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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Saint Steve on 21 September 2008, 19:08
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This January,
Dealers are taking orders nxt month for January delivery.
Std GTi confimed as the 211bhp TSI engine(maybe has the K03 turbo). Been to visit My local dealer today and he confirmed that GTi is on show at the Paris in October.
Maybe old news to some but just thought id pass this on for those that didnt :smiley:
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time for proper depreciation to set in :-(
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hmmm seems a bit odd to sell it with 211bhp... surely it should be better than the Ed30/Pirelli?
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Well it least its slower then its Mk5 last model predessescor, although it has the fancy suspention setup as the Scirroco, but what i do like the look of is the new smarter looking interia. He said that Vw reckon that each panel on the new Mk6 is different to the mk5 but in his opinion, it looks pretty much the same!.
Also confirmed whilst i was there that the R with the v6 engine is "no more" and wont be in the GTi R later in 2009, (around Sept). That will be the 2.0 fsi tuned to 270bhp with the K04 turbo.
He confimed that this image IS of the new GTi coming.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/gti6.jpg)
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hmmm seems a bit odd to sell it with 211bhp... surely it should be better than the Ed30/Pirelli?
Not nessasarly so lee, it maybe that 211bhp is a good balance for its new suspention setup?? and also the GTi R coming later wont sell as well if they put the Pirelli/Ed30 lump in.
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I will have to wait for the edition 35 :grin:
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Well it least its slower then its Mk5 last model predessescor, although it has the fancy suspention setup as the Scirroco, but what i do like the look of is the new smarter looking interia. He said that Vw reckon that each panel on the new Mk6 is different to the mk5 but in his opinion, it looks pretty much the same!.
Also confirmed whilst i was there that the R with the v6 engine is "no more" and wont be in the GTi R later in 2009, (around Sept). That will be the 2.0 fsi tuned to 270bhp.
He confimed that this image IS of the new GTi coming.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/gti6.jpg)
hmm, looks good, like the colour, mind the only real difference is the front
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i like, but im not even thinkin about changin mine.......yet!
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The interior looks the Biz, its gonna be hard to resist :sad:, just hope the Market starts to pick up before even contemplating trading up.
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time for proper depreciation to set in :-(
+1 :sad:
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waiting for the gti-r
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"time for proper depreciation to set in :-("
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good now ill be able to affored one!... i can see your point though, there will be loads more on the roads.
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"time for proper depreciation to set in :-("
:smiley:
good now ill be able to affored one!... i can see your point though, there will be loads more on the roads.
there won't be any more mk5s on the road than there is now !?
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"time for proper depreciation to set in :-("
:smiley:
good now ill be able to affored one!... i can see your point though, there will be loads more on the roads.
what you currently rollin in then Valleyboy?
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"time for proper depreciation to set in :-("
:smiley:
good now ill be able to affored one!... i can see your point though, there will be loads more on the roads.
there won't be any more mk5s on the road than there is now !?
Yes the Mk5 production has seized, only a couple of models are available, and also confimed Major delay on Mfd3 sat navs!. Once Availabilty is back up and running then, he said prices will fall once their isnt this shortage and why the demand such a high price brought independantly from places like ebay etc.
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Well atleast I can say I had one of the last R32's.... but its a damn shame they are dropping the V6 from the line up!!
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waiting for the gti-r
Same here. And its going to be remapped :smug:
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Good work Phil!
I like the new one but would def have the GTI-R, don't feel theres enough improvement with the standard 211PS machine. Not yet sure about the new grill, seems there isn't enough space between the top and bottom of the red piping, unless they do what they did in the mk5 and have it at just the bottom of the grill, otherwise it looks too close together!?
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Talking of the new 2.0Ltr TSI engine, Audi have it in the new A4.
Very good spec's
211 PS (4300 - 6000rpm)
350 Nm
155 Mph top speed
6.9 Sec's 0-60
For a car that weighs 1435Kg's
31.4 mpg Urban on 95 RON petrol
and best of all 154g/km emmission
puts that in band G £150....
Confirmed as a K03 turbo
Not bad at all IMO....
Martininwillerby
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If its out in January I think i will wait at least 6month myself after launch and let the enthusiastc idiots pay list and iron out any design faults. This also gets winter over with. Then when the GTI-R is nearer its launch and demand for the GTI falls it will give me a better chance of getting a deal on a new or slightly used one. :evil:
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Do we really believe the GTI will be in the line up come the launch of the MK6? It took a full year before the GTI appeared as a MK5. Mind you I wouldn't mind, there should then be plenty of decent second hand MK5s for me to take my pick of on the market!
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Do we really believe the GTI will be in the line up come the launch of the MK6? It took a full year before the GTI appeared as a MK5. Mind you I wouldn't mind, there should then be plenty of decent second hand MK5s for me to take my pick of on the market!
Its on show in paris next month.
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Why not it did with the mk2, mk3, mk4, with the mk5 iirc they were waiting for the engine.
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Do we really believe the GTI will be in the line up come the launch of the MK6? It took a full year before the GTI appeared as a MK5. Mind you I wouldn't mind, there should then be plenty of decent second hand MK5s for me to take my pick of on the market!
Its on show in paris next month.
Anyone want to go to the show?
17th to 19th Oct would be the weekend for me :cool:
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Do we really believe the GTI will be in the line up come the launch of the MK6? It took a full year before the GTI appeared as a MK5. Mind you I wouldn't mind, there should then be plenty of decent second hand MK5s for me to take my pick of on the market!
Its on show in paris next month.
Anyone want to go to the show?
17th to 19th Oct would be the weekend for me :cool:
So Hurdy your looking for a weekend away in paris with a few hairy men. :kiss:
I know New golf is going. :grin:
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Do we really believe the GTI will be in the line up come the launch of the MK6? It took a full year before the GTI appeared as a MK5. Mind you I wouldn't mind, there should then be plenty of decent second hand MK5s for me to take my pick of on the market!
Its on show in paris next month.
Anyone want to go to the show?
17th to 19th Oct would be the weekend for me :cool:
So Hurdy your looking for a weekend away in paris with a few hairy men. :kiss:
I know New golf is going. :grin:
How do you know Newgolf is hairy? :shocked:
Something you aren't telling us?
Want to come out share? :wink:
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Do we really believe the GTI will be in the line up come the launch of the MK6? It took a full year before the GTI appeared as a MK5. Mind you I wouldn't mind, there should then be plenty of decent second hand MK5s for me to take my pick of on the market!
Its on show in paris next month.
Anyone want to go to the show?
17th to 19th Oct would be the weekend for me :cool:
Umm it's very temping, just checked Eurotunnel and it's only £54 to take the car and tickets for the show are €12.
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Do we really believe the GTI will be in the line up come the launch of the MK6? It took a full year before the GTI appeared as a MK5. Mind you I wouldn't mind, there should then be plenty of decent second hand MK5s for me to take my pick of on the market!
Its on show in paris next month.
Anyone want to go to the show?
17th to 19th Oct would be the weekend for me :cool:
Umm it's very temping, just checked Eurotunnel and it's only £54 to take the car and tickets for the show are €12.
Didn't see the price, but that is only about £10 - you'd pay that in the NEC carpark before entry in the UK (when the Motorshow was at the NEC :cry:)
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Didn't see the price, but that is only about £10 - you'd pay that in the NEC carpark before entry in the UK (when the Motorshow was at the NEC :cry:)
Exactly, sounds like the French have finally got something right :laugh:
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waiting for the gti-r
Same here. And its going to be remapped :smug:
And the point of GTI-R? There is already S3. New GTI-R will cost like R32 and the diff to S3 will be covered by the brand name and a better build quality of S3 (VW improves, but Audi does not stay on place either).
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waiting for the gti-r
Same here. And its going to be remapped :smug:
And the point of GTI-R? There is already S3. New GTI-R will cost like R32 and the diff to S3 will be covered by the brand name and a better build quality of S3 (VW improves, but Audi does not stay on place either).
S3 is Audi, GTi r will be VW !!???
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waiting for the gti-r
Same here. And its going to be remapped :smug:
And the point of GTI-R? There is already S3. New GTI-R will cost like R32 and the diff to S3 will be covered by the brand name and a better build quality of S3 (VW improves, but Audi does not stay on place either).
S3 is Audi, GTi r will be VW !!???
same company, same parts bin (including the engine)
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LOL I never knew they owned Audi :rolleyes: , so they should just close VW and for that matter Skoda and Seat too
waiting for the gti-r
Same here. And its going to be remapped :smug:
And the point of GTI-R? There is already S3. New GTI-R will cost like R32 and the diff to S3 will be covered by the brand name and a better build quality of S3 (VW improves, but Audi does not stay on place either).
S3 is Audi, GTi r will be VW !!???
same company, same parts bin (including the engine)
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Why say its slower than a mk5 GTi?
It has more bhp/PS and a lot more torque?
I think its a good step forward IMO, and the lower tax band and better mpg makes much more sense today.
My only gripes with the mk6 as per everyone else is the rear lights, which we have been told will be different on the GTi and the reocurring images showing that red banding around the top grill as per the W12, its just too much red IMO.
Anyhow this car looks promising and more exicting than the Rocco GT. Although a Rocco GTi might be e better bet, if not at least to get rid of that 4x4 wheel arch look.
Looking forward to Paris Show.
Dave
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Do we really believe the GTI will be in the line up come the launch of the MK6? It took a full year before the GTI appeared as a MK5. Mind you I wouldn't mind, there should then be plenty of decent second hand MK5s for me to take my pick of on the market!
Its on show in paris next month.
Anyone want to go to the show?
17th to 19th Oct would be the weekend for me :cool:
So Hurdy your looking for a weekend away in paris with a few hairy men. :kiss:
I know New golf is going. :grin:
OI TC :rolleyes:
Whats for tea? LOL! :laugh:
Oh and will the GTI-R will be a 4 door?
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Im sure the GTi R will demand R32 Money which could be too much for what it is. It may make more sense to get the Standard one coming with less emmisions and better on fuel. :undecided:
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are most of you peeps seriously thinkin bout swappin in? im not convinced on the standard model i prefer my gas guzzlin mk5! does anyone know what knind of money the GTI-R is going to be brand new? must be close to 30K for a good spec!
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are most of you peeps seriously thinkin bout swappin in? im not convinced on the standard model i prefer my gas guzzlin mk5! does anyone know what knind of money the GTI-R is going to be brand new? must be close to 30K for a good spec!
do we know they are really doing one ?, and what the real spec is ?, (link please if you have one) if its just a power upgrade i would expect an edition 30 type price hike ?
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sorry blue no link or anything, speculation at the mo i think, just interested i am. agree on the price hike though! its VW so its not goin to be cheap
e.g. set of mudguards from my stealers 60 of your finest! thats crazy!
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http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/VW-Golf-GTI-and-future-models-revealed/?content-block=0
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are most of you peeps seriously thinkin bout swappin in? im not convinced on the standard model i prefer my gas guzzlin mk5! does anyone know what knind of money the GTI-R is going to be brand new? must be close to 30K for a good spec!
do we know they are really doing one ?, and what the real spec is ?, (link please if you have one) if its just a power upgrade i would expect an edition 30 type price hike ?
I bet GTI-R will cost R32 money. Because it replaces R32.
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Im saving up for the GTi-R!
I think the new shape doesnt look that bad. I actually like it :kiss:
£25,000 isnt bad for a car that is 275Bhp and i expect a remap will take it well over 300bhp :evil:
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but for £25k, you will get just a basic no bells version. Think about it, if you want xenons ,sat nav, multiwheel and no doubt arm rest, your talking nearly 29-30k!!.
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Im shocked its coming out so soon :laugh: makes sense though with them removing the mk5 gti from the website.
what about the poor buggers who are still waiting for the delivery of their mk5 gti's ( 5 month wait guy) id be cancelling that straight away, would much rather wait another another 5 months to have one of them, they look :cool:
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GTI R! music to my ears,, I missed out on the ED30 because I discovered this forum too late, I wont be making the same mistake twice, long wait before my lease is up though..
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Im shocked its coming out so soon :laugh: makes sense though with them removing the mk5 gti from the website.
what about the poor buggers who are still waiting for the delivery of their mk5 gti's ( 5 month wait guy) id be cancelling that straight away, would much rather wait another another 5 months to have one of them, they look :cool:
+1
cancel right away!
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My dealer has just rang me,inviting me down to look at the Scirocco.I asked him when the launch date is for the MKVI.He said Jan 09 but unsure of the spec,probably GT mode.
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This is getting a little confusing... From what I have read there will be a Gti version as normal (211bhp). So where does this info about a GTi-R come from??? Im quite sure this rumour just started from what we all would have liked VW to do...
Now its developed into us waiting for a full GTi-R version??? Surely if this rumour is true.. VW will limit the number of people buying Gti's as everyone will wait for the GTi-R!!
And I certainly wouldnt expect it to have 275bhp.. that puts it in the S3 category.. which is a VW no no! :undecided:
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I cant see the gti r happening. It may be done but in very limited numbers. I can see the scirocco having an R version or something along those lines.
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This is getting a little confusing... From what I have read there will be a Gti version as normal (211bhp). So where does this info about a GTi-R come from??? Im quite sure this rumour just started from what we all would have liked VW to do...
Now its developed into us waiting for a full GTi-R version??? Surely if this rumour is true.. VW will limit the number of people buying Gti's as everyone will wait for the GTi-R!!
And I certainly wouldnt expect it to have 275bhp.. that puts it in the S3 category.. which is a VW no no! :undecided:
The reason why it will happen is obviously down to the omission police, you have only got look at the audi TT to know that is the market direction.
It is a replacement for the V6 lump, a compromise, as for everybody hanging on for one, well i dont think that is the case the main bulk of TT drivers are not swapping for the TTRS. What you have to remember is everyone on here is a enthusiast and we all know that the turbo engine with the 4 wheel drive is a great combo.
As for the power it stands to reason that it will come in about 15 - 20 horsepower down on the S3. IMO :smiley:
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If its 15-20 bhp down on the S3 then we are looking at 240-250bhp anyway. I know many of you may not agree but I still feel there is a R36 Golf in the pipeline somewhere... why bring out the R36 if they plan to kill off an engine??
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^^^ Yes id be down dealers tomorow with a deposit
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I seriously doubt there will be R36.
And why did they release R36 Passat? :undecided: Who is buying them at that price? :undecided:
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If the price of the r36 passat estate is cheap as chips nxt year, what a bargain that would be. i certainly wouldnt say no to another estate but a dam fast one!
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Both AutoExpress and Autocar have tested the Mk6. They concluded that the steering feel and road sense of the Mk6 was worse than the Mk5 in the version they tested. They concluded the ride had gone executive. This does not bode well for the Mk6 Gti...
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I seriously doubt there will be R36.
And why did they release R36 Passat? :undecided: Who is buying them at that price? :undecided:
So why develop a 3.6ltr engine stick it in a passat that hardly anyone will buy and then throw it in a scrap heap???
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I seriously doubt there will be R36.
And why did they release R36 Passat? :undecided: Who is buying them at that price? :undecided:
So why develop a 3.6ltr engine stick it in a passat that hardly anyone will buy and then throw it in a scrap heap???
Even the bigwigs at VW make mistakes :wink:
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http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/22/next-vw-gti-puts-out-210-hp-r-version-gets-awd-and-270-hp/
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I seriously doubt there will be R36.
And why did they release R36 Passat? :undecided: Who is buying them at that price? :undecided:
So why develop a 3.6ltr engine stick it in a passat that hardly anyone will buy and then throw it in a scrap heap???
Even the bigwigs at VW make mistakes :wink:
I agree!! Lets hope they make a R36 and give it the power it deserves...
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http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/22/next-vw-gti-puts-out-210-hp-r-version-gets-awd-and-270-hp/
I presume the dates being quoted are for the German/Left Hand drive euro market release and we will be a few months behind???
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http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/22/next-vw-gti-puts-out-210-hp-r-version-gets-awd-and-270-hp/
Doesnt say what engine the 270hp engine has :undecided:
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it'll be a k04 2.0.. why cant they nick the vnt technology from the 911 :sad:
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it'll be a k04 2.0.. why cant they nick the vnt technology from the 911 :sad:
Thats CRAP!! They should know that if you want economy you will buy a bluemotion!!
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Christ, just found this thread - I've just put a deposit on a 57plate 2008 Black 3dr MKV Gti.
Thing is I don't want to pay more than the £15k I'm spending, so wouldn't buy a new one any way.
I can cancel as the deposit is subject to seeing the car, and I don't want to buy a lead weight, but I do want a Golf GTi.
What to do? :(
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Christ, just found this thread - I've just put a deposit on a 57plate 2008 Black 3dr MKV Gti.
Thing is I don't want to pay more than the £15k I'm spending, so wouldn't buy a new one any way.
I can cancel as the deposit is subject to seeing the car, and I don't want to buy a lead weight, but I do want a Golf GTi.
What to do? :(
If your not looking to buy new and aren't planning to off load the MK5 within the next few months then I would still go ahead.
Like any car it's going to lose money but least your doing it in a car you can really enjoy. :smiley:
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Both AutoExpress and Autocar have tested the Mk6. They concluded that the steering feel and road sense of the Mk6 was worse than the Mk5 in the version they tested. They concluded the ride had gone executive. This does not bode well for the Mk6 Gti...
Please take note that they tested SE spec cars. What do people expect from SE spec? I know what i expect, exactly what they got. Current mk5 has GT specs and mostly sporty spec models rather than lux specs there not comparing apples to apples. Typical of jounos.
Most other importers in other countrys are quoting June for the GTI. So looks like we may get it first if this is true.
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I'm either a bit out of touch (which worries me) or your dealer is getting a bit carried away with himself.
The information given to dealers by VWUK is that the GTI6 will be UK launched in summer 09. There is no official information on what it will be although we should assume (words of Volkswagen UKs supply team) that it will be the 2.0 TSI 240ps variant based on the R32 carrying the 270ps 2.0 TSI.
The AutoBild/Week picture earlier in this thread probably bears little resemblance to the GTI6. Anyone who can be bothered to trawl google images will come accross the same chap "driving" about a dozen "new" Vw's and he's obviously so into his job that he never changes his jumper. That definately isn't a genuine image of the car. Your dealer is clearly involved with high people if he knows differently. I'm driving the mark6 later this week in Germany and I'll be lucky to see an SE model!
What is for sure is that VW have learnt from the success of the 5 and flop of the 4. The GTI6 should be stunning in every way - i'm hoping it will be good enough to prise me from my Scirocco...
VWmd
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Good to hear a dealers view... so I take it as a definate that the 3.2 will be killed off??
May as well call the .:R verion the .:R20 turbo :sick:
If that is the case then I shall definately be holding onto my R now. It has probably lost the most of its value and will probably now hold with no more being made.
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I went to look at a Pirelli GTi at the weekend. But reading this, i think i should probably wait until late this year before i decide what to do.
The Dealer did tell me not to expect the GTI MK6 until late next year.
I think i'll keep my cash in my pocket for now.
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yeh I really wouldn't want to be spending 20k + on a mk5 at this point
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The info that VW have 'killed off' the R32 and 3.2 V6 has been known for some time.
The Mk6 GTI is expected to be at Paris Show soon in some form or another - Concept or example.
Don't hold your breath about a future "GTI-R AWD". Remember all the rumours about how certain the R36 Golf was going to be? It's all very logical to us enthusiasts but not necessarily logical or desirable to VW.
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^Not everyone followed the R36 rumour some of us were a lone voice and knew better. :wink:
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official pics in todays autocar
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official pics in todays autocar
....Right! I'm off out to WHSmiths Public Library! I might even buy a copy of the mag!
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Bought Autocar today, not impressed I'm afraid, rear lights just don't work, interior looks like a mish mash from the Audi parts bin. Rear spoiler looks like a big lump of plastic stuck on the back.
I like the wheels though :grin:
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Scan it in!
Nick
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yes im loving that dashboard, all except the Vauxhall esk Vxr streering wheel :sick: :sick:.
Very W12 looking and the picture i posted WAS correct after all. They say spring release in one mag and the other summer 09, so means it
will be january then! :laugh:
207bhp, 10 more then before, same torque and performance figures as before. Agree with the black inner Monza II's.
Maybe id just like a Mk6 GTi in white nxt :wink:
Both also say R later in 2009 aswell to confirm rumours
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pics anybody :sad: :sad:
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pics anybody :sad: :sad:
Nothing worth getting really excited about - they've even kept the same alloys! And exhaust pipes a la Mk4 R32 style... whoopy do!
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At work at the mo, I'll scan it when I get home if nobody beats me
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and in auto express
XDS Electronic Limited Slip Diff too :cool: (I guess thats similar to the new cooper s type)
wonder if it retro fits to the MkV ? :tongue:
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I've just seen both Autocar and AutoExpress in WHSmiths Public Library - Not enough info to warrant buying the mags. 3-door white pictured.
It's very much as the latest rumoured pics - Scirocco style front and interior dashboard. Good to see the tartan cloth back! Nasty cheap looking steering wheel with too much fussy silver bits (too Audi). BBS White Worm Edition 18's but with black inserts rather than grey. Rear looks very Mk4-ish.
Ed30 engine, Scirocco suspension setup, VW electronic LSD (think I prefer the reliability of my Quaife). I think I read it's also got ADC - Adaptive Distance Control - Yuk!! No increase in 0-62 or top speed unless you count 2 mph.
I'm sure it will look better in the flesh and in other colours than white - The Mk5 looks better in white than the Mk6 imo.
Although both mags mention a future 'GTI-R' AWD, I'm not at all sure it will happen (unfortunately).
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Here you go all...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/darrensen/main.jpg)
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and in auto express
XDS Electronic Limited Slip Diff too :cool: (I guess thats similar to the new cooper s type)
wonder if it retro fits to the MkV ? :tongue:
....My Mk5 is in pieces as we 'speak' - Having a modified Quaife ATB diff installed. I think I will be happier with it than something else electronic but I'm fascinated to find out more about how the XDS diff works.
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Any clues on the pricing in comparison to the 'rocco ?
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i like that and i do like the R32 style pipes but would i swap mine for it :undecided: maybe not
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Are they official pics :huh: i cant believe they are going to keep the monza II
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I have to agree. The Monza 2 look awesome but why after losing so much money on refurbs and replacements due to whiteworm etc would they keep it in the range? And besides that. Surely the MK6 will need something to set it apart?
Mike
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I like it a lot!
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I have to agree. The Monza 2 look awesome but why after losing so much money on refurbs and replacements due to whiteworm etc would they keep it in the range? And besides that. Surely the MK6 will need something to set it apart?
I would imagine there is a huge stockpile of them (the model was originally intended a further 2 years production) and they'll do some sort of 'facelift' version halfway through the lifespan with updated wheels and some other stick-on bits/engine revisions when they run out of monzas.
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Sorta like a Pirelli Edition?
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Don't know.. i have a feeling they'll exploit the 33 year anniversary of the car rather than wait for the 35th, just because Model 33 is "hip and funky" to ze germans. Anywho once they hit the showrooms they could be on different wheels completely.. perhaps they didn't want to give away too much of the styling for the press stuff
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Sorta like a Pirelli Edition?
....Well, I still prefer my RedRobin Edition :grin:
But I'll be very interested to see how the Mk6 GTI drives when my dealer has one.
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and in auto express
XDS Electronic Limited Slip Diff too :cool: (I guess thats similar to the new cooper s type)
wonder if it retro fits to the MkV ? :tongue:
....My Mk5 is in pieces as we 'speak' - Having a modified Quaife ATB diff installed. I think I will be happier with it than something else electronic but I'm fascinated to find out more about how the XDS diff works.
I think it just electronically reduces the power going to the wheel losing traction?
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Isnt that ESP?
And I think that the rims will make the new GTi much like I feel they make the Rocco.
I think we will see the official rims when it is unveiled in Paris.
Mike
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Thats reduces power to both wheels i think!
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How would that help if both wheels have lost traction? :undecided:
I am probably wrong though :lipsrsealed:
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Its more for straight line where as the electronic LSD will help with cornering!
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Well electronic LSD would help with traction in general and not just cornering...
Mike
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Potentially yes as it would allow the wheel with traction to continue to have power until the other wheel gained more!
Either that or its complete magic and they simply got Paul Daniel's to help make the car? :shocked:
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....As far as I can understand it (I'll know more after my session with VWR at Bruntingthorpe on Friday), if the Mk6 LSD system is electronic or uses the ESP, there is a likelihood that the ESP will think for you and not always make the desired choice or as quickly as you want it. Whereas the Quaife system is more reactive to the physical state.
However, I don't know and am guessing at the present time.
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Sounds like VW is creating a car that follows on BMW's principal of build a car. Then make the car work with computers.... :angry:
How will this limit the modifications though?
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Just another electric gizmo to further numb the experience of driving a car. How can it be a rewarding driving experience when all you have to do is push and point.
Just another button for me to press before I drive the car.
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Sounds like VW is creating a car that follows on BMW's principal of build a car. Then make the car work with computers.... :angry:
How will this limit the modifications though?
....It depends which modifications. Easy for suspension - Just unplug the silly Comfort/Normal/Sport system and change the mechanicals as normal.
I assume one can toggle on/off the even more silly Adaptive Distance Control system. Hopefully you would like the built-in XDS diff - It's interesting that by its inclusion, VW have acknowledged traction issues on even the standard car.
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I assume one can toggle on/off the even more silly Adaptive Distance Control system. Hopefully you would like the built-in XDS diff - It's interesting that by its inclusion, VW have acknowledged traction issues on even the standard car.
Exactly, so either set the car up properly or give it a proper mechanical Limited slip diff. All this electro safety stuff drives me nuts :laugh:
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I am not saying it is not a good feature. But BMW were the first to create it and now VW have it. It just gives you that feeling that VW is moving away from a drivers car which is exacted what makes the MK5 special. It put the fun back into the GTi.
Surely much like the DSG can only take so much surely this system will only work up until a certain point? According to the articles I read it will stay on all the time unlike ESP which is only used when needed...
Mike
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Does this mean the MK5 price will plummet?
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Does this mean the MK5 price will plummet?
....I expect so. It means that my 06-build 05-plate Mk5 GTI with 53k miles is probably worth less than £10k - But I'm still loving mine and it's not for sale!
Do you fancy a 'previously owned' Mk5?
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The mini equivalent is getting good reviews at to how good it is at 'mimicking' a mechanical LSD
Ultimately though a mech LSD is far better. (but prob more expensive for a car manufacturer to fit?)
The R version should be :cool:
the wheels I agree are a copout, even though I like the ED30 wheels they are from the VW/Audi generic 'use up these parts' bin! seems they have even more Monzas to get rid off.
I suspect that will soon get changed about 1 yr in :smug:
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I think the styling at the front of the Mk5.5 I mean Mk6 is a dogs dinner compared to the clean "black bib" on the Mk5.
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I've just seen both Autocar and AutoExpress in WHSmiths Public Library - Not enough info to warrant buying the mags. 3-door white pictured.
It's very much as the latest rumoured pics - Scirocco style front and interior dashboard. Good to see the tartan cloth back! Nasty cheap looking steering wheel with too much fussy silver bits (too Audi). BBS White Worm Edition 18's but with black inserts rather than grey. Rear looks very Mk4-ish.
Ed30 engine, Scirocco suspension setup, VW electronic LSD (think I prefer the reliability of my Quaife). I think I read it's also got ADC - Adaptive Distance Control - Yuk!! No increase in 0-62 or top speed unless you count 2 mph.
I'm sure it will look better in the flesh and in other colours than white - The Mk5 looks better in white than the Mk6 imo.
Although both mags mention a future 'GTI-R' AWD, I'm not at all sure it will happen (unfortunately).
yep, Mk5 looks better in my opinion, too. Pity we did not have the LSD, though.
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Here you go all...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/darrensen/main.jpg)
gees... I don't like the piping either.
I am really into asymmetric double-shooters on the back, that is, like on GTI or on 135i.
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i like it, like the curves and the back end looks good very interesting!
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i like it, like the curves and the back end looks good very interesting!
Yep, mini-Touareg.
Thank you, but no thank you.
And that black diffusor, that is too much Seat. THank you but no thank you.
WHITE all the way!
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I like it. Looks great and probably goes great too!!
The new setup can only aid the sporting abilities... yet ensure its not too harsh for a daily commute. I know what you mean about another button you have to push before you drive but its better than having a harsh ride (Megane) or too soft a ride (A3). This means its can act in the manner you want it to.. a compromise i would say :smiley:
Now lets await the Daddy's appearance and reserve comments til then :grin:
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Yes! Im so glad it's not love at first sight! Still not liking those rear lights :sick:
I'd have thought they'd have changed the design of the Monza slightly? :huh:
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Im disapointed.especialy monza II's.love them on mark 5,but on anything else no for me.its like when people put them on mk ivs :sick:.just dont look natural.Im normaly one of those people who will want one of the first on the road,but their is nothing that makes me want to drop down from ed30.I think most with ed30 will wait for the R version.Maybe will grow on me and look better with real pics on road.
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£21750.if you add xenons, leather (estimate £800 and £1700 and if you buy in 2010 showroom tax £300.You are talking close to 25k.How much is the R going to be? You can shop around and get the face lift s3 now for 8% to 10% discount brand new with leather and xenons standard for around 25k.Vw are taking the pi$$ especially with those 5 year old alloys.
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£21750.if you add xenons, leather (estimate £800 and £1700 and if you buy in 2010 showroom tax £300.You are talking close to 25k.How much is the R going to be? You can shop around and get the face lift s3 now for 8% to 10% discount brand new with leather and xenons standard for around 25k.Vw are taking the pi$$ especially with those 5 year old alloys.
they do take a wee, don't they?
I bet GTIR (if it even comes) will cost pretty penny. But then Audi comes out with new S3, maybe with 3.oTFSI in it? :cool:
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I like it but more of a mark V.5 for me exterior wise. I've only had my GTI a few months, so wouldn't warrant a change for me (the day I see one in the flesh will probably change my mind though!).
I love Monza II's but would have thought these would be changed for the new release. Perhaps these pictures are not the final, final ones..
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The Monzas will probably change with a refresh a year or so after launch, I'd imagine VW are just shifting the old wheels.
No doubt 19inch wheels will be an option at some point. probably bigger Monza II's
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The Monzas will probably change with a refresh a year or so after launch, I'd imagine VW are just shifting the old wheels.
No doubt 19inch wheels will be an option at some point. probably bigger Monza II's
Now there's a thought
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/021.jpg)
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^^^^ ummmm that is just wheel porn :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Get off on this then. :grin:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/048__scaled_600_007.jpg)
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2 in one pic
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^^^ Very nice :drool:
TopCat with these wheel pictures you are really spoiling us (said in the style of the Ferrero Rocher advert) :grin: :grin:
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The Monzas will probably change with a refresh a year or so after launch, I'd imagine VW are just shifting the old wheels.
No doubt 19inch wheels will be an option at some point. probably bigger Monza II's
Now there's a thought
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/021.jpg)
that is sensational! That I'd like on my car!
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Get off on this then. :grin:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/020.jpg)
That would be a real head-turner on the streets!
But the engine in the back seat :shocked: that is just too much.
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^^^ Very nice :drool:
TopCat with these wheel picutres you are really spoiling us (said in the style of the Ferrero Rocher advert) :grin: :grin:
I believe you to be on the dodo juice again. :rolleyes:
That would be a real head-turner on the streets!
But the engine in the back seat shocked that is just too much.
i would rather have that engine on my back seats than the kids :huh: :grin:
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I believe you to be on the dodo juice again. :rolleyes:
Not me sir, it's just been a very very long day at work :sad:
That would be a real head-turner on the streets!
But the engine in the back seat :shocked: that is just too much.
So you would never consider a two seater???
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I believe you to be on the dodo juice again. :rolleyes:
Not me sir, it's just been a very very long day at work :sad:
That would be a real head-turner on the streets!
But the engine in the back seat :shocked: that is just too much.
So you would never consider a two seater???
I would, but I would like to be able to relax inside the cabin, instead of constantly hearing the engine roar and those coolers. Also, I would not want to fry by back and my neck. :smiley:
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The seat trim is not the much of a change.
I like the twin tail pipes.
The front looks good.
The engine is not as poweful as the ED30 but it has the adjustable dampers. However.........
After going for a test drive in a Scirocco last week, I noted the following points:-
Yes, the engine is a tad smoother that the ED30.
The ride is slightly smoother in Comfort mode, but the ED30 & GTI handle just as well. After a few weeks I would end up leaving it in Auto mode anyway.
BUT it felt underpowered. Well it did feel rapid. After the ED30, there was no rush of extra power at the top end. :evil:
Not a great argument for us Mk V owners to change really. :smiley:
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I believe you to be on the dodo juice again. :rolleyes:
Not me sir, it's just been a very very long day at work :sad:
That would be a real head-turner on the streets!
But the engine in the back seat :shocked: that is just too much.
So you would never consider a two seater???
I would, but I would like to be able to relax inside the cabin, instead of constantly hearing the engine roar and those coolers. Also, I would not want to fry by back and my neck. :smiley:
Your a very positive chap aint you Peskarik!! :grin:
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greetings from the Netherlands
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more details;
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsGallery.aspx?AR=235119&EL=-1&IM=192875
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I wasnt overly keen on the MK6 until I saw those pics of the GTI, I really like that! Again, I think colour choice makes the car and white is hitting all the right buttons for me! :cool:
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I just had a sex wee.... :lipsrsealed:
The relevent emails have been sent to the father and VW SA. :evil:
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Those new pics I am liking ALOT! The steering wheel looks sexual and those front lights look mean as.
Nick
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(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/ronzuid/golf-gti-6.jpg)
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It's good that they have moved the bottle opener to the steering wheel.
Less chance of spilling the Brown Ale.
....^^ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Brilliant!
I hate that Mk6 steering wheel - Just bling'd up with silver bits!
I love the new cloth seats though.
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is it me or does the steering wheel centre look like it came out of the astra
http://www.carpages.co.uk/vauxhall/vauxhall-astra-twintop-review-part-5-27-06-07.asp
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is it me or does the steering wheel centre look like it came out of the astra
http://www.carpages.co.uk/vauxhall/vauxhall-astra-twintop-review-part-5-27-06-07.asp
Nearly threw up there!! True it does resemble the astra steering wheel a little but one thing about the astra is you dont have to pay for that stuff (not like you should pay for cackk anyway) but it is useful and has good functionality.
Remove the Bling as RR put it and the steering looks very nice. One thing that origianlly attracted me to the Golf's over the Audi!
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looks much better than the mk5, might have to have a look at the R later next year, that should should be a beast, cheaper version of the S3 i guess :cool:
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I still think they are missing a trick by not supplying recaro's as standard. :angry:
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My VW dealer has already told me I'm gonna be the very first to know when theirs is coming and also the first to test drive it.
I keep telling people here not to hold their breath for a R-version - It really is all just rumours and speculation at the moment - Never trust a journalist!
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I still think they are missing a trick by not supplying recaro's as standard. :angry:
....200% agreed! But are they even an option on the Mk6 GTI?
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I still think they are missing a trick by not supplying recaro's as standard. :angry:
....200% agreed! But are they even an option on the Mk6 GTI?
I'd guess that they would make them an option...otherwise they are missing 2 tricks....and the second would make them loads of money!
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I like those pics quite a lot... I may be in the minority, but I'm not all that keen on the Scirocco at all, I much prefer those pics to anything I've seen of the Scirocco.
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I like those pics quite a lot... I may be in the minority, but I'm not all that keen on the Scirocco at all, I much prefer those pics to anything I've seen of the Scirocco.
....I much prefer the Mk6 GTI (subject to seeing) to the Scirocco too. The 'Rocco looks long and bulbous in the flesh - Great from some angles and horrible from others.
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I keep telling people here not to hold their breath for a R-version - It really is all just rumours and speculation at the moment - Never trust a journalist!
No it isn't - check out the last sentence of the following AE article:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/228492/golf-gti-turns-up-heat.html
"And if 207bhp isn’t enough for you, VW has confirmed a high-performance Golf R is also on the way."
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I keep telling people here not to hold their breath for a R-version - It really is all just rumours and speculation at the moment - Never trust a journalist!
No it isn't - check out the last sentence of the following AE article:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/228492/golf-gti-turns-up-heat.html
"And if 207bhp isn’t enough for you, VW has confirmed a high-performance Golf R is also on the way."
....And who has written that? - A magazine journalist.
I hope I'm wrong but just because you read it in a magazine doesn't mean it's so - It's NOT OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED BY VW in a published Press Release - Until it is, it's speculation.
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(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_566/car_photo_283428_25.jpg)
^This looks much better - The lower honeycombe grill looks better defined, though possibly due to lighting.
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yes im loving that dashboard, all except the Vauxhall esk Vxr streering wheel :sick: :sick:.
is it me or does the steering wheel centre look like it came out of the astra
Not just me that thinks the same.Not keen on that wheel. Im sure those brake lamps would look better tinted .I do like the New exhaust layout, looks much more Sporty imo.
And for those Practical Family owners, really need to see what the 5 door would shape up to be.
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I agree whay you say robin, look what happened with the iroc concept when that was 1st unveiled, and compare that too the released production version. Could change yet. When the 1st on arrives then we can speculate no longer.
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Even VW insiders who may know something, will keep their lips sealed. I pre-release test for Adobe and have to sign a 6-page anti-disclosure document. I know all sorts of things I'd love to share on this forum but have given my word not to make information public.
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Even VW insiders who may know something, will keep their lips sealed. I pre-release test for Adobe and have to sign a 6-page anti-disclosure document. I know all sorts of things I'd love to share on this forum but have given my word not to make information public.
I take it from that statement your in the SAS and killed 200 Argies in the Falklands. :grin: :grin: :grin:
Dont worry Red my lips are :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
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The whole exercise seems half-hearted, like you say more 5.5 than 6.
I really can’t get excited about this GTI, nor the Scirocco... maybe the GTI-R would float my boat.
Come up VW raise the bar!
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i think this should have been the mk5 and our mk5's being the new mk6. i think it looks more like a mk4 with the smaller front lights. i think the mk5 gti looks alot better than that, post a pic of the mk5 and mk6 next to each other, i think mk5 looks ALOT more aggressive and sportier. also it has mixed the slats and honeycombe together :sick: :sick:
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also i prefered the indicators in the headlights rather than lower in the bumper, just makes the front look messey :sad:
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(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_566/car_photo_283428_25.jpg)
^This looks much better - The lower honeycombe grill looks better defined, though possibly due to lighting.
looks much phatter than the mk5, looks more like the gti should :cool:
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^^^ crazy bloke
dont upset the mk4 peeps
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The Mk6 does look like an evolution of the Mk4's body rather than the Mk5. It's a Mk5.5 engine in a Mk4.5 body methinks.
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It has a lot of issues doesnt it? :wink:
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It's natural for Mk5 owners to be resistant - We're trying to find reasons not to want it and lose loads of money as you always do on a car change. On the other hand we are critical and so we should be about any new development.
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http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/228558/new-volkswagen-golf-gti.html
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I am not fond of the back lights a-la-Touareg, and exhausts-a-la-AUdi-and-many-others.
Otherwise it is good looking car.
Interior also looks smarter than in MkV. ANd they say the quality is much improved.
If I were considering a new GTI I'd buy Mk6. It makes all the sense.
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Not sure if this has been seen:
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/vortex_news/article_2505.shtml
Taken off VW Vortex.
Mike
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There's good news and bad news for Gulfstream11 :laugh: :grin:
Can you spot what I mean ? :grin: :grin:
(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_566/car_photo_283440_25.jpg)
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There's good news and bad news for Gulfstream11 :laugh: :grin:
Can you spot what I mean ? :grin: :grin:
(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_566/car_photo_283440_25.jpg)
Can you get black Alu inserts. :wink: :laugh:
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I have just received a text message off a certain forum regular who is at the Golf MK6 Launch in Germany and has just seen the MK6 GTI, needless to say he was blown away! :cool:
Unfortunately though, they wouldn't let him in with his camera phone! :sad:
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I want that steering wheel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Now we've got much better detailed photos to examine, I like it a lot more.
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Steering wheel is :sick:
Interior isnt bad - not much of a change really :lipsrsealed:
I like the new tail-pipe detail :cool:
I like the lights :cool:
Would i buy it? You bet i would!
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The interior reminds me of a Porsche Boxsters interior....
I think thats a good thing :wink:
Anyhoo. Cheers guys I am disapearing for a week. See ya at the start of next month.
Mike
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I have just received a text message off a certain forum regular who is at the Golf MK6 Launch in Germany and has just seen the MK6 GTI, needless to say he was blown away! :cool:
Unfortunately though, they wouldn't let him in with his camera phone! :sad:
and who is this person???
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I have just received a text message off a certain forum regular who is at the Golf MK6 Launch in Germany and has just seen the MK6 GTI, needless to say he was blown away! :cool:
Unfortunately though, they wouldn't let him in with his camera phone! :sad:
and who is this person???
Greenouse! :wink:
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The interior looks very similar to the Passat CC I drove recently. The quality is a bit better, but I didn't think it looked quite as well laid out.
For example, the lights switch feels solid and not hollow and has a nice chrome effect trim; the heater controls feel nicer, but it's hard to see what temp you've set.
My main complaint is that the dials don't light up blue :cry:, so I don't want one!
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I have just received a text message off a certain forum regular who is at the Golf MK6 Launch in Germany and has just seen the MK6 GTI, needless to say he was blown away! :cool:
Unfortunately though, they wouldn't let him in with his camera phone! :sad:
and who is this person???
Greenouse! :wink:
i wondered why he was very quiet, lucky bugger!
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It looks plain awesome in that gallery on Vortex.
nick
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Nooooooooooo, is it me or do the rear lights look like the same ones as on the tiguan?
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Nooooooooooo, is it me or do the rear lights look like the same ones as on the tiguan?
I thought they looked similar to the Toureg and that is the only part of the car im struggling with but other than that its awesome! :cool:
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It looks plain awesome in that gallery on Vortex.
Agreed
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Blimey go away for a month or 2, you account gets deleted and you lot are going crazy over the mk6 !! LOL :laugh:
The mk6 was made because the mk5 is costing VW to much money to make ! The mk5 is over engineered !!!!
Look at the new Air con in the mk6 its a sh!ttier version than the mk5s dual climate. The suspension and chassis and body has been engineered down to reduce costs.
The Mk5 takes 37 hours to make, this new car takes 22 hours , WHY ??? because the oompa loompas are on speed ? NO !
Also this mk6 looks crap, what are you lot on, the mk5's face is perfect i love that grill !!
i'll take Redrobins, Hurdys, Bens golf all day long over the weaksauce that is mk6 , that is all !
Mk5 is a lovely looking car if it aint broke, then mod it, but for f**ks sake dont think of making a cheaper version with a ugly face.
Ps its good to be back !
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Nice to have you back E30M3!!, we had a major server crash which lost 2 months of data, hense why your account vanished.
Good points you have made there.Especially build times, built in half the time can only mean half the detail.I look foward to when 1st drives
start to appear about it.
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Cheers Phil was missing this place !! :kiss:
you've become a mod :cool:
Yeah i will reserve about the way it drives till well i drive it !!!
The looks however are really not doing it for me , it looks like an aesthetic mess, like something Bangle would do after dropping a few too many Smarties!!!
The mk5 is such a clean and beautiful design ! :smiley:
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^You're right, Egbert - It looks very Mk4 in general stance.
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Cheers Phil was missing this place !! :kiss:
you've become a mod :cool:
Yeah i will reserve about the way it drives till well i drive it !!!
The looks however are really not doing it for me , it looks like an aesthetic mess, like something Bangle would do after dropping a few too many Smarties!!!
The mk5 is such a clean and beautiful design ! :smiley:
nice to have you back mate
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Looking at those pics again and I do like it - which brings me to my point, it really is just a Mk5 facelift to bring it in line with the VW cost cutting exercise.
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Im staggered theyve stuck with the Monza II's :huh:
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Im staggered theyve stuck with the Monza II's :huh:
Yup, all they have done is painted the inners in black instead of grey, added a few interior bits and the nose from the Scirocco.
You can tell they have been influenced by the Porsche school of lazy development :grin: :laugh:
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I think it's ok but nothing special. I don't think the inside looks any better (a bit worse maybe). I don't like the steering wheel and there's not enough storage room in the doors.
I quite like the rear bumper though and the exhaust.
If it's cheaper to make then why is it going to be more expensive to buy? Are the savings not going to be passed onto us?
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It is growing on me quite a lot.I just went to put me ed30 on the trader but i just keep thinking same car less power.Ed30 owners may aswell wait for the so called R version.I read yesterday on a german site its rumoured to have 280 ps
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I think that some things will change, it's just i study say's volkswagen.nl
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It is growing on me quite a lot.I just went to put me ed30 on the trader but i just keep thinking same car less power.Ed30 owners may aswell wait for the so called R version.I read yesterday on a german site its rumoured to have 280 ps
I thought the MK6 Gti had the Ed30 engine?
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Im staggered theyve stuck with the Monza II's :huh:
Yup, all they have done is painted the inners in black instead of grey, added a few interior bits and the nose from the Scirocco.
You can tell they have been influenced by the Porsche school of lazy development :grin: :laugh:
I was thinking more of the fact they must have had about 50% of the current crop back!
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It is growing on me quite a lot.I just went to put me ed30 on the trader but i just keep thinking same car less power.Ed30 owners may aswell wait for the so called R version.I read yesterday on a german site its rumoured to have 280 ps
I thought the MK6 Gti had the Ed30 engine?
No the launch version is just using this new engine with about 10 bhp extra, but lower emissions. :smiley:
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Its a shame that they have done away the blue dash lights, I wonder if it was because its cheaper with white lights or the fact that blue light in general is bad for your eyes.
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All the European car manufacturers are under pressure to produce cars with lower emissions. It's a gradual evolution and I expect we'll see engine revisions and new model versions more often than in previous years. In other words, the version life cycles of many cars will shorten - The Mk7 will follow relatively sooner than in previous times. But I hope this won't effect the quality of build and longevity of the car.
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Its a shame that they have done away the blue dash lights, I wonder if it was because its cheaper with white lights or the fact that blue light in general is bad for your eyes.
....I didn't know that. I assume it's only if you stare at it. What does blue light do to your eyes? :cool:
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Blue light maybe not great when looking directly at the bulb but as a backlight it perfectly fine.
I had a Mk4 GTI when they were first released and at night everyone commented on how cool the blue lights were.
I must say though, when I had the Mk4 after say 3 years it did start to feel old, same with the Mk1 Leon cupra but with the Mk5 it seems they did a great job, I dont think it has aged much at all, still feels modern, has all the toys etc.
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Does this mean the MK5 price will plummet?
....I expect so. It means that my 06-build 05-plate Mk5 GTI with 53k miles is probably worth less than £10k - But I'm still loving mine and it's not for sale!
Do you fancy a 'previously owned' Mk5?
In the future, I think a progression to the Mk5 will most likely take place. Previously owned also are certainly good options.
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Does this mean the MK5 price will plummet?
....I expect so. It means that my 06-build 05-plate Mk5 GTI with 53k miles is probably worth less than £10k - But I'm still loving mine and it's not for sale!
Do you fancy a 'previously owned' Mk5?
In the future, I think a progression to the Mk5 will most likely take place. Previously owned also are certainly good options.
....Horney has already expressed a possible interest in my Mk5 some time far into the future. Although it's heavily modified it's being very regularly serviced and already has some new parts which will extend its life. A modded car can be a very good buy if well loved and looked after.
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Im staggered theyve stuck with the Monza II's :huh:
Yup, all they have done is painted the inners in black instead of grey, added a few interior bits and the nose from the Scirocco.
You can tell they have been influenced by the Porsche school of lazy development :grin: :laugh:
maybe
but as long as the interior is not screech-rattle-n-shaking the way it does in Mk5, it is a huge progress.
I love my car, but those rattles really bring the feel of quality to the bottom!
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It is growing on me quite a lot.I just went to put me ed30 on the trader but i just keep thinking same car less power.Ed30 owners may aswell wait for the so called R version.I read yesterday on a german site its rumoured to have 280 ps
it is basically going to be S3 "made by VW", but without the top-notch interior
So there is not going to be a light, powerful FWD car after E30, seems like.
That makes E30 very special. (But damn damn those rattles!)
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Its a shame that they have done away the blue dash lights, I wonder if it was because its cheaper with white lights or the fact that blue light in general is bad for your eyes.
I agree!
Why did they do that? The blue lighting was great! Now it is cold white lights that we have in Audi and many other cars. Conformity rules.. :sick:
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Its a shame that they have done away the blue dash lights, I wonder if it was because its cheaper with white lights or the fact that blue light in general is bad for your eyes.
....I didn't know that. I assume it's only if you stare at it. What does blue light do to your eyes? :cool:
makes you relax too much and feel too comfy. We can't have that! Let's be like everyone else and use the cold white lighting instead, and save a few bucks! DIsgrace :sick:
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I think the Mk5 will age better than the Mk4 - well in fact like I said earlier its has ages better, will this effect price ... who knows.
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Its a shame that they have done away the blue dash lights, I wonder if it was because its cheaper with white lights or the fact that blue light in general is bad for your eyes.
....I didn't know that. I assume it's only if you stare at it. What does blue light do to your eyes? :cool:
Some shades of blue light can tire your eyes out quicker than white light. Personally I've never had any problems with the shade of blue used in the mk5, since it is nice and deep. It's not blinding but it's still very visible in the dark. Lighter or brighter shades of blue are harsh on the eyes in the dark though.
Personally I prefer the blue to the white. A friend of mine has a corolla with white dash lights, sometimes they are so white it's blinding so he turns them down, but then you can barely see the readout! Blue is the only way to go im :cool:.
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Its a shame that they have done away the blue dash lights, I wonder if it was because its cheaper with white lights or the fact that blue light in general is bad for your eyes.
....I didn't know that. I assume it's only if you stare at it. What does blue light do to your eyes? :cool:
I always get good comments on the blue dash lights as I think they look really good and set the interior off at night. As for the blue light I was at the opthalmology dept with my partner who's getting cancer treatment there and they where shinning a blue light into her eye, I just happened to ask the question why blue light!! He said it shows up certain things in the eye, most of it went over my head to be honest. He basically said prolonged exposure is not good for your eyes. And then I though about my GTI dash lights and why more car companys don't use it.
I come across this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-light_hazard
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Its a shame that they have done away the blue dash lights, I wonder if it was because its cheaper with white lights or the fact that blue light in general is bad for your eyes.
....I didn't know that. I assume it's only if you stare at it. What does blue light do to your eyes? :cool:
I always get good comments on the blue dash lights as I think they look really good and set the interior off at night. As for the blue light I was at the opthalmology dept with my partner who's getting cancer treatment there and they where shinning a blue light into her eye, I just happened to ask the question why blue light!! He said it shows up certain things in the eye, most of it went over my head to be honest. He basically said prolonged exposure is not good for your eyes. And then I though about my GTI dash lights and why more car companys don't use it.
I come across this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-light_hazard
yeah, only the blue light in GTI is not UV or short-wavelength high-energy light
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£21750.if you add xenons, leather (estimate £800 and £1700 and if you buy in 2010 showroom tax £300.You are talking close to 25k.How much is the R going to be? You can shop around and get the face lift s3 now for 8% to 10% discount brand new with leather and xenons standard for around 25k.Vw are taking the pi$$ especially with those 5 year old alloys.
Exactly my thinking. Some people will pay anything for a GTI i won't. I may have been a GTI fan since the mk1 first came out and Always owned a GTI since the late 80s but i refuse to be ripped off and to me that is the case with the mk6 they make it cheaper then the mk5 then charge more for it!
It may get more standard equipment but when its so much more expensive than the competition (and now cost the same to make!) and you can get so much more discount off rival brands it works out many thousands more expensive in the price you pay. A badge, VW should know is only worth so much its about time this country and many owners and future owners woke up to badge snobbery and see what other countries are doing, we pay far too much just for a badge. We are been ripped off BIG TIME by VW.
I as many know was looking forward to the mk6 and was someone who may have bought one BUT at this time im going to wait let the initial brainwashed idiots pay near list see how things start to go then either buy a slight used one, find a big discount on one OR buy a secondhand mk5 maybe an Ed30 instead to go with our current GTIs.
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Some more pics, apologies if these have allready been posted.
http://auto.t-online.de/c/16/30/98/44/16309844,pt=self,si=0,topic=12411686.html
looking good!
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£21750.if you add xenons, leather (estimate £800 and £1700 and if you buy in 2010 showroom tax £300.You are talking close to 25k.How much is the R going to be? You can shop around and get the face lift s3 now for 8% to 10% discount brand new with leather and xenons standard for around 25k.Vw are taking the pi$$ especially with those 5 year old alloys.
Exactly my thinking. Some people will pay anything for a GTI i won't. I may have been a GTI fan since the mk1 first came out and Always owned a GTI since the late 80s but i refuse to be ripped off and to me that is the case with the mk6 they make it cheaper then the mk5 then charge more for it!
It may get more standard equipment but when its so much more expensive than the competition (and now cost the same to make!) and you can get so much more discount off rival brands it works out many thousands more expensive in the price you pay. A badge, VW should know is only worth so much its about time this country and many owners and future owners woke up to badge snobbery and see what other countries are doing, we pay far too much just for a badge. We are been ripped off BIG TIME by VW.
I as many know was looking forward to the mk6 and was someone who may have bought one BUT at this time im going to wait let the initial brainwashed idiots pay near list see how things start to go then either buy a slight used one, find a big discount on one OR buy a secondhand mk5 maybe an Ed30 instead to go with our current GTIs.
VW... what badge snobbery?! :shocked:
If you said Audi, BMW, or Mercedes, I would have understood, but VW :undecided:
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Some more pics, apologies if these have allready been posted.
http://auto.t-online.de/c/16/30/98/44/16309844,pt=self,si=0,topic=12411686.html
looking good!
i agree it looks fab- love the backlit gear knob and new interior - nice to see the check cloth back too :cool:
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im gonna have to wait till it arrives in the flesh, also looking foward to Jeremy clarksons reaction when he gets his hands on it. He was My main reason wanting to go get a Mk5 GTi over all the other hot hatch's.
Some people think hes a loon, but he is genuinely a golf GTi Fan, These mags are very good at making things look really rosie, But its gonna have to be a real Leap foward to get me out of my ed30.
The Car is just fantastic to look at, and cant get tired enough ast just looking at it :smiley:
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im gonna have to wait till it arrives in the flesh, also looking foward to Jeremy clarksons reaction when he gets his hands on it. He was My main reason wanting to go get a Mk5 GTi over all the other hot hatch's.
Some people think hes a loon, but he is genuinely a golf GTi Fan, These mags are very good at making things look really rosie, But its gonna have to be a real Leap foward to get me out of my ed30.
The Car is just fantastic to look at, and cant get tired enough ast just looking at it :smiley:
Phil, what do you think of JC's dislike of Porsches?
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I agree, Rear engine in that car is oh so in the wrong place, should be in the middle. Its just a balistic Beetle
Ive never been draw towards Porsches :smiley:
sorry, i could never afford one, and if i could i wouldnt even entertain one
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jc's dislike for 911s is misplaced - the car is fantastic ... i had 2 964s and 4 993s :laugh:
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i just do like those cars, to me its the same car theyve produced in 30 odd years.
sorry if the 911 lovers think different. Im just one of a minority i guess.
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I like Porsches.
Phil - Yes, it's going to be really interesting to hear what JC has to say about the Mk6 GTI. Exactly like you, JC's review on TG was what had me making phone calls the next day!
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£21750.if you add xenons, leather (estimate £800 and £1700 and if you buy in 2010 showroom tax £300.You are talking close to 25k.How much is the R going to be? You can shop around and get the face lift s3 now for 8% to 10% discount brand new with leather and xenons standard for around 25k.Vw are taking the pi$$ especially with those 5 year old alloys.
Exactly my thinking. Some people will pay anything for a GTI i won't. I may have been a GTI fan since the mk1 first came out and Always owned a GTI since the late 80s but i refuse to be ripped off and to me that is the case with the mk6 they make it cheaper then the mk5 then charge more for it!
It may get more standard equipment but when its so much more expensive than the competition (and now cost the same to make!) and you can get so much more discount off rival brands it works out many thousands more expensive in the price you pay. A badge, VW should know is only worth so much its about time this country and many owners and future owners woke up to badge snobbery and see what other countries are doing, we pay far too much just for a badge. We are been ripped off BIG TIME by VW.
I as many know was looking forward to the mk6 and was someone who may have bought one BUT at this time im going to wait let the initial brainwashed idiots pay near list see how things start to go then either buy a slight used one, find a big discount on one OR buy a secondhand mk5 maybe an Ed30 instead to go with our current GTIs.
I totally agree with you. Also the way car sales are at the moment, I think you would have to be very stupid to pay the list price. I work for a big car company, making one of the best selling cars in Europe and we have gone to a 3 day week, so I imagine that VW must also be feeling the pinch and I have to say VW have not picked the best time to launch this new model.
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i know this year, vw have overtaken sales figures from Ford and Vauxhall according to one of the mags. Should be like you say interesting to see what dealers discount will be to help boost sales figures come release.
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What they will prob do with the GTI is
Big up the GTI heritage and brand, as well as play on the upmarket feel of the mk6 and VW brand.
Restrict supply to the dealers, call it a niche model in the dealers line up and so only guarantee the dealers ~3% margin and big/hype the model up in all the magazines to get the punters through the door. That way VW get more profit, dealers suffer and buyers get little if any discount. Everyone except VW looses.
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Well,....I think I'll have to just wait and see it in the flesh as to be quite honest,....not 100% that it's a big enough step forward, sure is more like a mk 5.5.
I'm also not sure on the black side skirt indent thingy, I prefer the set up we have on the mk5,...looks more aggresive. I think this makes it look like they've cut away a bit of the sides on the mk6,....?????
Also the splitting of the exhaust holes makes it look a bit weedy, they need to beef them up a bit.
As for the interior, well blue lights all the way for me!
The mk5 is such a great car and has won sooooooo many awards that it is bound to be a very hard act to follow!
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Also the way car sales are at the moment, I think you would have to be very stupid to pay the list price. I work for a big car company, making one of the best selling cars in Europe and we have gone to a 3 day week, so I imagine that VW must also be feeling the pinch and I have to say VW have not picked the best time to launch this new model.
....I'm not sure I agree with you, although it's not a good time for any car manufacturer. The Mk6 Golf might be attractive to those people wanting to size down but to still have the comparitive solidity of a German car. Besides, the program of bringing this car to market will have started to roll long ago.
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http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/25092008/36/t/vw-reveals-new-golf-gti-0.html
like the steering wheel.
exhaust is a bit funky? looks a lot more angry? lots more straight lines?
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http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/25092008/36/t/vw-reveals-new-golf-gti-0.html
Looks AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want one NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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As written in a previous post I had the pleasure of seeing the car in the flesh last week at the International launch of the MK6 Golf in Berlin.
It was in red and looked fantastic. I wasn't convinced at all having seen the pictures the previous day in the motoring press, but I've got to say the car has real presence in the flesh with it's muscular shoulder line and agressive nose. The rear light's look better suited to the GTI and the exhaust's are an improvement and will mark the car out from the rest of the Golf range.
Cheers,
Nathan
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What shade of red? - Tornado Red? Metallic Firespark Red? Dull Salsa Red? Special RedRobin Pink Red?
No pics?
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What shade of red? - Tornado Red? Metallic Firespark Red? Dull Salsa Red? Special RedRobin Pink Red?
No pics?
:afro:
Tornado by the looks of it. No pics, all mobiles removed before we went into the buliding, then had to walk through metal detectors!
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Nathan,
Any word on colours in general, same pallete as the Scirocco?
What about wheels, will we see 19's as an option?
Dave
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I assume one can toggle on/off the even more silly Adaptive Distance Control system. Hopefully you would like the built-in XDS diff - It's interesting that by its inclusion, VW have acknowledged traction issues on even the standard car.
Exactly, so either set the car up properly or give it a proper mechanical Limited slip diff. All this electro safety stuff drives me nuts :laugh:
As in a Torsen or Quaife? :wink:
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This car looks like the rubbish Mk4 GTI.
VW must think that people who would have bought the perfect Mk5 will now go and buy an Audi, but many will simply buy a BMW and be done with it. (Audi drivers are the Volvoists of old, not a group I would like to join)
Pardon . . . . . .
See my sig! :wink:
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The Mk6 does look like an evolution of the Mk4's body rather than the Mk5. It's a Mk5.5 engine in a Mk4.5 body methinks.
It isn't. It is actually an Audi engine. And a Golf 5 floorpan/chassis and bulkhead.
But I'm undecided on the body style. Too much black in the front, similar to Seats, and the red piping is too close.
And why the lack of electric lumbar support? Those manual lumbar levers just arn't able to be fine tuned for the correct effect.
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There's good news and bad news for Gulfstream11 :laugh: :grin:
Can you spot what I mean ? :grin: :grin:
(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_566/car_photo_283440_25.jpg)
Erm - the current Mk5 left hookers have the alloy/rubber dead pedal! :tongue:
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I do miss having leccy memory seats for when the wife drives - unlock the car with my key and it went to my position :cry:
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Nathan,
Any word on colours in general, same pallete as the Scirocco?
What about wheels, will we see 19's as an option?
Dave
Sorry Dave they were VERY tight lipped about the GTI as it's so far from launch. I would imagine more info to come to light next month when the car appears at the Paris motorshow.
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I assume one can toggle on/off the even more silly Adaptive Distance Control system. Hopefully you would like the built-in XDS diff - It's interesting that by its inclusion, VW have acknowledged traction issues on even the standard car.
Exactly, so either set the car up properly or give it a proper mechanical Limited slip diff. All this electro safety stuff drives me nuts :laugh:
As in a Torsen or Quaife? :wink:
....As far as I know, the Mk6 electronic diff is a 'part' of the ESP system - Don't take my words too literally please T_T :afro:
All I know is that my VWR-Quaife mechanical diff is truly amazing!! And I haven't even been shown its limits yet. Possibly a lot more expensive for VW to have included though.
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I'm not touching the Mk6 GTI or GTI-R... I'm going to get myself a nice cheap Mk5 R32 in a couple of months and save enough money to move onto a Porcshe 911 after 12 months before selling that a year later for a Nissan GTR :evil: The Mk6 GTI looks a nice car but just isn't different enough to consider over my Edition 30 (thats staying in the stable permanently)... my wife likes the Mk6 GTIand I might get here one in 2010 when the price has dropped for a 12 month old one and the economic outlook is more certain/positive. Until then, she'll have to make do with driving the Edition 30 around town while I sell her Lupo GTI and get that R32 I've been pining for since part-exing with the Edition 30 18 months ago :cry: :drool:
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I'm not touching the Mk6 GTI or GTI-R... I'm going to get myself a nice cheap Mk5 R32 in a couple of months and save enough money to move onto a Porcshe 911 after 12 months before selling that a year later for a Nissan GTR :evil: The Mk6 GTI looks a nice car but just isn't different enough to consider over my Edition 30 (thats staying in the stable permanently)... my wife likes the Mk6 GTIand I might get here one in 2010 when the price has dropped for a 12 month old one and the economic outlook is more certain/positive. Until then, she'll have to make do with driving the Edition 30 around town while I sell her Lupo GTI and get that R32 I've been pining for since part-exing with the Edition 30 18 months ago :cry: :drool:
ello stranger, nice to see your still visiting!, 2 have both daddy mk5's in your locker mate, im very jelous! :wink:
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Hi Phil... haven't been on here for a while - just too busy with work - but I had to come on and catch up a bit. :nerd:
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I'm not touching the Mk6 GTI or GTI-R... I'm going to get myself a nice cheap Mk5 R32 in a couple of months and save enough money to move onto a Porcshe 911 after 12 months before selling that a year later for a Nissan GTR :evil: The Mk6 GTI looks a nice car but just isn't different enough to consider over my Edition 30 (thats staying in the stable permanently)... my wife likes the Mk6 GTIand I might get here one in 2010 when the price has dropped for a 12 month old one and the economic outlook is more certain/positive. Until then, she'll have to make do with driving the Edition 30 around town while I sell her Lupo GTI and get that R32 I've been pining for since part-exing with the Edition 30 18 months ago :cry: :drool:
Thats exactly what ive been thinking(get r32).There are some good low milage 57 plates on vw site
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I assume one can toggle on/off the even more silly Adaptive Distance Control system. Hopefully you would like the built-in XDS diff - It's interesting that by its inclusion, VW have acknowledged traction issues on even the standard car.
Exactly, so either set the car up properly or give it a proper mechanical Limited slip diff. All this electro safety stuff drives me nuts :laugh:
As in a Torsen or Quaife? :wink:
....As far as I know, the Mk6 electronic diff is a 'part' of the ESP system - Don't take my words too literally please T_T :afro:
Sort of. To be really pedantic, it is actually still part of the gearbox, but is "controlled" by the ESP/ABS system, in the same way that the Mk5 EDL (Electronic Differential Lock) is. It basically works using "pulse width modulation" in exactly the same way as the Haldex controller - in that the "diff" itself can not "sense" the levels of torque (applied torque, wasted torque, and useable torque), like an ATB diff such as Torsen/Quaife/Peloquin can.
All I know is that my VWR-Quaife mechanical diff is truly amazing!! And I haven't even been shown its limits yet. Possibly a lot more expensive for VW to have included though.
But the Quaife is identical to Torsen - and a Torsen diff is used in the rear axles of the Audi R8 and Audi Q7, along with all centre diff applications in longitudinal mount VAG four wheel drive cars (except the Veyron, R8, and Q7). :nerd: :smug: So cost really should not be an issue.
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There's good news and bad news for Gulfstream11 :laugh: :grin:
Can you spot what I mean ? :grin: :grin:
(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_566/car_photo_283440_25.jpg)
Erm - the current Mk5 left hookers have the alloy/rubber dead pedal! :tongue:
Why does the light switch panel poke up into empty space?
That part of the dash looks very badly designed.
Huh - I don't see that? :huh:
In Germany those seats might be regarded as uppercrust classy, but in the UK we know exactly what they are...
Chavtastic.
You do have a way of upseting people with your "off-beat" comments . . . . :rolleyes:
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To be really pedantic, it is actually still part of the gearbox, but is "controlled" by the ESP/ABS system, in the same way that the Mk5 EDL (Electronic Differential Lock) is. It basically works using "pulse width modulation" in exactly the same way as the Haldex controller - in that the "diff" itself can not "sense" the levels of torque (applied torque, wasted torque, and useable torque), like an ATB diff such as Torsen/Quaife/Peloquin can.
But the Quaife is identical to Torsen - and a Torsen diff is used in the rear axles of the Audi R8 and Audi Q7, along with all centre diff applications in longitudinal mount VAG four wheel drive cars (except the Veyron, R8, and Q7). :nerd: :smug: So cost really should not be an issue.
....High quality info - Thanks.
I have posted this info on another forum and credited you with it: http://www.tyresmoke.net/forum/tuning-tuners/112394-vw-racings-quaife-diff.html#post1353403 (http://www.tyresmoke.net/forum/tuning-tuners/112394-vw-racings-quaife-diff.html#post1353403)
So, which would I prefer? - A Haldex-style diff or a Torsen-style diff? - No brainer, the Torsen-style Quaife!
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(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_566/car_photo_283440_25.jpg)
Why does the light switch panel poke up into empty space?
That part of the dash looks very badly designed.
The colour of the trim is that glossy black stuff - hence why it does indeed look like there is a hole by where the light switch cluster comes up. Look at the rest of the dash, and on the door panels to see what I mean about the colour of the trim! :)
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Well it least its slower then its Mk5 last model predessescor, although it has the fancy suspention setup as the Scirroco, but what i do like the look of is the new smarter looking interia. He said that Vw reckon that each panel on the new Mk6 is different to the mk5 but in his opinion, it looks pretty much the same!.
Also confirmed whilst i was there that the R with the v6 engine is "no more" and wont be in the GTi R later in 2009, (around Sept). That will be the 2.0 fsi tuned to 270bhp with the K04 turbo.
He confimed that this image IS of the new GTi coming.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/gti6.jpg)
.........hope these are the alloys they put on for the uk market ?.
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Looks nice but personally if I was buying one I would wait a year and save a loads of money. :smiley:
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(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_566/car_photo_283440_25.jpg)
Why does the light switch panel poke up into empty space?
That part of the dash looks very badly designed.
The colour of the trim is that glossy black stuff - hence why it does indeed look like there is a hole by where the light switch cluster comes up. Look at the rest of the dash, and on the door panels to see what I mean about the colour of the trim! :)
Good point Whitegti, it's glossy black.
Where has the centre diffuser gone? They really have cut costs.
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Having now sat in one... all I have to say is that its a wonderful cabin and defo a step up from the MKV. As for cutting cost???? Well if they have I cant spot them..... where did the cost cutting rumour start from in the first place?? A competitior?? :rolleyes:
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The dealer I spoke to confirmed that it was a cost cutting exercise. They've made them cheaper to build but without a drop in quality. From what I understand the rear suspension is different and less complicated but also less effetive. The GTI however remains with the MKV setup so handles better then the rest of the range.
Nick