-Rs out in case it really is wet on Saturday.

I might even wash it tonight, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Expect a thread on this in the detailing board.  get that clay bar and lube out boy!   :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 15 July 2011, 11:52
Did some tidying and checking over on it last night.  Found a couple of bolts missing.  Nothing particularly concerning, but enough for me to check things over pretty thoroughly.

Got the discs cleaned up, too.  Put the R888s on and pulled the T1-Rs out in case it really is wet on Saturday.

I might even wash it tonight, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Expect a thread on this in the detailing board.  get that clay bar and lube out boy!   :grin:

now wheres that picture, . . . . . .
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 15 July 2011, 11:55
a spot of sponge action going on  :grin: :laugh:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/25dbf477.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 15 July 2011, 13:02
^^^ Wow.   :shocked: After all the digging at Kells and deep down Thomas is actually into cleaning his car!  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Sam on 15 July 2011, 18:04
Like polishing a turd
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: DubFan on 16 July 2011, 12:15
That is genuinely dirty though, you can see where DH has wiped the dirt of the windscreen off the top.
None of this "oh I haven't washed my car in a week and I drove through a puddle today so I must spend 4hrs washing and waxing it" for DH.
Clean the windows so you can see for driving, but that's it.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 16 July 2011, 12:53
That is genuinely dirty though, you can see where DH has wiped the dirt of the windscreen off the top.
None of this "oh I haven't washed my car in a week and I drove through a puddle today so I must spend 4hrs washing and waxing it" for DH.
Clean the windows so you can see for driving, but that's it.

Nothing wrong with cleaning a car properly now and again, makes it go faster!  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 16 July 2011, 22:49
Nothing wrong with cleaning a car properly now and again, makes it go faster!

Bloody doesn't.

What a day - the Golf performed with aplomb, as ever.

It just goes.  :cool:

The morning was normal-for-Combe, bucketing it down and disgusting, so I got four sessions in during the morning.  On my own, then with the Ballast, then Rhyso as shotgun, then with someone whose name escapes me (sorry, I'm old), then with DannyP and finally with Mrs Hell.

Not sure what was happening during the morning, but I kept seeing a lot of the side of other people's cars on track.  Some of them looked quite confused.  :huh:

Just processing the footage of those spinning in front of me.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Adam on 17 July 2011, 02:00
Bloody doesn't.

What a day - the Golf performed with aplomb, as ever.

It just goes.  :cool:

The morning was normal-for-Combe, bucketing it down and disgusting, so I got four sessions in during the morning.  On my own, then with the Ballast, then Rhyso as shotgun, then with someone whose name escapes me (sorry, I'm old), then with DannyP and finally with Mrs Hell.

Not sure what was happening during the morning, but I kept seeing a lot of the side of other people's cars on track.  Some of them looked quite confused.  :huh:

Just processing the footage of those spinning in front of me.

That would have been me  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Rhyso on 17 July 2011, 10:14
Thank you very much for the passenger ride :afro:

Never under-estimate the power of shed engineering  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Steve_PD on 17 July 2011, 13:21
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6137/5946178522_b105a21774_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64210447@N02/5946178522/)
Mk2 DH (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64210447@N02/5946178522/) by SJWinser (http://www.flickr.com/people/64210447@N02/), on Flickr

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6013/5946174452_3bebeaf654_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64210447@N02/5946174452/)
Mk2 DH2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64210447@N02/5946174452/) by SJWinser (http://www.flickr.com/people/64210447@N02/), on Flickr

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6025/5946176332_856a62f96c_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64210447@N02/5946176332/)
Mk2 DH3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64210447@N02/5946176332/) by SJWinser (http://www.flickr.com/people/64210447@N02/), on Flickr

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6011/5945614793_d568f64dd0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64210447@N02/5945614793/)
A Confused Mk1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64210447@N02/5945614793/) by SJWinser (http://www.flickr.com/people/64210447@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Rhyso on 17 July 2011, 13:28
Love that last pic  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 17 July 2011, 18:13
aye, cracking picture steve,  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 18 July 2011, 11:20
Great pics... whats with the mk1!?  :grin:  Forgot his satnav?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 July 2011, 11:57
Great pics... whats with the mk1!?  :grin:  Forgot his satnav?  :laugh:

Not entirely sure.  Looked to have ditch-finder tyres on it and wanted to rotate as soon as it was out on track - span twice in front of me.

There were a couple of incompetents in Golf1s, I think both were loitering on the ClubGTI stand.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 18 July 2011, 12:15
Great pics... whats with the mk1!?  :grin:  Forgot his satnav?  :laugh:

Not entirely sure.  Looked to have ditch-finder tyres on it and wanted to rotate as soon as it was out on track - span twice in front of me.

There were a couple of incompetents in Golf1s, I think both were loitering on the ClubGTI stand.

Oh dear.... Well I remember some time ago you asked me in my thread what the intentions were for mine..  I simply wanted the car back on the road but hinted that I wanted to take it on the track......... eventually. I think if I don't it would be a waste. It's really not up to it at the moment but I'll tell you this now, I intend to rebuild the motor to it's former glory over the winter and maybe, just maybe i'll see if it's up for it next year!

Will probably go to an RR meet soon in it's current state to see how many horses have turned to dog food, then again when I've completed engine works.  Then I'll see if it's worth it.  :lipsrsealed:  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Neo Badness on 18 July 2011, 13:00
Nice to see it getting used, according to,  http://howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_syncro, only 52 synrco's left in the wild.  :cry:

So don't stuff it DH...  :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 July 2011, 13:03
If I stuffed it I'd go over to the continent and grab another shell.  Plenty about over there still, although they're going up in price now, which is a PITA.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 18 July 2011, 13:11
Get one now and store it in the workshop.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Jay on 18 July 2011, 13:49
Like the Vid on FB  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 July 2011, 14:46
Oh this one?

http://youtu.be/h7slmZVSMzM

Forgot not everyone looks in the events section.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 18 July 2011, 14:51
Oh this one?

http://youtu.be/h7slmZVSMzM

Forgot not everyone looks in the events section.  :grin:

We have an events section!  :shocked:  :grin:

Best get my sponsored egg and spoon race in there!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: tech1889 on 18 July 2011, 16:47
Oh this one?

http://youtu.be/h7slmZVSMzM

Forgot not everyone looks in the events section.  :grin:

That was a wicked video.. did you spin at all ??
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 July 2011, 17:03
That was a wicked video.. did you spin at all ??

Nah, didn't have time for that - too busy hanging on the shirt-tails of R32s and S3s  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Rhyso on 18 July 2011, 17:05
That was a wicked video.. did you spin at all ??

Nah, didn't have time for that - too busy hanging on the shirt-tails of R32s and S3s  :grin:

and 911's  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 July 2011, 17:11
I'll strip out a couple of wet/dry laps and put 'em up later.

It was a LOT quicker when it had dried up on the last couple of sessions, Rhys.  I was coming through Avon Rise at around 110mph.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Rhyso on 18 July 2011, 17:17
I'll strip out a couple of wet/dry laps and put 'em up later.

It was a LOT quicker when it had dried up on the last couple of sessions, Rhys.  I was coming through Avon Rise at around 110mph.

 :cool:  You were still hitting 100mph through there when you took me out  :shocked:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Neo Badness on 19 July 2011, 10:13
Looked like a fun day, enjoyed the background commentary on the video :grin:

Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 19 July 2011, 12:39
Looked like a fun day, enjoyed the background commentary on the video

Can't help myself.

Waiting on Youtube to process 12 minutes of the better laps at the moment.  Much more blithering will be included.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 19 July 2011, 12:49
Now up:

http://youtu.be/GUdKsoUn198
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 19 July 2011, 13:05
love the pass on the black mk5  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

REALLY loving you getting told by the boss you could go quicker  :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 19 July 2011, 13:18
REALLY loving you getting told by the boss you could go quicker

Yes, she really would like me on the ragged edge.  :grin:

I'd be concerned, but she's sitting in the passenger seat and the track goes clockwise!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Jay on 19 July 2011, 13:56
Awesome stuff, Good pass on the R32 :grin:

That white MK5 was f@cking quick  :shocked: Did he spin at all?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 19 July 2011, 13:58
That white MK5 was f@cking quick  :shocked: Did he spin at all?

Not that I'm aware of.  A Golf5 with a stripped interior and cage *should* damned quick!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 19 July 2011, 14:39
love the pass on the black mk5  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

REALLY loving you getting told by the boss you could go quicker  :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

 :grin: :grin: :grin:

Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Neo Badness on 22 July 2011, 23:09
"Where the f*ck are you going?, sort your lines out",

and

"Someone's being a girl in the corners".

Commentary Murray Walker would be proud of.

I'm with Mrs Hell, 3rd gear and you can go faster :grin:

Watching this makes me miss my ABF even more :cry:

My mk2 is "only" fwd and consistently goes light over the back wheels even when not lifting off in a fast bend.
 Reckon I have to do some tweaking to my setup, keeps you awake though...

Nice video  :cool:.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 July 2011, 09:18
Since I started driving on track I've toned the abuse down quite a lot, because calling most of the other people on the track c*nts just makes me wince when I watch it back, even if it is true.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Neo Badness on 24 July 2011, 00:18
Since I started driving on track I've toned the abuse down quite a lot, because calling most of the other people on the track c*nts just makes me wince when I watch it back, even if it is true.  :grin:

I know what you mean, but sometimes you can't help it.
 Some people need to be told they are tossers as they lack the wit, intelligence and self awareness to realise they are tossers of their own volition.
Plus it adds a little something to the video overall.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 April 2012, 19:21
Dropped a couple of flywheels off with JNL Racing on Monday.

They'll come back at 6.25kg in due course.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: stow1985 on 25 April 2012, 19:23
Dropped a couple of flywheels off with JNL Racing on Monday.

They'll come back at 6.25kg in due course.

a couple?

What did they weigh before?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 April 2012, 20:13
Yeah - one for the Golf and one for the Corrado.

Start out around 10kg.

Taking them to 6kg will make the car rev a lot snappier.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: stow1985 on 25 April 2012, 21:54
Yeah - one for the Golf and one for the Corrado.

Start out around 10kg.

Taking them to 6kg will make the car rev a lot snappier.

'Every little helps'
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Seanl on 25 April 2012, 22:02
Yeah - one for the Golf and one for the Corrado.

Start out around 10kg.

Taking them to 6kg will make the car rev a lot snappier.

'Every little helps'


10kg - 6kg = 40%. Thats a lottle imo! Great mod, but obviously you know that!  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 April 2012, 22:09
10kg - 6kg = 40%. Thats a lottle imo! Great mod, but obviously you know that!

Same as wot Danny's had IIRC.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: lemski on 26 April 2012, 17:03
Thats a gd wieght loss. How much does it cost for this these days
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 26 April 2012, 17:34
Tom, could have got mine off and got it balanced up there  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 27 April 2012, 10:25
Thats a gd wieght loss. How much does it cost for this these days

£50 turned down unbalanced 'it'll be ok' stylee, or £80 'I want it balanced because I WILL be visiting the red line a lot'.

I went for the latter option.

Tom, could have got mine off and got it balanced up there  :lipsrsealed:

Too slow, but I can take it up there when I collect in a month's time..... oh hang on, see previous comments about patience. 

Although as I've taken two up there, there may be a 'spare' about in due course.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 06 July 2012, 00:59
Did some work on the Golf tonight.  :shocked:

All of the sh!t off the rear seat base:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/20120705_231047.jpg)

Most of the sh*t off the floor under the passenger side:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/20120705_231107.jpg)

Sore left palm now.  :grin:

Nearly have a big bucket of this cr*p to weigh.  Will weigh it when I've done the other side as well.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 08 July 2012, 21:42
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/20120708_125344.jpg)

Anyone want a really tidy 5-door non-sunroof headlining?

Nasty tarry sh*te now pretty much all cleared out from the floorpan.

Couple of misshapen bits tapped back to where they should be.

Headlining all cleanly removed.

Adjustable seatbelt bits and seatbelt trim all removed..... although obviously this is temporary.

Today's 'hot' advice: don't lean on blowtorches you've just shut off and put down:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/559257_10151923556685354_938576004_n.jpg)

Ouch.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 08 July 2012, 21:49
Have you weighed the bucket yet?

Was that after I left?  :shocked:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 08 July 2012, 22:12
Nah, the bucket will be weighed when the brackets that have to be cut off have been removed and the remains of the sound deadening has been removed, too.

Then the seats will be weighed, too.

Then some weight will be put back in.  :cool:

Lightened, faced and balanced flywheel to be collected on 25th July.  Other stuff going on.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 03 August 2012, 16:07
I hate spot welds.

That is all.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: tweed on 03 August 2012, 18:33
I hate spot welds.

That is all.

drill them out.

then refill by putting flat copper behind the hole a puddle weld.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 03 August 2012, 20:19
I have a spot weld drill 'kit' from Machinemart.

On the passenger side I used the drill to take out the welds, but the VW spot welds are larger than the drill bit.  This resulted in a couple of small tears at the back of the runners.

On the driver's side I'm now using the mini-hole-saw supplied, to cut around the spot weld in the runners.  Hopefully this will free the runners and then I'll scurf off the remaining centres.

I would rather not have to fill lots of holes in the shell!

The big issue is just how many spot welds VW used on these cars!  I got most of the way down the driver's side inner runner and then realised there were STILL another seven welds to drill out.  :angry:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 03 August 2012, 20:20
sounds like fun  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: tweed on 03 August 2012, 21:46
I can see why you hate them now
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 03 August 2012, 22:02
This is why I just hacked em out with a grinder and then flap wheeled any ridges. I could have removed more of the metal but I got bored and left it. Worked out quite well as the remains of the runners on the sill and tunnel make a good platform for the cross bars for the buckets.

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 03 August 2012, 22:26
1. the driver's seat needs to be mounted as low as possible as it's going to have double-locking sliders under the side-mounts to allow a range of driver sizes, so the remains of the runners might not be in the right place for such a job.
2. the seat rails come with reinforcement plates which weld in around the rails and to the tunnel.  It's unlikely the reinforcement plates would sit flush on the tunnel if the remains of the runners are there.
3. I'm taking weight out.  Why would I leave surplus metal in, especially when it's that thick and heavy!
4. I don't get bored that easily.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 03 August 2012, 22:38
:grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 07 August 2012, 11:04
Got my scales back on Sunday.

20kg in sound deadening, bracketry and clutter out of the car.

Scirocco seats weight 19kg each and the side-mount shells that will replace them come in at 11kg each.

Ordered a few bits from Demon Thieves, too.  Should be here later in the week.

Lightened flywheel is on its way back, too.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 07 August 2012, 11:07
Got my scales back on Sunday.

20kg in sound deadening, bracketry and clutter out of the car.

Scirocco seats weight 19kg each and the side-mount shells that will replace them come in at 11kg each.

Ordered a few bits from Demon Thieves, too.  Should be here later in the week.

Lightened flywheel is on its way back, too.

All sounds good... so, enough weight loss to justify a vinyl wrap then?  :wink:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 07 August 2012, 12:38
All sounds good... so, enough weight loss to justify a vinyl wrap then?  :wink:

With the weight that's going to be added shortly it was time to make sure the unnecessary bulk had been stripped out.  :wink:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 07 August 2012, 12:46
All sounds good... so, enough weight loss to justify a vinyl wrap then?  :wink:

With the weight that's going to be added shortly it was time to make sure the unnecessary bulk had been stripped out.  :wink:

Fat co-driver?

I'm guessing engine... hmm, but what, would never be a VR, you wouldn't be that daft.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 07 August 2012, 13:35
1.8T mk2 Syncro sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 07 August 2012, 15:49
Nice man from Parcelfarce turned up with a big box of things that would disgust my wife while she was out.

WINNING.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 07 August 2012, 16:17
Nice man from Parcelfarce turned up with a big box of things that would disgust my wife while she was out.

WINNING.

I dread to ask.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 07 August 2012, 18:50
Nice man from Parcelfarce turned up with a big box of things that would disgust my wife while she was out.

WINNING.

I dread to ask.  :laugh:

 :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 07 August 2012, 20:28
I know, I know  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 07 August 2012, 22:28
Nice man from Parcelfarce turned up with a big box of things that would disgust my wife while she was out.

WINNING.

Major winning, I get everything sent to my workshop for the very same reason. Ha.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 07 August 2012, 22:54
Major winning, I get everything sent to my workshop for the very same reason. Ha.

The barn is at my parents place.

The repercussions could be just as bad.  :grin:

I *may* have ordered on Saturday, on the basis that it would probably come on Tuesday when I would be working at home.

This is what marriage is all about:

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/blackadder/quiz/images/testye.jpg)

 :smug:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 08 August 2012, 19:04
Everything gets delivered to my office... Mostly so I don't have to go to the post office to sign for stuff they couldn't get through the letterbox... Well that's what I tell the other half anyway!  :smug:

That image makes me want to dig out my Black Adder boxed set!  :cool:

Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: danny_p on 09 August 2012, 00:55
getting stuff deliverd to workshop is often full of win problem is sometimes it turns up at the billing address cos couriers are stupid,  so sometimes i'll go and pick stuff up myself and stash it rather than risk the fallout. 

as it happens think i'm a suspect atm  not sure what i've soposed to have done yet
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 August 2012, 01:16
getting stuff deliverd to workshop is often full of win problem is sometimes it turns up at the billing address cos couriers are stupid,  so sometimes i'll go and pick stuff up myself and stash it rather than risk the fallout. 

as it happens think i'm a suspect atm  not sure what i've soposed to have done yet


I wish I could concur but it is unsafe for me to do so.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Seanl on 09 August 2012, 07:59
getting stuff deliverd to workshop is often full of win problem is sometimes it turns up at the billing address cos couriers are stupid,  so sometimes i'll go and pick stuff up myself and stash it rather than risk the fallout. 

as it happens think i'm a suspect atm  not sure what i've soposed to have done yet


She's probably just pissed off cos you've been at the pub all night!  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: danny_p on 10 August 2012, 00:10
its the opposite this time,   apparently i've not been to the pub as much so i'm up to something. 
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 August 2012, 01:26
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/IMG_7642.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Neo Badness on 12 August 2012, 15:35
2ltr 16vT, the thinking mans 20vT?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 12 August 2012, 18:24
Now we're talking.  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 12 August 2012, 18:46
Got a T28 hybrid sat in my living room, danny also loves making manifolds right? :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 13 August 2012, 11:23
Apparently some more stuff is ready for collection....

Oh and there's a couple of lightened flywheels in the boot of my Golf3 at the moment.

Anyone want a rather special crossflow 8V head?  Now with titanium springs and retainers.  :huh:  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 13 August 2012, 22:59
What flavour are the flywheels?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 14 August 2012, 00:36
Apparently some more stuff is ready for collection....

Oh and there's a couple of lightened flywheels in the boot of my Golf3 at the moment.

Anyone want a rather special crossflow 8V head?  Now with titanium springs and retainers.  :huh:  :grin:

Would it fit on mine?  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 14 August 2012, 06:58
Apparently some more stuff is ready for collection....

Oh and there's a couple of lightened flywheels in the boot of my Golf3 at the moment.

Anyone want a rather special crossflow 8V head?  Now with titanium springs and retainers.  :huh:  :grin:

Would it fit on mine?  :grin:

dunno but i think mine has been mentioned  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 14 August 2012, 09:30
Apparently some more stuff is ready for collection....

Oh and there's a couple of lightened flywheels in the boot of my Golf3 at the moment.

Anyone want a rather special crossflow 8V head?  Now with titanium springs and retainers.  :huh:  :grin:

Would it fit on mine?  :grin:

dunno but i think mine has been mentioned  :laugh:

Mine needs it more.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 August 2012, 09:43
What flavour are the flywheels?

02A or 02C suited.

The head is crossflow 8V and has had the oil return welded up, so you could run it on your DX, I think.  It came off a 2E bottom end, which I still have lying about and is in good nick FWIW.

It'd be ideal for ITBs or bike carbs, if you're a wrong 'un.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 14 August 2012, 10:09
Free to a good home?  :kiss:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 August 2012, 13:18
Free to a good home?  :kiss:

Pay me for the work done on it recently and it's yours.

The various other bits you'll need to install it neatly would add about £50 to that cost as they'll save a lot of ball-ache.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 14 August 2012, 15:02
Free to a good home?  :kiss:

Pay me for the work done on it recently and it's yours.

The various other bits you'll need to install it neatly would add about £50 to that cost as they'll save a lot of ball-ache.  :tongue:

That's very kind but it wouldn't be right for my car right now unless I find out it needs more work to shut it up than is worth doing.  I must stop wanting other peoples stuff, first Chuffs wheels and now this.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 14 August 2012, 16:27
Hahahahaha  :grin:

Will it fit mine - or should I re word it will u fit it to mine  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 14 August 2012, 17:54
''Clive is worth too much to start messing around with it Dave''

:huh:    :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: danny_p on 14 August 2012, 23:49
the pixies will pull clive to the dark side,    now  fannymold for a T28 onto crossflow head ?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 August 2012, 08:41
the pixies will pull clive to the dark side

Chuff, sorry to say it.

You're screwed.

These are not no ordinary pixies.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 15 August 2012, 18:54
the pixies will pull clive to the dark side

Chuff, sorry to say it.

You're screwed.

These are not no ordinary pixies.

looks the the vectra is coming on the 31st  :grin: :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: danny_p on 15 August 2012, 20:06
dose it have a DPF ?   

oh btw  i don't know how the hell it happend and who f**ked up  but the passat MOT'ed  :shocked:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 15 August 2012, 20:09
dose it have a DPF ?   

oh btw  i don't know how the hell it happend and who f**ked up  but the passat MOT'ed  :shocked:

DPF free thankfully. . . . . . . . . . . :smug:

And she was a solid old girl - just a few mechanical issues  :laugh:

you going to clean it before I see it soon  :sick:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 August 2012, 21:22
you going to clean it before I see it soon  :sick:

You've met Danny before, right?  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 August 2012, 00:42
Tonight: front off, coolant out, engine and gearbox out, split, stripped down appropriately.

To order shortly:

Flywheel end crank oil seal
Cambelt kit
Water pump
Cam cover seal
Oil filter

Dash out next session.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 17 August 2012, 07:56
Very productive  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 17 August 2012, 09:43
Very productive  :cool:

Really? Bit lazy for this man.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: danny_p on 17 August 2012, 23:51
i can't belive that that engine is getting serviced  :shocked:   poor thing won't know whats hit it.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 18 August 2012, 00:39
i can't belive that that engine is getting serviced  :shocked:   poor thing won't know whats hit it.

It'll never be as shocked as the MK3 that became his slave.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 August 2012, 18:34
i can't belive that that engine is getting serviced  :shocked:   poor thing won't know whats hit it.

This is my concern.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: leigh_harty on 18 August 2012, 19:10
Ive got a crank seal for an abf aswell (flywheel end if they arnt the same)

Shame i dont have a set you could of had them for the price of postage

If vr6 crank seals are the same then your in luck?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 18 August 2012, 20:07
Cheers for the offer, but I'm going genuine on this occasion - keeping the oil in is a bit important when mixing it up with the likes of R35 GTRs, GT2s and about a million M3s  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 24 August 2012, 20:41
As it stands tonight:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/IMG_8177.jpg)

Dash out:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/IMG_8182.jpg)

I've also unbolted the steering column and put in some washers to lower it, which will need some adjusting when the new seat goes in, to make sure it's right.

What next, eh?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 24 August 2012, 20:43
fat bastard crash test dummy ?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 24 August 2012, 22:11
Less crash test dummy, more plus-size model.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 24 August 2012, 23:19
Wow that first picture really shows off your height.  :grin:

Hmm, got me thinking about my steering column, the luxury of the daily having height adjustable seats and reach and rake wheel is missed in the golf.  May have to have a play with lowering mine a little if its a safe mod.  Could also do with a deeper dished wheel at some point.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 25 August 2012, 08:04
Less crash test dummy, more plus-size model.  :grin:

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 25 August 2012, 11:59
I'd have popped out last night if I knew you were about, would have beaten watching big brother!

I could have filled you with interesting anecdotes about glistening labias as usual, nothing like moral support! :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 August 2012, 12:25
I was out there with my girls, so probably best not, eh?  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Mew on 25 August 2012, 12:49

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/IMG_8182.jpg)


Is there not more weight to be lost with removing the rear seat base, as Nick and Mark have done, or is the weight loss still WIP?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 August 2012, 12:58
Is there not more weight to be lost with removing the rear seat base, as Nick and Mark have done, or is the weight loss still WIP?

There is possibly a little more that could be gained there, but not a lot, actually - it's very thin metal with a lot of spot-welds - reads PITA to me!

It also has my bias valve bolted to it, so I'd have to figure out an alternative mounting for that, which switches from PITA to CBA at the moment.

I'll get it weighed at some point, once this round of changes are done.  Will be interesting to see where it's at.

Track Day Trophy has a limit of 175bhp per tonne, interestingly.  :lipsrsealed:

Sean, on the shear bolts, I had the dash out, so slotted the heads using the angle grinderette, then used a manual impact driver to crack them off.  Once they were cracked off they wound out real easy.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: danny_p on 25 August 2012, 23:13


Track Day Trophy has a limit of 175bhp per tonne, interestingly.  :lipsrsealed:

ummmmmm  intresting.   
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 August 2012, 23:43
ummmmmm  intresting.

Innit.

Only controls aside from that are no slicks and I seem to recall you can't modify the floor of the car (no ground effect).

Oh and you can only do six races until you have to have a second novice driver sharing the driving.

Has the potential to be a route into the hideously expensive world of circuit racing for more than one person.  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 04 September 2012, 00:44
Doing something Olympics-themed:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/20120903_110206.jpg)

Unfortunately what we have appears to have been designed and fabricated by failed paralympians.  :angry:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 04 September 2012, 07:00
Cage?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 04 September 2012, 12:45
:sad:   I'll be out to offer my wisdom later  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 04 September 2012, 19:40
Some days are better than others.

Today was not one of those.

Going to be an interesting result out of it though.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 04 September 2012, 22:21
didn't go to plan then?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 04 September 2012, 22:46
didn't go to plan then?

Understatement.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 04 September 2012, 23:56
Ahhhh roll cage fitting. It's a biatch isn't it. "Yes sir it's designed to exactly fit your car." So why then does my car seem to be too small in nearly every dimension for the damn thing to fit properly!

So er yeah, I feel your pain. I gave up on mine a while back and have been doing other things on the build. GOing back to complete the cage fitment in a couple of weeks as "The Rage" has now subsided.

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Neo Badness on 06 September 2012, 23:33
If you haven't already seen this thread some inspiration for your cage fitting antics

http://www.clubgti.com/showthread.php?204978-Mk2-Golf-IHI-track-car-A-glutton-for-punishment!/page2
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 07 September 2012, 10:48
If you haven't already seen this thread some inspiration for your cage fitting antics

http://www.clubgti.com/showthread.php?204978-Mk2-Golf-IHI-track-car-A-glutton-for-punishment!/page2

Woh.. That's a nice setup!  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 07 September 2012, 11:31
SERIOUS build thread right there!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 07 September 2012, 20:53
the tunnel has a light at the end of it, and stood half way up, is me, waiting for a lift  :grin: :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 September 2012, 01:16
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/20120908_081640.jpg)

Next update the Saturday after this.

Should be *quite* a biggie.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 21 September 2012, 06:48
might even be a day early  :whistle:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 September 2012, 15:27
Currently clock-watching in Beaconsfield - can't wait to fill this space:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/251677_10152142857155354_1500916244_n.jpg)

 :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 21 September 2012, 19:15
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 21 September 2012, 19:59
ooooooooooooooooooooo i seen it  :whistle:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 September 2012, 22:14
First teaser, kids:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300928_10152143457475354_676936003_n.jpg)

It's a bit fandangly and apparently means CustomCages Golf2 kits will be a lot better than they were.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Steve_PD on 21 September 2012, 22:25
Sweet  :cool: :cool: :cool:

Now the big task to build it all up
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 21 September 2012, 22:32
Build it all BACK up, you mean?

Been gathering more bits - new sparkplugs, G60 rear motor mount, oil filter (sounds basic, I know), which have joined new crank sensor, cambelt, crank oil seal, rocker box seal, lightened flywheel and probably some stuff I've forgotten.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 22 September 2012, 00:39
Back home  :grin:

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f11/Wellowpartys/IMAG0743_zpsddb65150.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 September 2012, 00:54
Got up at 04:30, 310 miles and a full day worked today  :shocked:

TFI was Friday
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 22 September 2012, 11:53
nice work!  :cool:

soooo.. how long till the ring trip?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: MS1COYS on 22 September 2012, 15:21
Currently clock-watching in Beaconsfield - can't wait to fill this space:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/251677_10152142857155354_1500916244_n.jpg)

 :grin:

Used to own 'the old tea house' in Beaconsfield, hate the place  :grin:

Can't wait to see this motor finished  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 September 2012, 00:18
Can't wait to see this motor finished  :laugh:

There is no finished.

There is a lot of progress.

We leave for Germany 6th October.

The car needs to be built up and shaken down by then.  :shocked:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 23 September 2012, 00:23
Colossal progress made though  :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 September 2012, 00:40
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8628_zpsce581801.jpg)

Yes, progress has been made steadily.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 23 September 2012, 00:47
Just clicked on the first page of this thread by accident.. funny how things change  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 23 September 2012, 06:52
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8628_zpsce581801.jpg)

Yes, progress has been made steadily.

catt see any difference from when it left mine friday  :whistle:
Title: Re: Cheap-assed Golf2 Syncro track shed
Post by: JC on 23 September 2012, 08:25

I also picked up a pair of seats that will replace the Scirocco items in due course:

(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Corbeau3.jpg)


only 3 and a half years and they might be going in, thats some due course  :whistle:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 23 September 2012, 09:13
That cage is a work of art, love it.

I have to say that paying someone to build and fit one is the way forward. If I ever fit a cage in a tin top again I will spend the extra and get something fabbed up and fitted and not buy something off the shelf as it's been a complete pain in the arse.

Nick
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 September 2012, 09:47
Yes: I nearly got to the point where I had to buy an MX-5....  :whistle:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: MS1COYS on 23 September 2012, 10:53
Yes: I nearly got to the point where I had to buy an MX-5....  :whistle:

Your comments range from the sublime to the ridiculous. I'm starting to understand you  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Wazzzer on 23 September 2012, 18:16
Lovely progress mate. I hear there is a bit of a race to get at least one mk2 done soonish...

It's given you both a kick up the arse though, whatever the outcome :wink:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Neo Badness on 23 September 2012, 21:02
Nothing like a deadline to focus a project. :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 23 September 2012, 21:03
Nothing like a deadline to focus a project. :cool:

dont you remember last time this was ring bound, the engine was back out the night before he went  :whistle:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 September 2012, 22:32
dont you remember last time this was ring bound, the engine was back out the night before he went 

Could you just not mention that at the moment!  I really don't want to remember that sort of pain right now.

Enforced family day today.  :angry:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 September 2012, 23:48
So here's a bit more of an update for anyone who's interested.

A bit more about the cage:

Front strut pick-ups:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8615_zps8d517817.jpg)

A-bars and door cross bars, showing the sill mounting:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8643_zpsf2dfa2c2.jpg)

Top of the front section:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8626_zpsd895fc75.jpg)

Rear struts:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8629_zpscea8d141.jpg)

View when taken from behind:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8628_zpsce581801.jpg)

That tubing specification in full:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8646_zpsb67d8f27.jpg)

What I did yesterday:

Welded in new steel in to fill holes where cage was dropped down to be welded on the top of it.
Patch an area of the floorpan where something had welted it and it had gone off in a circle - very odd.
Position and weld in passenger seat mounts

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8653_zpsc5125c28.jpg)

Diced down remains of dash to fit around dash-bar.  Found that despite me emailing CC to say 'ensure the dashbar doesn't interfere with the speedo drive', it looks like the clocks will be jerry-rigged in for this event and then replaced with an electronic dash of some sort.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8656_zps57cb7e47.jpg)

That's as high as the clocks go with the speedo drive attached.  :rolleyes:

I think I'll be sourcing another dash at some point, but things were really just focused on getting it in for this event:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8655_zps240d4164.jpg)

Mike, who's coming out to drive this as his first 'ring experience is a VW technician and so got on with the important servicing of the ABF:

Replaced cambelt, tensioner, waterpump, thermostat, rocker gasket, sparkplugs, new crank sensor, crank seal at flywheel end.

Fitted lightened flywheel, gearbox, built up other misc bits on engine.  It's now ready to be fitted and will go in once I've done the driver's seat mount and slapped some primer on the tubes in the engine bay.

Engine built up:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8648_zps0d8bd66d.jpg)

Skinny flywheel - 9kg down to around 6kg:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8649_zps2269767b.jpg)

Engine and gearbox waiting to go back in:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8651_zpsfa380b79.jpg)

Next up:

Driver's seat mount (now I've practised on the passenger mount.  :grin:)
Harness mounts
Splash paint on the scuttle area (and one small poxy bit under the screen)
Re-fit windscreen, rear doors, bootlid.
Fire-up and made hooting noises.
Shakedown.

Also outstanding - make rev-counter and screenwash work!

Going to be a busy week!
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: MS1COYS on 24 September 2012, 00:02
I like your DC's  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 24 September 2012, 09:14
They're Mike's.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: MS1COYS on 24 September 2012, 09:15
They're Mike's.

 :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 24 September 2012, 10:21
Quote
Going to be a busy week!

Ring me then  :whistle:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: tweed on 24 September 2012, 20:09
That cage will improve the handling so much you will think its a different car.

Very good  :wink:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 25 September 2012, 00:36
Good night tonight  :smiley:

Heavy picture update imminent.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 September 2012, 00:58
This took a long time:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8661.jpg)

But I'm happy with the mountings.  The seat slides nicely on the runners and locks in as it should do.  We even found a cushion which sorts the driving position out for those of more diminutive proportions.

Two seats in.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8664.jpg)

The victim position seems good and the harness mounts are sorted, although the reinforcement plates still need welding in - to be done on Thursday night:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8663.jpg)

Workplace fits nicely around one:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8665.jpg)

Just got to keep making steady progress.  Next session is on Thursday night, then the heavies are in to criticise my dodgy workmanship, then power-pack in at the weekend and we'll see how it moves.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 25 September 2012, 06:57
more great progress made  :cool:

however, is it just me, but did


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8663.jpg)

remind any of the parents amongt us of the days of

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/daveinseat.jpg)

 :laugh:

Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 25 September 2012, 08:04
more great progress made  :cool:

however, is it just me, but did


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8663.jpg)

remind any of the parents amongt us of the days of

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/daveinseat.jpg)

 :laugh:

 :grin: :grin: :grin:

oh chuff... you just made me have a breakfast cereal/keyboard interface!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 25 September 2012, 10:24
Listen lodger, the rent agreement can always change... :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: MS1COYS on 25 September 2012, 10:50
more great progress made  :cool:

however, is it just me, but did


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/IMG_8663.jpg)

remind any of the parents amongt us of the days of

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/daveinseat.jpg)

 :laugh:

Great shot. What a beautiful wee baby you've got there. All credit to you.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 25 September 2012, 13:22
What, in the mk2?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 25 September 2012, 18:03
Listen lodger, the rent agreement can always change... :grin:

i'm sure the rent should be decreasing after all the 'cleaning up' he did last time  :whistle:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 September 2012, 18:10
Getting back on topic I'm impressed with the flexibility the rails on the driver's seat give the car, although there will be a significant amount of adjusting the straps between drivers!

I'm 6' and the position I found felt really good.

Dave's, errr, shorter and with the booster cushion he seemed to be sorted, although we did have this conversation last night:

'I'll probably still lean forward'

'No Dave, I assure you, with the harnesses tightened down you will NOT be leaning forwards.'

 :rolleyes:

And finally, for Danny, who's 6' 4"ish the seat goes sufficiently far back that I can only just touch the clutch pedal!

All this is before we get into how much up/down movement there is on the seats, with the side-mounts.  :cool:

Can't wait to get back out there on Thursday to get the harness mounts sorted.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: MS1COYS on 25 September 2012, 18:34
Really looking forward to the build updates  :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 25 September 2012, 18:40
Great shot. What a beautiful wee baby you've got there. All credit to you.  :smiley:

erm, not mine,  :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

 I googled it, mine are 16 years +  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 25 September 2012, 19:15
Still want to see your produce, Chuff   :wink:  :grin:

And can confirm, I won't be leaning forward, atall.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 25 September 2012, 19:17
Still want to see your produce, Chuff   :wink:  :grin:

And can confirm, I won't be leaning forward, atall.

was that some kind of freudian slip Frodo?

did you mean.. I won't be leaning forward, ashort?  :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 September 2012, 23:40
Cheeky hour out at the barn tonight.  Front outriggers zinc-galv primed:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/20120926_212430.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Cage/20120926_212442.jpg)

Car on ramp, ready for much harness mount sorting tomorrow night, as well as insertion of the engine and gearbox.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 28 September 2012, 02:00
Harness mounts welded in.

Underside areas painted.

Engine and gearbox in and it runs..... very nicely indeed, too.

I think Chuff has some photos and suchlike.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 28 September 2012, 02:03
and as if by magic ..  a little taster of the evning and a fair bit of this mornings efforts

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4879.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4881.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4882.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4883.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4884.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4887.jpg)

and last but not least ( and excuse daves singing  :whistle: ) click next one for the moment of truth  :lipsrsealed:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/th_DSCF4890.jpg) (http://s427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/?action=view&current=DSCF4890.mp4)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 28 September 2012, 02:06
and not forgetting the important addition

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4891.jpg)

 :grin:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 28 September 2012, 02:09
oh and dave doing what dave does best  :whistle:


(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4877.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 28 September 2012, 19:03
Chuff being an amazing grumpy old bugger this afternoon:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/20120928_182158.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 28 September 2012, 19:32
well 10 hours was enough for me, clambering about in and out of the assault course of bars, struts and wires  :laugh: and painting by strip light isnt the best  :lipsrsealed:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4901.jpg)

now I aint no Mr Thom89 but the finish wasnt important it was more about the protection side of it, as a temporary measure until Mr Hell has the time to do a proper job after our lickle trip away next weekend  :smiley:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4903.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4902.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4899.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4898.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4895.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4894.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4893.jpg)

and thankfully this had dried before someone  :whistle: started wire brushing above it,  :rolleyes:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4900.jpg)




Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 28 September 2012, 20:26
well 10 hours was enough for me, clambering about in and out of the assault course of bars, struts and wires  :laugh: and painting by strip light isn't the best

All through welding in the seat mounts I have been swearing at what a pain in the backside clambering over all the bars is.  :grin:

and thankfully this had dried before someone  :whistle: started wire brushing above it,

Oi!  You'd told me it was dry and I'd been clambering about inside it before that as well!

Huge thanks to Chuff for the help today.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 28 September 2012, 20:37


All through welding in the seat mounts I have been swearing at what a pain in the backside clambering over all the bars is.  :grin:



and you a fcuk site younger, smaller and more lightweight than me  :whistle:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 28 September 2012, 22:20
Yes, but paint tends not to spit and burn quite so much and you're off your tits on the fumes anyway.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 28 September 2012, 22:31
 :whistle: driving home in the pouring rain was interesting,  thought i was on the log flume for a while  :laugh:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 29 September 2012, 23:05
Time for todays 10 hour shift update


add in the workforce

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4907.jpg)

and we went large first spot of dash rebuilding

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4904.jpg)

doors and boot back on, rear seals were interesting due to close proximity of the cage

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4905.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4906.jpg)

and we were on a roll  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 29 September 2012, 23:09
next up, refreshment  :whistle:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4908.jpg)

and the big potential show stopper  :lipsrsealed:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4910.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4911.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4912.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4913.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4914.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4915.jpg)

Result - Dave done good :afro:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 29 September 2012, 23:12
then we set fire to it  :shocked: :laugh:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4917.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4918.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4920.jpg)

then dave did some adjustments to some heater vents  :whistle:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4921.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 29 September 2012, 23:17
another large and significant item

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4922.jpg)

then we needed to remove the wheels of this, in that position, loaded up like that  :lipsrsealed:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4930.jpg)

so we could

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4929.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4928.jpg)

then after a few more adjustments lead to

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4923.jpg)

 :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 29 September 2012, 23:23
and off it went on the first of quite a few test runs down the lane , after a small minor detail  :whistle:

click to view vids  :wink:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/th_DSCF4924.jpg) (http://s427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/?action=view&current=DSCF4924.mp4)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/th_DSCF4925.jpg) (http://s427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/?action=view&current=DSCF4925.mp4)


loads of other stuff done along the way, alternator change, small odd jobs, some bracket fabriction, radiator repositioned etc etc etc .

Back on it tomorrow  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 30 September 2012, 00:07
What can I say - what a difference a day makes - things are looking very good, as a result of a great team working on the car.

Although I didn't *just* drive it myself.
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 30 September 2012, 17:42
very good work being done here by the looks of things... nice updates  :cool:
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: tech1889 on 30 September 2012, 18:38
Good work as ever mate
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 30 September 2012, 19:12
It immobilised itself for about half an hour this evening, when being tested.

Not happy about that.

AB ECU (non-immob) same pinout and connector as the BE (immob)?  Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 30 September 2012, 20:45
but on a Positive note, my update  :kiss:

both seats now in, lots of room for the larger passenger and driver combo's that will be going on  :cool:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4932.jpg)

the next job took a LONG time, as it was very much cut, try, cut more etc etc more fabrication of new brackets to resecure the clocks in a viewable position as the cable route had to be changed due to a cage bar

some more fabrication and the dashboard and clocks look almost standard, but if only you knew  :whistle:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4933.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4934.jpg)

Washer bottle was relocated to the boot, however a wiring / switch issue stopped them from working, so a spot of genius, some wire running round the boot and the now defunct rear demist switch operates the washer pump  :laugh:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4935.jpg)

next up , the bonnet cable was removed for cage fittment, so some funky new catches to match the swanky seats - first side was a tw4t, but live and learn and the other side took abotu a 1/4 of the time.

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4936.jpg)

we like sparks

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4937.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4938.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4939.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4935.jpg)

so after a VERY busy 3 days the old girl is almost ( well he broke it on test  :rolleyes: ) ready, and I am fooking knackered  :laugh: this grafting lark is not good !



Title: Re: Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 30 September 2012, 20:47
and finally, looks like a car, and even goes like one, sometimes  :whistle:

clicky for video

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/th_A4737688-6AD0-49C7-9C25-C251A062B57F-2013-0000017FDEA631A3.jpg) (http://s427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/?action=view&current=A4737688-6AD0-49C7-9C25-C251A062B57F-2013-0000017FDEA631A3.mp4)
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 05 October 2012, 09:32
Final issues thrashed out last night, I think.

Ready to go, which is just as well as we're on the 07:15 boat tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 05 October 2012, 11:28
Final issues thrashed out last night, I think.

Ready to go, which is just as well as we're on the 07:15 boat tomorrow morning.

big boat or little boat?
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 05 October 2012, 15:39
little one first, then the big one  :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 05 October 2012, 16:10
Little one on tugging duties?
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 05 October 2012, 16:59
Little one to get to England   :cool:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 05 October 2012, 20:32
Racked up on the trailer, all ready to go.  :cool:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 05 October 2012, 21:35
 :cool:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 06 October 2012, 09:10
have fun ladies  :smiley:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 07 October 2012, 09:25
Everyone fits, everyone's happy.

Even Danny fits, although it takes quite a lot of effort to get him in.  :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 08 October 2012, 00:21
is it still running ok?
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 08 October 2012, 22:30
One helluva day today.  Got four sighting laps done, one with each driver, then I took Chuff out for the first warm lap and at 100mph coming through Flugplatz there was an incident, resulting in this at 09:50

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/76211_10152184828420354_1918590214_n.jpg)

Which resulted in a trip on the back of a lorry and then a visit to the Mullenbach scrapyard.  Thankfully we were in the right car to be in a German scrapyard, so a pair of skanky FK coilovers, a control arm and a fuel pump later we got back to the car park.  At around 13:00hrs the car was back to:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/62507_10152184830320354_695973544_n.jpg)

and team .:WR were back out lapping.

Huge respect to the .:WR guys out here for pulling together as an amazing team today getting everyone back out driving and racking up another 11 laps through the afternoon.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 08 October 2012, 22:39
Fat bastid ballast may just have saved the golf from a trip onto its roof  :lipsrsealed:

And gotta love German scrapyards  :grin:

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/60917DA3-F10B-4125-A1C7-942B8B1BDC73-6026-0000077BB6FBF8CB.jpg)

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/7E07E632-73C3-4ECD-81A8-6D34455B767A-6026-0000077BBED0D00A.jpg)

So unlike a very fcuked 911 and seat the golf lived the same day  :cool:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Guy on 09 October 2012, 11:54
golly... so what actually happened?  :huh:

well done for getting it back on track!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Hurdy on 09 October 2012, 20:04
Fat Bastid ballast FTMFW! :grin:

In car video of the incident?  :laugh:

Seriously though, glad you are ok and lived to fight another day. :cool:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 09 October 2012, 20:16
DH is still trucking on home Hurdy, awaiting his second boat of the day no doubt.  :whistle:

car got some very strange looks when it went back out, espeically from the organisers  :grin: :laugh:

dont think people believed it was fixed with bits from a scrappy.

whats more, they were coilovers,  :lipsrsealed:

 tracking and camber done by eye  :laugh:

 oh and we had to do some pikey arch rolling too  :smug:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Rhyso on 09 October 2012, 20:33
Shed engineering FTW  :cool: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Hurdy on 09 October 2012, 23:02
I do love a little Heath Robinson repair skillz.  :nerd:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 October 2012, 13:14
Early doors photo, with Dave at the wheel and me in the shouting position:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/523358_10152164816320361_1437343197_n.jpg)

Me at the wheel a bit earlier:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230989_10152188892355354_1462085566_n.jpg)

That photo needs cropping down - sun-outlined GolfGTI.co.uk sticker in the rear window  :cool:

So what happened?  Contact at 100mph coming through Flugplatz.

A nice man signs the Golf where he hit us:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/561997_10152187748215354_108225545_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 10 October 2012, 13:23
Get some laquer sprayed over that bump and sig so it doesn't fade, cool momento of a lucky escape!
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 10 October 2012, 18:37
cant laquer, will cause the pen to run  :wink:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SteveP on 10 October 2012, 19:05
Was gutted to see you guys at the side of the track but glad you where OK and the car lived on to return to the circuit  :smiley:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 10 October 2012, 19:51
Such a great trip, so much fun.

Great people, great place, fab weekend.

Couldn't have asked for any more from it anyway.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 10 October 2012, 20:01
Was gutted to see you guys at the side of the track but glad you where OK and the car lived on to return to the circuit  :smiley:

Did wave when I saw you go by steve, not a great start to the day  :lipsrsealed:

Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 10 October 2012, 20:01
Couldn't have asked for any more from it anyway.

erm, trip to Pasha's ?  :laugh: :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 10 October 2012, 20:10
Couldn't have asked for any more from it anyway.

erm, trip to Pasha's ?  :laugh: :grin:

Have to save something for next time  :laugh:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Steve_PD on 13 October 2012, 17:41
Being repaired by the .:WR guys

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/559647_3815036409670_975696513_n.jpg)

Who needs spring compressors....when you got a Chuff, DannyP and a old wheel..... :whistle:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/554137_3815036249666_675175720_n.jpg)

 :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 13 October 2012, 20:31
Damaged accessed tonight.. Sure pictures will follow   :whistle:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 October 2012, 00:09
Before stripping down the front wing etc:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8858.jpg)

From above:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8859.jpg)

The only place I could see signs of not-quite-rightness is in the top mount cup:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8829.jpg)

But am I just being paranoid?

Here is how bent the front control arm is:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8871.jpg)

Front OS wing removed to assess conditions underneath and look for any telltales of bending:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8866.jpg)

The corner that took the impact:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8869.jpg)

The damper that took the impact:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8852.jpg)

I think the steering knuckle is bent, but don't have another easily available to assess:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8861.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8862.jpg)

Subframe on impact side:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8834.jpg)

I appear to have been sick all down my body:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8850.jpg)

The inner wing pushed out and squared up with a few wallops and a bit of plier action.

Grazed bits at the rear:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8840.jpg)

Sill dink:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8845.jpg)

Seams not altogether happy nearby this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Post-Crash/IMG_8847.jpg)

What've I missed?

I need to have the arm off from the rack, that looks to be slightly bent where the knuckle spins on.

Any hints, tips and suggestions for figuring out if it's straight would be great.  Panel gap on the back of the front wings looked much the same either side.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: danny_p on 14 October 2012, 00:43
IMO

track rod arm,  track rod ball joint and lowerball joint all need replaceing

driveshaft needs comeing off and checking for straightness  it's known to be managable but chould be sub optimal.
i would be checking both inner and outer cv's over quite carefully very likely they have been traumatised espectaly the outer one.   

strut top mounting cup may have moved a tiny bit .....  more than likely it's moved upwards a tiny bit  jumping hump back brideges will do that,  wouldn't worry about it dosent look like its gone far probaly still within tolerance anyway.   you'll be fixing it properly at some point anyway when you cut the cups off to fit plates for adjustable top mounts anyway  :wink:

measure between the bolt centers on the frount wishbone mounts of the sub frame and another subfare just to compare  they sometimes tweek in there. 

looks like those FK's  survived about 1/2 day of play

 
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 15 October 2012, 16:59
Barrier damage issues sorted today.

Vee W Services in Bristol called for a quote for the bits that need replacing on the damaged corner.

This would be:

Both control arms, which will be stitch-welded before they're let on the car.
New TT rear bushes for the rear of the control arms.
Both dampers
Steering rack arm
Steering knuckle
Lower balljoint
Inner and outer 100mm CVs.

As I said to Dave at the weekend - I think the wing might get pushed back out and put back on.  Definitely needs a replacement front bumper though.  Slam panel might get some loving attention and re-fitted as well.  :grin:

Good excuse to fit the wheelarch liners with brake ducts, too.  I've had them lying about forever!

We finally roasted the 280mm front pads on this track day as well.  Whatever the replacements are they want to be bedded in on the road, as that seems to make the pads last bloody well!
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 16 October 2012, 19:24
I have my eye on a donor,  :kiss:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 October 2012, 09:22
Slow, steady and occasionally buzzing the front tyres on the wheelarches, despite pikey arch-rolling in the car park after the scrapyard coilovers were installed.  It's about the only nearly-clean lap I got in the Golf at DN6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTCLJOAuPdY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTCLJOAuPdY)
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 19 October 2012, 01:23
Lurid:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Grab3.jpg)
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Steve_PD on 19 October 2012, 13:01
Thats a great still :grin: :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Wazzzer on 19 October 2012, 16:42
The next bit was better, the guys trying to convince themselves that cutting up the inside of someone on a left hand bend and putting said person into the barrier wasn't their fault
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 24 October 2012, 21:09
Lurid:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/Grab3.jpg)

Air time  :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

 :whistle:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 24 October 2012, 23:12
It does look a bit like an old biddies shopping car has been teleported into a race much to the surprise of the participants. :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 25 October 2012, 07:28
I know - no pit to car aerial.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Horney on 25 October 2012, 11:11
I know - no pit to car aerial.

You're a bit more 21st century than me with your chuff and a mobile phone isntead.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Neo Badness on 27 October 2012, 21:02
Fcuk a duck, good you guys are ok. There's always some knobber who spoils it for others.
Kudos on getting it out for more laps that day :cool:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 November 2012, 17:54
Anyone wanna see a video?

http://youtu.be/FHwITl2kALw

 :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 22 November 2012, 18:54
 :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 22 November 2012, 19:03
''f**k!''...  :grin:

No Tom, it's not your tyre that's popped, it was an incoming invisible undercutting lap record holding Radical   :shocked:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 22 November 2012, 19:26
Looked like fun.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: cam73 on 22 November 2012, 19:33
Just watched the video!  Very lucky the outcome wasn't worse given the way he punted into the Golf.  Nice to see him stop to check everyone was alright!!!!!
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Mr_Orange on 22 November 2012, 19:51
Anyone wanna see a video?

http://youtu.be/FHwITl2kALw

 :grin:

The anticipation of it all, I got real nervous watching that.  Can't believe the f###er drove off! 
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 22 November 2012, 22:02
Try beiNg the fat Cnut ballast in the passenger seat trying to keep it rubber side down  :whistle:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 November 2012, 23:44
It was actually far more sensible to drive off than stop there - it's a section of the track where the bigger boys are coming through at 150mph.

Better a couple of people behind the barriers and one car on the grass than four people and two cars and an almighty smash with several other cars.

As the recovery driver said 'we cannot stop the petrol leak here, it is too hot'.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: scarr89 on 23 November 2012, 16:49
Jesus. That is terrible.

Was that his fault? I assume you swapped insurance details  :nerd:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 November 2012, 17:54
It was a track day - enter at your own risk.

The excess on most track day policies would cover the value of my Golf  :grin:

Was it his fault?

Rules of the day:

Overtaking by consent only - the overtakee signals consent using their indicators.
Overtaking on straights only - issue - the 'ring's a bit short on straights.  :grin:

The final verdict on all this is when I can be bothered to build the front back up with known good or new parts and we put it on a Hunter machine to see if it will line up.

If it lines up it won't have been a catastrophic experience - if it had gone over at 80 that would have been VERY bad.

If it doesn't line up I'll be p*ssed and I'll be asking Thom89 if he knows anyone with a jig!
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: scarr89 on 23 November 2012, 19:22
I dared to jest about the insurance  :lipsrsealed:

So did you indicate? Couldn't see in the vid. Looked awful.  :rolleyes:

I imagine him saying get the hell out of my way b!tch!!! right before he side swiped you!  :sad:

Hope you get it all sorted mate.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 24 November 2012, 09:30
No, I didn't indicate.  Neither Chuff nor I had seen him (and Chuff was looking for cars coming up on us) - low grey car with no lights on a grey track.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: MS1COYS on 24 November 2012, 10:53
2.52m to 3.00m - "You alright mate.......f**kkkk!"

 :grin:

Glad you were all safe. Was there any damage to the 'Rad'?
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 November 2012, 16:50
The radical is mostly carbon fibre, so no - no damage from my car, or from the Ferrari 458 he hit later.

Ordered required bits to reassemble and test alignment today.  Should be good to have fitted on Thursday night and maybe align up on Saturday PM.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Prawny on 26 November 2012, 17:58
That section of track has claimed many of us Thomas :(

Makes me cringe watching that video, glad you got away better than I did though!
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 November 2012, 18:24
Makes me cringe watching that video, glad you got away better than I did though!

Your incident was in my mind as it happened.

I may have thought 'I've Prawned it'.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Prawny on 26 November 2012, 18:31


I may have thought 'I've Prawned it'.

For those that don't understand the 'prawned it' reference, this is how you prawn it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaC8ihrJq_s
 
And live to fight another day, somehow!

Glad to hear the golf is going to be back to full health again, it's a very cool car this
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 November 2012, 16:59
Biggish box of bits arrived on time today.

Fitting up with some skanky old dampers tonight.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 29 November 2012, 20:10
I glad we didnt prawny it  :grin:  cos i hate prawns  :sick:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 30 November 2012, 08:41
Built both sides of the front suspension up last night.

Was worried about not being able to put any camber on the side that took the strain during the off.  Spent some time looking everything over.

Changed the hub out for another one I had.

Turns out the hub casting was bent.  :shocked:

Seems the new track rod end was made of cheese - nut went on OK, but simply wouldn't come off without air assistance, which tore the centre out of the nut.

I'm confident it wasn't cross-threaded.

Very odd.  I think we'll try another one of those.

Now ready to be aligned in 7-10 days and we'll see what's what.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave-iow on 01 December 2012, 06:37
It was a track day - enter at your own risk.

Was it his fault?

Rules of the day:

Overtaking by consent only - the overtakee signals consent using their indicators.
Overtaking on straights only - issue - the 'ring's a bit short on straights.  :grin:

Hmmm, having watched the video several times now and knowing how trackdays/Nurburgring work, if people wait for the cars in front to indicate, it would be renamed the M25 on a busy day!

You can clearly see you move over to the right, Vergers thought it was clear, then as he commits, you moved back over to the left and he had nowhere to go. The speed you were travelling at, there was no need for you to take the "racing line" on that section.

I would have done exactly the same had I been driving, thinking you had moved over to let him through. Is it possible your mirrors had broken down?

Sorry, but although by rights you feel he was at fault, with the experience you have on track days and also the Nurburgring, I think you and I both I both know who was at fault.

Yours
Rosco (logged in on Daves account)
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 01 December 2012, 12:14


Hmmm, having watched the video several times now and knowing how trackdays/Nurburgring work, if people wait for the cars in front to indicate, it would be renamed the M25 on a busy day!


so the part of the drivers brief that said "overtaking was by invitation, in the form of the right indicator" was irrelivant then   :lipsrsealed:

Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 December 2012, 12:35
Thanks for the input, Steve. If either Chuff, or I had seen the tarmac coloured and unlit car approaching us I would agree.

We hadn't. Everyone else had to have lights on. They didn't have any lights and as far as I'm aware won't be allowed back out on another DN Event without marker lights.

Also, if you look at how Sabine conducted herself on the hot laps she was doing, you'll see she does slow and wait for people to acknowledge her before she passes.

Curiously she didn't hit the Golf, or a Ferrari on the same day.

But everyone's entitled to their own opinion, especially if they don't know the car, or the conditions.

Have you painted the other side of your fence yet?
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave-iow on 01 December 2012, 12:46
Thanks for the input, Steve. If either Chuff, or I had seen the tarmac coloured and unlit car approaching us I would agree.

We hadn't. Everyone else had to have lights on. They didn't have any lights and as far as I'm aware won't be allowed back out on another DN Event without marker lights.

Also, if you look at how Sabine conducted herself on the hot laps she was doing, you'll see she does slow and wait for people to acknowledge her before she passes.

Curiously she didn't hit the Golf, or a Ferrari on the same day.

But everyone's entitled to their own opinion, especially if they don't know the car, or the conditions.

Have you painted the other side of your fence yet?

We all have our mishaps, i've had my fair share, believe me. If you had a "x" on the back of your car i would agree with you, but mate, you have done sh!tloads of laps there and know how it works.

As for my fence, that wasnt you that went through it was it :D
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 December 2012, 15:08
You're missing the point: the car wasn't visible, I didn't see it, he assumed too much.

As I pointed out, he also did the same with a Ferrari on the same day (which Unique had to get repaired from what I've read) and another 7-8 other people said they'd had near-misses with him on the day, too.

The main things are:

Everything was resolved amicably
No one got hurt
No one punched anyone
We got back out on track by lunchtime and weren't involved in any further incidents

We will be back out there in due course, as hopefully will the Golf.

Job's a good 'un.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 December 2012, 15:30
As for my fence, that wasnt you that went through it was it :D

oh and I have better things to do than drive through other people's fences.  :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 02 December 2012, 00:08
You're missing the point: the car wasn't visible, I didn't see it, he assumed too much.

As I pointed out, he also did the same with a Ferrari on the same day (which Unique had to get repaired from what I've read) and another 7-8 other people said they'd had near-misses with him on the day, too.

The main things are:

Everything was resolved amicably
No one got hurt
No one punched anyone
We got back out on track by lunchtime and weren't involved in any further incidents

We will be back out there in due course, as hopefully will the Golf.

Job's a good 'un.

you forgot that someone cleared your armco damage bill, now why would they do that  :whistle:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: tweed on 02 December 2012, 11:22
Who cares its done with now!

Glad it's straight and don't need to jig it up.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 December 2012, 15:36
Hang on - it's not been lined up yet!
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: tweed on 02 December 2012, 18:56
Oh  :lipsrsealed:

Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Wayne on 02 December 2012, 20:58
How much was the amrco damage bill then ?
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 December 2012, 22:03
No idea.  Not mine to sort and hence of no real interest.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 December 2012, 19:38
Finally got the Golf down to a Hunter-type alignment set up today, with 'some' dampers on the front, and all of the other new bits.

-2.75degrees camber on the nearside and -1.75 on the offside was set to -2.35ish on both sides by releasing the sub-frame, getting a bar on it and giving it a herck across back towards the offside (where the impact was).

With that minor tweak everything is within tolerance again.

This is a huge relief.  Now I have to choose which dampers to put on the front and by the looks of things I need some perkier springs at the back, as with the addition of the cage the rear wheels have gone from -2.5 to -3.3 camber and the rear shafts are now pointing up from the diff a bit.  I might replace dampers all round and see if that changes the ride height at all (I know it *shouldn't*).

Also still required is a replacement front bumper and the offside front wing needs someone with some bodywork skills to push it out at the front where it was crushed.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 29 December 2012, 19:59
I can do the wing, been 25 years since I worked in a bodyshop but hey ho  :whistle:

Shall see what I can sort on the bumper front on the mainland too  :smiley:

Glad it's all straight  :cool:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 December 2012, 20:03
I can do the wing, been 25 years since I worked in a bodyshop but hey ho  :whistle:

Shall see what I can sort on the bumper front on the mainland too  :smiley:

Legend and cheers.  Let me know when we should expect you next.  Once things are back up together it might be time to look up some sprints for 2013.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 29 December 2012, 20:07
tis ok, you can change the gear linkages out on the G2 next time I am over  :laugh:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Steve_PD on 29 December 2012, 20:38
Good news mate! Bet that's a weight of your shoulders!
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 30 December 2012, 12:36
During my absence from here I did spot a couple of repair pics come up via Chuffs FB at the time, the one that sticks in my mind is the human spring compressor.  I had no idea the extend of the issues you were dealing with until I caught up on this thread!

Harsh, feel for you as there was clearly nothing you could have done.  Good news that you haven't got to go to the extreme measures I did to get it straight again.  And, obviously even better news that nobody was hurt and the car lives on to race another day!  I think a lot of thanks go to Chuff for being in the passenger seat at the time and if it had of rolled you had the cage, timing or what!?
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Dave_IOW on 30 December 2012, 14:44
Good news DH  :smiley:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 27 January 2013, 09:39
Dave came up with a pair of replacement bumpers, the front one has been offered up and it's good to see things looking very much straighter and tidier than before.

Just need a replacement off-side headlight surround (headlight is good, surround is bent), the offside indicator and a gentle bit of tactical pushing out on the offside wing and we should be ready to take the control arms off and stitch up the new ones.

Then I'm going to need to actually drive it a bit more  :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 27 January 2013, 10:19
Might have the headlight surround - swapped one out that was cracked  :smiley:

Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: stow1985 on 27 January 2013, 21:56
Another thread I'm up to date with...

Shame about the accident...glad everyone came out ok and the cars being sorted. Going by the video the golf seems a easy car to drive on the track...god bless syncro
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 27 January 2013, 22:31
Going by the video the golf seems a easy car to drive on the track...god bless syncro

That's kinda the idea.  :wink:

Shame about the accident.

Nah - could have been SO much worse and it was one helluvan experience.  Plus I'd like to claim the chipped cup theory on the car now.  :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 December 2013, 09:08
Finally pulled out some of the footage from nearly FOUR years ago and processed it, because it was massively over-exposed, which is why it looks a bit odd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP1L1mff1Cw
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: SoundillusioN on 27 December 2013, 17:34
Finally pulled out some of the footage from nearly FOUR years ago and processed it, because it was massively over-exposed, which is why it looks a bit odd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP1L1mff1Cw

Nice lap, although you didn't have your infamous left hand turn down force aid with you on this one.  :grin:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 28 December 2013, 17:55
Finally pulled out some of the footage from nearly FOUR years ago and processed it, because it was massively over-exposed, which is why it looks a bit odd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP1L1mff1Cw

Nice lap, although you didn't have your infamous left hand turn down force aid with you on this one.  :grin:


and nor will he ever have again  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 29 December 2013, 00:46
and nor will he ever have again  :lipsrsealed:

Pussy.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: JC on 29 December 2013, 05:08
Pussy.


Yes, an old ageing one.  with not many lives left  :tongue:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: molegti on 31 December 2013, 13:20
Whats the situation with this car now has it made a full reovery following its  "off" at the ring?
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 31 December 2013, 23:18
Needs stitch-welded control arms replaced and new front dampers, as well as a replacement headlight fitted and a few other bits and bobs, but it's right and good, just haven't had the budget/time for any track action in 2013.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 January 2014, 02:18
£70 well spent on a set of good condition Team Dynamics 1.2 (I think) rims for this tonight, so I still have two sets after the upset at the end of 2012.

May get some more attention tomorrow, as well...
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 13 January 2014, 18:55
Hooked tyres off two of them and checked the weights - they're 7kg each, on the nail, so only .5kg heavier than the 5-spoke ones I already have, which is nice.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 13 January 2014, 22:46
wow that's nearly as heavy as sebrings  :shocked:
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 January 2014, 10:24
No, I'd say that's 1.9kg lighter than Sebrings, which weigh in at 9.9kg when last I checked.
Title: Re: Caged, bucketed & harnessed Golf2 Syncro ABF
Post by: Diamond Hell on 07 August 2014, 14:49
Hello.  Believe it or not, I still have this, just been busy with lots of other stuff.  Found another problem when trying to swap out the CVs on the longer front shaft.  Took off the O/S front shaft to replace the CVs.  There was slop on the inner one, but the outer one wouldn't leave.  Until it was sledge-hammered off by DannyP.  The splines on the end of the shaft were bent.

Now this sort of thing wouldn't normally be an issue - you just replace the driveshaft, but because this is a standard-track MKII with a Rallye gearbox and transfer box there's only one shaft that will fit.... the one from a Rallye.

Guess how available those are.

I had a couple of 2WD shafts hanging around.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/20140725_000848_zps15611ed2.jpg) (http://"http://smg.photobucket.com/user/diamondhell/media/20140725_000848_zps15611ed2.jpg.html")

Which look like they might be possible to shorten down.

So, I got in contact with The One True Brian at RH Machinery, who does quite a lot of fabrication on the Locost racers from the IOW.  He was a bit nervous, because he hadn't shortened a shaft of this type before, but he agreed to take the job.

I dropped the shaft off and got a text about a week later - all done and good.  Apparently the ends are fabricated somehow in a single piece and then the two halves are cut to the right length and friction welded by VW.

The shaft I had dropped off was well out of true when he spun it up in the lathe - this is possibly why VW fit thumping great rubber dampers to them from the factory.

Anyway, he cut the required length out, turned down some CDS to fit in one end, fitted it, checked it was true, then turned it down to suit the other end.  These were then puddle-welded at 180 degrees at one point and again at a second point (turned through 90 degrees).  The external joint was then welded and flatted back - one perfectly straight shaft, the right length for my car.

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One end was a bit poxy, hence the pitting in that photo.  I've now insured this and once I've finished setting up campsite stuff I'll need to get it out and MOTed and on the road.  It is about time.
Title: Re: Shed-esque Golf2 Syncro
Post by: Diamond Hell on 08 August 2014, 02:40
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FINALLY back on four wheels.  Needs a numberplate bulb, indicator bulb, sidelight bulb, headlight alignment and a pin into one of the screenwash jets, then it's MOT time.
Title: Re: Shed-esque Golf2 Syncro
Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 September 2014, 00:37
So, it now has two new numberplate lights.

New front indicator to the offside.

New lights stalk.

Nearside indicators that work without tooting the horn!

An unacceptable wobble on the angle-drive output on the offside.

Time to pop the offside shaft back off to investigate.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Shed-esque Golf2 Syncro
Post by: Wazzzer on 02 September 2014, 17:36
good going mate, hopefully see it back on the road soon
Title: Re: Shed-esque Golf2 Syncro
Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 September 2014, 18:33
It's not this one that needs your attention  :tongue:
Title: Re: Shed-esque Golf2 Syncro
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 September 2015, 14:30
This is back up and running now.

Took it to Combe for a track day (Horney was there) in July.

It rained.  A lot.  Only one car was quicker than us all day and it was a 2015 RS4, which is fine.

We took an event shelter, so we could shelter from events, which is just as well as there was much rain event through the day:

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Mrs Hell drove:

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A great day was had.

I responded to a call for people to take people out on track for Mission Motorsport last week and did a few sessions with randomers on Saturday.  Keeping rather nicer company than the Golf:

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It's been MOTed, taxed and insured all summer, which has meant it's been out for a few nice blasts .  Chuff says I should paint the cage.... and he's probably right, but I have a lot going on at the moment.  :grin:
Title: Re: Shed-esque Golf2 Syncro
Post by: Rhyso on 14 September 2015, 17:16
Paint adds weight though!! :grin:
Title: Re: Shed-esque Golf2 Syncro
Post by: JC on 14 September 2015, 20:29
 :rolleyes: I will just get Gemma to paint it................ PINK  :kiss:
Title: Re: Shed-esque Golf2 Syncro
Post by: Diamond Hell on 14 September 2015, 23:26
She'll paint it black.

She likes black.
Title: Re: Shed-esque Golf2 Syncro
Post by: Diamond Hell on 26 November 2015, 22:58
Shockingly I have painted quite a bit of the cage.

Black.

With a brush.

It's better than just exposed steel, rusting.