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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: scanesare on 25 November 2017, 17:59

Title: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: scanesare on 25 November 2017, 17:59
Came across the message in the photo after my last sd card update, I didn't add that many tracks to those already on the card (bit over 10K) so I either happened to hit the max number of supported files or something else is going on. Has anyone else come across such a message? Also, does anyone know for sure whether  the database resets itself every time you eject/re-insert the SD or it just keeps on adding entries until it maxes out?

I'd love to read the manual but unfortunately the dealer was not kind enough to source it for me as the car is bought in Sweden...

(https://i.imgur.com/hJabEtg.jpg)
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: fredgroves on 25 November 2017, 18:56
Try doing the factory reset on the media system. Just media, it will only delete and rebuild the database. I often have to do it because I never safely eject the cards before removing them and that can screw up the database. Rebuild takes seconds and there are no downsides.
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: scanesare on 25 November 2017, 19:42
Try doing the factory reset on the media system. Just media, it will only delete and rebuild the database. I often have to do it because I never safely eject the cards before removing them and that can screw up the database. Rebuild takes seconds and there are no downsides.

Will try and report back.
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: ajmoir36 on 26 November 2017, 07:50
Try doing the factory reset on the media system. Just media, it will only delete and rebuild the database. I often have to do it because I never safely eject the cards before removing them and that can screw up the database. Rebuild takes seconds and there are no downsides.

+1
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: scanesare on 26 November 2017, 19:07
Reset the media system without a card in, re-inserted the sd card and got the same message  :sad: 

Really this Discover Pro system is by far the worst money I spent on the car. For the price of a Macbook Pro you get not only joke specs (resolution, touch screen) but file system capabilities that are worse even than MS-DOS FAT file system if 10K is the max number of files supported. So much for buying a 128gb SD card to have my entire music library with me...

Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: fredgroves on 27 November 2017, 09:36
I don't think its to do with the file system, as even FAT16 will handle more file than that.

I think its the database having a maximum number of records.

Out of interest, what if you put some of the files on SD2 instead? Has it got a 10k limit per SD card?
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: scanesare on 27 November 2017, 10:10
I don't think its to do with the file system, as even FAT16 will handle more file than that.

I think its the database having a maximum number of records.

Out of interest, what if you put some of the files on SD2 instead? Has it got a 10k limit per SD card?

Yes clearly it's not the file system but the joke database design/limitation, I was only making a rough comparison.

Do you mean using a second SD to transfer some items there and see whether it's a card or database limitation? I'd have to find another SD first to try that. Think I have one in some old camera...
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: fredgroves on 27 November 2017, 10:36
I was wondering if the 10k limit was for the whole system or just one SD card...

I wondered whether 10k music tracks was a lot, then checked my collection on my computer... no its not a lot lol

I can't say I have hit the 10k limit in the car though.
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: scanesare on 07 December 2017, 15:10
Haven't had time to fetch a second SD and see if the limit is per SD or on the entire db, by I tried deleting a few hundred items from the main SD, basically dropped from 11,700 to 10,800 and the limit error message is gone  :huh:

Still 10,800 seems like a strange number to be a file limit, maybe something else going on like some specific/long folder structure creating hiccups? Needs more investigation...
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: fredgroves on 07 December 2017, 15:57
I meant to say, even with the error message (which suggests the database has hit the max), if you just use "folder view" (and i am a bit old skool and use this rather than selecting by artist name etc), does it let you see all of your files?

I have a folder structure like:

artist name --->albums--->songs

So all of my Deep Purple albums are folders under Deep Purple etc

I only ever want to listen to whole albums, so this Ipod style crap isn't something I want anyway!

If I've made a compilation, thats under "Various Artists"

Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: scanesare on 07 December 2017, 19:38
I meant to say, even with the error message (which suggests the database has hit the max), if you just use "folder view" (and i am a bit old skool and use this rather than selecting by artist name etc), does it let you see all of your files?

I have a folder structure like:

artist name --->albums--->songs

So all of my Deep Purple albums are folders under Deep Purple etc

I only ever want to listen to whole albums, so this Ipod style crap isn't something I want anyway!

If I've made a compilation, thats under "Various Artists"

No it didn't. When the max file error was present, browsing at certain (random) folders got me a "no playable files" message even though there were files in there.

My structure is a bit different. I have a very versatile database so artist folders would never work (must be some thousands). Instead I am organizing everything by Genre > style > albums or single tracks. It doesn't get that long like that so I doubt it's the structure to blame but I will be able to rule out some suspects soon.
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: fredgroves on 07 December 2017, 21:05
Hmm sounds like even folder view is actually derived from the database and not the raw file system. Actually that's definitely the case because sometimes when I've added stuff to the card it doesn't appear and you have to reset the database to make it work...
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: CHB100 on 07 December 2017, 23:07
I meant to say, even with the error message (which suggests the database has hit the max), if you just use "folder view" (and i am a bit old skool and use this rather than selecting by artist name etc), does it let you see all of your files?

I have a folder structure like:

artist name --->albums--->songs

So all of my Deep Purple albums are folders under Deep Purple etc

I am selling Deep Purple albums (vinyl) on eBay.Its what I do and have done for some years btw. For anyone of you chaps interested in that wonderful medium vinyl. Forum discount applies.
 :cool:

I only ever want to listen to whole albums, so this Ipod style crap isn't something I want anyway!

If I've made a compilation, thats under "Various Artists"
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: fredgroves on 08 December 2017, 09:21
I have loads of vinyl from back in the day. It was my first love :D

Sadly the best opportunity I have to enjoy music now is in my car and whilst I'm sure I could connect a deck up via some sort of Bluetooth input to the car, I think changing a record in the fast lane of the M1 might be frowned upon :D
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: Guzzle on 08 December 2017, 18:13
I have loads of vinyl from back in the day. It was my first love :D

Sadly the best opportunity I have to enjoy music now is in my car and whilst I'm sure I could connect a deck up via some sort of Bluetooth input to the car, I think changing a record in the fast lane of the M1 might be frowned upon :D

I dunno, I sometimes think that might be easier than navigating my ipod via the touchscreen  :laugh:
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 09 December 2017, 11:28
I have loads of vinyl from back in the day. It was my first love :D

Sadly the best opportunity I have to enjoy music now is in my car and whilst I'm sure I could connect a deck up via some sort of Bluetooth input to the car, I think changing a record in the fast lane of the M1 might be frowned upon :D

Not sure what it was like over here but back home in Ireland when the CD was taking off music shops were doing a deal that if you brought in your vinyl they would replace it with a CD

My brother started going around all the music shops collecting all the vinyl because they were just throwing it away. He kept saying that one day I won't be laughing at him for doing it, he was right. Some of the stuff he has is worth proper money now.
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: fredgroves on 09 December 2017, 15:49
It's a bit of a false market for vinyl really. Almost like bit coin. I kept mine because of emotional attachment, never about future values!
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 09 December 2017, 17:12
It's a bit of a false market for vinyl really. Almost like bit coin. I kept mine because of emotional attachment, never about future values!

I bought 4 bitcoins in 2014, it may well be a false market but I'm happy enough at the minute.
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: scanesare on 09 December 2017, 20:36
So I plugged in a USB flash with >3k files while I had the SD card in. I didn't get any error but the database showed only the USB drive's contents. I had to manually select the SD to access its own database so there is not one single database for all the media inserted, rather one db per media. So If the limit is around 11K files and I use two SD's of 10K each it will be fine although it won't practical at all having to switch media to access what you want all the time. Another negative feature (besides the low file limit). I will now start to gradually add files again to see if i hit the error with the same number of files as before.
Title: Re: Discover Pro files limit?
Post by: fredgroves on 10 December 2017, 11:40
Ok, good experiment.

I actually already use two SD cards. The second one has my audio books on it, which means that when I want to stop listening to the books, I can just swap the source to the other card and play music. That enables me to keep my place in the book. Very useful when the wife or daughter gets in the card and doesn't want to listen to 20 mins of the middle of a book they've never read :D

I don't think having your music split across two sources would be too much bother though would it? Just think of a way of making a logical split....Thrash Metal, Speed Metal and just Metal on SD1, Death Metal, Prog Metal, Power Metal, Black Metal and Nu Metal on SD2 :D

(keep it metal!)